The Charlie Kirk Show - Ask Us Anything 244: What is Christian Zionism? American Revolution Books? O Canada?

Episode Date: November 17, 2025

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is you get to call in on Fridays and ask questions live on the show. But first, we have a little bit of housekeeping because we have a very special guest that joined us in uh and yet you too tyler tyler boyer has joined us uh thank you uh but you have brought a very special guest with us so why don't you introduce tiffany for yeah we have the head of everything political over at heritage heritage action so those of you that know heritage foundation uh probably one of the longest standing brands within the conservative movement that was loved beloved by president reagan that was beloved by rush limbaugh uh that Obviously, it's been a great partner. They've been, they've had action for many, many years.

But the new leader is Tiffany Justice, who is here with us on campus today. And we're just working through, you know, all the things. So welcome, Tiffany. We're excited to have you on the Charlie Kirk Show. Tiffany is also famous for being the co-founder of Moms for Liberty, which you've, you've, SPLC's worst nightmare. Yeah, hate group. Yeah, I was going to say, you got the hate group, you got the hate group.

You got the hate group. Moms are so hateful when you don't. clean your room. And you don't vacuum. Eat your broccoli. Yeah, you don't take out the trash. You don't eat what you're supposed to. But I don't think that's what the SPLC meant. No, they messed with the wrong moms. Yeah, that's right. So she's the co-founder, tons of the brains. And she was brought over to lead heritage action into really a new, a new era. I don't know if you just want to talk about that just for a second with Kevin Roberts, who's a brilliant, Dr. Kevin Roberts, who's a brilliant man over Heritage. We love him to death. And Tiffany.

now, really muscle. Yeah, really excited to join Heritage and inspired by the work that you guys do at Turning Point Action, right? A lot of federal lobbying that Heritage Action has done, some state lobbying that they've done since 2019, but really expanding the portfolio now and making sure that we're getting out the vote. Americans want to be empowered to take our country back. So excited to kind of emulate some of what Turning Point Action is done across the country

at Heritage Action. And that's what's really critical, is everyone has to be focused on nothing. Nothing will matter. Nothing will get done if we don't get out the vote and actually win. As we saw last Tuesday when we had some dramatic losses because not enough GOTV was done on our side in certain specific states where we don't necessarily operate full time, but those are places that need a lot of help. Yeah, blown away by the amount of money that Democrats spent in the House of Delicate races in Virginia at like $68 million to Republicans 25. So something has to change and heritage action is going to help to try to change it. Wow. And a lot of people on a very basic level, I think our audience would get this, but if you're kind of a normie, you're just out there, you're not really political, understanding the difference between a C3 and like a C4, for example, turning point USA, C3. So a lot of people will just say turning point USA, assuming that it covers all the basis. But turning point action is where we do our ballot chasing. It's where we do our scorecards, where we endorse candidates. It's completely different and separate from turning point. USA yeah i mean i would say about heritage and foundation in action i think of the heritage foundation

is like the chef that makes a beautiful meal all these amazing policies that they write over at heritage foundation but if you don't have power if you're not winning elections and that's how you get power then you can't put any of the policies into place so they're really strategic partners yep power is everything power is everything um we have a first question uh i believe this is from brandon brandon you are joining the charlie kirk show Welcome. Hey, guys. Can you hear me?

Yes, we can. Thanks for joining. What's your question? Well, I'm back with another book question. It's mainly for Blake, but I don't know if he's still on. I'm here. I'm here. You got me.

You got me. So my question is, what books or authors do you recommend to learn about the Revolutionary War and the period from 1776 to 1789? So before we actually have a first president. All righty. Oh, man. So first of all, you should never discount, like, the actual, legit primary sources for that sort of thing. So, like, it's actually worthwhile to go and read Thomas Jefferson.

Thomas Jefferson, he wrote a lot of letters. He wrote notes on the state of Virginia. Like, you hear a lot of things about the founders, and yet they are real people. They were engaged in war. They were engaged in politics. They had feuds with one another that are now, like, easily forgotten about. And yet, like, that's the lives they lived. You know, the Federalist papers, of course, which were to ratify the Constitution.

But there was letters they were writing beforehand. So I always encourage that. I also encourage knowing what went into the revolution. I've advocated for Albion's seat on this show before. That's kind of about the different groups of people who settled America in the colonial period. from England, they were very different groups, and they shaped America. For the revolution itself, one that I liked, it came out around 1990, and it was the radicalism of the American Revolution,

and obviously as conservatives, we like the revolution, yet we also have to admit it was a very radical, it was a revolution. It basically toppled a monarchical government. It installed the first major kind of, you know, Charlie hates the word democracy, but we founded democratic-ish governments in a lot of these states and that hadn't been seen in the West for 2,000 years, hugely transformative event, and there was stuff going on during the revolution

where they were just, you know, you'd overthrow your royal governor and have this super radical state constitution, which now these constitutions would seem conservative to us if we still have them, but for the time, hugely, hugely, I'm looking at my list here, or radical documents.

Another thing, just for the war itself, Empire of Liberty was like, I think the, either Oxford or Cambridge history of the United States, it's a whole big series, but their book on the American Revolution is like a just decent one on the actual revolutionary period. I think the glorious cause is also their book about the war itself. That's solid. If you're a big Tory, some people really like, there's like old, like extremely conservative books that argue the revolution. was a mistake and the loyalist should have won. I do not believe that. I disavow, and I can't remember them off the top of my head anyway, but I would be remiss if I left them out.

So I hope that helps a little bit. Blake, can I add into, I think one of the things, and we talk about this all the time, I actually talked about this with Charlie a lot behind closed doors, was that there isn't enough education around the anti-federalist papers. So one of the things that I would say that is a huge mistake when that conservatives make is they, there's a lot of books written about,

federalist papers. There's a lot of books that comment on the federalist papers, the authors, many heroes of the revolution. There are many heroes that were the writers behind the names and the anti-federalist papers. There's not actually a ton of books written on commentary on the anti-federalist papers, but they really shape what the arguments for and against, which there are many good arguments that were made about the mistakes and potential pitfalls of a federal government that were made by the anti-federalists at that time and they're not really complicated although there's some simplified versions of books that say here's a simplified way to explain the arguments that are made in the anti-federalist papers especially Patrick henry and so on

i i cannot encourage enough especially young people to also study anti-federalist literature especially in private schools charter schools public school teachers that are teaching they just gloss over or they don't even comment on any of these things at all. And there's a lot of really important subjects that are in there that are discussed that frame a lot of the problems that we see today. Blake just... I have one. I just got remembered. I just remembered one that was very funny because you mentioned the anti-federalists.

There's a book, it's a bit later than the era you're asking about, but I like it. It's called Fears of a Setting Sun, the disillusionment of America's founders. And it's just, it's an interesting one to read because if you read it, it turns out, If you look at the founders in 1805, they're all black-pilled. They think it was a total disaster. What they'd done, messed up, they're super depressed. They think it's not going to work out. That's some great perspective to have because these great men who we know they founded this

tremendous country that had so much success, they were black-pilled. They let themselves get black-pilled. And so if their country got through that era where they thought it was so terrible, we can get through periods that we think are terrible too. So I wanted to throw that there. That's a great question. I loved that one. Yeah, really good question. And by the way, Chernow, David McCullough, those are authors on the Revolutionary War period that are widely read as well.

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Next up is Sarah. Sarah, please unmute yourself. Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. So I am from Canada. And my first question, I have two. What is your guys' opinion of the conservative party of Canada? So there's two. Let's just define terms here really quick here, right? There's the conservative party of Canada, CPC, which would be Pierre's party. I forget. I looked it up how to say it. Pierre Polivir or whatever. Polyev. That's right. He would be the leader of that party. That's going to be your more establishment wing of the conservative party in Canada. So then you also have the People's Party of Canada, which is the more populous wing. So when we're saying, what's, are you? Are you, you asking about one of the other or just in general the conservative party yeah yeah i'm specifically

asking about like the official cpc all right so tyler has actually been working with them well i've talked to a number of individuals and there's some just like we have and just for our americans that are at home just like we have some good republicans they're good republicans and there are bad republicans and the party's broad-based uh yeah there's some good conservatives uh conservative party leaders and and better conservative party leaders that we see across Canada that I think are leaning more towards the things that we like. You know, I can't speak highly enough of Danielle Smith, although I'm sure Canadians have, you know, different varying opinions. Daniel Smith, I think, actually cares enough so much that she has been in contact, the premier of Alberta, which to put

into kind of conceptually is kind of like an all-encompassy senator for. slash governor almost for Canada for their individual areas. And so she has been an incredible supporter of what we do at Turning Point. And it has been at the forefront of having conversations to represent, I think, the more conservative wing from an elected position. And I know that there are a great number of individuals who have engaged with the Conservative Party in Saskatchewan that have done a great job. And I think those two, you know,

nation states within Canada, you know, Alberta and Saskatchewan are the future. And I think that the conservative party, my opinion is this, is that if the conservative party were smart, they would consolidate their efforts into those two areas and then spend time with the conservative activists to grow from there and really wield power, as we talk about power against the establishment to try to actually expand their talking points that I think are more successful, which again, Canada combated the complete shutdown of their country during COVID. It was like the worst parts of the United States, just to put perspective, and I'm sure you have some opinions on that, Sarah. And there's a number of other different things that obviously

happen at the governmental level, the policy level that are terrible that most of the resource driven individuals that live in the central parts of Canada disagree with, particularly on the oil in the oil basin that exists within Alberta. They have a lot of oil, by the way, in Canada. I would say this. Like, first of all, the establishment wing of conservative parties right now, they're pesky, they have a way of sticking around. They have a lot of institutional backing, but they do deals with the bad guys.

They do deals with the bad guys. And here's the other thing. I would say to any conservative movement across the Western world is if you are not tapping into the populist energy of your party, you're going to miss the boat. That's where the activist energy is. That's where, Sarah, I'm sure that. you probably find yourself more about a strong nation, probably limited immigration. Those are the tap roots of energy when it comes to conservative activists.

And if you're not going there because you're afraid that the country's not ready for it, I would just say, look at France, look at what are we, we've got the Netherlands, look at the UK, what's happening in the UK right now? The UK is so buttoned up. It makes Canada look like a third world backwater. or something. I mean, that's just the way the UK is. And yet, Nigel Farage and Reform

is rising in the polling, rising in the ranks, and Canada needs to follow that, not be afraid. The conservative movement needs to embrace the populace energy that's happening because you're either going to go populace left or populace right now. The entire Western world is either going to go one way or the other. If you are

shunning that side of your party, icing them out, you're going to miss the activist energy. All right, Tyler, why don't you close this out here? So I'll close this by saying, this is the The biggest missed opportunity is that whether you're in Canada or the UK or the United States, it doesn't really matter anywhere in the Western world. If you are not identifying the voters and chasing votes, you're not going to be able to, again, we talk about power.

This is part of the reason why I wanted Tiffany on here right with us is that power is consolidated in what you can do with it. The big missed opportunity of this last election cycle, similar to what we just saw and that happened to us in the United States is in Canada, there was like this energy flux expectation to win and then Pierre lost his own election. Why? Because they weren't focused and buttoned down enough to chase their own votes to actually flex power. If you lose, there's nothing that's more embarrassing than to lose your own election when you're hoping to become the prime minister. And so this is a situation, a scenario that happens. Same thing in the UK. If you do

not have the tools, you do not have the resources, you do not consolidate, and I completely agree with you around populist messaging, the energy, the ideas that get, get people up off the couch and out of their seats to actually win, you're not going to win any place. Yeah, Pierre wasn't able to get people to get behind him. I mean, there was a huge pushback against a lot of the trans stuff that was happening. If Pierre had really embraced it and spoken to his customers, the voters, and said, I'm going to push back against this. I think he would have done better. And he didn't have the ground trips to actually win his own. He didn't have the ground troops to win. Go ahead, Blake. I want to weigh in real quick on this, just because I have,

I follow a lot of Canadian politics. Like, I follow too many countries politics. So the Canadian conservative party in general, I like to sum it up for people in the U.S. is it's like a conservative party that just cut all social conservative questions out of itself. Like social conservative is existing Canada, but they have zero, zero political influence at all. Like what I like to point to, I would talk to Charlie about this is in Canada, they have no pro-life movement. There's no restrictions on abortion at all. You can get abortion pretty much until birth. Like a fetus just has no legal existence whatsoever until it is born in Canada it's basically them in North Korea on that front and that's kind of a good symbol for how Canada

approaches all of those questions and you know the argument would be well this makes them more electable and yet it also doesn't so what you've had in with the Conservative Party of Canada is they thought okay if we're liberal on all social questions and basically pro-immigration as well like I guess you can be more electable and they had a conservative prime minister and before Trudeau but now like the country has changed to the point where honestly I look at Canada and I wonder what its future as a country is their level of immigration the last five years has been way above ours basically the highest of pretty much any large country in human history in terms of how many people they brought in

it's actually messed up the country in a lot of ways their economy has gotten really messed up where problems we have in the U.S., where housing prices are going up too much, much worse in Canada, even though they have nothing but space. They really mangled the country in a lot of ways, and I think the Conservative Party of Canada has some responsibility for that, but it's a weird country in a lot of ways. I could do a whole hour on all the ways Canada's bizarre. Quebec is bizarre.

I'll follow just Blake's comment there, which is that you have a real problem amongst conservatives. We actually don't have conservatives working together across borders for things, too. And again, some of this is, I think this is intentional. The left actually works really, really well across borders with one another. The progressive parties do, and our side doesn't at all. And I actually think that one of the unique things that President Trump has done is by putting pressure on Canada actually helps, I think, long-term drive conservatives together.

Well, maybe long-term. But the short term was that I don't think he helped Pierre's political... Pierre wasn't ready for it, right? It's like he threw... He tried to distance himself. President Trump threw a Hail Mary pass down the field in a Hail Mary situation for Pierre because clearly Pierre wasn't competent enough to win his own election. So it's like President Trump threw a Hail Mary...

I'm going to push back on that one, Tyler. I think Pierre was going to win that election and then Trump kind of went on his annexed Canada digression. And the truth is, Canada's national... identity for a lot of people as being not America or being America, but more liberal. And it just sort of blew that up. And that was, I don't think we had a shot after that. President Trump walked into a catch-22 when taking office. Do nothing in America would be staring at a ticking debt bomb, the kind of crisis that could cripple our future. Instead, he's taken action with strong policies to slow the train and buy us some time. But the effects of past

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Doing great. So I have two questions. They're very related. Has the speakers 4 a.m. Fest 2025 been finalized? It's never finalized. No, it's never finalized. There's more coming. There's more coming.

Lots of new announcements. We did. Yeah, we did invite them. And they're supposed to come last year, too, but it didn't. I noticed that. Yeah, I remember. Yeah, it didn't work out logistically. But yeah, we did invite them.

There's some big speakers yet to be announced that I think that will make people very excited. We're always working on speakers, too. Up until the, like, last minute. I think last year with President Trump, Charlie booked him like a couple days before. that's yeah that's yeah a lot a lot revolves around the president yeah oh yeah a lot revolves around the president and then sometimes these things are last minute sometimes they're intentionally last minute uh but there is a i think a number of different people that will be very interesting and we're we're sold out so it's just like people are now buying these things on the third market oh good i'm

glad to get your hotel right there were two there was only two percent left available when i got him and I was very pleased to get him. Oh, man. We're looking forward to meeting you at Amfest in person. All right. Thank you, Jonathan. We'll see you at Amfest. Anne.

Definitely. If you ride a horse to Amfest, then we'll let you in. Write a horse. It's very western. Hi. How are you? Hi, Ann. What's your question?

First, I wanted to say how great you guys are doing it. I'm really happy that you're continuing the show. I know how tough it must be because it's hard for all of us who are fans for a long time with Charlie. What I'm concerned about is I've been noticing this week and you've talked about it, I've heard it on other podcasts, that there are some things that I think are fair

to say that the White House has been making this steps with the base and the younger viewers in particular. And I think that really shows Charlie's absence because I feel like he would have had some influence on it. And he could have conveyed the base, you know, kind of the way he did with the Epstein thing,

he could have conveyed the base's position. and perhaps been listened to. And I'm wondering what CP USA feels that it can do without Shirley and what it is doing to continue his influence with the White House and Congress to explain what, you know, what the base and the younger voters want. And I'm also wondering who TEPA feels it has and who the government has to speak to the youth vote and successfully convey that to the government. Yeah.

Can we play clip 353 again of J.D. Vance? We certainly can. 353. Because this helps answer that question if we can play 353. A lot of young people are saying housing is way too expensive. Why is that? Because we flooded the country with 30 million illegal immigrants who were taking houses that ought by right go to American citizens.

And at the same time, we weren't building enough new houses to begin with, even for the population that we had. So what we're doing is trying to make it easier to build houses, trying to make it easier to build factories and things like that so that people have good jobs. We're also getting all of those illegal aliens out of our country, and you're already seeing it start to pay some dividends. So, Anne, love your question because it also is my question every single week is what can the administration do for young people now that Charlie is gone because Charlie is our biggest advocate. And I think J.D. Vance has been kind of the mouthpiece for that in honoring Charlie. both in that interview that he just did, but also looking back to Ole Miss just a couple of weeks ago with, you know, Vice President Vance and Erica Kirk, too.

And at turning point, we're continuing the work. But the biggest thing, and Charlie said this all the time, we talked about an hour one of today's show, is the biggest thing to help young people in the short term is deportations to drive cost down, H1B, yeah. And so J.D. Vance understood everything that Charlie stood for when it came to young people and I think he's doing a pretty incredible job. J.D. has stepped up in a huge way to be that. I think a lot of people, we had Chris Rufo on last

week who was saying that J.D. is basically the guy that can really, you know, do that. He can sort of, you know, unite some of these warring factions within the conservative movement. But don't, I would say this also, remember that President Trump time and time again when he has, he'll, he'll send up little trial balloons, right? And he'll, he'll kind of float ideas. And you never know what 3D chess he's playing. For example, with the Chinese thing that a lot of people got riled up about 600,000 Chinese visas. I would be one of them. However, two days later, Cash Patel says, oh, we just struck a deal with the Chinese Communist Party to stop all these precursors to fentanyl coming in the country, which, by the way, if you really care about young people, you want to

make sure that 100,000 young people every year aren't dying of fentanyl overdoses. And so you've got I really do believe that we have to trust a couple things here. And Charlie would have said the same thing. He said the same thing. We were bombing Iran, right? He said, I trust President Trump. I believe that he's got the best interests at heart of the United States and for our people. And that includes young people, but he's got a lot of competing interests. So we have to keep yelling and screaming and making our voices heard. And I just want to, you know, tell you one last thing here is a lot of those relationships that Charlie was so good at within the admin, within the conservative movement, working and talking to and texting and all this backchanneling stuff

that was happening. I will just tell you that a lot of those people, when Charlie was assassinated, they ended up coming to a lot of us. And I know Tyler's in comms with a bunch of them. Mikey's in comms. I'm in comms. Erica's in comms. And so those relationships remain intact in some really important ways. And we're certainly still making our voices heard and we're still making sure that the things that Charlie was fighting for, this Gen Z economic moonshot, this revival for the economics of young people, making sure that they have a stake in the American dream. Those conversations are still going. And one last thing, when you talk about deportations, all this stuff, you got to understand we are climbing out of a hole that's very, very deep. And why?

Because we flooded our economy with cheap money. We deficit spent for a generation. And when you do that, it debases the currency. It inflates asset prices like homes, stocks, 401Ks. And that's good for economic incumbents, people that already have skin in the game. It's really bad for people. trying to get into the economy as a first rung on that economic ladder. You say we deficit spent for a generation, Andrew, like we're not still deficit spending like crazy. It's a fair point. And that's a fair point. And that's another debate that we're having on the right, correct? Like that, you know, what are we doing with some of this tariff revenue?

Yeah, some $2,000 dividend check would be great. But, you know, we really do have to focus on this debt and this deficits. And there's the budget hawks in D.C. are getting drowned out right now. It doesn't buy you. I mean, you basically, I worry truthfully that we're kind of getting into more and more of a, like, delusional state on it. Like, it didn't blow up in our face as quickly as people predicted. And so you have a lot of people who say deficits don't matter. I think Cheney said that.

Now you have modern monetary theory, which is a somewhat, well, it's very modern. We can say that, that you can just print money forever and there's actually no downside to it. All I will say is there are many countries that have attempted that. and I don't know of any that have gotten away with it. And I want to remind everyone, too. I don't know if we've done a good enough job of this. I don't know if the administration has done enough of this. And they need help, right?

They need all of our help to say, remember when we were coming into the Trump administration that the word on the street was that we were heading into a massive recession, the biggest one since, you know, the Obama recession, and that that was going to happen. And the entire economy was going to crash, that the stock market was going to crash. Remember all this that was happening?

at the beginning of last year and and and you have we have to give credit where credits do is that the trump administration stabilized that situation and of course we still have massive problems for young people on how affordability is going to look for the next two decades yeah the question you have to ask yourself is trump is the are you going to trust the trump administration turn into maybe a jd vans administration to fix that or are you going to trust more of the joe biden style policies and Gavin Newsom and Mom Donnie to do that for you because the answer is going to be, no, we just have to make that pitch very clear. Well, we have a new clip here, apparently, 338.

The White House wants to cut a bunch of red tape, especially the kind that holds up houses from being built with the argument being that the current housing inventory has been flooded for several years with illegal immigrants. New houses plus deportations could free up a lot of existing homes and apartments according to Vice President Vance. Yep. That's from this morning. Yeah, new report this morning.

So I think we're getting there. The message is getting through. I mean, I'm telling you, this was a pivot from a messaging standpoint that was pretty dramatic. Wouldn't you agree, Tiffany? Yeah, and I just want to say the most important thing that we can do for young people in America is to empower them to vote and to get their friends to vote. I mean, you know, and to run for office, right? I mean, that is truly how long term we're going to be able to have better policies for the future of families in America. Yeah, you got to vote.

You got to get out and vote. Thank you so much. And next up is Gina, I believe. Yeah, Gina. Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. What's your question? Thank you, guys. Just wondering what your thoughts are on,

I've seen lately them talking about the USS Liberty. And I was just curious what your, some of your feedback is on some of that history. Oh, I can talk about that. I can talk about that. Thanks, like. If you haven't heard about it, the USS Liberty was an incident in the late 1960s where it was a kind of U.S. like spy ship, sort of a signal monitoring ship. It would sit in international waters and it would monitor communications.

And during the six-day war between Israel and its Arab neighbors, it was near Israel and Egypt monitoring the situation. And it gets attacked by Israeli fighter jets. It's strafed and I think it's hit by a few bombs or torpedoes. about 30, I think 34 U.S. sailors actually are killed, several hundred are wounded. Now, that's a good number, but it's during the Vietnam War, so it's, you know, when we're having a lot of military casualties. And it's brought up a lot today. Charlie, notably, he would get trolled with attacks, or not attacks, with questions about the USS Liberty from Groyper's around 2019. And he would get a lot of questions about it. And it gets brought up a lot. It's asked by

people who want to criticize America's relationship with Israel. It's kind of used to argue Israel's not our friend, Israel's not our ally. And I would just bring up a few things about it. First of all, the U.S. government and the Israeli government both did inquiries, and they concluded it was an accident. People will deny this. I guess what I would say is I don't know why it wouldn't be an accident. It wouldn't make a lot of sense for Israel to just bomb an American ship as a hostile act just because i i've never understood the argument that it would be intentional you know and i would add just sorry let me continue and so on top of that like they paid us uh i'm looking here in 1968 they paid out three million dollars in compensation in 1969

another year later they gave another three million in compensation and then they paid six million in 1980 those don't sound like a lot today but we've had a lot of inflation since then so it's actually almost a hundred million dollars that we got in terms of payouts related to that so it's not like they just ignored it it's not like they covered up that it ever happened there were major payouts to the people affected by this and just in the end it was an event that happened 60 years ago it is not a guiding thing to how we should conduct our foreign policy today we're friends with like we're pretty close friends with vietnam and we went and lost that war to them you know around the same time. And it's just, it's brought up a lot because people want a justification

to dislike Israel and to fan, frankly, anti-Semitism. And it's brought up for that reason. But there's like a rational way to understand this event as a tragedy, as likely an accident, likely appalling military incompetence. And fortunately, they did pay compensation to the people affected by that. That's my overall thoughts on it. I get that. Thank you, Blake. Did you have something to add to me? No, I think it was an interesting question. I guess I would ask why the question was asked in the first. Yeah, I didn't realize people were talking about it again.

I've definitely heard other people bring it up throughout the years. I will say one interesting thing is that Dennis Prager actually wrote a letter and he was kind of going through some of the claims made about Israel. And I think he was trying to kind of deal with it in a very rational way. And so this was a letter that he wrote before he got injured in October 2024. and he basically explained that his position had changed. He mentions that terrible mistakes happen in every war, and initially he thought the Liberty attack might have been another one of those mistakes. However, he is now, quote, persuaded that the strike on the liberty was probably deliberate.

He states in that letter that the attack, quote, if everything said about the attack on the liberty is true, it appears to him have been a criminal war crime. And he expressed frustration that he doesn't understand why both the American and Israeli governments covered it up at the time and have never since explained why, happened. Now that POV differs from a lot of the official narratives, but that's coming from Dennis Prager, who is a, is about as Jewish as it gets. It was a dear friend of Charlie. And so I'm just saying to Blake's other point, you know, it was 60 years ago. Why does it have to be a guiding light about

how we conduct ourselves now? And if even Dennis Prager, who is, you know, like I said, hard-carrying Jewish guy, has written the books of the Torah, the five books of the Torah, I think he's writing his fifth commentary on even now from being bedridden. We love Dennis. So I mean, if he's willing to sort of reassess his, the way he feels about that story, then I'm not afraid to, certainly. So I keep an open mind, but again, 60 years ago, and I think people use it as a, as a, for ulterior. It was, it got brought up a lot in part because people would get uncomfortable when they were asked about it

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Hey, guys. Great honor to speak to you today. Thank you, sir. Appreciate all you do. Can't even begin to imagine what the challenges have been like. I have to think it's much like. I have to think it's much like the disciples questioning God's timing when Jesus left them. And yet they picked up the ball, built on the foundation. And here we are 2,000 years later with millions and billions in the kingdom of God because of what they did. And you guys are like that. Thank you.

I wanted to ask, I know this election last week is, I don't think you can really take that much from it, but to some extent it is obviously a little discouraging. I'm one that wants us to win everything. So I don't want to give it. I don't want to give an inch. But so we've got 2026 coming up and TPUSA and TPPUSA action, in my opinion, gave us the win for 2024. I know others have played her vital roles, but what you guys did, Tyler,

and it was just incredible. What I need to hear today is some encouragement that there's a good plan being put in place to hopefully maybe mobilize this tremendous army with all of the new TPUSA chapters and

everything else that is going to give us a victory that we desperately have to have for 2026 otherwise MAGA and Trump is going to have a lame duck in those last two years And we can't afford that. Do you want to address Avery's concerns? Yeah, so Avery, first off, thank you for that and thank you for the support. I mean, obviously for the entire audience, the power behind the Charlie Kirk show was that we were able to mobilize tens of thousands of people, really hundreds of thousands of people, maybe millions, if you look at our TikTok and everything else to help change the narrative,

change the game for 2024. Completely agree with you. Actually, that's why we're so excited that Tiffany's here with us on campus. I mean, I can literally showcase to you the work that we're doing. doing right now, not just for 2026, but 2028, 2030, 2032, is we're talking about everything 10 years out and working our way backwards, working with the biggest and most impactful organizations across the country to be able to put the boots on the ground where we need them in the right places. And this is the biggest problem, the challenge that we've talked about,

Charlie talked about this incessantly. And we will start talking about this a lot more this year, now that the clock is ticking through 2026, is we're going to be talking about just the same way that Charlie was talking about all last year of how the right has not done a good enough job at organizing bodies and putting people where we need them most impactfully start to finish across the country. And so the thing that we've been discussing all morning, and I will be into the late evening here as we work with Tiffany is that we have a place to go and strategic targets that matter the most and I don't know if you want to talk a little bit about that tiffany about kind of the focuses and bringing people together yeah i'm just so excited to work with

turning point action i think you're right that turning point was a huge was the factor that helped us to win in 24 and help president put president trump in the white house and so um at heritage action as i said we do a lot of federal work a lot of state work we're focusing on political action we're focusing and acquiring power and working with Turning Point and other organizations in order to mobilize voters, get them out. And we're looking for the lions. Paper in the box. Can I just make an observation? When we started in this space, and Tyler can attest, it was like dog eat dog.

They didn't want us getting in invading their terrain. They were worried about donors, all this stuff. So to have Heritage Action and Turning Point Action cooperating on this is just like such a huge advancement in the space. I just want to give you guys both credit for that. And what I've seen just from my limited time in politics, but I'm a mom of four, so I'm in it for the right reasons, is the fact that there are a lot of people that get involved and suck money out of the ecosphere of politics. And we're here to invest in the American people and making sure that we're getting,

as Tyler says all the time, more paper into the ballot box. Yeah. And that's the one piece that is probably most impactful is that if we can just by two or three or four percentage points make the conservative movement more impactful with every dollar. that's spent and get that out to GOTV get out the vote operations chasing ballots then you win significant i mean we're not talking three or four percent more elections we're talking about 30 or 40 percent more elections well all right uh let's do one more question here uh scott what's your question scott welcome to the show hey guys hey good to talk to you guys hey scott thank you

Hey, yeah, you guys are awesome. Keep up the good work. It just curious, I'm hearing a lot about Christian Zionism throwing around. I think I know what it is. Can you guys hear me? Yep. Okay, cool. Hey, I can.

So I was just wondering if you guys could talk about it a little bit. What is it? And is there a general conservative position that we can understand about it? That's a great Mikey question. Yeah. Okay, someone else just said that. I think it's actually a better play question. Truthfully, guys, I don't even like have a definition for Zionism.

Yeah, it's one of those. Go ahead. Can I give just a religious background as being like the most targeted person, probably, you know, against some of the most recent, like, conspiracy theories on stuff? There is a significant amount of Christians within Christendom that believe that in the Bible, there is an importance with Zionism as it pertains to the second coming of Jesus. There are a lot of religious Zionists that study religious Zionism, which is different than status Zionism. And there are a lot of, there's a ton of in between that goes between those. Those are conversations. That's the way that I think Charlie would actually lean into

and start describing this conversation. It makes it, it's kind of unfair. because I think a lot of people attack people for being Zionists that are theological Zionists that believe in the Second Coming and what the gathering of Israel as members of my church talk about that talk about the lost 10 tribes, how that impacts and it's talked about things that are in the New Testament. And that's really important to, again, Jesus coming back. And it actually puts a really awkward position for a lot of people who are theologians that talk about Zionists. that talk about Zionism that generally believe how important that is versus, again, the statist idea of establishing the state of Israel.

Now, that's not to say that people don't believe that the state of Israel is really important to that theological position. It just is never really discussed when people are lobbying back and forth this idea of Christian Zionism and why that's impactful. And not very many people that I've seen have adequately spoken to that issue in a way that's really important for people to understand the actual debate. You can have disagreements with the state of Israel while also supporting the theological idea of Zionism and the second coming of Jesus Christ.

And that's to me where my position is and how I've described and explained it. But you never hear that debate for the most part on social media. It's back and forth lobbying, you know, hurls that end up being people accusing people of being antisemitic or vice versa, the other side of being, you know, overly. pro-Zionist or pro-Israel first is the new thing or mega make Israel great against type stuff and that and again it's missing the whole point where there's a theological argument that's why I brought it in anyway sorry Blake yeah go ahead so just I the original question is what is Christian Zionism so Zionism what it in its simplest term means is

Zionism is support for having a homeland for Jewish people in the historic ancient land of the Jews. So Israel, basically, Palestine, whatever you want to call it. So it is the belief in that, that is the core of what Zionism is. Now, that has manifested as specifically the state of Israel for a variety of events. But it was originally just created as, let us settle there, and sort of the political stuff evolved out of that. So in the present day, Christian Zionism would basically be supporting Jewish people having a homeland in the Holy Land. Why people support that? There's a bunch of different reasons. There's a bunch of different reasons Jews supported it because there are religious Jews who believe that, you know,

the return to Israel is a religious commandment. It's a manifestation of God's will for them. There are non-religious Jews who just support it for secular reasons. They believe that, you know, the Jewish people should have a homeland to get away from anti-Semitism, to just have a homeland because nations should have homelands, things like that. So why do Christians support it? A variety of reasons. So a common one we heard on the show was just there's lines in the Bible. You know, the Lord will bless those who bless Israel.

And so they would transmute that to today with the Jewish people and, you know, the state that they have, Christians should support it the same way they should support, you know, Christian peoples. There's also, as Tyler mentioned, some believe there's an eschatological element related to the end of the world that like Israel existing will, you know, fulfill requirements for the end times. I will say, I hear about that reason a lot more from people who don't like Israel than I actually hear about it from other evangelical Zionists. So I know it exists. I've seen sermons about it. I've seen writings about it. But I don't feel for the average Christian Zionists. that's really the thing driving it.

And then another thing is just some people support it for like ordinary political reasons. You know, an argument I gave to Charlie, one of the best reasons to support Israel is just they are a like Western, modern, democratic, you know, fundamentally like, you know, kind of culturally European country that is constantly surrounded and under attack

by violent third world Islamism. And those third world Islamists, Hamas, the people who would go door to door, murdering people in Israel, would also be happy to go door to door, murdering people in Vienna or in London or in Washington, D.C., and a lot of left-wingers would seal clap about how much they love that if they saw that happening. And so a reason to support them would just be, okay, we oppose third world Islamism, and so we would support a nation that is under attack by it. So it's a complicated question. There's a lot of reasons Christians would be Zionists, and I don't think you want to reduce it to one. one thing. And there's differences in scale. So some Zionists would just say we offer them moral support. Some people would say we offer them, you know, financial and military support. Some people will go whole hog and, you know, arguably, you know, be fanatical supporters. And there's been complaints about some American politicians who seem that way. But it's a complicated

question, and I don't think you want to reduce it to one single stereotype of them in any way. It is any way you'd want to reduce anyone on, like, the immigration question. There's a lot of points of view that go into that as well. So I hope that's helpful for it. Well said. Well said. Christian Zionism is a term I never even really heard before recently, which is something. I mean, I've heard of Zionism, certainly.

But now it's sort of, you said, hurled insults back and forth. I think it's a term that's been hurled a lot more lately. Well, it's important to understand, too, the left is using that term to attack the right. Right. And so when people on our side adopt it, like even a huge tiny minority adopt that, they're actually helping, again, the left is really good at phraseologies. They did this. It was Christian nationalism, remember? And now it's Christian Zionism as part of that. And that's actually coming from a little bit of a more radicalized side on their side that the moderate Democrats are trying to be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, don't don't attack in that way because they're actually. bleeding a ton of members of the Jewish faith. And again, part of this is that you have a number of individuals who are Jewish that are now becoming more Republican, becoming more conservative. We're seeing this broad base across the country. And that really starts to impact states like New Jersey and other places. And they're worried about this. And so it is wholly, politically,

forget everything else other than what we know about the left is when they brand people certain ways and they utilize these terms. It's for their own benefit. And helping the left do that is wholly politically stupid. Counterproductive. Highly counterproductive. Yeah. Especially when, you know, again, I don't think the Israel issue is on the minds of most Americans. Like we're talking about this this week, especially about young people.

It's not on the minds of, it's not your top three issues. Your top three issues right now is focused on America first, which is putting food on the table, paying your rent slash mortgage. And where are my kids going to go to school? Are they going to be protected from, you know, criminals? Yeah, there is no doubt that the left has very much enjoyed the fractures and a vision that they're seeing on the right. And if we could all work as hard on elections and getting the vote out as we do on fighting with each other, we would be a much better place.

Let's focus our energies on winning elections. Listen, sometimes you've got to have these debates. Sometimes you've got to have them out in the open. And I think at the end of this debate, I hope that we end in a stronger, more unified place. And hopefully, listen, a coalition. they shift and they morph and they change over time and sometimes that comes through important debates and so I'm not afraid of the debate

but I do hope to Tiffany's point that we can really focus our attention moving forward on winning. And this is the benefit that's coming out of all this is like Christianity is and people rediscovering their faith is huge and so people trying to take away

from that with issues that are sub-issues again I don't think it's helpful and again there's a lot of fracturing within the Christian, I mean, I think this is really at its core where the fight exists is that people that believe different things within different Christian sex. And it's like, that is, that is, I've always been a battle within America. America has been known as the place where, you know, different elements of Christian faith have fought it out and they've had their differences, but then they've come together

and they've respected one another and they've built society that's the best society. that's the best society in the world. And so, again, we cannot allow the differences and opinions, even within our own core faith systems to fracture us. I think that the argument that is being made by a lot of people is like, hey, we can have mutual respect for one and other that we disagree on a lot of things faith-based. Everybody does.

But, you know, we have a lot more in common, particularly as Christians, The freedom to practice our religion in this country at all. It starts with free will and that is the free agency. That is a really important part to what makes us successful. Focus on building things that are positive within your own faith-based core and show others why your faith is the most, the things that you believe are the most important. And maybe take a page from the left in 2004, Jared Polis and the blueprint and say, let's check some of these issues at the door and understand that winning is the most important. important thing that we can do in order to take our country back.

You're not going to take your country back if you disagree. It's a good place to end it. Thank you guys. Great having you here, Tiffany, from Heritage Action. Honored to have all you. Thank you, Mikey. Thank you, Blake. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.