The Charlie Kirk Show - Ask Us Anything 253: Hard Times Create [Blank]? Getting Hired Without a Degree? Anti-Federalist Papers?

Episode Date: February 16, 2026

Mikey, Andrew, and Blake take an hour of questions live from CK Exclusives subscribers, including:   -The saying goes that “Hard times create strong men, good times create weak men.” But how would that quote work for women? -How does one get old-fashioned local GOPs to get with the times? -How can young men get hired without a college degree? -Is there anything conservatives could learn today from the Founders who opposed the Constitution?   Become an Exclusives subscriber and ask the team a question on-air by going to members.charliekirk.com. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com! Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!  Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I'm just glad to be here. I'm just happy to be here, too. I've been traveling this week, and I was under the weather. Just happy to just happy to be able. It's the best feeling when you finally get home. I was so exhausted last night. You could probably still hear it in my voice.

Anyways, I wanted to get two quick notes before we get to questions here. One is that Karen Taylor Robeson has dropped out of the gubernatorial primary on the Republican side here in Arizona. Okay, I was like, can I clap at that? She actually put out a very nice note basically saying that she made this very difficult decision because we didn't want to have

inviting on the conservative side and then we need to unite and win and that was it was very gracious I think she's going to score a lot of points with the conservative base in Arizona and certainly with us at turning point so that's exciting because we didn't know that was coming but Andy Biggs has a clear primary path and that's exciting because he's going to be the next governor of the state of Arizona something Charlie was very focused on and we are going remain very focused on as well. I got to take care of Katie. Oh, you know what? This is fun.

So we have this gray image. I have to show it. It is in, let me find it. It's, what number is it, guys? They put out, basically, Katie Hobbs put out a note. Here it is. Basically, an email after this happened saying that she is now up against Katie's billionaire opponent just dropped out, making Donald Trump in turning point actions,

handpicked candidate, Andy Biggs, the front runner. in the Republican primary. That is great. I mean, thank you for the advertisement, Katie Hobbs. Thank you for the for the press release. And I guess this is just multiple, multiple emails talking about turning point action and how she's up against us. Okay. You know, how about you're up against the voters, the conservative voters that want you out? But anyway, so that's fun. And then the second thing is we got inflation numbers back today. They came in better than expected. It was predicted to be at 2.7% inflation came in at 2.4. 2.4. So very, very good stuff there. We have our first question, it sounds like. Kelsey, Kelsey, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

Unmute yourself, if you can. Hi, guys. Thank you for taking Michael. So many of us know that famous, I think it's pronounced hop quote, good times, good times create weak men. weak men create hard times, hard times create strong men, strong men create good times. Charlie talked a lot about God's designs of distinctions, especially male, female. And in our overly feminized culture, that caters and craters to women's demands for comfort and sensitivity, I've been wondering if there's like a parallel hop-inspired quote, but for women and would love maybe your thoughts and ideas on that. All right, Blake, make one up. I'd have to make, so Hopf is, unfortunately, he's not a philosopher. He's actually, he's a science fiction author.

I was, I was actually very surprised to find that out. That, like, it sounds like a very old quote, or like, that would be classic. It's from a 2016 novel that G. Michael Hopp wrote. So I actually now have his quotes paid Joe phone on Goodreads to see if there's anything else. Like, there's other, it's very funny some of the other quotes they have. One of them is just Faraday boxes, which is probably not a quote that she's looking for. but big picture. Let's try to think on that.

Well, you know what made me think of was we just had her on Helen Andrews. Yeah. She's talking about the overfeminized culture and basically how we hit a tipping point at some point between 2015 and let's say, 22 in different industries that became majority female. And then the train goes off the route. I'm trying to think is there is there a kind of cyclical quote you could. come up with for for women i almost want to throw that at you kelsey if you have any thoughts that come to mind big families create strong women strong then strong women find big families annoying so their

daughters have small families small families create feminists feminists destroy the country i don't know something like that i chat t bt oh dear hard times create resilient women resilient women build strong families it's basically what you guys says Yeah. It was great. But then strong families indulge weak women. I don't know. Because you have to have the cycle to it. It has to circle back. It's an interesting question. I mean, what I would think of, whatever you were going to come up with, you think of what are core themes with women. Like women are more nurturing. Also, what Charlie would talk about, that women are very much a norm enforcer group. They're often the people who uphold the rules of society. And so that's one reason we've seen feminism drive a lot of things. Way. Young women are fed a bad life script. It makes them unhappy. It also encourages them to enforce really bad rules on people.

It's the school marm or the church lady. That's the idiom they'll use even for a woman who hasn't been to church in her entire life or since she was a kid. The ones who are showing up to scream at you, to nag you, to say like, oh, you have to care. You have to have the BLM square. You have to support trans kids. The people who are showing up to block ice cars. Those are people who, in a different context, if they were raised with a better script, they might be saying, oh, you can't cheat on your spouse. Like, you're living with your mistress.

You're not allowed to do that. Stop drinking too much. Stop drinking so much. That could be really annoying, too, but it was for a pro-social, a good thing, whereas now they're activated on an evil thing. And so I think if you were going to get the equivalent quote, whatever it is, you'd have to capture that element of things. Charlie also broke down the difference between the macro and the micro, right? Women really tend to major on the micro, which would be sort of interpersonal relationships. And men tend to think about, you know, business deals and negotiations.

It's not that they don't work both ways or that, you know, men oftentimes will fixate on relationships too. But it just in the general, in the larger context, that tends to be more true than not. and we'd also talk about how we need to have a proper balance of the masculine and feminine. So a healthy society has a proper balance of masculine and feminine and men are given a role which they can thrive in. Women are given

a role in which they can thrive in and when you get on an unhealthy balance and this is what Helen Andrews is talking about. We have a clip from her if we want it. Let's do it. Let's play 571. But if you want to put it in a single sentence, you could say that feminization equals wokeness. Everything you think of

as wokeness is simply an epiphenomenon of demographic feminization. Think about all the things that wokeness means, valuing empathy over rationality, safety over risk, conformity and cohesion over competition and hierarchy. All of these things are privileging the feminine over the masculine. So if you have ever wondered why wokeness appeared out of nowhere when it did, that is my hypothesis that all of the institutions that began admitting women in the 1970s eventually got enough women that they were able to reorient them. And it's as you said, it's balance that matters. So those things like empathy over rationality or safety over risk, that's not actually just a bad thing necessarily, but you think of where would be an environment where you would

want to, for example, prize cohesion over competition, where would you want inclusion over free speech. I can think of an obvious spot in a family. In a family, you sometimes have to say, you just need to be quiet because you're upsetting all of your siblings. In a family, we need safety. We're not recklessly doing dangerous things. In a family, sometimes we're not fully rational. We have to care about loving each other above everything. That works in a family. And you need to cultivate that. But it's out of balance. Yeah, it's out of balance if your big institutions of society are that. Because all of society, is not the family. Well, think about the military. You would basically flip all of those. You would want

rationality over empathy. You would want risk over safety. Well, maybe most of the time. But you have to take risks in wartime. You'd want competition. You would value the best getting to the top, the most lethal, the most courageous, the most competent. In business, you're not going to innovate if your priority is just inclusion over free speech. Absolutely. Every day, American make choices that shape our country's future, right down to which cell phone provider we support. Here's what most people don't realize.

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All right, I think we have Kelsey. Kelsey back on. She thought of a quote. Oh boy. Let's give it a shot, Kelsey. Okay. So my shot is like I was thinking of, you know, Charlie loves scripture.

He was amazing at it, you know, knowing it. And so like when I think of, okay, great woman, not so great woman, you've got your Proverbs 31 woman, you know, the noble woman who cares for her family. she's business oriented, all those good things. And then I think of the Second Timothy three women, who's very influenced by the evil of the day. And it says, like, the evil people gain control over weak-willed women who are loaded down with sins and swayed by evil desires,

always learning, but never able to acknowledge the truth. Dang. So maybe, like, peaceful times, create weak-willed women, weak-willed women create hard times, hard times create noble women noble time create peaceful times that's fine wow it could be proverbs 31 women that was great I like Andrew's gonna tweet that I man I always learning but never willing to acknowledge the truth

I'm just thinking of the you know the ones you get a little too many grad degrees I mean listen I have like 14 examples in my mind as soon as she started talking about that of yeah well listen that was well done and so thank you you for that and thank you for calling in. And I think we have Anthony next. Anthony, welcome back to the show. What's up, guys? Howie?

You're becoming quite the regular. Yeah, I noticed that myself, actually, Blake, as I'm swamped with work today. Any of the subscribers could be a regular, by the way. Like, we have a lot of you, and we have a lot of you. We know we have a bunch of you in the call, but a lot of them don't necessarily send the question. Raise your hand, ask the questions. You can ask us anything. Be more like Anthony.

You can ask. You could ask me what my favorite teenage mutant ninja turtle is if you wanted to. I don't know Charlie's favorite, though. Yeah, we're going to pass on that one, Blake. So here's my, so here's my question, guys. We see two styles of the GOP party. We have the old regime, and it even goes down into the local communities, and we have the new style.

So I went to my county's GOP meeting, this committee meeting, to pick our who's run for office, for local elections in Congress and state and stuff. It's all the same old cronies. I'm sorry to use that term, but it's, they, and what I saw is I asked someone who I know there very well, if any of these people will win. And the answer I was told was no,

because they don't want to change the way they do stuff. And they just keep recycling the same style of campaign and whatnot. Like the communications person for our thing, they sat on the stage and took, photos from behind when people were giving their speeches saying, hey, thank you for picking me to be your nominee. How do we fix this? Because it's never- Are you talking about like local positions within your county GOP or something like that? Yeah, but we, so my county is also a district for Congress. Okay. So we, so we had to nominate our

person that's going to go against a Democrat candidate. So it's district 25. So even that, we had to do that one plus because new york states change the elections to now everything's on the federal years for every election it doesn't matter what it is so like how do you get the old party to start letting the new party come in the work things to make it better to try to win yeah you know this is a huge problem i've talked about this with uh tyler boyer a lot so if you go to like a local county gop um you will you will come and there's there's people that have been there for years like decades and These guys have never missed a meeting. They're usually, you know, kind of your gray haired.

And this is kind of what they live for. And what we've noticed is that when younger people come into these meetings and they feel, I mean, they're very, it's like high school. It's like you got mean girls. You got clicks. You got like everybody hates one faction versus the other faction. I want a great example. A great example is the Nebraska legislature when we were trying to get them to do winter take off.

And it was just such, Charlie was, it was venting. about this that you get people who when you're almost in when you're in a system that has existed it's like a little closed off from everyone like who's going into nebraska politics usually so it shortens your time horizon it shortens your like horizon basically you stop looking at the national picture you stop looking at big trends and you start fixating on oh i've known the same people for a long time i have my grievances with this person i'm friends with this person often for reasons that aren't what would normally drive political alliances very personal and you get really homed in on that.

And that can happen at your county GOP level. Oh, I'm with this person because I feuded with this person over who is running for county commissioner or something. It's even like who is who is a treasurer or like, you know, how we're going to how we're going to do like tabling or signups for it. I mean, the most petty stuff I've seen at the local GOP level. It's really sad. And then young people come in and they feel completely alienated. Yeah, that's the thing to do with it because it feels like a completely like different world. and it feels unrelated to current events.

Yeah, that's the biggest thing, too, that I've seen is young people, it's like you brought up the Nebraska thing. Charlie's this young guy, he comes in trying to push the winner-take-all narrative in Nebraska and change what has been Nebraska's, you know, norm for so long. We've never done it this way before. And there's literally one guy. I won't forget this. Blake, do you remember this?

There's one guy, and he was like 70-something, and he was like, he had been part of the legislature there for, you know, 30 years. I'm not changing. I'm not changing. You're just a young buck. What do you know that I don't? You don't know Nebraska. Well, and it's their little fiefdoms of power. So they don't realize how insignificant and how irrelevant sort of their little fiefdom is, but yet they're willing to sort of, you know, create a bunch of enemies and dig their heels in on the most irrelevant stuff. I also think there's a third faction of the GOP that's being born. You have like the old guard and then this new guard which, you know, like the rhinos and now MAGA.

And I think there's a third which is like, it's very interesting. It's like the new right people that just don't care anymore and they think everything's rigged and everything's fake. And they don't want to vote. Like they don't want to get vote. They don't want to get engaged in politics. And I think this is going to be a huge. Right. Yes.

The nihilism. Yeah. I see to my local area, actually, there's somebody I know he has two sons. They're both voting age. One refuses to vote on any election. Yeah. Well, it's a huge problem. So how do we fix it?

You have to, you have to, well, listen, what culture. That's a, that's a big thing. First of all, you need to make sure people have a belief that things can get better and that your voice matters and that your vote matters. And that's a huge, huge deal. One of the reasons why we need to pass a SAVE Act, for example. Hey, everyone. We're excited to tell you about Charlie's favorite supplement.

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how do you fix it and again i've talked with tyler boyer about this a lot one of the best sort of outgrowth of turning point action it wasn't necessarily something that we planned but we have turning point action for example in all 10 technical swing states which includes like iowa right which is it hasn't really true swing state for a while but what we found is that when we into these places, we get a lot of young people, we get a lot of fresh blood because we have a different brand. It's a different kind of, we attract different types of people. And then what happens is we end up, you know, inevitably working or partnering with local GOPs and we then therefore inject all this new blood. Now, in a state like New York, which I believe you're in, Anthony, obviously hasn't been a focus. So we don't have as big of a presence there. But just creating an outside group, like kind of having this third party outside group that's very friendly, very fairly.

but has a whole different energy, a whole different DNA, a different culture. That has been a huge injection of new life in a lot of these places. And sometimes there's conflicts. Like in Wisconsin, you know, we've got Brett Galeshefsky, who was running TP Action up in Wisconsin. He's our enterprise director on Turning Point Action Side. But he's like Mr. Wisconsin. He has become a lot of those, our Turning Point people have then been elected to local GOP roles. And they've injected huge new energy there.

but some of the old dogs don't like it. And so I would constantly get calls from, you know, local reporters in Wisconsin being like, the local JLP is very upset at you. And they're very, they don't like what turning point action is doing. And they think if we're trying to take things over. No, it's more organic than that. It's just we have young people, a lot of energy. People like the new blood.

They want to like vote them into office at the local GOP level. So we've seen that. We've seen that a lot. And I think that's kind of the way forward is you got to get kind of outside groups to inject new energy. So that's that's my theory of the case there. All right. That might maybe work out this way. Yeah, exactly. So maybe you could work with our turning point action people. If there's some contested elections, that would be something that we could maybe get behind with our app and our ballot chasing. It'd have to be on a volunteer basis because New York is not one of our targets for actual

spend, but we can still get the local GOP up and running on the app, ballot chasing data, all those things. Okay. Yeah, that's no problem. I'll definitely look into that and everything. I appreciate it. guys awesome thank thanks anthony all right next up we have christine christine welcome to the charlie kirk show please unmute yourself and welcome hi hi thanks for taking my question and congratulations on a great half-time show it really was fantastic it was all mikey i don't know about that he at least was given in for me i was basically like in the dark the whole time well we kept it had pretty under wraps we kept it pretty under wraps uh anyways it was great thank you thank you all right we're going to do it again next year. So, you know, spread the word. We, we absolutely will. Can't wait. My question is,

it's kind of a lofty idea, but I figured I just throw it out there. I was just curious if any high school or college chapters have ever considered hosting family events. I have three young kids and, you know, I'm always looking for ways to get them around good role models. And they love being around big kids too. And selfishly, I'd love to be around parents who are maybe a life-save, ahead of me, you know, to learn from them and was just curious if that has ever, that you know, have been considered before. Yeah. So Tyler Boyer chimed in on the chat and he said, Turning Point Families is what TPSA Faith should be doing at the chapter level. He goes, I told them that a long time ago. So it's actually a good idea because we have, you know, obviously within the C3,

which is TPSA, we have the high schools, which is Club America. we have the college vertical. So these are sort of different teams. Then we have TPSA Faith and Turning Point Academy as well. And that's all under the C3. There are a few other things, production, social media, things like that. But those are kind of the different areas of focus. And I do think that they could do a family mixers and like barbecue.

I mean, a lot of this stuff is very chapter based. And like what I mean by that is it's very college based. So these chapters get together and they do, how do we get together with, and recruit more kids. How do we, we'll do, you know, like different events to incorporate more of the campus life and we'll push back against censorship. So it's kind of very local based and very local to their own university. But I love this idea of getting the families together. And we should, we should push that out and make it a thing.

And turning point faith, TPSA Faith could get behind that. So it's a great idea, Christine. We don't have it yet, but there's always room for improvement. So thank you for the idea. Oh, well, I appreciate it, guys, and keep up the great work. Thank you so much. And thanks for your kind words about the halftime show. Oh, we got one from Mikey here.

This is Mick. Mick, you're up next. Unmute yourself. Yes, sir. Welcome to the show. All right, I do have a question for Mikey, and then I have a question for y'all, but I'll start with Mikey. So I'm a 21-year-old living in Oregon, and I never went to college and never had plans

to go to college. And that sounds like that's a similar path that you took. I want to know if you have any advice for, you know, guys like me coming out of high school that, you know, want to stay involved and want to be engaged. And after he answers, I want to hear all of your favorite Ninja Turtles. Mine is Donatilla. Mine is Don't know. Okay. Yeah.

So I always joke that Charlie kind of saved me and indoctrinated me a little bit because I legitimately. No, he did. He saved me. But I was supposed to take out $300,000 in student loans. Yeah, yeah. And I was supposed to go to college. I had my college plans and everything. And then he was like, no, don't go to college.

Come work for me. And so it started as a gap year. It's been, you know, six gap years. But here's my best advice. This is what I always say to high schoolers. In your community, the people you know, the big businesses you know, the most successful people you know, identify those people. And when you're graduating and you don't want to go to college, beg for a meeting,

annoy the crap out of them until they give you a meeting. Did I give you this advice? No, dude. I've been saying this for years. Oh, that's great. And then keep calling the secretary until they give you a meeting with the CEO of the company. Say, I only need five minutes. I only need five minutes.

Go there, sit down with them and say, look, I'm graduating high school. I'm not going to college. I want to come work for you. I will do whatever it takes. I'll be the first to arrive, the last to leave. There's no amount of hours I'm not willing to spend to figure something out. if I don't understand it. I'll be the hardest working employee you have. And at the end of my gap year, at the end of this year, you can either say that you got this entire year of work out of me

and you don't even have to pay me. It could be a free year of work. Or you can say this person's so good, I want to hire them full time. And 10 times out of 10, they will hire you full time. And he will immediately hire you. Entrepreneurs, CEOs, business owners, if they see a young hustling kid like that walk into their office and say something just like that, they will hire you. No, totally. So I gave my, I didn't realize you've been giving this advice. I gave my nephew the same advice. So my brother started having kids way younger and he's older than me. So like his, his eldest son is in college now. And he, I asked him, you know, what do you want to do? And he was like, well, I'm really into like property management and like business, commercial real estate. And I want to like kind of get into

that space. So I said, okay, come back to me with. the top three firms in town. Like go do your research, come back to me. I said, okay, so he comes back to me. These are the top three firms. Okay, who are the top two executives at each firm? Get me, get me them. Okay, now get me, get me their contact information, like assistance, emails, phone numbers.

And so he called around and got all of them. And I said, okay, you harassed these three people until somebody takes a meeting with you. And he got, he got a paid internship within two weeks doing exactly that. And I told him, I said, you need to be willing to work for free for at least six months, maybe 12. And don't complain. Just say, yes, sir, no, ma'am, all of those things. All you do is you are willing and able and excited, enthusiastic, eager. You have to be so positive.

Because here's your, especially young generations, they are whiners, complainers. I'm not, listen, I'm very pro young people, very pro Gen Z, Gen Z, Gen Alpha. but listen, the rap on you is that your complainers, you're not hard workers, all this stuff. Prove that's not true with you. And if you do that, if you are a standout, exceptional, then I'm telling you, to Mikey's point, an entrepreneur will look at you and see themselves in you

and want to make you the best thing that you can be, and pour into you. Ninja Turtle. Quick. Oh, shoot. Yeah. Michelangelo. I mean, this is the normie answer at Leonardo.

I didn't watch it. I grew up on like, have a time. That doesn't matter. I have a favorite Ninja Turtle. There's only four. Dude, I didn't want. Do you like blue, purple, red, or orange? Okay.

Oh, Michael Angela. Oh, Mike. Yeah, Blake's take. I just. Leonardo clearly. Oh, Rich Paris. Leonardo and Michelangelo. Thanks, Rich.

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I wanted to get a email very quickly. That was very good. And then we have Brandon. We have Brandon, but I also wanted to hit this quick because we talked about marijuana a lot at the top of the show. I thought this was a great email we got. I'm going to leave her name out of it. But she says, hi, CKS team. I don't normally do this, but was inspired to write.

Thank you for talking on the show about the dangers of marijuana. I lived the weed psychosis nightmare myself. And I watched as my boyfriend, who was a heavy user, began to succumb to delusions and erratic behavior. I had to get him emergency mental health treatment, where he was diagnosed with marijuana-induced bipolar disorder. I had to learn how to navigate his paranoia, and his rage because he refused to stop using.

I myself had begun to use weed during this time and I saw its negative impacts on my motivation, on my emotional regulation and on my thought processes. It was a terrifying time in my life. With praise and thanks to God, I am now free of both the weed and the relationship. More people need to be talking about these risks. Thank you very much for that email. And we want everyone listening.

If you're out there, if you're doing weed, listen to that. That could be your future. Leave it behind. Reject the poison. No poison. Yeah, I love this. First Corinthians 6-2, everything is permissible for me, but not everything is beneficial. Everything is permissible for me, but I will not be mastered by anything.

And I think about that all the time because, you know, I had a pastor who said two, he said a lot of great things. By the way, he went to Princeton. used to do Bible studies with Franklin Graham. This guy who married me and my wife. Don Williams, amazing, amazing guy. He used to say, he had so many things.

The meaning of life is relationships. That was one of his one good ones. He said, Faith is spelled R-I-S-K, which is another good one. But he used to say everybody's an addict. Everybody's addicted to something, but you do not be mastered by anything.

And let Christ empower you, overcome your addictions, overcome your flesh, live by the spirit, not by the flesh. We've got one more question. Brandon, unmute yourself. Hey guys, can you hear me?

Yes. So my question is if there's anything in the anti-federalist papers or like constitutional convention or anything that the anti-federalists said that you think if we implemented back then that it would have been, you know, it would have worked out for us. Well, I think we actually did implement. We did implement one. So the anti-federalists, for those are not aware, they're the ones who argued against the Constitution. So the federalists were the ones who said ratify the Constitution after the convention.

The anti-federalists generally campaigned against it. But as I'm sure you likely know, Brandon, the main thing that they pointed out as a problem was that there was no Bill of Rights in the Constitution as originally drafted. And George Mason, for example, campaigned against it because it did not have that. And for that, sometimes he's called the father of the Bill of Rights. And that is what we got. And I think we've very much learned. They were correct. Sometimes you'll hear people say, oh, the Bill of Rights might have been a mistake because

it gave people the idea, oh, the government can do anything that's not explicitly forbidden in the Bill of Rights. And I think instead, we've learned over and over that having those explicit protections, they tried to get around what is explicitly banned in the Bill of Rights. But they have at least a very hard time doing it. That's repeatedly been our shield against so much. much over which having explicit freedom of speech, explicit right to bear arms. We would 110% have banned guns in this country if we did not have the Second Amendment there,

awkwardly getting in the way of them doing it. And the First Amendment, too. Yeah, First Amendment. And there's the, I completely agree with what Blake is saying. And actually, it's funny, I was recently reading back through a biography of George Washington. And I kept sympathizing with the anti-federalist more and more. You know, it's like, well, by the way, you got to remember the, we think of our founders almost as monolithic.

They were not. They had deeply passionate, vehement, sometimes, like, come to blows, fist to cuffs, kind of arguments about the size and scope of the federal government. And, you know, Jefferson, Jefferson notoriously was of a different mind than George Washington. Washington and Hamilton believed in a lot more centralized power with the federal government and Jefferson was much more state's rights guy. So I totally encourage you to study the founding fathers and the founding generation. There's good stuff to be gleaned from both, but to Blake's point, we got a lot of good stuff out. I'm trying to think of something that wasn't implemented

because they wanted the bill of rights. I do recall, sorry, yes? What's that? Well, so the the one that I think that, I mean, I see why they didn't put it in, but. But they were debating a veto on state laws. They wanted the power to invalidate or negative improper state laws. And I see why they said no. Or state nullification of federal laws? State laws. So that national Congress would nullify improper state laws.

So like, for example, we obviously have a lot of gun laws that are unconstitutional. And the national government could just come in and say, hey, you know, that's unconstitutional. No, doesn't work. Well, we do have a process by which we can do that through the courts, right? So if the state institutes a law that is anti-constitutional, then that can get litigated up through the courts and then ultimately the Supreme Court could take it up and then basically say that's an unconstitutional law. So there is a process. And by the way, we do have supremacy clause, right? The federal government is supreme. So, and you, by the way, you've seen that specifically. with gun laws in countless states, especially blue states that have tried to institute unconstitutional, you know, gun laws, and they've been overturned, much of their chagrin. And yet there is a tension there, right? Like in California, you still can do concealed carry in California, but they make it extraordinarily difficult. But it's been saved by this. I'm trying to think of something the anti-federalists wanted that wasn't actually included in the

Bill of Rights. And a warning I'm recalling they did have is they were concerned that the judiciary would be too powerful that they were saying the Supreme Court could just basically make whatever laws we want. And what's funny is we didn't see that for a long time. For a long time, there was a lot of restraint. And now really over the last century or so, we've actually seen that manifestation of the courts being extremely powerful. Part of this is just, I think part of it is the Supreme Court that they have those life terms and that's now turned into you're on the court 40, 45, 50 years. And it's not so much that that's bad. That's worked to our advantage. But I think it's a made all of American politics start to revolve around the Supreme Court dynamics and what you can

engineer through the courts. And I sometimes wonder if people would be less all consumed with it if it was something like the Supreme Court was an 18-year term and every president by default would get two nominations to the court. So you don't have a majority of the court until you've won three presidential elections in a row. And then it doesn't last for half a century due to the quirks of who managed to get nominees in. It's something I think about. But it has, frankly, worked out to our benefit. Well, and I will tell you that wherever they can exploit a loophole or a power vacuum,

connivers and corruptors will find a way to wiggle in there and manipulate it for their own good. All right, Mikey, thank you for joining us. Sir, thank you for having me. Blake, it's been a good show. Thank you, everybody. Good questions. Always be ready to join. We love having you. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliecirk.com.