The Break-Up Diet - Girl Boss Era: Beauty, Breakups & Building an Empire with Joëlle Rotsaert

Episode Date: June 11, 2025

Ever wondered what your face needs when your heart is broken? Beauty mogul Joelle Rotsart joins the Breakup Diet podcast to reveal the transformative power of self-care after heartbreak.Joelle takes us on her journey from fashion industry frustration to founding Injectable, a revolutionary aesthetics business built on dignity and innovation. With her plastic surgeon sister, she's created what she calls "the Netflix of injectables" - a subscription model for Botox that's changing the industry. But what truly sets her business apart is the focus on client well-being: complementary LED therapy, makeup stations for post-treatment touch-ups, and an ethical approach that includes turning away clients who aren't in the right headspace for procedures.For those seeking post-breakup rejuvenation, Joelle shares accessible options from facials and microneedling to the increasingly popular "salmon sperm" treatments (polynucleotides) that stimulate collagen production. She cuts through skincare marketing noise with straightforward advice: vitamin C in the morning, retinoids at night, always use SPF, and don't waste money on expensive creams that function like "Nivea in fancy packaging."With refreshing candor, Joelle opens up about her own "filler blindness" years, prioritizing therapy during breakups, and the challenges of dating while building a business empire. Her most powerful insight? The glow-up starts within. "I wasn't in my love era, I was in my girl boss era," she explains, emphasizing that true beauty and successful relationships begin with genuine self-love.Whether you're navigating heartbreak, considering cosmetic treatments, or simply curious about evidence-based skincare, this conversation offers both professional wisdom and personal warmth. Subscribe to the Breakup Diet for more honest conversations about transformation, self-care, and finding beauty in life's challenging moments.Send us a textInstagram:@the_breakup_dietTikTok:@thebreakupdietEmail: [e-mail]

Welcome back to another episode of The Breakup Diet. We've got such a sexy guest. Like I feel starstruck having you here. Welcome to The Diet, Joel Rotsart. Woo! Thank you for having me. Buckle up bitches. This is gonna get bumpy.

This is The Breakup Diet. get bumpy. This is the breakup diet. Well, tell us about you tell us about your multi million dollar business. Oh my god. Okay. So I'll talk about how I started injecting and stuff. Yeah, please. So you want to know because we're trying to make a business grow. So obviously we need someone more entrepreneurial female leaders with us here. Okay. So I started in Jekyll. I mean, I'll go a little bit back into my history. So when I was studying in Amsterdam, I sort of like rolled into the fashion world,

started doing marketing in the fashion world. I hated it. Absolutely hated it. The most bitchy atmosphere, you get paid shit, work, the hours are super long. It just didn't make any sense to me. After transitioning, I obviously had a lot of, you know, comes with a lot of surgical procedures, cosmetic procedures, just even the way of doing skincare correctly, it just made such an impact on my confidence, the way I held myself, it was just transformational. While my sister is also a plastic surgeon, we always talked about maybe one day starting a business together. I was like, let me just explore the aesthetic industry. So then I started first working for a company called Harley Academy, a training platform for aesthetic treatments.

And I actually really enjoyed it. I was actually working with smart people. And then afterwards, I started working for an actual clinic chain. Saw what was going right there, but also saw what was going wrong there, obviously. And that's where my sister and I got the idea of Injectual. First and foremost, it's something very, very dearly to my heart. I find it so interesting. There's always new techniques.

There's always new treatments to discover. There's always new science breakthroughs. I generally have a personal passion for it. Plus we just saw a really good gap in the market, I think, and just get really good injectors in, create a really nice band around it. We offer a really good service. We offer complimentary LED therapy afterwards to minimize bruising, to aid healing after your injectables.

We have a skincare and makeup tester bar where people afterwards can apply some makeup again before going out into the wild. That's very important, to be honest. Because you're so bruised up. Well, but I had it before where I was like, I went to Harley's suite before starting injectable. First and foremost, we treated in like an NHS waiting room, so sterile. Where is my dignity? Treat me with some care. Yeah, exactly.

And also, you pay top dollar and then just your experience is like literally like going to an NHS doctor. Afterwards, you're literally like being shoved outside with like a bleeding lip and if you have to get on the tube, you're like standing there like with your bruised lips, like you just feel so awkward Mine's the bowtog. I get really red really easily just in general So I end up looking like I have like a thousand mosquito bites Exactly All over and you're like

But it's funny after the LED that's completely gone So and then afterwards if you can apply some tinted moisturizer Obviously we have have sterile sponges and stuff, and you still have to be a bit careful, but at least you just feel less traumatized. Most people probably won't go back to work, but a lot of our patients do. It has become that advanced now. Yes. I mean, obviously we also say if you're getting a, there's obviously treatments, if you're

getting a full face, multiple treatments, maybe take the day off. We also have, for instance, like membership. So we, for instance, with the Botox, it's almost like the Netflix of injectables because you just pay your monthly payments towards like your yearly Botox. Oh my gosh. Can you explain that more? I want to know about that. That's so good.

Yeah. So we have a, we call it a Bobo membership and then people can buy monthly payments. So 75 pounds per month, I think it's something like that. They just get their three times a year, their Botox and just you spread out the costs basically monthly payments. That is such a genius concept. Yeah. So there's not, you know, especially two and a half years ago, there wasn't actually, I don't think there was any clinics in the UK doing it. Oh my gosh. You're just trailblazing this industry. Well, we try, honey. We try. Setting the standard time. Shall we dive into

the glow up aspect of Injector? Yes, go for it. Okay. So we're obviously not advocating to like get crazy stuff done after a breakup. Yeah, that should be very clear. Like we want you guys obviously to talk to Joelle because she has massive insights on how to glow up and feel your best and be confident within yourself. Obviously after a breakup, I don't, you know, we always want people to come to injectable in the right state of mind, often why we also turn people away sometimes.

But obviously, if you don't think people need something, we will not do it. We have a big guest intake forum where we talk about and ask about what's going on in your life. Just flag these things. If you've just gone through a traumatic breakup and then all of a sudden you want to change your entire face, yeah, that's red flags. What's like an affordable glow up that you would recommend? Well, I mean, there's obviously like get a really good facial or a really good peel,

you know what I mean? Get some micro-needling. They will obviously make you feel better. They're non-invasive. If you regularly get Botox, obviously after your breakup, if you want to continue that process, they will get your Botox, obviously. Even a small bit of lip filler or the polynucleotides, the salmon sperm on the eyes, that's all sort of treatments that will make you feel more confident, they'll enhance your appearance. For instance, like Profilo or Jalupro and like Salmon's Berm, they're all stimulating your own tissue. So it's like a bit different than filler where, you know, once you inject filler, wherever you inject it, it stays there and sort of like makes things bigger or announces things. Skin

boosters work in a different way because they stimulate literally your own tissue and they make everything a bit more plump and hydrated. Is that what everyone's doing now? Like, especially because celebrities right now. It's all around the salmon sperm. It's all about the salmon sperm honey. Yeah. I mean, also after a breakup, if you've been crying a lot, that area. You miss sperm anyway. I can't get it in my mouth so I might as well put it on my face.

Well, they work in a slightly different way. And like we always say, they're either made from salmon or trout DNA or sperm. Sort of like once injected, they tell your cells to create more collagen and alessian, tell your system to send stem cells to the area. So they just revive everything. Is that something that you have to do like consistently? Like I've not done it, but I've looked into doing the the sound and sperm one. I don't know the actual... Polynucleotides. Yeah, polynucleotides. When I went in like to a skin clinic, they said that they did like micro-needling and then they put it in instead of the injections just under the eyes. Because my, I'm going into my own stuff, but I'm like

mine as well. But I have like acne scarring, like the tiny from obviously years of acne on my cheeks that really annoy me. So they said the best thing to do would do the needling thing. And then they put like a solution over. But it's quite expensive. Just on the solution. And also, and we stopped doing it in clinic as well, is the micro-needling within the polynucleotides on top. Because basically the molecule of the polynucleotides is too big to actually penetrate the skin. So they're much better injected. Obviously, if you want to go hardcore, CO2 lasers will always be the best, I think, for acne scarring. I think I've seen stuff about that.

What does that do, CO2 laser? So CO2 laser is just like a really, really deep laser, you know, and like it literally like takes off like a full layer of skin basically. You peel after, don't you? Yeah. You peel like a mother. Is that the really thick peel? Yeah.

I mean, there's obviously like ways, no, no, that's not that's a feel of bill. That's even... Yeah, I've seen that one. That was hard. That is hardcore as well. Yeah, no, but with the CO2 laser, it literally like creates almost like micro injuries. It's almost like burns the surface of the skin. I'm a bit of a wimp. I'm not gonna lie with all the sort of those sorts of things. I'm like... I mean, I assume tried to also try to know

the cream, right? Yeah, but I just peel so much whenever I use that because I have really sensitive skin that like if I use it even here, then after all my makeup the next like week, just like, I really want to ask you about like skincare and what's correct. What's something easy that people should be doing? Like every day almost like should you be using a vitamin C at night or only in the morning? Yeah, that type of thing. Yeah, but vitamin C Definitely is for instance like one that you should really only do during the day Plus if it's allascorbic acids, you should really do it for instance like on cleanse skin Most people don't notice

But you need to almost let it sink into the skin for 20 20 minutes before actually applying anything on top I mean other ingredients. Yeah, I always swear by retinol retinoids You know any sort of difference between noll and noid Well, it's just strength basically shred is sort of like the purest form of it. The next one is like retinol. It's just like the strength, basically, in order to penetrate the skin. If you're, for instance, starting out, I even say if you want to start out with skincare, I mean, that's also how I got into skincare, was the ordinary. I think they do really simple serums with the simple ingredients,

and they were really Affordable way to get into skincare. I still to this day use some the ordinary products. I think they're really really great I love their foundation back. Did you see how they have? 399 foundation. Well, there we go Yeah, you know, I yeah, we have our own skincare line and you know, for instance, like your eye cream is really good under the concealer. Really good. Okay, great. Are you using that during the day?

Okay, there's a retinol in there. So that's not good. That's probably not good. Yeah. So for instance, with retinoids and all the retinol retinoids, blah, blah, only use those during the night. And then next day, always use an SPF. And then, you know, there's, for instance, hyaluronic acid will always be really good for the skin. You know, it's like a drink of water for the skin.

Peptides are also really great skincare products, whatever your skin needs, right? If you've got a lot of like dry and sort of like just dull skin, something maybe like with a glycolic acid will be better to sort of like take away a layer of that skin. It's hard to say like what is best. I think SPF and retinol will help anybody over 25. I find it really hard with skincare purely because there's so much information there, especially like on Instagram, on TikTok, on everything. And you see like trends, obviously it's like anything you see trends of things. And then it's hard to not be like, do I actually need that? Or am I just getting it because one TikToker said, this is what you should do.

No, exactly. I'm, I'm a big believer in, I really don't believe in the 25 skincare steps. For instance, like I only use skincare ingredients that we, you know, that really do something for my skin. I'll never get a fluffy face oil that maybe feels nice during the night, but I know that there's nothing in there that's beneficial for me. Also, the La Mer's and the La Prairie and stuff, there's nothing in there that justifies- Are they a scam? Don't tell me. Well, they're not a scam if they make you feel gorgeous and glory, but it's just, you're spending a lot of money

for basically like a Nivea cream. There's nothing in there that justifies the price. But also like if you enjoy them for your nighttime routine, don't stop doing it. You know, they're still beneficial if you want to give yourself a gorgeous facial massage and like if they make you feel gorgeous and then keep doing it but just know that you're spending a lot of money for. What about Tatcha? I like their dewy cream.

I don't know their brands well enough. I like their dewy cream. Don't talk shit about Tatcha. Yeah, I know. I'm not ready. No, that one is mine. I also am like if they work for you, when you feel that they're doing something, then keep doing it. Often when you go through a breakup, you feel quite low you, when you feel that they're doing something, then keep doing it.

Often when you go through a breakup, you feel quite low and sad, and you just can, not all the time, but you can lose your confidence. Can you just tell us a bit more about that journey and how you personally felt like you got your confidence? Yeah, exactly. With me, it's quite different because obviously it was part of transitioning, it was hormones and skincare, and then going into the more advanced surgeries. Obviously, if you're going to a breakup, often breakups are quite stressful. Your skin will probably be, you know, suffering

from stress and maybe some hormonal breakouts and you know, from crying. I think a really good place to start is indeed skin and doing like, for instance, like a really good peel. Shedding off all the eggs that might have... Shedding off a good layer of skin. And for instance, like, you know, there are a lot of mental health benefits, for instance, with LED. There's something about the light and the diodes in the light that make you feel better.

And there's been a report that you sleep better at night. It helps with skin or with anti-aging, with breakouts. There's so many benefits from it. Salmon sperm, great if you've been crying a lot, the area will be suffering. So, you know, getting some salmon sperm under the eyes. It's a great treatment. Holy shit, I am so sold. Sorry. Like everything. You have perfect bouncy skin. It could be even more. It could be even more.

The glow up continues. The glow up. Absolutely. Do you think fillers are on its way out? The 7 milf, like the package, the Kylie Jenner package. Do you remember? Cheeks and chins. Exactly. That's, I mean, that's on the way out. The only picture I have of that is, sorry, Molly May, but Molly May's before and after photos. That's wild. I thought that's scary, but it's so easy to

go too far with that sort of stuff, I think, because you don't see it. You don't see it. That's why it's scary. That's what I also said in the beginning. In the UK, sadly, there are more rules around the marketing of injectables than actually who can perform it. You too could literally, if somebody wants to insure you tomorrow after a one-day course, you could legally start injecting people. Well, exactly.

But that's the scary part. I would not trust you. Sorry. I only... So for instance, at Injectable, I only like to work with medics. So anybody that has a medical degree, so nurses, pharmacists, even doctors, surgeons, I think there should be strong regulations around who's doing it. And who should be able to get it as well.

Yeah. And that's why, indeed, in our clinic, we often send people away because we don't think they need it or, you know, or they're not in the right state of mind or they're BDT. Wait, looking at me! Yeah. You're going to have illness whenever she's like going through a crisis. You have to send her away for sure. Yeah. During the consultation process, for instance, you never point out flaws. I really like that comment that you just made with like regarding to making sure

you don't point out because already to go in and like want something done, it's quite like, yeah. And then if someone points out something else, I know for myself, if I had that happen, I would definitely become way more insecure. I would overthink to it. Yeah. Because also, if hopefully they are a professional, then you're like, oh, maybe they're saying something I'm not. Yeah. You know, and they're not my friend. They're not my family. So they're not going to give me this like clouded judgment. They're going to tell me from a stranger and then you would believe it. I think a really good injector or a safe practitioner shouldn't be pointing out flaws that you didn't point out yourself. Yeah. But yeah, some do, but that's just not injectable. No, I think that's really important

and really nice. On to you Joelle, let's get personal. Okay, let's go. Have you ever had any filler faux pas? Have you gone crazy with it ever? Where do we start, honey? Where do we start? I mean, yeah, before starting Injectable, I had major filler blindness at some point. When I was like 21, I think I got the worst filler done ever. If I now look back on pictures, it's just that top lip that just kept growing. Are we allowed to share any photos? Oh, absolutely not. It was this point where I was like, we need to start again. Like you know, it's just like of years of just filler and also just like you have to understand especially also with hormones and obviously growing up, your face changes.

From the age of 20, 20 was when I first probably got my first lip filler until the age of like 30, just always kept, you know, adding more and more and more basically. I think a year and a half ago, it was like a year after I started injectable, I just was like, let's start over. So kind of got rid of everything. And now I think I get like my yearly lip filler, I obviously get my Botox, Now I think I get like my yearly lip filler. I obviously get my Botox. I get a load of skin treatments, obviously, you know, like micro-nibbling of facial and peels and stuff, but that's all sort of like, you know, to do with the surface. And it's working.

Like you look the best you've ever looked. Oh, thank you. Breakups. Breakups. Okay. I'm not the best at sort of like focusing my attention on too many things. I can focus my attention on like work really, really well. And I've been really, I've been doing that for the last two and a half years and like hosting events and parties and

stuff. Cause they're all sort of like all intertwined. Like every party that I go to, I always meet new patients. So I also see it as a PR activity, even though I also just obviously love partying. But yeah, I mean, I have dated, especially when I first started in Jack2wool. I mean, I deal with it just as well or as bad as everybody else, I think. It is always a bit of a confidence boost, especially if you're not the one breaking up. Like I was, for instance, also like broken up with or like being told that he wanted to remain friends. So yeah, I mean, I always start to first and foremost, I actually started to get into therapy. I probably got a bit of a glow up.

A massive glow up. Are you kidding me? Look at you. I often just also start to go out a lot, you know, unfortunately I don't necessarily think it's the healthiest way of dealing with it. But you know, you just want to get your flirt on, right? You just want to get that gratification from a stranger of like, that you still got it. That you still got it. You know, I love a flirt, you know, I love going out and just like flirting with people. I sometimes that's even funner than being in a relationship. It's more fun on sex. I feel flirting is way

more fun on sex. Oh, 100%. And just like doing that dance. Absolutely. The blood is pumping. Like, absolutely. Absolutely. Like I'm good now. I can go home to myself. Have some salmon sperm on the face. That's my dose of sperm I need. Male sperm is obsolete. I like to feel good about myself indeed with doing lots of treatments, LED, looking the best they do, going to lots of the gym, you know, the

revenge body. You're serving revenge also in Korea, like as in not even like you look beautiful, but I'm saying in the whole thing of like being a girl boss and like having a whole business. I mean, to be the successful ex is like... That is the most amazing revenge. Yeah. Well, yeah, like in dating, I really, I find it really attractive to date somebody really ambitious. So I often date somebody that's actually already way more successful.

You want to be inspired in a relationship. I just want to be inspired, for sure. And you want to be motivated. You don't want your ambitions to threaten someone. No, no, no, exactly. One of my first exes was somebody that just didn't inspire me and it just drags you down, I think. So now I only date somebody that, you know, has a really good purpose in life, is ambitious, builds me up that I can learn from.

An overall good person. A good person. Yeah, exactly. Kind. Not so much to ask for. Yeah, kind. Kind. Yeah, exactly. There's enough assholes in the world. It's quite hard to find actually. Where they are. Children burned down so they're not going to be dependable. I don't know if you'd be finding them if you were at your age. Let's go on a hunt.

Yeah, exactly. Well, where? Like I said, for the last two and a half years, I've really been focusing on my business. How do people do it where they focus on birth? Because it's one or the other for me. I have friends like that that can focus their attention on so many things. I can't do it. I know myself, you know, and I like now, for instance, again, I'm on the apps, but I just find it so painfully boring. And this entire dance of like, how are you? Yeah, it's very dry.

How was this weekend? How was your weekend? And I always was spent like five days after the weekend started again and I'm like, Oh God, this is just pointless. So, but I know that, you know, I know I'm not in my love a girl era, love a girl era, you know, exactly. That's inspiring. One of my resolutions for 2025. I really want to take the mental space and make the mental space for dating because it's also fun, you know, going on dates. So fun. It's exhilarating.

Absolutely. But you've got to be in the right mental space for that. You also have to love yourself too. Like, even though, even if you, like, that was something I'm speaking of my personal one, to be honest. Like I would date before that and I, but I didn't really love myself. It sounds so cliche actually, but like, and the moment I didn't even like actively kind of do it. Like I kind of just like over years and stuff and then kind of settled more within myself. And then when I did start dating again, like this wasn't actually

like a conscious thing really. I just did it. and then when I did start dating and I met somebody Then it was like actually worked. It's the first one that worked. I feel like it's because I was Comfortable in myself first. That goes to show the glow up starts here. Yeah. Oh periods. There we go Thank you so much for watching guys. Thank you Joelle for being here. Yeah, thank you so much. Thank you so much for watching. Thank you, Joel for being here. Yeah, thank you so much. Thank you for having me.