The Charlie Kirk Show - Charlie Debates the Students at the University of Texas

Episode Date: May 2, 2026

Back in 2022, Charlie visited the University of Texas. Don't be fooled by it being a red state: The students here were nearly as liberal as the ones at Berkeley! In the Q&A, Charlie clashes with students on COVID lockdowns, vaccines, and of course, abortion. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com!    Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And then if somebody who is on the left comes, please treat them with respect. Don't boo them or scold them. It takes courage to go to an event of people that you disagree with. So show them respect and give them an opportunity to kind of state their case if someone from the opposition goes there. So feel free to get in line, guys, if you want.

And okay, question here. All right, howdy, Charlie. Thank you for coming. I'm sure that all of us are so exact that you're here, finally. So before I ask my question, I just got to say this. We need you to come to Texas A&M University. I know I know that we're here at UT,

but I'm not the only person that thinks that. Okay, so I don't remember if it was at SAS 2020 or at America Fest, but I remember you saying that U.T. Austin is the most leftist university you have ever visited. It's been a few years since you've been here. So, and I mean, you can elaborate on this. Does that still prove true? I know you said UC Berkeley, so.

Okay. So last time I was here, that was something. I got to tell you. We had like a cameraman get assaulted, and it was all sorts of crazy stuff. That was four years ago. So I don't think this campus has gotten more conservative. But I think other campuses have gotten more liberal.

So by process of elimination, you're no longer the most liberal school I visited. So I guess you'll take it, right? So no, but I will say this though. I'll repeat it. The administration coming in and allowing our dialogue to happen, hosting the event, campus police. That's very good.

I don't get that at every school. I gotta tell you, we gotta fight for every, for every single inch. And so that's good. I appreciate it. But I said this kind of out in the open when I was there. There is a lot of work to do here because some of the postmodern pablum that I was hearing has some very, very serious implications.

So the question, I guess, is also liberal versus leftist, right? Liberal I'm fine with, okay? Liberals like free speech, live and let live. Okay, fine, I'm not a liberal. Leftists really bother me. Leftists are the few people, not a lot, who came up today, and they said, you don't have a right to be here, we want to kick you off campus.

Okay, leftists bother me. They're totalitarians, and they should bother you too. Instead of having debate or dialogue, they resort to force, or they try to intimidate you with threats, or they try to play music while you talk. So there's a difference between liberals and leftists, and I hope UT at least remains liberal and never becomes leftist in that regard.

Thank you. Thank you, Charlie. Hi, Charlie. I also want to say thank you so much for coming out here and speaking to us today. I have a question that's a little bit more political about transgenderism. As a parent yourself, what would you say to maybe a teacher who's pushing this agenda on to students, maybe even your daughter one day? Yeah, that person is a groomer who is a pervert and should not be in teaching

to use their position in education to put forward radical, baseless, perverse gender, queer theory on a five, six or seven or eight-year-old, that is a, I mean, I used the right descriptions, right, when I said that. Not only does it have no place in education, the implications of that are quite obvious. And evidence after evidence, after evidence is surfacing of parents telling kids not to, I'm sorry, teachers telling parents, teachers telling kids not to tell their parents, right? Teachers coming in and saying, you know, do not repeat this. And if we're at a place in society where we can't remove pornographic images from kids'

textbooks, then we got a serious problem. And that's where we're at. I mean, if you're at seven, eight or nine years old and you have this graphic, graphic teaching, it really shows a broader sickness. Why, though? Why? Why? Why? Well, it's because the innocence of children is worthy of being protected and preserved. It's a moral good. The innocence of children is very important because they never get it back. And that period of childhood development where they're, quote, unquote, as innocent as they can be, is important for them to find out their values, who grow close to their parents find out what's right and wrong. You know what ends up happening when the innocence of children is robbed? They're less likely to take risks and fail and learn who they are. Every study

shows this. When a child's innocence is quote-unquote robbed, you could use whatever graphic example you could imagine, then all of a sudden are they going to be as likely to, you know, there's a great, there's an old Hebrew proverb, which is someone who's afraid of being embarrassed will never learn. It's a great Hebrew proverb, isn't it? Which is they're going to be less likely to ask, quote, unquote, the dumb question. We'd be more likely to be in their shell. I think there's something really fun and exciting of a five, six or seven year old that asks the wackiest questions you could imagine because they're trying to explore truth. We want to destroy that. You never get that back. Once it's gone, there's no reversing it. And I think that's a very special thing. I think every,

you know, the kind of the beauty of what the West has been able to do is saying that those of us that are older and those of us that have some form of strength, need to use that strength, I mean strength more collectively, not physical strength, use that to protect children that can't protect themselves. And then once they become to an age of informed consent, we basically have that age around 18, then obviously they can make more decisions themselves. But we're not even talking about 18. We're not even talking about 14. We're not talking about 12. We're talking about five, six, and seven-year-olds. We're talking about the most moldable, impressionable ages imaginable. Thank you for your question. I appreciate it.

Hi, Charlie. I just want to open up by saying I am a leftist, and I understand your perspective on them. Thanks for being here. But I did want to hear you out today and, well, you know, ask a question. So you said that you believe that quarantine is the cause of our generations, like, distraught, essentially. And I believe that it is actually war. Like, we were born fresh out of 9-11, some of us around the time of 9-11. And I don't know. My father served in Afghanistan. So I don't have a very... keen perspective of the United States, let's say. But I did want to hear you out on what you had to say. And I do believe we have some common ground in the fact that capitalism has failed my generation

more than any other in recent years. Yeah, I didn't quite say that, but I would say lack of free enterprise in some ways, but that's okay. You got most of it. So, yeah, so the lockdowns, not quarantine, right? That was the word I used. But, I mean, I'll just, I'll prove it to you. So the war thing aside, I mean, how many people in this room know someone that committed

suicide are seriously harmed themselves in the midst of the pandemic, just by a show of hands. That's a lot. I mean, the numbers show suicide visits were 50% higher among 12 to 17-year-olds during the same period in 2018. Psychiatric medication prescription went up, alcoholism went up, drug use went up, not to mention young people then reentered an economy where everything was twice as expensive because we created a bunch of money because of the lack of productivity in the lockdowns. And so I think it's just an arguable that the lockdowns made, played a huge a massive role in really depriving a generation of the ability to congregate and to communicate. Can I say my perspective?

Yeah, sure. This is kind of personal, but I was considering taking my own life before quarantine, and I think discovering myself during quarantine is what saved myself. I have quite the opposite experience. I know that is unique in that case, but I would say that it's the opposite case. But that's just my personal perspective. I think there are far more worse things that my generation has been exposed to than the lockdown and the inflation that you have cited during the lockdown,

that's arguably not the fault of the current standing president if you do believe that it is the fault of the current standing president. Well, right. I mean, first of all, Biden created $5 trillion new dollars, not created, but he approved $5 trillion new dollars that was hyperinflationary. But I'll even give you that the other COVID relief funds never should have been approved. But look, it's not just the suicide issue, but first of all, thank you. We're glad you're here.

We're glad you didn't make that decision. Life is beautiful and worthy of protection. I mean that. And, but it's from childhood speech impediment development. It's from asocial cues. It's from, if you talk to any psychologist or child psychologist, they do not have the bandwidth to be able to even facilitate the amount of kids. And I know that you have an obviously exception experience, but that is the exception, right?

I mean, it is self-evident that these lockdowns were unusually cruel. And you know who they were most cruel to, to poor families? It was the most cruel to people that didn't have extra bedrooms or high-speed internet connection to be able to keep up with this. The kind of zoomification of American education was the hardest on the people that the regime said they want to help the most. And, I mean, so you're an economic leftist, is that fair to say? I mean, would you at least agree that for one of your passionate causes,

which is billionaires getting wealthier, billionaire's got $600 billion wealthier? Absolutely. And like your whole big tech sucks. Is that what it says? I don't know what it says. Yeah, that's one of them. I'm absolutely on your side with that.

And I don't think enough conservatives understand that the left are equally against big business as they are. Well, some leftists, right? I mean, it depends who you talk to. I mean, the loud minority, I would say, are the ones that make you get the impression that we're not against big business. I promise the ones that actually read. Yeah, excuse me where I'm a little cynical about that, just to be honest, where I have to hear they're against big business while they mandated a Pfizer-AstraZenica, a DERNA vaccine of publicly traded transnational corporations. And see, that's more of like, in my eyes, a neoliberal concept.

Okay, but, I mean, it was, find me one left-wing senator that opposed that, and it just didn't exist. But I think you're coming at this from an honest perspective, and I just, I'll just close with this. This is what drives me nuts about kind of the fixation on race all the time and all these other issues that I would prefer not to talk about, is that I think there's actually agreement on kind of how things went wrong in last couple years. You blame capitalism. I'd blame more cronyism and big government intervention over a lot of different things. But I'm afraid that

a lot of what we spend our time talking about are some of the more superficial issues rooted in race Marxism. I absolutely agree. Absolutely agree. I think I believe classism is the biggest issue in America. Yeah. So let me ask you a question. As a leftist, you know, why is it that the American left, why is the American left allowing the conversation to be? controlled by white liberals that just want to stay rich. It's big business paying them off. It's not. That's an honest answer.

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I was just listening in. And that was a big topic there too. And so I guess I just had a question about that because at the booth, like, whenever you were, whenever someone was asking you, like, why are you valuing the fetus, it kept coming back to human life. And, like, I didn't really understand what you meant by that because when you say human life, like, human life by definition is an organism or a being that has human DNA. And so when the fetus only really has that connection with, you know, like fully grown adults or just like born children, What entitles the fetus to violate the property rights of the mother over her own body or to have the government do so on her behalf? Does that baby have unique DNA? So by your own definition, that should be worthy of protection, right? No, I don't believe that DNA has moral value. Oh, okay, got it.

So when does human life begin? Well, human life, I guess if you say like an organism that is human species, by definition begins at conception. Right, so then my position is that being that begins at conception is worthy of constitutional rights and protection. But why? What moral value does simply having, being an organism, even if it's just a single-celled organism that has human DNA? What moral value can be? Right, because human beings are different. Human beings have the ability to have rational speech to reason, not just consciousness, not just the ability to feel. Human beings are the only species that cannot just feel pain and pleasure, but can tell the just from the unjust. human beings are something that is so beautiful and so special and of course i have many different reasons to believe this but i'll make a natural law argument that that DNA will never exist again

it's distinct and it is living and if allowed uninterrupted growth that human being will hopefully mature into something just like you have and we're all abortion survivors aren't we i okay so you mentioned the i guess the rationality that makes human being special but that single celled organism doesn't have that rationality yet. And so what qualifies the entirety of the human species to... Got it. So my seven week old doesn't have a lot of rationality yet. It, I mean, my baby girl eats and does other things and sleeps. Does, I mean, obviously you would agree. It's that seven week old has value. Well, yeah, but I'm not coming from an argument of rationality. I'd come from more of like a self-ownership type perspective. And I simply don't believe that an organism that is

inherently dependent, like, on the, like, violating another person's property rights in order to survive. Right. So, but, I mean, my seven-week-old is very dependent on my wife and me. That doesn't mean I can just eliminate my seven-week-old. I'm sorry? Obviously, like, the seven-week-old depends on, like, for practicality and living. But if we're talking about a moral perspective, right, just the capacity to have rationality, why does that give it moral value?

Okay, but we're talking about two different things. I guess the question is, do you believe just because something is dependent on another, is that a reason that you could be able to eliminate that being? If that being has to violate someone else's moral rights in order to do so, yes. Really? Yeah. So what moral rights do you mean by that? The right to have autonomy of your own body.

If another actor is violating those rights, then, yeah, to remove it, I don't see a problem with that. Got it. So bodily autonomy would be more important than another. being being able to live a full life? Yeah, I would value a being that has the right to property over one that doesn't have a right to property yet. Got it. Just because the being is older and not in the womb and bigger.

And also because the being is a person and not just an organism. Okay. So, but if that being's one week old, it's more than a single cell organism. Yeah, but that person, that one week old still has, like, autonomy over themselves, at least at one week old. Like, has an inherent, like, natural autonomy over the soul. So this is where we have clarity but not agreement. Here's the problem, okay?

Morality that built the West and the morality that I'm going to defend tonight is that one week old can't defend themselves. So stronger, bigger, people not in the womb need to insert themselves to make sure that one week old is not terminated by people that just happen to be older and bigger than them. Is that regardless of size, as soon as that life begins, which you agreed, it starts at conception, that being deserves constitutional rights, uniquely and fearfully made. and it's the question of the morality of a society

of what we're willing to do when that being comes into existence because human life is special. Human life is different than dolphins, it's different than chimpanzees. We not just have the ability to reason and I'm going to make an argument you might not agree with. Yes, human beings have a soul

and a soul is worthy of protection. I would even go as far to say that human being is made in the image of the creator. I don't expect you to agree at that. Final point. Okay, so I guess I would just believe that the only types of, I mean, at least the only types of humans that can have moral rights are ones that act as moral agents and a single-celled organism that's living in a womb or a multicellular organism that's living in a womb.

Can you explain what you mean by moral agents? Moral agency? So if you don't have moral agency, then you could be up for elimination. If you don't have moral agency, if you don't have like the ability to like, if you don't have ownership over your own body yet. Yeah, so by the way, that is babies until they're about 18 months old do not have only. ownership of their own body. No, I would say that they do. Okay, how would my seven-week-old feed herself

if I just left her in the crib? That's not ownership over your own body, though. The ability to move your body by instinct, even, is ownership over your own body. Okay, so a 22-week-old baby in the womb moves all the time. You're contradicting yourself. You have to have a line. At 15 weeks, six weeks, there's a heartbeat.

I guess I would say that, okay, so that was a good point. Thank you. Thank you. I guess I probably just need to clarify that what I mean by like self-ownership or moral agency because that that organism or that human, whatever, in the womb, is still inherent, like, in order to, like, survive, it's inherently biologically dependent, even if it does nothing, right?

Is it biologically dependent on the mother? And so if we talk about, like, late-term, like, just, I mean, like, I guess I don't want to go into that territory just, like, right now. right um so if we say huh so like if we just talk about like early term like abortion i simply don't see i don't have like and i don't think that generally people see a moral value that is similar to even that of a newborn baby in something that is just conceived we have clarity thank you for your question man appreciate it thank you uh hi so we've now had the covid vaccine uh out for about two years now, right? End of 2020, it came out. And my question to you basically is, how long is it

going to take you to accept the fact that the COVID vaccine is fine for people to use? Did you hear about what the Florida Surgeon General said the other day? Are you aware that over two billion people have taken the vaccine? And there are incentives by other countries who have made their own vaccines to go against the United States. And even Donald Trump himself. So you don't know that, yes, he's Trump against me. That's really rich. So, The Florida Surgeon General said that the vaccine has caused an 84% increase in cardiovascular events for young men 18 to 40. Why would he say that? Well, if you look at the entire pool of people who have gotten the vaccine, it does that change?

So let's do that. Raise your hand if you know someone that was harmed by the vaccine or had an adverse event. Look around. Well, two billion people. Are they lying? No, look around. That's a lot of people. people that have seen adverse events.

So don't you think that if it really was... Is it all a conspiracy? No, no. Let's say it's not a conspiracy. Don't you think that the fact that, like, in your world that this false vaccine has been distributed so widespread throughout, not just the United States, but the world, show demonstrates that the United States is a failed country? No. I personally don't believe that the United States is a failed country.

I like living in the United States. But I have faith in our institutions enough to say that. a distributing a vaccine to 300-something billion people in the United States that is false or that is, like, not safe to use. Well, so what do you know about the VAERS, the government database of VAIRs, the vaccine adverse event reporting system? But I can go on the system and report whatever I want. Well, no, actually, it's a very long exhaustive process that takes 45 minutes to an hour. Hold on under penalty of perjury to go to jail if you followed a false report. And if you talk to him in the hospital, they say it's underreported.

According to the government's website, 31,330 people died because of the vaccine. According to the government website, 179,806 people were hospitalized. 136,000 people were in urgent care, 16,100 with Bell's palsy, 10,064 with anaphylaxis, and over 207,576 doctor office visits, 5,000 miscarriages, 16,000 heart attacks, and 52,000 events of myocarditis and pericarditis. That is not a safe or effective vaccine. Do you think that if we compare those numbers to the total amount of people who got the vaccine

that it makes sense? Say it again. I couldn't hear you. You can list like a large amount of people. Like 10,000 people sounds like a lot of people. Like 100,000 people sounds like a lot of people. But when you divide that number by the amount of people who have taken the vaccine, then you can look at the statistical rate of that.

You do realize that. Compared to other vaccines and see it's the exact same thing. If the flu shot has even six adverse events, they pull it from the entire field for adverse events. It has six. So let me ask you a final question. So the Florida Surgeon General said the following. This analysis found that there's an 84% increase in the relative incidence of cardiac-related deaths among males 18 to 39 years old within 28 days following the MRNA vaccination. That's the Florida Surgeon General that has come out.

Pfizer came and testified today, and they said we never tested the vaccine to be able to prevent the spread of the virus. Pfizer has admitted the booster shot was tested on eight mice. Does that bother you? Do you realize that there's variants, right? The original COVID variant is the one that they're saying... The mouse variant? No. We have the Delta variant and we have the Omicron variant now, right?

In the beginning, the first variant of coronavirus is the one that they claimed the original vaccines stopped the spread of, right? And then the Delta waned that off and then Omicron rained that off even more. And now they don't say that. They say that it prevents hospitalization and death, which is still true. Right. So here's the thing. I'm going to trust not just the data, not just the Florida Surgeon General, not just my own lying eyes. You looked around the room. People have experience after experience after experience. And by the way, if you think it works, God bless you, take it, have a great time. But I have a moral obligation as a communicator not to lie to you. And I'm looking at the data. And I'm never going to back away from this position. And honestly, history is going to vindicate every one of us that told you not to take this. Thank you very much. Hey, Charlie, thanks for coming out.

I got to admit, I was a little freaked out when you had all those numbers that you just pulled out. I was like, whoa, don't mess with Charlie. He has the facts ready to go. It's a little intimidating, right? And I have to say, too, like on the last comment, even if there was only a 1% adverse effect, why are we mandating it then? Why are people losing their livelihoods getting kicked out? Or getting kicked out of the military for that.

Exactly. But my question to you is, are you a nationalist? And if you are, do you think nationalism means more towards loving your people? or loving the ideas of your country. Under the proper description, yes, I am a nationalist. Under the proper descriptions, I think there's a lot of smearing, and you should always value people more. Great.

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My concern is that the government is mandating that people carry out their pregnancies, even when it goes against their own life and their own well-being. I can take an example of if somebody is threatening to harm you, you have a right to self-defense. Why not give the same autonomy to people who are pregnant? Okay. Thoughtful question. Thank you.

So first thing is if you believe abortion is wrong, which you admit it is, well then you should obviously have laws that. I'll clarify. I didn't admit that abortion was wrong. I see it as a form of self-defense. Okay, right. So that's a new one. Well, as the previous person says,

that person inside of you is completely dependent on you in a way different than a natural born child. So in most cases, rape and incest aside, how did that be and get there? I mean, in most cases, through sex, regardless of rape or incest. Yeah, so there was a choice made. I see your point. Even with a choice, let's say you invite someone into your home, and they still decide to assault you.

Does that mean you not have a right to self-defense against them? Well, no, I think that, for example, if you have a bunch of teenagers over to your home and they start wrecking everything, you shouldn't be shocked when all of a sudden you wake up the next morning and things are a little awry. But we're not just talking about wrecking at home. We're talking about wrecking your own body, your own personal autonomy. Well, hold on. Again, rape and incest the side of which I'm happy to answer and happy to talk about the moral aspect of that, but 98% of all abortions are done as a form of birth control, right?

It's a form of birth control. How did those people get pregnant? Usually through consensual sex. Right. So they are pro-choice. They made a choice to have consensual sex, and now they want to be able to use scientific medical technology to crush a being that is not them as a different person,

out of convenience? Let's say you have a child who is, who needs a kidney transplant, and you are the only point who can supply it. And you consensually allow them to use that kidney. What if the operation goes too long? They're still kind of using your blood for months on end. Should the government mandate, you know, maybe not kidney. I love these hypotheticals.

I got it not in my company. But you see where I was going. I got the most amazing hypothetical. We don't have to overthink this. It's like, why should children get the death penalty because their parents decided to have consensual sex? I don't understand that. Sir, even if you consent to, say, taking care of your child

through the, you know, transfusing blood or whatnot, should the government mandate that you have to continue that consensual blood transfusion it? Again, under the unrealistic hypothetical, and I reject the whole premise of this, the question is, let me answer it more broadly. Do I think the government should step in to protect and preserve human right

if by be it by mandating, especially when the question is termination or not. Of course the answer is yes. But it says a lot when I, there's a very serious concrete question and kind of we have to yield to these abstractions, which is fine. The philosophical sides and the kind of hypotheticals are fine, are legitimate, I suppose, in some sense, but it comes to be just more concrete, right? You've got a million abortions every single year. Okay.

998,000 of them are because of a form of birth control. You find something wrong with that. Not necessarily. Okay. I think there is something wrong with that. I think that just looking at the last resort to be able to terminate human life as a form of growth control is not just sick. It's immoral. And it says a lot about who we are as a people and kind of the folding of a cultural life in our nation.

And so I'll just ask one final question. When does human life begin? It begins at conception, but that doesn't override the right to bodily autonomy and self-protection. Okay, so that's interesting. So it does begin at conception. So does that mean someone who is larger than another being has the right to terminate them? Because why is it bodily autonomy just because the being is in them? The size doesn't matter.

It's the self-defense. If a toddler is running a knife at you, you can knock it down. You know, it's you have... I'm sorry, I'm kind of impromptu here as we keep going. That's okay, yeah. So I'll just close with this. Don't use that analogy again. Yeah, that was a bad one.

Thank you for being here tonight. Thanks. Thank you so much for coming out here and for like facing disagreements first, I guess. I really appreciate it. All right, I had another question coming up here, but I really, the bait is there and I have to take it. So I am also pro-choice.

And I was wondering how, like, you said to the previous dude back there that the government in cases where human life is at risk should step in through any means necessary, be it through mandates, be it through bans, things like that, right? Again, that was a hypothetical answer. Let me clarify it. I think the government has a moral obligation

to protect innocent life when confronted with the question of someone intervening to end that life. So if a police officer standing idly by and he sees someone on the side of the street and someone is going by to about to kill them, the police officer being an agent of the government has a moral right to intervene. I'm sorry, I do have to take like a little bit of a caveat here.

So the behavior of the police officers and the Uvaldi shooting was disgusting. Oh, I totally agree. Do you believe? Okay. Yeah, but guess what? I'm consistent. The cowardice that happen at Uvalde is the cowardice we allow to happen when there's a million abortions in our country every single year. All right.

Okay, okay. Which is standing idly by when children unspeakably get massacred. I don't know. I think there's a bit of a difference. And the analogy that I usually use, or the question that I usually ask pro-life people, is do you believe that the government should mandate organ donation, even in cases of things like donating your kidney?

Or right now, we have a policy where even after death, if you have religious things where you have to do it, where your whole body has to be intact in order for burial, right, and things like that to happen. We say that you shouldn't have to donate your organs, but the pro-life case seems to extend to the idea that even people who are living should have to give up their kidneys to people in hospitals maybe who need kidneys. Well, I don't quite see it that way.

What makes the uterus different? Well, first of all, again, in 99.67% of the cases, the woman made a choice that could potentially... And what about those 0.4%? What do you think should happen then? Oh, I think the baby should be delivered. Of course, because I'll give you an example. Let me just prove it to you.

If I had two ultrasounds, and one of them was a baby conceived in rape, and one was a baby conceived in consensual sex. Of course. Which one is it? They look the same. I do understand. But you can't tell because they're both human beings. And in Western morality of which I'm defending tonight,

doing something wrong after something evil is never the right thing. So do you think that government should mandate organ donations? No, and I think it's a false equivalency. For more reasons than one, for a lot of different reasons. By the question of, do I think the government should come in and protect innocent life from being slaughtered? Of course I do. Yes. And that's the answer.

So, I mean, when it comes to mandating organ donations, I don't even see how that's applicable to the question. Because in 99.6% of the cases, 6% of the cases, the mother made a choice to be able to get pregnant. Now, in the very small micron kind of case, then the case is that the human life and the human being needs to exist. You need to be able to exist. All right. I'm going to argue that different forms of birth control have, like, different forms of, like, effectiveness, and someone could be, like, potentially on birth control, using those control methods, and it fails. Is that just a risk that, like, someone should have been? Yeah, so I'm going to say something.

This is how far our morality has gone. we need to teach kids to save themselves for marriage. And a lot of these problems wouldn't be having. And if you do decide to engage in consensual sex before marriage, and you get pregnant, that's the cost of the gain. All right. Okay. Thank you for being here. Appreciate it.

Howdy. This may be the hardest question all night, but I really have to ask it. So right now on October 12th, 2022. It is DeSantis or Trump. Right here. We need an answer. I'll repeat it. I get it everywhere I go, so I need to play the tape.

Did you want to say anything else with that? No, that's it. The question is, Charlie, will you support DeSantis or Trump in 2020? So, okay, speaking personally, not on behalf of Turning Point USA. I'll say what I've always said, which is I'm a very loyal person. I told President Trump, if he runs again, I'm going to have his back 100%. And I can't stand in politics when people are wishy-washy and wavering. We had our turning point action straw poll, and Donald Trump on with 78.7% of the results,

but, and it's a very big one, I got to tell you, that Ron DeSantis might be a once-in-a-generation leader. He's very special. And I don't know when. I don't know how, but I would not be surprised if he's the United States one day. And I think he would make a great president, but I'll close with this. I think he would make a good president. I know Trump was a great president. And that's a why I'm behind you. Thank you. Great answer. Thank you. Um, so hi. Oh, you have the whole mic? Okay. He's actually my friend. Um, I actually first heard of you through a Christian apologist. I follow called Dr. Frank Turk. Yeah. He's special. He's great. He's awesome. He's a great friend. Um, my question concerns the hope and love we can have for America. I mean,

we live in a country that has allowed for 63 million debts through the abortion industry. and we have multiple industries and institutions that are built on lies and lust, and it seems as if the majority of American citizens either don't care or even approve of all of this. So where do you think we can go, the individual people, the church, and the government, to where can we go from having hope and love for our country at this point? It's a very dark picture you painted. Congratulations. Do you have anything else you want to add to that?

Well, first of all, you know, I assume you're a Christian. And so, I mean, it's up to us Christians. There's two things Christians can't be. Apathetic or cynical. I won't put up with it. You're secular? You could be apathetic and cynical. You're Christian, I'm not going to put up with it.

Because you know how the story ends and you have a great hope and you should always be working towards a great end. You should care about your nation, Jeremiah 297, demand the welfare of the nation that you are in because your welfare is tied to your nation's welfare. Daniel Fasten prayed for his nation, Nehemiah, Jeremiah, Esther Mordecai, all cared about the wealth. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Pray for your leaders by name. because they're counselors to the king. And so look, I think we have a lot of hope,

and the hope is not in the institution, it's not in the FBI, it's not in the DOJ, it's not in the CIA, it's not in Facebook, it's not in Google, it's not in Goldman Sachs. My hope is in the energy and the spirit and the optimism of you. I mean, what I get to see in the American people traveling the country,

hosting a national radio show, hosting a podcast, I'm nothing but hopeful. The spirit in the grassroots of the American people right now of all ages and backgrounds is so awe-inspiring. And it doesn't take a majority. It doesn't.

It takes 10 to 15% of a vibrant, hopeful, spirit-filled group of people that can turn things around. And, you know, we as Americans have done great things, and there's something special about America. I will defend it at all corners. And the thing that, one of the things that makes America different is when something bad happens, we step up, is that we have it, you know, in our history to not be apathetic. We have exceptions to that rule, obviously. And my hope is in what I'm seeing across the country. My hope is in pastors rising up. My hope is in people that are starting to speak boldly. My hope is in parents, showing up to school board meetings and challenging what is being taught in these local public schools.

My hope is parents that are homeschooling. My hope is in our Turning Point USA chapter leaders that are starting these chapters that are in the grassroots that are on high school and college campuses leaning in. That's what gives me hope. The institutions, here's the cool thing about institutions. They come and go and they build and they crumble. But the spirit and the will of the people, I think, is stronger than any other time I've been doing this in one decade. And I think that resolve is only going to strengthen. God bless you, man. Thank you. God bless you. Imagine being a young woman just finding out that you're pregnant, not knowing where to go

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do you think in my lifetime will see a world where cash is obsolete and how do I protect my privacy of personal information such as vaccine status while still being able to stay social and attain a corporate job and perhaps also enjoying other luxuries in which releasing this information is required? Yeah, well, that's a great question. So let me kind of tell you, it's hard to do all those things, right? It's going to be hard to keep a corporate job and also keep all of your kind of medical information private because for whatever reason we decided to throw out HIPAA and ask everyone for their personal medical information about the vaccine, which never should have been allowed in my personal opinion. But look, as far as the currency question, it's a very important question,

what PayPal announced and then what PayPal attracted should just scare everyone regardless of political affiliation. Where PayPal came out and they said that if you engage, in their definition of disinformation, they're going to take $2,500 out of your account on violation. Now, they backed away from that, but this is a company that did $25 billion in revenue. How on earth did they ever get this approved through, you know, how did this get on a press release? How did this become policy? You just saw today, you might like him, he might not like him, you might think he's great, you might think he went too far recently, but Kanye West just got an alert from J.P. Morgan Chase.

he's no longer allowed to bank at JPMorgan Chase. And that's wrong. I don't care what you think of Kanye West. If you'll shut somebody's banking system off because you don't like them or because they say something that you deem to not be appropriate. And so there's something very troubling about that. And so how do you protect against it? I don't think it's the end-all-be-all.

I don't think it's a solution to everything, but I am a big fan of cryptocurrency. I think that blockchain properly employed can be a great hedge against tyranny. I think that the federal government is trying to make us cashless soon, and we have to resist, and I'm telling you, resist very loudly against the federal government trying to put forward a federal digital currency. It's a very, very big concern. It hasn't gotten a lot of focus on it,

but a federal digital currency is a very big issue. We've already seen the intentional debasing of our currency. I don't agree with libertarians on a lot of things, but the one thing I'm 100% on is the destruction of our money. I have to tell you, the Federal Reserve intentionally coming into our money, system and creating money out of thin air and making you poor year after year after year through quantitative easing is something that we should all be very concerned about. I'm afraid they're trying to get us closer to a currency reset. And so part of it is just owning assets that can be

move quickly that are transparent. That's one of the things that excites me about Bitcoin. Again, I'm not telling you to buy Bitcoin. If I did, I could get in trouble like Kim Kardashian did. Do whatever you want to do. I don't care. I think it's good technology and I think I think crypto can solve some of these problems. But their agenda is trying to get us to go cashless. And also, I remember over winter break last year when I was in New York, I couldn't even, like, enter buildings or eat in a restaurant. I still love a lot of other aspects of New York, and I was kind of hoping to stay there. Do you think it would be worth it, or do you think, like, being unvaccinated and a conservative, like, it's just like... Yeah, that's a good question.

Only you can answer it. My question would be, where do you feel free and happy? And if you feel free in New York, God bless you, I got to tell you. That's not exactly what I feel when I go to New York. I feel a lot of things. That is definitely not it. But we can't, I have a mixed opinion on this. I have a couple things that I say that I totally contradict myself.

This is one of them. So I'll give one speech where I tell everyone to go move to red states. And then I'll give another speech where I say, we can't have all the people leave red state, of blue states, because we still need red thinking people, if you will, in those states. And so I contradict myself on that all the time, because I see it both ways. I grew up in Illinois,

and I'm glad I don't live there anymore. And part of me feels bad that I left, but also I think life is so important, you should try your best to live in a free society. And there's still some great states. Texas being one of them that I think gets it. So God bless you. Thank you.

Hi, Charlie. I'm here with a group of students from the UT Pro Life Club, so we're really thankful for your pro-life stance. My question is about, like, phone addiction and sort of this switch to transhumanism that's going on in our culture right now. It's really worrying me with my generation that we're so addicted,

and we don't even realize it. So I was wondering your perspective. That's a really great question. Thank you for your advocacy. The pro-life group here deserves a lot of credit because based on what I saw today, you guys are up against a lot. Seriously.

That's great. I'm not a fan of our digital pacifiers that have seemed to permeate our entire society. I really believe that we are participating in the largest and most cruel open-air drug experiment in human history, which is to give these devices to 12, 13, and 14-year-olds. There's some really great thinkers on this, not political.

You could just read Dr. Anna Lemke. You can go read Andrew Huberman, who I think is really smart. He spends a lot of time here in Austin. And they're very fair, and they're very well-sighted, and research, and they just talk about the neurological damage that staring at a phone will do, especially at a young age. And I look at it no differently than giving kids drugs. And so the one thing, and I wish that Marxist, I don't know if the leftist was here, and I wish I would have said it,

I would also say, and this is, if you want to talk about one of the great hockey stick correlations and not get too ahead of yourself, if you look at suicide and depression, or just kind of what would be a kind of like a basket of how you would define mental health, and like how, you'd say, okay, or bad, it went up like a hockey stick in 2013 as the iPhone was widely distributed. And again, I'm not a big causation correlation guy, but it's like, come on, what else could you possibly attribute? Like, what has changed the most in our day-to-day interaction at a restaurant in the last 10 years? Let's just just be honest, right? I see entire families out to dinner, and no one's talking to each other. I think it's deeply unhealthy. I think it's antisocial, and it's not even

governmental or political in nature. So, I mean, just some stats I have here, 26% of car access. are caused by smartphone usage. 31% of smartphone users in the US never turn off their phones. 45% of children's aged 10 to 12 have a smartphone. 45% of teens feel addicted to their smartphone devices. It's bad for both boys and girls. It's especially bad for girls. I think TikTok is one of the worst things ever to come across

the American technological landscape. I really do. And it's okay if you're addicted. I know some of you applauding are probably addicted. That's fine. I understand. understand. And so just a final piece on this. I turn my phone off Friday night to Saturday night. I encourage all of you guys to take a phone Sabbath once a week. It's very freeing. It's awesome. It's a challenge too, because you've got to kind of figure out how to get directions and where to go.

It's really fun. And you could do it. Just take one day a week and turn off your phone. Within three weeks, all of your friends will know you're unreachable by phone from Friday night to Saturday night. You'll be in a grocery store and you like won't know what to do when you're waiting in line? You're like, wow, this is how it used to be. It's very freeing. And just the final thing is this. I'm far from an expert, but if you read Dr. Anna Lemke's book, Dopamine Nation, you will have a picture into how horrific the damage we're doing to give these kids devices. There's other books as well. Gary Wilson wrote an unrelated book, but important, especially for young men, your brain on pornography or your brain on porn. May he rest in peace. He was a great thinker. But there's

like this whole new genre of scientific thinking that I think is legit science by the way of people that are a little ahead of the curve diagnosing what I think is going to be 10 years from now we're going to look back like what were we doing giving all these kids devices so you still have the power to turn off your phone I know it's hard but it's doing huge damage to young people in particular thank you appreciate it hi my name's jackson I'm actually the editor-in-chief of our conservative paper on campus at texas horn so you'd expect me to agree with most of what you said and I do, but there's one area of this agreement where I real filling to push back, and that, of course, is on the vaccine. So I'd like to talk about your

Florida study, which said an 84% in heart problems among young men who took the vaccine. So I was interested in this report and actually just Googled it. And if you look in the chart on page 6th of the report, see that the basis period is 17 deaths, like before due to these heart palpitations among men 18 to 34, whatever it was. So an 84% of the increase from 17 deaths is bad, but it is nowhere near the 20 million plus who have been killed due to COVID. So I just like to hear like how you weigh that from an 84% increase from 17 deaths against 20 million plus killed by COVID more, if not for the vaccine. Right. So and I'll repeat the VERS data, right, the vaccine adverse event reporting system from the government, right, where it says

there's 52,896 incidents of myocarditis and pericarditis. But let me ask you a, let me ask it differently, think we could come to a quick conclusion. Do you agree that myocarditis and pericarditis is increasing dramatically? I do, yes, from a very low base rate. Right. Why? Well, I mean, obviously, the vaccine is the prime suspect, but if you have a very rare disease and it increases by slight amount, then you have to make the trade-off and say that something which is killing millions of people is worse. No, no, no, I understand that. That's a separate argument, right? But do you agree that it's probably the vaccine that's causing these cardiac issues? That seems to be the most likely. Okay, so we agree. The vaccine is causing heart damage. We don't know how much, right?

It says in the Vares database, 52,896 incidents of myocarditis and perigarditis, you saw the hands around the room. And just one other anecdotal thing, I asked my audience, I said, how many people in our podcast audience have instances of people that got the vaccine and mysteriously died or had heart attacks? We have like 10,000, 15,000 emails, one after the other. And I would just encourage you, go look at Dr. Peter McCullough, one of the nation's leading cardiologist who has spoken out about this. right, Dr. Robert Malone, and also previously uninterested in this topic, who I just think is great, Dr. Brett Weinstein, who hosts the Dark Horse podcast, he's a liberal, he used to be a professor at Evergreen State University, and I think his scholarship is great. So I don't want to redo the conversation by previously, but thanks for being here tonight. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, so I'm one of the first agreeers, although all the disagrees are first.

But anyway, one thing I don't think is pushed strong enough by the person, pro-life is adoption. Yeah, I agree. Because, I mean, that kills it all entirely. There's so many families that want to adopt kids. And if you see a show like Long Loss Family, you see these people that reunite with their biological parents 20, 30 years after they're born, and they live wonderful lives, and they have two sets of parents, and it's a wonderful thing.

So if, you know, this whole discussion on, oh, the mom is going to be, you know, live a terrible life, she can't afford to have the child. But they're, I think, something like 30 families for every one child that's adopted. that want kids. I think it needs to be pushed stronger, you know? I totally agree. And, you know, I want to shout out my friend runs a great clinic in San Antonio. He does a phenomenal job for the pro-life movement.

And by the way, I know we don't like the term crisis pregnancy center, right? It's not our favorite term. But, you know, Dave McCaw does such a great job. And I got to tell you that the people that are on the front lines of this deserve a lot of credit. Elizabeth Warren says she wants pregnancy crisis centers to be shut down, which is unbelievable. but I'll say this, and I think you're right. And I didn't make this point clearly enough earlier at the table. If we are going to advocate an end to abortion using the state or government,

then we have to be there to make sure that every single child is taken care of through charity, through churches, and through resources necessary. It's morally imperative we do that. And adoption is that first step. God bless you. Sorry. Well, no, I've got more. Because if you read Peter Zion's book, I mean, China's population is going to collapse in the next 20 years.

just because of the one-child policy. I mean, we need to have kids. Your nation dies. The population collapse is coming here, big time. Well, according to Peter Zion, we're doing okay, and we've got immigration too. I agree with Elon Musk. I think we're... You think it's declining.

Okay, but we need to have kids regardless. I agree. God bless you, man. But, okay, but I got one more thing. We've got to get to another one. I'm sorry. Thank you. Thanks.

Hi. Sorry, we're short on time, sir. Sorry. Hello. I'm asking a question for friends. If I'm stupid, this is not on me. So let's agree that abortion should be banned, and this is the government's right to protect the rights of kids and whatnot.

And so we see a lot of statistics where kids going into foster care homes or things of that nature tend to be abused or sexual abuse to a certain extent. So what would you say is the government's solution and role in this whole situation? Yeah, I'll piggyback on the kind of question previously, which is we have to change the way we do adoption in our country. I would, again, a lot of people find this to be terrible, but I will lean on this. I think we have to lean on the church who has the infrastructure and essentially these parish church ministries, and they have the willingness to be able to do this and to support

adoption. There are two million people right now that want to adopt in America. Two million people. And I bet that would double or triple if the pastors of this nation really challenge their congregation to lean in and to adopt. If to be consistent as a pro-life person, you have to come up with solutions. And the solution should be we have to make it financially easier to have children. We should go maybe as far as Hungary goes, which is to pay people to have kids.

I'm not against it. I'm not. We should go as far to make sure that adoption is easy and seamless. And then we also have to individually and charitably step up to make sure that this idea of an unwanted pregnancy is a thing of the past. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it. I know you.

You do. What's up, man? What's going on? Great final question. Yes, yes. Quick question. You said we should stop talking about racism, but we have a problem in the country. You're not a racist. As often as I've been around you, you've never said anything that has been racist, but the left, they constantly say that you're racist. And if we don't talk about the problem that they're trying to create, it would never go away.

Yeah, so what I was saying, and I think you'd agree, I'm exhausted with talking about race all the time, right? And I'm happy to also push back on who's actually the ones that are being racist. And the people that are pushing black-only dormitories in America, that's racist. Exactly. Right? The people that are saying that we should have value on skin color and not contents of character, that's racist. And so I'm just exhausted about talking about it all the time, honestly, because I feel as if when you focus on those issues, like, man, we're just constantly talking about what divides us, right?

And I think you understand my heart in that way. Exactly. But it's only the left that's constantly pushing that. They're constantly pushing that. And I get it all the time. So thank you. God bless you, men. Thank you so much.

All right, everybody. This was a lot of fun. A couple things. Support your Turning Point USA chapter. They're doing an amazing job. I want to thank UT for hosting us nicely. Really appreciate that. Closing note, we live in a beautiful country.

Do something about it. Make sure you're registered to vote. I'm not going to tell you who to vote for tonight. Just make sure register to vote. Make sure you vote. A lot of people gave a lot for you to be able to vote in this country, be an informed citizen, stay engaged, stay involved. America is the greatest nation ever to exist in the history of the world. God bless you guys. Thank you so much. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.