The Charlie Kirk Show - An Unexpected J6 Pipe Bomb Arrest

Episode Date: December 4, 2025

Has one of the biggest unsolved mysteries about Jan 6 finally been solved? After nearly five years, the FBI has arrested the man they say planted two pipe bombs at the DNC and RNC. The show reacts  to the breaking news, and Julie Kelly helps break down what unanswered questions remain. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com!    Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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All right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. It is a beautiful day here in sunny Florida. Blake is still at home base in Arizona. I heard the show was amazing yesterday, so congrats, well done. Thank you for hosting instead. Can't wait to join you in Florida. I think I get in tomorrow night.

There you go. And we had an eventful day yesterday in New York as well. Obviously, Erica Kirk was at Deal Book with The New York Times. I actually pre-recorded a long-form podcast with Ross Douthit of the New York Times as well. So kind of like a New York Times day. Sometimes you've got to do it. And obviously, Erica is promoting Charlie's last book, and she's doing it in her husband's stead. Very, very proud of her.

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and he goes into it in this book, and he justifies it, proves it backs up why it's necessary in so many, so many ways. So check that out. Stop in the name of God coming out next week. So we have a busy week traveling a lot. But Blake, we had some breaking news just this morning. The FBI has arrested a suspect. Yeah, the FBI has arrested a suspect in the January 5th, pipe bomb planning investigation. And we have some information on this suspect already. So, Blake, why don't you walk through what we know? And then we also are aware that we're going to have a 1 p.m. Eastern press conference where we'll obviously find out more. And Julie Kelly is coming up at 1230 on this show to fill us in on what she has gathered thus far.

Yeah, exactly. Andrew, we don't know, no, no, too much stuff yet. We do have it reported the name of the suspect. His name is Brian Cole. I have seen reporting in various places that have described him as potentially, quote, an anarchist and some people have said okay there's a lot of types of anarchism it would that would definitely make it plausible to explain why you would leave bombs at both the rnc and the dnc a lot of anarchists are sort of anti everything anti all parties anti all governments uh he seems to have a house in northern virginia he seems it's a pretty nice house i must say so that would be that would

be interesting uh it would be wild if we had a breakthrough on this just because It's been almost five years. The FBI said that they'd reviewed thousands of hours of footage, interviewed hundreds, if not thousands of people, really investigated this and gotten nowhere for so long. And that, as you know, Andrew drove so much speculation. We had recent speculation. It was somebody else just within the last month. But also, I think you remember, we talked to Darren Beattie a lot. He thought the pipe bomber might really be this key to cracking what might have been a plan on January 6th.

It's just been this long-running thing. I think that was one of the first shows I did with Charlie when I joined almost three years ago was us discussing the J6 pipe bomber and the ongoing drama around it. So I think we're all very interested and excited to see what they reveal over the course of today. Yeah, exactly. So let's play this out here, Blake. If this person ends up being, as some outlets have already reported, associated with Antifa or having connections to Antifa or similar ideologies, you mentioned he might be an anarchist, I don't really necessarily see a differentiation between those two ideologies on some level. If we find that out to be the case, and you know Darren well, we had him on the show a lot of times going through why this could be potentially a linchpin to unraveling all of the mystery around January 6th, what does that do?

to our theories of the case. What does that mean in terms of the ramifications, right? These allegations, speculations of a grander conspiracy, of coordinated conspiracy. Are they dashed? Does it add new light on it? Does it fuel them further? Well, I'm sure we could probably talk to Darren or Mike Benz. I'm sure they're both digging deep into this.

But I guess one of the, the core of the idea was, that it should have been extremely trivially easy for them to identify the pipe bomber, that they had a lot of this evidence, that not all of the evidence had been released. I remember there was a lot of fixation on how they had more footage of the pipe bomber than they'd actually let out to the public. Right, and it was grainy, and it was missing frames. Yeah, so what will be very interesting is now that they're charging somebody, we're going to, well, all of the evidence is going to have to come out because it's going to be part of the trial, and they'll have to lay out how did they identify this person and we'll get, I think, a better insight into why it took so long

and what the supposed breakthrough was. And that could be the final piece of that jigsaw that makes it all come together. They might have a very plausible explanation of why there was so many blind alleys or why this was so difficult or that answer might be somewhat unsatisfying. But they have certainly made the superficial showing of this being a serious thing. In 2023, they raised a reward for information leading to an arrest from $100,000 to $500,000. So there was this fat pot of money available if someone was able to identify a suspect. And I suspect if someone had known and they were just being denied and shut down, they could have gone to the press about it.

So I think I'm hopeful this will be a real breakthrough. and we don't want our government to be doing weird plots or weird agent provocateur stuff. So I would be very happy if it did turn out that was not the case. Yeah, no, it's same, actually. You know, I think, you know, us on the right, we should be relieved if they actually get the suspect and we identify it. It's beyond a shadow of doubt and the facts bear out. But just to bring everybody kind of up to speed on some of these different pieces here,

so in these pipe bombs were. live and viable. Now, there's some disagreement behind whether or not they were, you could detonate them successfully. So I don't know if you would chalk that up to competency or if it was an intentional ruse, what it could be. I'm not sure, but they contained homemade black powder, kitchen timers and other components capable of detonation. And it could have caused serious injury or death if they had exploded. Why that point is important is because you had Kamala Harris walking within 20 feet of these pipe bombs. And we have not heard a peep. out of the Democrats on this very, very suspicious story.

So that's one little nugget that I think we need to hold in the back of our thoughts as we do this. The other thing is, as you mentioned before, there was reporting within the last month by Stephen Baker, who they were talking about this gate analysis, like his gate signature, that what they were trying to say was a 94, some people say 96 percent or 98 percent match to a former Capitol police personnel. And, you know, so one has to wonder, did that force pressure with inside the FBI, with inside the intelligence agency,

to get to the bottom of this? And now, what other really important fact is that when Dan Bongino, Cash Patel, came into the FBI, there was a team that was already working on this. They augmented the team, and they completely switched out those who were investigating this.

So they brought in a new team, they made it larger, and perhaps this is what has led to this end result that they've got somebody they believe is the actual perpetrator in this case. So one has to wonder what machinations were going on behind the scenes that within one month of this other story, we get this new story. And we were told if this ends up being true,

that Antifa had nothing to do with J6, right? This was a right-wing coordinated assault sedition. This was an assault on our capital and our very democracy. So if it turns out that a member of Antifa or somebody with close ties to Antifa was, in fact, behind what I would say is the most serious and destructive and dangerous aspect of that whole saga, then we have a whole new series of questions about what this means and what the significance of this day and this act really truly were. This is Lane Schoenberger, Chief Investment Officer and founding partner of Y-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-E-Fi. It has been an honor and a privilege to partner with Turning Point and for Charlie to endorse us. His endorsement means the world to us, and we look forward to continuing our partnership with Turning Point for years to come. Now, hear Charlie, in his own words, tell you about Y-R-R-R-E-F-Y-F-I.

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y-refi.com. Blake, what are you seeing? You know, so nothing breaking immediately. I think we're going to get a lot out of this press conference and hopefully Julie will have some info from her sources. But I've really just been thinking about what you said, where they rotated out the investigators. And it's so emblematic, I think, of the change that we would have wanted. to see in our FBI, in our federal law enforcement, because under the Biden administration, we had four years of, as they called it, the largest manhunt ever to find every single person

who set one atom of their body within the Capitol, whether they attacked anyone or did anything or had any ill intent whatsoever. And then we had a total, total failure to find this pipe bomber. And that they seemed to very much downplay it. They didn't talk about it as much. That's also what drove a lot of the suspicion about it that they might have been trying to hide something because you would have thought they would have frankly politically exploited it more otherwise and then you know new new people we we push aside all of the random grandmas being prosecuted and we have suddenly it seems like we have a good breakthrough on the actual person who seemed to have intended to kill people with a bomb which we had so many FBI

investigations of Catholics going to mass, of people deciding who is a potential extremist, and so little on the clear, obvious threats that directly go after Americans' lives. And I think if they can bring this to a successful conclusion, it would be good for the country. We should have an FBI that finds terrorists, that finds killers, and brings them to justice. That is what we want. We don't need a secret police force monitoring what you're as people go to. Well, listen, if he does have anarchist ties, ideological ties, Antifa ties,

whatever we end up discovering, like I said in the previous segment, I think this opens up just a whole slew of new questions, Blake, insofar as, you know, were there infiltrations? Were there, was there any conspiracy or coordination across groups? We've already seen the myriad of video evidence that shows that Capitol Police officers were waving people in, that they were, that they were sort of cooperating. Now, that wasn't the case in every single scene within the Capitol, and nobody is suggesting that. But what we are saying is that there are big questions that remain, who knew what and when, were precautions not taken when they should have been taken? There's been much made about President Trump offering the National Guard and those invitations.

They have to be requested at the congressional level, namely Pelosi, Muriel Bowser. They did not request them. They did not take President Trump on. those up on those offers. So why not? Maybe there's an innocuous explanation. Maybe it is more sinister. I think those are fine things to investigate and we need to get to the bottom of it. But if there is Antifa present, if there were instigations present, and why those haven't been pursued, why they haven't been investigated. But meanwhile, as you said, Blake, we have thrown every grandma we can find that put so much as a pinky toe inside the Capitol, then we have a serious issue of political weaponization of the federal law enforcement agencies, namely the FBI and a lot of

the surrounding judges and jurisdictions that oversaw those cases. And that's a huge problem. That is a problem akin to the level of, you know, surveilling Catholic churches or surveilling parents that go to school boards because they don't want to see their trans ideology shove down the throat of their children. This is a huge, huge tell. This is the dog that didn't bark. The silence is deafening to your point, why did they not investigate the pipe bomber more rigorously? Why was there not more of a political exploitation of that on behalf of the Democrat Party? They're good at exploiting every other thing, whether that be Venezuelan drugboats getting bombed, whether that be leaked phone calls, perfectly fine phone calls in Venezuela. They will exploit everything to maximize their advantage politically. We have seen this over and over and over again. And then when you call them out on that, they will play the victim and say that, oh, I must be over the target. Well, no. Actually, you're just guilty of wrongdoing, Mark Kelly. So why did they not do that in this instance? The dog that didn't bark, I think, is the tell. And we have to ask ourselves, why, why? What did they know and when?

Exactly. Exactly. And but I think, again, we should be grateful. We should be grateful if we caught a person. Yes. It feels weird. I guess we should be grateful if they just didn't politicize the thing. And they also weren't covering it up. That's a good thing for the country. We should not, We should not complain if Democrats declined to do a bad thing. We do have to live with them. We do live in the same country as them. And that's unlikely to change. Oh, you're far too generous, Blake.

You're far too generous. I probably am. I just, I probably am. I simply believe that it is beyond the pale. It is, it bends credulity, if not breaks it outright to believe that they would not politically exploit the vice president of the United States nearly getting blown up by a pipe bomb. if they did not see a political advantage in doing so. So I can't see it.

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of it. The floor is yours. So, I mean, this is one of the biggest unsolved mysteries of January 6th, who was that individual in the hoodie, who was on surveillance video walking around Capitol Hill for an hour the night of January 5th, who allegedly planted those two devices, one. outside the headquarters of the DNC, where Kamala Harris went on January 6th, and then one outside of the headquarters of the RNC. So it appears that after restarting this cold case, inexplicably just dropped by Chris Ray's FBI in early 2021 following a few months of really intensive investigation, Andrew, all of a sudden the case was dropped and memory hold for years. Cash Patel, Dan Bongino, taking the reins of the FBI, making this a priority, devoting new

resources, new technologies, looking at the old evidence. And now it appears that they have arrested a man, Brian Cole, is being reported from Virginia. He is apparently the individual who is seen in that hoodie on the night of January 5th planting those devices. So yes, press conference at 1 o'clock, we will hear a lot more details. But again, this does solve a major unsolved mystery. Big open question about the events of January 6th. So you had reported earlier, Julie, that there was at least some reporting about potential ties to Antifa.

We're seeing him, this individual, be described as an anarchist. What do we know about Brian Cole at this point? So nothing. Everything is kind of being pieced together, corporate news and their sources. I'm, you know, hearing from my sources as well. well, I think what we learn at 1 o'clock will be very interesting to say the least. But if this is true, and I believe he's being reported as 30 years old, that would have made him 25, 26 on January 6th of 2021. Yes, some reporting that he's tied to Antifa, the anti-fascist movement at the time, which you guys makes a lot of sense, right?

This would make a lot of sense as to why the Chris Ray FBI, aside from occasionally, you know, reposting this video that they had pieced together, also that had been manipulated, that O.G, we don't have the cell phone data. O.G., we didn't really investigate the people who discovered the devices on January 6th. You know, everything we have learned in documents since that point. But if this individual is Antiva, then it makes perfect sense why Chris Ray, who insisted early on that Antifa was not involved in the events of January 6th, why they would have buried this investigation because it would have not only undermined the whole January 6th insurrection that was being built at the time in early 2021, but completely contradict Chris Ray's

insistence without evidence before he could even know who was at the Capitol, his insistence early on that Antifa did not play a role in what happened on January 6th. Fascinating. I had forgotten that little detail about Christopher Ray's insistence that Antifa was not. involved. Now, I'm going to play this clip, and it is, I believe, from December of 2024, and it's the Inspector General's report that it basically confirmed that there were confidential sources embedded within the crowd, and then I'm going to link it back to some of the behavior of the FBI since. Play cut 322. There were three confidential human sources tasked by the Bureau to be in the crowd on January 6th to specifically watch what the report states

is concerns over domestic terrorism. Out of those three, Sandra and John, one entered the capital, two others entered a restricted area. The report says the FBI did not encourage or authorize any sources to go into the building or a restricted area. In addition to the three confidential human sources, the FBI told there were 23 that were there on their own. So we had a total of 26 confidential sources. You have, it seems as though, FBI director, former FBI.

I director, Ray, going out of his way to say that Antifa was not involved. And yet here we have what could be a connection to somebody with ties to Antifa. The question then becomes, why did they not seemingly, why did they close the door on that aspect of these ties to Antifa? But secondly, why did the Democrats not politically exploit the fact that the sitting vice president of the United States almost got blown up by a pipe bomb? Right. So, I mean, Andrew, this is something that I've always found so interesting is that Kamala Harris, we don't know why. She left the Capitol shortly after 11 o'clock, 1115, on January 6th and went to DNC headquarters. We never knew why. Why was she leaving the Capitol? She was a sitting U.S. Senator at the time, recall, from California. She was going to be part of the proceedings that day. Also, the historic, you know, history making. incoming first black female vice president so why would she leave there where all the reporters are and everyone's there swooning over her to go to the dnc headquarters she never talked about why

and she certainly never talks about her near death her near brush with death assassination at the hands of this maga bomber which is something we were also told um in her book she only addresses the pipe bombs once in like two sentences and says how she was is there calling supporters or donors thanking them for their support, which also is odd. But you would think she would have devoted an entire chapter to, you know, her trauma in surviving this near brush with death, as I said, from this device that was sitting outside the DNC that her detail missed, that two rounds of bomb sniffing canine units missed as well, DC Metro Police missed, Capitol Hill Police missed. Because if we're, if this is correct,

that the device was set the night before, it would have been sitting there outside the DNC for 17 hours and no one detected it. So I do want to emphasize, even though there is this individual in custody, allegedly who planted those devices that night, still, we're still going to have a lot of questions. Are there ties between him and say the individual,

the woman who found the device outside the RNC right at 1240 on that day? She also was tied to law enforcement. What about the idea outside of the DNC that everyone, including the Secret Service, missed this device sitting outside underneath the bush in between two benches right next to the driveway where police vehicles were in and out for hours before that device was allegedly was discovered at about 105-107 on January 6th. So we're still going to figure out how to piece this together if there is a tie between this individual, the individuals who discovered it, Or if those devices that were planted were really the ones that were found, because I have always contended that I thought those devices were planted right before they were found that day. So I'm keeping an open mind to see what the FBI is going to say at 1 o'clock.

But this doesn't solve the pipe bomb mystery. Let's put it that way. But it does add a very important puzzle piece to trying to figure out what exactly happened. And I find this interesting, too, and I brought this up with Blake. And Blake, please feel free to jump in here. But I find it interesting that we had this, you know, this story from about a month ago where we were talking about gate signature analysis, you know, 96% match. And I'm assuming that that must have caused quite an uproar within the FBI.

And then within a month, we get this arrest. You sort of wonder what was playing on behind the scenes. Is your reporting indicated that this, maybe that initial story accelerated the pace at which this investigation was playing out? Or is there something else we don't know? I don't know. I mean, I was on your show, I think, the day after, two days after that Blaze report dropped. I thought it was very sketchy using this gait analysis that was never published, using video samples that also were never published. So that's also going to be interesting.

was this report intended to undermine the leadership of the FBI, which we know that it was because the people who are peddling it and pushing it are anti-Trump, anti-Cash Patel, anti-Dan Bonino influencers and reporters? Was it doing what we're seeing now, which is, oh, will this push the FBI to come up with this suspect? I know from my own sourcing, that's not true. I mean, as soon as Cash and Dan, especially Dan, who covered the pipe bomb story, lot and i was on a show a lot talking about it this was a priority but you're taking a cold case that was years old also trying to work with whatever has been left over from the chris ray FBI probably destroyed evidence hidden evidence maybe there was something in burn bags who

knows as i always said chris ray didn't leave evidence to things that we want to find out he didn't leave that in little neat folders on cash petal's desk so they've had to dig around for a lot is this part of it. But I don't think, I can save a certainty that that blaze bomb report did not hasten or accelerate this investigation or this arrest today. This has been something that's been in the works for months, a priority by both Cash and Dan. And now I think a lot of people are going to have egg on their face because my understanding is the evidence against the suspect is extremely strong. Okay. Well, we will have to take you at your word on that, Julie. Thank you for your quick reporting. Quick response time here.

I know you've had a busy morning because this has been a story you've been on since the very beginning. You, Darren Beattie, deserve a lot of credit for keeping this front and center in our consciousness. So thank you so much. Julie Kelly, declassified.com live substack and Julie underscore Kelly 2 on X. Give her a follow. She's a great follow. I check her stuff literally every day. So thank you, Julie. Thanks, Andrew. Thanks, thanks, guys. Connection, open dialogue, these are the things that build communities. Charlie, Kirk, and TikTok share in that knowledge. That's why TikTok has built a space where that kind of listening actually happens.

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let's remember what we actually know for sure and what we know for sure is we had these pipe bombs and it was of uncertain origin and it was always possible it was just going to be a complete freak coincidence it happened the same day as everything that went down at the capital yeah i mean it could have just been a frequent. I mean, listen, you have thousands and thousands, thousands of people expected in DC. There's going to be a lot of people that come out for that. I mean, there just is. You're basically putting a sign out saying welcome. We had this breaking news come up upon us, but candidly we could talk about this clip a lot. We could have got a whole hour with this clip. Yeah, exactly. So let's go ahead and play this. This is Senator Warner. And I just can't say how wild it is that they are saying

these things out loud and doing it in a respectable way on MSM, legacy media, and getting away with it. Let's go ahead and play cut 304. I think in many ways the uniformed military may help save us from this president and his lame people like Hegson because I think their commitment is to the Constitution and obviously not to Trump and I expect Bradley to adhere to that. It's frustrating. We discussed this with the first clip. What's so dinged, we discussed this with the first clip. What's so dangerous about this is everything they say you can always have plausible deniability. You can say they're not directly advocating these things. And we would of course get frustrated when they would try to abuse laws in our direction to try to take, you know,

debatable statements. But it is incredibly reckless behavior. The president is the commander in chief of the armed forces. He calls the shots. And when you are sewing discord in this way, where you're just coming out and laying out here, oh, man, we really think, we think these uniformed service members could really help us prevent bad things from this administration. They're laying the groundwork for a constitutional crisis. They are, in my opinion, their intent is clear, whether they're calling for instruction or not, they clearly think that would be a politically useful thing. And that's an incredibly selfish behavior to do. it's an incredibly destructive behavior to do because at that point, you practically don't have a country. There are a lot of countries, a lot of countries in Latin America, that a lot of countries

around the world that have just become for decades dysfunctional because they have a military that decides it just calls the shots independent of its actual elected leadership. And Donald Trump is the actual elected leadership of the United States military. You know, we're talking about Venezuela here too before he became the head of his country, Hugo Chavez, he tried to take over through the old-fashioned military coup d'etat away. That is what happens in countries that are breaking down. Yeah, I mean, so let's put together the step by step process here, just for the sake of the audience here, Blake, we've got step one is release a video by the seditious six saying, please, military, you know, refuse to obey what they said was illegal orders. But what's an illegal

order? What are they even mentioning? What are they? And they say, Oh, we're trying to head this off at the past. We're just reminding them of their duty. So they say, please ignore these orders. Step two, go on a media tour when you get called out and play the victim. Step three is, oh, whoops, here's a Washington Post anonymously sourced article that suggests that Secretary of War Pete Hegseth is guilty of committing war crimes by bombing these narco-terrorist boats in the Caribbean.

in. And then here we go. Now they're saying step five, step four, say, oh, you might get prosecuted if you do illegal things. And we're really, this is a really terrible place to be putting our armed uniform military personnel in such a, it's such a bind that it shouldn't be up to them. This president is such a mean, terrible president. Secretary Hexeth has to go. And now they're saying that, oh, well, guess what? The military could save us. So you are seating the ground for a military coup d'etat, as you said, a military junta, and this is something

we've seen in, Blake, what's funny about this is you have been the most loud voice in the room just about every time I can remember of talking about the third worldization of the United States government, of our customs and our norms, of our institutions,

and we all sort of thought, you know what, they're not going to touch the military, they can't, there's too much discipline, there's too much, there's too much tradition and heritage, there's There's too much there. They can't overtake that, especially with the type of people to go in the military. And here they are going straight for it. And it almost feels like a game of political chicken. Like Mark Kelly, Senator Warner and now, they're daring people to restore the chain of command, which is the president, the civil authority, duly elected by the people of the United States to command the armed forces. It's a game of chicken. They're saying, we come at us. I dare you to make me a martyr here. I dare you to prosecute me. And that's, it is one of those frustrating things because I've argued, I don't, I think it probably would be a mistake, certainly for Mark Kelly, who's the one they've, you know, made, thrown the most signals at. I think it would be very dicey. We have a best example to go off of, which is

the attempt to imprison Donald Trump in 2023 and 2024 paved the way for him to return to the White House. It was one of the most important factors. Trying to imprison your opponents has a lot of downsides to it. And I think they may even be realizing that. They may be trying to provoke the president into making a mistake. And I still lean that way, but I still think what they're doing is incredibly reckless, incredibly harmful, incredibly bad for the country, and we're going to have to keep saying so. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.