The Charlie Kirk Show - Charlie’s 32nd Birthday

Episode Date: October 14, 2025

Charlie would be 32 today. With the broadcasting live from the Treasury Dept prior to the Medal of Freedom ceremony, several of Charlie’s closest Washington friends join, including Sen. Mike Lee, EPA Admin Lee Zeldin, and Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent. They discuss how to crack down on Antifa and how to unleash the Gen Z American dream, and read emails from the millions of people moved by Charlie’s life and legacy.   SUBSCRIBE to The Charlie Kirk Show Podcast: http://apple.co/2VCxGshwSupport the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I'm Andrew Colvett, executive producer of this fine show, joined, as always, by producer Blake Neff, and I'm honored to say we are also joined by Secretary Scott Bessent. Thank you so much for joining us, Mr. Secretary. It is an honor to be with you to have you join us in this. beautiful room that we are in the cash room. Yep. Well, gentlemen, welcome the U.S. Treasury and welcome to the cash room. Yeah, I mean, this is a beautiful, beautiful space that we're in. It's historic. Apparently, they used to hold the actual cash of the U.S. government.

We did. When we had it. Yeah, right. When we had more cash than debt. Right, but Blake was commenting that we are now 37 trillion in debt, so it's empty now. But it's a beautiful room to do a show in, nevertheless. Good, and excited to have you here. It's an honor, sir. I just want to start, you know, at the basics.

You have not had a chance, at least on this show, to reflect on the life and legacy of Charlie Kirk. This is, of course, would have been his 32nd birthday. We are in D.C. in order, because the president promised Erica that he was going to award Charlie the Presidential Medal of Freedom on his 32nd birthday. He literally moved world events in order to race back to D.C. and to make good on that promise to Erica. So the floor is yours, Mr. Secretary. Just expound on what Charlie meant to you, your interactions with him, and what the last month is meant to you in this country.

Andrew, I was actually walking out of the vice president's office when news of what happened to Charlie hit. and then the news that he had passed came after that. And what really hit me was if someone wanted to try to end the MAGAPE movement, the America First, and the Turning Point USA ethos, obviously 10 years out, Charlie was going to be carrying the torch. And if you wanted to try to end the movement, the way to do it was to assassinate Charlie. And clearly, this is what was on that person's mind.

We'll see if there was a larger network involved with this. I have no reason to believe there was. I have no reason to believe there wasn't. And to me, everyone knows Charlie was a family man. He was a Christian. He was a patriot. it, but the Charlie I knew, too, was also an educator. And what I admired on the show was the love that he had for all of his listeners, for everyone

involved in Turning Point, for his country. But what he did on the show, and that's how I got to know him. And one of the reasons I'm sitting here today is that Charlie was such an aggressive and forceful advocate for me to become Secretary of the Treasury because of the time we'd spent together. And his financial breadth and depth was incredible. He was an autodidact. He was self-taught in finance, and he passed that knowledge on because he saw, as I saw, that what had happened to this generation, this group of young people, and it's been a tough time. There was the financial crisis. In 2008, there was COVID.

But he was optimistic and always talked about the future. How do we get ahead? How do we stay ahead? And Charlie, like myself, believes in the system. And if you believe the system works, which I do, which he did, you want to bring more people into the system. And it's through education. That's why I say he was such a great educator.

I think that's really well said. If you boil down his mission, his mission was about his faith. His mission was about his country and his family, but his mission was in a general sense about bringing disaffected young people into the American dream. He wanted them to buy in to America, the idea of what this country is. And you guys talked about that. You actually had, I believe it was April, Alexandria, you could fact check me on that, but it was Financial Literacy Month. And you honored him and the show, and we brought in a bunch of TPSA chapters from around the country, and you talked about finance. I mean, that, but so you have shown your commitment to the same things that Charlie was committed to, bringing in the next generation and living the American dream as you have, and maybe just speak about that and the importance of bringing this next generation into the system, into believing they can make it in America, that they don't have to be disaffected young people anymore.

Well, in a way, too, Charlie, when I, when I was younger, there was someone called Norman Vince Appeal. And for those of you who don't know, President Trump went to Marble Collegiate Church in New York, and the minister was Norman Vincent Peel, and he wrote a famous book called The Power of Positive Thinking. And in a way, Charlie was the Norman Vincent Peel for your generation. And it's easy to be cynical. It's easy to get down. The world is a tough place. It's moving fast, but it always has.

And to look forward, what can you do to increase your resilient, resiliency? What can you do to increase your literacy? What can you do to make your odds better of success? And that was the movement he was creating, as you said, just to be part of the system, to get people on board with believing in the country, because we are celebrating the 250th year of the country, and we got to get ready for the next 250, and it's going to be the same and it's going to be different. But it's going to be driven by young people, and we have to energize our base to believe in the country. Because what you see now, and I'm just astounded, it's almost like they're two Americas. They're, you know, you look out and they're the people who, you know, are full of hate and venom, and they're at these protests, you know, like just the protest yesterday.

Yesterday, I believe, was the greatest day thus far this century with the hostages coming home, the beginning of the peace process, which no one said could be done, and President Trump did it. But there were people out there with that venom and, you know, vile behavior. And then every Saturday, you look, and there are these collegiate football games and military flyovers and people waving the flag. And, you know, it's almost like we're in a contest for America. And Charlie was determined that good was going to win, that we were going to see the light and it was going to be through faith and education and belief and family and country. and everything that got us here for the first 250 years is what's going to take us for the next 250 years.

I'm really glad you mentioned just the love Charlie had four ordinary Americans that he really wanted to uplift them. We're getting a lot of all the happy birthday wishes are just pouring in and we're getting in. Everyone's saying, Charlie, good afternoon. I'm starting my lunch and it's time for me to watch the show and already tears are in my eyes. we have happy birthday Charlie something about the show today has me crying again what a beautiful soul we lost but heaven gained that's from Heather and just so many people had this close even if they never met Charlie they felt a personal connection to him and he felt a personal connection to them as well he he loved this country he really wanted to better this country sustain this country even you know as as Erica said at at the memorial He cared so much about even trying to help people like the man who killed him, allegedly. Yeah, and, you know, this is a very true thing about Charlie, that he was reaching out to help the types of people that ended up ending his life. And I really don't have the heart today to dwell on that too much because it's too devastating to think about.

But, you know, you said something, and Charlie and you shared a vision for Main Street in the state. country. It's a vision the president here's. It's a vision that is not, you said, Wall Street's going to do just fine. They're going to do fine, but we got to get Main Street back on track, and they have not had their turn for a while, and I believe that really impacts the next generation specifically. This is Lane Schoenberger, Chief Investment Officer and founding partner of Y Refai. It has been an honor and a privilege to partner with Turning Point and for Charlie to endorse us. His endorsement means the world to us, we look forward to continuing our partnership with Turning Point for years to come.

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You'd like to say the muscular class, the guys who shower before and after work. Tell us about what this administration is doing to reach regular working Americans with the economic promise and prosperity that only America can offer. Andrew, as you know, it's Main Street that got President Trump here. Wall Street was never for him until he won. He always, whenever we have a lot of the business leaders in the office, he'll poke at him a little, well, you're here now, but you weren't with me in 20, 22, during those dark days. But the people were with President Trump. That's what the first time I went to see the president about two years ago and told him I wanted to be part of the campaign.

You were like a super stock. You go up on bad news because the people are with you. And going back to, when we were talking about Charlie, that the five hours of tribute to him a few weeks ago, I wasn't able to make it, but I watched it all on TV. And there was some incredible points made, eulogies, feelings, passion. But one thing that really stuck with me was what Stephen Miller said. They have made you immortal.

They have made you immortal. So with the award today, Charlie, as I said, President Trump is a movement. Charlie was a younger version of the movement and would have carried it on. But the movement now is going to be immortal. And I think that this generation should be inspired. Whenever anyone asked me what they should do, the president is setting the table for all kinds of opportunities. We are bringing back precision manufacturing.

So there are going to be factory jobs. We are reaching out to Main Street through small banks. And small banks are the lenders to small business. So young people want to start businesses. I may not look like it in these clothes, but I'm also a very large farmer. So small banks are the largest source of agricultural lending. So for your listeners in rural areas, we've seen people moving away from farms. I think farming is great business.

I got into it about 10 years ago. So there are opportunities. And it's going to require both financial literacy, and skills-based training. We have an incredible shortage in the trades in nursing that we probably over-emphasize college degrees, and I'm sure there's this whole generation who got out, who they've got a lot of student loan debt

and degrees that don't work for them. But I think through President Trump's initiatives, we are going to see both a Main Street comeback a working class comeback, and the opportunity to accumulate the real assets over the long term. Well, I certainly hope you're right. And people don't realize this about Charlie, but he was an autodidact. He was a self-taught man when it came to economics, and he was really into the Austrian school, Milton Friedman.

I mean, that was actually his start was learning the macroeconomic basics. And then advanced learnings as well. But he was rooted in fundamental economic ideas. I was in all of his knowledge. He was like, as Benjamin Franklin was to electricity, he told himself he was to economics. And he could talk it with the best of them. And you saw that first. So we're here remembering our friend and brother.

And you are as well in the audience. Blake, you've got an email for us. Yeah, we've been getting so many, just a wall of them during that break. But we want to read this one. earlier today from Jennifer. She wrote, happy birthday, Charlie, here is my gift. Dear Charlie, my life has changed since yours was taken from you. And now every day is bittersweet. I have gone back to church after decades away and brought my children with me. I'm praying for my husband. I am sober over three weeks. Thank God. I now wear a cross around my neck proudly. I found it

amongst my old gold jewelry that I was going to have melted down into a cross as I'd never had one. and I truly have no idea where it came from. It's small rose gold with a Celtic feel like me, and I think it was a divine gift regardless of how that may sound to some. I know countless others have changed their lives in similar ways, and I can't help but think that these are the best birthday gifts you could have ever hoped for. I pray for your family feels all your love today and every day going forward. God bless, Jen, from Canada, your new sister in Christ.

Amen. And we're getting so many, so many emails like this. Yeah, freedom at charliecirk.com. Keep sending them. If we don't read them on air, we're going to read them personally. And they mean a lot to us, the team as well. So please rest assured about that. I want to play a clip here that's really important because you're working on a very important piece of this. I wish we had more time for this.

So let's just get right into it, 136. And let me tell you something. I'm not sure with anybody. But the last message, that Charlie, Kelly Kirk gave to me before he joined his creator in heaven was he said that we have to dismantle and take on the radical left organizations in this country that are fomenting violence. That was the last message that he sent me before that assassin stole him from all of us. So that is a powerful clip.

Stephen Miller said something similar when JD hosted the show on the Monday after he was assassinated. And Treasury, I come to find out coming to D.C., that Treasury has taken an active role in an aspect of this dismantling of the financial networks that are supporting some of these radical left violent groups. Share with what you can. I know it's an ongoing process. So it's an ongoing process, and I will tell you that after 9-11, Treasury became the driving force behind tracking down the networks of... of terrorist organizations, how they were financed, how could this have happened on US soil

with these international terrorist organizations, where did the money come from, who were the ultimate funders? And that was on the international side. And Andrew, I will tell you that Charlie's death is like a domestic 9-11, that we are going to find, it has alerted us to what Charlie knew

that these organizations are working within our borders. And look, we believe people have a right to free speech. We have a right to organize. They have a right to protest, but they have to do it peacefully. They cannot embrace violence. And we have seen it. We've seen it since the terrible day two years ago, the anti-Semitism and the bias that came out after October 7th, 2023. And many of these organizations have been financed by non-profits and it's going to stop and we are going to as they always say follow the money when you see these groups where all the signs match they have hundreds of the same umbrellas that they're using you know after after they close the mayhem they have the same lasers

that they're using to blind our police force you know how how are they constructed because this takes a lot of It takes a lot of organization, and we are going to do that. We have started to compile lists, put together networks, and there's a long record here. And we don't know how much of the supports coming in from overseas. We don't know how much being supported by U.S. nonprofits, C3s that give money to C4th. But this is mission critical for us now, just as after 9-11. and Osama bin Laden, the ultimate culprit was captured.

We are operationalizing this here at Treasury, and we are going to track down who is responsible for this. So Charlie's death has set this off, and we are determined not only to honor him, but to keep our country safe and to ensure freedom of speech on both sides. that we can't as conservatives we can't be afraid to go out and speak you know i know people are canceling speeches they're having to bring down the size of the rallies president trump was millimeters away from death and he was not deterred and we're not going to be deterred god bless you for that i wish i had more time but that was a powerful message thank you

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That's policy genius.com, policy genius.com. So Joe LeVorgna is the counselor to the secretary of Treasury, Scott Besson. So you have been on this show before. You were on with Charlie. And we were talking about it with the secretary that one of Charlie's passions was economics. People don't, I don't think, always associate Charlie with economics. but the way he got into politics was studying the Austrian school, studying Milton Friedman. He got really passionate about these macroeconomic trends.

He got really passionate about the debt and the currency valuations and things like this. And so you are one of the guys that goes out into the media and talks about the good work that Treasury is doing. And we were talking in the break about, you know, how this economy is doing. Is it doing well? Is it doing, is it a mixed bag? I think it's doing mostly well. I mean, the animal spirits are alive and well in this country. So maybe just start there and tell us, give us that 30,000-foot view of how you see things going,

how Treasury is viewing things in this current moment. Sure. Thank you very much for having me. The data are as good as they could be. I mean, they're actually very good. Thanks to President Trump. So in the second quarter, his first full quarter in office, we grew 3.8%. If you take the federal side out, we actually grew 4.5%.

So the real GDP, excluding the federal government, grew up four and a half percent. And in the third quarter, the latest estimate from the Atlanta Fed, which a lot of people look at, is at 3-8, with also a very similar profile of the growth being led by the private sector, consumers and also capital spending, CAPEX. That's investment in things like AI and other technologies. So that's really what's driving the economy. The labor market is not great. We learned, after the fact that the Biden job machine really didn't work very well, that we had about two million downward revisions over two years. That's a huge number. So the economy is doing well, thanks to President Trump. We need to get the labor market turning higher. Unfortunately,

the shutdown is hurting a lot, actually, and that's a factor that we're concerned about. But the long-term outlook under President Trump is excellent. So Charlie was very, one of the things he would talk about repeatedly over the last few months, he talked about the future of young people in America because there's a lot of extremism among young people. We've seen polls even after Charlie's death that show a shockingly high share of especially those on the left among those under 40 support overt political violence. And he would talk about this choice between MAGA and Mangioneism, Luigi Mangione, the guy who shot the high health care CEO. And he would basically say, you need to give young people a stake in the economy, a sense that they have ownership of things or they'll become really politically radical.

One of his big passions was you need to have young people be owning homes. We've seen, I think in the 1980s, the average first-time home buyer was about 29 years old. That's grown to 38. It's gone up almost four or five years just since COVID, I believe. And he was very concerned with That what can we do to make it so young people are buying into the system rather than feeling hopeless and atomized? And I was wondering if you have any thoughts on what the Trump administration can do along that dimension to especially uplift the youngest Americans who are otherwise at risk of getting really radicalized. Charlie is exactly right. And the Treasury Secretary recently highlighted the fact that we have in housing affordability crisis to Charlie's points that he was making so eloquently. One of the things you can do certainly is get inflation down.

Under the prior administration, inflation ran at a near 5% annual rate. That's the highest since the inflationary 70s. When you have high inflation, you have high interest rates. Under President Trump, he's been able to get inflation rate down substantially. That's allowed blue-collar wages to expand it to grow quite significantly. And also a lot interest rates to decline. So you look right now at U.S. interest rates, the 10-year yield, the benchmark borrowing rate for mortgages and for corporate borrowers is around 4%. So that's very positive, and that will eventually pull mortgage rates down because inflation is declining and all the investment that I talked about that President Trump is getting going in the economy that will increase the economy's ability to produce goods and services, which will further lower inflation.

So mortgage rates can't come down further. The administration is also working on things to try to expedite the permitting process, trying to lower some of the costs. things like that will help no question because as you said young people need to have a skin in the game need to have a stake in the outcome and feel like they're not disillusioned so charlie was exactly right about that it will take time to undo the policies we had under the prior administration but we are optimistic that as the cost of living goes down and as worker wages rise you'll get more young people uh being able to go into the home you know the home market and be able to buy get affordability uh higher and things will turn it'll take some time but things will turn yeah another important part will be uh another thing charlie talked about a lot the college scam sort of deflating the scam elements of higher education did you see this yesterday with the um i believe it was santa clara school of law no so this is something that's unfolding right now one of the things the trump administration recently did is it capped the annual amount of uh student loans you could take in the plus loans to 50 000

year this is the super student loan a lot of people getting graduate degrees get it. And they capped it at $50,000 year. So Santa Clara School of Law, last year their tuition was $62,000. This year, they announced a scholarship that every single person who goes to the school will get such that their tuition is now $50,000. That's a practical example. Well, that's it with the government. I mean, Alice Rivlin, probably not well-known among many folk. Old person like me knows who she is. She was head of the Congressional Budget Office under, I believe, under Clinton, and was a vice chair of the Fed. She's certainly not a rightist in any way, a shape, form,

but you talked about how government with education causes all sorts of big problems and how they basically create artificial demand, to your point, about what the Trump administration is doing, trying to get government out of the market. So that's very important and lowering costs. So things like this are very important. Let the private sector do its job and let the government get out of the way so that costs can fall to make education cheaper for everyone. This also comes back to your point on housing, trying to get the government out of the way, senseless regulation that doesn't allow building and things to go forward in a more productive way so that cost can be, you know, can be lower. How concerned are

we about artificial intelligence? You talked about this dichotomy between you had four 4.5% real growth in the private sector, but you are, there are struggles in the labor market. Obviously, that's what I think of first when I think about young people, getting skin in the game, getting on that first run of the ladder to start building wealth and building a career. Is AI something that you are looking at actively? How concerned are you about it eroding, especially those entry-level jobs? You think financial markets, right, financial analysts on Wall Street, that's the first jobs that are getting cut. So how worried are we about that first rung on the ladder of career building as the first jobs that are going to get cut?

Because we're seeing some negative trends with Gen Z employment. Look, all new technologies are very disruptive, but the history, the U.S. economic history is such that they ultimately get the economy growing and expanding and thriving in a much better place. So I'm not worried about AI necessarily replacing jobs, although there might be some areas where there are some effect. we have we need a lot of jobs in a lot of high-tech areas certainly in a lot of high-skilled areas tradesmen plumbers electricians carpenters all those things to build you know we need a lot of that labor we're still short of the fact that the administration has secured the border and gotten rid of significant amounts of illegal workers which are artificially depressing yes worker wages is also very important but like when you want to build and the president wants to

re-industrialize the manufacturing base create high high value added, high paying jobs. Those aren't AI jobs. Those are jobs that you're building, you're operating a factory, you're getting capital coming in. That's where the U.S. economy will thrive, and President Trump, as a builder, knows how to create things. The Secretary has been excellent in helping articulate and seeing that vision through. And you're going to, we've got all these new industries. Look at the equity market. Look at the boom we're seeing across these hyperscalers. I mean, there's so many wonderful opportunities. I have to think that the, outlook and the ability to do business and to transact in a meaningful way, and not be impeded

by government regulation and high taxes. Those are all things that are going to create jobs for all sorts of people, all sorts of Americans. So it makes me really optimistic. It's not to say there weren't certain areas. There will be some dislocations, but President Trump knows how to create jobs and we'll get it done. You know, we were, had the opportunity to speak with the vice president yesterday just briefly. And, you know, it struck me that he is extraordinarily bullish glass half full. You could say on AI and its ultimate impact that we've seen this with the railroad. We've seen this with the automobile. We've seen this with the dot com boom. So these new technologies come in. They are disruptive, but ultimately they lead to, you know, greater productivity,

which leads to additional job opportunities. And hopefully we are able to backfill some of that with trade schools that are in higher trades. You think of trade schools. You think of, you know, Parpenter, HVAC, that kind of thing. But there's trade schools for these high-tech. Maybe it's going to be trade schools for programming or robotics or automation. That's right. My father, he's retired mostly, but he ran the largest trade school, vocational trades school in Connecticut. So, yeah, there's tremendous amounts of opportunities that are there.

And look, in the bill that was just passed one big, beautiful bill, there's full expensing for CAPEX. There's going to be full expensing for factories. So all the things you talk about in terms of building that the president wanted. to create, those tax incentives are there, which makes the forward really, really bullish to the vice president's comments. I'm glad you brought that up because Charlie would talk about that a lot. He really wanted that. He became a big, big, big believer in the one big beautiful bill because he saw that the cap X, that was going to drive a ton of investment in the short term because, you know,

private business owners. He was thinking about it from a personal standpoint going like, well, if we can write all this off right now, let's do it. That's still to come. Yeah, and we haven't seen the impact of that right not even nope not yet we will see it next year it will really be a wonderful boom it's going to be a big boom and that's going to be like you know restaurants and small businesses factories manufacturing warehouses right there we have the small business sentiment data today and the numbers still look really solid thanks to president trump that's great okay well it's good news good news we're honored to be partnering with alan jackson ministries and today i want to point you to their podcast it's called culture and christianity the alan jackson

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what would have been his 32nd birthday. We attended a vigil for Charlie last night in central New York. Three hundred and fifty people came to praise Jesus, give testimonies, and speak about how Charlie impacted their lives. He's a beloved young man who has done immeasurable work for this country. Thank you. Joby or Joanna. Harry's both there. Harry's is nice. Harry's. Let's see.

Do you want to read that one? I'm so very sad, but today Charlie Kirk receives the highest honor any American can receive the Presidential Medal of Freedom. He truly earned it and deserves it. I still wish he was here with us all. Charlie was a warrior for the kingdom of God. He is a martyr. He is in heaven.

I pray for him and his entire family every night. God bless you all at Turning Point USA sincerely Harry. Just one after the other. And some of these are longer. Tim says, I'm still angry. I knew Charlie was special. I believe that the celebrities who are moving out of America may have been funding Antifa and other socialists. Justice for Charlie.

We're going to find out. That's what's so great about what Treasury is doing as well. So I'm going to play a clip for you here, Joe. And I have to confess, our audience is probably like I was barely aware of the shutdown. I mean, obviously I follow the news. I knew it was happening, but, you know, outside of the D.C. area, it wasn't, but when I came here, all of a sudden, it was like, oh, I can feel the shutdown, right? You really feel it when you're in D.C. Let's go ahead and play a cut that's going viral right now of Speaker Mike Johnson listing some of the crazy things that they want to pass in order to reopen the government, the Democrats. 149. In their legislation, their counterproposal on the CR to keep the lights open. This is what they want to do. They want to spend $24.6 million of your hard-earned dollars as a taxpayer for climate resilience in Honduras. They want to spend $13.4 million for civic engagement in Zimbabwe.

They want to send $3.9 million for LGBTQI-plus democracy grants and the Western Balkans. They want to spend $2.9 million of your dollars for desert locust risk reduction in the Horn of Africa. And $2 million for, quote, organizing for feminist democratic principles in Africa. So, Joe, you're the counselor to the Treasury Secretary, Scott Besant. You know this stuff better than anybody. You're also like a famed economist. I want people to understand that you're not just the spokesman. You are yourself, a really renowned economist.

Our people don't care about the shutdown. They care about Charlie's birthday, but the question is, should they? Here's why it matters. CEA, Council Economic Advisors, estimated that we could be losing $15 billion per week lost output because of this shutdown. That's a lot of money. It adds up, obviously, cumulatively over time.

It's significant. And because we're not getting any economic data, the Federal Reserve, which the President has accurately said rates are too high, the Fed has begun cutting interest rates. If we had data that I think might be weaker, because as I said earlier, the Biden jobs market was not very good, and we got handed in the market that was losing a lot of downward momentum, maybe the Fed should cut rates more. So not having the data because of the

shutdown is the problem because you may be not making the best policy decisions, because we don't have any information. And, of course, there is an economic hit, and there's also a human toll. This doesn't have to happen. As I'm sure you know, there were 13 clean budget, clean, continuing resolutions that Democrats passed over the past four years. And if you go back and look historically, I count it no less than 15 the Republicans passed when they were the minority party in power without there being a shutdown. So that they should – it's a problem. In this same speech, by the way, Speaker Mike Johnson said that they went and counted all of the

CRs that Chuck Schumer supported, and it was 29 out of 30 over his tenure. And the one he hasn't is this one. So, you know, Blake, I don't know if you have any final thoughts. We're coming up against a break on the hour, but maybe we just leave it with – Go ahead. Honestly, I would like to leave it with, I don't know if we have it ready to throw up, but someone ordered. Yeah, this is great.

Charlie's, you know, Starbucks order, the Mint Majesty Tea with two honey packets, and the barista took that order and then wrote on the cup, Don't lose your voice. Yeah, where it is. And it's also baristas in Sioux Falls, South Dakota, where I'm from. So I'm going to shout out my hometown for having good baristas. That's amazing. Well, Joe, thank you so much.

Gil Lavorgna, a counselor to the Treasury Secretary, please carry on the mission. Keep thinking about Gen Z as you're doing this. And Charlie, of course, thank you so much, gentlemen. Thank you. Thank you so much for joining us. Balance of Nature would like to take a moment to honor the life and legacy of our friend Charlie Kirk. Charlie dedicated his life to inspiring each of us to live with a greater purpose. He wholeheartedly believed in meaningful conversations and the power of building stronger communities together.

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That feeling couldn't possibly be more mutual, the respect, admiration that I and so many others have had for him. And I shared a thought with both of you when we were together last night about what's happened over the course of last month coming across these parents who had no idea how much their sons and daughters were greatly looking up to Charlie and paying attention tuning into this podcast every day. listening to all those videos over TikTok and learning so much from him and getting inspired by Charlie and what's happened over the last month not only have these parents had this epiphany as what was going on with their sons and daughters but now those parents have been watching all these videos and like wow and I got to say as somebody who was in touch with Charlie a ton I appreciated him but like when you when you saw the response following his his death, not just from across this country, but around the world.

I didn't spend any time thinking about this, you know, a possibility that we might lose Charlie so soon and that you'd have that kind of a turnout on his passing. And I remember driving into the stadium and seeing so many people who were walking the other way because the stadium was full, the overflow was full. and I mean it's it was a hot day inside of Phoenix these are older older people but you could have filled up another stadium oh we could have filled up I think three, maybe four, actually, with all the people that were there. It was funny because our tech partners, apparently this is very standard at a stadium like this where they monitor how many devices are in and around the stadium.

It's not some, like, conspiracy or whatever, but they, you know, the State Farm Arena, or Stadium rather, you know, hosts Super Bowls and things like. They're very, they have a great team, actually, and they confirmed with us. It was 277,000 devices. So, I mean, you figure you got 70,000 people in that stadium. I mean, you could have filled that up three, maybe more times. And so it was an amazing, amazing outpouring of support. And as you said, you know, you, I mean, we were up close to it.

And I kept telling Charlie, every six months, I'd be like, I have to recalibrate just how famous you've become. I couldn't, because I was so close to it. And then I would see him and I would take him out. And these moments would happen. I'd be like, you're getting mob like you're a beetle. you know yeah i remember shortly after i came into congress and uh charlie was doing an event in dc and we're talking about almost a decade ago and i walked into this venue in dc and there were thousands of young men and women with with so much energy it just and it was just so genuine

it was so it was so pure for people who are talking about charlie as if this was you know some over the course of, you know, the last few months or the last couple of years, I mean, you could go back a decade earlier. This guy who 32nd birthday today, I'm talking about like early to mid-20s, he was pulling thousands of people out in an event. Talk about this, because a lot of people that have known him a little bit longer, like yourself, saw the evolution of Charlie. You know, he was a little bit more rough around the edges at the beginning.

Still the same passion and, like, warm. warmth and vibrancy, that was always a constant. But, you know, what, I mean, he got more mature. He got softer with younger people. He became a big brother figure. What did you see from your vantage point? Well, there was, he was a very good learner. You know, a lot of people might not realize just how much he was always trying to grow himself and become smarter to become wiser to study. he went when he was having this event and at a school where he was challenging people to come up to talk about topics where they disagree he he wasn't just trying to bring out the best of that person who was stepping up to the mic he was hoping that that person stepping up to the mic was to bring out the best of of him of charlie and he would learn from that and he would get better and stronger for it so if you had to point to one thing that would have happened over the course of that decade that we were just talking about is that he was absorbing so much knowledge.

He was just becoming so much wiser. And so many of us in life, we just get through the day and we have a job, we have a family, we have a routine. And we don't really take a moment to just take it in, to reflect, to be able to pray, to grow. And Charlie was doing that in his entire day, all day, every day. He was absorbing everything. And that's such a great trait. And what will happen is by the time you're in your early 30s, you're going to be wiser than most people who are senior citizens who have just kind of dragged themselves through life, never becoming smarter and absorbing everything you come in contact with. I so agree with that. And we are on October 14th. Obviously, Charlie is going to get the Medal of Freedom from President Trump today.

It has been moved, Blake. Is it where it's been moved to the... It's been moved outdoors to the Rose Guard, which I guess the weather is... The crowd, I believe. Yeah, President Trump said there's so many people that want to be a part of it that we are going to now do it outside, which is great. And since it's his 32nd birthday, a lot of people are sending in birthday wishes. And so many of them, they're writing them to Charlie. And, of course, Charlie can still read them.

I liked this one, Barbara, dear Charlie, thank you for never giving up on our country and on the gospel of Jesus Christ. I remember watching you on Fox and Friends for your very first interview there. I have been following you since. I have always been a Christian, but I didn't realize that I was faithful but not walking in my faith until you were taken from us. Because of you, I went back to church and took our children. Because of you, I am a better wife, a better mother, a better person. Your words made me realize that the only way for me was through Jesus. Thank you for helping me to realize that my job was never to get my children into Harvard.

It was to get them into heaven. Whoa. That was a great one, Barb. Oh, that is a good line. And by the way, it's not too often that somebody's first cable news interview is memorable, is inspiring. Like, the first time you do an interview, you might be somewhat intimidated by the setting. You're trying not to mess up. I remember the first time I was on Fox and Friends, I probably am the only one who remember,

the first time that I was on Fox and Friends, and meanwhile, you have so many people and your wife. No, actually, I'm probably the only one who remembers that hit. But, you know, that there are so many people out there who remember the first time that Charlie was on Fox and Friends. Like, how, how, that never happens. Yeah. Well, and he got to host. Ultimately, he got to host Fox and Friends weekend, uh, with Rachel Campos Duffy, Sean Duffy's wife and Fox News host and Charlie Hurt. And that is actually one of the first. the clips that has gone viral where his daughter Gigi was running up to go see him and there's just so many we've been getting we we're reading a small handful of them but I'd say we probably

had maybe 200s or so since this started just since the start of the show there's a bunch of stuff um just most of them it's just you know the standard you know happy birthday Charlie you will always live on in our hearts keep up the good work TPSA my thoughts to Erica and her children that's from James

we have just just so many I have to click open to them and all of that. But I took the day off today, and I'm sporting my best Charlie ever t-shirt with glowing pride. I just left a Catholic Mass where I lit a prayer candle for Charlie and his family. That's from Lisa. Thank you, Lisa. I just love the outpouring of support for Charlie.

I mean, he knew that you loved him. I can tell you that. He knew. He did know, and he loved this audience, and he had a direct connection with you guys. and part of the way that that happened was through these emails. But even I think he would be blown away at all of this. And so, God bless you guys, and thanks for honoring Charlie on his 32nd birthday. You are the 17th administrator of the EPA.

That's right. Is that right? I saw that in your ex, I guess, bio. Tell us about the EPA, because Charlie was not a huge fan of the EPA. Was it the elimination of productivity agency or whatever? was like the something like job elimination you know that sort of vibe with charlie but you have taken it and charlie really loved what you were doing with the EPA because yours is you have this growth mindset yeah we want clean water want clean air we want the cleanest water in the cleanest air but there's a way

that you can use this agency and leverage the tools at your disposal to really be pro growth and so tell us about how you're approaching that so one of the biggest differences between conservatives and liberals is that we believe it's not a binary choice between protecting the environment and growing the economy. We choose both at the Trump EPA. And that's a difference. And we come in, we inherited so many bad decisions that were made during the Biden administration. We have basically half of the president's deregulation agenda. Wow. And we're talking about trillions of dollars of deregulation. In one year, we will do more deregulation at the Trump EPA than entire federal. governments have done across all federal agencies across entire presidencies. Just one of the

proposed deregulations alone, the proposed rescission of the 2009 Obama endangerment finding, if finalized, is the largest act of deregulation in the history of the United States. But while we're doing that, I'll tell you the best announcements that we put out on the 100th day of President Trump's term in office, our top 100 environmental accomplishments from those first 100 days on the 200th day of President Trump's term in office our next top 100 environmental accomplishments from those next 100 days and we're getting people back in the office or right size in the agency we're going through reorganization when I came in there was a low over 16,000 employees were going down to just over 12,000 and that reduction we will actually

get more done of course you will with with just over 12,000 than the Biden EPA did with just over 16,000. It's about priorities. Well, it's also, you get rid of the winers. You get rid of the people that will hold you back and that are actually on agenda and want to contribute to what you're doing. And you call it the Great American Comeback Initiative. So what is that to you? Is that?

So President Trump often talks about pillar one, clean air, land, and water for all Americans. It's a five-pillar agenda. Number two is unleashing energy dominance. Three is advancing cooperative federalism and permitting reforms. Forum. Pillar 4 is about making America, the AI capital world. And Pillar 5 is protecting, bring back American auto jobs. These are all part of the Trump mandate. President Trump campaigned on delivering on all these promises. And that's what powering and great American comebacks about. It's so important. People don't understand the EPA enough. But you can either cause a lot of damage. Yes. Or you can be a good friend. Yes. To productive people. Because like we don't have that thought in our minds instantly when we think about the EPA. Charlie certainly didn't, but he trusted you to do it.

And he knew that you were the right man for the job. Did Charlie and you interact at all during the transition? Was he encouraging you to do this? Oh, yeah. No doubt. He was engaged during the transition process. And he had a lot of ideas. We were very much in contact over the campaign and the different ways to,

be able to make sure that President Trump was elected and he had a Republican Congress to work with him to implement that agenda. But when the election came and went, Charlie didn't just disengaged. He became more engaged to make sure that the right people were coming into government, that they were focused on the priorities of this president. They weren't going to, what we don't want to do is repeat any mistake of the past where the wrong people come in. They're trying to sabotage the president. Charlie, 72 hours after the election flew to Florida. That was Charlie's dedication. This is the Charlie Kirk Show. We are all about

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I want to ask you a different question, actually. There's a lot of news about, you know, what's happening with the Virginia gubernatorial race and the New Jersey gubernatorial race. You ran in a blue state. What is that like? I mean, I hope maybe with the Charlie effect and some of the things that you guys are doing in the Trump administration, they're going to have some wind at their back. i mean what are you seeing in these do they have a chance what what is your advice to them down the stretch so how i'll have to be careful about how i answer this oh sure yes understanding our setting and the position of me if there was a i think it's so important for conservatives

to get out of our comfort zone and not just speak to the people who agree with us all the time but to go to places where maybe no one in that community vote has voted and that for us in the past or agrees with us and engage with them directly and you know something that obviously charlie confronted head on especially when he was on these college campuses uh is and i've i've been experiencing this at the EPA is that there are terms words used in the environmental space that the left is used for organizing that get particular definitions that might sound good on paper, but in reality is not what you think you're getting. The terms like environmental justice, climate justice, climate change, they get a definition

and you might think that you are supportive of the concept, but actually the congressional Democrats who are pushing those terms aren't doing exactly what that definition says. Environmental justice, they'll say, hey, there's a community that's been left behind. they need help okay like we all we all agree if there's a community that's been left behind and needs help let's let's all help but actually what they're using the term environmental justice for is to get tens of billions of dollars appropriated for their left-wing activist NGO friends they're well-connected uh former Biden and Obama officials and democratic donors so that they can just you know eat at the the taxpayer till and and just waste away money with a reduced agency oversight

name of climate justice, the Biden EPA gives $50 million to a group called Climate Justice Alliance. They say the climate justice runs through a free Palestine. There are a lot of Americans who would say that we shouldn't be spending $50 million on an activist NGO like that, American tax dollars. Or in climate change, you have people who they'll build support with their definition, but then they'll try to get these policies across to have more control over the lives of more of the citizenry. They will try to bank our people who can least afford it. And I just think it's really important that we as conservatives are reminded to take advantage of all these opportunities to get out of our comfort zone, talk to people who maybe haven't

supported us or understood us in the past, maybe meet them where they are, and talk to them about these important issues because they're getting fed, what I would say are lies. that are deceptive on purpose and it results in abuse of power and and people getting taken for granted i think that's really well said confront them where they're at people have not heard these ideas do not always assume people have heard your POV that because a lot of times you'll you'll discover that they haven't i don't know blake if you've got anything top of mind or any emails we want to share but someone's holding a pool party during the that'll look that's cool that's great well that's very joy enjoy watching it yeah they were in sunset yeah okay um just

So many things, you know, we have Donna. Thank you, Charlie, for always speaking truth and being a light in the world. Your absence is just as strong as your presence. We love you and miss you, but we know God is pleased that you are with him now. Thank you, Donna. That's what's amazing. So many like these. I'm thinking of this, this visual of Charlie in 2020, it was on the south lawn of the White House

where the RNC was getting hosted. and he was right in front of me for the president's acceptance, this smile. And you all have seen this smile so often. I mean, you saw it firsthand in 2024 when they call Pennsylvania, you know, this epic footage, you know, this hard work paying off, man, that that smile. It was, it was someone who is just showing you so much of joy and passion for the cause, for this country, for the future, and hope, man, we can never forget or lose sight of that smile on his face.

Well, and that's our sacred duty here at the Charlie Kirk Show, Turning Point. That's why we're here today, why we're honored to have you. And I know that you and Charlie were close friends, and you guys confided a lot in each other. And so your loss is our loss. And I know we'll see you this afternoon. Yes, sir. We'll be there. Thank you for making the time.

It's great to be with you guys. Awesome. We're doing a little guest swap. I see Senator Mike Lee is just getting into the room. You know, everybody's furloughed in the Imperial Capitol. So getting people in and out has actually been somewhat entertaining today. But we, let's go ahead and see if there's any more emails here, Blake. Well, just he gets forward because he's about to get here. Let's throw at 155. We have a Charlie tweet from all the way back in 2013. I love Mike Lee. 155. Throw that up. And he said in 2016 that Mike Lee was his favorite senator.

154. Throw up 154. Mike Lee is my favorite senator sent on March 10th, 2016. So I hope you didn't do anything in between those times to ruin your status atop the senator list. But welcome to the show, Senator. Thank you. I'm elated. I hadn't seen those particular tweets. I'm so honored by that. I love Charlie. What a good man. I didn't even know that he tweeted those exact. There's a Charlie for everything. Yeah, there is a Charlie tweet for everything. I knew I was his favorite, to be sure. But I didn't realize he had told the rest of the world that. Well, so let's just start there. Senator, you know, you were a regular and you hopefully will continue to be a regular on this show. But, you know, you and Charlie had a close relationship.

You stayed in constant communication. You know, Charlie was based in Arizona. You're just in Utah. One stayed away. Explain what this whole last month and change has meant to you. It's his 32nd birthday today. The floor is your, Senator. First of all, happy birthday, Charlie.

And thanks to all of you who were keeping his legacy moving forward. I think the last month has been tough. Not only did they take away a dear friend of mine, a dear friend of the American people, but they took away a leader, a husband, a father, somebody who had immense potential and destiny. I'm absolutely convinced he would have been president of the United States, probably within a decade or so, which at Charlie's age still would have made him an exceptionally,

young president. But this happened almost in my backyard. I mean, UVU is just a couple of miles from where I live. And it's not the kind of place where that's supposed to happen. I remember just a few weeks earlier, Charlie called me one day right after he had scheduled that particular visit and said, Mike, I want you there, be with me, come do the event with me. And I was really excited about it. I said, tell me the date, pulled up my calendar, and realized the Senate would be in session. I said, I will be there if I possibly can. There is a chance, though, that there will be votes that have to be cast that day that I can't miss. That turned out to be the case, and a few hours before the event, the night before, I texted him and said,

there's no chance I'm going to be able to get back for this. He texted me that day, just as he was about to get to the event, telling me how excited he was for it. So, look, a huge loss. But it's up to the rest of us, those of us who knew him and had such admiration for him, to keep his message moving forward to make sure that his words echo throughout the ages. This is Lane Schoenberger, Chief Investment Officer and founding partner of Y. Reefi. It has been an honor and a privilege to partner with Turning Point and for Charlie to endorse us. His endorsement means the world to us, and we look forward to continuing our partnership with Turning Point for years to come.

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Because of private-sit loan debt, so many people feel stuck. Go to Y-R-R-R-E-F-Y-F-Y dot com. Private student loan debt relief, Y-Refi-Fi.com. But today we're kind of honoring what President Trump had raced back from the Middle East to do, which is to honor with the highest civilian honor that our country can bestow on somebody, the Medal of Freedom and the Presidential Medal of Freedom. And, you know, you see what Charlie meant to the president. And, you know, we got a chance to spend a little time last night in so many friends.

I mean, Charlie was, we talked about this earlier. Charlie was a man of the people. He was always about the grassroots, always about the muscular class, sort of reviled the elite in a sense. You know, he was kind of a populist in that way. But you go around this town right now. And it's like the who's who, and they all loved Charlie. And his friendships and his network extended to so many of the most powerful people in the world right now. And you're seeing that on full display with the president of the United States after brokering a peace deal in Israel and Gaza, flying back, racing back for this.

I guess just reflect on the enormity of that and what that says about the impact Charlie's had. Well, it's a huge thing. And it's one of countless data points that we can identify since September 10th. of where the entire world has reacted. You've got foreign heads of state recording tributes to him. You've got the president of the United States flying to Arizona the following week for that beautiful memorial service where the president himself and many members of his senior team also spoke.

He's brought together all kinds of people. And I think that's one of the reasons why I'm optimistic that his legacy will be a lasting one, and part because he's got such a great team of people who knew him really, really well, and you know because you remember, because you were there for a lot of these speeches, and you're going to be able to recall with an accurate degree of detail, which Charlie Kirk message fits the moment. Yeah, I think we all have this, like, Charlie GPT running in our head.

People want us to make a literal Charlie GPT. I know. Yeah, we're getting contacted by, you know, all these AI groups, and we're like, that's, there's a right way to do it and the wrong way to do it. Okay. I hope you'll consider it, though. You consider the amount of words that Charlie uttered as part of the public record over the last decade or so. That's a very large volume. Yeah, I think what we do genuinely want is we want the ability to see everything he did say in the past, you know, with all those hundreds, thousands of hours. Yeah. I think people would be a little creeped out if we started, you know, having a robot speak, what Charlie would say, yeah. No holograms. Oh, I wasn't even think of the holograms.

but that would be a lot of fun you probably want a water market to make clear a little longer before i'm not there yet but i do appreciate your glass half full uh on the a i robotics kind of stuff uh in the meantime he can he can he can i'll do what i can um so i want to play or i want to show this image centerly you and me kind of teamed up to make this story go pretty viral in your home state so this was published and go ahead and throw up image 99 and we mentioned it history on the show. But I just find this shocking. This is Bagley cartoon. The hole in the head gang wanted for failure to honor their oaths to protect and defend the Constitution from dictatorial whims of a malignant clown. And it has you, Burgess Owens. I mean, the Republican

elected's from Utah, right? The thing to really emphasize there is the way he's put the red bandanas around them. So it's like they all have this burst of red coming out of their neck. Right around the neck. Obviously, Charlie was assassinated with a gunshot to his neck area, and I saw this, and I could not believe my eyes. And then I found out that this Pat Bagley character is a far-left lunatic, and they celebrate him at the Salt Lake Tribune, one of the longest-running employed cartoonists left in America or something like that. But he's not even in America. He moved to Portugal. So anyways, I sent, I've tweeted about this, send it to you, and I don't know if you'd seen it already or whatever. I think maybe you had seen the edited version because they took down the hole in the head gang.

That's right. So, I mean, how did this strike you? What are you thinking? What's the status of this? Like, can we fire this guy? Can we, I mean, it's just one of those things. Like, in a human level, I want accountability. I'm not saying you can't have free speech, but this is like October 7th.

It's not even a month out after Charlie's murder. Right. Look, we ourselves, of course, can't do anything about it in terms of what his future looks like they're, that's not up to us, not up to any government. Their speech is protected by the First Amendment, and I'll fight to the death to make sure that they've got that. That doesn't mean that it's a good idea. Just because you can legally and because you're protected doesn't mean that certain things

are a good idea. And publishing something like this, which I regard is just the next iteration in a long series of inflammatory statements and inflammatory images like this one, they don't contribute to a good environment, calling people fascist Nazis, this kind of imagery, something that they've been doing for a long time. In fact, they did that just a couple days before Charlie Kirk spoke at UVU. They referred to me and Riverton Mayor Trent Staggs basically as Nazis saying that we were bringing about the Vichy regime at the United States or words of that effect. A couple days later, a member of their editorial board was asked about

up and he said oh no those guys are totally fascist and you know look they're constitutionally protected and they're right to say that but it does create a certain atmosphere now this a few weeks after that assassination occurs with the red red bandanas around the neck uh with the hole in the head comment that's really really pushing it but don't but so we want to have we have a clip we want to play this is from when you came on our show last march uh and this march yeah last march this one of these topics came up let's play clip 156 senator what do you make of this rise of left wing terrorism targeted at tesla and Elon musk my fear senator and i hope i'm wrong and let's say stay in prayer that i'm wrong that someone is going to get shot the same way that steve skilis got

shot and god forbid killed this is what domestic terrorism does this is what domestic terrorism looks like they very much want people to be in fear that's why they're do it they understand that people understand that there is a risk of bodily harm or even death in these kinds of circumstances and that's designed to induce fear one of the worst uh things about what happened to charlie is just how prophetic he was about raising the alarm about the rise of left-wing terrorism and magionism what i mean i find this chilling to even hear him say that those words, Senator Lee, what does that, how does that strike you, given what's happened? First of all, I remember that interview now. You play the clip. And I remember just finding his

words chilling when he made that comment, realizing he's probably right. This is the sort of thing that happens. So I'm glad he played that for us. But one of the most troubling things that has happened since Charlie's death has been the extent to which there are people all over America, people in responsible positions, leftists who openly celebrated, openly applauded what happened, wishing on death for more conservatives. I did not expect to see this. Look, you think back other times when other prominent national figures, whether office holders or otherwise have been assassinated, Martin Luther King, John F. Kennedy, Robert F. Kennedy, the assassination attempt on Ronald Reagan, just to name a few. You did have, sure, a couple of crazies here

or there would say something stupid, but they were immediately dismissed as not being responsible members of society. This time around, people were openly celebrating it. And they were not rejected by their own. And that harkens back to this poll. NPR, PBS, Marist poll that came out about two weeks ago, I believe it was August 1st, saying that 55% of leftists in America believe that it's morally acceptable to murder the current president of the United States, Donald J. Trump. That is just chilling. It's chilling. And by the way, there was a economist UGov poll conducted a few days after the assassination that found 30% of 18 to 39-year-old self-described progressives or liberals said that political violence was

justified to achieve political ends. Blake, do we have any emails you want to throw to? There's just so many, and so many of them are short, but they're all appreciated. I just have this one from Jolene here. Charlie was a gift on loan from God, a prophet in his time. God-fearing, intelligent, kind. He impacted so, so many, he will be missed. That was the line about Rush, right?

A gift on loan from God? Yeah, on loan from God. And Charlie loved, loved Rush, got to hang out with Rush, become really close. with us, but people don't realize this. I've said it on the show before, but if you missed it, Rush ended up becoming a seven-figure donor at a turning point. And the one rule was that Charlie was not able to ever say anything about it. And then after Rush passed, his widow, Catherine, allowed Charlie.

I think he may be said it once or whatever. He didn't make much out of it just to honor Rush's wishes. But Charlie and Rush were very close, and Rush believed in Charlie. and actually mentioned on his radio broadcast after meeting Charlie, and I believe it was in like 2017 or originally when he met Charlie or maybe 16, and he said he related the interaction to how people would talk about President Bill Clinton and how you could just even back in his college days, you could see that this guy could be president,

and Rush said that on air about Charlie. Like those two have a lot in common. Those two had prescience, particularly as to political and civic matters, that very few can match. And it's impossible for me to think about the rise of Charlie's career and his rise to prominence generally without thinking that in so many ways he was a protege of rush. I'm quite certain, in fact, I think I'd recall Charlie saying that he was an average rush, listener long before Charlie Kirk's name became prominent. And I'm also confident that those voices around Charlie, even before he started listening to Rush, were themselves influenced by Rush

Limbaugh. So it's good to have Charlie carrying on that legacy and others carrying that forward even after Charlie's going. A lot of people have been saying that, you know, they thought he was going to be president one day. And I guess what we can say is he's something greater than a president, actually, which is he's a martyr. Wow. Yeah. I mean, in his His legacy, you know, it's funny because on my first interview that I did after Charlie's assassination, it was actually with Laura Ingram, it was about an hour before Erica gave her first address. And I said that line, I said, you know, the blood of the martyrs is the seed of the church. And I actually had never heard Charlie say that.

It's just one of those things I had never heard him say. but then Erica Charlie was an avid journal maker taker so he left a ton of journal entries and she never looked at them it was obviously that would have been weird but when he died she

looked at some of those journals and she found a page and she showed it to me she took a picture of it sent me a picture of it and it said in Charlie's chicken scratch Charlie did not have great penmanship that was one thing but it said the blood of the martyrs is the seat of the church and my heart about uh dropped out

of my chest because uh you know just again the little the charlie was incredibly in tune i think with the holy spirit he was in tune with god and you know he just he could he had a sense for where things were going and where things uh you know and i think there's these little these little easter eggs these godwinks all over his life when you when you have eyes to see it. All right. So Senator Mike Lee, I was telling this to Joe LeVorgna in the first hour that we are in a government shutdown and yet you're still here. There's some other employees here, but it is funny because a lot of the employees that we

would normally interact with to get into buildings or get it security checks or whatever, they're furloughed. So where are we at? Should we care? You know, this was the kind of story inside the Beltway story that Charlie would usually not care that much about. But Joe's point was that you will start feeling this in a wider and wider concentric circles outside of the imperial capital. What's the status? Are we going to turn the lights back on any time soon? Look, they'll come back on undoubtedly at some point. Nobody knows

exactly when. We're in uncharted territory here because the Democrats controlling not one of the three political levers. There are two political branches of government, the executive and legislative. The legislative has two pieces, the Senate, and the House. Between those three pieces, the Democrats don't control the House or the Senate or the White House. For them to issue the kinds of demands that they issued in connection with leading up to culminating in this shutdown is absurd. They're not in control of any of the three branches, and yet they are not even willing to accept the Biden-era spending levels. Now look, that was high. I bristled in response to how generous an offer that was on our

part. I understand why we did it, but it was probably an overly generous offer. They still wouldn't accept that. They're so accustomed to getting their wave, the mainstream news media covering for them, and Republicans getting attacked every time something like this happens, regardless of who did what, that they think that they're immune from the laws of physics and mathematics, but it's not going to end well for them, not this time, not with this president. He's not messing around. And so, Look, when we look at shutdowns, we have to think of how many things have gone wrong along the way. A lot of people point to the fact we're supposed to pass 12 separate spending bills each in a different category of government. So you can't get to an all or nothing moment like this and the whole thing shuts down.

That's true. Even long before we get to that, something else has broken down by the time we can get into this posture. Where the federal government gets so big, so expensive, with such a long arm reaching into so many aspects of your lives, that the mere threat of not having the whole thing funded all at once can cause widespread panic. A government that can do that to you is a government that's gotten too big, too expensive. Well, I love that. I feel like that's the best place where we can leave this conversation because Charlie's first big popular slogan that ever went viral was BigGov sucks,

and it still sucks. And Charlie wanted a limited government that was strong enough to affect the people's, you know, It will that they voted for, but that was, you know, small enough that it didn't impede our freedoms. And so, I mean, I think, you know, Charlie would say, hold the line, senator, and, you know, fight for us, don't give in. And I think that's the fighting spirit in some ways that has fully saturated, it seems, the highest levers of power, at least within the admin. We've got some legislators that need some work. You are not one of them. But this offense, offense, fight, fight, fight, fight.

this pushing forward a muscular Republican Party and conservative movement that Charlie so desperately wanted. You're seeing that on display here. Yeah, it's amazing to see the flood of love, the flood of support today. Happy birthday. Happy birthday. Happy birthday. Happy heavenly birthday is a very common one that a lot of them say. And, you know, we, Charlie adored all of you. And it's great to see that they all adored Charlie. And I just, I guess, I encourage everyone to tune in at four. We'll have the level of freedom. We are going to have a birthday celebration for Charlie Kirk, unlike he would have ever imagined. It's bittersweet. It's going to be emotional. I hope all of you will join us. It's now going to be in the Rose Garden. President Trump has moved it. So we will see you

there at 4 o'clock, along with Senator Mike Lee and so many other of our friends and Charlie's dear friends. Thank you for joining us on Charlie's 32nd birthday. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust. Go to charliekirk.com.