The Charlie Kirk Show - Courage is Contagious

Episode Date: January 1, 2026

llie Beth Stuckey reflects on why courage is contagious—and why continuing the fight matters, even after loss. In the wake of Charlie’s death, Allie shares how grief has strengthened her resolve to keep “slugging away” and pushing forward. She also takes live Q&A and addresses questions about faith, leadership, infighting, and staying grounded in truth during turbulent times. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com! Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Without further ado, we are going to welcome up one of my favorite people, one of Charlie's favorite people. She needs no introduction. Allie, Beth Stuckey. Hey, y'all. Hi. And Mikey McCoy, by the way. Hello.

How we doing? Mikey McCoy. This is my first, this is actually my first one with Mikey. You've done some other ones without me, but this is my first one. I know, I really missed you. It's an honor. We're so glad to have you. Thank you.

I'm glad to be here. You are a crowd favorite. You have a huge platform and you are a wonderful Christian model of, I would say, integrity, of courage. Thank you. You've had a courageous last couple months, I would say. Your whole career, certainly, but you have been a voice of truth, reason, fact. And you've taken the slings and arrows. So whatever in that intro that you want to get into, the floor is yours.

You've been a model of courage, though, for so many. Well, thanks. And courage is contagious, and courage begets courage. And I think a lot of us fancied ourselves as brave before Charlie died. But then something was just triggered in all of us in a really good way after we saw that. And any care that we had about what the world thought of us or really what anyone thought of us, or really what anyone thought of us, it just fell to the wayside. I know that I felt like that.

But even like my nieces and nephews and people I know in my life who weren't political before and maybe they weren't really digging into their Bible, they certainly weren't evangelizing, that has changed. And I just like want to remind everyone. I know there's been a lot of noise, a lot of disagreement, and it can feel very demoralizing. Like, is the revival that we thought was going to happen? Is it already over? It can feel like that.

until you talk to the everyday person and the conversations that I have with people that I work with or my friends or people that I know that I didn't know were interested in Christianity. They're like, yeah, I'm going to church now. Yeah, I just got baptized. Yeah, I heard the gospel and I believed it. So underneath all of the headlines, like there is a revival happening. And the Holy Spirit is making people more courageous. And I'm just happy that we still get to be a part of that.

Yeah, well said. I want to encourage everybody that maybe is asking those same questions. I've had the exact same experience that, you know, and I think it reflects now in the polling and still church attendance is still surging. Baptisms are still surging. And so, you know, I think sometimes when the light shines the brightest, the darkness tries to counter it. Yeah. One for one, it can't.

And I've said before that what God has unleashed, man cannot stop. Like the trains left the station, good luck stopping it. You can harass it. You can try and throw sticks and stones in its tracks, but it's just going to roll right over them. And so God's doing a great work here. And I think we need to have faith. And let the process play out, too, by the way, with the political commentators and the noise and the debates. Like, let it play out.

Like something good might just be happening underneath the surface, and we need to let that. We need to trust the Lord that he knows the next steps. But, Mikey, get in here. Yeah, I also think it's really exciting, though. And I keep saying this over and over again. but I, because I mean it, and it's so powerful that Charlie literally got murdered for speaking truth and using his free speech. Yeah. Free speech that oftentimes the left hated and then killed him for.

And you would think that when somebody is murdered for using their free speech, it would make others kind of pause and say, maybe I don't want to do that because I too could get killed. Right. But like here at Amfest, it's been so encouraging for me and for all of us to see record-breaking numbers of how many people are here for the first time, 80% of which, this is the first TPSA event ever. But then these students that are like fired up. And it's like the me next mentality.

Like I'll be the next one. Like put me on the stand. Like I'm ready to go. Because courage is contagious. And like when you see that, it fires you up for truth. And I think that the enemy wants us to think that the revival was hijacked or over. But in reality, it's playing out in different ways

that we don't even see behind the scenes. I mean, last week, Andrew, we were like down bad. We were down bad. So y'all were discouraged. Yeah. And then being here this week, it's like just so encouraging. I'll be super honest about it. On Thursday morning when I was getting ready to come down here,

I was not looking forward to it. I was like, just have to get through this. And then I'm going to be, then I can go be with my family and watch some Christmas movies. That's like what I want to do, right? Honestly, it's been a long year. this month, Charlie would say, Charlie would always say, it's been a, today's been a long week, you know, so, but anyways, so, but then when I got here and instantly felt it was, it was kind of like when we were at the memorial and you step in there and it was just like, boom, you can just feel it. And that comes from all of you guys. And I've been riding high ever since. Honestly, this has been the most life-giving couple of days and that I have experienced in, in a while. And so I'm, I'm completely encouraged. And I believe that the reach and the ripple effects of Charlie's martyrdom and is the assassination,

we are so far reaching and so unquantifiable that we're really on this side of eternity never really going to understand the reach and the impact that Charlie has really had. And by the way, people like you stepping into that shadow, which is my next question, stepping out from behind that shadow, I should say. You told me, no, feel free, this is not, this is, don't worry, this is not a live stream like that. I'm just, you told me that you had an initial reaction after Charlie was assassinated. Yeah. And then you changed, you transitioned to, let's just say, a more bold reaction. Yeah. What was your first reaction and then what changed in you?

Yeah, my initial reaction, so I got a text from my publicist. on my way to a doctor's appointment, and she said, I just heard that Charlie Kirk has been shot on college campus. And I was like, that's not true. That is just she heard that through someone and that's not true. But even if that is true, gosh, he got shot in the arm and that'll be terrible. But, you know, it'll be okay. He'll be fine. It's just my mind couldn't even go to that spot. But then I called one of our mutual friends who was crying, understandably on the other side. And he said it is true. I went through all the things that you've heard a lot. He might make it and then got a text saying he didn't make it. And my first reaction was like, I'm done. I'm not

doing this anymore. It's not worth it. I thought we were in a battle of ideas and we're not. We're bringing ideas and they're bringing bullets. This is not a war of words. Like this is a hot war. They've declared war on us. And then I talked to my dad. My dad, I talk to him every day and he's a wealth of wisdom for me. But he said, you know, when all of this clears, and like the emotions kind of settle down, you do have to ask yourself, what would Charlie say to you? Like, what would he say to you? And I'm like, I know what he would say, what he would say to any of us in the movement. And all of us are so blessed with like different encouraging texts that he would send to so many people over the years. And one of them I got, I had this negative article written about me in the Atlantic and I was all anxious about it.

But of course, Charlie texted me. and he said, huge honor, keep slugging. And my audience has heard me tell this story. And so now, like, whenever they can tell I'm feeling discouraged, they just say, keep slugging, keep slugging, keep slugging. It's almost become a motto. Like, that is, and now that's how I feel. Now I'm like, okay, like, he didn't die for nothing.

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Portions of our program are sponsored in part by TikTok. Well, and, you know, it's funny because a lot of people have their Charlieisms, you know, like Steve Deis is go Max, you know, or go hard. Go hard. Go Max is different. That's different. That's funny. But, you know, it is true. I mean, this, I think this is like hard for some people to probably hear, but like the night that Charlie was assassinated, there was a few of us in the hotel in Salt Lake City and we're sitting there, you know, stunned silence. And somebody just kind of had to like break the silence. because you know what do you say in this moment and somebody's like you know Charlie'd be really upset that we're not streaming right now and I was like okay probably true it's probably true yeah I mean and you know obviously that wasn't the expectation and it was a joke but it was a it was a kind of a hat tip to the way Charlie was wired and the way Charlie was wired he would run right into the story he would run right into the battle that was in front of you and

and he just had this endless energy and So when we ended up doing this stream on Friday, that I guess got seen over 35 million times or something insane, we knew we had to do that because it had to be us that honored Charlie that, like, spoke up for him in that moment. And you have done that as well. You had this moment where, you know, Charlie was giving you encouragement about your Jubilee debate. And that happened right after, right? Yep, it was two weeks after he died. It was the day before the memorial. Right.

And you struggled with whether or not you should keep that commitment. Yeah. I mean, the last place I wanted to be was surrounded by a circle of liberals in that moment. Just to be honest, we had a lot of security conversations before walking into this. But honestly, yes, like Charlie's wisdom was so vital. Holy Spirit was present 100%. But also to the credit of my opponents, they were 20 liberal Christians and one Christian conservative. And I got to make four claims and defend those claims.

and all 20 of them came up and tried to deconstruct it. But, and so I was nervous. And, but the, oh, thank you. Thank you. But the first guy came up to me, this, like, flamboyant gay man. And he came up to me, and it's so tense in there. I don't know if they tell the cast not to smile. No one is smiling.

It is hot. They don't have any air conditioning. They stop every 30 seconds to turn fans on. It is hot. I went there with Charlie. It's so hot. It's brutally hot. It is so hot.

like, and I watched Charlie's before, and they were so mean to Charlie. I was expecting that. And so this guy, he sits down and Charlie told me, he said, ask them all their name, because it throws them off. And so I did. But then he stopped and he said, I am so sorry about your friend Charlie. And that just, I can't take credit for that. Like that completely melted the tension. They didn't actually show that in the final cut of the debate. But three or four of them stopped and said, I'm so sorry about Charlie. And honestly, like, even in death, Charlie kind of made peace in that situation. That could have been really contentious.

The tension kind of melted away. I know the tension of that room. Yeah. It was hot. They were way meaner to Charlie. And it's in the hood, too. Yeah. It's in the hood.

Imagine Mikey just walking around the hood. Uh-huh. Yeah, exactly. Well, you look like you're from the hood. Yeah. So I'm sure it was familiar. Yeah. I give off hood vibes.

You do. You do. I was like Charlie, that one line, PBD. He's like, yeah, I'm just on the street all the time, PVD. Yeah, did you have a question? No, I just, I mean, you opened up kind of talking about how we're going to watch this play out. But I think it's really interesting to see

all the different personalities that are speaking at Amfest. Yeah. And Erica said at the other night. There's personalities at Amfest. Yeah, what? I haven't noticed that at all. People are acting like this is the first time we've ever had like, you know, disagreement. Disagreement. Yeah. Shade being thrown from stage. No, never. not at Amfest. But Erica came out yesterday and she was like, you know, you can say a lot about

Amfest. You can't say it isn't, it is boring. And she was like, it's like Thanksgiving dinner with family members, you know, like working out the family business. You're working out the family business. But I do want to kind of talk about, Tucker said in his speech, he said, if my brother goes on a drug-related murder spree, I will not denounce him. And that, I was like thinking about that all night last night. And then again this morning, because I love, my family. And I'm super close with my family. But then I'm also very invested in my morality and my values. And I was like, oh, Ali Stuckey's coming. I'll just ask her, what she thinks about it. Would you denounce me if I went on a drug-related murder spree?

You know what? I would denounce you for a lot less than that, Mikey. So definitely at that point, we're denouncing Mikey. So you're saying there's standards. There's standards. Okay. So I guess we could get into the semantics of what do you mean by denounce? of course you still love someone in your life like if your spouse especially the person that you're one person with like it would take a lot for you to publicly condemn them but you would like you would still love them and want what's best for them and all of that but you also want justice and you want truth just because we you know we subscribe to something that is higher than interpersonal loyalty and that is loyalty to the word of god even when it's true. really difficult. So yeah, I thought that was strange. I don't think I can get on board with that. Hopefully his brother doesn't do that. Yeah, let's hope no, because we don't recommend drug-related murder sprees. We don't. That needs to be sad. Disavow. I wasn't sure where you stood on that, Andrew, so thank you. You know, people are asking questions. So, so, but when we, when we,

when we talk about these disagreements within the movement, though, let's, let's keep them more within, okay, not murder, but with, you know, foreign policy, disagreements about Israel, disagreements about H-1Bs, disagreements about all of those things, health care. What do you, how do you navigate these issues? You know, Charlie was a big proponent of something he, you know, that we call prudence. And so how do you prudently choose to navigate the most contentious issues of the conservative movement of our day? Yeah, that's a good question. You know, I don't really talk that much about foreign policy, but if you listen to some of my critics, I am like the biggest Israel stand out there. Like it really doesn't matter what you say sometimes to some of

these critics. They will say that, you know, they'll just put, they'll project what they think about you on to you no matter what you say. So you have to just ignore that. Okay, that's part of prudence. And I'm sure that Charlie was really good at that of ignoring the people that are going to say what they're going to say no matter what the truth is. And my only question is what is true. what's factually true, but most importantly, what's biblically true. And if I really don't know the answer to that, then I don't always wait into those waters. And if I don't think it's a salvation issue, if I don't think it's an existential issue, then I'm going to do my best. Like I did an episode, for example, when Tucker Carlson and Ted Cruz had their battle over Israel.

And I just kind of navigated that. Here's what I think the Bible says about Israel. Here's what I think is a Christian. And here's what I think our obligation is. And, you know, it kind of pleased no one, but that's okay. And I don't have to pretend. Here's what I never do. I never pretend that I'm an expert on something that I'm not an expert on.

But if I know how to navigate something, if I feel like the Word of God is clear on something, then I'm going to go all in. Because Charlie and I, our last conversation on the podcast was about he loved to talk about woke pastors. That was like his favorite thing to ask me was about woke pastors. He had a special place for them in his. in his heart. And his contempt. And he, we talked about this concept of pastors thinking that they're nicer than God, just believing that they know better than God, that they're wiser than God, that they're

more compassionate than God. And he was like, that has to be the title of your next book. I'm good at this kind of thing. That needs to be the title, which is probably true. But the truth is, is that the most loving thing that we can do in all things is agree with God. And if I can find a way to agree with God when it comes to my politics or my cultural view, certainly my theology, then I'm going to do that as loudly as I can and try to help other people do that too. Christmas, yes, we can say Christmas. It's a time of giving and there is nothing better than knowing that what you give results in saving the life of an innocent baby.

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christmas call 833 850 2229 that's 833 850229 or click on the preborn banner at charlie kirk dot com but when it comes to the politics of it all and i know that you tend to be faith forward politics downstream of your faith which is i think the proper order but we're talking about the politics of it all the coalition building of it all the trump and j d vans of at all. Does this sort of fight that we're seeing play out in a public way, this family business, because it's different, right? We all know that, like, you know, trans and kids is bad, right? We all know that, like, these ones are the easy ones. It gets harder when it's, when you're sort of so-called shooting inside the tent. So what do you make of that? Do you think this is healthy

for the movement? Do you think this is just a sign of a healthy immune system and the antibodies fight? Or do you think this is a sign of a lack of health? Do you think this is dysfunction? You know what? it's hard to say exactly what my rule is in waiting into these conflicts. So we can just say, like, when it comes to the Ben and Megan disagreement, like, I'm not probably going to wait in and say, well, like, I'm on this side. I'm on this side. Both of these people are my friends. And I don't see something within that disagreement that I'm like,

Ali Stuckey has to speak up on that or else she's a coward. Now, I might if it comes to that or if things evolve. But when it came to, this is members only, right? Like when it came to the Candace thing, I, you know, put that off for a while, for a lot of different reasons. I didn't want to say anything. But then she started talking about Mikey and that really bothered me. But then she also started speaking about things that I had personal knowledge about, like how turning point events work and things like that. And I felt an obligation to my audience who was constantly asking me, what do you think about this?

A lot of them watch her and love her. Of course, she's super entertaining and popular. But they're like, what do you think about this? Can you give me some clarity on this? And I've always had clarity as kindness. And if I am purposely not offering clarity where I know my audience needs it, then I am probably being cowardly, which is why I ended up trying to speak up about that. So I guess it's case by case.

Trying, I think you succeeded in speaking up. Well, I, you know, I said what I said. And I totally stand by it. You certainly did do that. I totally stand by it. And, yeah, yeah, innuendo is non-investigation. And that's where I stand. I mean, I shouldn't have interrupted you.

Enuendo is not investigation. Yeah, and I think it's an instance where, you know, I said this to somebody just moments ago, that what I actually think is happening in the movement is two parallel tracks. I think there's an ideological debate that's unfolding. But I also think it's, you know, you have to understand how we got to this moment

where we had media that was contained for so long in this country inside the legacy box, right? You know, we had CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, and then eventually Fox, and that was kind of it, right? And then it exploded out of that. We have independent creators. We have independent-minded YouTubers and streamers and podcasters, and they are getting a bigger and bigger, bigger chunk of the pie. But it's sort of the Wild West still. There's no established rules, right?

Washington Post has to publish its editorial controls and the standards and ethics that it's going to, well, you know, it's going to abide by, right? And same with New York Times, same with Fox News. In the world of online content creation, there are no standards or ethics. And you've seen sort of the platforms trying to impose those. There was massive backlash against censorship, against hate speech, whatever that is. And so what you're actually having is this debate is raging because there's not an agreement about how to responsibly create content online, especially when your platforms become huge, right? And there's certain people that think you knew to apply certain standards and ethics to fact.

an innuendo and there's certain people that think well we're you know it's all kind of free game so that I think is actually the thing that needs to settle that is the the the sifting that is also happening underneath what you think is this debate against he said she said or I'm friends with this person so I'm not it's it's actually deeper than that and it's it's a more structural problem in my opinion I don't know if you agree with that or not but yeah I think those are really good points I think the issue that we have on the left and the right and now the right is that our disagreements have become very fundamental we're asking asking questions, like, what is an American, which I think is a really good thing to debate.

We have to define our terms, but we're also debating, like, what is truth? What is truth? Like, how do we seek truth? What counts is truth? And it looks like we've got different definitions, not only on the right and the left, but even within what is considered the right. And I do think the only way is to hammer that out and hash that out. But it'll be interesting to see how that shapes up.

Do you want to do some Q&A? Or did you have a question? No, no, no, you guys, you said it great. I would just also add, I mean, under the Biden minister. we kind of unified under, you know, if you would trip, you know, we would all go on social media and talk about it at length. But I think now we've kind of been broken into like three factions is you have the administration who's really focused on just everything they're doing in the government, foreign policy, and everybody who's really hyper-analizing that. And then you

have the greater populist movement on the right who's still debating these ideas. And then you have to also remember that the audience who likes to ask questions is these are people like even me, you know, who came out of California during, you know, the COVID lockdowns and my dad was going to be arrested for opening his church. These people I've been lied to about the election. They've been lied to about COVID. And so they are looking for somebody to ask questions about everything. Yeah. And so there's an audience for that as well. So there's, we're all separated right now because we're all separated, there's tons of infighting because we don't have a unified enemy right now.

And so right now we're just kind of focusing on fighting each other instead of focusing on a unified enemy. Governing's hard. Yeah, clap for that. I totally agree. Yeah, very wise. The hope is that when we get to 2026

and especially in 2028, a lot of these, the infighting hopefully will fade away because we're going to be having to defeat AOC nominee or Jasmine Crockett or. The content that will come out of the AOC, I mean, it's going to be great. I mean, that will be a crystallizing moment for everybody, a very clarifying moment for everybody. Let's do some Q&A for Allie. Emma's got the mic.

Hi, my name is Amanda. I have listened to Rush since I was in the womb. And I, once Rush passed, I didn't have a home. Found the Charlie Kirk Show. So thank you guys for continuing. I really appreciate it. My question. I'm a nurse and a mom, and I'm just sitting here watching you guys, and I worry about you guys as people.

How can I be praying for you all? That's very sweet. Well, thank you so much. And just thank you for being a light in a dark world. The medical system, unfortunately, you know, isn't always the brightest place. So thank you for doing what you do. Well, you know, I can't speak for everyone, but pray, yes, of course, for protection and things like that. We're always praying for that.

But also just pray for courage to do the next right thing. That's all any of us are ever trying to do, do the next right thing in faith with excellence and for the glory of God. That's the motto that I try to live by. And sometimes that takes courage. There's not a lot of courage in being complacent and going with the flow, but all of us in this room have decided that going with the flow got us to a really bad place. And swimming upstream can be hard.

So pray for courage, not only for us, but for people like you too. Because we have a job to say the things that we say and do the things that we do that are considered controversial. You could lose your job for doing that. So really, my respect goes to you for the sacrifices you make for the truth. So thank you. Yeah. Hi, Allie. How are you guys doing?

Hi. My name is Ian. I'm from North Idaho. And I just want you to kind of elaborate more on how we don't have a common enemy when Charlie Kirk was shot. by a leftist, trans-loving person. Like, how is that not a common enemy right now when they literally shot him for talking? Oh, I didn't say that we don't have a common enemy.

Can we elaborate on that, like how we don't have a common enemy, I guess, is what I was hoping to find on for... Oh, are you saying that some people are asserting that or you believe that we don't have a common enemy? I believe we have a common enemy with this, and it's like... Yes, I agree with you.

I actually think we were all saying we have a common enemy. It's about how we're getting distracted by the things we disagree about amongst the coalition on the right, the larger coalition. And so it just doesn't feel maybe as prominent to some people because all the clickbait, all the stuff people are clicking on and posting about is infighting. So it just doesn't, it's just not as prominent. But I think when the calendar of the election comes into more focus for people, that will probably be a clarifying moment. It will refocus people that are currently distracted. I'm not distracted. We're not distracted. Yeah, we agree.

You guys weren't distracted. No, no, no, no, no. We're mission, mission, mission around here. Like, we do our level best to stay focused on the mission at hand. And that's midterms, midterms, midterms, no transing our kids, mass migration. But let me just encourage you just for a second, because I know that the distractions and the division is demoralizing. But I like to use this analogy. On the left, when your goal is just destruction, you don't have to agree on the tools that you use.

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Go to Y-R-R-E-F-I-F-Y-F-Y dot com. Private student loan debt relief, Y-Refi.com. Hi, Ellie, how goes? My name is Jonathan. I'm actually working on getting on different podcasts that I really want to give a lesson on opposing abortion and what a godly marriage looks like. Okay. Can you just enter your email and see if you'd like that?

You know what? I have my assistant is somewhere over here. If you have a card or something, if you can, if you can give, I probably won't. But someone else can enter that information. I do too. The hustle's great. The initiative, yeah. Yeah, no, I really do too.

And any pro-life voice that we can get, I appreciate so much. Got one back there, Emma. So I have a question because after, Charlie Croaker died, I feel one of two ways. A lot of us wanted to speak out and a lot of us wanted to hide. I'm caught in the middle where it's, I want to speak out, but there's also fear. So my question for you is, how do you get rid of that fear of wanting to speak out and like just like push forward through it? Because like I'm really, I really try to fight people pleasing, but I can find myself in it

where it's like, not that I'll say what people want to hear, but I'll just keep my thoughts to myself because I'm just like, oh, well, that I know that'll like piss them off basically. And so like, I'll try to like either put it out or just like

put it, brush it under the rug, but I really want to like with Charlie dying. Like, it was very encouraging for me because it was like he did for my generation, what a lot of people wouldn't have done. And he put his life literally on the line for our generation. And it's just encouraging that, like, he did that for us. And so I want to step up like he did and finally start speaking out about things, especially

it's scary because I live in Illinois. So, like, it's very blue. And when you speak out about politics, you're hated for it. Because Chicago is not a safe place. I worked for public safety on my campus. And so I've heard what goes on in the city. Right. Even on the news, you just see all of the horror that is caused by that.

And so just kind of, yeah, what's your advice for, like, pushing past that? Yeah. Would you all say that Charlie got more courageous over the last five years? Oh, yeah. And how would you say that he became more courageous? I think part of it was getting married and then also having kids. Yeah. Yeah.

And he realized that he had something bigger to defend than just himself. Yeah. The future for his children. Yeah. Don't beat yourself up about struggling with fear and people pleasing. That is part of being human, but it is something to fight against. We don't want to live in a world or lead a life in which people are big and God is small. And people's opinion of us loom large, where God's opinion is really a lot smaller.

to us. And so it takes practice. That's the thing. I don't know if Charlie would say the same thing, but people ask me, are you nervous when you do X, Y, Z? Well, not as much anymore. And it's not because of some like magic or anything. It's because I practiced it. But you have to practice courage. And that means taking a risk. That means saying the thing, even when you don't really know what to say and it's not perfect. So courage takes practice, but courage is also contagious. So when you step out encourage other people do too and then it makes it less scary yeah and by the way um the the number one verse that people have sent me i don't know if i said this earlier but it's worth saying is just saying hi to the photographer over there did you send me this verse too no sorry you're waving

to me no um is uh Joshua 1-9 yeah be strong and courageous and i have literally hit my knees multiple times since Charlie died and just asking God to give me more courage and give me more wisdom. So it's okay if it's hard. Yeah. That's what courage is. If it wasn't hard, it wouldn't be courage. Yeah, but also in like a world that's evil and filled with lies, if the world's constantly

agreeing with you and affirming your behavior, that means you are living a life of lies in darkness and evil because it's affirming the actions that it desires, affirming the actions of the world that it's in. So when you actually do what's right and are a bright light in this dark world and actually bringing truth to lies, that's not a very popular thing. Well, yeah, I mean,

rejoice in your suffering. Yeah, Charlie was a prophet. And what do they do to prophets? Yeah. I mean, that's a bitter pill to swallow, but Charlie has a really big throne and really big mansion in heaven right now. I've got to believe it.

And, and chart, that clip where Charlie said, you know, he's called to confront the lies with the truth and to proclaim the truth. And he wanted to be known for courage for his faith. So Charlie's a guy that said yes to the Lord and like went all the way. Yeah. Next question. Hi, Ellie. So I read your book, Toxic Empathy. And one of the things I'm noticing is social work as an organization is probably evil at this point or they're all brainwashed. So I was a social work student

and I had asked Charlie for some advice and I heard many social work students ask them for the same advice and he told me to stand up, you know, tell the truth. And I did that and I was kicked out for it. And so we're fighting the transing the kids movement. We're fighting the universities but I don't see much of fighting the social work

because they're in their universities, They're in the police departments, and they're by themselves, DCFS. In Illinois, California, I know for sure, if you don't use your child's pronouns, they can take your kids from you. And I just don't hear that many people talking about social work and how ingrained that this is. And so I was wondering, you know, can you guys all give it a platform and what we can do to fight the organization?

Social workers, teachers, nurses, and therapists. attract the best people in the world and the worst people in the world. And it is because it involves vulnerable people. And there are two kinds of people that are attracted to the vulnerable person, and that's the person that wants to help them and the person that wants to hurt them. And so that's what we see in those helping professions. And that's not to say that all those progressives that go into social work have bad intentions. They don't realize they're being demomically led to support the idea of,

a child being born in the wrong body. But you're right, we do need to speak up about that. And don't think that you're speaking up for the truth was for not just because you got kicked out. You have no idea how God used that courage. What seed you planted? Who heard you that initially hated you? But 50 years from now, God could use that moment that you're not even thinking about anymore in someone else's life when they remembered that person stood up for that and he was right. God uses those seemingly unseen and unsung moments in eternity. And you will only see when you get to the other side of glory how that moment of courage

where you felt like you were risking everything worked into someone else's testimony. So don't look at the world's affirmation of you as like a meter for your success, right? Because obviously they crucified Jesus. They stoned Stephen. and the world is going to reject us. And that is actually a sign that we're doing something right. Jesus said, woe to you when all people speak well of you. Wow, I'm doing great.

We're all doing. We're all doing great then. So just remember that. We got to wrap up, Allie, because she's got places to go and people to see and great things to do. I'm going to prove me wrong. Oh, I love it. You're going to love that. I can't wait.

So everybody, Allie, best, Stuckey. Thank you so much. One more time.