The Briefing with Albert Mohler - Monday, April 21, 2025
Episode Date: April 21, 2025This is The Briefing, a daily analysis of news and events from a Christian worldview.Part I (00:13 - 11:50)Are We Approaching a Constitutional Crisis? If So, It’s Been a Long Time in the Making, But... the Potential Collision Between the Executive and Judicial Branches is Dangerous for the U.S.Part II (11:50 - 20:01)Liberalism, Conservatism, and Kilmar Abrego Garcia: The Major Debate on How to Apply Due Process of Law in This CasePart III (20:01 - 25:20)America’s Rebellion, 250 Years Later: The 250-Year Anniversary of the Founding of the American RevolutionHave You Noticed It’s America’s 250th Birthday? by The Wall Street Journal (Allen C. Guelzo)Abraham Lincoln: God’s Providence, Natural Law, Liberal Democracy by Thinking in Public (R. Albert Mohler, Jr. and Allen C. Guelzo)Leadership in Civil War, Treason, and the Burden of History: The Life and Legacy of Robert E. Lee by Thinking in Public (R. Albert Mohler, Jr. and Allen C. Guelzo)Gettysburg in American Memory by Thinking in Public (R. Albert Mohler, Jr. and Allen C. Guelzo)And The War Came: A Conversation About The Civil War by Thinking in Public (R. Albert Mohler, Jr. and Allen C. Guelzo)Sign up to receive The Briefing in your inbox every weekday morning.Follow Dr. Mohler:X | Instagram | Facebook | YouTubeFor more information on The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, go to sbts.edu.For more information on Boyce College, just go to BoyceCollege.com.To write Dr. Mohler or submit a question for The Mailbox, go here.
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It's Monday, April 21st, 2025. I'm Albert Mueller, and this is the briefing, a daily analysis of news and events from a Christian worldview.
Are the executive and judicial branches of the United States government about to run into a massive collision?
That is at least what some people are expecting. It's what others are fearing as you look at an impending set of collisions between the Trump administration and the federal courts.
Now, this is not something entirely new, and it certainly is not unexpected. Because even as President
Trump entered into his second term with a great deal of energy, much of that energy has basically
been directed towards massive change in a demonstration of executive power and a claim of
executive authority that everyone inside and outside of the Trump administration knew would bring
judicial scrutiny. Now, one of the things I pointed out weeks ago on the briefing,
shortly after President Trump entered his second term, is that a part of the administration's strategy,
this term is to try to demonstrate the limits or test the limits of executive authority through
executive actions, executive orders, doge. You just go right down through the agenda of the Trump
administration and dare lawsuits to come, dare other entities to sue. And furthermore,
their strategy seemed to be to flood the federal courts with so many cases simultaneously,
that it would be almost impossible for a lot of this to be adjudicated, at least well into the president's second term.
Now, just as every middle school student knows, or at least should know,
the American government at the federal level is divided into three co-equal branches, at least in theory.
The executive, the legislative, and the judicial.
Constitutionally, it's the legislative that comes first.
And you understand that each of these three branches of government is watching the,
other, engaging the other. The Constitution of the United States gives certain authority and
prerogatives to each, but they have to work together in one way or another. Over the course of
the American experience, you've had expanded powers taken by the federal courts, an outsized role,
now taken by the federal courts when compared to the role of the judicial system and the judicial
branch, going back to the founding era. We are now in a very litigious society, a great deal of
the political instinct, the political energy in this country right now is directed towards
heading to court in order to achieve or to block what you could not achieve or block by legislation.
Going all the way back to the midpoint of the 20th century, but even earlier in a sense,
the federal courts have become a battleground for so many of the most contentious issues of the day.
But we also observe that at least at certain political seasons, the dance isn't equal.
So we have a very energetic president right now, and we have a Congress with both chambers under the same parties' control.
You have a Republican president, you have a Republican majority in the House and in the Senate, but in the House it's a very, very thin majority.
And a lot of the energy right now is not between the president and Congress, but between the president and the judiciary.
And that includes the entirety of the federal judiciary, the district courts, the circuits, the circuits,
the courts of appeal all the way up to the Supreme Court of the United States.
It generally takes some time for a lot of these issues to arrive at the Supreme Court.
But at least on some of these issues, it became clear at the end of last week that the moment of that arrival is coming pretty quickly.
In the most urgent action that comes to our attention on Saturday, just over the weekend,
the Supreme Court of the United States issued a temporary block on efforts by the Trump administration to deport a group of Venezuelan migrants.
the administration charges with being members of a gang or involved in gang activity.
The Supreme Court order said this, quote,
the government is directed not to remove any member of the putative class of detainees from the United States
until further order of this court.
The order released by the court was unsigned, but it also indicated that Justice's Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito,
both conservatives, dissented.
The White House didn't respond immediately, but it's going to have to respond pretty quickly.
And at this point, you have an approaching showdown between the Supreme Court and the White House.
It doesn't have to be that, but it appears that it very well might be that.
Also, just going into the weekend, late on Thursday, Judge Harvey Wilkinson of the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals,
rejected the Trump administration's request to stay a lower court's attempt, as the Wall Street Journal says,
to implement the Supreme Court's guidance in the case of Mr. Obrego-Garcia.
That is Kilmar Amando Obrego-Garcia.
the man that the administration now admits was improperly deported to El Salvador,
but even as the Supreme Court said that the administration should facilitate,
very interesting word, facilitate his return.
The administration has said that they see this as something outside the scope of their possible activity
because he is not currently in U.S. custody.
And they say the administration has no authority to tell El Salvador
that it must release this person to return him to the United States.
So it's a standoff, and it's a standoff.
off right now between the Trump administration and the federal courts. In particular, the Fourth Circuit
Court of Appeals in Virginia, Judge Harvey Wilkinson, of that court joined by two others, issued an
opinion on Thursday, warning the Trump administration that it was in danger of a direct collision
with the judiciary, with the entire judicial branch. Judge Wilkinson said in his opinion,
quote, now the branches come too close, that's the legislative and executive branches, come too close to
grinding irrevocably against one another in a conflict that promises to diminish both.
The judiciary will lose much from the constant intimations of its illegitimacy, to which by dint of
custom and detachment, we can only sparingly reply. The executive, that's the president,
will lose much from a public perception of its lawlessness and all of its attendant contagions,
end quote. Now, some conservative Christians hearing that are going to say, well, there's another
liberal federal judge in action. The problem with that is,
that Judge Harvey Wilkinson is no liberal. He is a long-standing conservative who, at several points,
has been considered a leading candidate for a conservative Republican president to appoint to the
Supreme Court of the United States. That's not going to happen at this point, but Harvey Wilkinson
is a constitutional conservative, and it is, in essence, a conservative warning that he is issuing here.
You'll notice it's not a threat. It is a warning, and it's not just a warning to the executive branch.
It's a warning to the judicial branch as well.
He said that the constitutional system is in danger right now
because the two independent branches of government
are coming, quote, too close to grinding irrevocably against one another.
Anyone ought to say in that sentence in a conflict that promises to diminish both, end quote.
Now, you hear many people on the left warning that we are now in the midst of
or right on the threshold of a constitutional crisis.
I think by any historical measure that's overblown.
But we are entering into dangerous territory here.
And a standoff between the White House and the Supreme Court is something this nation should seek to avoid.
It's something the court and the White House should commonly seek to avoid.
And yet it could become inevitable if these cases arise and eventually the Supreme Court has to rule on them.
Now remember, the current majority on the Supreme Court is conservative.
But let's remember as conservative Christians that there is a wide range that comes under the label
of conservative.
In the main, in the judiciary, conservative means that the more conservative instinct is opposed
to judicial intervention and to, let's just say, creativity when it comes to constitutional
and statutory interpretation.
That creativity is very much a part of the liberal, leftist, progressivist interpretation
of statutory law.
and in particular the Constitution of the United States,
where you had liberal judges and justices saying,
you know, the text is simply to binding.
They inserted what they called the theory of the living constitution.
It's in a process of evolution and development,
of course, at the hands of the judges and justices themselves, it was believed.
The conservative correction on the court that started with President Ronald Reagan,
in particular in the 1980s,
that conservative correction to the court,
replace that idea of a living constitution with some form of what's called textualism,
which is to say the text is the text.
It is a judge's responsibility not to find a way to use the words in the text to make a creative,
liberal argument, but rather for jurists to be constrained by the actual words and grammar of the text.
And so this conservative way of looking at the text was called originalism, strict constructionism,
textualism, but inevitably, over a course of decades, you have different justices, all appointed
by Republicans as conservative justices. You have in that conservative majority different ways
of applying textualism or originalism, depending upon the brand someone wants to use.
And you also have a different disposition towards this kind of behavior in the executive branch.
This is a good warning to Christians who sometimes think if we can just get people on
our team in the right office, everything's going to be resolved. It just doesn't work out that way.
You can't make progress if you don't have people from your own team put into these positions
all three branches of government. But quite frankly, there are divisions even on one team or the other
team when you're looking at the polarization in American politics, the two different parties.
When you look at liberals going on the court, yes, they're liberals. But what kind of liberal are they?
that's a case-by-case basis. Some are more proceduralists, some are more ideological. The same thing
is true on the conservative side. Now, it's less true on the conservative side, simply because
the conservatives are so intent upon the text. But still, when you're looking at a text like
the U.S. Constitution, there are different ways of interpreting the text, all of which claim to one
degree or another to be originalist in terms of the understanding, textualist, or even conservatives.
And so we are looking at a mess right now. If there is a direct confrontation between the Trump administration and the Supreme Court, it is going to be a mess.
Now, looking at many of these issues, I think the Trump administration is right. I think the administration's argument that, for example, district court judges shouldn't have the ability to issue rulings as district court judges that supposedly have a nationwide power or authority.
That doesn't make any sense. A district court judge should not be able, on a coast-to-coast basis,
to bind the executive branch. On the other hand, at some point, you do have a face-off between the
judiciary and the executive. And when that happens, I think Judge Wilkinson is right. It is the American
people and the American constitutional system, which are the losers. All that to say, it's going to be
an interesting week, because almost assuredly there will be further actions in the federal courts,
and, of course, there are going to be further announcements from the White House. And it is also clear
that when it comes to the case of this single individual,
well, just about everyone in the United States seems to have an opinion.
But at this point, let's shift away from the judiciary
and just look at the case and the publicity about the case of Kilmar Obrego-Garcia.
This is the man who was deported to El Salvador.
A United States Senator, Senator Chris Van Hollen Democrat of Maryland,
claimed to be acting on behalf of one of his constituents
and went down to El Salvador in order to demand a meeting
with Kilmar Obrego-Garcia.
He was denied that by the government,
but before he could leave,
the government eventually did set it up,
and it was a staged event.
No question about it.
It was a staged event.
And you asked the question,
who was the big winner of the staged event?
Was it Kilmart-Abrego-Garcia?
That remains to be seen.
It certainly must have been on the mind
of Senator Chris Van Hollen
that he was himself conducting a publicity stunt.
And when he came back,
he certainly was basking in the publicity.
But this is a situation in which you have all kinds of competing interests.
There are constitutional arguments to be made for sure.
And we're going to look at those in just a moment.
But there's also just the reality that when a United States senator inserts himself into this kind of thing,
certainly a senator from the opposing party, it becomes a publicity stunt.
And in this case, I think a dangerous one, at least for this particular senator and for his party,
because that means they just associate their own cause.
with a man, and the Trump administration seems to be absolutely convinced that when the American
people look closely at this individual, they are not going to want him back into the country.
But that then gets to another question. It is the question underlying legal conflict.
It's much of the language that's being used all around us. You have the opinion handed down by
Judge Wilkinson, who said that the key issue is that this man cannot be deported or must not
have been deported without due process of law, that his due process rights have been denied.
Well, what in the world are due process rights? Well, when we talk about certain legal language,
we say it's very old, it's venerable, it's very traditional. How old is the due process language?
It goes back to the Magna Carta Clause 39 in the year 1354. So very early in the English-speaking
tradition of what we will now call constitutional law, you have the phrase due process.
Clause 39 of the Magna Carta is revised in the year 1354 says, quote, no man of what state
or condition he be shall be put out of his lands or tenements nor taken nor disinherited,
nor put to death, without he be brought to answer by due process of law, end quote.
You got to love the old English. By the way, how's this for equivalent list in which you can be
disinherited or put to death in just a matter of proximity of words. You get the point,
however, due process was a new thing when it was asserted in the year 1354. And you have the king
here bound by the Magna Carta, the great charter that says that any individual, regardless of
his state, his status, his class, who is a citizen of Britain, or in this case of England,
he shall have right not to be deprived of his life or property without due process of law.
That's where the phrase comes from.
Due process, the process of law that is owed him.
But what's interesting about that is that in the earlier form of the Magna Carta, in the same clause,
this was issued in 1215, King John of England, promised, quote,
No free man shall be seized or imprisoned, or stripped of his rights or possession,
or outlawed, or exiled, or deprived of his standing in any other way,
nor will we proceed with force against him or send others to do so except by the lawful judgment of his equals by the law of the land.
End quote.
Just imagine how consequential these developments in the law actually were.
You're looking at centuries ago in the English-speaking tradition, this revolution in the law that says that regardless of status or class,
no citizen can be deprived of property or of life.
That includes also bodily imprisonment without due process.
of law. Now, you look at the year 2025. In the United States, the phrase due process of law taken from
the Magna Carta, Clause 39, is still in effect. Not so, by the way, in Britain. For the sake of time,
we'll have to let the British explain the British condition, but in the United States, that
Magna Carta Declaration in Clause 39, due process of law, was taken directly into U.S. constitutional
law, and it is a cherished part of it. And that means that you have to have a process.
a legal process whereby some action can be taken against a citizen.
And that means either in terms of a civil case or a criminal case,
it has to follow the procedure, the process of the law.
It is due to the citizen.
Now, interestingly, of course, when you're looking at Kilmore-Abrigo-Garcia,
he's not a citizen.
But the Supreme Court of the United States has stated that the due process of law
is owed at least to some degree to every person bodily in the territory.
of the United States of America. And so here's the collision. You have the White House saying he's not a citizen,
and you also have the advocates for Kilmart Obrigo Garcia and his family who are saying,
it doesn't matter whether he was a citizen or not. In this case, he deserves the due process of law.
Now, here you have a liberal conservative conflict, and it's not being addressed directly in the national media.
I think it's a good thing that we do so here. The liberal argument is that you should have the most expansive
definition of the due process of law imaginable. Basically, the authorities never get to take any action
because the due process just grinds on and on and on and on. And that is, to a considerable extent,
the liberal or progressivist strategy. Just keep things in the courts forever. And when it comes to
Kilmar-Abrego-Garcia, that is exactly what has taken place. He is a textbook example. No one denies
that he entered the country illegally. But over the course of different
judicial turns and court actions and legal arguments. This has just been in the courts all this time.
The conservative argument is not against due process of law. It is twofold. Number one,
citizens have more due process rights than non-citizens. That category of citizenship is very
important, constitutionally, legally, and morally. The second thing is, due process is not
indefinite. Due process should be a finite set of legal processes and legal determinations
that should end in some kind of approximate justice in the short term, not just in infinity.
I think it's important from a Christian perspective to say the due process of law is a part of
recognizing what we owe each other just as human beings and especially as citizens of the same
country. And so I'm speaking of citizenship here. Citizenship means a compact and a part of the
citizenship compact in this country is that we owe each other certain considerations and we have
equal standing in the courts. When it comes to persons in the United States who are not citizens,
I think most Americans think there ought to be a distinction. It's not that those who are not
citizens should have no due process rights. I don't know anyone is basically arguing that.
The issue is how do you define those due process rights as you look at the current situation in which,
honestly, the federal government has shown itself to be completely inept at dealing with persons
who are in this country illegally. I think there is another way of putting this just succinctly,
and that is, I think, on the left, they want process, due process of law, whereas on the other
side, on the conservative side, we like the words do and law. That is the law and the judgment
that is due. Some process, yes, but not an infinite grinding of the
process at the delay of any ultimate action. But finally for today, here we are on Monday, April
the 21st, 2025. We need to look back two days ago, 250 years ago. On Saturday, the United States
marked the 250th anniversary of the battles of Lexington and Concord that began what we know is the
war for independence, commonly known as the Revolutionary War. That isn't the war, as we think of,
declared in formal terms, but it was the beginning of the war as we know it in the struggle for
American independence. Those patriots who began the fight against the British Empire and British
forces for American independence, by the way, it's debatable, the extent to which they knew
exactly what they were doing or what would be the final outcome. Nonetheless, those battles are now
in American historical imagination, the very beginnings of the war for independence. Lexington and
Concord, two of the most famous place names in the United States, because of
of these very famous battles. Now, to call them battles also indicates that these are big military
actions, but of course they really weren't that. They were more skirmishes, but they were skirmishes
that on the battlefield of history turned out to be of enormous importance. So Saturday was a
semi-quincennial that is the 250th anniversary of those battles. And did you know that the federal
government has at work right now a semi-quincennial commission that was created by Congress back in
2016 to commemorate and to plan commemorations of the nation's independence, and especially all this
is focused mostly on what will take place on July the 4th of the year 2026, which will be for the
nation when the Declaration of Independence is recognized, it will be the 250th anniversary or the
semi-quincennial of the United States of America. Happy birthday, USA, 250 years. But right now,
250 years since it all began. Alan C. Gelsso, I think one of the most important historians of the American
experience. He's currently distinguished research scholar at Princeton University. I've done several
thinking and public programs with him. He points to the American Revolution and says, quote,
there was a revolution, and the commanding reason why we should pay attention to it is that it represented a
fundamental break in the way human politics and societies in the West thought of themselves. He went on,
quote, for centuries stretching back to classical.
times, peoples and nations were constructed as hierarchies. God in heaven, kings on earth,
nobility beneath kings and commoners beneath them all. Power and authority flowed downward.
Obligation and unity flowed upward. But then Professor Gelzo writes, quote, the 18th century
enlightenment offered a different notion of political life. Kings and nobles, they were merely
accidental creations at moments of necessity. Real political authority began with the commoners,
and if kings and nobles failed to satisfy the common people's needs, the commoners were justified in
heaving them aside and inventing a more satisfying form of government.
End quote.
Two incredibly powerful paragraphs from Alan Gilzo in a piece that he ran in the weekend edition
of the Wall Street Journal.
Professor Gelzo also points out that the success of the American Revolution, quote,
set off a mounting tide of resistance to hierarchy in France, in Latin America, across Europe,
and eventually around the world.
Then he says this, quote, unlike most revolutions, this one didn't lapse into dictatorship.
end quote. That's a very important point. One we're going to need to ponder as we think about our observation
of the semi-quincentennial. And that is, what was it about the American Revolution that led more to
a Reformation than a revolution, and to order liberty rather than chaos? In contrast,
just consider the revolutionary trajectory of France. It's not enough to look at America's founding
documents and say that's where it starts, because we as Christians understand there is a world
underneath those documents, and we're going to need to look there very, very closely.
And what we will see in weeks and months ahead is that, indeed, it was the Christian worldview
that had so much influence on the formation of the American character, the understanding of
the American Revolution, and the shape of our constitutional system. As you look across a span of
world history, just think about beginning in the Old Testament, just think about that, the American
experience now of us approaching 250 years, that makes America still a very young nation.
But as we close today, consider this. The U.S. Constitution is the world's longest operating
constitutional document in human history. No small achievement. But as the headlines we've even
had to deal with today remind us, it is an achievement we have to reachieve every generation.
The word for the day is semi-quincennial, and you'll get extra credit if you can spell it or use it
in a sentence. Thanks for listening to The Briefing. For more information, go to my website at
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