The Charlie Kirk Show - America's French Future? + AMA 280

Episode Date: October 2, 2026

A new wave of student riots are bringing France to its knees, as the children of migrants torch their schools. Blake explains how these riots — heavily immigrant, pushed by the far left — represent a huge threat to America, and a warning of our potential future. Jonathan Keeperman then talks about the Indian immigration question and more broadly how to fix the "winning too much" problem on the right. Then there is a great AMA hour with subscribers, with Danny joining to answer questions on data centers, Charlie's favorite places in Arizona, how Charlie organized his day, and more. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com!    Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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still blowing up. There's now a special prosecutor has been appointed by Governor Kathy Hokel, and it's Leticia James, our old friend who's done a ton of lawfare against the Trump administration. She's now injecting herself into that story. Endless discussion about that. But we hit that yesterday on thought crime, and we hit it on yesterday's show. Another interesting story, the New York Times has reporting on AI, specifically that Anthropic had all of these meetings with religious leaders. They talked to the Pope. They were talking to rabbis, other theologians, trying to convince them that Claude, their AI, was a moral agent that actually had some consciousness that basically it's a person in some ways. And it's worth looking that up. I don't think we'll

have time to talk about it today much. But one, the Pope, Pope, Pope Poulillo, is apparently not hearing it, and he got Anthropics leaders very annoyed that he would not concede on that point. Another thing is a rabbi told Anthropic, okay, well, if Claude is conscious, if Claude's real, then you're basically the worst slave owners in human history because you're creating all of these slaves for everybody and you can destroy them whenever you want, and you should stop doing that. And they also got very angry about that. You guys should look that up. But what I think is actually most important to talk about today because it touches on what we were discussing with Rich Barris on Wednesday and what we led the show with yesterday. There's a lot of drama going on in the nation of France right now.

Massive riots. Rioting is something of a French pastime. They do it at the drop of a hat. But this is actually a pretty severe case of it. And it evokes one of the most dramatic years in French and American history, 1968. That was a year of mass. student uprisings in France. It was very similar to, we had our own wave of riots in 68, also very similar to Floyd

Palozo, launching lots of left-wing agitation that then shifted the entire country to the left. Well, now it's happening again in France. We have students, heavily high school students in France, they're blockading their schools, they're setting their schools on fire. they are setting in firefighter trucks on fire. They are setting some of the firefighters themselves on fire, it seems. Lots of wanton destruction all coming from the nation's high school students,

who you will not be surprised here, are the most diverse cohort in French history. We want to get some of these clips because they're very jarring. They're all over X if you want to see them again or find additional ones. And it's not just happening in Paris. It's all over the country. Here, for example, is one of their high schools on fire in the city. of Nol. Clip four. That school on fire there is the Nelson Mandela High School. It's apparently

one of the, it's built heavily of wood. It's very eco-friendly, and that means it's also very flammable, and so they set it a fire. But it's going on all over the country. If you want a good vibe, here's another clip. This is the city of Bordeaux, a regional capital, and you can hear screeches in the background, and if you're able to see this, you see fires all across the city. clip three. So I think you could see at least two, three fires, totally different sections of the city. You hear the blasts of cops firing off maybe tear gas rounds, all sorts of stuff, just the screeching in the background. Very apocalyptic, it's like a zombie film or something. And it's, again, that it's happening all over this country.

I want to get a few more of them. So, for example, it's not just that they'll destroy things. They're engaging in very barbaric actions towards individual people. This one went viral. It's someone, a woman got in the face of one of the protesters. So he sprays a fire, a flamethrower, a homemade flamethrower, in her face. Clip eight. Well, that's his shit.

So if you saw that there, woman's in his face. He pulls out one of those little handheld flame throwers, however they make them, blasts her right in the face. And no one really rushes into the woman's defense. A few people scream. But that's about all that happens. And there's other forms of wanton barbarism. I wanted to flag this one.

This was highlighted by someone. This is at the La Marcarre High School. All French pronunciation is wrong or your money back. Where people, they've toppled a piano that is in the school, and someone starts stomping on it while an observer screams, please, no, not the piano. That is clip six, I believe. So what's going on here?

What's going on? This isn't happening? It's not just the Paris crowd. This is happening in Marseille. It's happening in Orleans. Nantes, Bordeaux, all these historic cities of France that you could read about if you read a history of the Middle Ages, histories of the French Revolution. But now today, these are cities that have been heavily transformed by migration. And the paper-thin justification for what's been

going on here is that the students are mad that their schools are, wait for it, you've heard this before, underfunded, and they also say that their school days are too long. It's like a twist on the old restaurant joke that they need more money for school and they need less school. They're mad about both of those things. And so as a result, they want more money for their schools. So they're setting firefighter trucks on fire. They are dowsing petrol on, or gasoline. They're dowsing gasoline on city workers and on fire crews and on teachers in some cases. And this is also what gets at it. They have political allies in the French establishment. This is in the Parisian suburb, another historic one, of

Sandinie, and the crowd of rioters is joined by one of their politicians, and that is the mayor, Bally Bagayoko, son of Malian African immigrants, and he celebrates with rioters as they destroy his city.

Clip two. Party! Party! Party! Party! Money! Money! Money! Money!

Money! Money! Money! Money! Money! And so, for those who can't see it, it's as there's wreckage all around, there is active fires burning, and this guy, this middle-aged man in a suit, is dancing while people chant, I believe they were chanting his name, Bally. Why am I going on about France? Because, as you might guess, it is not just France. This is a political mode of operation that is being exported or really imported into every single. single country in the West.

It's coming in, it's, right now it's flaring up in France. Tomorrow it might flare up in Britain, Germany, Spain, Canada. And as all of you know, it's flared up like this in the United States. In 2020, we saw so many things like this. We saw our politicians come out and get on their knees next to people in deference to people who mere minutes before had been torching their cities, looting their cities, looting their rioting with a paper-thin ideological justification. And the fact that this is happening in France right now

should be our reminder that this can easily, at almost the moment's notice, return to America if we have the wrong leaders in charge. We got a few emails from some of our viewers. One of you, Steve, points out, import the third world, and that's what you get. That is exactly right. But it's not merely, this is not merely chaos.

That's what I want to get at with this, that this is not just some thin excuse and then people rioting. This is happening, it seems, with a political purpose. So it's been reported in the newspaper that the French government, they're having emergency meetings about this under President Emmanuel Macron. And according to these reports, the government believes that these riots are being directly and deliberately stoked by a major French political party, the LFI, that is La France insomis. I don't know if I said that right, but it basically means France unbowed. It is a far-left party, and they have a presidential election in France next year, and they're one of the contenders that could win. We have, obviously, we like the National Front, one of the conservative parties that's against immigration, but France has a very strong,

far-left wing that also is campaigning hard and could win. And the leader of this party, this is all very believable because the leader of this party, the guy who will probably be running in next year's election, Jean-Luc Melanchon, I don't know if I say these right, he's an interesting figure. He's the kind of person who is a good warning for what we could have in America very soon if democratic socialism continues to become the dominant ideology of the Democrat Party in America. Because this guy is, he would call himself a Democratic socialist. what that means for Melanchon. He's proposed a 100% income tax for incomes over 360,000 euros. That's about 450,000 US dollars, 100% income tax, illegal to earn more than that, effectively. He's proposed a 100% inheritance tax on any fortune over 12 million euros. Basically, abolition of large fortunes, you might say, just 100% inheritance tax on it. But this is the most interesting one. And it's his approach to his attitude towards immigration, towards France's basic identity.

Melanchone has said explicitly that he supports a policy of, quote, Creolization of France. That is, mass immigration and the deliberate blending, merging of all nationalities, ethnic groups, races, religions, until there is no historical character to France. In fact, in 2024, Melanchon said this. This is a direct quote. Those who call themselves French by origin pose a serious problem for the cohesion of society. That is, if you are an actual French person, not merely a citizen of France, but a person whose ancestors fought in the Great War, whose ancestors maybe fought at Agincourt in the 100 years war, fought against the English, if your ancestors fought in the Crusades, you're that level of French, you are a threat. to society. You are a threat to cohesion. You are a problem. You are, you might say, the enemy. And now this guy, his party, seems to be in alliance with people who are rioting across the country,

burning schools down, looting shops. We didn't even play that clip, but they're looting sports stores, of course, as a side effect. Setting everything on fire, bringing this mode of violence, making sweeping demands for various left-wing things. He believes in weaponizing the interest in violence of far-left antifa types and migrant populations in order to get a far-left agenda that includes 100% income tax, mass leveling of society, and the obliteration of the French national character as it has existed for more than a thousand years. That is what this politician believes in. And this is a threat that, of course, is surging all across the West.

A few things that got my attention this morning. if you want an insane stat from our neighbor to the north in Canada. As of the beginning of 2025, roughly one in every 16 people in Canada had arrived in Canada within the past three years. In three years, one in every 16 people was an immigrant to Canada. And of course, they had a lot of immigration before then, and they've continued to have immigration since then.

And Prime Minister Mark Carney says he plans to actually increase immigration again in the future. And there's another stat that. It's coming out of Spain that in Spain, they did their mass amnesty for millions of illegal immigrants. And it turns out since 2018, Spain has added about five and a half immigrants for every home they have built. And now today, the government has froze rents. So they're basically going to deliberately mess up their nation's economy, which they created this crisis by importing a huge number of new people to replace existing Spaniards. We are seeing all across the west the deliberate fusion of, left-wing economic policies, left-wing social policies, left-wing-wing-everything policies,

with this breakneck rate of mass migration. They see the end goal right in their sights. They see the final, let's say it, the final termination of Western civilization and the apotheosis of this globalized, democratic, diverse socialism. They see that opportunity. and they're basically only failing to make progress in one country. And I think you know what that one country is. It is right now in the United States of America

due to the policies of this administration. That meanwhile, here, we have the border fully closed off. We've seen Antifa elements are actually getting arrested and thrown in prison when they try to do this low-scale terrorism that they're getting away with in France. We're seeing record numbers of arrests by ICE. We're seeing them get deported. The Supreme Court, the Supreme Court just upheld sending the illegal immigrants to third countries

if their home country is being difficult to take them back. You can send them to a third country. The Supreme Court just said, it's fine to do that, at least until we hear the case, which will be next year. One of those radical immigration lawyer says it's a devastating decision. It's hugely damaging to their cause. So, we've talked a lot over the last couple days about the problem of winning too much that because we've won so hard on immigration, we've won so hard on the trans issue, we're winning so much on crime, that voters aren't thinking about it. They're not thinking

about what could return overnight if the left has power again. And we're seeing the signals from every other country from France, from Canada, from Spain, from Britain. The left has not changed its stripes. In fact, they are more radical than ever, and they are very happy to make political alliance with youthful Antifa, heavily third world imported agitators to transform your country. So one way we can try to make sure people are aware of the stakes, we need to be highlighting these things, we need to be talking about them, we need to send the message, you are one election away from your entire world being swept away by the people who want to destroy it. If you think wireless companies are all the same, you might need to take a look at our friends

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because it came out and you're like, oh, we have this super, this guy who's like a hot college professor, all of his students talk about how hot he is. and he's super smart and great. And man, I don't know that any doxine has been dumb. Don't forget college athlete, okay? Don't leave that out of the equation. That's an important part of the bio. No, you know, we're going through a transition phase here.

So, you know, we're all out there. It's great to be here again. I'm missing Andrew. So Andrew, wherever you are, I hope you're having a good time. Yeah, we all hope that. We all hope that. Now, we wanted to have you on. We always want to have you on, actually.

But the specific justification, you have your show with Chris Ruf, another friend of us. And you guys were discussing this big debate that happened after the Beau-French tweets, the infamous one, about the football game, heavily Indian student section. And you guys had an episode in the last few days on, as you call it, the Indian question, which is Indian immigration. It's clearly upset a lot of people, yet at the same time, it doesn't hit all of the usual things that we talk about with immigration. And we got this email as it happens just a few minutes ago from one of our viewers, Priscilla.

and I thought this would be a good way to kick it off. She says, our kids moved to the Dallas area five years ago, fleeing California. They bought a house, they joined a church, they planned to stay forever, but in the past few years,

as the H-1B visa program became more pronounced, they noticed that in their neighborhood, there were a very large number of Indians, also a very large number of Muslims. They talk about going to their local target in, she thinks, the Plano area, and not hearing a single person speak English and now they're starting to feel they might need to move out of Texas.

So you talked about this the other day. What is the phenomenon that we're capturing here? It's not that they fear crime exactly. It's not that they hear some of the usual stuff we worry about with immigration, but they feel very alienated in one of their own cities. Well, I think this is why Indians in particular are such a unique case and why people are having sort of trouble, having a meaningful and sober conversation about this, because Indians don't, like you said, have a sort of typical story that we assign to other groups that are experiencing

mass immigration. They get good jobs. They contribute to the economy. Their crime rate is close to zero, although, you know, with, of course, some exceptions. They seem interested in American culture. They are what's called well-integrated or acculturated, which is different than assimilation. That's a separate category of concerns that we can talk about. So they're doing all the right things, Indian Americans who are coming here. They're doing all the things we expect from immigrant groups. Nonetheless, their numbers are really high and have risen dramatically in a super short period of time. And when I say they're really high, as a relative to the relative, measure of the total population, it's low. Okay, there's something like one and a half percent of the total

population. About five million Americans identify as Indian, but here's the thing. Three point two million of those are foreign born and well over half have come here since 2010. So this is a dramatic change in how people who are Americans and who have lived here for a long time, and might have moved to Dallas, let's say 15 years ago, are suddenly looking around and going, wait a minute, something dramatic has changed. They're noticing that, and they're reacting to it in a variety of different ways. Some of those reactions are pathological and harmful, and we don't want to encourage that. Other of these reactions are totally normal and legitimate and should be taken into consideration when we're making policy around this and considering people's choices about the

world and what they want it to look like. So there's a lot of sort of complicated parts here. And I think it's important that, firstly, we don't run away from this conversation. It can't be that just because it's delicate and just because it might upset people's sensibilities that we therefore aren't allowed to talk about it. That's how these problems actually get worse. That's how they get exacerbated. We have to treat this like adults and confront it head on. So we're confronting it head on. As we said, it's tough. They, they, actually do they compete well in school they do follow the law you're not really likely to get mugged by an indian immigrant uh and so and it also seems like i'll be frank it does seem like

some of the reaction to high levels of indian immigration online it's almost like i'll be frank it's like people finally found something where they can be a little nat they feel they can get away with being nastier than they've historically been able to with other immigrant groups and i think that's turning a lot of people off. So if this is a delegate topic and we can't run away from it, how should we be telling people what lines should we be using? How should you talk about Indian immigration in a way that's not going to just make a bunch of people angry, make a bunch of people offended, and make us lose, turn off normal people who don't want to be haters? Yeah, I mean, you know, look, I don't have the magic wand. I can't tell people sort of rhetorically

what they ought to do. I think people just ought to be mindful. They ought to firstly understand the I think a lot of people just refuse to acknowledge what's true versus what's not true, understanding the true scope of it. And I think it's important, too, that people understand also both Indian Americans who are sensitive to this conversation, as well as, you know, non-Indian Americans who are suddenly looking around going, this new thing is happening that I don't understand and that I feel uncomfortable with. Okay, what is actually happening? One piece of this, again, that's unique about Indians that's not true, for example, for the mass of Mexican immigrants who are here. So if you're looking just at the demographic data, Mexican as a country of origin is the largest immigrant group. Indians are second. But Indians, unlike Mexican Americans, by and large, I'm talking about group levels.

I'm not talking about individuals, of course, are occupying parts of the economy that are highly visible, that are highly conspicuous. They are managers at big companies. They are CEOs. They are more and more gaining ground in terms of political, social, and cultural influence. So it's something that people see a lot of, and that makes it something that they then have to integrate into their understanding of the world. Okay. And so I think fortunately, the solution to this problem is actually really straightforward and one that everybody should be able to get behind, including Indian immigrants who are here, which is we need to turn off the immigration spigot. Okay, that's really all that cashes out from this conversation. We are at a point in which foreign-born population in the United

States, it's at the highest it has ever been. There's a slight caveat there, which it was at the highest it's ever been at the beginning of the Trump administration of this second term. It's gone down since then. But this current picture of immigration, the highest foreign-born population that's ever been. We've been through five decades of unprecedented mass immigration that in scale puts to shame the Ellis Island wave that came before it and immigration waves that came before it. In our history, what we've done as a response to these massive immigration waves is very simple.

Turn it off and let the people who are here do this thing called assimilation in which the social boundaries around these groups just become absorbed into the mainstream population. That's all that needs to happen here so that everybody can get acclimated in some ways to this new experience. And people who are here who don't want to go through what will be a sort of long and difficult process of assimilation, they go back to where they come from. That's fine. That's the equilibrium we need to get to. This all simply redounds to a simple solution of turning off the immigration spig.

I think that's exactly right. We talk about that because the previous high that we reached before was peak of the tail end of the Ellis Island era that we've all heard about. We got about to the same percentage right around the end of World War I. And then the reaction of our politicians was there was a big nativist backlash to this. We largely turned it off. And that's the period where we turned that off. it did not destroy America. It kind of unleashed the greatest period of American history.

That's the era where we win World War II. It's the era where we land a man on the moon. It's the era where I would note we actually went through, we got rid of Jim Crow. We went through the civil rights process. We can debate that went too far, but we got rid of the bad stuff as well, that we kind of created this unified people that was not completely obsessed with all these different subnational divisions because people used to complain a lot more about Italian Americans, Irish Americans, Jewish Americans, Poles, Eastern Europeans. And we digested all of that and we created a new thriving country.

So I think you're exactly right. The main thing we do is just pivot back to whatever traumas and difficulties we're having. Just turn it off. Turn off the spigot. Let us digest this. One of the best things that's happened in this administration is we actually, in fact, have largely done that. that the number of H1Bs, however much people complain about them, is down a lot. The number of new student visas, down a lot.

Obviously, illegal arrivals, way down. And people are getting deported. They're getting sent away, and some people are just voluntarily leaving as well. And this gets at something we've talked about the last couple of days that is a big issue with our party, which is when you look at the polls, if you look at the midterm polling, people just say, what are your top issues? And they just say immigration is not an issue for them anymore. It's sub 10% or so. People just don't think it's a big deal. They now say, oh, we just care about cost of living, the economy.

They might care about Iran, other stuff. But they just say immigration, the border, it's not what they think about. And it's the same for the LGBT stuff, the trans issue. That was a big deal in 2024. Crime. Crimes that record lows and that there's no gratitude for that. There's only just, oh, not an issue anymore. do you feel that we actually are confronting this problem on the right of call it winning too much, as Trump would say, or you might call it, we're suffering from success, that we are able to solve problems that we run on and then lose elections because of it.

And if that is a problem, how on earth do we solve it? Yeah, I mean, look, Trump did warn us we were going to get tired of winning, and it's very well may be the case that we're in the fatigue stage. But at the same time, I don't want to sort of engage in too much, as we call cope. I think there are reasons that the GOP might be sort of struggling in midterm elections. I don't know that they will necessarily, but it's possible that isn't necessarily a direct, you know, cause from the fact that a lot of these problems are being solved. It is true that people have short memories. And it's sort of paradoxically the case that when people are, are sort of in chaotic situations, once they remove themselves from that chaotic situation,

they sort of forget the pain and difficulty of being in that chaotic situation. And now there's a new normal that they're used to. And I think that's kind of what's happening here. And I think the messaging around this ought to lean into this fact. Okay. The GOP ought to tell the voters, look, we succeeded. This becomes an argument of. about legitimacy and competency and durable governance. We solve problems. We've solved this problem. We're solving.

We don't have permanent victories in politics. We don't want to forget that. There's an ongoing question of maintenance. We've got to continue solving these old problems. We've solved the transgender problem. And what that means is what other problems might arise in the future, we can solve those two. We have a track record of solving problems. And what you don't want to do is ignore or downgrade the fact that voters have moved on to other problems. Let's say things like affordability. We ought to acknowledge that and say, look, we solve these problems. We are now putting our attention on these new problems that people are articulating and we're going to solve those two. You also, I think, got to remind people that there's a time scale. to this. Problems don't just get

solved in an instant and we got to set expectations so that voters don't expect their lives to change just with one stroke of the pen. These are things that take a while. They take a term. They take multiple terms. And I think that is probably the way that the GOP needs to pivot on some of these questions.

All right. So like looking ahead, I guess let's say you're cutting the last GOP ad of the midterms, would you be, would you actually confront the affordability thing or would you just try to go its morning in America,

wins on all of these things? How would you cut the final midterm ad if you are Ken Paxton and Texas going against Tala Rica? I'm saying that we have lived through multiple decades of failed governance.

Both the liberals and the GOP of old, failed to solve essential problems facing the American people going back essentially to the beginning of the century. And we are going one by one addressing these problems in order. I'm reminded right now of the of of course when Butler right before Trump was shot at, what was he doing? He was pointing at a graph of the immigration numbers, I believe, if I have that right and showing what was done in terms of immigration. I think you demonstrate what was done, what accomplishments have been made, especially on these key questions, things like crime, things like immigration, things like

these social and cultural, you know, DEI measures, these anti-white policies that had become institutionalized over the course of the last few liberal regimes. And then you move on, here's what we're going to be tackling next. Here's what we're working on right now, things like affordability. So I think you can do both at the same time. I don't think you have have to pick. The other piece of this is that you have to remind voters what the alternative is. And you have to say, look, even if there is some displeasure you have with this administration, if you're on the right, and you have some idea about what the perfect second Trump administration could have been in some perfect ideal world, that's not the right comparison to make.

The right comparison to make is what is Trump doing right now versus what would have a Kamala Harris presidency have looked like. More open borders. Even more runaway mass immigration. Even more runaway anti-white policies up and down the democratic institutions and establishment. Transgender kids. Yeah.

Transgender kids, all of that stuff. That's the reality we're running from. That's the alternative that we are running from. Amen. Amen. We've got about a minute left. John, you're so hard to book. because you are a busy man who's always accomplishing a lot of things.

So one minute, talk about what you're up to these days with passage, with your show with Rufo, whatever you want to talk. Talk your book, man. Thanks, thanks. Yes. So, you know, I have this publishing company, passage press, passage press. We have a number of great titles that have come out this year. I'm looking at a couple of them here.

This is super villains by the great Pichi Kienin about all these, you know, maniacs on the left. we have the great Scott Greer's White Pill right here, which is a tremendous sort of biography, a sort of almost oral biography of what's gone on over the last couple of decades on the right to get us to the position we're in and reasons to be optimistic about the way we're going. So I encourage everybody to please pick up these books. Go to our website, passage.compress. We have a bunch of stuff. We have great historical books.

We have novels. And then also I just want to. sort of encourage people to listen to our show, Rufo and Lomas, on the Blaze. And beyond that, you know, it's fall season out here in Montana. I'm doing a lot of fly fishing, which is really the most important thing. Excellent. Well, check them out. And we can't wait to have you on again, Jonathan. By the end of the year, more than 60,000 babies will have been saved by preborn centers just this year, 60,000 babies. And for every baby who's saved, there's a a mom who's saved from a lifetime of pain and regret. Take a stand for life by providing an ultrasound

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out there, I encourage diversity of thought. We are critics of diversity when presented by the left, but we love diversity when it comes from our own subscribers. With that out of the way, let's dive into the first question. I believe it is. Ellie, all right. We have it written here. So, Ellie asks, with all of the data centers popping up and the AI craze, how would you sell AI to someone who's worried about the effects in terms of pollution on the environment, losing water, various neighborhoods increasing their water bills for middle class families and also the wealth disadvantages from all of those data centers or health sorry misread that health disadvantages from the data centers running consistently that's a really interesting question and it's i have to say

it's not a question i ever expected to be a defining feature of american politics did you no like i saw that movie did you see that movie eddington last year no it was a very strange movie uh walkeen Phoenix. I don't watch many movies. But what's weird about it is it had a subplot of it is they're trying to build this data center in a New Mexico town. And I was like not aware that data centers were this huge thing until I saw it. And then suddenly in 2026, you see it's almost an 80-20 issue that people don't want

data centers built in their communities. And what's fascinating about it is it is driven by a hugely diverse array. Some people, they don't like AI. They say AI could kill us all. it's going to take away our jobs. But that's not usually what they'll tell pollsters. They'll say it uses a bunch of water. People I talk to say the water use,

sure, if you're in Arizona, that might be a relevant thing. But if you're by the Great Lakes, that's not really a defining thing. They'll talk about the environment. They'll talk about noise. And I guess I've seen specific anecdotes, but for the most part, like, what's funny is people would love to have a steel plant built in their town. And those are vastly louder and more economic.

economically or more environmentally disruptive than a data center. So I feel like the opposition is getting at something deeper, and that's what makes it difficult to sell people on this. That I don't think it's really the environmental cause that is on a deep level, making even conservatives wary of data centers. I think it's that on a mental level, people intuit that there's something very scary about the AI era that's approaching us, and they're pushing back against it. Because you were told me about this article, Danny.

Apparently, you can just try to bribe people and they'll turn it down. We have 146. This town in Pennsylvania is being offered $10,000 to every single resident if a data center is built and they're still pushing back on it. $10,000 is a lot to say no to. Yeah, if you're looking at the breakdown of that, I don't understand why these people would be against that, especially for a small town and how much it would bring in to their town, why they'd still be against it over health concerns that are really, kind of iffy at that. I feel like there's real, it's just like a psychosis right now against data centers. I don't really understand why.

I mean, I don't want to just, I don't want to say it's people being crazy. I think there's something real about it. But comparatively to other things, it doesn't really make sense in the grand. And especially economically what it can bring to your area. Yeah. And this is why President Trump, he's been, we talked about this yesterday, that President Trump, even as a lot of people on the right and the left, they're starting to posture against data centers. They're saying they're going to pause builds. They're going, they're basically

responding to this populist anger against it. And what's funny is President Trump, who is certainly a populist leader, he is not, he's one of his strengths, I would say, is that he has always marched to his own beat. And he is very pro-AI. He says, we need to win this race, that if we lose it, China will overtake us, they will become the stronger country. And that certainly, I think, is part of the pitch you have to make that this is a process where, it's important that the U.S. remain the number one country. And if this is part of the U.S. being the number one country, we've got to find a way to make it work. There's another article I would encourage people to check out.

I know it's the New York Times, but it's a writer I've been wanting to have on this show. He is a conservative guy. He's written actually some nice stuff about Charlie after last year's tragedy. His name's Tanner Greer, and he wrote an article, why Americans hate data centers. And he argues that past technological revolutions, if you were going to build a railroad. Railroads were the big thing in the 1800s. The boon of having a railroad built through your town was so immediate and obvious that now trains could show up in your town. You could effectively get to the East Coast in one day instead of traveling by wagon and it takes a month.

You could get all the manufactured goods from out east delivered to your town. Suddenly it's like you can live like you're a townsperson in the middle. It was basically like Amazon getting rolled out, but in the 1800s. But AI today, if you build a data center, does that? change your life in your town? It doesn't at all. It's producing benefits for mainly tech elites who live off in the Bay Area.

And I think if you're going to get people to overcome that... Well, your town economy does grow, though, massively. Like, we've seen all these stories... At least while you're building it. While you're building it. Yeah, while you're building it. Yeah. But nevertheless, I think it's, I think you really need to, I think people who support AI, they need to find a way to articulate why your town

getting plugged into the AI revolution is not even just going to be a one-off benefit, like, oh, $10,000. It's got to be an enduring benefit. I wonder if these people would feel differently if instead of $10,000, it was, we will pay for your town's property taxes, like, indefinitely. Or we will give you guys some $500 AI dividend every three months indefinitely. Something that makes people feel, oh, this is something that's not just making everyone in Silicon Valley really rich. It's making our country rich. that's where I would have to think about things

or that's where I would try to urge them to go and there's also President Trump's idea which is we just need to rename it something new super intelligence I think he's getting at something true though which is that AI and data center even data center is a dumb name I like I saw a Kermu

another friend of the show he was saying we should call them super computers supercomputers sound awesome you want to build the most powerful supercomputer in your town but a data center that sounds a center of data he's trying to rebrand it so that people can eventually come around on it.

I don't know. It's not going to work, I don't think, but it is a pretty funny, interesting idea. I think it's a very interesting thing. And if you guys have any thoughts about it, definitely send us emails. We'll see if there are some good ideas on how do you win people over on AI? Or if you are an AI skeptic, I know a lot of you are, is there something that would make you change your mind? Or are you saying absolutely not, no matter what? But if you're also a blue collar worker and a builder, I can't see how you'd be against Those are some of the people who, like electricians, there's huge demand. If you are an apprentice electrician, building all of these is a gigantic bonanza.

One of the biggest bonanzas we've ever seen for blue collar workers. But if you're a white collar worker, one, you're not working on building them and you're worried they might automate away your job. So I very much understand what drives these concerns. And I think you really need to think seriously about what will sell people on this because I don't think just making funny images to post an X is going to be enough. even though the images are really funny. That was a great question from L.A. We can't wait to get into the rest of them over the rest of this hour. Ask us literally anything.

And we got a few emails. I want to mention Adam. He said, I'm a skeptic, but if they really want to build a data center in town, they should give residents an ownership stake with dividends in the parent company, like getting paid in stock. I think that would actually be a very good way. I think in general, one of the most conservatizing phenomena you can have in society. is to give people ownership stakes in things.

And I think everyone gets some stock in our big AI companies is a great way to make people think these aren't distant tech companies. These are American companies that we have a stake in the success of. I think that's a very good way to pitch that to people. Like, yeah, get your stock. You can sell it if you want, but you can just keep it and maybe make it some sort of dividend stock if they're making a profit. it. We also have someone says, I'm not crazy about data centers. I watched eminent domain used to

take homes and farms away. I think I would agree on that. You don't want to be using eminent domain. I don't think to take land to build a private entity. You can incentivize it in other ways. And of course, I think power plants, maybe we want more power plants. I think it would make sense maybe eminent domain for those. But you got to be very careful about like, oh, we're taking your home to give it to a giant tech company. I have to say the only politician I really, seen give out a full plan on data centers is the Vec in Ohio. Oh, yeah? This is the full,

the only politician that's done like a full list. He tweeted out if anybody wants to go read about it. It's actually a pretty good in-depth analysis on his plan. And yeah, he's basically the only conservative politician that's really, or someone running candidate-wise, it's really touched on it whatsoever. Tiki pointed out that her husband is a mechanical engineer

and they were building data centers in the 2000s. I think one of the myths is that they are a new thing. You said there's one right by the office here. Yeah, there's one, there's one a few blocks away. It's not a huge one. They're building these gigantic ones now because they need more computing power because AI is so computing intensive. But this is not a new thing. We've had data centers as long as we've had the internet, as long as we've had connected computers. And so it's worth pointing that out. But I like a lot of these different ideas. But we spend a long time on this topic. I want to dive into our next question. Is it from Abby, unmute yourself. And what's your question? Am I good? You hear me? Yep, we hear you. Awesome. Okay. So I have an interesting question. Did you guys notice how the gambling and betting market and apps have suddenly changed their lingo? I don't know if you've seen their recent ads. Can you elaborate on this? What are they doing? So their ads now say trade instead of betting or gambling. So it's trade with your friends. And I even saw an ad as I was working out that said, it sounds ridiculous.

If you think the meteorologists are wrong, trade on it. So they're gambling and betting on the weather. I just think it's ridiculous. It's very interesting why they do that. And part of it might be public branding, but I'd have to check. But I think there's probably at least some sort of, there might be a regulatory aspect to this. Do you remember what app it was? I believe it was Calci and Polymarket.

I got two different ones. A big thing about them is one of the justifications, because we effectively have legal nationwide sports betting right now, which it used to be regulated on a state-by-state basis. And a justification for this is that these sites, they're not gambling. It's not a normal gambling. It's that, as you say, it's your trading event futures contracts, that this is about prediction markets. And they'll even do this with sports or the weather.

You have this prediction market on what these things will be. You can do a prediction market on who will win the Super Bowl and things like that. And I think it's a mix of that they want to set a certain regulatory framework, to make sure they don't get hammered because the federal government could mess up their business overnight if they felt like it. But I think you are getting at something else.

I think people are realizing these things have massively exploded in popularity. A lot of them are very addictive. A lot of young people, I'll be frank, are blowing a lot of money on these things. Do you have friends who've done this, Danny? Yeah, I have buddies that will literally blow

$500 on a football game. And over and over? Yeah, I mean, yeah, over and over until they eventually win and it gives them that high and then they'll do it all over again. And it worries me a lot in that. It's an endless cycle. Because gambling addiction is a real problem

and can absolutely destroy lives in very upsetting ways. And when you muddle the lines, I think the thing about prediction markets is a lot of people, we fancy ourselves being good at seeing the future scene. And with sports, I think people have internalized the idea

that sports is pretty hard to guess what's going to happen that Vegas is really good at setting their lines. Some people still get very addicted to it. But like politics, everyone feels like they're a deeply insightful political pundit who can see things that the expert analysts in DC can't see. And I worry that that's going to suck in a lot of people. They're going to get addicted and they're going to lose a lot of money on these things. And that's on top of the fact, some of these white sites, some of the explicit sports gambling ones especially, they'll just straight up ban you if you're too good at it. Yeah, so there's an interesting thing with Kalshi and Polly Market.

There's like a 15 second delay. So what was happening was they would, you can bet on the, like in baseball, you can bet on the next pitch will be a striker of all. So there were guys that were going to games and just being on a phone call with their buddies. One would be at home ready to bet. And they would trade before like the live TV broadcast. So yeah, in person would be like ball and he'd say, okay, it was a ball. And they'd have 15 seconds to bet ball or strike before the actual market kept up.

Yeah. And they were making a couple hundred thousand. $1,000 until they eventually got banned from all of them. There is a market for this. And so Kalshi and Polymark are different because those are technically, like, they claim it's like a stock because you buy it shares instead of like in on sports books. You're buying based on odds. The odds on these are like 30 cents a share or 40 cents a share. If it happens, you get paid out a dollar.

you make profit that's 70 cents or whatever it is. So that's why they use the term trade for that. So that's a really interesting question, Abby, because I like, this is something that divides it. A lot of people really love their sports betting. They like prediction markets. And I am concerned in the long run, there's going to be, there's already a bit of a backlash.

I think we'll see more of it because America, we've generally tamped down on gambling and restricted it. And we very suddenly made it really easy. to bet a lot of money. And even if most people can control it, there's a lot of people who can get badly addicted to this stuff and it can wreck your life as bad or

worse than alcoholism, heroin use. There's dangerous stuff out there. And so I'm glad you asked about that. It's something we need to be thinking about. We actually got an email question from Lucas, Danny, who actually does want to know what my favorite World War II

plane is because I threw it out there. And the answer is, I actually know the answer to top of my head. It is the Grumman F6F Hellcat. It is a carrier-based fighter aircraft we did in World War II because we were not doing so great early in World War II. And then we discovered a crash landed Japanese Zero and they incorporated some of the findings on the zero to make our own better version of it. And then we turned the tide in the Pacific and we shot down all the Japanese planes and won the war. And it was the one I flew all the time when I would play Microsoft combat flight simulator on my computer back in the year 2002,

which is about when you were born probably? That was the exact year I was born. All righty. Well, that's what I was doing back then. So that's my favorite. Do you have a favorite? No, I couldn't tell you a single play. You never had a World War II phase?

Oh, I studied different parts of World War II. Oh, you got to have a favorite World War II plane. You have to have a favorite World War II playing day. Yeah. All right. I'll look into it. I talk about jobs and industries on this show all the time, but I didn't expect to find an information.

entire skills trade community on TikTok, plumbers, electrician, builders, and contractors sharing the work they do every day. And it went way beyond tips and tricks. People were sharing their craft, connecting with local contractors and talking about how they were building their businesses and growing their teams. It opened my eyes to how people in the trades are using TikTok to share their skills, make connections, and find new opportunities. I remember thinking, this is exactly what we need more of, people sharing what they know and creating opportunities for others. And I never expected to find a community like this, that's the thing about TikTok. You start with something you know, and suddenly you're finding a whole new side of it that

surprises you and leaves you wanting to know more. Your next discovery is waiting for you on TikTok. Learn more at TikTok.com slash discover more. We just got a great email saying from Abby who said, I think it was the same Abby, you asked the question, and she says, Caboos, thank you for the fun music picks during the break, to which Caboose messaged me. He said, I'm just a button pusher. there's another way of saying that.

Caboos, he pushes people's buttons. He does. He's a big, he is a big, he pushes people's buttons all the time, sets people off, and he picks great music. All right, who's our next question? We have Mary. All right, Mary, unmute yourself. What's your question?

Hi, I'm just wondering what were some of Charlie's favorite places to visit in Arizona. I'm actually coming out next week for Commit 100. Oh, God bless you. All right, well, some of his favorite stuff to do in, you might know this better than me, Dan, but I remember him talking, one of his life-changing experiences was he went to the Grand Canyon. And Grand Canyon, I went there again recently with a friend from another country.

Absolutely tremendous thing to see it is it is awe-inspiring. It really warps your perspective because of how big it is. But Charlie specifically, what he did is he talked about he did the actual hike down to the bottom. And he either hiked along the bottom or took a boat trip down. and he says the bottom of the Grand Canyon is that really blows your mind when you're at the bottom of it. I still need to do that myself. Yeah, I've not done that either. He also loves Sedona.

That's another spot. Anywhere in nature, he loved hiking and just going on walks in nature. Sedona, I went there for the first time also, only very briefly. And that is another great one. There's some good hikes you can do. But also, if you drive into it from the north, so go to the Grand Canyon and then on your way back, there is an Oak Creek Canyon you drive through. and that I had no idea that was there.

I just knew there was this narrow driving path into Sedona. It's like basically driving along the side of the Grand Canyon or something. And then with way more trees. So really fascinating. I knew he loved that. Yeah. Just outdoors. Yeah.

Nature outdoors. He likes the, did he have any fear of creepy crawlies or was he pro creepy crawley? All those lizards we have. I don't think he had a big fear of them, no. Not that I heard. All righty. But yeah.

So I hope that helps. And God bless you for coming out for Commit 100. We love it when people step up and answer the call. So God bless you, Mary. Thank you so much for that. And next we've got Anthony. Anthony, unmute yourself. And what's your question?

Hey, guys. Can you hear me? Yes, we can. Dany, I have a question for you just real quick before I get to mine. How's your baseball team doing? Oh. We had a lot of injuries this year. They'll be back next to you.

You had the MVP at least. We did have the MVP, so I can't say that my best player is better than your entire team, but that's okay. Okay. All right, all right, I'll give you that one. At least you're not a Dodger fan like Andrew. Yeah, indeed. Yes. So, all right, so here's my question, guys, because I'm on a local campaign in my town for supervisor,

and we're noticing something that we're seeing in federal campaigns. Republicans, for some reason, don't want to come out to vote. The GOP has horrible communications, and the big answer that everybody complains, about is something that's temporary, gas prices. How do we fix this in messaging at all levels? I don't think you can basically, I know we've talked about how gas prices are hopefully transient. They'll hopefully get better, but I don't think you can really give people a cope answer like that. I think the best thing you can do is send a strong message that you recognize. It is a problem. It really matters to people. Here are our ideas to fix it. And Andrew talked about,

call Congress back, do a temporary freeze on gas taxes, on diesel taxes to fight that way. I think another thing you could do, make a big deal out of the fact that we could expand our refining capacity. When I talked to a friend of mine who's really knowledgeable about the energy sector, he says, we would have more diesel and cheaper diesel if we had another big fat refinery in the U.S. That we haven't built a big refinery since the 70s. And they've gotten more efficient. We've expanded those individual refineries. But you could get more if you just built a whole new refinery, maybe in a new location,

so that maybe closer to where we might get oil from Canada, get it from newly developed stuff in North Dakota, whatever. If you build a new refinery, you have expanded capacity, you can get it out there more cheaply. And I think if you made a big show out of, oh, here's our push to build this and that will permanently lower gas prices, that would be something. And I don't think keep telling people, give us more time, we'll fix it, is never going to work. because we've also been told that this war would last a month, then two months. We don't know when this is going to end. So to say, oh, this is only temporary,

just give us time, trust us on this. That's not ever going to work. Don't make promises you can't keep, for one. And so always show that you recognize the problem and you're fighting to solve it. Show that you care, focus on the wins. And, yeah, I think that's the strongest way to go about it. So then why do the GOP have a hard time doing that in their message?

The GOP is a lot of people in politics, they mess things up. They need a lot of guidance. And that's why this is one reason Charlie was so valuable. He had a lot of those good instincts. You'd be surprised how high people can rise in politics with sort of bad instincts about how to go about things. And that's why we have to keep fighting to make things better. You have to overcome a lot of obstacles. And we do our best.

But what you absolutely cannot do, definitely don't patronize them. Don't anyone. who has ever suggested, oh, well, could you just drive less? It doesn't matter if it's true that you could drive less. Don't do that. Don't do that. It only makes people angry, even if it's true. Just don't do that.

Say, we recognize your problem. We feel your pain. We are fighting to fix it. That is, and here are X, Y, Z specific things we're doing to do to fix it. That's what you got to do. And we talked about this on the show the other day, that if the GOP would actually just start putting stuff up for vote, that would be massive. And just make the Democrats vote against us.

B and D.C., voting on things. Actually work. No one is impressed that you're off. campaigning in your district. So that's my thought on it. They did something like that the other night. The insider trading thing and all the Democrats voted against it. Keep doing it. Exactly. The best campaigning you can do is to actually work. Yeah. Especially with how it's looking in some states and deliver wins. That's what you want to be doing. Thank you for that question, Anthony. Let's get to Susan next. Susan, unmute yourself. And what are your, what's your question? Hi guys. Can you hear me?

Yes, we can. Okay, good. Thanks for carrying on Charlie's show. You and, uh, Blake, Andrew, are doing a great job. And I love the clips of Charlie because his wisdom is still so relevant. My question is, I don't do apps. Is there any way I can help chase the ballots on my computer? Oh. If you go to tpaction.com, you can download an app on your computer. And you can be texting voters and emailing voters from your computer as well.

Okay. All right. That's what I've done that in the past. Yeah. They've appified even full computers, which is something that annoys me a little bit, I must say. I wish we just had Windows XP from 2002. Because you have like some weird old computer instead of just like a normal like. Oh, a Mac?

I'm not going to Mac. I am never giving it into the Mac mania. But yes, so that's good to know. You can get the app equivalent on your computer. So I'll do that. I want to help that I'm not getting an app on my phone. My phone's too old. That's fine.

I have one other question. how can I find like a TPP FACE TPSA Faith Church? Well this is great so if you go to TPUSAFaFa com slash map and then another slash if you just search

Turning Point Faith Church map in Google or whatever you'll find it and there actually is a map of every church that is affiliated or at least I don't know maybe there's some new ones that aren't on it yet but I'm looking at this map you can see them all over the country, all 50 states.

Do you, if you're comfortable, where, what state are you in? I'm in Ohio. Okay. Oh, wow. There are a lot of these in Ohio, zooming in more. I can see there's a lot of them. We've got some in Cleveland, Columbus, Dayton. It's not in literally every part.

So if you're in Worcester, Ohio, less luck. Okay, good. No, okay, I'm not far from that either. Cleveland. So both are good. All right. Well, I really appreciate it. And I will go on to that website and look for a church and way to help online on my computer. Yeah. And if you're in Ohio, we need all the help we can get right now. We're trying to keep that state red. Keep the progress going. Keep, keep JD Vance's homeland, J.D. Vance land. So thank you so much. And God bless you. Okay. Thank you so much. Bye-bye. Of course. All right. So I think we have. Elizabeth next. So Elizabeth, unmute yourself, and what's your question? Yes, hi. Thank you so much for taking my call.

I know that I've been seeing a lot of things in different spheres about, like, the base isn't super motivated because of, like, Iran and gas prices. But I was wondering, like, in terms of the senatorial candidates, like, if they pledged to vote John Thune out of leadership, would that be something that would help motivate to bring the base out? And also, they've been really doing a phenomenal job with the fraud abuse and, like, clawing back all of this money and funding all this Medicare and Medicaid fraud. And, like, you know how they have, like, a debt clock with how much debt we're in? Why don't they have a money clock with how much money we're clawing back and saving from all this fraud that we've discovered? I do like that idea. You want some way of visually representing the amount of fraud they're able to discover or the amount of waste they're able to dial back. It's, I mean, just on USAID alone, that that was tens of billions of dollars were being funneled towards all sorts of bizarre causes outside of the country.

They dialed that back when they're able to, they've discovered routinely these multi-million dollar schemes and they add up to a lot of money overall. On the Thune question, do you have any, do you have any gut feeling on that, Danny? The problem is, doesn't him, or doesn't he and his group also control funding for a lot of these races? kind of the problem. A lot of them. You can't go after him fully because his leadership and the Senate majority there allocate a lot of money to these races, so these candidates really can't afford to fully go after him. That's part of it.

It's a frustrating process. And on top of that, I think something that also goes into it is you're going into an election where your opponent is the Democrats. It feels difficult to say you'll improve your prospects by turning your phone. fire on your own side. Yeah. And if you want examples of that, there are some Republicans who decide I'm going to turn my fire on President Trump to try to keep myself in office. The other problem is a lot of voters don't actually see that the Senate has been at fault for a lot of issues by just not working. Instead, all the blame on some issues has just gone straight to President Trump. So then calling out

Thune, the voters already don't see that fully. They don't really blame him for a lot of stuff. they blame Trump because he's obviously the head of the party and all that. So going after him really doesn't do what we wanted to do at this time. And I think also just going after your own side, especially in election cycle, is never really a good idea. If we wanted to do that, we probably should have done that a long time ago. Never put him in this position to begin with. But yeah, at this point, this close to the election, I don't think that would help us all. Yeah, and I say that as someone, we've been very frustrated with Senator Thune.

We got strung along about the Save Act all year. Look, if you guys aren't able to pass it, just say you're not able to pass it. We got a lot of maneuvering, and that's really frustrating. You don't blame people for being disappointed. I think, Elizabeth, I think your idea of highlighting money saved from waste is a good one. Got to be touting wins, because whatever your frustrations about Iran or specific issues, we have a ton to be proud of, absolutely a ton to be proud of on the biggest promises we made in 2024. And I think if you've got to close the deal in these last few weeks, you want to be high.

highlighting those the most. And we got some emails talking about that refinery question of all things. We brought up with oil. And someone pointed out, Gavin Newsom has actually closed down two refineries in his state. Overall, this is an interesting. The number of refineries has fallen. They had 23 oil refineries in California in 2000. And it was 14 at the beginning of 2024. And it looks like it's going to continue falling. And you can debate. Some of them are older. You might need to modernize. them, but there is 100% a fact. It is just a true fact that Democrats on an

emotional level, they don't like oil, they don't like fossil fuels, they don't like refineries, they want to push everyone down refineries, they want to not build new power plants, they don't like fracking, they don't like oil extraction, they don't want drilling. If we're talking about gas prices, that should be a big part of our message

is when Democrats pretend to care about gas prices, they are pretending. They want policies that will permanently make them make gas way more expensive. And they'll trot out for this election cycle and just go, oh, Trump, he made your gas more expensive. That's so bad. No, they don't, they basically don't like having a fuel-based economy. And you want to be putting out bills, putting out statements, creating political fights that highlight this fact. So that is why you got to be going out, building refineries, pushing to build more, really drive home that

conflict. And they've admitted before that they want everybody to move away from gas too. But then they also don't like, they don't like nuclear power. They don't like building new power plants. So I think you really want to drive home that conflict. We want to get to our last few questions here. I believe our next is Papa Dave. What is your question? Unmute yourself.

Hi, Blake. Nice to see you and Danny there in front of the camera. Yeah, Danny's great. I hear all your stuff about the Mike Flag, which I don't normally watch online. I hear you on the podcast. Is Danny sitting in Andrew's seat? I'm in Andrew's seat right now because it's kind of the primary camera. So if there's only one guy and then he's in my usual seat.

And I have the bigger one. He has the bigger one that I have now gotten thanks to Caboosa's help. I was going to say it looks like Danny's mic flag is bigger than yours. It is. It is. But it's normally my mic flag. I'm proud of you for, you know, sacrificing like. that that's really great. Anyway, so my

question is about in the election, I'm a chase the vote kind of guy. I'm out here getting ready to go canvassing for the Andy Biggs campaign and we have a voter guide that we hand out that has Zootie Jasser as the recommended candidate for CD4. And I happen to know, I've heard of, I don't know, Zootie Jasser, personally. I don't

know that much about him. I've heard him on the Seth Leipson show way back when I moved here in 2016, so I know he's been around for a long time. But after you guys had on the Islam apostate guy who is actually converted to Christianity, you know, that's a difference than somebody who says he wants to reform

Islam, but is still a Muslim. That's like a conflict of logic in my mind. Well, I would say it's a I think obviously we think we think Rydvan is the ideal. We want we want everyone to convert to Christianity because we think it's a great and true faith. And certainly Charlie talked about that. But ultimately we also like do want we want to acknowledge when we talk about the danger of Islam. We're talking about Islam writ large as a major phenomenon that it has these ideological tenets that generally make it hostile to the West.

That mean when you make your country more Muslim, it's a problem. problem. But at the same time, not all individual people who call themselves Muslims are a problem. Not all of them are created equal. And Charlie himself recognized that. So we actually, our team went and they got a clip and I just think it's useful to remind people that Zudy Jasser is someone that Charlie himself personally knew. It was Charlie's doctor. Yeah, he was Charlie's doctor. And even when Charlie was sounding the alarm about Islam, as he often did, he would often have that caveat of, I know specifically Dr. Jasser and consider him a friend. And we had him on the show. I want to show this clip.

Clip nine. One of the reasons, Zudia, I wanted to have you on is obviously help out your candidacy. I'm all in any way I can help. Thank you. And I've known you for a long time. You're a patriot. You're so honest and humble and ethical. But also, a lot of people have questions about Islam.

And you are a faithful Muslim. But you approach it in a way where you believe that Islam needs a reformation. And so, Dave, as you say, that there is a difference between, reform Islam and leave Islam. But I think we can also agree, yeah, if Islam were to significantly reform itself and its core ideological commitments to be more moderate, to be more pro-West, to leave behind those aspects of it that create recurring conflict with the West, that would be a good thing. And more to the point, it is frankly just better to have a patriotic, ethical, pro-American person who calls himself a Muslim,

then an anti-American, open borders, wreck the West Democrat. And I think that's the most important thing to emphasize. Okay, so I understand that, all right? But as a biblical Christian, the difference between, when we reformed Christianity,

the way we did that is we went back to the book and where we were not obeying the book, we complied, and that's how we reformed Christianity. How do you reform Islam? you go back to the book because that's a that's a luge lose i'm not sure i what i do know one of the things a lot of is iidhi fundamentalism is kind of hadith fundamentalism that's the supposed statements of the prophet muhammad and that's where a lot of the stuff about jihad about holy war about

conflict with christians and jews comes from so i know there are some people who they call themselves kuranis and they believe only the koran is sacred and the koran is much shorter doesn't have as much stuff about that, and I think that can be used to justify more moderate takes on Islam, but it's not a thing I'm fully informed on. I've actually thought about reading the Quran, because I just want to understand it really well, and get into that.

And so just so I can answer questions about this better, but Papa Dave, thank you for your question. That was a very good one. We have only a minute left here, so Julia, unmute yourself, and if you can say it really quick, so we can answer it quick. Hi, can you guys hear me? Yes, we can. Okay, amazing. I was just wondering how Charlie

was able to schedule his day down to like 15 minute increments and essentially live life to the fullest. Danny, you saw it. How did he do it? It took time. He had to just work on it over years and years and years, but everything was scheduled out. And he's part of it. He had a team. Yeah, he had a team that was scheduling stuff, but discipline. Everything was disciplined and everything had certain structure and every meeting he went into. Everything you do has to be with a purpose so you can just keep moving on to the next thing. Yep. I think it was, it was a built. up discipline. He didn't let things stretch longer than they needed to. And he was very aware of that if something felt like it was wasting time. He cut it off. He was not pulling out his phone and

aimlessly. He wasn't letting meetings go on forever. It was let's get in. Let's do this point of business. And let's get out. I think one of the most amazing things about Charlie is he did so much. And yet actually, when his work was done, he could head home. And he really knew how to separate his time. And that included not bloating things out unnecessarily. And so I'd always think about that. always ask yourself, is this just time wasting right now? And cut it out of your life and you'll be a little bit more like Charlie. Thank you, Julia. Thank you everyone who called in or emailed in with questions.

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