The Charlie Kirk Show - Andy Biggs and Nick Shirley in Phoenix

Episode Date: April 3, 2026

During a recent meeting of Turning Point supporters, Andrew and Blake held on-stage interviews with Arizona's next governor, Andy Biggs, followed by "Quality Learing Center" fraud scourge Nick Shirley. Biggs talks about his combination of conservative bona fides and electability, while Shirley takes questions from the audience on building a nationwide anti-fraud network, being a guest at the State of the Union, and more. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com!    Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And he, you know, people don't know this about your congressman maybe, but he was flying in coach, just like I was, although he had an aisle seat and I was stuck in a middle seat. And we kept talking across the aisle the whole time. And, you know, you see Andy on Fox News, and he's very serious, and he's, you know, he's kind of a, He's a policy walk. He understands the ins and outs of government really well. And you don't always get to see how warm and gregarious is. And all these people kept walking by and wanted to shake his hand. And he would just always had time for them. And I clocked it because it's very, very telling about the character of a man, how he is when the cameras are not on them. And so it's a true honor.

You are a friend. You are a friend of the organization. You are a friend of Charlie's. And we are behind you, obviously, 100% in this state. He's going to be the next governor of the state of Arizona if we have something to do about it. Thanks, Andrew. Thank you very much. By the way, we talk so much, this is the last thing I'll say, that the gal sitting in between us was like, do you want me to move?

And I was like, no, please don't give up your aisle seat for this middle seat. Andy, tell the audience about who you are. Who is Andy Biggs? Because we know you in Congress. We know you on Fox News. But tell us, you know, how'd you end up here? That's a long story. A series of misdecision probably took me to Congress.

But I was born and raised here, and I grew up in a politically active family, Andrew. And they were active at the grassroots level, just like everybody in this conference is today. And so they would – my mom would write letters to the editor, right? And we lived in Tucson, so Tucson wasn't really. really conservative, it's still not. And it's even worse today. But anyway, so she would draw fire. And back in those days, when you wrote a letter to the editor, your home address was included if you remember this. I don't know if you remember. And I had a car. It was an Oldsmobile 98, 1968, 1961. It was bigger than this room that we're in. It wouldn't even fit in the driveway.

And I would park it on the side, and I knew my mom had been on the radio or TV or the newspaper because People would come and try to throw eggs at our house over the car, but they couldn't make it. So my car was egged, spray painted with swear words. They stole my battery. The police officer would come at a door, two in them. Anyway, so I said, I will never, ever be involved in politics. She was too ugly. And then I met my wife to be at a political event on a blind date.

and we fell in love and got married just a few months after that and Andrew the rest is kind of political history so your wife was a part of a political family yes you also your mom and your dad were activists basically local on the local level it was in your DNA so even though you said you weren't going to do it you you were just drawn to it like a moth to the flame weren't you yeah yeah yeah pretty much And I've had the same reaction as a moth to the flame has been largely.

But no, I got a call one day. We moved into Gilbert, Arizona. At the time, it was about 9,000 people. And somebody called me. A new neighbor calls me and says, hey, Andy, are you, you know, is so-and-so your mom? And I said, yes. It's so-and-so your mother-in-law. And I said, yes.

And he said, well, there's a political meeting. He says, you're probably pretty interested in politics. I said, no. No, I know I'm not. And he said, we're going to, we're going to. We're having a political meeting tonight where you come. And so we went. And it was, oh my gosh, Andrew, it was like half the room, didn't like this half of the room.

It's kind of like our party today. This half didn't like this half. And it was better than reality TV. I mean, that's what it was. And we just stood there, and media was there. There was a legislative district meeting. And we left, and we had a good time. And he called me the next month.

You want to go again? Okay. And then that's how we got sucked into it, right? and before too long he's the president or chairman of the of the local district and I'm the secretary and that's that's just how it is we just were in you know if you show up people ask you do something and if you're if you do it you're reliable and they will trust you to do more and that's really kind of what happened it's a great lesson for folks that want to get involved in politics just show up get involved at the local level that was charlie's admonition to young people that wanted to get

involved in politics all the time, get involved with the campaign, by the way, get involved with Biggsfor-Governor. Biggsfor-Governor.com. Yep, absolutely. So you were a lawyer, though, as well. Yes. So how long, you were practicing attorney before you ended up joining the state ledge? Yeah, so, Andrew, Andrew knows all my story, almost, but I was practicing law, and I chose to retire pretty early, but I started doing some international work on behalf of pro-life, pro-family NGOs at multilaterals. And I was still active, and there was a redistricting. I mean, that's what happened, the decennial census came out. And now we didn't have a state representative here. And I was asked to run, and we prayed about it and felt like I should. And I ran in 2000.

and one and took my first office in the state legislature in 2003. Wow. So, you know, I have a theory. It's going to sound like a negative towards you, Andy, but it's actually a positive. So I have a theory that a lot of congressmen do not make great governors. And the reason is because it's different being a CEO of a state than it is being part of a deliberative body. But one of the highlights of your career that I think is worth highlighting is the fact

that you were actually. involved deeply and intimately at the state level. So tell us about your history of the state led. So if you want a governor, you want a governor that knows how to pull the levers of power, knows how to work within the state system, knows how to get bills passed, understands the utilities, understands the minutia of local government. You ended up becoming the president of the Senate here in the state of Arizona before going to D.C.

Tell us about your time there, what you learned, what you're going to glean from that experience. Yeah, I think that is really going to be helpful. Because of my position of Senate president, I also was essentially writing the state budget. So I know the lines. I know I know what we're going to spend and I know kind of where this is going. But I worked with two different Republican governors. And so we had that interaction. But without getting into the details too much, what I can just tell you is there's a

reason so many current and former legislators endorsements because I'm pretty open and communicate, let people come into my office. And Katie Hobbs was, for Pete's sake, the current governor was the minority leader when I was there for a while. And she'd come into my office every week and we would talk about the stuff. But the bottom line is, if you know the process and you know the policy and you were willing to collaborate, you can get so much done as the governor. And that's, that's really what we're going to do. Yeah, amen to that. So, Let's talk about Arizona. Arizona is a remarkable state.

It is, you know, Charlie, for those of you who know the story, was actually born in Illinois, and he obviously married Erica, who's an Arizonan. And every time we would fly back into Arizona, though, this was the state that he chose to make his home. He would just, I have so many memories of this. He would just say, oh, look at that, how beautiful it is. And I was like, Charlie, it's very dry. It's kind of brown. And he's like, oh, it's great.

It's like 95% of the days in sun. It's wonderful. You know, he just loved this state and the spirit of the people. What is the spirit of Arizona that you know? That, you know, this is a purple state, right? We've got Gallego. We've got Mark Kelly. We've got Hobbs, the governor.

What is this real spirit of Arizona? Well, so the purpleness is really an aberration in my mind. Because what this, this state really was a, historically, it was for rugged individuals who would come out and make their way. They weren't looking for government to kind of take care of them. But, I mean, the spirit of the state still remains strong that way. I mean, you look at it, we're still a center-right state. And when you start looking at it, like our water situation, no other state in the country

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Things are not going as well currently. You had a, you had a bunch of tweets, a series of tweets where you mentioned that Arizona has fallen into the bottom five as far as wage growth, the bottom five of new job growth. We've got a housing issue. What are the top three, four, whatever issues that you see plaguing the state of Arizona? Well, first of all, we've lost the American dream here in this state, perhaps across the country in many ways.

So the first issue for me is to restore that, and that means that you have to facilitate and create an atmosphere where young people or new families, can buy a single family home and be able to afford to buy that home. Now, why is that? Because when people buy this home for the first time, they form families, right? And when you form families, that's when you keep your culture, your society, your history. Without that, we're going to have a problem. So for us to facilitate that, that means we have to fix a water situation. That's tough. We have to fix our power grid situation, which is tough. By the way, these are not unique to

Arizona. These are system-wide. But we need to fix those things. At the same time, we still have across our southern border the most porous human trafficking sector in the country. So you want to make sure that people can afford to buy homes in a safe neighborhood, but you also want them to be safe so where they can go, feel comfortable taking their family out. And you're not, you not going to be worried about fentanyl coming into your high schools. So for us, for me, you start working on the American Dream with the housing, but you also start working on the American dream to make sure that you're shutting down areas of the border that are still kind of porous because of unique circumstances in Arizona's. Arizona's terrain, some governmental entities that we

have here. Once you start doing those two things, then you start remembering, we want every parent to be able to be influential in the educational experience of their child. No more boys in girls' sports or girls' locker rooms, no more grooming behind parents' backs. We're going to work on that, but we're going to make sure that Arizona's educational choice, which is the best in the country, is available for every student. So we're not just teaching them to read and write and do math,

the grade level, we want them to be able to also understand our history, come out as great citizens, and be able to get good jobs. Yeah. We call it the 3Ms, marriage, mortgage, and mating. They're called conservatizing life events. Yes. I remember actually coming up with the 3Ms with Charlie. I saw it in a Brookings Institute study where they realized, oh, shoot, if young people get married

and they get a mortgage and they start having kids, they're going to turn into Republicans. And we've got to stop this. So, but ironically, that is the American dream. So you talk about housing. How do you make housing more affordable? So we have a problem in the West, as many people know. For instance, in Arizona, of property ownership, in Arizona, only 18% of the fifth largest state in the country is in private hands. The rest of it is controlled by government entity, state, or federal.

And that means that, for instance, in the Phoenix metro area, you have whole swathes. of land which would be normally suitable to build single family homes on, what you're getting instead is a dormant asset because it's sitting there being owned by the federal or state government.

So you have to open that up and 25% of development in Arizona is usually the land cost. But the other thing is you reduce cost about 30% of it is permitting. Seriously, yeah. 30%. Yeah, in Arizona. So you have to make sure

you take care of the regulatory environment that's in place. And when you take care of those two things right there, all of a sudden, the cost of, say, a first-time home becomes rational and affordable, and that's really what you want to do. What about business investment, job growth, wage growth? How do you bring that back to this state? Well, what we've done is we're competing now with states that have reduced their income tax either to zero or even below ours. Ours is two and a half, half percent flat. So you have to give a better tax structure and you have to reduce the regulatory environment. So it's not just housing that's taking four years to get from flat to dirt. It's taking that long on all kinds of businesses and you have to facilitate that. And where we do facilitate it,

we see jobs come in. So we recently did one for a group called Hadrian out of L.A. County. and they came in, and they're hiring 350 Arizonans to work in that high-tech manufacturing plant. Those are the two basic things there. And by the way, it isn't about giving subsidies and it isn't about giving tax credits. It's about reducing that load, government interference load, on the entire market.

And then you have a better marketplace for everybody. So there's a very boring election happening that genuinely, but all of a sudden it's garnered national attention in recent weeks. And that is something called SRP, right? The Salt River Project, right? And it's the largest utility in the country, I believe, or the largest private utility in the country. Yeah, it is a cooperative. It's a really, yeah, public private.

It's kind of a quasi government. You say quasi? I did. I'm a quasi guy. Is it quazzi for quasi? Quasimoto. Yeah, hold on. I'm just saying.

Hands raised for Quasi. Do you say it Quasi? Ah, see, we got one. Two? Am I alone in this? Yeah, hands up for quasi. So, so everybody who says quasi, how many of you are from north of Arizona or from outside of Arizona?

No, I think it's, wait. Yeah, everybody. See, there you go. If you're from Arizona, it's a lawyer. He found it like a loophole here. Yeah, this is a local issue. apparently. This is kind of like, this is how we know if you're a spy from another state.

You're going to come in and say, it's a quasi. It's a quasi thing. So I do want to talk about this, actually. I was thinking about bringing it before, but hold on. You're going to be distracted. SRP. All right, hold on. So we're getting involved in this election, or this, you know, I think it's April 5th.

It's coming up. Turning point action has gotten involved in it. and all this national media tension is coming into it because there's the California Green Agenda, the Green New Deal, Green New Scam agenda is trying to infiltrate into the state of Arizona. Explain why it's, again, this is wonky, but it's important. It's the price of energy, the price of water, how we're approaching these things. How important is that SRP election to what you plan to do as governor? It's absolutely, it's like at the tops.

We got to take care of this. And here's why, because SRP is a power and water company. So when I talked about the lakes that were built and basically the rivers that were tamed, that was SRP doing that over 100 years ago, over 100 years ago. And we still, they still move a lot of water, they still move a lot of power. And what we're seeing is at the ACC, these groups that are coming in, they want to rely on the Green New Deal stuff. And they want to increase the amount of solar and wind, which is less reliable, more expensive. Ugly.

Ugly. And, I mean, the wind turbines, actually, in northeast Arizona, there are private groups that are trying to come in and put up to 8,000 wind turbines up in the... 8,000. 8,000. And what that does is those are pollutants when they run their course, because they don't live forever. When they run the course, they actually pollute the land underneath them. So if you want to get power stability and make sure that you move to a cheaper form of power, you have to acknowledge that clean coal.

Arizona's got some clean coal. We actually have that resource. We also have some of those facilities. China's doing, I heard this morning, 100 per week. That seems astounding of coal plants. So you have the coal. Then you have natural gas refining. That's clean.

It's cheap. It's something that we can get and move very quickly and it's efficient. And the third thing is the movement to nuclear. A lot of people don't realize this, but until Georgia recently opened their nuclear plant, the Palaverdi nuclear plant west of town here was the largest nuclear facility in the United States. And now we're moving to SMRs, which this is the wonkiness you don't want me to get to. I'm sorry.

We'll get through this very soon, I promise. This is important. But to move to the nuclear small modular reactors, President Trump is trying to get nine of those placed in different facilities, military installations, so that they're up and running by the end of 2027. I don't know if that's doable, but what happens, we're trying to get one at Luke,

some of us in the delegation. If we can get something there and you start making that scalable, all of a sudden it changes the entire dynamics for where we're going, because where are we going, you're seeing a tremendous increase in the demand for power and water. And by the way,

we went from about, 1970s having roughly maybe a million and a half to two million people, maybe a little bit more than that, from the early 70s to today where we're 7.5 million people in the state, and guess what? We use the same amount of water because of the way we manage our water resources. And you don't want to turn that over to the Green New Deal folks because they don't like people. They just don't like people. And I'm not kidding when I say that. And we like people, and we like growth, and we like the economic opportunities that freedom allows.

They want to crush freedom with their authoritarian, basically, policies that they believe will drive people out of Arizona and who knows where. Yeah. This year marks a critical moment for our country. As the opposition grows more aggressive and unapologetic, the fight now reaches into the everyday decisions that we make. Patriot Mobile has been standing on the front lines fighting for freedom for more than 12 years. They don't just deliver top-tier wireless service. They're activists like me, like you, who truly care about our country. Patriot Mobile offers prioritized, premium access on all three major U.S. networks,

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972 Patriot. When we talk about the spirit of the state, you've had a lot of people coming from California. You've had a lot of people coming from other places, Illinois. So what is your message to them as you're trying to win their votes in the state, the newcomers to the state? What's your vision that you want to pitch to them? Well, I think regardless of where you're coming from and what your political vision is you want to be able to afford to live. you want to be able to afford to have good housing. You want to be able to buy food,

and you want to be able to get around. And there's no place better than that than Arizona. We provide all that. But what will happen is when you get me as the governor with a great legislature, it will become easier for you in all of those things. But it isn't just that. They want the same things we want.

They may not know why they want them and they may not logically see the consistency with our policies and getting what they want. But the reality is they want to make sure they're free too. Most of them, the people that are going to vote in this election, they want to be free too. So how many of you guys have heard, you know, you can't have too conservative of a candidate on the ballot, they can't When, have you guys heard something along that lines? Yeah. Yeah, you've heard.

Yeah, I've heard that. So, Andy, Congressman. Yeah. What is your message, what do you say to that when people say, Congressman Biggs is, he's too much of a conservative. He's too rock-ribed. What's your answer to that? Well, I always tell him that, you know, I'm one of the Republicans that votes against his party. number three for voting against my party, so I really am independent, okay?

By the way, this is true. We were looking at that. Yeah, it's true. But beyond that, I remind them that if I'm speaking to an independent, I just remind them, I ask them what it is that they're looking for in the state that they live in. What is it you really want? And sooner or later, we want good education for our kids. We want the opportunities. We want our kids to be safe. We want our kids, we want to be able to have medical freedom, medical choice. Oddly enough, that's the Maha movement. So when we start finding these points of confluence where we agree, man, they come along. They're going to come along. And then I always remind my Republican doubters, I say, hey, guess what? You know, Donald Trump wasn't supposed to win this in 2024, but he won this

state because we got out the vote with the help of TP action, Citizens Alliance, and others. We got the vote out and we ended up winning and Donald Trump won by the biggest margin in the country for a battleground state. And I would say that if you want to tank the enthusiasm of the base, nominate a squish, nominate somebody that doesn't stand for anything. So midterms are a turnout exercise. It's all about how many of your base voters you can turn out and you need enthusiasm. You need to be offering real solutions to the problems. So I would just, that's my pushback. if you agree.

Well, you're absolutely right. I give that to the Republicans, to the independents. They want to know where do you agree and can you deliver on that. So they want to think that's where we get to. They want safety for their kids. They want education for their kids. They want to make sure that they can get a stable job, making a decent wage. They want to be able to get safe housing.

And in the end, people, people. People live where the lifestyle is the best for them, and they chose to be here. And they're going to like it here under a Biggs administration. Andy Biggs for governor, you are the best, genuinely. Can we do some Q&A? Do we have time? Yeah. If you guys have questions for Congressman Biggs, please just want to do it.

Just raise their hand. Yeah, raise your hand. Now, Andrew, here's the important part. I always say you can ask me any question you'd like, and then I'll decide if I'm going to answer it. So feel, I want you to feel free. We've got a couple here. It's hard to see you guys with the lights on it. We know that Arizona has had some voter fraud.

Are you concerned about that? Yeah, the question is, am I concerned about voter fraud in Arizona? Yes and no, and I'll tell you why it's yes and no. First of all, I am concerned about it, but I know that, like in Maricopa County, which has had problems, Both the county board and the county recorder newly elected, they're, they have a little bit of chafing at each other, but they're trying to put it in place. I know them all. They're trying to give us the best election they possibly can. That's number one.

Number two is I remember what happened in 2024 with President Trump winning, and we expanded the majority of Republicans in both the House and Senate. And in some respects, I'm relying on making it too big to rig. again, getting out that base, getting out that vote, and when we do that, because it is a turnout election, I think we win not only closely, we win going away, because we're going to turn out our voters. Yeah. Hello. Do you have any plans for restoring academic integrity to Arizona?

Oh, do I have any plans for restoring academic integrity? So here's the way to think of it. We are perpetually at the bottom of attainment. right. We have, we struggled. And so I'm going to just offer some things that I think work. They worked in Louisiana. They worked in Mississippi, which has always been bottom five in attainment, now in achievement there in the top five. And what they did is they got rid of Common Core. When Arizona said we were going to get rid of Common Core, we just renamed it. That's what we did. And by the way, you do need that institutional history, and I do have that institutional

memory. So we need to eliminate Common Core. And then we need to do what. has worked in Louisiana, Mississippi, and wherever it's been tried. And let's go back to phonics reading, science-based mathematics. And when you do those things, the kids typically respond. They're reading by grade level. And then you make sure that you have a good history and they're reminding kids of what it's like to live in a free country and how we got to be the greatest nation in the history of the world.

then we will be up there in that top five like Louisiana and Mississippi because they went from we were always grateful because it was you know I can't remember who it was always number one but the other other 47 states were tied at 49th and then and then Mississippi and Louisiana down at 50 we were grateful for those two but now they've shown us the way to do it and that is the way to do it would you keep I think the Mississippi miracle by the way yeah they've they've It's been widely reported. They'll keep a lot of the students back if they're not making grade level and reading.

Is that something you would do here? Yeah, social promotion can't. You don't want to stigmatize the child, but believe me, you are stigmatizing the child more by granting social promotion and putting him in a position where, I mean, I just was reading about a graduate of an Ivy League college who graduated and could not read. So it is important for us to not socially promote, but instead make sure. we have educational attainment. So that child will have much more self-esteem

when they can read and write and do math at grade level, which is where their peers are. That's what's critical. And so, yeah. And the other thing I would say, if you wanted, you need to understand, we have three of the top 10-rated high schools in the country are right here in Arizona.

We need to keep the educational choice going in Arizona. If we protect that, we will have great outcomes. I will have this be the last question. Thank you. You mentioned what Arizonians want, and I want to know how you plan on doing those things, the affordable housing, the education, the water, the electrical.

Do you have those plans implemented, and is there a website where we can see how you have drawn out those plans? So I do have plans in every one of those areas, and I'm not sure we have it reflected on our website in every one of those areas. But I've already talked about education here briefly, and I've talked about water. I can talk about water for hours. But in particular, you need to know that we have to save the system, the entire system. And if we fail to do that, then Arizona will have a problem. We are being hosed right now by the current...

administration, there's a real problem between the upper basin states and the lower basin states, and I've been leading the fight in Washington, D.C. with my colleagues to make sure Arizona gets a better shake at that. And so that's that on power. I've already talked about that briefly. How the move is going to be towards, ultimately moving towards SMRs, because that will give us a broader range of power. I can't remember where. what else you asked, other policy areas. Did he get everything that you were asking about? Affordable housing.

I've already talked about that. Permitting. Yeah, you have to deal with permitting the scarcity of land, which is artificial in the state, and deal with that. Without getting too wonky on that, I mean, there are ways to actually deal with that that actually benefit K-12 education

and the economy and lower can help make housing more affordable. Great. Congressman Andy Biggs, the great Andy Biggs, the next governor of the state of Arizona. Thank you, Andrew. Thank you, everyone. All right, this might seem weird coming from somebody who's a little bit younger, but if you are about to turn 65 or if you're already on Medicare, this message is for you. You see, Charlie cared a lot about America's seniors, and he was outraged that so many were paying too much for their Medicare coverage and getting less than they deserved in return.

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It's my turn. We just had an event here in Phoenix, the same one, or Andrew was interviewing Andy Biggs. We also welcomed Nick Shirley, Somali Fraud, Exploder, extraordinaire. Leering Center. The Learing Center man. We welcomed him out to Arizona to speak in front of some of our supporters. And we had an interview, which dived into his work. A lot of people really enjoyed it.

It was a fun conversation. We hope all of you enjoy it as well. Hello, everybody. All righty. Well, welcome, Nick. Thank you for coming out. Yeah, I'm super happy to be here. All right. I was saying just before we got in that we already owe him a lot. He did force us to abandon an initiative we were planning to launch. We can't launch Learing Point USA anymore. We had to look for a new name for that one, but I think it's all worth it. Yeah, it would be a real shame if the kids couldn't leer anymore, but.

Yeah. Well, welcome out here. And I think, Just to start off, I was looking at some of your more recent tweets, and obviously you're known for your documentary stuff, your investigative work, but you had a normal post just the other day, and I want to read it because I think it really speaks to the influence that I know Charlie has had on you and a lot of other people, so let me bring it up here. And what you said was,

the more time I spend on X and around politics, I realize how easy it is for people to complain. very few people actually do the thing. I would much rather actively be trying to do something than just complaining without bringing a solution. And I know that is very much something that Charlie would say all the time. He was all about being the change that you seek in the world. So I know you're also iconic for being one of the final guests in our show

before the tragedy that happened in Utah. So can you just tell us a bit about the impact Charlie had on your life? and outlook. Yeah, I had a lot of respect for Charlie because of what he's done. And every time I'd go to like Amfest or even coming here today to see what he built, what he has built and the people that he's been able attract around him speaks to the person he was. And the reason I made that post is because I'm going out doing so much and people like Charlie did so much. And it's so easy for us to go out and do so much and to actually go to the place, talk about it, put our money where our mouth is. and then there's so many people who just want to complain

and attack the people that are actually doing the doing. And so, yeah, I kind of get, sometimes I get kind of fed up when I get on the internet and I see people always just like complaining and complaining without ever bringing any solution. And so right before I tweeted that, I had seen that Gavin Newsom was blaming Trump for his disaster of a state of California.

And I said, how are you supposed to blame Trump for this when you're the one who's pushed all the billionaires out of your state? You let $24 billion go unaccounted for, and you're complaining about taxes, But he has the highest tax on gas in the United States. But all that's Trump's fault. And so I was saying, well, you're the governor, like, take ownership.

And I think Charlie's a perfect example of someone who takes ownership, and he sees a problem. He would actually go and do something about it. I mean, he dedicated his whole entire life to helping make America great and making America a better place to live. And so me and myself, I want to do the same thing, whether it's going and doing these videos and showing people and highlighting what's actually happening.

in bringing a solution to some of these problems. People say, well, Nick, you're complaining by making that tweet. I'm like, no, I'm not. I'm telling you guys what's happening, and then I have actually posted a video every single week to show you what's going on. That's why you guys are actually interacting with me because I'm creating these conversations. Exactly, exactly.

And I think it's very common to run into people who say, I'd love to help out once I have the right job or once I've finished the right program, once I've moved to the right town. but I think you've shown exactly what is possible, which is you can basically take a smartphone and go to the right spot and ask the right questions and get 150 million views on X.

So I think that is the next natural question. I know there's a lot of people a lot like you who are in their late teens, early 20s. They love to ask that general question, how can I do what you do? And so let's imagine. Let's imagine there's someone out here in Phoenix or in a town like Los Angeles.

and they've seen, it seems there's a lot of fraud out there, it seems like there's a lot of waste, it seems like there's a lot of corruption. They have a smartphone. What should they do next to take action? Yeah, I think the most important thing is going to the location, going to the source. A lot of people don't want to go to the source of where the...

No one wants to go outside. Nobody wants to go outside. So if you're angry about your governor, you're angry about the leering center in your neighborhood, maybe go to the place and do your research and say, okay, let's go see if I can talk to the person and have those conversations to actually see what's happening. I will admit I was when I was driving up here, I did pass by a place that was prominently labeled as a Phoenix Autism Center.

And it did enter my mind. Oh, is that one of those? And I don't know. I don't know about that one. It might be legitimate. People, if they start going around your towns and you notice there's like these learning centers or these autism centers. you're going to realize there's no cars in the parking lot,

and every time you drive by them, there's actually no cars there. So this is like a whole fraud system that's in every state in the United States. But going back to your question about what someone could actually do if they want to do something. Well, I think you have to go do the doing, obviously, but you have to go to the source, and you have to be not afraid to speak on things for what they are. I think nowadays a lot of things that actually aren't controversial

are becoming controversial, like the topic of friends. I think it should not be controversial. That fraud is bad no matter who's committing it. The fact that men are in girls' sports, they were born with a whole different thing. You know what I mean? So how's that even controversial? Or the fact that people get mad that we deport illegal migrants,

the words illegal. And so a lot of controversial things are becoming, a lot of things that aren't controversial are becoming controversial. So you have to have the courage to speak on the non-controversial issues that have now become controversial. controversial and saying for what they are. So true, so true. And is your step one when you're going to a new destination, like when you're landing in Minnesota

and you want to go to the daycare centers or whatever follow-up business you're looking at, is it as simple as look them up on Google Maps and start just going to each one? It's a little bit more complicated than that. You got to do your research. So I had known about that fraud in Minnesota since last June, for instance. I have been gathering information on it. And then the man in the video, David. How did that unfold?

just went there and people were telling you about it. Yeah, I went and did a video in last June about the rise of Islam and the Somali population inside Minnesota because people were telling you about it. And then all the Minnesotans were like, finally someone's here to make a video about the fraud. I said, what fraud? And people, one lady called me for two hours.

I got stuck in a gas station parking lot for two hours talking this lady. And she would not hang up. And I'm like, okay, but do you know about this one? I'm like, okay, thank you very much. And then she kept going. And then the next day she planned a bunch of it people for me to interview, and they all backed out because they were too scared to speak out against the fraud

and so I was like, okay, well there's something here. I had known about it and then the man David who had been gathering information for years because they didn't want to release the money numbers to the public. And a lot of these places won't. Like, for instance, if you try to get the auditing for California, let's just say if I think the only one I could find

was from 2023. They don't even want to give you from 2024 because then people could go and do these investigations and actually right now they're like taking down parts of their websites to help you filter and search throughout stuff. In Minnesota, that same exact thing when I did the video on the fraud. They literally crashed down the website, like at the heat of it to try and hide the fraud. Have you faced any other backlash from the left?

Have they threatened you with lawsuits? Have they tried to basically tell you you're not allowed to do this? No, because what I'm doing is true. Like, I'm going after, like, what are they going to sue me for, calling out the layering center? I mean, the layering center literally packed up their bags and left. I have to say, I really admire, as a guy who was a journalist myself, anyone who has an explicit scalp, so to speak, someone they took down. And I think you have, to your credit, you took down, I think the politician I think I might personally detest more than anyone else.

As a guy who's from the Midwest, I really don't like Tim Walls. He's the exact type of person that I just really don't like as a Democrat. How does it feel to have that to your credit, I think? It's a nice trophy to have. Do you get emails? Do people from Minnesota contact you and say, like, thank you. You've liberated us until the next Democrat takes office? Yes, people were very, very happy that Tim Walts decided to step down.

And that also just goes and proves that what I was doing was true and correct because why would he step down if there actually wasn't anything to be hiding from? and so that was one of my favorite things when he started calling me like a, he called me like a far-right conspiracy theorist, and then he called me a delusional far-right conspiracy theorist, and then he said I was like, what he say, he said, he said a lot of things, but I think he said, like racist, like, yeah, he called us like all racist or whatnot for going after the fraud,

and that's the reason why people were not able to speak out, or too afraid to speak out because your governor would then call you racist or a delusional conspiracy theorist for speaking out against the thing that made him drop out of reelection. Sort of about how it started how it's going sort of thing for him. Yeah, it's a bad hill to die on. Listen, if faith and values are important to you, they should be a part of how you date. It's that simple. Not something you figure out later when you're like three, four months down the road in a relationship.

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where do you next want to see where it's going? Yeah, so after the Minnesota video, I got a lot of death threats because I literally took down like a billion dollar enterprise that was taking place. And so people get killed over millions of dollars. Billions of dollars is a little bit more risky to even expose. So after I did that, I did a video on in California fraud, the voting fraud, and just how easy it is for people to vote. So I said, okay, maybe I'll get a little less death threats, but this week I'm coming back out,

exposing millions and maybe billions of dollars in California. So now I'm ready for even more. Can you tell us what the industry is this time? Or any preview you can give us, or is that a secret? Well, if you look at California, their budgets that keep going up for their thing called Medi-Cal. Every year it goes up by the billions. There's not millions more people coming in, so it has something to do with that. just goes up every year.

Yeah, like it literally goes up exponentially every single year, like literally billions of dollars. Yeah, you know, if I could have a recommendation, I was reading about this myself. So New York and Florida have pretty similar populations. And in fact, Florida overtook New York, thanks to COVID. And Florida's pretty famous for having a lot of older people there. They like to retire there. New York spends three times as much on Medicaid as Florida does. Like New York City alone, which is crazy.

and I think like you're seeing in these Democrat cities that charge the most in taxes, but then their quality of living is actually the worst and they have the most amount. Like they're always in debt. Like most states are in debt, but these states are always like talking about, oh, we need this much more,

we need to tax this much more. And I think if they were actually taxed less, it would incentivize businesses to actually run profitable businesses versus relying on the government, which would actually help eliminate a lot of their waste and their debt because they're always trying, to tax more, and yet they just raise their budgets by the billions, and if they were to have

more of a competitive way of doing business, they wouldn't have to be so reliant upon the government. And I'm not like some genius or anything, but I think that just makes sense. Like, if you're going to open a business, before you do it, figure out how to make it profitable. Exactly, exactly. Novel idea. Or I guess you can just get taxpayers to pay for it every single time. Exactly, and that's the problem in all these states, is they just want to rely upon the government, let's raise taxes, let's raise taxes, but then they're actually never making money. Like, the only money they're making is from us, but not from the person who's buying their product

or the service they're providing. A lot of these places don't actually provide the service. How did you originally get started on this? What was the first video you made that made you think, like, I'm going to be a guy who makes political videos for? Well, the first one, it's funny because Congressman Biggs was here. I had been to Amfest in 2023. I saw some things saying, oh, Patriots are going to be uniting here at Phoenix, Arizona.

I was like, oh, this will be a good time to go interview some like redneck hillbillies. Maybe this will be interesting to go talk to some people. And then I got there, I was like, oh, like, oh, all these people are so cool. They're just here because they want the best for America. Were you more towards the center or even on the left then? No, I had, I liked, I was a Trump, I've always liked Trump. Like, I remember watching The Apprentice with my grandpa. I was like, like, so I always liked, but I thought, like, Amfest, like, oh, this is like some place where the rednecks are coming and we're all going to join in, like,

have a big old Maga party. And I was like, okay, this will be some funny interviews, I guess. And then I get there, I'm like, yeah, these people are all cool. And then I start hearing about the border. And my mom had been talking about the border for a long time because I was on the mission trip for our church. So for two years, I was pretty much not, like, I wasn't really paying attention much to the news. And then I learned Spanish on that mission trip. And then I talked to everyone at Amfest and like, oh, the border is really bad. And so I went down to the border all by myself and I had no idea what's going on. I set up a tripod and I started interviewing people as they're coming across the board. Did you tell your mom about this before you did that? Yeah, I just told

them like, I'm just going to spend one more a day in Phoenix. And so I go down there. And I go down there. And so this is answering your question about how I kind of got into this, seeing this corruption. And so I get down there, and all these migrants are, like, celebrating coming across the border. I'm like, in my car, I'm like, oh, my gosh, these people are coming across. Like, I'm like, wait, why aren't they running? And then I get over there, and they're, like, celebrating. They're, like, hopping in camera. I'm like, what the heck is going on?

And since I could speak Spanish to them, they start telling me everything. And then I'm like, oh, wow, this is going to be, like, a very interesting video. And then 10 minutes later, Congressman Biggs drives by with some other guy. They're like, do you guys know, who are you out? What are you doing? Don't you know there's a cartel war on the other side? I'm like, what? And there was like an active cartel war going on the other side.

But meanwhile, these migrants are like celebrating. I'm like giving them like food. I'm like, are you guys starving? Like you guys been walking for a while? Meanwhile, they had just been like trafficked over by the cartel and they were going to go hop in the van to then get put into a detention. I don't even think that you call it a detention facility here. And then that same night.

Welcome facility, probably. Yeah, like a welcome facility. And then that same day, I got one of the ladies' phone rooms. Like, okay, well, I want to make sure you're all right. And the next day she's somehow in New York City. I'm like, whoa, what's going on here? And so that kind of just started this snowball of me, like, tracking down the migrant crisis and seeing, like, government corruption.

And that was one of the first people to ever expose, like, and have a migrant say, yeah, I've been living. in this hotel in New York City for seven months for completely free. And nobody knew that. So I started just to see how corrupt things were. And then once you see how corrupt one side of it is, and it just happens to be the most of the corruption happening from the Democrats. And so then I just kept going to more and more places, and it just unraveled itself into what it is now. Did you know the president was going to shout out your work during the state of the union? That was pretty cool. That was pretty cool.

the Somali fraudsters, the pirates. Yeah, they definitely had it coming for them. It's funny, I actually was like hoping I was going to see Ilhan Omar there. And so I got invited to the state of the union. And they put Ilhan Omar's guests right behind me. And so I'm like looking just down at the chamber. And then I hear some Somalian language. And I look back and it's Ilhan Omar.

And yeah, I really want to say hi to her. but I don't think she wanted to say hi back. All right. Nobody knows that. Nobody, I haven't told that story before yet. I was, like, super eager to say hi to her, but, yeah, I don't think she wanted to say hi. Would that be, like, the white whale investigation if you could finally get 100% to the bottom of the whole brother thing? Ooh.

Yeah, I mean, I think it's already confirmed that she did marry her brother. Pretty much. I think it's pretty likely at this point, but... Very likely. I think if she got deported, that would be like the biggest, like, W out of this whole entire thing. I really do think a lot of people want to see that happen as well. Because at the State of the Union, for instance, this was the most telling thing of the whole entire thing for me. Because I'm sitting on the top of the chamber, all the congressmen, congresswoman are down there.

And there's only really one topic where everybody stood up about, and that was about condemning political violence when they mentioned Charlie Kirk. And there's only her. and I think one other person didn't stand up. So even the rest of the Democrats stood up, but she wouldn't. And so that's very telling about the true person she is if she's not even able to condemn political violence. In fact, she actually incites it after her frauds expose. She goes and tells everyone to go protest.

And so she is very not much a benefit for this country. Like she's not a benefit at all. All right. Well, I saw what a celebrity you are with all of the people here, certainly more so than me, Probably because you have a much better hairline than me, I'm sure. But I want to give them a chance to ask a few questions to you. Of course.

So just raise your hand if you have anything, and we'll get the mic to you. Yeah. Obviously, thanks for being here, Nick. Question, you've got a lot of supporters in this room, a lot of influential supporters. How can we help you as you're going on this journey? Okay. So the most important thing is for people to watch the videos, share them. And, I mean, security's not cheap.

and what's up with that. Yeah, you're more than likely to donate. But the most important thing is if you see something in your own city, DM me or email me so I can go and then investigate it because there's so much going on inside this country. Like a lot of you talked to today, we're from California. A few guys were from Minnesota. I'm sorry. Where do we donate?

Just come talk to me, but there's actually a website called support nickshirley.com as well. And I should shout out even your ex account. You actually, you can subscribe to that X. Oh yeah, you can subscribe to me on X. Do you have other subscription stuff? X is the best one because 100% goes to you on like other platforms. Great, great.

Have you ever contemplated having, I don't know, what the term, maybe a farm system? Like, have you ever had a tip and you know, you can't get to that town, but you know someone who's closer to it? Yeah, so right now I'm actually developing a website called antifraudclub.com. And that's what you see this shirt right here. The back of it says anti-fraud taxpayer club. and so I'm actually trying to make it available so people can go inside of their own cities because what I did in California is the HHS actually open up their databases to the public. And so I'm actually trying to figure out a way to come up with like a decentralized version of Doge

and then help other people go out and find the fraud inside their places and then they can then platform it on my site and it's all going to be like completely free for people to use. And then I'm going to teach people essentially how to go. go in and do it. And so that will be cool. Like the site's going to be free, but I think to learn from me, not my charge like a $5 fee or something, but just so I can keep the side up. Hi folks, Andrew Colvette here. I'd like to tell you about my friends over at Y Refi. You've probably been hearing me talk about Y Refi for some time now. We are all in with these guys. If you or someone you know is struggling with private student loan debt, take my advice and give them a

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Hi, Nick. Hello. So I'm a big fan. And I do speak Hillbilly because I'm from Georgia. Oh, good. I like it. There are a couple of us here from Georgia. But we would love for you to come in and expose Fulton County.

I've heard a lot about Fulton County. A few Charlie episodes about that place. So that is a. gerrymandered big section of Atlanta. Okay. And you probably heard the Buckhead, which is the wealthy section, has been trying to separate because they don't get support, but they want Buckhead's money for the city. But they're just layers and layers and layers of corruption and fraud with it,

especially the voter fraud. They have been picking up homeless people, taking them into vote. There have been people, there's a guy that's actually been on Instagram. Hillary, do you know his name? Okay, but he has been going in and he has found that they have, the people that voted were registered at cemeteries, the addresses, at vacant lots. So this is going on in Atlanta,

and we would love for you to come there. Yeah, I think that would be a great video for me to go do, so I'll take you up on that one. Do you have like a, maybe a tier list or a rank list of places you most want to go to that you haven't yet? Yeah, but I got to keep that one a secret. But that's on there. I think that would be really good because in California, for instance,

and I did a video just to show how easy it would be to vote in general without voter ID. This also goes back to me talking about how non-controversial issues have become controversial. There was a lady who registered her dog to vote.

She was Republican. The dog voted twice, once successfully, the second time didn't go successfully, and then she then turned herself in. You had Democrats the next day defending the dog. We're pro-dog people.

We're pro-dog people, but the fact was whether it was a Democrat or Republican, just to show that fact that a dog's registered to vote, you had a person, not even a person, you had thousands of people defending the dog. And they didn't see the issue because it's not a right or left issue,

but because they made a left-right issue, it became one, but they couldn't say that, it's not good that a dog was registered to vote. Would you rather have dogs voting or dead people or illegals? Give us a ranking. I mean, I think a dog would probably be smarter.

But hopefully none of them. Hi, Nick. Nice to see you. Thank you so much for what you do. So quick question. Where did you get your sweatshirt? Because I want to buy one. Yes, these are Shirleydefense.com. They'll be out next hour or so.

Sweet. Okay. Second question. I don't know if you get this a lot, but how does your faith play into what you do? Because I know you mentioned your church and stuff like that. So how does that really play into your role? Yeah, it plays a lot.

lot into, I think just who I am in general. And today I have my grandpa here as well. He's right there. I brought him with me. And so having people around me that are also in the same morals and my faith played a big role into it because I think it saved me from a lot of things when I was growing up. With like just everything that a young man goes through these days, my morals were super strong because of my faith and because of the people I looked up to, whether it was my grandpa, Jesus, just having those strong figures in my life that I really looked up to, it saved me from really ever getting down into anything that I shouldn't have been into. And so nowadays, just like how I go about doing my stuff,

I don't ever, I don't, my goal's never for someone to be like, oh, Nick's part of this religion or that religion, just like, oh, no, he follows Jesus Christ. I think that's the most important thing for me. Anyone else out there? Got one there? Oh, I can tell. We got more of them. I don't need a mic, but I'll use one.

Thank you so much. And I agree there's a lot of fraud, and I know all the key conservative people who've exposed this. And one thing I want y'all to remember, we have an awful Republican Secretary of State. His name is Brad Rattensburger. It's not really. It's Raffensberger, but he's a rat.

And he's still running. and he registered again under Republican ticket. And I just got to tell you all this story. He called me three or four years ago. He knew me. I'm active in politics. And he said, will you give me some money? And I said, have you lost your mind?

You are a traitor, sir. And I went off on him. And he listened. And then all of a sudden he said, well, I guess you're not going to give me any money. I said, no. But he called me again four months. ago I'm just saying this is a corrupt state my state yeah and I think just in general we're seeing how corrupt everything is I mean because it's not a blue state

thing it's a many state many state thing because yeah it's in all states and you're seeing it now which is interesting that now you're even seeing like the administration put a focus on it like they literally have opened up a whole new I don't know if it's a department or agency or whatever but they opened up a whole new thing just to crack down on the fraud. I think there's a new Attorney General, and J.D. Vance is heading this new department, I think, about the fraud, which is a direct, I would like to say it's a direct reaction to what we exposed in Minnesota

because they weren't really talking about it before. No, I think, and the thing with these fraudsters is they got away with it for so long, and it was literally right in front of our face, like the leering center was in front of everyone's face. Yeah, it really was. And I want to give you credit for this that your video, of course, gets 150 million views. But as an example, CBS News just did a big story on, I believe it was hospice fraud in California. And that's another thing where we've been seeing allegations about that for a long time. And it's almost the novel idea of we've had dozens of different publications in this country,

and they can write yet another story about how Trump is Hitler or something. Or you could cover something that half of America, would find immediately compelling, and no one is talking about it, and it is right in front of your face. And I guess that's probably your message to other young people. So much stuff is right in front of you if you just pick up a camera, pick up a microphone.

Yeah, and not every person needs to go and become a YouTuber, but they can go and do their own little investigation. If they see something, then take it to the person who you can go and take that to. There's a lot of people that work inside of the state governments, and a lot of people who actually do get into politics because they want to make change. So there's a lot of people in the government who actually do want to create changes,

not just so much of crazies that are trying to destroy the United States. There's a lot of them, but there's also a lot of really good people who are trying to make a difference. Do you have any sense, maybe where in government you're most likely to find someone who'd be helpful, who might give you a helpful tip? That's a tough question. Well, I think a lot of the public record, a lot of this information, if you request it, they have to give it to you. So depending on what kind of fraud you want to look at, you need to then go and find the department that's underneath that. And a lot of that

information should be public information. You just have to request it. And sometimes, like, David had a request for years to get those numbers because they didn't want to release it. And then he eventually had somebody from inside the capital release it to him. So it is like you do have to go around a lot to make it happen because they don't want the fraud be exposed. And that's one of the reasons why there is so much fraud, because they have made it so complicated. It's like almost too complicated. Some of the sometimes. And I believe even in Minnesota, they've been hiding information about daycares now, which that's one way to respond to finding what you found. Yeah, the way to hide fraud is to make it

super complex to people or people can't really track it down. Just look up how funding goes. Like, look up on your AI. How does funding work for daycares in California? There's like four different categories for them to get money from the government. Like, why do you need four different categories to get money to run a daycare? Like, how's that even possible? Like, what's the purpose of that? Shouldn't just be as simple? simple is, like, it should be very simple. Like, shouldn't one category be enough? I think we have time for one or two more.

Thanks for coming in today. I just want to echo what the two ladies from Georgia said in terms of topics to cover, probably we've been more focus in the coming months about election integrity. I think this is such a vital component. And have you ever considered uniting with, I don't know, James O'Keefe or any of the other people who do what you do so well? to really pressure Congress to do something about this before the next elections,

because we're not sure how it's going to turn out, but this has got to be done. Yeah, James is a good friend, and a lot of other journalists like Savannah Hernandez is a great friend. Camp Higbee is a great friend. And I think, honestly, when you tackle these topics, I'm trying to determine if it's better to do it all at once or come out at different angles. And so I've done videos with James in the past, for instance, and he's a great person. And I do think it would be beneficial to do something together as well. I had to kind of really just drop a bomb of dynamite on them.

We'll go one more question, Blake. Hi, Nick. My name is Patrick. I'm from San Diego. My father-in-law recently had a rental property in Spring Valley, which is predominantly a Chaldean community. And he said within a few days he got like, I don't know, 20 requests, and they were mainly Section 8 housing.

And he said he would bring the people in, and they would check it out. And there was just so many, like, you know, there was stories of, like, 120,000-or Mercedes pulling up. And I guess how it works is Section 8 housing is I think they only have to pay about 10% of the rent per month. So your rent's like 3,000, the applicant, or, you know, whoever only has to pay like $300 a month. and they could own a 7-Eleven or they could be making a few hundred thousand dollars a year and they're not spending any money on rent and not spending any money on taxes we're all paying for them to live have you thought about maybe approaching that or that'd be a little more difficult because you know going to a business as far as you know yeah so that just

goes to show like how bad the fraud is like it's everywhere whether it's the daycares the hospice centers or the homes like that you know. section 8, like what he's talking about section 8. And so, I mean, there's a lot of fraud to tackle. Only one man, but we're working on expanding. A line I saw someone remark the other day is we actually just had the number

of American adults who are not in the labor force has, I believe, passed the previous record high, which was during COVID. And as he pointed out, we're not seeing people starve to death. So people are getting by somehow. And a lot of it is through. There's one government

program after another. And as you saw that so many of these businesses that are fraud adjacent, you know, you'll have your daycare center and your Medicaid center and your medical transport company, and they'll all conveniently be in the same building. Oh, it's so bad. And think about how much more of a benefit these people would be to society if they spent the same amount of time on thinking about how to defraud us versus actually like getting a job and providing some sort of benefit to society. Imagine that. Imagine that. Because these fraud schemes aren't, aren't, like, small.

Like, they're billions of dollars. All right. Complicated. Anything else out there? Prosecution. Yeah, so in Minnesota, they found, like, for instance, like, the main daycare that was receiving, like, $3.67 million. The lady tried to flee to the U.K. on one-way ticket, and they caught her and arrested her

at the airport. And then they just arrested another person with autism, or not with autism. His eye key, never mind, I'm not going to go there. But so he got arrested for autism center fraud. And so now that like the evidence there, I think the, this is what I hope. The federal government's waiting, or not waiting, but they're gathering all the information so that when it does come time to do those prosecutions, they can then just go and tackle them all. Yeah, my personal take is if you're in a red state, what you can advocate for now is I know

we aren't fans of big government, but you can say, let's hire more prosecutors in our state AG's office and go after these things. Because in Minnesota, for example, we saw the federal prosecutor. He said, I am prosecuting as much of this as I can. There is just too much of it for us to get all of it. And I suspect that's the case in many places. But I'm being told we need to wrap. So surely everybody. Thank you, everybody. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.