The Charlie Kirk Show - Banish the Word "Inevitable" ft. Dr. Larry Arnn

Episode Date: January 21, 2026

Are republics doomed to a steady decay into identity politics, leftism, bankruptcy, and collapse? Hillsdale president Larry Arnn explains why nothing is predestined, least of all for America, which has the oldest written constitution in the world. Then, Peter Schweizer discusses how Chinese billionaires are siring literally hundreds of children in America through both birth tourism and surrogacy, setting the stage for the largest foreign influence operation in history. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com! Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Dr. Larry Arne. Welcome, welcome back, sir. Great to be with you. Honored, as always, to have you, to have your friendship and your partnership and to have your thoughts when it comes to this show because we are sort of a news of the day. We cover these changing themes, and the world events. And one of the things that we were talking about in hour one was you,

you sort of have two storylines that I think are going to prove tectonic. You have Virginia is now Democrat run. Governor Yonkin is no more. We've got Spanberger and the Democrat, she's got, I mean, it's a trifecta, right? They've got the legislature and they've got the governor's mansion. They're going full Marxist instantly. Trump lost that state by six points. That's six points, but they're acting like full-on California. Simultaneously, you've got a storyline in Davos, where they're signaling a green light to China. Yeah. And it might be easy for us to sort of black pill on this.

And I guess there is a question, you know, a larger question over arching all of this, which is, are liberal Western democracies prone or is it inevitable, this slide into a malaise into leftism? So there's a lot there, Dr. Arm, but you're the only one I could think of that could handle all of those questions all at once. There you go. Well, the first thing is that every person should banish the idea of inevitability in human affairs from their life. Perfect. One of the themes you learn if you study the very great Winston Churchill is it's not trends that matter, it's choices. and you just think of the amazing reversals

that have happened in the world. I mean, Trump is such a reversal, right? That's the reason he's hated because remember these movements, China is part of the movement and the European Union is part of the movement and the liberalism in Western liberal democracies it's progressivism

and that's an offshoot of German historicism and its thought is history is going somewhere we can know what that is and we can serve it. And where it's going is the transformation of everything under our control. That's what they believe. That's one of the biggest ideological movements. If anybody wants to read that,

Hillside College has a Constitution course with a Constitution reader. Every kid has got to take it. You can get it. The last third of it is the writing of the early, American progressives. And what they believed was this is inevitable. This is going to happen.

And it's the only promise because we now know, by the way, that we don't really know anything objectively and we know that there is no God. And so the old idea of the laws of nature

and nature's God, they reject that. And so this is their effort to give meaning meaning to lives that they think fundamentally don't have any. And so, yeah, it's fierce, right? They believe in it. They believe in it as bringing meaning to their lives.

And that means they won't lightly reform. Now, why are they not, is it not inevitable? Well, first of all, it won't work. It can't work. A human being is a thing. I was just in there watching Charlie's children eat their breakfast. And what delightful kids. Charlie married above himself, and he was a heck of a guy.

Still, he managed to do that. So that's nature, right? She mourns her husband, and she loves those kids. And the energy it takes to raise those kids, that's nature. Actually, the word nature comes from a Latin word that means birth. That cannot go away except toward destruction. So in America, in Virginia, I mean, first of all, who lives in Northern Virginia? And what do they do for a living?

And so just remember, gradually and over a long time, this kind of thing has been deeply entrenched in the American government. and there's an effort. When Donald Trump says drain the swamp, he says something revolutionary. He's talking about, I even think he knows it, but it certainly is what it means. He's talking about returning to a form of government

that is more limited, that is more local, and that places responsibility in individual hands and community hands. If you just take a snap, of the government of the United States any time before 1930 and compare it to a snapshot today, you will see that the government is much larger as a percentage of the economy. It's gone since 1930, it's gone from 12% to 51%.

And it is much more centralized. The federal government has gone of that 12%. The federal government was about 23%. Now of the 51% it's about 63%. and then it passes money down, right? So we have a centralized form employing millions of people with interest and groups wedded to it, including lots of economic interests, but all kinds of interest,

and it gets its moral energy from this thing we can recreate the world. I mean, the family. I just talked about Charlie's children, and you just talked about a bill, that sex is not natural. It's what it says. But come to find out every living person comes from that process.

And it took two. Now, pretty soon, I wouldn't be surprised, if we don't get the ability to manufacture people. Then we will further look at people as manufactured items instead of creatures blessed with divine reason. So yeah, that's where it's going.

And because it won't work, I mean, all you got a, that hideous strength mentioned a minute ago, right? Blake's got the book. It was one of the four books they advertised in the ad, so the totalitarian novel scores. So I read it over Christmas.

So the only one I hadn't read. That thing, and it'll see as Lewis. It will frighten you to death. because it just shows that this effort I mean, what is distinctive about it off Hitler? He's the first person to build a modern factory for the slaughter and processing of human beings and a transportation system to go with it.

Nobody ever did that before. Why would he do that? He wanted to perfect the world according to his will. and you know we know Christians know but read the classic books they know too

the pagan ones included heaven is not on this earth and if you try to make it so you'll turn it into hell so yeah that's what the fight is about and it's a fundamental fight it's like I've been saying this for years

and I believe it right now The great crises in American history are the Revolutionary War, won by the skin of our teeth, and the Civil War, won by the skin of our teeth, and this one. And we don't know how it's going to come out. But the reason I think that is because the Declaration of Independence presents a view of nature that it's universal and eternal and says that we have our rights under that, never rightly to be taken away. And that's a fixity, right? and it gives rise to a constitution.

Those are the two things we're arguing about today, and those are characteristic, two things we argue about in every fundamental controversy. So you're juxtaposing Hegel's dialectic with sort of a natural law from the creator. Right. Right. And I love that because I think the Europeans

are really into Hegel, and the American way is really into the revolution, you know, the, the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. Aristotle. Yes. And you basically are having this collision of philosophies that underlies these geopolitical arguments, tariffs, China, sexes.

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President Trump is fighting for America's future. Now it's your term to help protect yours. You feared, or at least proposed, that one of the most logical, outcomes was that Europe was going to go with China. Yeah, yeah. We just set up this dichotomy between Hegel and the Declaration of Independence, laws of nature and nature's God. America is on one side of that philosophical argument. Europe seems to be on the other. Did that inform that thought, or was it more of a surface level, their de-industrialization, their lack of military might? No, it's... And what are the implications? Well, China,

China is a top-down society. It's a heavily modified form of Marxism. You know, Marx with Chinese characteristics they've always said. What it is is despotism. And that means the party decides and people obey. They're very clever at it. They've liberated it enough so they can grow and produce. and they teach you talk about education

what you learn in Chinese schools first of all you learn a lot they're very competitive but the second thing you learn is the Chinese people have been afflicted by the West we're the great victim people and so they grow up thinking that a little bit like the way children learned in Germany

for a long time in Europe and the people People seem a little too ready to put up with a lot out of their government, but on the other hand, tens of millions of them have been killed by the government, and so they got reasons, and they make a pretty good living these days better than they used to. So that's China, and it's thriving. Well, what is the European Union? Is it real accountability of the government to the people? They have enormous powers, but people are elected from all those many countries. to run a parliament and people don't go and vote in those elections because they don't really feel part of it. And so, I mean, there's a guy named Daniel Hannan who was a very good member of the European

parliament and Nigel Farage was a member for a while too. And just read them, read their speeches there about how this is not really a sensible, a sense, a system of accountability to the people. And remember, there isn't a piece. There are many peoples, and they don't speak the same language. And so it's this bureaucratic state with this tissue of a legislature to control it that doesn't really control it. And so what's not to like about China to that bunch of people? And I've thought that for years.

And, you know, my wife is English and we follow the English news and grieve over it a lot lately. and you know they're going to censor the internet and they're going to you know they're doing all that stuff replacement immigration yeah and it's and they don't and i think they think they can manage all that but they they don't china seems to me highly competent in important ways i mean they got a bigger navy than we got and they're building ships much faster And see, part of this thing about Europe flirting with them is China in some direct measures of power is waxing. We don't know how good their military is.

It hasn't been tested, but it's big, and only a fool would not take it seriously. And so, yeah, I had a Hungarian minister, I won't say his name, good guy, very good guy. And he's, a Hungary, you know, it's got a good government by my lights, Orban, and he was in Orban's cabinet at the time. And he gave a talk about how the European Union was dangerous to Hungary and to the world. And it seemed true to me the talk.

And then I'm talking to him later and I said, I understand that you have welcomed the belt and road of China into Hungary. He said, oh yeah, we had to. And I said, why? He said, Poland has it and won't share. And we're an elected government and we need prosperity and we got to trade and who is around for us to trade with. There's the European Union of which we're part and which finds us a million dollars a week, I think, or a day for our immigration policies. and there's Russia

we have a lot of experience with Russia we don't really trust them so China is this third more distant party and this guy who's got no sympathy whatsoever with communism thinks it's an achievement to get the Belt and Road in Hungary

as it is in Poland well it'll be in France France has not had any growth to speak of forever and it's a very and you know the The more conservative parties, which are all called alt-right, are waxing in France,

but are the people really going to get to choose? That's a question. So, yeah, it's a very dangerous picture. And, you know, back at home, there might be some limit to the energy of Donald Trump, but we haven't found it yet. And then on the other hand, he's got three years. And typically, presidents are weaker after the midterms, although he's a freak and a force of nature.

He might not be. You never know what he's going to do. And, you know, it could be that, you know, and what the hope is, and what the expectation is, by the way, in the official press is he's peaking right now. and it'll be downhill from here. And who can do what he did? Once we get rid of him, we'll be in control again.

That's their thinking. They're confident. And that this thing in Virginia is not surprising. They're going to make hay while the sun shines, and they expect it to keep shining. And yeah, and that means that what? That means, but see, I don't, you know, it's a very good idea to study Winston Churchill

because you'll be quick to see that it might be a desperate situation and quick to see that's why we're here let's do something about it and unfortunately maybe quick to see that even the most heroic figure there's no permanent wins and there's no permanent defeats so Winston Churchill did save Britain but we have to cover Britain all the time now

and there's a new problem where I don't think Churchill would have ever thought that Islam taking over Britain was a likely future for his country, yet there are people who fought in that war who now have to see that happening.

Well, my wife's father was he left Dunkirk Beach the last day anybody did. Then he was in Singapore and he was captured by the Japanese and became a P.O.W. of the Japanese. He was a camp commander. That's a brutal.

For sure, you know. That's a brutal. And his father before him fought in all the battles of the sum in the First World War. Those are people who sacrificed, right? But here's something for us all to know, you know, like

Charlie Kirk believed in babies and I do too. Got to have some babies. Got to get married and have some babies. Because now you're meeting the test of life, right? Fully. Because everybody has to meet the test of making a living, trying to live well, but then now you've got to do it with some other people.

But here's a lesson that comes from that. We have to do what we can do to prepare the world for the next generation, but we don't get to live for them. You see, like the institutions of America, they are made. Here's a great story. Thomas Jefferson, who, you know, was a very great man and also once in a while kind of a dingbat. He writes a letter to James Madison, his friend, close colleague,

and says, Madison is getting ready to help write the Constitution of what became the Constitution of the United States and Jefferson writes and says that every contract and every law including this constitution you're writing should sunset every human generation

every 33 years the earth belongs to the living he said and Madison writes him back and says it actually is a specific function of the Constitution to set up an institution that prevails across generations. And Jefferson did what he commonly did,

he row back, and said, yeah, I guess you're right. But the truth is, we should, first of all, we need to preserve our institutions. They're the longest surviving written constitution in all of human history, and it has worked. We have to restore it. And the list of things to do is simple. First of all, the word decentralizes,

is crucial to everything that needs to be done to the government. We need to return power as close to the people as possible. And then the federal government should be in supreme control of things that are simply national. Congress should start making the laws again. Now they make about 10 or 15 percent of them, and the rest are made in the bureaucracy. Or by executive order. That's really, I think, the big secret with when President Trump demands getting rid of the filibuster, It's that it's practically a call to say make Congress real again.

Yeah. Because it's so fake because they can't pass anything with 60 votes. And see, the filibuster, I actually support the filibuster, just return to what it in fact is. What it was was an argument, was a policy in the Senate only, that if you've got something pertinent to say, we don't vote until everybody said it. That means you've got to be on the floor talking, and it's got to be on the floor talking. and it's got to be pertinent. This has been an absolute treat, Dr. Arn. I would love for you to,

but I really, I'm hanging on every word here about getting us back to what Congress is supposed to be, so I want to let you finish your thought here. Yeah, well, the laws are not, Mike, Senator Lee, a buddy of mine from Utah, keeps a cabinet and it's about this wide and it's

you know, four and a half feet tall, and it's got three bays, and what it's full of is the law's passed. in the last two-year Congress. And that means more pages than anyone will ever read. No one has ever read it all. No one ever will.

Well, 80% or 85% of those laws are made in the bureaucracy. And that's why the government can be so big and intrude into so much. So one of the things we've got to do is reform that. And that's a big job, and we have to win a series of elections committed to the doing of that. And it doesn't mean that the regulations have to go away. There's not so many and not so federal. It doesn't mean that, you know, first of all, the infrastructure of America is in a bad way

and the government has never been bigger. What's to spend the money on? And so, you know, we have to, they're just worlds to conquer. We are the people who have a pattern. We had success doing it. this. And I'll just say one last thought. The American people came across an ocean, half knowing where they were going, knowing next to nothing about it. They established the first free and representative

government in human history, and they settled an entire continent. By the way, the extent of which they didn't know for 30 years after the country was founded. And they extended that kind of government all the way across. There's never been anything like that. It's wonderful. And so we should fight for it. And we have a 250 year birthday that you are taking part in directly. You're consulting the commission and you guys have videos you're doing with the White House.

I meant to get into more of that. But we went into some deep waters. But I think that was so important, Dr. Arnd, especially setting up that first piece of what makes, America's philosophical starting point so distinct from the European starting point and how that still plays out in our geopolitics and in our trade and immigration. I think that was really important, Dr. Arne. I really do. And I hope people listen to that. And one other thing I learned from Hillsdale, and this is from the Constitution course, is that our system intentionally sets up power to be spread out

over geography and over time. And so we have to win more elections. We have to string some wins together if we're going to get real reform. But Dr. Larian, you are a treasure, a national treasure, and a dear friend. Go to Charlie for Hillsdale.com if you want to hear more and learn more and learn the classics, learn from Hillsdale. You guys are doing a tremendous service for this country, Dr. Arne. Thank God for you guys.

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All right. I'm so excited. We thought we were going to do this yesterday, but now we're doing it today. And that's Peter Schweitzer, his new book, The Invisible Coup. Peter, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. It's great to have you. And congratulations on your new book. Oh, great. Thank you. It's great to be with you guys. And, I mean, I don't know, you're putting me in a bind here following Larry Arne. That's going to be really hard to that standard. I tried to have you on yesterday. We had some sort of scheduling faux pot. I thought it was, anyway, it doesn't matter. We're glad to have you here. You are one of the great researchers. You're so good at getting a thread pulling on it,

and then it reveals this huge, scandalous truth. I saw that it went viral on the internet over the weekend. Breitbart had a big piece on it. And, you know, you highlighted the fact that we have potentially a million, million point five CCP citizens, so Chinese citizens that are going to be eligible to vote in 2028, 2030, and beyond. Tell us about this. Yeah, you know, we've been having this necessary conversation about immigration policy in America, but we really look at it primarily through the lens of the economy, crime on our streets, et cetera, and that's very, very important.

This book is about the weaponization of migration and how foreign governments and adversaries have weaponized our immigration system. And what you're referring to is in the case of China, how they are using so-called birthright citizenship, and they've created a model on an industrial scale to, I argue, subvert the country. So what do I mean? Well, birthright citizenship, of course, is the idea that if you are born in the United States, you get automatic citizenship. It doesn't matter if your parents walked across the border, if your parents were here on vacation, you get birth here, you're an American citizen. Our federal government has absolutely no idea how many people do this every year, because when you get a birth certificate in the United States, they don't ask for

the citizenship of the parents. They don't have any of that information. So we literally have no clue how much this has been happening in the country. What I point out is that the Chinese do. The Chinese have actually tracked and have pretty strong estimates on how many Chinese nationals have done this in the United States. And the number, at least to me, is absolutely shocking. The Chinese government says over the last 13 years, roughly 100,000 Chinese nationals have done this a year over the course of the last 13 years. So you're talking about a million, more than a million people. So what does that mean? That means that you have a million people in China that were born here. Their parents flew here for the purposes of giving birth, the

child is born here, they're given citizenship. They fly them back to China where they are raised in CCP schools. They get government propaganda. Their parents are primarily from the Chinese elite. But when they turn 18, they're going to be able to vote. They're going to be able to donate to political campaigns. They're going to be able to get government jobs. It's a massive, massive national security problem. And the Chinese government has encouraged this and pushed it. They've run articles in the People's Daily, which is, you know, their major newspaper telling members of the Chinese elite, you can do this, you have a right to do this.

And we are completely oblivious that this is going on. Peter, so they've run these ads, yeah, these advertisements basically in the People's Daily about it. Do we see any evidence of them building up any plan, for example, to encourage them using this in a strategic way? Like, for example, deploying these Chinese citizens in specific states to swing specific elections, or are they just, are they sort of passively encouraging this, or are they seeing the direct uses of individual, of these voter blobs in specific elections? No, that's a great question.

So they've run ads in People's Daily, but the People Daily has also run newspaper articles. I quote from them in the Invisible Coup, where the Chinese government says, you have a right to do this. We encourage you to do this. You also have this large industry that the Chinese government allows to operate, whereby there are agencies, primarily in California, that say to CCP officials, pay us $50,000, will teach you how to get into the United States, we will set you up at a nice place to stay, we'll set up a hospital, your child will be born, we make sure that they get the citizenship, and then we'll arrange for you to fly back. So it's a massive industry. They did this for a while in Hong Kong in the early 2000s, Hong Kong obviously smaller than the United States, the government

of Hong Kong at that time was more independent. They stopped it. They realized what was going on, and they stopped it and said no more birthright citizenship from mainland China. So the wave of this is going to start hitting in 2028, 2030. So that's when we're first going to see this instituted. And there's another side of this, guys. There's the Chinese nationals that fly here, give birth and get citizenship that way. There's the added problem, and this really sounds like out of science fiction, but it's true involving surrogacy. And these are Chinese nationals men who donate their sperm. They find a carrier, as they call it, a woman in the United States to conceive the child, carry the child. Then that child is taken back to China, where again,

they've got U.S. citizenship. In this case, they're born to an American mother, but they are raised, by the father and or parents back in China. Again, we have no idea how often this takes place. What we do know is based on our research that in Southern California alone, there are 107 Chinese-owned surrogacy companies that are doing this. So you can imagine the scale that we might be dealing with here.

I want to repeat one of these facts because I think people might underestimate how this is. There's Shu Bo is one of these Chinese billionaires. He is, I think it's a mobile gaming company that he created. He is reported to have more than 100 biological children born through these surrogates. According to the Wall Street Journal, he supposedly seeks to have at least 50 high-quality sons who can take over his businesses and I guess American businesses as well. There's a certain kind of insane maximalism you can see with some of these Chinese billionaires. dozens, hundreds of kids. Well, it's interesting too, Peter, because I was just following

somebody who researches fertility rates. And actually China's fertility rate is collapsing, which is a fascinating parallel story that's going on here. This particular researcher puts it at about 0.93 per couple, which is far, far below replacement level. Obviously, they're having as many children in China as they were in 1776. That was sort of the big headline from so you've got to go back hundreds of years to get this level of fertility which is collapsing it's collapsing around the world but especially in china so it's interesting that simultaneous with that you have this move of birth tourism to great u.s. citizen Chinese CCP trained u.s citizens so it's just yeah i don't know what to make of that exactly but

it is a fascinating detail you know that's a great great point and it relates to the decision the Chinese government made to have this one China policy, which they finally lifted just about 10 years ago. It was enacted in 1980, and it basically said they were fearful of overpopulations, so they told people in China, you can only have one child because we need to limit population growth in China. Well, if you tell a largely rural peasant community, they can only have one child. They want to have a boy. They want a strong boy who can do all the farmworks. So what has happened in China is you have this massive demographic disparity where you have literally several hundred million men between the age of, you know, say, 30 and 45

that have no prospects of finding a Chinese woman because they were all aborted with this one-child policy. So the surrogacy program and the program of, you know, finding an American carrier woman to carry your child get citizenship for them, bring them back to China. And then by the way, when your child, who's a U.S. citizen, turns 18, they can get you as the parent permanent resident status. So there's that added benefit. But the bottom line is this is a direct consequences of the policies that they carried out with the one China policy. And what's troubling is what do you do with a situation like a country like China that is having these demographic problems, which may have economic problems in the future that is creating this large reservoir of people living in their own country

who can vote in American elections that could be subject to coercion threats, et cetera. It's an enormous problem that we have not even paid attention to. That's one of the reasons I wrote the book. Well, you know, it kind of begs the question because we're going to be doing oral arguments on the birthright citizenship case in front of the Supreme Court. That's going to be happening in, it sounds like spring. so April time frame and then you probably a decision in summer but then it if you know that the system is being rigged it's being manipulated by Chinese birth tourist or maybe other countries

are involved I'm certain that's true you know you think of the anchor baby phenomenon is usually a Latin American thing but listen if you know that the system is being rigged then you should be able to block the naturalization of some of these people or reverse it denaturalize and and deport whether or not we have the political will or the political fortitude to do those things, it certainly seems like a logical next step. The invisible coup, and it's a, it's fantastic. I mean, there's so many insights here. I think, you know, we're just touching it one, one element of it, but the subtitle is how American elites and foreign powers use immigration as a weapon. But now we have this whole China angle, Peter Schweitzer, and we've got, we have a clip from

Ursula that would probably be worth playing here. I just love saying the name Ursula. It is okay, so this is 298 from Ursula von der Leyen at Davos, 298. 1971 was the year of the

so-called Nixon shock and the decision to dealing the US dollar from gold. In an instant, the foundations of the Bretton Wood system and the entire global economic order set up after the war, effectively collapsed.

But it also had two major effects. It inadvertently created the conditions for what would become a truly global order. The seismic change we are going through today is an opportunity, in fact, a necessity, to build a new form of Europe. It kind of got cut off there, but it kind of got cut off there. a new form of Europe. And then you have Macron, welcoming Chinese direct investment. We had Dr. Larry Arne on before you,

and he said he's long predicted that Europe would run to China, the second that we called the bill due on some of their free-loading. What is your warrant? You've studied China in the way that they do institutional capture, the way they use economic warfare to insinuate themselves, whether that be into mineral deposits and rare earth minerals, mines, ports. What is your warning or your note to Europe as they consider, as they're flirting with the CCP here? Well, I think in my mind the key word is flirting.

They may go down this path, but I think it's going to be an enormous mistake because they're going to find, if they don't like Donald Trump needling them about not carrying their weight, Wait until Xi Jinping or a Chinese leader is mad to them about some trade policy or some issue that they're carrying out or or there are too many vocal anti-China protests taking place in Berlin and China wants them to halt. But what you're seeing is this global battle taking place. A lot of the things that Donald Trump is doing on the global stage are actually connected to the China threat. He recognizes, for example, that the fentanyl crisis in the United States is primarily, driven by China, not by the Mexican drug cartels. As I laid out in a previous book, the Mexican

drug cartels are really the junior partners here, because at every stage in the fentanyl trail, from the precursor chemicals to when it's sold on our streets, to when the money is laundered by the drug cartels, that all runs through China. Trump recognizes that. He recognized the importance that Venezuela represented as a outpost for China to operate in Latin America and how Venezuela was pressuring other countries, for example, like Mexico, to fall further into the Chinese orbit. So I think this battle is taking place. The good news is China is a massive threat. They do believe they are already at war with us. They call it disintegration warfare, and they're prepared to do a whole host of things short of a shooting war to achieve their objectives.

But the future is with the United States. They have a massive demographic problem. They have made this sort of market Leninism system work where they have kind of free markets, but it dictated and controlled by the government. But that is not going to work in the era of technological innovation in areas like AI. I'm very confident if we adopt a program that allows us to work effectively in this area, we're going to kick their ass. And they know that. So they have got to come up with partnerships and alliances to try to compete with the United States. Europe, I think right now, is trying to signal that they want to stand up to Trump on Greenland and on some of these other issues. But I'm pretty confident that there will be an agreement struck.

And China will not make the gains that they're hoping to make. They're not a good partner, really, for anybody. Anybody that partners with China is end up going to end up with economic disparity, political manipulation and attempted control. it's not the kind of bargain that any country wants to make as far as I'm concerned. Yeah, you're making a deal with the devil. And you know, you play stupid games, you win stupid prizes. I think that's a good example of it. You know, it's an interesting piece of this, Peter.

I was reading that as Trump and the Trump administration has been shutting down some of these fentanyl flows into the interior of the United States, that precursor product and that product in general has to find another place to go. And there's now early indications that a lot of that fentanyl starting to flow into markets in Europe. And so, you know, Europe's going to be confronting the same fentanyl crisis that we've been confronting as we shut it down here. It's going to find a home. It's going to find a market. And just because, you know, Trump's on China's rear on that to get them to stop doesn't mean they're going to stop completely. So I don't know if you have any intel on that. Yeah, no, you're exactly right.

Look, the bottom line, what people have to understand is Xi Jinping, the president, the president, president of China, he cut his political teeth. His movement to the national political stage was in Fujian province, where he was the political leader. Fujian province is ground zero for Chinese organized crime. He and his family and other CCP leaders have deep ties to Chinese organized crime. These are the criminal networks that introduced fentanyl to the drug cartels and said, we can boost your profits 30 times, move away from cocaine and start delivering this stuff. and you are exactly right. They will shift to other venues

if they can't sell it in the United States because this is part of the way that the CCP operates, this alliance they have with Chinese organized. And they want to destroy the West in general. They want to destabilize us. They're going to poison us and get us addicted to fentanyl if they can.

The invisible coup, Peter Schweitzer. Great work, my friend. That was phenomenal. Thank you so much. Congratulations. Thanks for having me. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust,

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