The Charlie Kirk Show - Debates From the Archive - Charlie on Abortion

Episode Date: November 8, 2025

Charlie was challenged on abortion more than any other issue. Now, listen to a compilation of his most viral and most compelling debates about why human life matters from conception.   Enjoy this installment of Charlie’s most memorable college campus interactions at his Prove Me Wrong events. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com!  Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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As you see, I'm wearing a bag of hat. You probably know who I'm voting for in this election cycle. But something you preach and a lot of what you say is interpersonal wisdom and being able to come to your own decision. on things, which you and I very much agree on. Something I want to clarify your stance on with regards to, like, abortion rights, for example, is around 75% of Americans believe that in a case of rape or incest that women should have the reproductive rights and be able to choose in what they do with a child, which obviously is really sad with regards to those circumstances. But I wanted to know what are your thoughts on that.

Should a woman who is forced into a case of rape or incest and impregnated unholy in a terrible situation, should they be forced to have the child, or do you think they should have their on reproductive riots. Okay, yeah, my stance is really clear is that human rights don't stop based on the method of how they're conceived. And I have to say first and foremost, no one wishes rape upon anybody or incest that's terrible and awful and evil and tragic. And the rapists themselves should be castrated and probably given the death penalty. Just to set the table on my belief. But if I were to tell you as a thought experiment, somebody in this audience was conceived in rape, who is it? Good question.

One out of 200 people roughly with regards to the statistics. Exactly. Somewhere from one half to one percent of those people. So that means that there's a couple people in this audience that were conceived in rape. Do they get less human rights because they were conceived in rape? Of course not. And where generally speaking my question lies is does it lie with in regards to the woman? Because I think we can both agree that a woman, it takes a lot of like a toll on their body.

Their body changes forever after pregnancy. And should the woman have the choice to be able to go through with an abortion, in the first trimester. You can imagine my answer. The argument you made is the best argument for why termination should potentially be an option. However, I don't believe it should be because human rights do not stop based

on the method of how somebody is conceived. It is an unpopular view that I have, but I must be consistent. And I'll make one of the thought experiment here. People can disagree. I have an ultrasound here and an ultrasound here. The first ultrasound is a loving couple that wanted to have the baby. The other ultrasound is

from rape. Which one is which? you can't tell the difference because they're both human and they both deserve human rights and so I would not use the language force a woman to bring it to term however in the term of rape that is probably unfortunately the right term because she did not invite that in her when the other circumstances there was a voluntary decision but we again you have to be consistent in the application of justice and that includes in prenatal justice in prenatal care which is obviously what happens when a baby is in utero and when you apply human rights you don't get to choose whether or not the human gets rights, whether or not how that baby actually came into the world.

Okay, do you mind if I ask a follow-up? Yes, you're done. Okay, so something, another thing you preach, and, Grant, I've been following you for a long time. You're an awesome person is that men should be able to shepherd and protect the women in their lives, you know? I want to ask you a kind of difficult question. If your wife, unfortunately, was attacked in some sort of way, incestuous or was rape, would you ask her to go through with that pregnancy? I mean, I've already answered that publicly. In fact, it was even more graphic.

They said my 10-year-old daughter, which is, you know, you're more graphic. And, again, this is a personal private decision that I will say, in our family, we believe. that under no circumstances unless absolutely vet by multiple doctors medical necessary would abortion ever happen. Okay. That is our own family's values, right? And again, God forbid that it would ever happen to a woman in my life, right? But again, my family's values is that when we look at a baby on the ultrasound, that is a baby that we are tasked to over, to look after and to grow and to shepherd. And so yes, to be consistent, that is how we would treat it. And the alternative would be then we would do what I think is termination or murder, which I would not be able to live with in that circumstance.

Again, these are very heavy and personal issues, and again, that's our own family personal perspective on that very complicated issue. Yeah, no, I understand. So, yeah, where I disagree personally is with regards to, I would feel, I would fail as Lepard or as a shepherd of my future girlfriend if something happened to her. And I don't know, like, morally how I would feel, you know, putting another human on this earth, you know, that is, you know, part of that's not me. I understand they have human rights, and I love the conception of life as much as you do, but you have that person who has all the same human rights as someone else, but they could have been conceived in a way in which that was not loving, you know, as an evangelical Christian. And again, but the method of how the baby is conceived is not,

it's not determinative of the value or the rights that the baby gets, right? The baby still will eventually have free speech rights, Fourth Amendment rights, rights to voting, therefore it also has a right to life. And so, again, we must be equally consistent in how we apply, it and in that case in that instant most Americans disagree with me that's fine but it is still a human being it is a life made and again

this is where the spiritual element comes in is that baby made in the image of God or not it is and therefore if it's made in the image of God therefore we have a moral obligation not just a moral right to protect that baby from termination okay so thank you

thank you appreciate your hand sir yeah of course yeah thank you appreciate it thank you I appreciate your I've been watching recently about how college should be thinking about what is good, what is beautiful, things like that. I really appreciate that. And I'm actually pro-life, and I want to ask you about your stance on that portion of your ideas. So specifically when talking about birth control, summer birth control can cause abortions, right, with hormonal birth control, correct? Yes, it can, but it's a little more nuanced than that, because it doesn't technically, it prevents a fertilized egg from attaching to the uterine wall.

it does not terminate a fertilized egg that's already attached to a uterine wall by preventing the release of progesterum. That's true. So, yes, I just want to be clear, it's not technically classified in abortifacient. I'm not making an excuse for hormone or both control. I just want to be very clear that just because you're taking hormone or birth control does not mean that you're necessarily enacting an abortion. Does that make sense? I guess, wouldn't that still cause that fertilized egg that made me to die? Yeah, it can, yes, but the distinction is also, it's very, it's important to know this,

the distinction is you don't know if it has attached to the wall, if that makes sense. So you don't know if you're pregnant, because you're technically not pregnant until it attaches to the wall. But yes, I don't know, what is your question on hormonal birth control? Do you think hormonal birth control should, we should stop using that because of that possibility? I've decided to no longer have strong opinions on this topic because I got a lot of people angry. I will say this, which is very rare. young ladies should read the peer-reviewed literature by Democrats, liberals, and many other people

that show how, let's just say, damaging hormonal birth control is to a female's brain and body. That's not my opinion. Other people should look at it. When I talk about it, I get ravaged. And I understand, I actually believe in male-female distinctions. So actually, I'll never take birth control, so I should be careful kind of venturing into that lane, right?

So I think those distinctions actually matter. Everyone should make their own decision. But if you look at just the warning pamphlet, that is associated when a young lady is prescribed hormone or birth control, it is, it's like, it's like a map of the world. I mean, it's all, it is, it is, it is, you guys know what I'm talking about, paragraph through paragraph, and we overprescribe hormone birth control for pimples, acne, controlling your periods. I don't even, you know that, but it is way, way overprescribed in this country.

And I think people need to know the downsides, and there's a huge movement that is bipartisan, but mostly the, mostly the conservatives, that is trying to encourage women to get a hormone to both control. Mm-hmm. And then I have one question about what you said earlier about with evolution or like the age of the earth. Do you think that evolution could be possible with the Bible? Yeah, potentially. I'm not, I'm, I don't believe in evolution, but I'm open to the belief that it's possible. Okay. I'm satisfied with that. And so I do, I 100% believe in adaptation. That is, that is completely viewed by the human eye and by evolution is a faith belief. And the faith might be correct, which means that there's a species change. We just haven't been. been around long enough to see that species change we can assume it we can um it can um it can be implied but we have never seen or witnessed um for example a non homo sapian becoming a homo sapian right is that that makes

sense yep um but there are lots of christians i respect that believe in god ushered evolution that evolution is god's intent and that is how we came here i i have no problem with that if it's i don't hold that belief i believe we are designed as is as it says in the scripture but if you of that belief, I'm not here to tell you you're wrong. Do you want to sign this hat? Yeah, sure. Yeah, great. Thank you. Okay, yes.

Disagreements, welcome, and we'll keep going. Hi, Charlie. So my question for you was basically just about, like, I know that a lot of your viewpoints on social issues like abortion and LGBTQ rights are probably driven by your faith, right?

so my question to you would be what if someone has a different faith and therefore they innately like they disagree with what you believe like what your faith says yeah it's a good question so i believe it because of divine revelation but i use i convince people with reason so i never use scripture to someone who doesn't share my view as a reason as to why they should believe what i believe for example i believe abortion is wrong and it's murder i can give you a scriptural argument, which will not apply to you, that everyone's made in the image of God, and I knew you before you're knitted in the womb, but I will give you a biological one that can be agreed upon using reason. Okay, and then in the case of, like, LGBTQ issues, what would

your argument be for someone who has a different perspective or a different faith? What perspective? Which, which in particular? Any of it, like same-sex marriage? Yeah, I mean, again, I've done the same-sex marriage one a lot, but I mean, how about the trans one? I mean, the trans one's pretty easy, right? I mean, we just went through that using reason and science and rationality, saying that what is the being, what is the purpose of the being, what does it exist to be, what is it biologically? And so everything I believe is supported and rooted in foundational in scripture,

but I can defend using reason and agreed upon exterior evidence. And what if my faith directly contradicts your faith? That's fine. You have to use reason to then, though. For example, I mean, if you come after, it and you say, you know, my faith says, I'm, you know, I'm Aztec and I think that we can sacrifice kids. I say, that's wrong. So tell me why you think that's right. But here's the thing is that there is, at some point you need an agreed upon moral dimension. And in

America, we have a Judeo-Christian, largely Christian moral dimension that has built the West. Murder is wrong. You can't take people's stuff. You have individual rights, universal human equality. These things do come from a Christian viewpoint. They're not just derived out of nature. They do come from revelation. And I'm sure you believe all those things. So as long as as we believe those things fundamentally and foundationally, we then can compare all of our issues to those things. And I agree with a few of those, but on the notion of, like, universal equality, would you believe that you are innately treating women as equal when you're stripping them of their bodily autonomy? Well, yes. I mean, first of all, we're not stripping anybody to their bodily autonomy because that baby has bodily autonomy, right?

So by definition, an abortion strips that baby of bodily autonomy. So I care about the bodily autonomy of both the woman and the unborn baby that she's hosting. That unborn baby is a fetus inside of the woman. Right. So a fetus literally means, it's just another term, for offspring or it's a stage of human development. But what do you mean by fetus? Like just because if it's small, why does it not have moral value? It's a part of the woman's body that she has a constitutional right to.

Well, it's attached to. It's not part of. so there's an umbilical cord that attaches one being to another that doesn't mean that it is the mothers it is a separate DNA correct so it's its own being own fingerprints own identity you are not your mother nor your father you're your own thing and so the bodily autonomy universal human equality means the mother gets rights and the baby gets rights and they're universally equal so so just because the mother is larger more developed happens to be stronger does not mean she gets to terminate the baby how does force her to give birth, then give her any autonomy when she has to go through nine months of that torture. Well, again, well, it's

yeah, it's not torture for all women. In fact, it's a blessing for a lot of people. For some, yes, but what if they didn't get that choice? What if they were raped? Okay, no, so, yeah. So, again, I believe all babies should be protected regardless of rape or incest, but then can we agree that all abortions except rape should be outlawed?

No, I don't agree with that. Okay, yeah, so then why do you, it's funny, but you always bring up the rape thing as a, as a, it's less than one percent of all the cases. But let's, but didn't the woman then therefore make a decision to get pregnant when she had sex? So she had bodily autonomy and she decided to use her bodily autonomy to get pregnant. No, because she could have been using contraception. That could have failed. But no, but she just, yeah, she decided to have sex. Uh, making the decision to have sex isn't the same as making the decision to reproduce. Uh, wait, well, um, hold on.

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Okay, so let's play out that moral argument. I have a two-year-old at home. If I lose my job and all of a sudden I'm bankrupt, can I terminate my two-year-old because I can no longer support her? You should not terminate her. Why should I not be allowed to? You kept her, she was born, now she's your child, and as a parent, you have a responsibility towards her. So at what point, at what point did my daughter become a human being? I would say when she had the ability to survive outside of your wife's body, independently. Okay, so, but what do you mean by survive? My daughter still can't hunt or gather, still can't go grocery shopping, still can't make her own food, so she can't survive without either of us.

When she had the ability to breathe by herself, when she had the ability to... So the doctors told us that there was a potential that my daughter might need a breathing machine. Was she born? Was she not human? She was born. Yes. And she can survive with medical aid, but say you take a fetus out at, what, 10, 12 weeks. They can't survive. Yes, but just, I want to understand this. Just because of being can't support without supportive care, does that make them not human? No, but at a certain point in the pregnancy, they cannot survive, even with that care. They cannot survive in humans and say that lot.

No, but I know, but survive. A baby will. die within a couple days without nourishment and die with like almost starving in depth in 24 hours. A baby always needs external care throughout the process of development, whether it be at 10 weeks or 15 weeks, 20 weeks or 30 weeks. I'm just curious when all of a sudden

does the magic switch happen when the baby becomes human? Like I said, when it can survive independently of the body. So before not human and then after human. Sure. So then before what is it called? What species is that? I'm just, is it, is it a dolphin, a giraffe, a crocodile? Like, what species is it? Because it's not human. You said, you said it's not human. So before that, what species is it? I would just describe it as a human fetus. Once again, not a human, not necessarily a human, like, fully grown person. Okay, but... Or, like, just a fully developed person. Yeah, but a five-year-old is not fully grown or developed. In fact, brains do not fully develop till 25 years old, so a lot of people in this audience don't have fully developed. You're still developing. So, so, but under that argument, development is a problem.

that takes many, many decades, actually, a decade and a half. So why do we apply that logic and that morality? Just because something is smaller or inconvenient, we can terminate that thing. I think a good point would be to make that, like a good point to make would be that once the baby is separate from the mother, like fully separate out of the body, then you can consider that baby like an independent human being. Okay, so then abortion okay all the way up through the process of development, even if the baby can feel pain. people don't get they don't traditionally get abortions in the second or yeah there's about 30,000 a year actually and so you should know that but that's okay in the third trimester and it's legal in six

states across the country this state being one of them uh and six states and then the district of Columbia but I just I just want to be very clear though and it's important that we're having this that when a woman says hey I'm pregnant I'm having a what baby not a fetus because when the baby is born it's a baby got it so but help me understand when a woman is pregnant and she points to her stomach she says there's a baby here and then another woman wants to go to abortion clinic she says there's a fetus here why is it morally okay that we say that a woman can view this as a baby and that as something that's just a clump of cells shouldn't there be an independent truth that is applicable to all beings well that's the thing about the pro choice argument is

that you have the choice. If you want to abort, you can. If you don't want to, you don't have to. But let's play this out. What you're saying, though, is that human existence is merely subjective based on who is more powerful than you. Not necessarily based on who's more powerful. Well, think about it. You can argue that it is subjective.

Because the mom is more powerful than the baby. The mom is more developed, has agency, has reason. The baby does not yet have that. So to play that out, the pro-choice argument is a eugenics argument, being whoever is in charge has the power to eliminate whomever they want, if they're an inconvenience to you.

How is that any morally different than Adolf Hitler and Nazi Germany? Were all of the Jews a part of Hitler? Well, you know what? It's very interesting. They called the Jews parasites, and a lot of pro-abortion people call fetus as parasites. In fact, I had a recent debate where in the literature of the Planned Parenthood,

they will call it parasites. The Jews were called the parasites and a stain on German culture. therefore to be eliminated and so the same moral philosophy that govern Nazi Germany is the same moral philosophy that is used for poor abortion arguments I can do what I want as long as I'm more powerful

the argument is that you have control over your own body which but again it's but what about the body that is also in you does that baby have rights no not inside not while it's inside the body

doesn't have rights wow Even though you have a heartbeat, brain waves, no rights. Not well inside of the uterus. Okay. So, no, I just want to be very, one more thing that I think is really important. If it wasn't killing and or murder, which of course it is, why is it that you have to stop a heart from beating? what do you mean so there's a heart beating yeah and then you have to stop the heart beating

okay how is that not killing it could be oh so it is killing even if it is i am still okay with abortion in a hypothetical experiment let's just play this out it's actually not hypothetical i want to make sure we're clear do you think that it should be legal if my wife and i get the pregnancy test back, and we find out we're having a woman, a baby girl, and we say we don't want a girl, should I be able to terminate that baby? It's called sex selective abortion.

I'm aware. India made it illegal to get a screening just because of that. I'm aware. It's legal in America, should it be? I don't know. Do you think so? Of course not. How about you? Maybe America should just make

gender reveals illegal you know finding out the sex of the baby wait hold on one more one more I find out that my baby has down syndrome shall be able to terminate the baby it's your decision you have no different moral philosophy

than Joseph Goebbels and Adolf Hitler next person it's amazing the heartlessness of like oh yeah just discard them when you dehumanize a population it's easy to murder them

they're booing me not you I know I know my name is Zoe and I wanted to ask you about something you said earlier about how Christianity the loss of faith of Christianity is shaping our country in a poor way yes yeah so do you what do you think about the separation of church and state um well it doesn't

exist but um but shouldn't it no why well because it's not constitutional uh there's the establishment clause and then a free expression clause but i mean let's forget that we should you agree we should have separation of morality and state that's the more important question see that's an interesting topic because morality is a much broader question than religion Because I'm thinking specifically with us being from a Western culture, Christian background, and with the First Amendment, freedom of religion is part of that. No, for sure. Yeah, but you have a misunderstanding, I think, and that's okay, of separation of church and state.

Basically, it was a single letter. Hold on. What's my misunderstanding? I was getting there. Where is it from? Tell me. What? The phrase. The separation of church and state? I was about to tell you, but interrupted me.

You want to tell me? Yeah. Okay. It's a single letter that Thomas Jefferson wrote in 1803, 0. three to the Danbury Baptist Convention, assuring them that the government would not come after them. It was resurrected by the Warren Court and in the Burger Court to then be used as this fictitious thing that Christianity cannot be involved in our government. That's all fine. You don't have to agree with that. The point is this, is that our laws or custom and traditions are built on

Judeo-Christian norms, specifically the Ten Commandments. And I want you to tell me which of the Ten Commandments, maybe you agree or disagree, should not be the baseline of the American tradition or country. Because it is the best way to live. The Ten Commandments objectively creates the best societies. You follow the Ten Commandments, your society will flourish. But do you think Christianity is the best thing for a country to follow? Of course. We have the agency for people to reject it or accept it. It's not by force. That's what a free society is all about.

But yes, a Christian society, of course, is the best society. Absolutely. Because this country was once Christian, it was a way better Christian country than it is now. And now we are, why do you think we're the most depressed, suicidal, alcohol addicted, drug addicted, aimless country, generation, country in the Western world. It's largely because we're very, very secular. Do you blame

that on a loss of faith, or is that something with modern society, with how we have technology is such a big part of our lives and we're no longer engaging with people as much? It's not necessarily that Christianity is the best, but having community is more important. Well, yeah, I mean, Christianity gives you community, right? You go to church, you have community.

But is that the only option? I believe it's the best, though. I mean, you seem to have a negative view of Christianity. is that? I grew up. I went to private Catholic school. Where? Portland Oregon. So something with that is... It just rubbed you the wrong way, maybe. It did. I know, I mean, a lot of Catholics that were raised that way and they don't like it. Well, it's the whole Catholic guilt thing. And then I actually, I love Catholic guilt. I think, I think it's amazing. But yeah, I think, I think that you like about it. I think that you should believe there's a God that judges you and that you're not the

center of the world and that you have to repent for what you've done wrong and that you need a savior. I think that all that's really important actually. I think that believing you're the center of the universe creates narcissism and suicidal behavior. And I think that knowing that like, hey, I've fallen a lot this week and I repent in my failures, in my deeds, what I've done, what I've failed to do is actually really amazing and important. And it requires us to go to the cross. And I think that's really healthy. So do you think that with any sort of downfall or any crime that happens that if someone repents enough that they can make up for it? Yes or no. I believe all sins can be forgiven in God's economy. And I believe in transformation for sure. That's the, that's the promise of Christianity.

but do you think we have a guilt problem in this country or do we have a narcissism problem in this country? I think both. Yeah, we don't have a guilt problem in this country. No way. Yeah, we have a narcissism problem. We do not have people walking around feeling guilty for what they've done. We have people that shout their guilt from, what is their guilt from the rooftops bragging about the nonsense that they've done, right? Yeah. We have people shouting their abortions, live streaming, shoplifting stores, talking on how they don't honor their parents anymore. I think that's bad. And so, again, I believe in a God that loves us and a God that judges. us. And both those things are simultaneously true. Do you believe in a fair God? I believe in a loving God.

And our God is a God of justice and a God of mercy and a God that loves us so much that gave us a second chance and a more importantly a chance of eternal life, one that we don't deserve, one that we haven't earned. So do you think that having Christian values and laws is something that's okay? Something that's a big topic that's talked about a lot today is like abortion and that how there's a lot of laws that are made with this Christian idea. Yeah, again, abolishing abortion is not just a Christian idea. Christopher Hitchens was famously an anti-abortion advocate, okay, and he was an atheist,

but yes, I do believe all abortion should be illegal. What do you think about with medical complications? Because you even said yourself that there was a medical complication that almost happened with your daughter, but what about if that was your wife? What if she was so sick from her... Well, first of all, doctors lie a lot, and they exaggerate that the medical complications are always necessary.

In fact, we had a young lady just recently at an event who came and did that, who said they need an abortion, and she didn't. Secondly, almost always, a cesarian section can be performed. You know what a cesarean section is, right? A C-section. And then if abortion is medically necessary, then yes, to save the life the mother. But that's incredibly rare, and even some OBGYNs don't believe that's ever necessary.

Really? Mm-hmm. What about an ectopic pregnancy? Yeah, so you deliver the baby or have a cesarean section, and you take the baby out? Okay. You don't terminate the baby. You just take it out, and it probably won't survive outside of the woman. So you're saying abortion is okay if it's to save a woman, yes?

I don't even think it's I am of the belief that abortion is never medically necessary. Are you a doctor? No, are you? No. Yeah, but there is a community of OBGYNs that agree with me? So is it our decision to make?

Is it something that we can decide? Well, that's an interesting question. So should it be something that people have the ability to vote on? Yes or no, if a woman is able to make that choice? Should a mom be able to kill her two-year-old daughter? No. Are you a doctor? No.

Okay, but why are we able to say it's wrong? so we're able to make moral statements when the baby's outside the womb why not why it's in the womb for more than you thank you for coming up think about that for more on many of these stories and news you can trust go to charlie kirk.com