The Break-Up Diet - Ellie Dean - “healthy men are NEVER on Love Island”

Episode Date: February 20, 2025

Ever wondered how reality TV shapes our understanding of social dynamics? Join us as we chat with Ellie Dean, the TikTok sensation who's redefining celebrity news with her sharp insights on shows like Love Island. Ellie brings her unique perspective on reality TV, breaking down how these programs offer a lens into human behavior and emotions. We also dive into the trials of dating in London, as Ellie shares her journey of juggling a high-pressure career with the search for genuine connection and peace.Heartbreak becomes a transformative experience as we explore the highs and lows of navigating breakups in the age of social media. Through Ellie’s candid reflections on past relationships, we uncover the emotional aftermath of seeing an ex move on and the importance of therapy in cultivating self-awareness and growth. Discover how letting go of past connections—especially on social platforms—can lead to creative expression and newfound motivation, as Ellie channels her experiences into compelling TikTok content that resonates with many.From dissecting parental influences on romantic choices to playful speculation about Love Island couples, we cover it all. Our conversation takes a thoughtful turn as we discuss the importance of investing in mental health and avoiding the pitfalls of rebound relationships. Finally, we touch on the theatrical antics of Curtis and Ekin, questioning where reality ends and performance begins. Join us for a flavorful discussion that promises a mix of introspection, laughter, and a glimpse into the whirlwind world of modern dating.Send us a textInstagram:@the_breakup_dietTikTok:@thebreakupdietEmail: [e-mail]

Ready? Yes. Well, welcome to the Breakup Diet. This week we have a really exciting guest, Ellie. I'm looking there, right? Yeah, so this is your camera, this is our camera. So we have a really exciting guest, Ellie Dean. Hello, thank you for having me.

Welcome to the Breakup Diet. I'm excited. I'm gonna catch your accents, I think. Yeah, you can start speaking in Ornore. I'm a friend of it. I actually might, you know. Yeah, you can start speaking in Ornore. I'm a friend of it. I actually might, you know. Really, do you do that?

I do that. Yeah, I catch accents so easily. If I go up north to see my friend, like by the time I come down, I'm Northern. Yeah. Yeah. I love that. Would you like to tell us a bit about you

to start off so the listeners know? Yeah. God, where do I start? So I'm Ellie Dean. I'm a full-time TikToker at the moment and I mainly just report on celeb news, but it's usually around reality TV and dating programs. So at the moment I'm focusing a lot on Love Island

because as much as people say they don't like it, they very much do. I love it. Yeah. I'm so invested on reality TV. Like I watch so much. You just need to watch it to forget about your own problems for a bit

and focus on someone else's. Buckle up bitches. This is gonna get bumpy. This is the break up diet. I basically feel better about myself because I'm like, God, that's rough. You know what I mean? It's true. I actually think like people think it's like wasting time. But I think you can actually tell so much about someone's psychology by how they process what's going on a reality TV program and how they actually see things and I actually think it's really interesting psychology wise and you

like pick up things about different people and actually learn what's okay and what's not by what other people are saying so I've never thought about that but that's really interesting no intelligent people watch reality tv because it's a form of digital social anthropology. Yeah, that's what it is. Yeah, you just dropped the humongous word. Okay, it is true. Yeah. I don't even know if I can say it, but I agree. Anthropology, social, digital based anthropology, because you're studying the human behaviour at its purest form. Yeah, it's true. I know it's edited, but you're still getting an idea of what someone's like and placing some sort of judgment on them and conversing with people about how they're

behaving. So I think it's... And to understand other people's emotions. I'm sorry, that's an intelligent person thing. Yeah, it is. It's true. That's actually very true. Yeah. You have a wider perspective on how to react on certain things. Exactly. Or sometimes you can just find someone that you can relate to in these shows. Exactly. That's so true. That's so true. Like, I'm sure watching any pro like when someone's upset about a breakup, or like you see how they react to things and it makes you feel better about how you're reacting

to a certain situation. So yeah, I don't think it's all a waste of time, reality TV. I think you can actually go- It's not a waste of time because men don't like us having fun. That's what it is. That's true, that's true too.

Yeah, what are your favorite reality TV programs? I mean, I watch them all. Like I'm like Love Island, I watched Molly Mays, I watched Go Dating, Celebs Go Dating. Yes. I like that. That doesn't come out that often does it? No, I don't feel like it's on as much. I didn't watch the most recent one because I got quite bored with it, I'm not gonna lie. It wasn't that spicy. Yeah, I get it. I agree. And too hot to handle. But I also feel like that was really, really juicy.

The first couple. Yeah. That first season was the most like innovative television I've ever seen in my life. I have never seen anything that intelligent actually. It's true. That was a while ago though. 2020. That was like

prime COVID binge watch. That's why it came out then. They were like right today, now is the time. It makes sense. Everyone was locked in and horny. That is true. The signs of the time. That is so true. I actually didn't watch

the second season but I heard a lot about it. And at that time I wasn't reporting on like TV then. I was just reporting on my own day in life because I actually had one. Whereas I just don't. Well, let's get back into your dating life. Where are we? Yeah, what are you right now?

Single in every single form and in every single way. And I don't even know how to get myself even slightly out of the singleness. I'm with you. I'm with you. It's scary. Yeah, like I feel like I'm just stuck here. But I'm not mad about it. Like I'm happy. It's peaceful. But at the same time, I would like a little bit of affection. Like it's the compromising peace thing. That's kind of hard. And also we've got such a set routine with our career.

It's true. It's true. How do we let people in? How do we let people in? I don't know. I don't, and London it's- Dating scene is weird. It's hard.

It's boring. Yeah. Like it's not fun. It seems more like a chore. Like, Oh, I have to go on dating apps. And like, I have to go on dates. It's like, it's not, I don't want to say it's not fun, it seems more like a chore, like, oh, I have to go on dating apps and like I have to go on dates. Like it's not, I don't want to say it's not giving, but like it's just not giving.

Yes it is, not giving. Do you think it's harder for you to date now because you're like, you know, you're commenting on people on reality TV and stuff and then you're like, oh my God, men are trash. Or you know what I mean? Or something like this, or you see all these scandals and you're like does that make you more scared? Kind of. I feel like they are gonna, what's not recruit, what's the word?

Pick people. Yeah they're just gonna pick people on TV shows that aren't healthy because the healthy men just aren't that interesting to watch. We don't see the healthy men even if they're on a dating show, you're seeing the ones with the red flags because they bring more drama, and therefore they bring more views. So I'm hoping there's some out there. I just don't know where they are. I don't know where to find them. Also, it's the time. Where is the time to find them? Like with our line of work, it's like film, edit, repeat over and over again. And then you've got to brainstorm. And yeah. You can't be hungover.

I feel like on first dates, you normally get so, well, I would get so wasted. I know that sounds really bad, but like you could do it because you're nervous, you're drinking, and then you forget, and then you have so much fun because goggles, you know? And you're like, after maybe the sixth date, you're like, do I like him? But yeah, we can't be hung over.

I can't be hung over now. That's true. I mean, I actually went, I did like a course on blind dates. So I was set up on like four blind dates. It was quite fun. Oh, you need to explain that. So you what it's a course and you like, it was they reached out to me because I was commenting on my own day in life a lot. So they were like, do you want to try this thing where I actually met like the manager of the company, she asked me loads of questions about me and what I

was after and then yeah, every now and then she'll be like, are you free for a date on this day? And then yeah, I just go and meet some random guy. No success? No. Were they weird? That gave me weird. You went, no.

They were. It's like the sorry, celebs go dating. They're all a bit weird that go on it, but the celebs have to go out with them. Yeah, that's true. It is true. Right? Why are you making such weird people? I don't know. Maybe it's only us weird ones. Yeah. The ones that I went on date, the first guy wasn't bad. He was just a bit bland. And I'm not I'm a bit kooky. So we just weren't clicking. And the second one was a bit

too kooky. And I was like, Oh, you're just a bit too much for me. But it was a nice experience, especially because we're so used to first impressions, physical wise nowadays, it was nice just not to have any of that. And like, she'd give you a breakdown a little bit on who the person was before you go. So yeah, even like in London now, meeting people in person just feels impossible. Like even in a bar, I don't feel like people approach people in bars anymore. People just stare at each other. No I feel like if men did do it now they would stand out from the other ones and they'd probably get laid so much more. Oh yeah.

It's true yeah. You know. Yeah for sure. But they don't do that. Talking about men have you ever had a breakup? Yeah. Oh god my dating life from the age of like 16 to 21. It's just absolutely awful. That was my last breakup when I was 21, 22. So like three, four years ago now. Are you still scarred from it?

Yeah. just like my whole I've just had a lot of issues that didn't resolve properly. So every relationship that I got into was just another bad one. And I wasn't learning from it. So then the last breakup that I had, I just didn't date anyone for a long time. And then I recently found out that he's started seeing my old housemate who was like there when we were together quite a lot. So that kind of kicked me into going into therapy because I kind of realized how bad the relationship actually was and saw it for what it was because I realized that he had lied quite a bit about the things that he was saying. So I started. Did they get together? Do you think when you were like with him?

I suspected that he fancied her and that she might fancy him when we were together. It's always, sorry, but that's always the case. You have the gut feeling like women, you have a feeling. Yeah. And they're like, no, like no way. Yeah. Well, I never said anything. Cause as I said, I was an idiot back then. I never said anything,

but mainly because he would complain about her quite a lot and like, call her boring. That's what they do. They like bad mouth them. Yeah. So and he complained about a lot of other things a lot. And then I was like, Oh, well, that's why because he was lying about that. He was just projecting. So lying about a lot of things. And I was like, Well, I think I'm probably a bit far top from this situation. And I was like, well, I think I'm probably a bit far-tart from this situation. So I was like, let's just stop into therapy and see what's going on with me.

But I've learned so much since getting into therapy. Like I would say, like, I'd recommend it to anyone just to like understand yourself a bit better and like your thought patterns. And being self-aware is so important. It's so important. And so many people just aren't nowadays, I feel. There is no self-awareness or even awareness.

When you had that breakup, was it just like a clean break or how did it go? Did you remain friends? Did you have any closure or? We both wanted to break up. I was doing it because I was really anxious and I felt like I was almost like destroying the relationship because I had a lot of issues but I couldn't I thought it was from my other past relationships. But I now realize it was just actually the relationship that I was in. And he wanted to break up to go on new adventures, which I then

to your friend. New adventures over to the other room in the apartment. Sorry, that's so rough. That's so mean. Yeah, but when he broke up with me, he broke up with me over the phone. And he said some really mean things about me, which I think he can admit now that he was just blatantly horrible to me when he broke up with me. But he was like, oh, let's still be friends. I was like obviously not. Yeah are you crazy? You can't be friends with an ex anyway like doesn't work. No you just can't be friends with an ex like why would you want to be? Yeah also like when you see them with somebody else like I think it'd be so hard to just be like cool even if it's maybe after years and years and years and years, but still not friends.

I think like civil. I also think it's a bit of a touchy one too when you like have a new boyfriend or something or a new partner and then you're friends with your ex. Cause it's like, I don't know, I would find that really. I would not be boyfriend girlfriend with someone who's friends with their ex. Yeah. Hell no.

Absolutely not. Cause you'd be like, I don their ex. Yeah. Hell no. Absolutely not. Because you'd be like, I don't know. No, you've seen them naked. No, just no. Unless you have like a kid together, you should not be talking to that woman. Yeah, exiled. Block, delete, move on. Genuinely.

Pretty much, yeah. What do you do when you have a breakup with like social media? Are you blocking them on everything? Are you deleting old texts? Do you have any like go-to things? I now block them because not in like even a nasty way, like even if it ended amicably, you don't want any reminders that they're alive. Yeah, they're. You just don't want to be know what they're doing. Like you don't want to, you can scroll and then their faces randomly pops up and then you could be thinking about them for three hours

just because of that photo. It's like, why are you doing that to yourself just to like almost feel pride and like make them feel better about the situation too? Like just cut it off for a bit. Like maybe unblock them after six months or a year when you actually are over the situation and you don't want to have some sort of beef with them. I think it would be hard for your exes because you're on social media now you're popping up

everywhere. I was like you popped up on mine so imagine if your ex was on... Yeah I have thought about that but I kind of... That's kind of haha though to be fair. Yeah, I have thought about that, but I've been- That's kind of hard though, to be fair. Yeah, that's that problem. It's not my problem. You're like, sorry. I just can't help it. And actually he said to me that no one cares

about my TikTok when I started off my TikTok, so. They do care. Jokes on him. Yeah, there we go. It motivated me though when we broke up, I was like, I'll show you. That is so nice. That is a nice thing. This podcast was basically formed on a breakup, both different ones. But that's how we kind of started because it gives you that kit to be like, I'm going to be the best, the best I can be.

Yeah, for sure. And I kind of took the opportunity to then start talking about breakups on my TikTok and like breakup stuff on TikTok always does so well. So that's literally how my page started from the breakup. So What would you when you were talking about it so I would just make like funny little snippet stuff and I was so open I look back now and I actually cringe about the things that I posted because I just had absolutely no filter but I don't regret it I can't complain like it's got me here now I don't have to work a nine to five now so living the dream the come up is always cringe that's what it is once you made it who cares so how did you find out about the friend she told me she messaged me on instagram like just letting you know that i'm seeing your ex yeah my ex was it like a long time i didn't want to know like after she told me that i was like i'd rather not know anything about it and I feel like they had been seeing each other for quite a while because

when I saw her last we all met up as a group he had seen my Instagram story like he'd watched it even though he doesn't follow me and I don't check who views my like story a lot but I was like that's weird like oh maybe he just checks it regularly and I just haven't noticed. But now I'm thinking, oh, they're actually seeing, they were seeing each other at the time. If that makes sense. I get you, I get you. Did you have a friendship breakup with her then? Yeah, well when she sent me the message,

I like deaded it then and there. I was like, nah, obviously. Because I admitted like they are more suited than me and my ex were because we were two pretty much completely different people. We were good friends, but we weren't compatible in like an actual relationship. Like, as I said, I'm quite kooky. He's quite basic and boring. And she's also kind of basic and boring. And I can say that because he used to call her basic and boring anyway, so it's like he's realised that he's not... I don't like him, sorry. What a pussy. As if he said that. But that's what they do. They talk such shit about people they actually have crushes on.

Yeah. I don't understand. Like he could have just said nothing. That's why I was suspicious also. I was like why are you like chatting so much shit about her? Like why did she bother you that much? But there were other little things that he used to complain about all the time too. And I was like, oh, it's just one of those things. But then I look back now and I'm like, oh, it's a crush. Yes. Did you have any

pleasure with him he came around to like pick up his stuff and we went for a walk and like had a chat um but I because he said he just wanted to like go on new adventures and I'm like not dumb I was like what are these new adventures then like what can you not do with me? Because I'm not being funny, I'm more fun than you, so. Yeah, fair, fair. So I was like, basically got it out of him that he just wanted to sleep with other women. And his dad cheated on his mom, so he said he didn't want to be his dad.

Fuck off! Yeah, and then after that, obviously, I was like, I'm not gonna be French with you, I just don't wanna associate myself with you at all now, so. We kind of ended it there. I was on a podcast, so I used to do a podcast with work, and we had to send our exes a form to fill in

about reviewing our relationship. No. What would your work? That's so fun. Yeah, maybe you should do that. Yeah, maybe I should have said to my ex-husband. You got ex-husband? Another time.

Yeah, so what form, what work? I don't even remember like what was on the form. Obviously his answers were pretty boring as well and I actually said that to him. But yeah, he was really nice on the form. So at least... What did he say? Well, like, it was like Ray, her personality was like 10 out of 10. And it was just he was just quite nice in it. And I was like, and you had to say from one to 10, how much do you miss them? And he was like, sorry, but I'm not answering that.

Oh. And I was like, okay. But now I'm thinking, oh, maybe he was already dating my housemate then and that's why he didn't wanna. Yeah, maybe, maybe. But why not just like. Say zero then. Yeah, or say I don't wanna fill in the form.

Surely you'd do that. Yeah. His actions just don't make sense. Where is the form? You want this form. I want this form. I can't remember what was on it. I'll have to go find it. Please. I'll have to, because it was a TikTok trend, like back in the day people were like send forms to the exes and see what they'd like reply back. So we did one on the podcast. Yeah. That would be interesting.

What do you actually think of me? Like, actually? Because I feel like the, especially like in a situationship, okay, maybe not even an ex, but be so interesting in a situationship to see their take on you. Because like, obviously, whenever I've been in a situationship,

I've been like obsessed by this man, right? But they're obviously not obsessed by me so what is true? Like I want to know if they care if I'm dead or alive. Do you care if your exes are dead or alive? Kinda. Kinda. Or your ex husband? I'd love to just see them with their receded hairline and with them gaining weight.

That's a big fantasy of mine. That's all they deserve. You're so weird. I don't even know if you said that without blinking. You're like, yeah. Waiting for it to happen. Casting a spell. I mean, it's men. They age like milk. It'll happen tomorrow. It's true. Not all of them. You can't get a silver fox. Yeah.

But they're probably rich if they're a silver fox. Exactly. We need men to do a bit more skincare because they age really quickly from all the misbehaviour. That's true. And the stress. The stress of being a bad person. Yeah. It does age you.

I mean no. You have such a bad view on men. You're like anti-men. We're not anti-men. I mean that's fine. It's fine. Men are anti-women. That's true. Yeah mean, that's fine.

It's fine. It's fine. Men are anti women. That's true. Yeah, they are. They are so anti women. Most of them are, yeah. So from your breakup, what's been your biggest takeaway? As we were saying, like, we just don't need men anymore.

Like a relationship is not fundamental. It's just it should help you grow and like enhance your life, but it shouldn't complete you. And I feel like a lot of people still do that. Like without being in a relationship, they don't feel like they're whole. Whereas now I just don't care. It's just an adding. Yeah, like the salt and pepper. It's just an adding. Yeah, like the salt and pepper. Exactly. Like if it comes in, like they make me happier. And I feel like they make me more confident and I do more things with them and I push myself out of my comfort zone more and they help me achieve my dreams. Cool. But if not, I can do all those things anyway. I don't need you for money. I don't need you for emotional support. Yeah, emotional support. Okay, obviously I want someone for emotional support, it would be nice, but I've now got to a place where I can manage things on my own. Or you're strong enough to manage it on your own. Or just go to therapy like most men should do.

But yeah, that's what I've learned from the breakup. And I guess you choose a relationship based on what you've learned from being a child and your relationship with your parents. And that's what I'm very much learning at the moment whilst in therapy, because I think I'd analyze my relationship with my dad a lot thinking that's where the issues have come from. But you also need to like analyze relationship with your mom. And I actually had never done that. So that's what well, I'm so confused. So do you would you be now picking men that are similar to like your dad when you're in a relationship? Do you mean or what? I thought I was picking men that were similar to my dad and that's where my issues were coming from

but since being in therapy I had never really looked at the negative sides of my relationship with my mum and everyone's going to have negative sides of any like relationship but when it's your parents like they've literally raised you so So those aspects of the relationship, you're going to think are normal and they're comfortable to you. So I, because I hadn't seen negative sides of that relationship with my mom, I was then getting into relationships thinking that those negative aspects were normal because they were comfortable to me. I get it. Does that make sense? Yeah, I get it. I get it. That is so insightful because now I'm going to start analyzing. You should like it's nothing against like my mom, I still love my mom, but it's important to analyze because it affects your relationship with your friends, romantic relationships, how you are at work, like literally. Everything. Yeah.

Gosh, did you only like think of doing that from therapy? Yeah, for sure. She kind of, I went in talking about my dating life and like my past romantic life, and then I kind of went on to friends and then she ended a session with, I really want to talk about your mum. So then I, that week that I had,

I was then thinking about the relationship that I'd had with my mum. And I was like, oh, I'd never seen all these things before. What to do and what not to do, in your opinion, are you going through heartbreak right now? Okay. Don't go off the rails. Good start.

Yeah. Don't immediately get into another relationship. Maybe I was gonna say don't reveal everything online, but I did actually just make a whole income from it. So if it was serious about it, then fair enough. Do it for the bag. then fair enough. Do it for the bag. Yeah basically. Why wouldn't you reveal it online just because of them seeing it or because your emotions change so much? Yeah like the stuff that I was posting two three years ago on my TikTok I was a completely different person then like as you were saying you're quite recently out of a relationship or like a situation six months ago and you're very much anti-men

and so I was in that mentality and I was just posting anything and everything. So when I look back now, I'm like, oh God, I don't think I should have said some of the things that I did but. At the end of the day, I'm not the voice of reason. Like you can have a different opinion to me and that's what I kind of think with the stuff that I'm posting now like it's just my opinion

you can have your own yeah stuff that I would do like journaling um helps a lot talking to friends so like sending like long ass voice notes to your friends I always find that's really helpful um long ass voice notes to your friends. I always find that's really helpful. Just, I actually really like meditating to be honest because I am quite an anxious person in my thoughts, especially after a breakup, you tend to be like over analyzing everything. So finding a way to like just shut your mind off

and kind of resent yourself is really nice. How do you do that? Because if I just close my eyes, I would still have the thoughts, you know, going everywhere. shut your mind off and kind of resend to yourself. It's really nice. How do you do that? Because if I just close my eyes, I would still have the thoughts going everywhere. Yeah, it's- Practice? Yeah, it doesn't come easy.

It takes a good month, I think, of consistent meditating to be able to- Then? Yeah. Do you have an app or something, Lin? Then you listen to the app and it guides you? Yeah, I have come, I think I have. I've heard of that. Yeah. Do you have like an app or something, Lin, then you listen to the app and it guides you? Yeah, I have come, I think I have. I've heard of that. Yeah. And I would say therapy now, because I should have gone to therapy like after my first ever relationship,

to then make me realize what I was doing wrong, because I then spent another four years just making the same mistakes, thinking that this person was better and it was going to be different but I actually hadn't fully fixed myself. I know therapy is expensive, a lot of people say it's expensive but if you go once every two weeks it maybe will cost you like £100 a month and like how much do you spend on alcohol to forget about your problems like let's be real. Like people literally spend a hundred pounds a week, a weekend just to go out and forget about their issues so you can take a little bit back from that to go to therapy twice a week. And that's more impactful you know.

Exactly like long-term and a lot healthier physically and mentally. Yeah and if you're a girl just get the boys to buy you drinks when you're out and drink. So use the money and therapy, get them to buy you the drinks, put in the graft, you walk up to them. If they talk to you. No you, walk up to them. Somehow get them to splash the cash. That's true.

I feel like it would be rude if we didn't ask you about some questions about Love Island. Of course. Who do you think out of the couples right now will be the first ones to break up in your opinion? Oh, who have we got? We've got Casey and Gabby, Elmer and Sammy, Curtis and Ekin. Who else is there? Grace and Luca. They're really attractive together. Yeah they're so hot together. They are. They're both attractive anyway so together. They're stunning. And

the- Oh, Catherine and Omar. We never see them. Yeah, I didn't even answer the question, sorry. I was just about to say like, you haven't answered my question, but you already. I honestly don't know. Okay, I'll ask you a different question that you might know of. Do you think anybody in the villa that you have seen through doing your investigation broke up for it specifically, like broke up to go on.

Like Roddy and Harriet. Yeah, or what was the thing about Curtis, didn't he break up with his girlfriend? Oh, yeah, he did. Did you not see that? Like what she said? Yeah, yeah, yeah. She was like saying all the stuff. So yeah, Curtis apparently broke up with her once to go back on Love Island Games, and like pressured her to do it because they said that it was like for their relationship and gaining money for like their future family or whatever. And then apparently he got approached for Love Island All Stars last year, but she was like done with like faking breakups just so he could go back on TV.

And then because he knew that this time, that's when he actually like completely deaded it off. And then when on Love Island All Stars. That's terrible. Especially when you're like, family. You're adding this false hope that it's for our family. Yeah, that's so mean. Imagine her as well having to watch like him graft even if they did fake break up. Yeah, I know. Exactly. Apparently she says we had psychological like trauma from the situation of having to like hide everything. But like, not surprising if you'd have to watch your boyfriend flirting with other women on TV knowing that you're actually still together. You would be thinking that you wouldn't be getting I would not be I wouldn't be

thinking that we'd be getting back together. I would be thinking like, Oh, my God, he's gonna fall in love and that would be it. Because they do fall in love, don't they? Yeah. I guess you kind of if you're stuck with someone in a house, there is going to be some sort of feelings there. But I guess when you leave and you're actually in the real world, it wouldn't be that hard for those feelings just to go because you're back in your natural environment. And you know, what's his name? Jack? Is it Jack? Jack? Jack and Joanna? Yes. Yes. Have you seen about that? So they actually

confirmed their relationship recently. But he went on Love Island Games in 2023. And they were like, apparently a thing around that time too. And then Joanna went on Love Island All Stars. And then they've been seen in similar places together for like quite a long time, but they've only just officially confirmed the relationship. So it does kind of look like they're both faked to break up or have never actually fully confirmed their relationship, just so they could go back on the shows and God, it's such a rough world actually. It's so calculated. It is. So you don't think anyone's going to break up like you or what would your guess be? I reckon they will. But what who would your first the first one to it be? Sammy and Elmo. I think so, yeah.

See, I would say more like, I don't know who I would say actually. I don't know, yeah, it's hard to tell. I would say Curtis and Echin, but I feel like, like, they both love the drama and they love the theatrics, and I feel like that's why people don't think it's genuine because they're two theatre kids, that's what it is, they're passionate I feel like they do play out for the cameras a lot so that's why people think it's fake but

that's, yeah they're theatre kids, they love it, they love the drama we've learned so much from you, seriously really? yes! thank you so much from you, seriously. Really? Yes! Thank you so much for coming on, honestly. Thank you! I love yapping. I'm gonna do this again when you're back with a Barcelona husband.

Fingers crossed, yeah. I will be coming back in May, back in July, so I'm back at home. Perfect. We've got a hot girl summer date. Yes, that's true. Yes, for's true. Yes, for sure. But thank you for having me.

I've been loved in this lovely little room and it smells lovely. It's nice.