The Charlie Kirk Show - Charlie's Man for Arizona + Take the Whitepill

Episode Date: July 21, 2026

Charlie was a huge believer in Andy Biggs as the man who can save Arizona from the Democrats. Today, Tyler joins for Arizona primary day to drive turnout and explain why the entire county should be looking to results in the Grand Canyon State. Plus, when the left tells you who it looks up to, believe them. Xi Van Fleet talks about Hasan Piker's open admiration of Chinese dictator Mao Zedong. Scott Greer delivers a "whitepill" about how online conservatives brought new, better ideas to the GOP. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com!    Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We have Andy Biggs, go Biggs or go home, two Biggs to rig primary day. Tyler Boyer, help us make sense of this. What first of all are the marching orders? If you're within earshot, if you're in Arizona, what are the marching orders and we'll go from there? Well, we've got to win by historic numbers today. And it's really important, you know, I want to just point out a lot of people have said primaries aren't everything. they don't tell you exactly what's going to happen in a general. However, I will point out it is better to win as big as big as possible,

get as many votes out as possible in your primary because voting is habitual. So it's a habit when you get more of your low propensity voters out to vote for our primary. That's a big point. They're more likely to show up in a general election. And so our team has been as serious as we can be in this. and obviously promoting Andy Biggs from day one. We just saw the videos of Charlie promoting Andy back in May of 2025, just months before he was assassinated.

We did one of the largest rallies, primary rallies, that was in this country, this election cycle. And Andy is on pace today to win by maybe bigger margins than any Republican has in the last 40 years in a primary. election. Charlie was super gung-ho about Andy Biggs. This is a very, would passion project be the right term for this? This is the race we really want to win for him.

I mean, look, here's the way that we look at it. And I just, again, just a recap for everyone that's just tuning in maybe for the first time getting involved with elections for the first time. The left has become really good at consolidating its base and turning out. base voters and convincing low propensity base voters to turn out to make up for independent votes. This is the Barack Obama way. This is how Barack Obama became president effectively. The right has been really bad at this. And so what we oftentimes will do is we'll nominate kind of a milk toast candidate that nobody's really excited for and lose an election. That's

basically what happened in the Romney era, how Romney lost and how Trump won is because Trump was much more in line with the Obama-style politics, getting your base together, consolidating your base, and then getting more people to turn out that are low propensity than the independence, maybe voting against you. Well, and so this is the big question this primary season and then into the midterms is without President Trump on the ballot, can we get these people that seem to only show up when Trump's running?

Can we get them out? And that's why what we're doing at turning point action is so critical. especially in the state of Arizona, New Hampshire, Nevada. Tyler, give us an update. I saw you were posting about this. Where are we at? Because this audience knows that we have been building a machine to get out the vote, chase the vote.

Where are we at compared to 2024? Yeah, I mean, so you just brought up something that's really important. When Trump's on the ballot, we generally do worse, you know, statistically worse, many points worse, because low propensity voters, again, that I just brought up. aren't as moved because when name ID is low on a candidate, it's bad. When people don't understand what's at stake, it's bad. Presidential elections obviously turn out a lot more voters.

So when you have a midterm election, you have to work extra hard to get those voters out, which means that you have to have a better ground game. You have to have field offices on the ground. You have to have people activated. It's ideal to have candidates on the ballot that when you can't have Trump, you've got to have somebody that at least people know. And so this is why it's really important in every state's a little bit different, but, you know, we're really bullish on the red wall strategy that we're talking about. Arizona, Nevada, New Hampshire could undo the Democrats stranglehold on the blue wall, which is Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania.

You could win, you know, potentially in 2028 by winning the R3 red wall states without winning any of the blue wall states, which is terrifying to the Democrats. But again, this is why this election cycle has been so important in 2026. You have to lay the foundation. So you have to have candidates running that people know. And the strategy is different everywhere. So New Hampshire, we just brought up New Hampshire, John Sununu is running. John Sanunu is a name. The Sanunu name is a name, right?

It's a little bit more moderate of a name, but that's a little bit more amenable for. And I love the way you say it. So some people in this audience might go, Sununu is too moderate. for turning point. And your motto, and this is something I remember you preaching to Charlie and Charlie repeating and all this stuff, we get the most conservative candidate that we can to win. With the best chance of winning. Exactly. And that people know, again, because again, this name ID idea without Trump on the ballot is really important that you're bringing in. Right. You want to have the best possible name, the person that people know the best that are willing to show up for the best,

are able to tell their neighbors and friends about that person the best. And in New Hampshire, that's John Sununu right now. In Arizona, that's Andy Biggs. Andy Biggs, the former chairman of the Freedom Caucus, the former Senate president, has been around, has been one of the best congressmen that this country has had for the last decade, is by wide margin the best known. He out numbers in name ID, the current governor of Arizona, Katie Hopps. So you have a great opportunity when people know that person to be able to go out and share the gospel of, hey, this is, you got to get out and vote for this person. Like, oh, yeah, I kind of know that guy.

You're going to turn out more low propensity voters that way. So as you said, we do have lower turnout in midterm years. We have all these ballot chases. They're out. They're engaging with those lower propensity voters. What, do they get reasons for why these people are not voting? Do they just say, I only really feel like voting if it's a presidential year? Are they not even really aware the elections going on?

What's the story that they encounter? Yeah, so most people assume that people are just lazy or they have some reason not to vote. It actually turns out that that's not the case in most circumstances. Most people just forget to vote or they don't think voting is important or they think that you really only vote every four years. So a low propensity voter sometimes is a less educated voter. they just don't even realize what's going on. People are busy. They have lives. They have jobs. They have families.

Most of the people that we communicate with are like, oh, yeah, I'll totally vote. They just forgot. They just don't know. I think about- This is why voting's habitual. I think about those people we ran into in 24 where they thought they'd voted for Trump because they voted in a primary because they'd signed a petition. I think in some cases even because they'd signed up for a rally, they thought they'd voted, correct?

People think sometimes that just engaging, watching, watching Fox News or listening to the Charlie Kirk show. Taking a poll online. We have had numerous people this election cycle that we're knocking into that we're talking to that are huge fans of the Charlie Kirk show, Charlie, Turning Point, that have not voted in the last three midterm elections. Yeah, I'll never forget that story about the house with the Trump shrine, like in his garage that wasn't voting. And this happens all the time. But this is why I say to everyone, primary elections are important because the more that you can engage people, educate them, become a habit with voting, then the more likely they are to vote and turn out in the general election. All right, I want to go through a list of all of the turning point action endorsements in the state of Arizona.

This is, so we've got, throw up that first graphic, and you can see the list here. So you got Andy Biggs, obviously, for governor. And you've got, just you go through the list. Yeah, so Alex Colleton has been in the state legislature. He is one of the most preeminent election integrity lawyers in America. Fantastic. He's had some of the biggest wins. In fact, he is the bill drafter that got pushed to the public that's going to be on the ballot this fall to make Arizona elections almost identical in many ways to Florida. Florida. Great. And that's for Secretary of State. And he's right for his election officer. Chief election. And our lieutenant governor, effectively.

as well. So no. So this year actually will be the first year that Arizona will have a lieutenant governor. Oh, all right. So that's a new law that just got passed. So Andy Biggs will effectively pick a runny mate here in the coming weeks. Okay. Kimberly Yee. Kimberly Yee is the current treasurer. She's fantastic. She'll remember a lot of people talked about her because she was the top vote getter in 2022. A lot of reasons why people believe there was funny business going on in Arizona because Kimberly, Kimberly Ye won a ton of precincts that Carrie Lake lost. paper. We later found out that this was a lot of election manipulation. Obviously, they were not targeting Kimberly the same way that they were targeting Carrie. But Kimberly is fantastic. She was in the Senate Education Committee under Andy Biggs while he was Senate president. And we believe

that she will be the best defender of ESAs or the voucher program. Again, remember, school choice is the biggest in Arizona. It's the number one program in the country. A lot of states, a lot of red states want to replicate it. But what we cannot have happen is the Democrats come in and get rid of the whole thing. And so she will be a big difference. She's running for superintendent of public instruction. That's right. She's bar none, not even close, way better than the competition.

Dr. Ralph Heap for Corporation Commissioners. So Dr. Ralph Heap, again, if you recall Justin Heap, we got elected, who is the Freedom Caucus member that took over for Stephen Richer as chief elections officer of Maricopa County. this is his dad. His dad has been serving the legislature. Great man. He's a surgeon. That's where the doctor comes from.

So he's very smart. What would he do in this role? He has been serving the legislature and specifically has taken focus on water and our electric bills. So the Corporation Commission is directly responsible for overseeing Arizona Public Service, APS, which runs one of the largest electric companies in the country. country. And so this is to keep rates low and to hold that in a much more conservative position. And he's great. So we definitely recommend voting for Dr. Ralph Heat there. And then you got Elijah Norton state treasurer. So taking over for Kimberly Yew. Yeah, Elijah Norton, young guy,

ran actually against David Schweiker and did pretty well last time for Congress. He was the, since then, the, the treasure for the Arizona Republican Party has done a tremendous job. supporter of Turning Point for many years, grew one of the largest insurance companies in his own business, multi, multi, multi, multi million dollar company. And we think he's going to do a tremendous job. And then there are obviously, there's some names that people are probably like, why aren't they on there? But they are, Turning Point Action, Arizona federal endorsements. We've got Eli Crane, Paul Gosar, Abe Hamaday, Dr. Zudy Jasser, Mark Lamb, and Juan Siscomani. So those round out, You can throw that graphic up there if people want to see it,

but that rounds out sort of the list of names people are probably expecting to see. Yeah, so Sheriff Mark Lamb, great friend to the organization for many years, actually did the big border documentary that we did with Charlie a few years back, border battle here. Those that remember it follow Turning Points content. Huge. He's obviously been sheriff fighting the left longer than just about anybody in the state since the left has tried to hijack Arizona and get rid of all the border fence and things like that.

We have Juan Siscomani that's in the fight of his life right now and CD6. So this is one of the key target districts in America. Arizona has two of them, CD1 and CD6. So CD1 is Jay Feely, Joe Chaplick, both friends of the organization. We're going to see how that turns out tonight. But Juan Siscomani is needing all the support he possibly can get, not just to help Arizona, but to save Congress. Keep the house.

Yeah. We're like, that's a huge race. With all of the adjustments different states have made, we're one of the only states that has swing districts anymore. So Arizona has the highest per capita number of swing districts population-wise, right there with Iowa. So Iowa and Arizona both have gubernatorial races and Andy Biggs and Zach Lane.

And then we both have two at-risk congressional districts. Yeah. So polls close. It's seven. in Arizona tonight. So even if you're listening to this or watching this broadcast and you're like, I don't live in Arizona, but my cousin does, call your cousin. Get everybody out to the polls. As Tyler is saying, this is a muscle that needs to be exercised when there are elections to be had. You cannot sit this out. Get out and vote today. What's the website they can go to to find their

polling location, things like that? Yeah. So you can go to tpaction.com slash a Z early, which has all of the, should redirect to our election day website for Arizona. Yeah, which is vote Arizona slash vote Arizona. TPaction.com, we did update it. TPaction.com slash vote Arizona. Or is it vote a Z? Vote Arizona. Vote Arizona.

Tpaction.com slash vote Arizona for all of the polling places. If you follow the turning point action, social media, we are directing people all. day long. If you live in Arizona, again, we're sending text messages out to basically everyone in the state. We have been for the last two weeks just to remind everybody you got to get out to vote right away today. And Bigs, Bigs, Bigs, Bigs, Bigs. Andy has the potential to actually do something historic today. He could be one of the largest, most winningness primary victories in Arizona for the last 40 years. Which would send a huge message. And we have actually we're going to be broadcasting tonight.

We're starting around 7, 730 local. That's right. So kind of late on the East Coast, but that's when the results are going to start coming in. There's an election watch party if you're in Arizona. And this matters for the whole country. The way that Arizona goes, the whole country goes for this next election. We need to keep Arizona. Actually, we need to fortify Arizona.

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Givand Fleet, so great to have you back on the show. I can't believe that we have to cover this ground again, G, but here we are. I can believe it. Here we are. So I'm going to play the clip of what inspired having you on here. and this is Hassan Piker,

who's very influential in far-left politics. He endorses a lot of candidates, speaks to college Democrats, all the things. We should emphasize this point. This is the probably, should we say the Charlie Kirk of liberals who are under? No, he doesn't deserve that. But yes, he's very influential and he's very active.

Sot 7. I got stopped by a cop who thought I was like making fun of Mao Zedong, which I never would and never will. Mousley Dong is one of the great leaders of this world, a man who changed the entire universe,

the entire planet. What do you think when you hear a clip like that? Well, first of all I have to say that I remember the first time that Charlie Kirk interviewed me. It was just so special. I just feel so sad to come to his show

without him, but thank you for carrying on. We must have. Yes. Yes, I heard that, I watched that, and I've been watching him. And he is absolutely a communist without understanding what communist is really about. He has no understanding of Mao. He has no understanding and no knowledge of what Mao has done. The great leader, so-called great leader. And I lived through, I spent the first 26 years under Mao. And I guess you want to know my story. Yes. Yeah. I mean, so you lived through this. You survived this quote unquote great leader who transformed the universe and the planet. How did he transform China, Xi? What did he do that made him such a great leader? I'm curious.

I know. I know. Exactly. I was born in 1959. And that was the year that began the first three, the three-year famine. the great famine that killed up to 50 million Chinese peasants, those peasants who want free stuff. Yes. And when I was seven, that was the beginning of the cultural revolution. In the process, it lasted for 10 years, and in the process, up to 20 million people lost their lives. And I saw a part of it. And I, as a little schoolgirl, I lost two years of my education because school was closed and I saw the red guards destroy everything, the heritage of our civilization.

And then when I graduated from high school, there's nothing for young people like me. So we're all sent to the countryside to work in the fields to get the so-called re-education from the peasants. It is the best way to describe it as school law. I spent three years there. Also I experienced starvation and a lot. and scarcity. Everything is rationed, even toothpaste.

But what Piper doesn't know is that Mao killed more communists than any communist leaders. He had no idea. And the whole cultural revolution is CCP's version of inquisation. He targeted the entire party of his own party and to take them down. And even the leader, even the father of the current great leader, Xi Jinping, his father was perched. His family was persecuted.

His half-sister committed suicide because she could not deal with this persecution. He had no idea. And Mao killed more Chinese communists than anyone in the world. You say he doesn't know. Maybe he, maybe he would disagree or not know on killing communist. But I think a lot of the appeal of a figure like Mao to someone like Hassan Piker is the body count. They actually do. They totally lean into that these figures were authoritarian, that they killed huge numbers of people.

The reason we're talking about this is not just that was a stream where he was talking about he won't criticize Mao. But Hassan, he just spoke to a dinner of college Democrats. and he made a very conscious fashion choice you won't usually see in the United States. Let's play clip number eight. No more to Trumpism, but no more to the Democrats who compromise, who conciliate, and who betray us. No more to the fascist reactionaries, but no more to the Democrats who will collaborate and cooperate with the fascists, who will fund ICE, who will fund Israel, who will help poison the planet, who will stiff workers and help bosses.

We don't need those Democrats anymore. So there, while he's talking, no compromise with any moderate Democrats. They're as bad as the fascist, as he calls them, because they'll support Israel, because they'll fund ICE, they'll allow people to be deported. They're all the enemy. And while he's saying that, if you couldn't see it,

he's wearing the Sun Yat Sen suit, the outfit that Mao wears in every image of him. and that they still wear in communist china today. I think he's well aware of what he's advocating. And this is something he doesn't know. Yes, but he doesn't know that he will be the first one to go. Why? Because he's so damn opinionated and he's rich.

He will be the first one to go. And that's something that he doesn't know. And of course they don't know. Of course his followers don't know because our educational system has been taken over by Marxists. They know everything about Hitler, about fascism. They don't know that communism and fascism and Nazism is the same thing. And also, socialism, communism, no difference. Just a matter of stage.

And we were told when I grew up that the socialism is this initial stage of communists. You know, I find it interesting, though, that same through line that you saw, said Mao killed a bunch of communists. And you're saying he'd be the first one to go. I totally get it. But you see that same spirit being animated in him, this animal passion for wanting to first tear down anybody in the ranks that don't pass his purity test. And I have to believe that that was the same spirit animating Mao's brutal carnage within his own communist ranks. That if you do not meet my purity test, you're gone.

or if you become a problem to me, you're gone. And this is why I said, I said on social media last night, that Hassan Piker, if given the power, or anybody like him, wants us dead. They would get rid of us in a second because we would stand up to them trying to seize the means of production. Am I missing this? It's power. It's all about power. Exactly.

And that's what Xi Jinping has been saying. If your loyalty to the party is not absolute, you are absolutely disloyal to the party. Purity and absolute loyalty, that's what they demand. But the thing that Xi Jinping is scared. Xi Jinping, even though he has all the power, he suspect everyone around him to be disloyal. He live in such fear. And that is the core of communism. It is about power, and it's about everyone will be.

a victim. Even the highest leader will be a victim. Yes. I mean, I think it's important for us to emphasize because you can say, why are you guys highlighting a streamer where he says a nice thing about Mao? Is this a big deal? And we really need to drive this home. There are a ton of people who are, this guy is getting magazine profiles everywhere on the left. He is a huge voice. He's a huge voice for young leftists. He's clearly representing the wave. of the future for this party and what they are embracing is you can call it

Maoism, you can call it communism, you can call it third worldism, but it's a much more culturally arsonist way of viewing the entire West that they want to, they're gloating that they're going to tear everything down. They're gloating about who they'll put in their place. Listen to

his list of endorsements. Adam Homoie in New Jersey 12. Abdul El-Sayed who's running for U.S. Senate in Michigan. That's the man who had condolences about the Ayatollah's death, but he's attacked his opponent for voting on a resolution to honor Charlie. Yep. Claire Valdez and Chevalier, New York House races, DSA backed. These are people that have openly supported the destruction of the West, the destruction of America. So Tom Steyer, Nithia Rahman in California, the

far-left candidates. So this is not some history lesson that doesn't relate to our current moment. No, it relates very well because these terrible ideas are being recycled in our current moment. Hi, folks, Andrew Colvette here. I'd like to tell you about my friends over at Y Reefi. You've probably been hearing me talk about Y Refi for some time now. We are all in with these guys. If you or someone you know is struggling with private student loan debt, take my advice and give them a call. Maybe you're behind on your payments. Maybe you're even in default. You don't have to live in this nightmare anymore. Why Refi will provide you a custom payment based on your ability to pay. They tailor each loan individually. They can save you thousands of dollars and you can get your life

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It's Made in America, Xi Van Fleet, the hidden history of how the U.S. enabled communist China and created our greatest threat. So you are a prolific author as well. as many things, you're doing such a good job of telling this story so that we are not doomed to repeat the history of communist China and so many other authoritarian regimes. I got to get through this point, though, because this is what we're seeing play out. Charlie used to always say what happens on campus doesn't stay on campus. It bleeds into corporate boardrooms in the halls of Congress, and we're seeing that right now. And I want to talk about this long march through the institutions that communists have been engaging upon in this country. SOT 23, this is a lot of congressional hearing that's happened this morning, and we're seeing this play out right now. It's not 23. Dr. Blight, when people see the warning signs that you mentioned, why is it important that they speak up and take action?

Well, it's important because if the people don't stand up, they lose these institutions. And as you just suggest, that the black world came to America for the World Cup. I wonder if people notice that the world is black and brown and the teams for the from European countries were black and brown. So they're talking about the, basically the museums, the institutions, and how they're fighting back against what they call President Trump's propaganda within the Smithsonian.

And they're noticing that it's the authoritarian tendencies of President Trump. What is the actual truth here, Givainfleet, about what has happened to America's cultural institutions, educational institutions over the last four to five decades. It's the long-marchs institution is the Marxist takeover of this country, one institution at a time. And they started with the higher education. They started with university.

And when they control university, they control this country because they have been producing generations of Marxists. Where are they now? They are being controlled of our institutions, especially the Smithsonian Institution. They control all the museums and historical sites. And lately for America's 250th anniversary, I visited many historical sites, especially Montchella. You go there, if you don't know anything about Jefferson, you walk away with this idea that what an awful man he is.

And he is a slaveowner, and that's pretty much all you get. Yeah, no exactly. Jasmine Crockett had to weigh in here, Jevan Fleet. She's sounding the same note. SOT 24. So Dr. Blight, if Republicans are going to ban books, penalized schools, and universities, attack museums. If states continue to change curriculum, where do Americans go to learn about the complicated, sometimes racist, and violent parts of American history? Thank you for the question. I think they will have to keep going to the same institutions, and we have to be. keep fighting to preserve what we are doing in those institutions. They have to keep going to public schools. They have to keep going to the public libraries. They have to keep going to the great Smithsonian.

Americans have to keep going to those places they trust. We have to keep those institutions trustworthy. Okay. So they're only trustworthy, G, to your point, if they talk about our racist, quote, racist and violent past, and they're accusing us of banning books, penalizing schools and universities. Why is it that they feel so entitled to these things?

And why is it so important to them that they capture them? Yeah, because if you control the institution, you really control the narrative and you control how people learn of our past. This is absolutely rewriting of the past. That's the exact amount of when I grew up no idea what China looked like before the CCP. And they used this term, the old society,

and describe it as something just so hellish, that I should feel so grateful that now I live under CCP because this is what they call new society. And then what they do the same thing, America's past is slavery. And that's slavery, never die. We never had a civil war.

We never had a civil rights movement. The slavery is still today. It's still here. And that's what enslaved so many people. people's mind, they feel like they are still slaves. That is absolutely the purpose to control their mind. That's such a good point. They have to castigate and shame and demoralize us as a civilization. And a country that has, I would argue, the proudest history of any modern country in the world, maybe throughout all of human history. And that's what makes the challenge so difficult for them.

but they're succeeding in these crazy ways that you would have never imagined. And the fruit of it is Asan Piker. The fruit of it is Chevalier. The fruit of it is Nithia Raman. The rise of DSA, what is your warning to the country as you see these DSA candidates actually gain political power? G, what is your warning? And I have one thing I will really add. This is something very important.

In the past, we really talk a lot about cultural Marxism. like the long Marxist, institutions, because they failed to implement the economic Marxism, because the working class do not buy their bullshit. The working class actually get richer, they become middle class. But recently, they have been bringing up this class struggle. They have been bringing up this economic Marxism as well. I think it's because the Democratic Party, the left,

have successfully created American proletarian through the government, through the welfare policy, they have generations of people who depend on the government, who never get ahead because that's the plan. You never get ahead. Now we imported tens of millions of illegals. Now they join the group of court proletariat. That's why now they are doing both cultural Marxism and economic Marxism. And I think that's something we should really really well.

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We have a special guest in studio with us today, and that is Column Plume, CEO of Noble Gold Investments, noble goldinvestments.com. Colin, welcome back, man. Good to be here. Love it. Excited. We need economic touchpoints from time to time because there's just so many moving parts in an economy this large, but also geopolitically. There's the energy prices.

I mean, there's a lot that's going on that's influencing a very dynamic and volatile economy, actually, in many ways. And so you're here today. I have to start, though, because you are the gold guy, you're the silver guy. You're actually probably more famous as the silver guy, but you do probably maybe even more in gold. I don't know what it is. They do have gold in the name. Yeah, no, but gold investment.

So I guess people assume, but you also wrote a book about silver. So you're good at both. Put it that way. So gold is down. It's on sale. Silver is down. Yes. Yeah, correct.

First of all, yeah, I totally agree, actually, because there was a, okay, so two-part question. What caused the run-up? Yeah. And what's driving this current price dip? Yeah, I think first was inflation. You know, people saw inflation hit numbers. They never seen before. You saw massive demand, central bank buying demand, which is still continued.

But we're seeing, I mean, this demand from central banks has gone for six years in a row. They've bought about 1,000 tons of gold per year. To give you an idea, for five years before that, Central Banks bought between 250 and 300 tons. So they tripled in the last six years of buying. And really, per year. And a lot of it has to do with them getting away from the dollar. Also, it's become an alternative currency for countries with sanctions, right? We've seen it happen with Russia.

We're seeing it with Iran. So that is the angle around some of the sanctions is to trade oil for gold. So you saw that dynamic happen. So you saw this massive run-up for gold where it was $5,300 an ounce, silver was $120 an ounce, and then you saw a massive pullback in February and March. And you saw the most selling of paper gold than we've ever seen in the market. GLD, SLD, the paper forms, the most selling. How does that work, by the way?

So you get a paper certificate and the gold is stored in some vault somewhere? Well, that's what's supposed to happen. What's been happening is last year people actually wanted delivery. And that was another reason the price went up is because if, and there's tons of articles about this, but basically people decided, you know what? I don't want the contract. I want physical. They went to the London Exchange and went to Comax. They wanted and they couldn't deliver.

And that created more hysteria and excitement because they basically said it's going to be two months. Well, people thought their their gold was backed ounce for ounce, right? Like one contract per, but it's never been. It's always been that way. It's always been the suppression of the gold price. So there was this run up until January. And then you saw in March, April, May, just a massive paper selling, GLD, SLV. People got out of positions, hedge fund managers, people that were in positions they wanted to get out of.

You just saw this massive liquidation. Now, the interesting thing is, on the physical side, you didn't see it. We didn't see it. The industry didn't see massive amounts of selling. It was really just the paper selling, which does, does, affect the price. So you had the price go back down. So now gold's below 4,000 and you have silver below 60. Obviously, silver's having a great day to day. It's up over $2 today. Gold's up pretty massive today too. But it's sort of what happens in the gold market is you have these massive runoffs based on

news. And then there was this leveling off. And then I think the last thing that maybe have heard the gold price, but I don't think it's true is this idea that Kevin Warsh maybe is going to be hawkish. I think a lot of people have been talking about that, that he's going to raise interest rates potentially or he's not going to expand the money supply. I think he is going to expand the money supply. But if he expands the money supply, what happens to... That would be very positive for gold.

I think he's coming into this job. This is a massive job. And right now with the CPI going up, what are his levers? What can he do? If he, everyone says he's going to raise interest rates, If he raises interest rates, it costs our government more money to borrow. That's not good for us either.

It also affects the real estate market, commercial real estate, residential. Everything would really be hindered by higher rates. That's not what we need right now in the economy. So what are the other levers that he can do? And so in my opinion, I've been saying it for a while, as I think he'll do some type of quantitative easing to open up the money supply to get the markets moving, which is what we did in 2009. Similar idea, right?

We had a credit crisis. How do you get more money? in the markets, how do you stimulate without moving interest rates? So that's one lever. So the gold market sees increased money supply and they say, you know, more supply on the market. That means the value of the average dollar is going down. So therefore the price of gold will go up. Yeah, correct. And so that's the real question is what's going to happen over the next few weeks. So I think you've had all these things happening that have pushed the price of gold down. But we're seeing a lot of normalcy in the trading range now where you're seeing buyers in the 3,900, that that's becoming kind of the normal. Obviously,

there's always the risk you go down to 36, 3,700, but you know, you see institutions, like Bank of America came out earlier. They were predicting, they've had analysts saying $300 silver in January, and now we're at 58. So I think there's, I think we're in more of a normal range now. We went to like extremes. I think it leveled off. And now we'll see what takes. Why, maybe this is a basic question. Why do gold and silver seem to perform? They are. aligned but they do perform differently. Yeah. Even though they're both primarily investment metals to my understanding.

So what why would silver go up to 300, which would be tripling its price while gold is not usually. Silver is used in a lot of technology. It is. So it's gold. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think there's first of all, silver you have to think about is all the potential with war. I mean, the reason our government last year, the US government and the Chinese government

made silver a strategic metal is because with these. expanding areas of war that we're going to, they use silver in tomahawk missiles and a lot of technology, drones, all this. So as these things continue to grow, the U.S. government needs it. The Chinese government needs it. So when they make a strategic metal, they're saying, like, we're going to limit the amount that we're going to get rid of. We're going to keep as much as we can. And we've, you know, the government has has borrowed and seized silver over history. In 1942, we were running out of copper during World War II, as you know, they borrowed 14,000 ounces from the U.S. Treasury for silver for military-type uses. So I think that production is going to continue to go.

But to answer your question, I think when you have six years of central bank buying of gold, silver did lag. Silver did eventually lag. But what eventually would happen is that once we realize that there's so many strategic uses that we needed for silver, then you saw the price start to go back up. There's always that 100 to 1, 80 to 1, 71 gold-the-silver ratio that we've talked about a lot. And it's, you know, we're in a different range than we've been. But I think that silver typically lags behind gold. Okay. So we got 45 seconds here. Predictions for interest rates in the next six months, predictions for the price of gold, those two.

Yeah. I actually don't think he's going to have any way to do anything with interest rates, in my opinion. I don't think he's going to raise. I think that would really crush a lot of the markets, and it would make our borrowing more expensive. I think gold this year, I would say probably close to $4,800, $4,900 for gold, and I would say silver probably breaks,

I would say probably close to $70 this year. I think there's going to be a big run. The current price of silver is $59.13. Yeah, so I think a 70 silver is a realistic range. The buying seems to be pretty. And we're seeing a lot of people that sold at $120, silver and 5,500 gold are coming back in. So I think you're going to see a lot of people buy the did. They took their profits. Now they're going to reinvest it. Yeah. I love that. Blake, what he got

there in your hand? This is, is that a World Cup trophy? Not quite. It is one kilogram zoom in on gold. So it's very heavy. It feels heavier than it to us. He brings this, he brings this, this bullion, but he doesn't let us keep it. It's very frustrating. Yeah. You know, but it is beautiful. I will tell you. It is. It like. It. Like when you actually see it and hold it up close, it's like a, you understand why the ancients all gravitated. Gravitated and gold. Like, Achille is not a lot. That's like one of the weights that Obama's, you know, lifting in the funny video of him.

But it feels a lot heavier when it's that. So there's five times as much of this in that World Cup trophy. So how much is the World Cup trophy worth? And they say gold value has soared, although it is down in the last six months. It's up year over year. Yeah. So compared to the first World Cup, the first World Cup, or not the first World Cup, the last World Cup, the trophy was worth like, I don't know, 200,000 or 250,000. And now the trophy's worth like $700,000.

It's almost a million dollars being held up in the hands right there, which is, yeah, and Trump was holding it. You know, he loves that. Yeah, Trump put, yeah, he was, he's going to walk away with that. Yeah. So do they get to keep it? They do not get to keep it. It is actually fascinating. You think all the money made.

They said it was the most profitable sporting event. $15 billion injected in the American economy. Like what's $780,000 to the winning country? It feels like they should get it. But no, FIFA gets it back. And then they get a replica. That's obscene. So replica is it at least also made of gold?

No. No, no. They get like one of my U.S. Like soccer trophies that's made of gold tinge plastic. That's all it is. All right. So that's a fascinating bit of trivia there. But so the,

did you have? Well, I was going to ask about it. So we were talking about people are increasingly getting delivery of gold of silver. They're wanting to physically claim it. Yeah. Someone I know, I was telling you about they were investing in gold.

And then they discovered they were talking to a friend who was a jeweler. Not with us. Not with you. Yes. Not with you. Yes. Let's clear this up. They were looking at it.

And this was gold that was in the case, like one of those Perth mint ounces. And our jeweler friend looks at it and says, that's fake. And they tested it. And it turned out it was plated tungsten. So what do people need to look out for? What are the traps people can follow? Yeah. No, I mean, I think it's you got to go, you got to read the reviews of the dealer.

You know, you got to make sure that they've been around for a long time. You got to make sure that I think that's interesting that I'm finding out of the last two years with dealers going out of business. If a dealer says they won't buy it. back probably this is a this is probably red flag because yeah that finish your thought yeah yeah so my so a they've been around for a while uh b if the price is too good to be true it probably is that's i mean sometimes on ebay you hear these like oh i bought it 300 dollars below the spot price like well it's probably fake and you know and you said make sure they're willing to buy it back make sure they're willing to buy it yeah if they won't buy it back that's

probably an indication and i take it you're willing to buy it we buy everything back well let's say this is informal, like it's a friend who has, you know, maybe they inherited it or something and they're willing to sell it off. What should, what should a person like that do to make sure they don't accidentally? Yeah, I think the key accidentally sell it for the wrong price or, no, or accidentally buy a fake. Like maybe the person doesn't know it's fake themselves. Yeah, yeah. I think the key, if you buy it from a coin or a poncha, they can test it right there. Okay. So that you could get it tested and you should before you take it out of it. That would be the first thing. You know, obviously a dealer like us, shipping millions and millions of dollars and we get everything tested. I mentioned we do buy back

from time to time from other people that aren't our clients and we do get fakes in and fortunately we have to call them and tell them that they're fake but they know, you know, they're trying to sell us fakes. Man, I hadn't even thought about this. Yeah, it's a part of the business. You have to be aware of it. But you, you were mentioned in the break that one of like the big brand names in the space, Rosalind Capital. Rosalind Capital went out of business? Went out of business. Yeah. What happened? Yeah. Listen, it's a hundred million dollar bankruptcy. And you can go online and read about it. And it's terrible what's happened because the biggest creditors on the bankruptcy are clients, unfortunately.

And there are people that this person just didn't deliver. He never delivered on. And it happens a lot because what happens in a rising market is that you see a company try to play the market. And they're floating. There's a lot of floating. And so sometimes I talk to people and they're like, oh, they haven't delivered it. 60 days or they have there there there's no reason that you should take 60 days i mean we're shipping the same week sometimes i can ship the next day um there's no reason it should take that long i

would be concerned if anybody's telling you or if you're about to do a trade and they're like it's going to take six weeks or eight weeks they're they're doing they're holding your money and they're playing the market and they're trying to time the market to trying to play catch up catch up and that's yeah yeah and listen i don't know the whole story with that come company, but yeah, they were in business since 2008. They were all over Fox News, William Devane. Fox News is actually one of the creditors. They're in for like 2 million owed, like on, you know, TV commercials.

Probably, yeah. There's a bunch of other advertising companies. But yeah, it's, well, this is why we work with you because, you know, when we started, you know, the show, it was like so many shysters. Like, like, people don't realize, like, when we launched the Charlie Kirk show, there was all these, like, like people that were like, oh, we want to partner with you. We want to partner with you.

And we had to like filter through like a ton of noise. And, you know, that's when we found you and we're so grateful. So you've been with us like basically since the very beginning. And, um, super grateful.

So if you want to check out what Colin does, noble gold investments.com slash Kirk. Noble gold investments. Dot com slash Kirk. I just want to get that in. Shameless plug because all that we're talking about just fake gold perth one ounces and like, bankrupt like this Colin does business the right way so I I did I did want to bring up this one

other thing the treasury unveils US Mint 1776 to 2026 one dollar coin this is this is this is like new coin news this is this is the trouble geek out on this is this is not a golden coin this is this is like a zinc coin it's copper mostly copper yeah it's it's it's it's a commemorative coin I think it'll be worth money for sure people will buy it and they'll sell it I think it's really fun, but don't mistake this for actually having gold in it. I hope maybe they will. Maybe the demand will be high and they'll release like a gold version. Yeah, a gold version or a silver version of it would be really great.

I think they should absolutely do it. But that is plated. And there's a lot of stuff out where people don't realize there's advertising where they'll say like 24-carat gold. And then the coin will be like $50. it's maybe has you know plate like we were talking about how the food they put gold on top like that's what you're buying if you want to buy the real thing that's that's what we do that's what we man i i didn't expect the conversation going in this direction but like underscore big bold letters bright font highlighted please go with people that you can trust absolutely when you're getting into

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author of a book that is called White Pill, which is the opposite of black pilling. And he's also a old colleague of mine when I was at The Daily Collar a decade ago. Don't age Scott. Oh, well, sorry, I just can't help myself. So his name is Scott Greer. He's the author of the highly respected substack. And he is also the author of White Pill, which is from our friends at Passage Publishing with Lomas. And he joins us now. Scott, welcome. What is the white pill for all of our viewers. Well, the white pill offered by my book is something to discuss about how the transformation of conservatism has happened. If we go back 10 years ago, 15 years ago, conservatism was extremely different from what it is today. It was focused on what I call business first republicanism.

It was more focused on Paul Ryanism. It did not care about the cultural or civilizational issues that the right now focuses on and the Trump administration now focuses on. And that turning point USA and Charlie Kirk focused on. It was obsessed with fiscal conservatism, more wars, more unnecessary things that only matter to corporate donors rather than matter to the base. And so my book aims to describe how conservatism change over the last decade. And it has many characters that would be familiar to your show, such as Charlie Kirk as being one of the instrumental figures and pushing the right in a more white pill direction, as they would say, and now being a more combative force that takes on the left on numerous controversial topics that conservatives in the past would have run away from,

such as immigration, such as anti-white racism. Exactly. And it's funny because it's such a personal story. I remember, Andrew, we'd talk to Charlie, and sometimes people would bring up Charlie was more pro-immigration in the past. And he was so frank about it. He'd say, that was bad Charlie. That was old Charlie and his views evolved in a positive direction. He was very frank about that. And I think it's because of what your book is about, Scott, which is, I think it was, it was a thought that was waiting to be spoken by Donald Trump on the campaign trail, but also in spaces online. They just, people weren't hearing this from their leaders. And so it was the thought wasn't, it wasn't going through people's heads. I remember specifically when Trump came down and started talking about

immigration. This was something that I had been pretty radicalized on for years, actually. I was living in Southern California, seeing the chaos of a culture that had no through line and had no cohesiveness. And I just remember thinking, you can't say these things, so I guess we can't have them. I guess we can't even fight for them because nobody's going to stand up for them. And then Trump, to Blake's point, stood up and said it, and at least an iteration of it, it started the ball rolling. And I remember just feeling the sense of relief that somebody finally said it, right? That they're not sending their best or sending their rapists and all the stuff. And I suppose some of them are good people. A line he was so excoriated for and so attacked for, but it lit a fuse that I think,

I still don't think it's fully formed yet, Scott. Where in this journey are we? Well, the journey we're now at is that when conservative politicians want to demonstrate their conservative bono feides to demonstrate that they are the most right-wing candidate, what do they do? They demand immigration restriction. We saw that earlier this year when we had calls to repeal the Seller Act and impose a massive reduction in immigration. And this is endorsed by Ron DeSantis, who has a good nose for knowing what's a good way to sell himself to the conservative public, are knowing what the conservative base wants. And in the past, the way, if you look at the Tea Party, what they thought is the most right-wing way to demonstrate themselves, the most conservative

candidate was calling for cutting the interior department or something, or calling for some type of fiscal conservatism that didn't really animate the base and did not really capture what the public mood is or address the civilizational issues that threaten America. But today, they now go towards immigration. And even though there are still rumblings over whenever a few backbench Republicans or a few notorious pro-immigration Republicans proposed some new immigration bill or amnesty bill, they have very little chance of passing. Unlike in 2013, where the entire Republican Party leadership says the only way the GOP can survive, and this was the purpose of the 2012 election autopsy the GOP put out that year of saying the only way we can survive is if we pass amnesty,

is if we legalize millions of illegal aliens, this is the only way the party can survive in the future. Donald Trump presented a different future for the party. And that alternative, one in 2016 and one in 2024. The alternative never won. The alternative never animated the base and never captured the imagination of the American public because it did not address serious issues that ordinary people are facing,

which the new right does address these issues. And so I think at this stance we're now at, conservative politicians, Republican politicians in the past, would even never dare talking about restricting legal immigration. But in order to demonstrate that they are the most conservative, most right-wing guy out there, they are all eager to say, we want to cut immigration, and that's a huge positive element for the right. I love that you mentioned that autopsy. It's so easy for people to forget how bad things were in the past. Yeah, 13 years ago, not that long in the grand scheme of things, that was the line. We need amnesty. That is the only way we can win Hispanic voters and they're the future.

And so I love that you mention that because not only did we go a different path, thanks to Donald Trump and others who led the way, we did it and we won more of the Hispanic vote than we'd ever won in recent history by doing that. So the subtitle of your book is the online right and the making of Trump's America. That's what it is. And so I remember after the 2016 election, the left pretty accurately concluded. Trump was able to win because of an uncensored Twitter that enable people to hear his message, hear people supporting his message, even though TV was condemning him. They cracked down on it. They had a ton of censorship in 2020. And then in 2022, Elon Musk buys Twitter, rebrands it as X. We get a big reduction in censorship. And Trump is able to roar back.

How important is it for the new conservative movement to sustain itself that we have these low censorship online spaces. to share our message. That's extremely important. If you look back into the 2020 election, I mean, the liberals and Democrats were trying to ensure the election went a certain way. And one of the ways that they made sure of that is tax censorship. And even at that time, there could be random Trump tweets. And he was still president of the United States at this time.

And Twitter, which was what X was called back then, some may forget that. They would censor Trump posts. They would censor Trump tweets. There was even advertisements about illegal immigration that Facebook and others would say, this is fake news. And then they would try to censor that. Even think about how they suppress the information around Hunter Biden's laptop, which all these so-called security experts came out to say, oh, this is Russian disinformation.

This is totally fake news when we all knew it was real. But they utilized that talking point to then suppress talk and discussion about Hunter Biden's laptop. So when you had censorship, it became very hard for the right to. win. And it became very hard for these ideas to get out there. And after Trump won, there was this massive censorship wave all across social media because they didn't want this to repeat itself. They did not want Trump to win another term. They did not want someone like Trump to even have the chance of winning again. But thanks to Elon Musk and buying up X, it set a new standard for

tech and it allowed for more free speech to emerge. and it countered censorship and it allowed Trump to win in 2024, despite the massive opposition towards him, despite all these legal cases against him, despite all this outrage over January 6th and numerous other things that the liberal media had whipped up against Trump, he was able to win. And no one would have predicted this in 2021. It was been thought unthinkable that Trump could come back and win the presidency in 2024. But he was able to do so by the new. free speech environment allowed by social media. And that's why it's very important to combat

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com and tell them your friend andrews sent you all right scott so you have uh your your substack is pretty widely read i know this because every time you publish an article uh it ends up getting sent to me by one way or another. And you've coined to term insane clown party, which I have to say feels really relevant. There is this rise, and maybe it's not a rise. Maybe from your POV, it's always been there. I'm kind of still coming to grips with it. Obviously, we had Q and all these things. And we have been lied to a lot, right? COVID, Hunter Biden's laptop, things that were censored from us. where where do you perceive the right being right now this new right this online right as far as its relationship with the facts evidence and proof uh you know that's an interesting relationship

they have with facts evidence and proof uh the internet does allow a lot of freedom and it also allows people to invent their own reality which the insane clown party has done a fantastic job of inventing their own reality. But it presents a very exciting way of showing the news. If you go to the news and it's all data and polling and elections and that, that's not as exciting. But imagine that if every part of the news is a new soap opera or a new spy thriller, or even that there's a supernatural element, like this random murder might have been the work

of some type of monster or some sort. So they really like these ideas because it makes the news far more exciting. And a lot of the audience loves that. And one of the challenges with alternative media or independent media outside of the main tree media is that a lot of the audience wants you to challenge and question established narratives and the establishment itself, which is usually a good thing. Because as you pointed out with around COVID, around what they've said about immigration and numerous other issues, already look at how they portrayed the Georgia.

Floyd Revolution. There's a lot of reasons and a lot of ground to challenge them. Totally agree. But a lot of people want you to go further and create your own spy thriller out of every news item or especially soap operas. So people get into this and that really what their main concerns become is whether UFOs are controlling bridge destruction or what there might be some, you know, space lasers involved in wildfires in California. that's always a big thing, which in the past, you know, if someone's blaming space lasers for wildfires, they'd be like, that's nuts. But then if you go on X and if there's ever a wildfire going on, space lasers are at the top of the list of culprits. It's even the same if there's a new hurricane afoot or some other major natural disaster.

Weather machines are now a primary culprit for why this happened. You even saw this last year in the tragic flooding that happened in Texas. you know, if you're going on X and social media, everyone's starting to blame the weather machines, which, you know, I don't think that would be the weather machine. So it makes, but it makes the news far more exciting than just ordinary retelling of facts. And that's why people like it. So Scott, we, we were just discussing the role censorship played. I think if you're the left, you can react to something nutty like this and say, well, let's just, let's censor crazy stuff. So people are protected. But both because we generally oppose censors.

And also because we know censorship will immediately be used to suppress important true things that need to be said about immigration and so on. How does the right deal with this issue where there are a lot of people who are going to go towards this siren song of really outlandish conspiracies, sort of untethered from facts, the soap operification of politics? One of your recent articles is could insane clown populism, the insane clown party take over the right? how do we prevent it if not through censorship? I think you challenge it, especially with, you know, established Republican politician who air these insane theories and comments, that you challenge them and saying we're not going to go down this silly route. And the left actually has their own problem with conspiratorialism, which they believe

that any time that Trump, there's another assassination attempt against Trump, it's now a false flag. But hilariously, the right also believes that as well. the ICP believes every insane conspiracy theory. The left believes because it's an equal opportunity conspiracy theory believer. So even if things that support the left are like, oh, this is another spy thriller, okay, we're definitely going to believe in this. Even though it's undermining their own side, you know, the Butler assassination attempt is now seen as a false flag that Trump engineered himself

to build up support and right wingers and prominent influencers are into that. And I was like, how does that benefit our own side? So at least with the left, their conspiratorialism, and they're just having as big of a problem with this, you can see that with Russiagate and carrying on from there. But most of their conspiracies actually support their side. A lot of our conspiracies undermine our side and encourage our audience to vote for the left. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Which is part of the problem. Our relationship, I do think that, you know, we talked to some young people at our chapter leadership summit.

We did these roundtables, Blake and I. and the young people are living in almost an alternate reality, right? The memeification of everything. It's almost disassociative from reality, right? What's the answer to that? We have 40 seconds left here, Scott, so sorry for a big question, but how do you combat that? Is it just more speech?

You just have to be louder than them? It's just more speech. I think it's presenting your side in a compelling fashion, not shying away from hard truths and just delivering. the truth in the best way you can. And that's the only way, the only way to defeat it is through and to continue on and carrying on the fight and to not shy away from the fighter challenging it. Sometimes you should just ignore this stuff if it's just like completely out there. But once it gains an audience and it becomes popular, you have to challenge it. And that's one of the lessons I put

forward in my book, White Pill. And that's what I hope that people take away as the white pill, is that the truth will always win. That's how the new right, to the forefront and it will be how we conquer and defeat the insane clown party let me shut out your book here uh white pill by scott greer you can find out at amazon or at passage press it's out today give him a look check out his substack highly respected on substack uh scott thanks for joining us for more on many of these stories and news you can trust go to charliekirk dot com