The Charlie Kirk Show - Charlie's Warning on Islam in His Final Days

Episode Date: November 21, 2025

Nearly a quarter-century after 9/11, Islam has become a potent political force across the West, and it's only going to get worse. The gang discusses Mayor Mamdani's visit to the White House and what is to come as more cities follow New York and London in electing Islamic leaders. Josh Hammer joins to discuss the perennial question, "What is an American?" Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com!    Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We are talking about the creeping Islamization of the West or Islamification. It's debatable, which... It's Islamization. Islamization. Islamization. Islamization of the West.

And it's key today because we have, of course, Zohamam Dhani, arguably the most powerful Muslim in America, meeting President Trump at the White House today. Apparently he reached out. Trump accepted the invitation and they're meeting at the White House today. Also, we have, you know, lots of other news to get to, including a fake Wapos story. The State Department is coming out swinging. there's a lot to get to but let's start here with Mom Dani is this significant or is it not

significant Blake that we have a Muslim communist socialist whatever you want to call him visiting the White House I mean we've mentioned the Islamic thing but mostly with Mamdani Mammani's clearly not a devout Muslim in any meaningful way he like just

identifies with Islam to say I'm not American I'm not Western I follow this alien faith that is historically anti-West anti-West civilization which I condemn all the time and want to rip down. That's the only way he's Muslim in a meaningful sense. Now, if you want to see real Islamic government, go to the UK, where you straight up have, you know, Al-Hu Akbar guys who are running for office where Gaza is their number one issue.

You know, it's really bad. You go walk around Birmingham, where the industrial revolution began. That was the Silicon Valley of the 19th century. And it's now tons of radical mosques, imams who say, we need Sharia, people just milling about, like it basically looks like it's Baghdad. Well, I do think this is still a step in that direction, though, even if he isn't as radical as some of these. Oh, for sure. For sure. But, yeah, Blake, you're right. There's actually someone literally ran in Manchester under the party umbrella of Palestine. Yeah. Like, not labor, not conservative, just Palestine. And they actually won. Yeah. And so that, that's, that's kind of the representation of this Islam mindset that you get. But it's also interesting that Mom Dani's going to

meet with Trump when I think he said, do we have that clip where he's, says that his his administration is going to be the worst nightmare for trump they might and then as soon as he gets elected he's going well it'll be really interesting to hear how it goes because you can think of a few ways one trump is a very proud new yorker he clearly has a ton of fondness for the city so i can frankly see if the mayor makes noises about wanting to play ball with him i feel like trump could be won over surprisingly easily but it could also be that mayor maimdani sees this has an opportunity to do a big stunt. He can get a story about how he had a throw-down argument with Trump in the Oval Office or wherever

they're meeting and get a lot of attention that way. I feel if either person could be going into that meeting with an agenda, maybe both of them are. And we'll find out what that agenda is. It's the 380 clip. Yeah, exactly. 380 is Zoron changes his tune on Trump. Play it. My administration would be Donald Trump's worst nightmare.

I have many disagreements with the president And I believe that we should be relentless And pursue all avenues and all meetings That could make our city affordable For every single New Yorker I intend to make it clear to President Trump That I will work with him on any agenda That benefits New Yorkers

It's always fun to watch people change their tunes Politics is great But by the way this is you know Again I can't stop thinking about Helen Andrews interview, which again, I encourage everybody to go check it out. The great feminization, but this is typical, like, dude behavior. Guys tend to, like, they saber-rattle, they say big things, and then they're like, hey, let's hang out. Let's hear President Trump 392 talking about the tone that he expects within the White House meeting today.

Well, I was hitting him a little hard, too, an offer, and I don't know exactly what he means by Turn the Volume Up, because Turn the Volume Up, he has to be careful what he says that to me. I mean, he was very nice in calling, as you know, and we're going to have a meeting. I guess we meet at 3 o'clock today. And I think it's going to be quite civil. We'll find out. This is very Trumpian. Super Trumpian.

Yeah, this is super Trump. Yeah, it's like super tramp. You're too young to know what that is. But it is interesting because, you know, Mom Donnie, when we've said this, we've conceded this point that he's a talented politician in the sense that even his acceptance speech where he was like,

Turn the volume up, President Trump. A lot of sociopaths are good up. Yeah, well, no, exactly. And so, you know, he's smiling his way. But this is great, is that when he gets challenged on things, he ends up really revealing that there's not a whole lot there. The emperor has no clothes. 378.

How are you getting that money, the $700 million to make the buses free, into the MCA if she's not for raising taxes? You know, I think that the two clearest ways to raise that money is through the raising of the state's corporate tax. max out of New Jersey. I think that a lot of this is still a case to be made. Whether it's the corporate tax or that's the personal income tax on those who make more than a million dollars a year or more, I think that these are the clearest ways. I've also said that if there are other ways to raise this funding, the most important fact is that we fund it, not the question

of how we do it, but that we do it. So we don't have the money. The thing that I said we were going to do to fund the free buses and the free stuff socialism, the free stuff populism, we can't do it, but it's fine. We're going to figure it out. out, Blake. There's, you know, that's fair enough. We'll see. We'll see. But that's actually, I think that's okay. Like, we shouldn't be too scared because like, look, I just think to the Biden administration, literally as soon as he got elected, Turning Point got an audit, like immediately. And like he, they went straight after the J Sixers. They went straight after. And they were following up on all these. They went up to Tyler. And above and beyond. They went after Tyler. They went after our team. And so they spied on us. They spied on us. Turning Point was involved, unknowingly, in Arctic Frost, which means they were spying on this organization. Our own government spied on Turning Point. Yeah, so I'll just say, I'll take this version of Momtani.

There's a lot of saber rattling. But on top of that, it shows how unsurious of a person he is in a very serious city in the United States of America, where it's just a lot of noise but not a lot of substance. Well, but here's the thing. I really believe that if there was not a president, Trump in the White House, if we did not have control of Congress, both the House and the Senate, that these people would be unleashed to become their worst versions of themselves and the tyranny would spread rapidly. So what you're seeing is you're seeing the rumblings of a beginning and that will take full bloom if allowed. And I think that's why we talked about why Dearborn is important. What happened yesterday is it it's a precursor of this sectarian civil strife that, you know, of eventually will and could erupt into actual violence in the streets between Christians and Muslims if this is allowed to fester. And I, and in my case and point, historically, is Lebanon.

Lebanon used to be basically 100% Christian. It was controlled by the French. Blake, you're going to know the history better than I. But then they sort of cast off their colonial powers. And now Lebanon is between 15 to 30% Christian. Lebanon was created to be the Christian. country in the Middle East. It is no longer a Christian country. We don't know the percentage because it's too politically loaded what their demographics are, so nobody ever can conduct a

census. Yeah. It estimated at about 30% Christian. That's what they always will say that. It's probably lower, to be honest, because the Christians are wealthier and they got out of Dodge because there was a civil war. Shocker, because when your country becomes more Islamic, it becomes a violent dump. Well, and that's essentially what we all have to sort of brace for and why we are warning about the Islamization of the West. It's really remarkable. I can riff here, but like, we just had Saudi Arabia visit D.C. And everything that's going on in the Gulf states is they are rapidly becoming less Islamist by offloading all of their radicals into the West.

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All right, Blake Neft, walk us through this State Department tweet because it is in a word-based. I'm very proud of it. No, no, it's just a thread. I'll just read the whole thing. Yeah, State Department. Mass migration poses an existential threat to Western civilization and undermines the stability of key American allies. Today, the State Department instructed U.S. embassies to report on the human rights implications and public safety impacts of mass migration. Mass migration is a human rights concern.

Western nations have endured crime waves, terror attacks, sexual assaults, and displacement of communities. U.S. officials will urge governments to take bold action and defend citizens against the threats posed by mass migrants. officials will i'm just going to skip ahead to one they cite some examples in the united kingdom thousands of girls have been victimized in rotherham oxford and newcastle by grooming gangs involving migrant men many girls were left to suffer unspeakable abuse for years before authorities stepped in in sweden an eritraian migrant convicted of raping a 16 year old girl was allowed to remain in the country after a judge ruled that the incident was not a quote exceptionally serious serious crime and did not warrant deportation. In Germany, nine men, several of them migrants, were convicted for the gang

rape of a 15-year-old. A German woman who insulted one of the rapists online was given a harsher sentence than the perpetrators themselves. U.S. officials will now scrutinize policies in Western nations that give leniency to migrant crime and human rights abuses or that create two-tiered systems that prioritize migrants at the expense of their own citizens. the U.S. supports the sovereignty of our allies and calls on governments to engage with the growing number of citizens concerned about mass migration. We stand ready to assist our allies in solving the global crisis of migration. Yes. I am pretty sure. I haven't confirmed. I'm pretty sure our friend Sarah Rogers was involved in making that policy, but she hasn't confirmed.

We cannot confirm nor deny. I know this is as close to her heart as it is close to mine. It sounds like her too. She and Charlie talked about. We should find that meme, the light switch meme, because it really is. If you want to know what, and listen, I'm not scapegoating. There are good immigrants. I get it. And some of them are very patriotic and we're lucky to have them. However, a policy of mass migration, one of the things that really bothers me is this, this, what

it's mentioned in this tweet about the displacement of communities. I was just on a phone call with a friend last night who lives in Dallas. And he said that his parents live in a neighborhood next to him. and it used to be this neighborhood with Halloween, trick-or-treating that all the kids would go out and Christmas lights, and they would have block-block parties. And now he said it's basically all Indians, that all the former residents of that neighborhood have been displaced, moved out. The way that they interact with their neighbors is really uncomfortable. There's a lot of glaring that goes on with the women. I'm not saying that's all of them, but this is a report from a friend that's saying, and by the way, you go to the malls there, and it's basically all Indians.

Now, this is a neighborhood in Dallas, Texas, Red Texas, and most of that is coming from H-1Bs. It's coming from legal immigration, it's coming from family reunification policies. And that displacement used to be a liberal value that they would bemoan in long thought pieces in the Atlantic and the New Yorker when it would come to inner city gentrification during the early 2000s. They would talk about the displacement in San Francisco, in Brooklyn, in these types of places. and they write sympathetically about those communities that get displaced. Well, now with mass migration, it's Americans that are getting displaced from their own communities. It's Americans of all stripes, of all colors, of all backgrounds, all economic levels, and there's not a drop of sympathy from the left. That's so well, so hopefully this is paving the way.

I think what they might be setting up, it'd be very interesting if the U.S., for example, gave asylum to people who basically are persecuted for free speech reasons for saying, I don't want my country. to become an Islamist hellhole. But you could do other stuff. It'd be interesting because you could also set up to say, oh, well, the U.S., we have these mechanisms for carrying about human rights abroad. So we're going to sanction a judge who issues something that indicates a two-tier justice ruling in the UK or in Germany. There's a lot of interesting things we could do to just start throwing our weight around a bit and saying, actually, it does matter a lot that all of our supposed NATO allies are closest to allies

are becoming places where they're replacing their own population. They're making it illegal to complain about it. They're treating white people as inherent oppressors who should be punished more severely by the judicial system. They're not enforcing the law against migrants. They're letting Sharia courts take over their biggest cities. And we see a form of this in the United States, too, where criminals, if you happen to be of a quote unquote marginalized class, are allowed to terrorize communities with impunity. You saw this in Chicago this week where maybe get me the facts on this case. but basically this gentleman had been arrested, what, like 40 priors, and then he sets a woman on fire on...

Endless. Yeah. Endless. And it really is. Throw it up now, I think it's the new, whatever it is, the fix everything switch. It is so, so many of these things are so basically fixable. It's enforce the law in cities, and it's stop importing 18 billion people. It's the fix everything easily switch.

And everyone's like, no, we've never, we've never pressed that switch before. It's going to be that simple, but it is. Here's my thing. It's great that the State Department is doing this. It's unfortunate that we still have mass migration to the United States. That's the sad fact. Right now, in Ukraine, elderly Jews are trapped in unbearable poverty. Galena is a 96-year-old Holocaust survivor who has spent her entire life in the same village.

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show, and he has a new piece out this morning that is fascinating and near and dear to Charlie's heart. And that is a question that he spent a lot of time thinking about and talking about in his final days. What is an American? Josh Hammer, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. Andrew, it's great to see you, my friend. Yeah, you too as well. So Charlie used to talk about the difference between a paperwork American versus a real American. And we were still sort of working on our working definition of what it was.

I don't think we had settled the story yet or settled the debate internally. But we definitely knew that paperwork alone did not make one an American, at least in an important sense of where their loyalties are, whether their values are at, even where their language is at. Yes, there is a piece of paperwork that will infer your legal right to be here, to vote in our elections, that sort of thing. For our audience, Josh, define what the difference between the paperwork and a true American truly is. Well, Andrew, I'll do the best I can.

I'm not sure that I have an elevator pitch kind of 10-second answer to that question, but I will do the best I can. Let me take a step back and say that this whole debate kind of reminds me of this piece that I read from a University of Virginia political science professor named James Caesar many, many years ago. He was talking about, because, you know, Angie, as you know from my previous appearances here, I'm also a lawyer, so I think a lot about the separation of powers, the Constitution. And Professor Caesar has this notion where he contrasts a literal violation of the separation of powers in a black letter Article 1, Article 2, Article 3 of the Constitution sense, versus kind of, a more political violation of the separation of powers. So his point was that you could, even if you're not technically violating the separation of powers under the Supreme Court precedents or whatnot there, you could spiritually violate

the overarching tenor of our separation of powers that is ultimately our number one safeguard for liberty in this country. So that's kind of the analogy that I take to this, what is an American question, which I wrote about today and was really kind of prompted by Zormemdani coming to visit Donald Trump. Is he an American? all these folks who are in Dearborn, Michigan, who are chanting al-Hu Akbar, death to America. Is this what it means to be an American, right?

I mean, all sorts of just crazy, crazy stuff. And the most recent allegations of the fraud in Minnesota when it comes to the Minnesota taxpayers being the number one subsidizer of al-Shabaab, the formerly al-Qaeda offshoot, now independent, Sunni Islamic terrorist organization in Somalia, all this stuff I think really raises this question that, indeed, Charlie was thinking a lot, a lot about it in those final months. it raises it to the forefront. So the paperway definition of being a citizen that you are born and nationalizing citizenship

is necessary, but it is hardly sufficient. It is not sufficient, I think, to be an American in the sense of the term that we should think of being an American. American is someone who is acculturated into the inherited historical traditions, folk ways, and general just ways of life of this country. And this country ever since its founding days, Andrew, has been really shaped by its majority Protestant culture,

You hear a lot about the Protestant work ethic, things like that there. And, you know, I think about my own ancestors, right? My own ancestors, Jews from Eastern Europe, who came during the Ellis Island immigration wave, late 19th century, early 20th century. For them, it was fairly obvious that you don't just have to become a citizen. You don't just have to learn the language. You don't just have to pay your taxes, do all that there. But you really do have to become deeply involved in the folkways, in the general way of life of the country. There's something thicker, we might say.

There's something morally and historical. thicker than just paying your taxes and speaking the language. By the way, a lot of these folks are not doing that. They're not even paying their taxes speaking the language. But I think for previous generations of migrants, they understood that even that is enough. You have to really kind of become a full participant in what John Jay, in the Federalist number two, one of the first essays of the Federalist Papers famously starts writing about how Americans were descended from a common stock and they had similar mannerisms and similar religion there. And I'm not saying that everyone has to be a Protestant. I'm Jewish, of course, but whether you're a Jewish,

Protestant, Catholic, or in theory, potentially, if you're of a different religion there, you really do have to publicly acculturate yourself and publicly assimilate into the Protestant majority in heraldic culture that goes back hundreds of years well before the American founding, frankly, into British culture. So that's kind of how I think about it, Andrew. When I see things like Michigan, what I definitely do not see is acculturated Americanism. But look, me personally, I can be an observant Jew in my private life, which I am, and praise me to God for that. I'm very happy with that. But I am a very fully public-facing American because I fully participate in this country's civic institutions.

I am engaged in the act of trying to preserve and conserve our inherited traditions from one generation to the next. And I am deeply thankful, indeed grateful for this country's longstanding Protestant traditions, which really no one better, I think, embodied than our friend Charlie Kerr. We argued with Charlie I remember we had one of our later thought crimes We had that discussion You know It's like Are you basically more American

If you are Protestant And obviously I'm Catholic Jack was Catholic But we had that debate Because I was like America really is Like it is a Protestant country That is what it's founding is That fractiousness

That hostility to a certain level of authority So even American Catholics are actually a bit Protestant Because they're always arguing With the Pope And finding him annoying The most Protestant Catholics in the world their American country. Yeah, it's very funny. And of course, see that all with American Jews as well.

They adopted a lot of that. And it's something I think about with the Islamization thing. Obviously in America, we have the First Amendment. We have freedom of religion. But I've often had that thought, can even the freedom of American Muslims to practice their religion really survive if America becomes too much of an Islamic country? I feel it will lose too much of that historic core heritage. The historical heritage is, and really the founders of the country were talking about freedom of religion, you know, you could be a Quaker, you can be an Anglican, you can be, that's really what they were talking about. They weren't even sure if the Catholic part could work at that time. We had Maryland, you know, but not by then. Okay. Yeah, but the point

is that really that's what they were thinking about. They were thinking about different faith traditions, denominations within the Protestant patchwork, if you will, coming from, you know, Mother England. And I do think that, you know, Charlie said this very clearly. He said, Islam is not compatible with the West. Islam is not compatible with the West. So what do we do, Josh? I mean, you say it really well here. You say, you kind of reflect on Dearborn. And you say the United States was never a blank slate society like any nation has a distinct inheritance. And you, you say, this is the challenge of Dearborn. It is too many distinct cultural communities now reject this framework. So what do we do? Because a lot of these people, we can't get, we can't de-naturalize

some of these. We can't strip them of their citizenship. We're still dealing with birthright citizenship, which I think is completely farcical. What do we do? Yeah, so let me just briefly, before I answer that question, Andrew, echo your point, which is that the American founding was really going, was supposed to be a patchwork essentially of different Protestant sect. In fact, the original meaning, of the Establishing Clause of the First Amendment and Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion does not mean, quote-unquote, separation of church and state. Rather, it was actually just a federalism provision.

Congress shall make no law because the states can make laws. In fact, they literally did that for decades and decades after the founding. For instance, the Commonwealth of Massachusetts had the established Church of Congregationalism until the 1830s. There's many other examples there. So your point is actually very well taken. There are also Jews and Catholics who were there at the time of the founding. It was definitely heavily Protestant, but Jews and Catholics were very much there.

For instance, the no religious test clause in the Constitution, where there will be no test for office, no oath of a certain religion. And that was Alexander Hamilton's work. He put that in there. The historians typically say on behalf of his Jewish friends and colleagues there, some people debate that, but there was definitely an element there of trying to look out for the Jews and Catholics. So they were definitely there, but it really was this Protestant patchwork. Your point is very well taken. Look, Charlie is essentially, or he was essentially correct, that Islam is not compatible with Western civilization.

I define Western civilization, Andrew. I define it as the ecumenical biblical inheritance. Now, there is a role, certainly, for Greco-Roman reason. There is a big role, frankly, for Greco-Roman reason. But we talk about what the West is at its core. It is the outgrowth of the Bible. It is the outgrowth of the two biblical religions of Judaism and Christianity. That is how I define the West, and that is how I conceive it.

So is Islam compatible with that? Well, at a theoretical level, no. I mean, it seems pretty obvious, frankly, that it is not. Islam has been at war with Christianity, and obviously Judaism and more modern times, but really historically at war of Christianity, essentially since Islam was founded. So, I mean, the historical record, whether it's the siege of Vienna in the 17th century, whether it's the first and second Barbary wars under the Jefferson and Madison presidency, there is a long historical track record, even saying that Islam is not broadly compatible with Western civilization.

Here's what I will say. Here's the caveat to that. That is not that that blanket categorical statement is not to say that there are not individual dispensations. It's not to say that each and every individual Muslim cannot be a good American. So Abe Hamada right there in Arizona, Judy Jasser, also in Arizona. Any number of other individuals I can think of, there are any number of patriotic, great American citizen Muslims. But at a categorical scale, at a categorical scale, no, I do not think Islam is compatible with Western civilization or frankly with, So what do we do?

Do we stop mass immigration from Islamic countries? So stopping mass immigration, I think, is the lowest hanging fruit. We should obviously do that. Personally, Andrew, I have to describe to a short-term, full-scale immigration moratorium, period, full-stop, end of story. But definitely a moratorium when it comes to every Muslim majority. I want a 10-year moratorium. That's what I want to push. There just doesn't seem to be an appetite for that yet in Washington to even address the legal question.

There's not. I mean, Trump is correct. I tried and got behind this with the Rays Act back in his first turn. Yeah, Tom Cotton. We had a lot of issues with Tom Cotton, but Tom Cotton was right about the raise act. And it would have, I guess it would remind me the details. It would have been like 50%. It would have been 500,000 green cards a year as opposed to 1.2 that we do now.

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Let's go ahead and play cut 403. We have reduced Americanism down to, well, have you filled out your paperwork? And the left doesn't even believe that. They believe Americans just at the presence of being in the United States of America. So what is an American? The best way I can answer it. It is someone that has demonstrated through objective measurements and markers that this is home, that you have more than respect or reverence that you're willing to die that you are all in

that this is a place that you're willing to bleed for and sacrifice for this is not a dumping ground for the third world this is not a social experiment you are you're you're you get a tear in your eye on july fourth that you worship god not allah that you have you have a sense of weight and responsibility that you care about your fellow neighbor an american is more than just someone that has a U.S. passport. I think it's fair to say that Charlie Kirk is the literal embodiment of what America is. Yeah, not the least because he basically looks like he fell out of like 1775. It just comes out of his pores, man.

And I just love it. You get a tear in your eye on July 4th. Do you worship God, not Allah? Blake. Yeah, it just, what's funny is at this point, it's almost that clip we just play doesn't go far enough because it's not even the left thinks you're American if you live here. The left actually is pretty much inverted it where you're, only an American if you are not from here. If you're actually from America, you're somehow

not a real American. You're lesser. You don't hold the right views on this or that thing. The superior American is always the American who hasn't been found yet. We need to have spent hundreds of billions of dollars to go and find all the Americans scattered throughout the entire world and bring them here to give them well. No, it's true. I mean, Democrats and their socialist and communist coalition partners, I mean, they essentially want an America where borders are open. Drugs pour in from abroad. Crime is allowed because, you know, racism. Foreigners rule over native-born citizens. White people are taxed into subjugation. Men are compliant, quiet, and castrated. Little girls share bathrooms with perverted men. Christianity is

outlawed why Muslim called a prayer rings out in the streets. Truth is censored. And, you know, the military can coup a sitting president if they think that he's doing something that they don't like. Josh, I want to flip the conversation a little bit to that direction. You're a lawyer. And there's a lot of argument about this video that the seditious six, as they're calling them now, have put out basically saying, hey, you don't, you shouldn't obey the president. The president comes out and says, hey, guess what? The penalty for sedition, seditious conspiracy is death. And then all hell breaks loose. And so that's our current moment.

What is sedition define it for us, Josh, in legal terms? And did it meet the threshold? Well, sedition, Andrew, would be a plot to overthrow the regime, a plot to overthrow the American government, to potentially to assassinate the president, to try to do what you can illegally to essentially destroy the very existence of the House representatives, absent a constitutional amendment. These were possible grounds for sedition. Now, this video was disgusting. I mean, I did a whole episode on it on my own show. I said this is clearly incitement to insurrection. direction. Is it literally sedition? I mean, the reason I'm hesitating, Andrew, is because when you have elected officials like this, it seems to me like there is potentially another remedy in place rather than trying to prosecute on grounds of sedition, which is that you could also just try to expel these members of Congress. You could try to expel Senator Kelly, Senator Slocke, and people like

that there. That is something that that's one possible remedy. You know, as a lawyer, I think not just about the possible crime, but whatever, about remedies as well. So one remedy could just be expelling. And it's also, of course, the remedy of the ballot box. Look, I definitely would not be upset. I mean, if the DOJ really decides to pursue this thing and actually decides to say to this is a literal seditious conspiracy, it's a total cell phone in the politics, by the way. I mean, what, who are they playing to? I mean, literally, who are they playing to other than the most radical elements of the Mandani coalition? It's absolutely nuts.

It came out of nowhere, too. And then you've got this representative crow basically saying, well, I wasn't calling for them to disobey anything just yet. Well, we have three years left of Trump. And I just wanted to, you know, I wanted to bring up the possibility. I mean, so you're absolutely right. The politics of it were insane. So they've self-owned themselves. But I think what President Trump was rightfully doing, I'll be honest.

Like, the first time I saw it, I thought I was like, okay, you guys are trying to be cute with illegal orders. Like, who's to define what's illegal? Is drug boats in the international water bombing those? Is that illegal to you? Is national guard troops in Chicago or Portland? Is that illegal to you? So I knew they were being cute, but then when President Trump got really upset about it, I was like, you know what? He's right.

Like, these two people are playing with fire and they need to be like warned. They need a brushback pitch. I don't think that, I agree. I don't think the remedy necessarily needs to be immediately let's like, you know, try them for treason. But at the same time, they needed a brush back pitch. Josh Hammer, final word to you one minute. Yeah, no, look, I mean, but this is who they are, Andrew. I think the point that I will leave the audience on is this.

We are now almost a year and a half since Butler, Pennsylvania. We are now over a year since the second attempted assassination in West Palm Beach, Florida. And there's, obviously, here we are two and a half months or two plus minus after the assassination of our friend Charlie Kirk. And they're still doing this. They're still talking about Trump as a Hitler right tyrannical figure. They're still talking about the American government as a bunch of Nazis. They're still talking about playing fast and loose with sedition. All the while, they're flooding this country with people who hate America, who are not really Americans in a thicker, meaningful sense of the term. It's all just totally dystopian. And is yet another

reminder that we have to do everything we can possibly do to keep these wretched herodents out of power in these United States. Well said. Well said. Josh Hammer, host of the Josh Hammer Show, editor at large at Newsweek. A great new piece on what is an American check it out. Josh, thanks for joining us, my friend. My pleasure. Thanks, Andrew.

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