The Charlie Kirk Show - “Chasing Pirates” in Minnesota and the Fraud Exposed Under Tim Walz. Ft. Nick Shirley

Episode Date: December 30, 2025

Nick Shirley joins the show to break down Somalian fraud and the massive misuse of taxpayer dollars in Minnesota under Tim Walz, while also previewing his upcoming Part 2 investigation aimed at exposing even more corruption. Tricia McLaughlin discusses what the Trump administration is doing to combat fraud tied to illegal immigration, including potential denaturalization efforts and illegal aliens receiving government benefits and Medicaid. Plus, Blake and Andrew weigh in on the legal accountability question, examining who can be prosecuted and how responsibility for this widespread fraud could ultimately be enforced. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com! Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Maybe I am. Yeah, blink twice. It's called family vacations, family holidays. Exactly. We're going to load up with this Minnesota story. It's just, it's so big, it's so important because I think it's going to unlock a lot of other storylines that we're going to see play out in 2026. Here to get us started is the great Trisha McLaughlin, assistant secretary of Department of Homeland Security. She is calling in, Trisha, welcome to the.

The Charlie Kirk Show. Andrew, thanks so much for having me. Thank you for joining us. We were discussing it really all month. This story out of Minnesota with the Somalis. It started with talking about their, it was coverage of the autism centers, talking about Medicaid fraud, talking about all sorts of stuff. But now it's really gone ultra-viral, and we'll have them on later in the show, Nick Shirley, knocking on the doors of some daycares, people becoming really aware. of that there's dozens, hundreds of these daycares,

with supposedly hundreds of children at them, getting millions of taxpayer dollars. Some of them may not exist at all. Some of them may be massively exaggerating how many services they provide. This has really become, it's gone insanely viral. I think Nick Shirley's video is around 120 million views at this point. It's gotten, it's become this symbol, I think,

for a lot of the right, and really the wider America, of the downsides of immigration. And it's been getting a lot of attention now from the Trump administration, from DOJ and your own DHS. So how about you tell our listeners what's been going on as a result of that? Absolutely. And thank you for having me. So right now on the ground in Minneapolis, Homeland Security investigators are going door to door to these suspected fraud sites, whether it be daycare centers or health care centers and businesses around them as well,

to get more information and to make sure we're following the money here and we bring arrests and prosecutions and ultimately removals. But if you rewind a couple of months, while this is HSI, which is part of ice on the ground, we've also had an ongoing ice operation for the past two months, Operation Twin Shields. We've arrested about 500 illegal aliens, many of which are from the Somalian population, as well, there's been an ongoing USCIS immigration fraud investigation. We've had about a thousand cases there so far and about half of which we've found fraud. Yeah, there's this word that has been making the rounds on X and other venues and that word is denaturalization. And for those who

don't know, that would refer to basically removing citizenship from somebody who had gained citizenship before. And America does that very, very rarely, but it's getting brought up, especially in relation to these fraud cases, because if someone was engaging in widespread fraud from when they arrived, that would seem like a valid grounds to say giving you citizenship was a mistake and you should be removed. Has there been any progress on that front? Do you have anything you can tell us there? Yeah, so President Trump really since the start of his administration, but then really became a focus following the terrorist attack against the two National Guardsmen out of Washington right ahead of Thanksgiving. There was really a focus on auditing those who have come into our

country, whether they have had become citizens coming through visas or green cards, particularly for these 19 countries of concern. So that's something that President Trump has made a major focus is these people, sure, did they come in a legal way? We're looking at it. We're looking at do they come under fraudulent circumstances, exploiting the system. Did they lie on their applications? Those are all things that would be grounds for denaturalization. So as far as on this specific Somali in front, I don't have a specific update there, but across the board, this is something that we're really auditing and recognizing the massive amount of fraud and abuse. happen in our legal immigration system. Tricia, we are seeing this surge of HSI. All the videos

coming out. You mentioned it. But there's other states that are now being highlighted as well. Ohio has a huge Somali population. Columbus, I believe, is the second largest population. Washington State. There is, you know, a lot of allegations that California has a lot of rampant fraud as well. Meanwhile, they're trying to raise a billionaire tax, 5% of, you know, the wealth of of billionaires to pay for health care. Meanwhile, all this fraud is happening. Can you hint at some of the plans that are going to be outside of the state of Minnesota as well? Is this going to be nationwide? What can you tell us? Yeah, I think you're going to see that Minnesota as a blueprint for what's going to happen nationwide. I'm actually in Columbus, Ohio, as we speak, this is where I'm

from. And we see a lot of these similar, a lot of its copy paste or similar networks as far as the potential and suspected crime and fraud that we are seeing. But I think what you're also going to see, and we've started to see this with the FBI and Homeland Security investigations, but you're going to see a lot more action from the Treasury Department and other facets of the U.S. government that a lot of people, you know, maybe aren't as familiar with as far as tracking this kind of crime and fraud and abuse. So we're going to be seeing more and more of that across.

not just Minnesota, not just Ohio, but across the country. Great. And one other question here. So go ahead and put up this political article. Trump admin can share immigrants Medicaid data with ICE. A judge has ruled. Tricia, how big of a ruling is this? And what kind of, you know, what are you going to, what do you expect to find here? And why did 21 blue states sue the Trump administration to block them getting this? this information. I was credibly informed that immigrants or legals do not get, do not get Medicaid. How many times were we told that over and over and over again? I think that this is a very, first of all, it's a good sign because we also have a similar case with the IRS. The Trump administration,

I think, I was in the first administration and this administration far more than under Trump 45. we are doing much better at sharing information across agencies and that it makes us a lot more efficient so that we can root out this fraud and also identify those who are on the books who are getting Medicaid or their public benefits and they're in the country illegally. It helps us to really target these people and remove them from the country. So we've also are working on sharing IRS data. But of course, we're told time and time again that this is something that's not happening, this fraud and exploitation isn't occurring, but it is. And I think part of the reason that these

states and these politicians are so afraid is it's going to show that they were culpable, that they knew that this fraud was occurring and not only let it occur, but enabled it. Wow, that's a big, a big storyline. We actually had Harmeet Dillon on yesterday talking about what it would look like to indict a sitting governor, say, Tim Walts. But I have a feeling that as we go down this rabbit hole, we're going to find a lot of elected officials. were culpable and complicit. Trisha McLaughlin, thank you for joining us. I know you've been traveling,

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He says at some point, the amateur effort to knock on doors of home daycares intersects with robust stand-your-ground laws. And the good folks on excerpt, yes. Go ahead and read it. Stand-your-ground laws, remove the duty to retreat from a threat when a person is in a place they have a legal right to be. Knocking on the door of a supposedly public business does not constitute a threat. So stand-your-ground could not be invoked as a defense. Now, I have a few thoughts on that, and it's pretty remarkable.

First of all, it's amazing to see, I've been around for a while, I'm a bit older than a lot of our, you know, turning point base. So I, of course, remember the infamous Trayvon Martin George Zimmerman case. And I think that legitimately drove the left insane on this topic where they, it's like the joke. They just refuse to understand the core concept because they were so angry that George Zimmerman was able to defend himself from a guy bashing his head into the pavement. and now they think stand your ground is a magical thing that lets you just shoot anyone for any reason and no it's never worked that way it's definitely and i think that the zberman case didn't even apply to it as a stand your ground one it was normal self-defense so it shows their continuing thing but the darker thing here that i think is worth highlighting is what this clearly gets at

and i don't know and gerstein seems to be manifesting it but definitely other people are is like the left really does have this dark desire they whatever the law is they really want somebody to get shot in the face while doing this they they badly want it to take place and that's how you end up posting stuff like this yeah i mean think about what uh this so so nick shirley helps expose i mean he he sort of popularized what was had already been exposed which is an important piece of any puzzle so you have to understand that so some I mean, I used to talk about this with Charlie all the time. You know, our job was to sort of popularize things that were important for people to know.

There's people doing good reporting out there. It needs to get out there. And sometimes that's the job of shows like this. And that's why we try and highlight good reporting. So good reporting happens. Nick Shirley helps blow the lid on this massive fraud scandal that's plaguing our nation to the tune of billions and billions of dollars in Medicare and Medicaid fraud. And instead of supporting. the exposing this, a reporter who is, let me get his title exactly right, the senior legal affairs

reporter for Politico, prior ABC White House and China correspondent CNN. So instead of supporting this, he says, oh, when you expose fraud, you should kill these people. You should shoot them. This is insane. This is why the mainstream news media has lost so much standing in the, the minds of the American population. Absolutely incredible thing to conclude that you're in the business of exposing corruption. If you are a reporter, that is essentially your core job and function. So Nick Shirley exposes corruption and fraud, and this guy suggests that he should be shot in a stand-your-ground law, which doesn't, and by the way, and you even get it wrong. You're a legal affairs reporter and you get the law wrong. I mean, like the whole thing is just absolutely

asinine. And it's absolutely, it's hard to believe that this is like the state of American journalism. Well, it's funny too because like, they're speculating this about public businesses and Washington Post reporters will just show up and knock on the door of your house to harass you. A fact I know, because Eric Wemple of the Washington Post did that to my house once. in 2020. Like, disgusting people. Yeah, it's a, it's a pretty remarkable thing to watch happen that you, you know, but this is why you have to understand how much pushback that President Trump is getting, how much pushback the Trump administration is getting. The fact that Eric Swalwell and Nancy Pelosi are already talking about what they're going to do to President

Trump in his cabinet if they get power back in the House in 2026, they're already going to impeach him. They're going to investigate. They're going to try and impeach cabinet members all this to gum up the works. They know they're not going to be able to remove these people. But they're going to try and make their lives miserable. And that's the whole point. They're going to try and grab headlines. This is why Trump is, you know, the basis, you know, they want results now. They want they want more indictments. They want more prosecutions. I fully understand that. I sympathize with that. I'm told much more is underway in the works. But you have to look at what they are doing when good people do good work and good journalism. When the administration moves the

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reminder, but I'm just so pleased to see how well you're doing. And it brings us all joy to see the good work that you're doing in Minneapolis and beyond. Thank you. It's been a crazy past few days as we've been uncovering what could potentially be one of the largest fraud scandals in America history out here in Minnesota. Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, you call it chasing pirates. You, you know, I have to ask you, how did you get turned on to this story in the first place, Nick?

Well, I've known about the fraud taking place for a very long time. Ever since last June, I made my first visit to Minnesota kind of documenting how what's been happening inside of the state. And then a lot of the locals were telling me about the fraud that was taking place within the daycares. They also have their houses where they're running home health care businesses out of. But I could never, I couldn't dedicate the time to be able to get all the information with everything else I have to do with my YouTube channel.

And so I was very fortunate when this man by the name of David reached out to me and being him, we're able to collaborate and he was able to go out and get the numbers as he's been looking at this fraud for years now. So it was a joint effort and I was super happy to be able to amplify his book. voice in his work that he's been able to do and uh with my work as well yeah tell us more about david who is he and uh you know how do people follow him follow his work as well i i was trying to look around i didn't see much on him he's just a local legend just plain and simple he's a lifelong local legend in minnesota and uh we have to keep him pretty unanimous i can't

say too much about him because people are even recognizing him out in places and i don't want anything to happen to David. So he's just a local legend that cares a lot about his city, wants the best for his city, and is sick of seeing American pirates steal money from hardworking tax bank citizens here. Yeah, that's amazing. So, Nick, first question, second question, rather, is what has, what has it been like to see the Attorney General of the United States tagging you in post? The FBI is responding. Did you? have any inkling when you were doing this investigation that it had this potential i knew it had a lot of potential and i'm super happy to see how people are reacting to it now and it's also very sad to see how

people are trying to like justify the fraud it's pretty hilarious actually but it's actually amazing how the trump administration because this is a great opportunity for them to go in really show people okay we're paying attention like what do you what do you what do you make It did more than all other mainstream networks in one day. What do you make of this Washington Post reporter? I'm sure you saw this where he suggested that you deserve to have someone pull a stand your ground on you because you show up at these businesses. Well, I never tried to go inside of any of the businesses.

I never forced my way into any of the businesses. I simply just asked if I could enroll a child, just like a typical operation. like just a typical operation that a parent would go to when he's a daycare center so I wasn't putting in floors or anything I was simply just asking

can I put my son Joey into daycare and they could answer that question well yeah I think that's people are noticing the quality leering thing but I think that is actually probably the best the best part of the montage for me is when you just ask

can I enroll a child here and the person immediately responds why yeah why they are It's like so obvious. And the whole thing with the Quality Learning Center, too, it's hilarious because while Somalis were busing in children,

the commissioner of, I think, chat, one of the department of children or something, she was on a live stream at the same time talking about how they closed the daycare a week ago. So they had the Somalis busting in children trying to cover up. Meanwhile, the lady who's in charge is saying closed the daycare a week ago. Meanwhile, the video had been filmed more than a week ago.

So, and I posted the original video of me outside of the daycare about a week ago, and then I was able to produce the entire documentary when I was at home for Christmas. Nick, you've been pretty loud on your social media about the fact that you think Tim Walts needs to be held accountable for this. What in your reporting has led you to believe that the complicity here, the culpability goes all the way up to the time? top in the state of Minnesota? I think $9 billion is a lot of money. And so if the governor is knowing that all this money is going out,

I think the governor should know about $9 billion being sent to these welfare programs and these other businesses fraudulently. And then there's nobody out of businesses. Yeah. In these neighborhoods, Nick, you made some comment. I think it was on Fox News where you were saying that this whole racket is kept alive by the fact that these politicians need the Somalian votes at this point. They've become a huge voting block within the state of Minnesota.

When you're walking through these neighborhoods on the ground, what percentage of the population does it feel like is Somalian? Are these neighborhoods almost entirely Somalian now? They've kind of moved in, or is it 50-50? What's it feel like? Like 95% in certain neighborhoods throughout Minneapolis. Wow. Especially in like areas like Cedar River.

I mean, a lot of these apartment complexes, I said on Foxville, a lot of the department complexes, white people and anybody who's not Somalian have been pushed out of these apartment complexes because they claim that people are Islamophobic or racist, and they're able to get the landlords to then kick them out because of those claims. And so you have entire apartment complexes that are full of Somali people. They're not even making money. And 81% of the population, the small population here in Minnesota, lives off of welfare. These people have four wives, and they run these daycare companies.

I doubt they're paying their wives. And so then those wives are able to also claim welfare while they're receiving millions of dollars from the government. It's a huge – it's like the roots are deep in this fraud. Yeah. I'm going to play a clip from Tim Walts here, Nick, and have you respond to it, where he's accusing the Trump admin of white supremacy, 120. This is what happens when your own federal government wages war against you. this is what happens when they target communities for their own benefit

this is what happens when they scapegoat and this is what happens when they no longer hide the idea of white supremacy when you hear the vice president of the united states talk about now white people won't have to apologize for being white that's never happened once in my whole damn life and i think everybody in this room knows what they're doing so we're here today to say enough of this we're here today to stand that minnesota will protect their neighbors

Nick, what do you make of his... Yeah, he's in total panic, Jim Bob. Yeah, go ahead. Tim Walker's in total panic. He's in total panic right now. He doesn't know what to do because he knows the fraud's catching up. He's trying to run for re-election.

Meanwhile, he's probably trying to decide whether or not he should resign to try not take accountability for what's happening. And then he's going to blame the white man. Like what do you think? It really, Tim Walls always strikes me as he's like a time warp from 2015 or 2017

there's just this type of person and he's that type of person where anything he doesn't like he's just going to instantly shut it down by pointing and screaming racist and the sad thing is it's Minnesota so it might work. Have you heard anything?

Have you heard anything from locals in Minnesota who've reached out to you or sent you any interesting stories for follow-ups or just interesting anecdotes you think might be good to share? Oh, I've received thousands of messages from people in Minnesota Everyone's thankful that this fraud is being exposed.

Nobody wants their money going to fraudulent businesses like daycares or even having the potential of it to be wired off to Somalia. Our money should stay here inside the United States, especially if it's tax dollars. Yep, yep. Nick, what are you planning on doing next, Nick? Can you give us a hint of what you're currently working on? Are you going to stay on the fraud beat? There's a lot of fraud happening here in Minnesota, so I have a part two coming out.

very soon of the fraud because there's a whole other layer of that that we weren't even able to put into this first video and so we're working on that as well wow i nick i i hope you're staying safe we have the ural down there uh black line guardian fund dot com obviously uh here on this show the charlie kirk show we uh we take that very seriously and i please if you're watching this and you want to support Nick's work, help him with his security. It's really, really important. Blackline Guardian Fund.com. Please, please, please consider giving Nick some backing.

He's got to stay safe out there. And now his profile is larger than ever. So Nick, if you want to just mention that and has your ability to do your work on the ground, has it changed given just how much your profile has increased? Yeah, it's changed exponentially. So with that Blackline Guardian, it's actually a really cool. because it's just essentially a nonprofit that Officer Katam set up a while back and all the funds go directly to me.

So, like, right now I have security with me, and it's because of that. And it's essential because people are, I mean, people are doxing, like, me. They're doxing, like, members of my family. And so it's, like, actually very worrisome. I'm like, like, some Indian newspaper did a whole entire article doxing my family yesterday. I was like, what the heck? Yeah. And I don't put it in my family.

thing really like so it's like sad and it's like are you serious well i never wanted to have to have yeah no as nick i can say is uh somebody who's lived through doxing in the recent months it's a pretty terrible experience and when the family gets involved when they we start targeting family members it's it's awful so uh again please stay safe uh nick we can't wait for part two i know you got to run because you're you're uh chasing pirates right now you're on the road so uh you know God bless you. Stay safe. And thanks for making the time coming on the show. Of course. Thank you guys. Yeah. And, you know, thanks for being the last live guest on the show on 9-10, which is,

it's pretty creepy, but in some ways fitting, seeing the great things that you're doing now. So, you know, the baton has passed to a lot of people, and you're one of them, Nick. So Godspeed, my friend. Thank you. We need to carry all the legacy. Yeah, man. God bless you, guys. Bye-bye. See it. Nick Shirley. He's out literally right now. We were going to do it video and he calls me and he goes, hey, I can't do it because I'm out chasing pirates. Can I do a call in? You know, I just want to throw out this point that I think is very important, which it's good for us to expose the fraud that's going on with these daycare and Medicaid things. But also, we just shouldn't do this in the first place with people that we're bringing from the other side of the world. If they need infinite welfare for Medicaid, for daycare,

care for everything. They probably just shouldn't be here in the first place. Just, just deport. Deport. Deport. This is Lane Schoenberger, chief investment officer and founding partner of Y Reefi. It has been an honor and a privilege to partner with Turning Point and for Charlie to endorse us. His endorsement means the world to us, and we look forward to continuing our partnership with Turning Point for years to come. Now, hear Charlie in his own words tell you about Y-ReFi. I'm going to tell you guys about Y-ReFi.com. That is Y-R-E-F-Y-F-Y-F-Y. Why-R-E-Fi is incredible. Private Student Loan debt in America totals about $300 billion. Why-ReFi is refunded student loans. You can finally take control of your student loan situation with a plan that works for your monthly budget. Go to whyrefi.com. That is why refi.com. Do you have a co-borrower? Why refi can get them released from the loan.

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Charlie and your favorite moments of the past year, of course, before the tragedy, be sure to send those in. And we'll give a look at those. Yeah, Freedom at Charlie Kirk.com. I want to, as we're playing back the year in retrospective, the, I want to be, I want to be reading a lot of your emails. So please, Freedom at Charlie Kirk.com. Freedom at Charlie Kirk.com. And what a year it's been it's been a terrible year it's been a tragic year we've seen miracles we've seen god's provision in the midst of a terrible terrible storm and so and you guys in the audience have been a huge part of that your support i mean when we went to am fest blake i i actually didn't get to confer with you on this but at am fest it was i i think i was honest with the audience i said i

wasn't really looking forward to it this year i was kind of dreading it because it was the first one without charlie and then i you know went in kind of because i had to honestly and And you guys gave me so much love and support and encouragement. And I'm sure Blake, you experienced that too that proved me wrong was huge. And the members' podcast room was huge. And those episodes are dropping. So it's been amazing for your supports. All right.

So Blake, I was reflecting on Amfest and all the love we got. Did you get some attention there, Blake? Oh, a little bit, a little bit. I would always stop and take photos with people. I think that's a good rule. Charlie gave me. If someone wants to take a photo with you, always say yes. I think that's a good principle to follow.

I had to wear my blue blazer three days in a row, which might have stank a bit by the end. But I only have one notable blazer. I'm not going to wear some normal suit. That'd be lame. You know, Blake, I missed a good Christmas present for you. I should have you a gift card to Macy's. So you could go get your second Macy's place. You can't have, you can't just buy a copy of the blazer.

That's not. It doesn't work that way. Don't get the same one. I'm just, you know, I'm suggesting maybe branch out a little bit. We're going to get your, your glow up going on here soon, Blake. There's a clip here, though, I want to play. And, of course, I misplace it at 134. Tim Wall's saying there's organized crime in Minnesota.

What did he do about it? Nothing. You got organized crime? What are you doing? This is the Minnesota law, which mandates that anyone who knows a fraud and is a state employee must report that fraud. It's Minnesota Statute 3.971, subdivision 9. Not only that, but Walls is also guilty of misconduct of a public employee.

All right, Blake, you're the contrarian. We had her meet Dylan on yesterday. Everybody is calling for Tim Walts to either resign or they want an indictment. This stuff takes time. There's no doubt. You've got to build a case that is actually will hold up in court. What is a contrarian, as a little bit of a, you know, pump the brakes on, On the legal side, what do you think the odds are that we get some actual accountability at the top levels of the Minnesota government?

Oh, low, probably. They might try it, but I think the one trouble is, I'll be honest, is when people just bellow that they want someone arrested, sometimes, let's be real, our side sometimes goes off a little half-cocked. I think the most important thing is actually getting the fraud itself, which is all these daycares, which is all these facilities. If you were going to get someone at the top, I think the best shot would be Keith Ellison. Keith Ellison is clearly this sinister figure. He's very clearly a radical. He is dishonest. I mean, he did that whole posing with the Antifa handbook in 2020. He's a lunatic.

I think, and also I just don't think he's that smart overall. I think he's probably your best shot if you were going to bring down a major person. But it's going to be tough because in the end, a lot of this comes down to a traditional norm. have prosecutorial discretion. They knew this was going on and they just chose not to stop it. And the sad thing is, there's not that much you can do if someone, if they're not directly benefiting from the crime, they just don't care that it's happening because they like the people committing it. It's just like the police forces who let the rioter, you know, they abandoned a Minneapolis police precinct and let it get burned down. they let rioters just terrorize people. That stuff is morally abhorrent.

It's completely evil. But it traditionally, at least, is not something we normally prosecute as a crime, perhaps because it's basically unthinkable. And I guess I would just warn people the best way to make them accountable for this is to make sure we have a good campaign for governor in Minnesota and try to unseat him. And failing that, probably the best thing you can do if you're a Minnesota resident, is get out uh i know that's a frustrating piece of advice but it's uh if you look at the numbers minnesota's a state that it's absolutely bleeding anyone who's a taxpayer anyone who's a

functional member of society the left in minnesota is going all in on we should import as many refugees as possible we should admit as many parasites as possible and we should wage war on anyone who's functional who is law abiding who is a person you would want in your state and we're seeing the outcomes of that. Yeah, I didn't realize they were having a net outflow of productive citizens. One of the worst. They're like, they're like New York or California in terms of driving out people. No kidding. And that's really sad. Minnesota's historically been a pretty functioning state despite being a left wing state. Yes. They used to be one of the best. We have to admit it. And now they're not.

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