The Charlie Kirk Show - An Immigration Moratorium? + Bombshell Info on the Mar-A-Lago Raid

Episode Date: December 17, 2025

It's one day to the largest AmericaFest in history, but the show is still hard at work. The team reacts to a bombshell new FBI document revealing the shaky basis for the Mar-a-Lago raid three years ago and a possible invasion of Venezuela. Steve Deace joins to discuss the divisions within the American right and why a nationwide immigration moratorium could be the key to healing the nation's wounds. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com!    Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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friends, and viewers. All right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. It is Amfest Week. Amfest 24 hours, basically. Yeah, we start tomorrow, tomorrow evening. Probably going to do the show here from the studio tomorrow. I think I said that wrong earlier in the week.

So it's doing the show here from the studio. Then we'll head on over to the convention center. Friday we're going to be doing the show live from the convention center. You know, that's going to actually be a really bittersweet moment for me because we've done the Charlie Kirk Show live from our events countless times. And the Real America's Voice team is going to be, we're going to be at that set. It's going to be good. But without Charlie, it's going to be a really, I think, just a tough moment.

But we're going to do it. And it's going to be great. and we're grateful to our Real America's Voice team for helping with the production there and then the whole media row is just like stacked. Oh, it's, you know, stack, stacked, stacked. Everything's stacked.

It's going to be. All the peoples are going to be there. I hope the convention center. You know, I'm actually, yeah, well, I'm actually in a point where like, I feel like, you know, we've got to get through this last little push and it's going to be, I mean,

this is like the Super Bowl for Turning Point. And then I'm like, I'm really, This year, I'm really looking forward to some downtime during the holidays. I hope. I pray. I hope. You know, I want to just, like, hang out with my kids. And I'm, so anyways, hopefully we have a really big last finale to the year.

And then we get to enjoy our family and have some, some rest, which. That was the whole purpose. That's why he did Amfest when he did. He wanted that to be the finale of the political year, the grassroots year. And looking forward to the next, to the next, I mean, we've got Jesse Waters, Greg Gutfeld. We've got Tucker, Bannon, we've got, Megan Kelly. Who else do we got? We got a lot of people here.

We've got, yeah, Russell Brand. We've got Savannah Crisley. We've got, here, there's our speaker lineup. Erica Kirk. Oh, can't forget her. Of course. J.D. Vance is going to be our big finale. I mean, the Glenn Beck, how many other people could we go?

Matt Walsh, Michael Knowles, all the folks. So it's going to be a phenomenal, phenomenal, time. And I hope you guys will either check it out on Real America's Voice or stream it on Rumble if you can't get tickets. And I wish I could just say, hey, you could still get tickets, which is usually the line. But this year is a little different because we maxed out the space that the convention center could give us. So we had to adjust and turn off the ticketing. But if you go to Amfess.com and you want to get tickets, you can get a discounted ticket for next year. So that's kind of the workaround the best we could do this year so amfest starting up tomorrow night you're

not going to want to miss it um there's a lot of news here we're going to have steve dace who's uh just a great good friend become a good friend who's a good friend of charlie before he's become a good friend of mine uh he is going to be joining us for the second half of this uh this hour and he's also he's in town for amfest but he's got a show so we're going to do it remote let's talk about saving the west yes which uh it needs much saving it needs much saving i'm just checking now there's still searching for that Brown University shooter who may have targeted that conservative student

what was it? I wouldn't want to get her name right. Ellicook. Ellicook, yes. Yeah, and they're still looking for him. They have enhanced footage. There's been rumors that it's a specific person. I don't want to name him because the police have not named him. Yeah, it's all over the socials. Yes. And the person has a he, they

pronounce, but we don't know who is. We don't know so we shouldn't say more. We're holding back. You know, so anyways, that's a terrible story. There's a blockade going going on in Venezuela. There's a massive story from Chuck Grassley about the FBI

Mar-a-Lago Ridd. Let's do that first. That's putting in something that Charlie cared a lot about. And it's that Chuck Grassley, the House team, they've uncovered more documents related to that raid,

which gosh, that was three years ago, wasn't it? Over three years ago. It feels, that feels crazy to me. I remember the day that happened. But it's internal documents

from the FBI as they're debating, whether due to this raid on Marlago, to remind everyone, they all went there to find classified materials. They allegedly found them, whether anything in there was really that important is up for debate. And, of course, the president also has the power to declassify things with his mind. So it was quite the bizarre case. And now we just have documents from the White House, from the Washington Field Office. And you got to remember this posed image, though, Blake. the you remember this where they where they laid them all out with the top secret cover sheets on them but turns out they put the cover sheets on it it wasn't like they were filed away and then we have the image if you guys it was very silly but it wasn't like those they found those files with the top secret cover sheets on them yeah but yeah so this is the line it's uh from uh assistant special agent in charge and they just write very little has been developed related to who might be culpable for mishandling documents from the interview

Washington Field Office has gathered information suggesting there may be additional boxes but there is some concern that this information is single source has not been corroborated and may be dated and they basically say there's a lot of doubt that it reaches a probable cause standard

which is wild so there was doubt let's let's sum this up they're considering rating a president's home a former president's home of the United States I'm pretty sure that it hasn't been done before they cross a Rubicon in American political life

that we've thus far managed to not emulate the third world on they do it even though there is a massive discussion and debate about probable cause do they have the probable cause to do so absent a witness coming forward with recent information about classified on site at what point is it fair to table this It is time-consuming for the team and not productive if there are no new facts supporting probable cause. And then it says, this feels like a sentence weighted with a lot of meaning.

DOJ has opined that they do have probable cause requesting a wide scope including residence, office, and storage space. Yeah, I mean, this is a, you know, again, Chuck Grassley. He's such a funny tweeter, by the way. The words he shortens. That's the one way of describing it. He's a funny, he's a funny tweeter. received shocking new docs today from DOJ and FBI showing FBI did not believe it had probable cause to raid President Trump's Mar-Lago home, but Biden-D-O-J pushed for it anyway. Based on the records, Mar-Lago raid was a miscarriage of justice read-for-yourself. And we have the image of the document that he was delivered. But I mean, this is, I mean, this is shocking stuff. Like, this shows the level of animus that existed within the Biden-D-O-J for President. President Trump, the question that I have, where my mind goes, is how coordinated was this?

What, like, how far does the conspiracy reach? Who is, who is involved in it? Who is advising this? Yeah. Well, we say conspiracy, but we have, you know, they all said, our own point of view is that the president can order DOJ to investigate something, so. Yeah. But if his own FBI is saying, we don't have probable cause, that's a, that's a bombshell. For sure, for sure. That's a bomb shell. You guys should all follow Chuck Grassley, by the way, because he's at 999 thousand X follows He needs 900 to get him over the top Get 900 to get over the top

Yeah, he'd probably like that 815 I just looked He's 1,000 followers For every year he's been in the Senate I'm gonna follow check Grassley right now I just did it We also have this Venezuelan block it I want to at least prime the pump here

Yeah yeah we have a new statement From President Trump on Venezuela This has been building for weeks I think we've been at 10 different points Where I thought are we going to invade Venezuela tomorrow, but it keeps ratcheting up. And what the president announced yesterday is he says, the largest armada in history, in the history of South America is surrounding Venezuela now.

He says he's designated the Venezuelan government, a terrorist organization, and he says they're doing a total blockade on oil tankers going in or out of Venezuela. That is noteworthy because historically, a blockade is conventionally considered an act of war. so it's definitely not as it's not kinetic like dropping it's not it's not it gets brought up a lot because we of course blockaded cuba during the cuban missile crisis and that was a step they had to call it a quarantine instead of a blockade so they could say that it wasn't going to do that hey everybody this is andrew colvett executive producer of the charlie kirk show berna is proud to continue supporting charlie kirk's mission and the important work of turning point usa

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So Venezuela, I want to play this clip of Senator Federman because this, this, this, The drugboats thing is, it's like, I can't explain it, but the Democrats think this is like a political winner. And I love that they're picking this because massively popular to take out narco terrorists that are trying to deliver poison onto our shores. It is happening. And finally, there's a Democrat, Senator Federman, who says, listen, the briefing we got yesterday from Rubio and Heggseth was amazing. 2.35. This idea is some things out in the media. it's kind of putting out this, that the military is just picking off, you know, any boat that comes

across, that's just not true. I mean, there's extensive intelligence, and they know exactly who's on that boat, and they know what's actually on that boat right now. And it's quite frequently, they decline to take it and to move on those things. When they move on those kinetic kinds of strikes, you know, they have absolute confidence that who's on it and what's on it. and that's exactly what it's about. They're not just going around randomly

just shooting boats in those things. That's just not the fact. You really find yourself wondering how many boats there are because otherwise it seems like they would stop because no one wants to just commit suicide. Yeah, in that same interview, he did say that the majority of the actions that are being taken are just boat interdictions

where they actually grab them on shore. I'm sure they process them, seize the drugs, all that sort of thing. To your point, though, we didn't read the true social yet, did we? We didn't read the whole thing. Yeah, but it's like, somewhat long. Well, it's interesting because he says he, he, so this is President Trump's true social, 221, throw it up, but he says, Venezuela is completely surrounded by the largest

armada ever assembled in the history of South America. It will only get bigger, and the shock to them will take, will be like nothing they have ever seen before. So he's basically, you're right. He's kind of employing almost like a medieval surround the castle, block the resources going and out. But in this sense. Until such time as they return to the United States of America.

all the oil, land, and other assets that they previously stole from us. And I don't think he means literal territory. I think it's land that U.S. companies owned. It was probably like ExxonMobil. Hugo Chavez. He nationalized a lot of things with socialism and all of that. So they owned a lot of oil land that they were able to extract the oil. And that's typically how these things work.

And it was nationalized. It was stolen from American companies. And he alleges, which I think is provably true, the Maduro regime is using oil from the stolen oil fields to finance themselves, drug terrorism, human trafficking, murder, and kidnapping for the theft of our assets and many other reasons, including terrorism, drug smuggling, human trafficking. Yeah, it says, therefore, I am ordering a total and complete blockade of all sanctioned oil tankers.

Okay. So the question is, will this be, I think bombing the drug boats has been a win so far, and it'll remain that way as long as they don't blow up the wrong boat, then it's very bad. But does it remain a win if we end up, I mean, how high, this go? Like, I think President Trump seems to believe he could probably topple Venezuela quite easily.

Yeah. And I think it would be easier than Afghanistan or Iraq would be, because I don't think you'd have, it's not this ideological thing where you have this. It's also a Navy, you know, sea fleet, right, that is blocking, and you know, Venezuela doesn't have a way to counter us in that way. There's nobody in the... Well, yeah, but the same thing with those other countries. We still ended up occupying them and having thousands of guys die. Yeah, I don't think that's where we're going. I think he's going to basically choke the finances of the Maduro regime so that he is incentivized to

flee and get out of there so that somebody else can. Yeah, listen, I have to say, as against foreign invasions and foreign abstractions and military operations, you know, we talked about this Michael Knowles, there is going to be more patience with the base to do this, right? And I'll explain why. First of all, there's been these Venezuelan gangs, you know, Aurora Colorado stories. lives in the memory of the of American citizens. This is one of the reasons President Trump won election. These Venezuelan gangs are being funded, propped up, or at least, you know, tacitly blessed by the Maduro regime

to cause chaos in our borders, okay? And by the mere fact that these drugboats continue setting off for the United States. Do we know that they? Do we know that they're saying it a lot. What? Which part? Like that they're signing off on gangs doing stuff. I think Venezuela is just a crappy country. lot of Venezuelan gangsters come here probably. I think that that's essentially how Maduro keeps control, is what I've read, is that he has sort of these handshake, wink, wink agreements with

these street gangs, and they do his bidding, and they go where he wants. I feel like the best outcome we could have is they flee or get toppled. We get a, you know, the El Salvador guy. Sure. Buckele. Buckele. And we get a Buckele style government. We send all the Venezuelan illegals back to Venezuela and they immediately send them to some Venezuelan hyper prison that they build for all of them and we can pay them five billion dollars here his number one export his number one export is going to be like prison systems like it's great if you look at the polls everyone who neighbors Venezuela they're like they say we want that I want that in my country and it'll be great if you got rid of probably in the United States

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packed, you're going to be speaking to the crowd. Do you want to give us a little teaser or what you're thinking about talking about? The number one thing I hope that we get out of this weekend is I've just never experienced the kind of unity and seeds of revival like we had at Charlie's Memorial and the immediate thereafter. And I am just hoping and praying in advance of this event that what this does is recaptures that going into the holidays and then we come out of the new year with that kind of focus and drive and purpose and shared missiology and momentum again and so everything I mean you guys are keeping me busy this week so everything that I'm going to be a part of here at the convention center in Phoenix is about is going to be about reinforcing that message

which is kind of weird for me I mean for much of my career I've kind of been the disruptor insurgent guy. But Charlie convinced me in the last year plus that if we don't convince, we don't keep this coalition together, we're doomed. And so now as I get older, I hit him into my 50s now. I kind of feel like I'm grandpa now and I'm trying to get everybody to stay on the same team for the first time in my career. So I'm going to be harping on that a lot this week. Well, it kind of reminds me of that Elon Musk quote. And I think it was right around the memorial where he says, we must hang together or we shall surely hang separately. Yeah. And there really is, you know, I've been thinking a lot about this, Steve, and this isn't where we were planning to go with it,

but I think it kind of all ties in with what we were planning on talking about on the show today. You know, there is a time for bringing coalitions together. Usually that's election years, right? Obviously, you have to cede the ground before that happens, and you have to do the work before. But there can be a time where you've got to sort of, there is a sifting. There can be a sifting that happens. And it's truly a difficult question when that time is, you know, how to, who makes the call, who has the leadership to sort of lead the, you know, the pruning and the, you know, because you got to prune every garden, you got to prune every tree if it's going to grow healthy. And there is a point where that can be. What do you make of this? I mean, the most famous example is the Buckley and the, in the, in the, in the, in the, was that 60s or 70s? John Birch Society?

50s, 60s. 50, 60s? All right. I mean, so that's the most famous example. But what do you make of that as a larger question? I'm sure you guys have seen this meme that has gone around the last few months. And I have it here on my computer. I look at it like daily and I think about it a lot. And it's this meme where there's a giant dam. And it's labeled Charlie Kirk. And it's holding back this huge body of water, essentially craziness. And the dam is between this crazy body of water and then how we can actually unite and win. And I think about that a lot. And I think people are just now seeing posthumously how much Charlie was respected in that role and precisely was thrust in that role because he did not seek it. I mean, that's the kind of respect. You can't appoint yourself an apostle.

You can't appoint yourself a bishop. You cannot appoint yourself a leader. And most of the people that try to do that, you know, back in the day when I was younger, we used to say you can't gloss yourself, right? And so the guys that typically try to do that are anything but about that life. And typically that stuff is bestowed upon you organically by your peers. And I just think there was a unique combination both of reverence for Charlie, respect for Charlie and his intellect, fear of Charlie's intellect and his platform.

And then, you know, the fact that he was a good, decent human being at the same time that uniquely put him into that position. And I think what you're seeing now is there's various. elements, these various factions within our movement now, libertarians, you know, America firster. No, we're really America firsters. Maybe America onlyers. Maybe we need to have a reconsideration of our relationship with Israel. Maybe we can have a partnership with the Islamic world. Maybe we need to completely divorce ourselves in the Islamic world. The leaders of these various factions now are kind of coming to a head with their platforms to fill this void,

and that has created a lot of the dissension and argumentation that you're seeing right now. And I think what we actually really need is a real debate. I think we need to have a real argument and in constructive ways so that people can legitimately feel as if their voices are heard. I said in the aftermath of the interview that Tucker did with Fuentes that a lot of people got worked up about. And I said this on my show. I said, listen, trying to mainstream Nick Fuentes will destroy our coalition on one end,

trying to cancel Tucker because he brings up topics you don't like and in ways that all the time, frankly, I don't even agree with, will destroy it in the other end, all right? So there's no win here by trying to cancel either side of this various conversation. What we really need to have are substantive debates. And I would urge the leaders of these various factions that want to have their views reconsidered now with this void left by Charlie's murder, then I would urge them, and I would, one, try to be responsible,

try to understand the collateral damage when you bring something up and disagree, and be willing to have and let the leaders of the other side, and the other factions, question you. Go on one in other's shows. Go on one in other's platforms. I know there's going to be lots of breakouts and stuff here this week at America Fest. This is really a time now that we need to come now

and reason together, as the Bible says, and that's then the prophet Isaiah. Yeah, I'm a thousand percent with you. I was on Ross Douthis podcast and it released last week, and it was a great experience, actually. And the reason I did it was because we had originally booked Charlie to be on Ross's show,

in October and you know lo and behold he invited me to come out in December so I was honored to take the invitation and to do it and one of the things we talked about was this this very thing and I'm a proponent of let's have the debate let's have the debate the key is is that in the online community it turns into you know this kind of feud culture which is not productive and that's exactly what Charlie tried to avoid we've been trying to avoid it and I think you know, if you can stay out of the personal mud slinging and you get into the debate, the actual merits of the ideas, that's when the, that's the sweet spot. You should not be afraid of that. The feud culture, the mud slinging, the personal animus, that stuff can be really, really distracting. And by the way, it's really seductive as well. The feud slinging and also just what they choose to focus on, you know, since you mentioned Fuentes and others, but that... One of the Charlie's best things is he really was almost entirely focused on very practical politics.

So he was always talking about the next race, not even the big elections, but this off-year elections. He would have been really hammering the Virginia and New Jersey races. And that's why we tried to do the same. Or even Wisconsin Supreme Court election, Tennessee by-election, he'd get whipped up for these things. And he'd fixate on what could Congress be doing right now? What could the president be doing right now that will have an impact on the board? on your individual life and when he wasn't talking about politics he was talking about that individual life stuff you should be going to church you should be you know observe the sabbath if you

can do do those things and I do worry that a lot of what's happened with the weirder stuff that's come into the right you know arguing over I mean let's be frank a lot of the stuff the debate about Israel for a lot of them they really actually just want to hate on Jewish people and besides the fact that I consider that generally morally wrong, it's also a huge distraction from everything. And it occurred to me that there was this big cancel battle going on in late October of this year, right before important elections. And there were a lot of people who weren't talking about that.

They were talking about whether it was okay to attack world jury or not. Yeah. Well, and you know, Steve, and I'll throw this to you, Charlie always had this guiding North Star, I think, that kept him very clear-minded about what was important, what wasn't, and that was Save the West. Save America, Save the West. And you postulate that there's really only two ways we do that. What are those, Steve?

I think one comes from above Providence, and that's Mass Revival. When you see that 2% of France, less than 2% is evangelical, you see many of the old Catholic cathedrals now are mosques or strip malls or just barren buildings throughout much of Western Europe. We're beyond just, you know, rezoning laws and many practical political solutions to that level of spiritual degradation. So we need mass, great awakening level revival. It's not a coincidence that we had great awakenings before we had, you know, we had liberty in America. We had pastors like John Winthrop and Jonathan Edwards and others. So what can we do in the practicum?

Because that comes from above. And in the practicum, I think we're doomed without a flat out, all-out immigration moratorium. And I might even extend it. Hold on. Say it again so they can hear you in the back, Steve. Yeah, I think we might be doomed without an all-out immigration moratorium at least five years. I'd say a decade.

Something along the lines when my good friend, Congressman Chip Roy is proposing right now with the Paws Act, but I'd make it even more draconian. And I hate saying this, guys. I mean, I put the fun in fundamentalism. You know it. I like thumped in my Bible, man. I love it. Okay? But I'm not even sure how many Christian

asylum cases we can take because a lot of them are going to come from countries that are dominated by Islam. So how do we know? How do we vet? How do we know? Because whatever the vetting system was around here for the last 20-plus years, socked. All right? Since 9-11, we've taken in over 3 million people from Islamic-dominated countries.

That is absolute cultural suicide. And I think we've got to stop it. Yeah, and Steve, how many kids did they have? So we took in 3 million, but are they having 4.7, children each, each couple there. So is that really, is that really closer to 15 million now? And you see what happened in Bondi Beach. I mean, you know, this is, the West is sleepwalking into cultural suicide. And there's many of us that are are clapping our hands, waving, jumping up and

down saying, please wake up. Charlie was big on this. And there seems to be a faction within our own ranks that is, I don't know, more cozing up to this idea that we can be friends with, you know, Islamists that move into our, into our own country. Yeah. There are 50 Muslim majority countries in the world. There's lots of options. You don't need to have a move to the West. This is Lane Schoenberger, Chief Investment Officer and founding partner of Y. Refai.

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I think, to your point, Draconian, he's getting more serious about it. And by the way, when I talk to any of my friends that are connected to the administration, I just say, that is a popular policy. Please know, we got your back. If there's one thing that is uniting right-wing political online culture with political culture, it's immigration. So that's a good thing. 100%. I mean, look at the prime minister of Australia, not our hemisphere, but obviously it's a country

that's founding is mired in Western, you know, values and philosophies, right after what happened there. His immediate call was for more common sense gun control, you know, and no one can rise above their own worldview. Worldview is destiny, or the Bible says, as a man, think it, so is he. Right. And so if your worldview in response, you should be tempted to go so far the other way that we do have to say, hey, slow down, let's not just go ahead and mass, you know, collectively guilt people because of what happened here. Instead, the temptation is to double down on the very policies that lead to more and more

of these tragedies. And when you're dealing with something like that, that to me is, again, immigration moratorium. We clearly cannot think this through right now. We need a full stop right now. And Steve, the only way you get that is with a filibuster, but even if you did a filibuster, if you nuke the filibuster, who knows?

All right, so Steve, if you're calling for an immigration moratorium, I am totally on board. it for at least a decade, but I'll take what I can get. The question then becomes how do you achieve that political end, right? You're seeing today that four Republicans have broke in the House for Obamacare subsidies. That is a very clear indication that we do not have control over. We do not have very tough people. Yeah, we have a bunch of Democrat lights in the House and probably in the Senate. You think Susan Collins, you think Lisa Murkowski, you think Ram Paul, you think who else you got Mitch McConnell still in there

even if we nuke the filibuster you'd have to presume two things one that we have enough votes to do so and secondly that once we do so we'd have enough political will to accomplish the truly important critical pieces that will save America and I don't think we have either that's exactly why we need

to try to do it though so our people can see remember the Dred Scott case is considered to be one of the key components that led to the end of slavery in America we lost that case but people got to see the U.S. Supreme Court look at a black man and say that's not a person, it's property. And that clarifying, that clarifier ignited the abolitionist movement in the next era to do what must be done to win. And so I think we need to try these things, even if they fail, to spur on our people so that what comes after Trump then is even more zealous for the kinds of things we're talking about now that they fully know who and what it truly is that we are aligned with.

interesting i you might have just convinced me i've been really wavering on this i think uh blake blake you're probably a little bit on the other side of that argument and i've i've just been admittedly i've been in the mushy middle because i could see it going like i'm gaming it out how we could do this and i and i don't but you might have convinced me yeah it's it's just tough it's very hard we don't have the soldiers in the field right now but there's a line like in science that science progresses one funeral at a time and I feel like Republican courage progresses one retirement at a time. Yeah, we just had another retirement announced in Washington State. Okay, so we want to get immigration done. We would all go in favor of an immigration moratorium.

How many votes, so let's set the filibuster, nuking the filibuster side. Let's assume that we can do that. Let's assume we get 50 plus one. What happens next? How many U.S. senators would vote for an immigration moratorium right now, as it stands. I don't think there's any chance it would pass, but I think our people need to see this. How many, do you think we get 10? You think we get 15? I bet you get, I bet you get 20 or 25 because now there are votes on the record. And you have to understand the way the Republican Party establishment works is an

incumbency protection racket, right? So they don't want a lot of these things to even come up for a vote because they don't want the base to know just truly how weak a lot of the people that are voting for really are. And so this kind of clarifier, you're going to get the people that were never with us, they're going to get more emboldened to be so. Then you're going to get some squishy people who don't want to be known that they're on the wrong side of history here that that would like to keep collecting those pension points there in Washington, D.C. So I would guess we'd probably get half the Republican senators to vote for it. It's even more treacherous than that, Steve, because think of what happened with Obamacare, for example, where the Republicans would endlessly hold those symbolic votes to repeal and replace Obamacare because they knew it was.

not going to pass. So what would you have in our Senate? How many of them would vote for the full immigration moratorium? As long as they had ironclad confidence, it was not actually going to pass. And then if it seemed, oh, we have 58 Republican senators. We could conceivably pass it. Suddenly, everyone gets shaky. There's problems with it. You have the ghost of John McCain possess somebody and say, oh, I'm actually going to vote with the Dems on this one. So, well, and here's the thing. You could do a net zero immigration moratorium. right so the estimates are around 200 to 300,000 people, U.S. citizens and immigrants, foreign-born residents, leave the United States every year, two to 300,000. So it's not like you're

not allowing some movement of humanity, right? You can bring in a new H-1B if you sponsor, if you get somebody else to leave America. And you have to pay $150,000. I'm just picturing like a tech company and maybe Microsoft or something and they find refugees and they just say, we'll pay you $50,000 will resettle you in this colony in a cheap country like Panama or something. That's not a terrible idea. They're dumping people there so they can bring in tech workers.

Trump can stand up like the Joker. I can't like this idea now. He can stand up like the Joker, break the cue stick and half and say, we're going to have tryouts. All right? So you've got to get somebody to leave before you can come in. And we'll do it in an octagon.

At the White House. This is, yeah. I mean, listen, but I actually think some of these ideas. So a lot of people look, okay, okay, Trump Gold Card, right? The Trump card or whatever, $5 million. People, and, you know, I posted something on

X and people are like, something about how you know, a piece of paper doesn't make you an American. And they're like, yeah, we agree. What about the Trump card? It's like, okay, we have to have some pragmatism in here. We have to look at, you know, for example, I'm against H-1Bs, but I'm pro-genius visas.

So why can't we have more geniuses moving? At this point, I often just look at what China does because they're just a country that doesn't hate themselves, even if they're ideologically very different. And China has immigrants, they just have very few. They find a world-class expert in something, and they say, come here, we'll pay you a million dollars a year, two million dollars a year, and you have to teach these native Chinese everything you know.

Imagine that. If you look at the H-1B program, guys, right now, there's about as many H-1B visas in America as there are college-educated people in the unemployment rhyme. And so we keep being told that Americans cannot do these jobs. So let me repeat that. There's about as many college-degraded people in the unemployment line in America right now as we have H-1B visas. I mean, if we're graduating from college and you cannot even do baseline H-1B visa work,

then I think we should seriously consider why we even have colleges and universities than in the first place. What are they, other than learning how to become a gay race communist, what are they doing there? Well, you know, it kind of, I hate to, I mean, that's a funny line. I want to enjoy the moment, but it, for some reason, it, it made me think of poor Ella Cook at Brown University, you know, these, the, the radical environment that she was living around. And we're, we're waiting on confirmation that she was indeed targeted. But I'm going to be honest, like, it's hitting me, like, you know, the story didn't hit me as hard at first. It felt

sad and sympathy, and I set a prayer for her and her family. But as the days go, on and I sit with this. It's hitting me hard. I'm like, I'm having, you know, it's hitting closer to home because I think what happened to Charlie. And it just is breaking my heart. And, you know, these universities, they had a lot of federal funding. They get a lot of prop, you know, they propped up. And they're, you know, you're indoctrinating your children. You're, you're playing Russian roulette with their values. Steve Dase, we are going to see you this weekend, my friend. Thanks for joining. That was a really fun conversation. So we appreciate you making the time. We'll see you. Anytime. We'll see you.

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