The Charlie Kirk Show - Charlie’s 4th of July Flashback + Larry Arnn on the Founder’s Key

Episode Date: July 3, 2026

2024 was Charlie’s masterpiece, where he perfectly fused his mission of political organizing, coalition-building, and faith-based revival. In this episode from the 4th of July 2024, Charlie, Tyler, and Blake discuss the strategies grassroots activists can use at their local Independence Day celebration to find new voters, get them registered, and build election-winning coalitions. Then Larry Arnn explains how a synthesis of the Declaration of Independence and Constitution is the key to grasping the purpose of America. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com!    Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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it's only one of two days. I have dessert. Really? Is that right? What is the dessert? Oh, it's a mint chocolate chip from handles. Oh, handles is good stuff. I pride myself on discipline and self-control two days a year, my birthday. And on July 4th, I have ice cream. All right. Do they have handles in Scotts though? Oh, it's the best. Yeah, they've got a handles down Gilbert. It's incredible. It's unbelievable. I just go to this place. It runs circles around Ben and Jerry's And what's the other one, Governor Coldstone. Oh, Coldstone. I might just go get some as soon as this conversation's over.

No, handles is like legit stuff. It's like, it's real ice cream. When Erica was pregnant, she would have it like every Friday. I went and got handles. It's like insanely caloric. It's made with all the, you know, the real stuff. All the real good stuff. So happy Independence Day, everybody.

This is an Independence Day special. And we're going to go through some of your questions that you guys email us here while we're on air, Freedom at Charlie Kirk.com. But most importantly, we want to make sure you guys get into the mindset because this Thursday, today, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, we have an opportunity to expand our base and to make this not a weekend of just celebration, debauchery, and fireworks. A little bit of that if you want to do that, I guess is fine, but is also of action. Tyler is here. He runs the largest organization and the conservative movement, not the largest in the country because there's some left wing ones that are still bigger, right, Tyler? We're getting there.

And our call to action right now, we're going to get to some questions too, is make the Independence Day, make July 4th weekend matter. Yep. What does that mean from a political action standpoint? We need you to get involved. You can start doing that by downloading the turning point action application. You can find that wherever you get your app. So the Google Play Store, the Apple App Store. Also, TPaction.com has a hyperlinked.

So it very easy. TPaction.com. Tpaction.com. You can go on there. You just press the button, right? There's a button in the top right hand corner. And it should hyperlink you to the app store, right? That's exactly right if you do it on your phone.

Second thing is, is just registering voters, being ready, like you said. So what does that mean? Someone says, what does it mean to register voters? Well, this is why you need the app because we make it easy. Once you get in and you get into the activism tool section, the arrow in the top left-hand corner, there's a nice, easy button that you can push that says, register to vote. If you want to go to our website, it's tpaction.com slash vote. Which I use all the time.

which Charlie has, he sends me every week, like two to three new voters. I've been a monster in Scottsdale, man. And this is what our full-time reps are doing, right? This is what everybody's doing at Turning Point Action is we're registering people everywhere we go. But tpaction.com slash vote helps the easiest way to do this because it's just like the tools the left are putting together. So it gives you a form.

You fill it out quickly. That way we can follow up with people in case they don't actually register to vote. Press go. And then it takes you over to your state's website to do that. The only thing you basically need to have ready is that state ID or driver's license. So the biggest question that people always have is, do I have to have an ID in the state where I'm registering? Yes, you do in most cases, almost every case.

Do you have to be the full-time resident of that state? So the laws differ. So how they identify. So what we do know is in most, you know, in every state, you can't be registered in two places, right? You can't vote in two places is mostly the law. But sometimes you can be registered in two places, but you shouldn't. be. Yeah, I mean. And you should, like when I leave a state, I call them and say, get me off the voter rolls. Yeah, get me off the voter rolls. I did that in Florida and Illinois. But even if you made a mistake, you forgot to do that and you re-register, just don't vote in both places. That's illegal. That's illegal. If you get re-registered in the new place that you go, register, and then vote where you're going to be. Had somebody just reached out to me today, they said, Tyler, I'm in Wisconsin. I'm moving to Arizona, which state should I vote? And I said, it doesn't really matter because as long as. We need you in both. And either one is like the two most poor states in the country probably.

But if you do get here and he said, moving here in August, me and my fiancé are moving. How do I do it? I said, just get registered right away. You'll be fine. And you can vote here in Arizona. But if you don't, then your ballot is going to be in Wisconsin. Potentially, you need to go back and vote. So then let's say you're going to a big barbecue this weekend.

I mean, Chicago, it's a big deal. Phoenix, it's more, I don't know, nighttime. Hey, we pool, we pool, queue. Yeah, we barbecue by the pool. They're looking at 117 then. Yeah, that's beautiful. So what we do is we grill inside the house, and then we go outside and we get the pool.

So let's say you're going to a friend's house. They got 30 or 40 people. Blake, what should they do? What should they wear? You're going to a barbecue. It's a pro-American celebration. What does that look like? What does a pro-American celebration?

So meaning what does, how does one work that party for the betterment of the country? Well, it's like you say. One, it helps if you're willing to wear the hat. I'm wearing it right now. Everybody right now, this should be the day to wear the MAGA hat. If there's ever a day, it is today. Following that debate, that's going to be a lot of discussion. And then, like, it's going to come up.

People will talk about it. People, like, you know, you can maybe wait for someone if they have, like, the wrong beer brand and people start razzing them for it. You can use that as an opportunity. Always find little ways in, right? There will be a chance where it will come up. And then you can find, you can kind of deduce if someone is sympathetic if you didn't know already.

So you're saying don't bring the wrong beer brand. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then if it happens, then you can follow up. Are you registered? If they are not registered. Can I help you register?

And then that's where the app comes in handy. And, you know, a lot of people, it's like they fear awkwardness. If you really put them on the spot and you're like, no, I can help you do it right now. They'll probably go for it. Especially if you're kind of like broie about it. Yeah. Like, hey, come on. Like, let's get this done.

Oh, you know, it's July 4. from flipping burgers. Like, okay, I'll fill it in, you know, for you. Now, what are the laws? Are you allowed to fill it in for them? Yeah. What is the... Are you allowed to wear partisan, you know, stuff?

Totally. Okay. Arizona is really loose. Oh, is that right? Okay. Most states, there's no, there's really not a ton of laws around registering other people. They've regulated it in recent years, right?

Well, the left has intentionally done that, right? It used to be, you had to be an official voter registration person. Depends on the state, right? So it depends on the state. Florida's a little more hardcore. Blueer states historically were. little bit more hardcore. Now they've opened it up where it's like same day registration. You don't need anything. But look, I mean, this is why online, nobody knows who's doing it online, right? So you pull it up

and you go to your online voter registration, which most states have. And if they don't have it yet, they will soon. You go right online. You register. You just have to have that ID ready, like we said. They have to be a resident of that state. Typically, they need a state ID if they don't have a driver license or a driver's license, however they say in your state. You need to have one of the two of those things to be able to identify yourself as an actual resident. Once you input that, then you're good to go. And if you're in Arizona or Wisconsin or Georgia and other places, this is a really easy process. You upload it. You're good to go. You're on the turning point system then if you go to TPaction.com slash vote or you go to our app and you press the button within the

application. How the data, how many potentially sympathetic people are there in Arizona, Wisconsin, Georgia, Michigan, North Carolina that are not registered to vote? That fit our demographic profiles. We're talking hundreds of thousands, Charlie. We're talking literally maybe millions. People don't believe that when you say that. Maybe millions. No, in most cases in America, you know, there are substantial pockets of people who are not registered to vote. You've seen this personally when you've got to churches you were at churches this weekend totally you ask people who here's not registered to vote and we were doing voter reg there and we're doing voter reg there we have teams that are are constantly doing this but you go you ask these groups of people who you would think you know they're good community

but they go to church right or they own guns they own guns they participate they have kids that are in you know sometimes uh you know really important activities boy scouts other things and they're not registered to vote and you know Wisconsin this is like a huge deal is that hunters are not registered to vote. In the south, we have evangelicals and churchgoers who are not registered to vote. Here in Arizona, we have a lot of transplants who move here from other places, and they just don't re-register. So their voter registration is still in California or somewhere else, but they moved here as a conservative because they wanted to get out of California. Well, it only makes a difference if you show up a vote because they're chasing the psychos who want

to turn Arizona into California. They're chasing the crazies in Wisconsin who want to turn Wisconsin and into Illinois, right? So that is our biggest task is we've got to get people registered and willing to turn out to vote. And you've got to take it upon yourself then to make sure that person does vote. And that's step two. But right now is they got to be on the voting rolls. And Blake, from a conversational standpoint, how should one talk about this current race given the dynamics of the debate? Oh my gosh. So I think it's worth remembering. You got to bring it up. You have to bring it up. Yeah. And I think it helps that a lot of people. people who probably are not super who aren't really engaged with voting, they will get a lot of

out of the sort of superficial like, oh, Biden's a disaster. He's, he's too old. He can't play into that, by the way. Yeah, play into that. Reinforce it. Yeah. Like, get, because people need to hear it from others too. Yeah. And like, I think they'll be more susceptible to like the ridicule of it, like, pointing out how ridiculous it is that they're doing this. You can, you can compare it with the, you know, the way they all lied about it for years. Like, oh, yeah, the press covered this up for three years basically that Biden could not do all of these things and now they're all admitting it and they've lied about it and they're just thinking people won't pay attention and won't vote based on this but you can counter at by registering with me right now and you don't need to say it that way

but normal people who don't vote super actively are going to be more uh open to arguments that are based on just these like this is by far and we have to go to break here this is going to be the most potential right wing july 4th we've ever lived through where like the left is the most ashamed. Yes. Lean into that, everybody, as you get your hot dogs, your burgers,

and your celebration ready this July 4th. TPaction.com slash vote. So Tyler, let's go through. In 2020, Donald Trump, despite everything thrown at him,

fell 10,000 votes short in Georgia, 10,000 votes short in Arizona, 11,000-ish, and, you know, and Georgia, 10,000 Arizona, and 22,000 in Wisconsin. Can we get this audience

to register 42,000, voters this weekend? Easily. I mean, think about how many people listen to the show. Millions. We literally have millions of people that this show touches every week. We've had tens of millions. So even if just 42,000 people registered one voter.

That's it. You just got to register one person. And that's the big story is do not be thinking, oh, I have to register 10 people or 20 people or my entire neighborhood. No, you need to register that one person. Your kid who is going to be, that is 17, turning 18 before the election, you have a spouse that may have just become disillusioned or just too busy you know there's there's people plenty of people with spouses that just work really hard and they're like ah i'm just i'm so over it right

you have family members extended family members some of us have senior family members who have moved because they've retired and they just have said you know what i'm just going to spend all my time on the beach or i'm just going to spend all my time in the country club on the golf course and i'm not going to worry about anything else including voting all of these instances plus so many more have to be looked at, and it's just one person in your family. There's one neighbor, one friend, that's it. And that force multiplying effect is profound. Huge.

So Blake, now, do we want to run against Biden? Oh, that's an interesting question. You know, I feel like we do in the sense that we know we can beat him at this point and why introduce uncertainty where if they replace him could blow up in their face and we get a big landslide. Do you believe we can beat him at this point? You say we know we can. I mean, I don't say we're going to win 100%.

Obviously, that's why we're doing all of this. Yes, but we have a good shot. We have a very good shot. We know he is weak. We have evidence he will get weaker. The party is all divided. They're flipping out. They'll have to, I mean, assuming he's still running as the time people are hearing this.

But like, we know we can beat him. We know it's doable. We're up in the polls. We have all the ingredients we need to win. So why introduce uncertainty with a new candidate that, the press can spin in a new way and people might go along with it or not. I think it's good as long as the Democrats are freaking out and fighting with each other and they're doing that with Biden. Well, and I'll say this on top of it.

The one thing that 2020 proved for the Democrats is that they can work with chaos. And the chaos that they, that proliferated because of how they leaned so far into COVID, made it possible for them to start pulling at strings and doing things that really change the face of our elections. And so your point is exactly right. Giving them more opportunity to promote chaos right ahead of the election gives the Democrats more organizational, they have the organizational prowess, more ability to do that again.

And we shouldn't allow that. We shouldn't allow that. And, you know, Jack put out some tweets. that we should allow it. They need to move forward and stick with what the American public wanted, which was Biden on the ballot. And I think Republicans should support that and try to prevent chaos as much as possible. You know, it's kind of funny that there's this assumption that they can't swap out for Kamala

because she's brutally unpopular and will be even less popular than Biden. But Biden's approval numbers are really, really low. Like substantially below Kamala substantially below Hillary Clinton. at her worst. People really do not like Brandon at this point. And by the way, Trump called him Brandon. Did you guys catch that? Everyone's calling him Brandon.

I think he was referring to Brandon, who was the... Oh, Brandon Judd. Judd. Got it. But it was kind of funny because everyone thought he was referring to him as Brandon. But he was talking about Brandon Judd. Just call Brandon, as you was saying? Yeah.

Yeah. So I want your take on this. So watching the debate, I was quarantined off to the side, like watching myself, we knew Biden did bad, but I don't think he did as bad as some of his other gaffes that we in conservative media cover on a daily basis. Yeah. Would you agree with that? I don't, it was pretty bad.

I think the mumbling over, you know, beating Medicare, that's in the top five bad Biden moments. Yeah. For sure. There's been a few other ones. There's definitely been the one where like, when he like gets lost kind of wandering all around the Rose Garden, I think was one of them. No, but I'm saying most Americans never saw. Yeah. Like, this is their first exposure.

This is the propagandist network that is the mainstream media. But this is the great talking point for Fourth of July, right? It's like, if you thought that was bad, you should start Googling more. Yeah, exactly. You should realize this is a pattern. This is a pattern. And your government has been lying to you. And the media has been covering this up repeatedly.

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I didn't respond back in the chat on that, but I was going to say. It's not the craziest idea, right? She's already there. She has the last name. I really think that if you took a public poll of that, people would be very upset. How are they not upset about what's going on right now? That's what I'm saying. They like the puppeteering.

I mean, they don't realize the puppeteering, right? And so they get away with it. If that came out in public, that would be almost, I almost think that would be worse than Kamar. There's this great Wall Street Journal piece I have to read from here by Gerard Baker, who's very, very fair. It's this. The Democrats gaslit and deceived us for four years all in the name of democracy. That collapsed on Thursday. There is something fitting about the disarray in which the Democrat Party finds itself.

A fearful symmetry in the now fraught relationship between President Biden and panicking, and colleagues. Biden succeeded because he made towing the party line his life's work. Like all politicians who egos dwarfed their talents, he ascended the greasy pole by slavishly following his party wherever it led. In the 70s and 80s, Democrats were a party of post-Vietnam, peace-knick activists, so he followed them for that. And in the 90s, they were tough on crime. So we followed them on that. After 9-11, the party fell in behind George W. Bush. And of course, Biden was right there, too, leaning from the middle, backing the war on terror and the invasion of Iraq. So it goes on to this.

And finally, but now, 81 years in, things have gone horribly wrong. Much of his party has no use for him anymore. They're trying to desperately jettison him and in a remarkably cynical act of bait and switch, swap him out for someone more useful to their cause. Do you think they're going to pull by it? Ultimately, I mean, we've gone through this. We talked about this length on Thoughtgram.

I just don't know where they would go unless they have a plan that has been set in motion already for months and months, it doesn't seem that that's been the case. This is not play. There is no plan. I just, with, people are still saying,

all this chaos is intentional. You are so wrong. This is a bad look for it. When, when you don't have a plan in place, it's really hard to hurt cats, right? It's really hard to get everybody on the same page.

And even if it was someone like Michelle Obama, which, you know, it is almost super transparent that this is not her M.O. You know, that's why Obama came right out and was like, Joe's good, right? Like, Joe's part of,

of the Obama control mechanism. I just don't, I just don't see how this ends well at all trying to swap him out. Everything points the direction of leaving him in, even without brain function, is probably going to be the best bet for them. And then they can blame him, by the way. And to that point,

they can blame him for a long time. I mean, I hear that. Blake, are they going to give up the White House that easily? Not saying that we automatically win, But the odds are not in there. I mean, they're sub-50% right now. For sure. It's really crazy to think about that.

We've never in really our lifetimes had a presidential election where... George McGovern. A presidential election where a Republican is up in the polls in a big way. But, I mean, look, I mean, the last time there was a sacrificial lamb was John McCain-Obama. Yeah. That was the last time where it wasn't competitive. Get the old guy in line. We're done.

Even then, I think they tried. pretty genuinely to win that one. No, I mean, they're going to try with Biden this day. But how about George McGovern in 84? Yeah, I guess. Yeah, or Mondale and. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I don't know.

The Clinton, yeah, the Clinton, uh, uh, uh, uh, dole election was pretty, that's pretty ugly. Yeah, 96. That was ugly. It was like, that was really that, you know, old guy. Sorry, it's 1972 with McGovern. The 96th election was like Clinton's pretty popular. Perrault's at it again. You know, Bob Dole is just like the next man up.

He deserves this. Like he has to be the nominee because they're so well respected and just old bowl type stuff. I think that's the last time. And this is, and you know what? There are a lot of comparisons maybe between Trump and Clinton on our side and Bob Dole and Joe Biden. So at what point, this will be the answer. I'm Tyler.

I'm fascinated on your take here. At some point that we are going to have a bottom up crisis where the Gallegos, the Jackie Rosens and the Tammy Baldwin's, if Biden keeps on descending, they're the ones that are going to either show distance themselves or demand a new candidate. Can you talk about that? Yeah. And they're going to have to start demanding a new candidate publicly in Wisconsin and Arizona and, you know, other places.

You know, you can already see some of that, you know, circling the wagons happening in Michigan where they're like, holy, guacamole, like, we're not, we don't have nearly the same type of support that we did organically. And, like, again, 16 revealed this, right? Because they thought organically they could just wipe the floor with Trump. And Trump just won't go away. Well, no, what I'm saying is that, for example, let's take Arizona. Yeah.

If Carrie Lake gets within, I mean, she's within two points right now. Oh, yeah. In the latest tracking poll, if she's, like, tied her up on Gallego. All it takes is Trump then to win by more than five for her to have a real shot, right? Like, for her to, for sure. For the manipulated shot. And again, I'm not saying that we don't believe in Carrie. We love Carrie.

We believe it. Trump will outperform carry. That is a fact of nature. They're going to come to Arizona not campaigning on behalf of Joe Biden at this point. It's going to be trying to just squeeze in Rubin. Gallego. Do Trump-Giago voters. Which is just going to be like, they're just going to be like, just vote for Rubin. You don't have to worry about anything else. Don't care if you vote for Trump. This is what they do.

This is what they did with Mark Kelly. No, no, I'm just saying that is a huge, like, victory for the Trump campaign. Yeah, but this is the reason why they're nervous, right? Because it's like, we got to win by enough to pull, to combat that, which I think we totally can. The work that we're doing here in Arizona. I mean, I hope we win by one. But I mean, I have no idea. Yeah. I mean, but we're going to have. have to do everything we possibly can through the kitchen sink at the left to win. But this is, again, Eric Havdi and Wisconsin has a real shot. All of a sudden, these incumbent Senate Democrats were their whole life, they're going to get

sunk by Biden. Do you hear what I'm saying here, Blake? This could get wildly out of control of them. Because think about this. If Trump survives July 11th, which is a week from today, July 11th, the sentencing. Which he will. The week after that, his numbers are going to skyrocket because it's the R&C. And I think it's going to be a great production.

You have full monopolization. You have a really good look for the party. It's going to be great. We'll be there in Milwaukee. We'll be doing our show. So you're looking at early August. Then the Olympics happened and everyone forgets about politics for like two weeks, basically. And Trump will basically post the last bad thing on the calendar will be sentencing for Trump.

You're looking at a baked cake until the DNC, which is the next opportunity they have to do the comeback kid narrative in mid-August. Is that enough time to bring his numbers back? because presidential politics move at a glacial pace. Spin it the other way. That's enough time for him to like meaningfully decay even more. No, seriously, though. Think about that. That's a good point.

He looks, I mean, he looks substantially worse than he did at the State of Union. No, 100%. No, I mean, so is he going to be, what will he be like health-wise by Chicago? And what's crazy is they, one more time and it's like all over. He basically can't have another really bad moment. He can't have a major speech where he mumbles through. Even if it's not on a big stage. And supposedly he's going to get through another debate in September.

So he's going to have to disappear. But Charlie, to your point, think about this. Think about if those people start pulling out of the DNC convention. Oh, so Gallego doesn't show up. Or Jackie Rosen doesn't show up. Or Tammy Baldwin doesn't show up. Or Senator Casey doesn't show up. One of those people is not going to show up.

One of those people is not going to speak at the DNC stage. This is fascinating stuff, though. Or Ken Allred doesn't show. Well, he's not going to win anyway. But John Tester doesn't show up. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, for sure. But one of those people, at least, is not going to show up.

A lot of them may not show up. They may go, I mean, again, this is where a lot of, you know, conspiracy theorists start diving in and start going, something's got to give here. They're going to, like, shut down the, like, there's going to be some kind of, like, massive, like, uprising or, like, controlled, like, burn of, like, Chicago that's going to shut down the whole convention so then people have an excuse not to come like something's like this is where everybody's talking about this because like to your point charlie it's exactly right these people aren't going to want to have any proximity to joe biden by that point the i was just looking at this amazing

rally head in virginia which is so smart he did it in southern southern virginia right near the north carolina border and it just like trolled it was a very smart move yeah um because it was like campaigning in north carolina but it's really shoring up but then he trolled the left and yonkin gave a great speech and it's really great because the left is now pouring money into Virginia because of this. That's super smart, right? It was right on the, Chesapeake is like right on the border. You know, I had more North Carolina attendees than Virginia attendees. It's like, it was actually We could like troll maximally hard, do a rally in like Tahoe and it's really like Reno. Oh, no, that's what I'm saying. No, no, you go to Washoe County, but it's kind of also California.

Yeah. And so it's great. So the, the, when the lower, so let's talk about the house, Hakeem Jeffries is supposed to for sure take the House. No. If that starts to get, be put in jeopardy. After all the Speaker Johnson McCarthy nonsense, what does that look like, Tyler or Blake? I mean, how do they navigate this atmospherically? Well, let's think about the places that the Republicans are most at risk for the House.

Okay. So the Democrats are expecting to take back seats in New York in California, right? Right? So they're expecting that. They had a rewrite of districts in Georgia, which doesn't change much. There's a couple that can be picked off in other places that they were hoping for, like Lauren Bobert's seat in Colorado, like one in Arizona, one or two in Arizona, they're hyper-targeting.

But, I mean, look, outside of that, there's not a ton of places worth for them to pick up seats. So the question is, you look at these deeper blue areas where the left is, and investing as much, California, New York, for example, and you basically have a repeat of 2022 because of the Joe Biden narrative. Yeah, I mean, you're putting them at potential risk of not having the house. And even worse, a house that's controlled either by the Freedom Caucus again or by the or by our good friend AOC. So the latest poll from Pennsylvania, Signal, C-Y-G-N-A-L, I don't are they a right leaning firm? I think they're pretty fair, right?

They're they're towards the middle, but I think they're center left. Has Trump up four in Pennsylvania post-debate? Yeah. Outside of the margin of error in this poll. Yeah. And both with multiple candidates, to your point, actually, multiple candidates does not help or hurt Donald Trump in Pennsylvania. So there's actually, when multiple candidates are there, some of them break down and into other constellation. I still think more candidates help because turnout, you're not going to see that reflected with higher turnout.

Do you agree? And more candidates is really important, too, and not just this race, about all of the races, harder to chase. So the Democrats can't chase when there's multiple candidates. When it's binary, it's like, okay, just get them in this bucket or that bucket. But all of a sudden you start knocking on doors of 28-year-old women. And they're like, well, I think I like that RFK guy. They're like, no. Yeah.

Like 30 seconds. Well, I just think, this actually, all these bad polls almost make it, it's almost like more likely. They'll just have to stick with Biden. Why? Because, well, if they blow up, right now they can just say Biden is weak because he's old. but like the parties otherwise united, if you throw out Biden and try to like replace Kamala, now there's a party civil war,

and that's how you risk getting blown out. By the way, McCormick was within the margin of error of Casey in Pennsylvania. Yep. He was down 12 points a month ago. He's within the margin of error in the latest poll in Pennsylvania. Download the app. Get to work. Less beer, more voters.

Blake, do you want to incorporate what you're going to, I think it's very important to one of the questions here. Oh, sure, sure, sure. Well, we had Joshua who said, how do you and your team celebrate the 4th of July? Sometimes it feels like Americans get too frivolous with the festivities. It feels like we forget the 4th of July should make us want to work harder, not just have fun.

What do you guys think? Did I write that question? I guess, yeah, maybe, maybe. I spend time in the sun, go for a long walk. Then once it gets to be like 115, I go inside, and then I have ice cream. One thing of ice cream, I only have dessert twice a year. That is one of the days. All we're going to say is the founding fathers were not grilling on the original 4th of July.

They were putting in work. But eventually, John Adams had this beautiful essay. You know this. He said that the 4th of July will be celebrated with cannons being fired and fireworks and huge celebrations. So they give you a green light to celebrate. Yeah. It is a day that I support people to go a little bit crazy. I eat as much ice cream as you do in a year in a year.

in about 24-hour period with my kids. So I don't share that. But I do celebrate salting a really great room temperature steak. Oh, it's the best. And you just salt it all day long, just salt and pepper, that's it, let it sit out, grill it to perfection, get it right at that, you know, what we call rare plus, you know, right there. It bleeds a little bit. And then you go out, register a voter. I will be around a lot of voters.

And I'm wearing the MAGA hat all day long. all day long. Here's another one you might like. Jorge, are there any facts about the 4th of July or the history of America's founding you wish more people knew?

It actually wasn't on July 4th. You know that one. July 2nd. It's actually the true founding. It's just waited for that signature. That's right. And so July 4th was when all the signatures were complete. Thomas Jefferson's age when he wrote it was super young.

He was like 26 or 27. Most of them are very young. They're super young. There's only one Catholic. Do you know who was? I'm going to stump him again. I can't remember the name. Charles, Carol, you should know that.

Blake, you got to sharpen up. Whatever. The point is this, we know you know a lot. He wasn't a very good Catholic, if I recall. Do I know anything that Blake doesn't know? That's fair. That's fair. Well, good Catholics would have stayed in Europe.

Yeah, probably. But he was from Maryland. You're right. I'm just teasing on Catholic friends. Or how about 50 years after July 4th? Yep, they both. that's the creepiest of all the things. Both Adams and Jefferson both died on the same day, 50 years to the day after the signing of the declaration.

That is crazy. That's, I think that's 1826. That's God stuff. July 4th, 1826. What else you got? Let's see. With all the negative news, what are some things you still love about America? Obviously, there's a lot of serious ones, but is there a fun thing you still really love about America?

I still love that I have not found this. anywhere else in the world that there's a subset of crazy entrepreneurs in this country. I think that's really cool. I think that there's a small group of balzy risk takers that are willing to... It really is when you read like threads on the internet where they ask foreigners, what do you notice about America? One of the things they talk about is America has this insane go-getter energy where they're like, yeah, let's go do that thing.

And that's what we're doing. Like go out register voters. Don't just complain. Like it's not in the France. They're like, I don't understand. And me, work. Yeah. Like, I do what I'm told.

Like, it's such a foreign concept. Yeah. I've not found that replicated anywhere around the world. Maybe I'm wrong. I just haven't. It's amazing. What else do I love about America? I mean, I love football.

I like free refills. No one, no one else does that stuff. That's true. And ice and drinks. They don't do that. They don't, yeah, free refills. You don't get free refills. No.

You don't even get, like, you get, you don't get free refills. And if you get water, it's like a little tiny thing and there's no ice in it. Is you serious? Yeah. Total atrocity. Ice and air conditioning is like an unbelievable first world. Air conditioning. They do not have air conditioning in Europe.

And when I first experienced this, I stayed at a five-star hotel once in London. They do air conditioning. No, I see. They have like a little mini fan. It's unbelievable. Europe is poor. No, no, no. They're environmental.

That's a separate issue. These are in the nicest. Charlie, you have to understand. It's way more fun to call Europeans poor because they are. They're not that poor. The combined GDP of all of Europe is the same as America If you go like the UK's like

Oh we're such a rich country And then they're like GDP per capita Is lower than the poorest US state? Is that right? Europe sucks. Germany is not a poor country. It's not but it's fun to say they are Okay Germany's like legitimately rich

And they don't have air conditioning They don't have Taco Bell That plays right into the entrepreneurship They can have it The entrepreneurialism I think it's incredible like all of the ideas That come out of America That without those ideas

the world would be like a shabby place. We used to have this and Trump's trying to bring it back. I like that. We hate to lose. Yeah. I love the confidence that America has. I will never cheer for us in soccer. America has confidence. Losing is more important because it keeps soccer unpopular.

We must never allow soccer to become great in America. Well, good news. The American team lost to Panama like last week. Thank the Lord. The great panamians. They invade our country. This is the one exception. I'll cheer for anything else.

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an icon of our age who runs one of the most important institutions in the country uh dr dr back to the show. It's so good to have you. Good to be with you guys. You guys are like kids to me. I think of you as family. Thank you, sir. Well, we look up to you in some pretty incredible ways, and I think you deserve every ounce of our respect and admiration. And I can't think of a better person to have on the show as we look toward the 250th anniversary of the creation of the United States of America, the greatest nation in the history of the world. What does this mean? What kind of accomplishment does this actually represent in the history of humanity, a self-governing republic making it to 250 years of age?

Well, start with the fact that it's the first one. That was never before. They made some radical innovations as against England and the continent and as against all previous political experience. they set out to devise a country that would be stable and strong and free and governed entirely by the consent of the governed. Never before. If you read your Aristotle, he will tell you that the mixed regime is the best way to get stability. And what is that regime? If you're an aristocrat, you get a special measure of power because of that. If you're the monarch, you get a special. And then the many, the deems, the democracy, they get some special power.

Now it's everybody. And to make that happen and to sink that through and do it for the first time. And remember, the people who signed that document thought they were signing their death warrants. They thought they had no choice. One of the founders, and I'm not remembering the name of the two guys right now, it's in a movie we made lately called Revolutionary America. when I was fat and short, when I was tall and skinny, and the fat short one said to the tall, skinny one,

you have the advantage of me. When they hang us, I'll die quickly. You might dangle for an hour. So that's how it began. And it's beautiful. It is beautiful, and it's special, and it's precious. And, you know, one of the reasons we want to celebrate 250 here on the show and in the country and make a big deal about it

is because we believe that's the right interpretation and understanding of history and understanding of our country. You wrote a book, Dr. Arne, that, I mean, I think you wrote this 13 years ago, and it is just as critical for understanding our current moment as ever before, if not more so than when you wrote it. And that's the founder's key. Subtitle is the divine and natural connection between the declaration and the Constitution and what we risk by losing it.

so many questions. Did you realize you were writing such a timeless book when you did this? Did you hope that we would have made more progress by now in restoring that? But just give us the fundamental thesis of the case in the Founders Key. What is the argument you're making and why is it so important right now? Well, I'm too busy to write long books or any books except things that last a long time. You know, in other words, if there's a, if the Declaration of Independence was true when it was written, then it's true today. That's what it says. If it isn't true today, it wasn't true then.

So the first step is to understand it. I set out to explain it. What do we mean by the laws of nature and nature's God? What do we mean all men are created equal? What are these rights with which we are endowed? What are they? The second thing I tried to do was show that it's a very commanding document. It's a revolutionary document.

It demands things of us. And one of the things it demands is the Constitution, a constitution like ours. I wanted to show that those two documents are inseparable. There's overlap in the people who wrote them. And why are they? At the time that I wrote the book, there was a scholarship still around. And it says the Declaration of Independence, we really like it. It's a very radical document.

The Constitution comes along later, and it's a conservative document. It differs in spirit from the Constitution. Well, what's the connection between the two documents, apart from the overlapping people who wrote them? They come 11 years apart. The middle of the Declaration of Independence, the structure of the Declaration of Independence, it's 1,400 words long, a little less than that.

you read it. It's really great. Read it and read it. The beginning is very universal. The end is very particular. It's we in this room pledge to each other, our fortunes, lives, and sacred honor. In the middle are the reasons that justify the revolution. And those reasons are a list of things

the king and parliament have done to us. And those things include violating the separation of powers, which gives the structure to our Constitution. Congress, courts, the executive. Another is failures of representation. He has not respected our elected rulers. He himself is minted. Thomas Jefferson writes in 1774

in a sentence that I've always loved. It's sort of the American spirit. It's sort of Charlie Kirk spirit too. The last paragraph of the this essay called the Summary View of the Rights of British North America begins, let not those, let those flatter who fear, sire. It is not an American art. And then he goes on to say, you and your ministers are servants. Well, he had violated that, which is the consent of the governed. And so the point is, just think backwards. If it's a cause

for rebellion that these high principles of constitutionalism are violated, then we need a constitution that doesn't violate them. And ours was so devised. It has changed in some ways that I think very regrettable. And one of them is the Congress doesn't make the laws anymore. And it's made in a permanent administrative state, which, by the way, a Supreme Court case just affirmed that the president can fire those guys, which is very good because it's not that I like the president better than the bureaucrats. Sometimes I do and sometimes I don't. It's that we elect the president. He has the consent of the governed behind him. So you see, the Constitution is implied by the declaration. And remember, when I say that it's a revolutionary document, it's also a challenge document

because it says, if you behave in this way toward your fellow man, you are in the right. And if you do not, you are in the wrong. And that means that it requires of us that we live a certain way and govern ourselves a certain way. And that's why the document is so revolutionary. Because think of this crazy thing. If I ask you, you're an educated man, what is the birthday of Great Britain or France or China? It's kind of hard to say, isn't it? Those days they developed over time, those countries, long periods of time, by the way.

We have a birthday. There was a day, July the 3rd, 1776, and there was no United States of America. And then the next day, there was one. it's our birthday and the document that constitutes the birthday gives the reasons for the country and how it should be governed in fewer than 1,400 words. That's pretty good. That is pretty good.

Well said, Dr. Arne, you have a way of putting things that makes you see them from a whole new vantage point. Hang right there, Dr. Ron. We'll be right back with you. I want to tell you guys about... If you could go back in time and buy oil before the world relied on it, would you? Of course you would.

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We have so much reason to be, I think, hopeful based on our past and based on the promise of the future. Like a really personal question for you. Dr. Arn. I am personally very upset about the Supreme Court ruling on birthright citizenship this week. But why should we be grateful and why should we have hope? Why do you have hope for the future of America? Well, I think everything is doomed. I think one of my great teacher in life, I had to one of his name, Harry Jaffa. and he's writing a beautiful book called Crisis the House Divided in 1956 he wrote that book and in a key chapter he says it is the hope that inspires that is inspired and is inspired by the Decorative Independence of Opportunity for All that provides the energy to America hope right

America is a challenge. I grew up in Pocahontas, Arkansas, and my dad was a school teacher. He never made any money to speak of. Somehow, I grew up thinking I could do anything. And, you know, I did a few things, right? And look at Charlie's career. Charlie is 17 and 18 years old, and he gets, this idea and he starts to sleep it on people's sofas and he builds a great organization.

Who told him he could do that, right? He just thought he could. And that's America. Other countries do not have that in the same measure because they don't begin the way we begin and they're not organized the way we are. The danger to the country, you didn't like the birth light citizenship decision, nor did I very much, did not like it. But that's partly because they don't, they missed the point. The reason you're a member, you're a subject of England or France if you're born there is because you are subjects.

You're here. You're born here. You are responsible to the king. The king tells you, right? Here you are a citizen. It requires an active step. And the active step is either two people who are citizens, for one, give birth to you an implicit obligation of citizenship to raise your child to know and support his country, or you take the legal steps that are necessary to attest to it. Just born here, does it in America, it can make you a subject wherever you're born. It can't make you a citizen. And that's another thing that's so hopeful and wonderful about the Declaration of Independence. So important about it, right?

Any, nobody can be an important American, but America is a set of practices and beliefs, and one must subscribe to those. You know, the citizenship today is test today that is administered to

millions of people, hundreds of thousands for sure, every year, it actually is excellent. And what it requires them to do is to commit to the principles of the nation and the laws of the nation. And those principles see, remember, we are responsible for those. We are the source of the immediate laws, and our entitlement to do that is under laws that no one makes except God, under the laws of nature and of nature's God. And that,

you see, that system, Lincoln says very beautifully once, well, I'll tell you about Lincoln never gave, didn't give an important speech on the 4th of July in his life, which is an oddity. But on the 10th of July 1858 in Chicago, he gave one of the greatest speeches anybody ever gave. And here's a, I'll paraphrase the speech for you. He says, we get together on this day and we celebrate the greatness of our country. It's grown so much, it's so big, there's so many of us, we produce so much, we grow, we, build, awesome. He says, but then we, and we look back to those fathers who built

the course of independence. And we think that they were iron men. I've always loved that. I can almost hear Lincoln say, iron men. Then we see a problem because we don't really come from us, from them. Many of us have come from other places and later. We are not blood of the blood and flesh of the flesh of the fathers who came before us. Hear the Bible?

Then he says now, but then we look at the decolation and we see what it says, and it says that all men are created equal. That is the electric cord, he said, that unites the hearts of liberty-loving men everywhere on earth. That is the father of all moral principles. responsible in us. You see, and remember there's the direct appeal to God as he is known through faith and through reason in that document. It begins with that. That is the authority under which they risked their lives. And remember what they did to England, right? It was nobody took them seriously. And they thought the cause was probably hopeless when they started, right? But they did was take a territory away from George III that was as large at that time as the Roman Empire at its peak. That's what a victory they won. And they won it in the name of these things. You see, those soldiers at Valley Forge, what were they thinking? They were thinking. These people

can't tell us what to do. We have to live our lives and we didn't elect them. That means that it was in the heart of everyone, and they suffered for it and died for it, many. You see? That's inspiring. And you asked me, what is the cause for hope? There is the cause for hope for our country. The ultimate cause for hope is God. The hope for our country is that set of arrangements that are unique to us. I love what you said, and I can't remember if you were quoting somebody, but you said it was the opportunity for all people that provides the energy to the country. And then you related that to Charlie's own story. It's like nobody gave Charlie permission to build Turning Point.

It was imbued into his character, into his spirit by an underlying understanding of his relationship to the country, his relationship to God. And so he went out and he took it and he built it. And I think that is the single most hopeful thing I've heard anybody say about the country actually at its most fundamental level. I want to talk to you about an issue so many Americans face, and that's health insurance. There's an organization I really, really appreciate, called Christian Healthcare Ministries. CHM is a faith-based alternative to health insurance. And this is real stuff, folks. Like, you've got to listen in.

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But I feel like we're going through another great crisis, which is America, as we know, it has taken in a larger number of people from all over the world than any. country has ever done in its history. And we see the stress that it's putting on our traditional constitution. We have people running for office right now who just active, who just say America was founded on evil. It's an innately wicked country. And this is a platform that can win a primary, that can win an election, that can win almost half of Congress, it seems. What can we do as a country, I think to digest what we've taken into this and build a coalition that actually continues to admire

the declaration and the Constitution as what you argue are basically divinely driven documents to keep America the blessed country that it is because it seems a lot of people are very eager to disavow that and it's going to be a great struggle. Oh, yeah, well, yeah, so how to answer that? You might even say it's a vulnerability of the country that it's founded with an argument. You know, these are the propositions and this is why we're doing what we're doing.

So what if people come not to believe those propositions anymore? What will happen? That's death itself. I think that in American history there have been many, many challenges to the ideas and the accuracy independence among Americans. The two main ones are the Civil War and now. And what was the doctrine of the Civil War? It was the idea that men are not born, free, they evolve. Some evolve faster than others. Those who evolve faster should rule those others. You can identify those who evolved farther and those who evolved not so far by the color of the of their skin.

God, dehumanizing that is, because if skin color is essential to the human being, then that means the soul, which needs to be an immaterial thing and the motivator of the whole being of the human being is not the thing. And if a thing doesn't have matter, it doesn't have color. So there's that, that's a fundamental thing, right?

Among us today is something akin to that. It's the idea that we can master nature. You have to start with the mature version of this doctrine, which is in German historicism. And that idea is that everything changes with time. And we, our societies change with time and what is true in one time is not true in another time. And our time is the compelling thing.

our situation, our context, where we live, how we work, in Marx, it's the tools we use to produce. In Hegel, it's more general than that. And so we're victims of our time, except, they write, because human evolution is going to a place, at the end of history, we can at last see and command the whole process ourselves. We can get control of the process of history.

That's how natural science comes in. It gets converted into not a way of knowing, but a way of manipulating. And we can re-engineer the society. The progressus in America, John Dewey and Woodrow Wilson and Herbert Crowley and Frank Goodnow are my favorites. What they write is we've reached a new stage of history. The Constitution is an outdated mechanism now.

Remember, I have said that under the terms of the Declaration, the structure of the Constitution of the United States, which is the most important thing about it, is dictated by the laws of nature and nature's guide. That is to say it's an eternal claim, that this is the right way to make a Constitution, just like the Declaration makes an internal claim about the right way we should be governed,

govern ourselves. So they say that now we have new truths, and we can use the tools of modern science in public policy to perfect the society, which is effectively saying that we can be our own creators. We can replace God. You can remake everything. I'll illustrate that there's a, Frank Good now,

my favorite passage in the whole corpus. These guys, by the way, are kind of technical writers. To get the cadence of the Decorates of Independence into oneself is to encounter beauty. Simply lovely. It makes you want to write like that. Hard to do. If you read these guys, you're reading like a manual for putting a tool together or something.

Very technical, right. But Goodnow says, he was a teacher all his life. He's founder of the American Political Science Association. He says, we teachers take ourselves too seriously sometimes. We think that we're teaching the students' things that will direct their lives. No, economic conditions that prevail in the future will decide what they think. So in other words, not the student and not the teacher, but the situation in the future will govern what we think. Well, what do you do about that?

How do you escape that slavery of being controlled by the conditions around you? The answer is get control of the condition. make the society according to your own will. Then you can control everything. You can be the maker of all. That argument is elaborated in a wonderful book by CS. It's called Abolition of Man. Well, look what's happened to the government since those doctrines gained this way that they have,

which is not complete but extensive. In 1930, these ideas first got a political majority in America. in the 1932 election for the election of Franklin Roosevelt. And he was not entirely a bad man, by the way, but he thought these things. Well, in 1930, if you look at the census of 1930, it's statistical abstract of the United States, you will see that the government of the United States,

all government, state, federal, and local, was about 12% of the gross domestic product. Now, if you count the regulatory cost, that's a little over 50%. That's an enormous adjustment from the public, from the private to the public. The public is much stronger now, and the government is much more numerous in its body count, and it's what it controls. It's harder for us to control it, right?

Another thing that's changed, in 1930, over 60% of the money that was spent in the public sector was raised and spent inside the cities and counties and towns. Now that number is under 20%. The federal government in 1930 was about 23%. Now that number is mid-60s, right? So we have made the government much larger as a percentage of the total pie, and we have centralized where the money is.

And we now make our laws through administrative agencies, and we make many, many more than we used to be able to make. So the point is that's a crisis. And at bottom, it's a crisis of ideas. And because you guys want me to be hopeful, I will say, that we know the solution. We should question those ideas. We should study the ideas against which they are opposed.

And we should learn. And then if we do that, we can pick intelligently between the claims. And there's nothing more important. than the restoration of civic education in America, which means human education, finally. So if we do that, because if Thomas Jefferson is right, and Aristotle is right for that matter,

then they have the truth on their side. And that means those arguments will prevail better if they are made because they have the advantage of being actual soul. So there's the future. That's what we have to do. Whether we can do it successfully or not, we all think things on earth ultimately pass away. Roman Empire passed away. 800 years, a long time.

Everything on earth Christians think will pass away. But what do you do while it goes? The answer is what I just said. Understand the laws of nature and nature's God. God. There's the salvation for our political system. Amen, Dr. Arne. I think we want America to last as long as possible because it's been a great country. And I think the only way we can possibly do it is we have to make people love this country. And the best way to love it is to love what created it. And I think that's where civic education comes in. You're exactly right.

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Just go to whyrefi.com. That's the letter why then refi.com. And remember, why refi doesn't care what your credit score is. Just go to why refi.com and tell them your friend Andrews sent you. All right, Dr. Arne, this is the final segment of the final show before we welcome in 250. I mean, we've got the Founders Key. We've got Hillsdale. We've got Turning Point. There's so much we could talk about in this segment. But what do you think is the most important thing that we leave our audience with before they go into the weekend in the 250 celebration?

Well, they need to have a good day tomorrow. Now, as you remember, by the way, at the time that we're talking, 250 years ago, the signing of the Declaration of Independence had already started. They didn't sign it all along the fourth. They would go in, I think, from the second to the fifth, this while they signed it. So we're busy reenacting their signing ceremony today. Yeah, you should have a good day tomorrow. And I would suggest that you read, we're having a big picnic at Hillsdale College for the whole community. We'll have hundreds of people here.

We're giving them all hot dogs and hamburgers, which were, as you know, invented by the founding fathers as the national food. And they were not vegan. So it wasn't pizza? It wasn't pizza, no. That came later. But that was an important benefit of the immigration to America. There have been many benefits of immigration to America, too.

So we're going to have the patriotic readings, we call them. And I've been reading them every declaration, every July 4th, since graduate school. And they should read the Declaration. Should read it out loud. Then they should read the first two pages of Abraham Lincoln's July the 10th, 1858 speech in Chicago with the electric cord in it.

And they should remember then that our country was sounded by iron men and that they established principles principles that makes us blood of the flood and flesh of the flesh with those fathers, although we are not related to them, except some of us. They can think about that. And then that, I urge them, they should embark upon a study of the proper arrangement of government. Because that and the, you know, things have causes, right? And classic, philosophy therefore things are made out of stuff the cup is made out of glass somebody made them whoever made this cup it has a form well it has a final cause the final

cause is to drink from it that's the final cause of the cup the final cause of the country is the protection of the inalienable rights of all of its people and the cup has a form. The form is it's shaped like something to pick up like that. If it's too hot, you can just have got the handle that keeps it, you know, and then you drink from it. The form of the United States of America is provided by the Constitution of the United States. And you can't identify America unless you identify those things. And then people should embark on learning what they mean. Why are they the way they are? What is the argument for them? What? Because we meet the argument against them every day, right? You can't watch the news.

One of the reasons people watch this show, thank God many do, is because they're not getting that standard stuff, right? And so you should put together in your mind. Forget about what anybody claims about it today. You want to understand the Constitution, the United States, read the Declaration of Independence, read the Constitution, and then read the Federalist We have an online course on those too. Those were written by three guys who helped, you know, and they helped make the Constitution. And they wrote those, by the way.

The Federalist Papers is 85 newspaper articles, published in New York in 1787, 88, Hamilton and Madison, key to the writing of the Constitution. And John Jay, first Justice Supreme Court, Chief Justice Supreme Court, those papers and they're written as newspaper articles to tell people how to vote and you will see that they are beautiful and that means that they were addressing a population that could read and think and we need to get back to that right now and you know you guys are hoping to do that

Charlie our friend he called me up one day and said I'm going to publish a book telling people not to go to college. And I said, you know, he knows what line of work I'm in. And I said, okay. He said, I'm going to exempt Hillsdale College. Oh, there you go. And I said, okay, you don't have to do that. He said, I have to do that.

That's the one that you go to. So the point is, Charlie, why did he call me? Right. It's, it's, I love that boy. Why did I love him? He loved to learn. He wanted so hard to get it right. I was just on a board call with the Claremont Institute,

where I used to work and I'm on the board now. And we were talking about one of our programs and what kind of people, this is within the last two hours, what kind of people should come to the program? And one guy said, yeah, people who are gonna get PhDs and college professors. Everybody said, yeah, that's really fine. And then Charles Kessler, who's the editor of the Claremont Review, said, well, one of the best students we ever had was Charlie Kirk.

And he does not even have a college degree. And that boy learned like a sponge. Isn't it? I remember when he, and Charlie, I'm the one who recommended him. I said, yeah, go do that thing, right? And I wrote him a letter for Charlie. Dr. Arn. And, yeah.

God bless you for that. Dr. Arn, we have to wrap it. This was amazing. Okay. We are like sponges when you teach us. and we are so grateful for your time, Dr. Arn. God bless you and happy 250th. Bless you.

Thank you, you guys. Andrew and Blake. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.