The Charlie Kirk Show - Dismantling the Antifa/NGO Alliance + AMA 263

Episode Date: April 24, 2026

Dismantling the Antifa/NGO Alliance + AMA 263   Two weeks have passed since TPUSA Frontlines reporter Savanah Hernandez was assaulted covering anti-ICE goons in Minneapolis, but her attackers still aren't facing state charges. Savanah joins the show for the first time since the attack, and then DOJ's Harmeet Dhillon talks about her office's efforts taking on left-wing violence, woke AI, the SPLC, and more. Then Danny joins for an hour of subscriber questions, including:   -What did Charlie think of nuclear power? -Is Chip Roy sufficiently MAGA? -What groups should DOJ target next after the SPLC?   Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com!    Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And after that, she kind of had to take some time. And she's back. So I wanted to have her on as soon as she was ready to get her story without further ado. Savannah Hernandez, welcome back to the show. Thanks for having me, Andrew. I wish it was under better circumstances. Yeah. Well, you look good. And I know we've been staying in touch behind the scenes as you've been kind of processing everything that happened. First of all, you know, and by the way, we would have had you on immediately after, but, you know, you were going through something. And we wanted to give you space and hopefully you're feeling better now. But tell us, for the audience that doesn't know, tell us what happened. And, and then we're going to get into some of the aftermath that we've been dealing with. And just, you know, for your own edification, we've got Harmeet Dillard. Dylan coming on and we're going to be asking her about all of the legal proceedings and what progress is being made or needs to still be made. So that comes at the half hour mark of this hour. So tell us your story, Seth. Sure. So first off, thank you for giving me the time to kind of cope with this. You know, I've been working in media for the last six years and I'm very

much used to being in very volatile situations and then still getting on air and discussing, you know, what happened. This is not the first time that I've been mobbed and attacked. However, it was one of the most violent assaults that I've experienced. So I did get a concussion as a result of this. And I was kind of just trying to push through my media hits. And then I just realized, you know, I can't. I can't keep watching the footage. I can't. I don't want to keep talking about this. And I also physically am just not doing well. So I just decided to, you know, take the week last week. So thank you for giving me the time. But basically, you know, I'm sure everybody's seen this for those who haven't. I was at a national protest against ice day. And I

happened to go to Minneapolis. I have been watching what's been happening there. I've been covering illegal immigration extensively for the last four years and didn't go when the, you know, major ice protests were happening in January. And so figured I would kind of go check out the scene, go check out the Whipple Ice Building, and go cover the same. And go cover the same. protest, right, and just kind of gauge where the protesters were at and what the scene was like. Now, in situations like this, I very much just conduct point and shoot observational journalism because a lot of the time, these left wingerers are very violent. And so I was there to do that, but it didn't matter. I was still violently assaulted. I was identified as a journalist who works

for Turning Point USA. And after that, chaos ensued. I was initially identified by William Scott Kelly, who is the same protester who was already arrested a couple months back for storming a church in Minneapolis and shutting down the entire church service, you know, resulting in children crying in fear because these violent protesters were in there screaming at people. He was the same guy that came up to me and identified me. He began battering me with very hostile questions. At that point, I was still trying to diffuse a situation and just, you know, do journalism. I was like, okay, well, talk to me about while you're here. Why is this important to you? How many months have you guys been on the ground protesting for discuss why you're angry it didn't matter again like i said no matter what you say in that

moment um we know that the left wing has become extremely radicalized and violent um it didn't matter what i said they were trying to twist my words they were just angry that i was even present in there and i was told to get the f out to which i responded i don't have to i'm on a public street and i have a right to be here now it didn't matter at that point i was getting mobbed and i did walk over to a portion of the fence where i was hoping police would see me and see the same situation that was unfolding because I didn't want to have to walk through a mob on my own because again typically in a mob situation where everyone is surrounding you screaming at you and like obviously hates you trying to walk through them when they very clearly want to hurt you is not

the best idea so I was standing off to the side kind of hoping that the cops would come and defuse a situation they never did so at that point I was like okay I'm going to have to walk out because Deanna Ashrooshko we have a whole family here Deana Chris and Paige Ashrushko that committed this very violent assault, other unnamed defendants as well who were swinging sex toys in my face and, you know, hitting me with them. But basically, these two, as you see on screen, were the ones that initially came up to me and started making a huge issue. And Chris and Paige had already body checked me and were screaming very violently at me. I tried to walk away from them. You know, you did catch Chris on camera. There's an angle of him instructing his daughter, Paige to come up to me and blow a whistle

in my ear. At that point, I'm just trying to walk away. from these people. They won't let me walk away from them. They're following me as I'm trying to leave. Paige then decides to slam me on the ground. After I get up, I have my arm out to try to diffuse the situation even more because I'm like, I'm not going to fight back against these people. I'm outnumbered. I also, I'm not here to fight people. I'm just here to do my job. You know, Paige slams me down. She's throwing punches. Her mom then comes up to me from behind as I'm trying to leave and, you know, accuses me of hitting her daughter. I'm still trying to leave at that point. And then, Chris comes up behind me. This man is about three times my size and he slams me to the ground.

I get up. The first thing I see is Paige in front of me again. I'm like, okay, these people are clearly not going to let me leave. And so I basically am like trying to push my way out of the situation. Deanna and Paige then come and tackle me again. Now this entire family has since continued to state that I was the aggressor the entire time. Chris states that he was protecting his family because I guess I was a very violent safety threat to this family, Andrew, as I was trying to leave. They have gone on an entire press tour. And I mean, the reason why it's taking me some time to even just come back on air and talk about this.

One, you know, I don't want to keep reliving it. But two, like, we have to because these people aren't in jail. They're still out free. They're actually on social media bragging about how they're free and how they're enjoying the casino and they're enjoying going to target. We have this image too. This is Daughter Paige Estruschko on social media. She said so unbothered that I went from being assaulted by, and she has a toilet paper roll, that she claims she was assaulted. And the police to doxed and trending on Twitter for a week being sent threats constantly, rumors of my arrest to gambling at the casino.

Free, L-O-L. So these are the quality of people that we're dealing with here. and the brazenness and the audacity to say that they were assaulted by you when we've all seen the footage of you trying to get away from them and then consistently attacking you is really rich. I mean, that's a, that's a really, I mean, we have the footage. I don't think, I don't know what they think they're going to get away with here. But maybe they're just banking on liberal judges, liberal prosecutors in Hennepin County. Does that seem to be the case, Savannah? I mean, I would argue so. Obviously, this is an ongoing investigation at both the state and federal level.

But regarding the state level, it has been almost two weeks. Saturday will be two weeks since this very clear attack happened on camera in 4K Ultra HD. It's pretty cut and dry. I have, there has been no, you know, public statement from the county DA's office. I've spoken to them on a personal level and they basically have just told me like, yeah, we'll have more information within the week. but there has really been no statement. And like I said, these people are still out free, which is just very frustrating to me because instead of sitting in jail, after assaulting somebody who was doing nothing to them,

these people are on a press tour attesting that they are not violent and that, again, they are the real victims here. We have some clips here. We need to just, we just need to play because I think people will be shocked when they realize just how, I don't know, offensive, obnoxious these people are,

the Astrosco family. Let's play SOT too. Maybe you guys do get docks, but I don't know if you guys are getting the same type of stuff that we're getting. And it's nonstop. It's hundreds of phone calls a day. It's text messages and them trying to get into all of our social media accounts and contacting our friends, our neighbors, our family. It's a little overwhelming. And it makes me second guess even living in this country to be.

be honest with you. Oh, so they're, they feel bad that he, he pushed a woman, assaulted a woman violently had his whole family involved in the assault. And now he's the victim. This is their victim tour. It's pretty offensive, Sav. It's got to just be infuriating being in your position. Yeah, you know, it's also just comical at this point. Like I go through phases of being very angry and then also just laughing because it's like, am I living in crazy land? What universe am I in where this man legitimately thought he could assault a woman on camera and that people were going to be on his side? If anything, it has reinstilled my hope in America. I'm like, okay, incredible, we all can agree, you know, and primarily too, there's like a lot of people on the laugh that are like,

yeah, don't attack women. And it's actually really funny because a lot of the left wing streamers that were there that hate me, they even put out statements immediately. And they were like, yeah, we hate this girl. We hate everything. She's. stands for but she wasn't doing anything and we probably shouldn't put our hands on women so it's like if you're that extreme um i'm glad that we can at least come together on um you know agreeing that it's bad to assault women when you're three times just a journalist in general like you know i have a lot of problems with journalists i think journalists are annoying i think they're largely a not you sav but in general journalists are annoying so-called journalists and they do a lot of harm to this country actually

But like never in a million years would I think. It's okay to go out on a street and then, you know, shove somebody to the ground, kick them, punch them, assault them, and get in their face with sex toys. And like, I mean, what a strange. I can think of a lot of journalists I'd do that too. Well, yeah, you might want to, but you wouldn't. All right, I'm going to play Paige.

This is Paige again bragging about she's free. Stop four. Currently walking free in a target to everybody that thinks we've been arrested. So she's just. She's just goading. She's just mocking law enforcement here. After I got a hold of these social media clips, because of course I posted them because people are following along with this story, they want to make sure that justice is served. They ended up both the page and her father making both of their social media accounts private

because I think they realized that going on this press tour and gloating about how they're not being held responsible is a really bad look for them. So yeah, it was funny. They put this out. They immediately made all of their accounts even more private than they already were. so nobody could continue collecting, again, this evidence of them. And it's just so crazy to Andrew, because you know what? Shout out to these left-wing streamers that do hate me,

but they are the ones that did end up catching Chris, instructing his daughter to come assault me. And then they also caught Deanna after I had left the scene, admitting to tackling me to the ground and admitting that she ran away before the pleas could get her. Because, you know, as of now, there have been no charges referred for Deanna. and then it was only misdemeanor charges that were referred by the sheriff's department for Chris and Page as well. So we'll see what ends up happening with this. Like I said, this is all still ongoing.

But at the end of the day, Andrew, it shouldn't take somebody who is like goes viral for justice to be served. And it's really frustrating to me that Hennepin County has been allowing this type of activity to take place for so long that the protesters think that this is their right to do. It's their right to assault people that they don't like. It's their right to assault people that they don't agree with because keep in mind, I am one of many people this has happened to in Minneapolis, in Minnesota, over even just the last six months, because this is what the DA's office allows. And it's very frustrating to me because I don't understand how our justice system has gotten so just diluted and destroyed to where this is the norm for people and this whole family is still walking free. Yeah, I mean, candidly, I mean, you see this in California, you see this in New York, Hennepin County is no different. It's an anarcho tyranny where they will enforce the letter of the law to the most exacting extent if it's a conservative. But if it's one of theirs, something they agree with, then they'll let everything slide.

They'll sweep it under the road. You can see it with the entitlement of that guy where he's pouting, oh, we're getting, we're getting ducks in the internet. They really do think it's just their. day at the races, just go out and, you know, shove people, punch people. It's like, it's like going to church for them. We're infringing on their religious beliefs, really. Yeah. No, and it, these are lawless hellholes. And honestly, it's outposts of lawlessness right here in the United States of America. And it's, it's incredibly infuriating. Because if you go back to where all of the, all of this started, it was really local law enforcement that allowed the protesters

in the Minneapolis area to get out of control in the, first place. They wanted to see Minneapolis explode into a war zone, and they got what they wanted. Sure, it cost them a couple dead vigilantes that were using their cars as in the instance of Alex Preddy. I mean, he kicked a car. He was absolutely antagonizing ICE agents and law enforcement officers, and they got what they wanted. So what they lost a few. They won the PR battle, and, you know, that for them is exactly what they wanted. So to hell with the law, to hell with order, chaos rules, Supreme and it's really disappointing and that's why we have to have federal action on this case because we have to send a message it's bigger than what happened I mean you got you got assaulted your body took

a beating I know it's been emotional for you but it's it's even bigger than that you have the concussion it's bigger than that we have to send a message to people like this they're vigilantes really they're the the left's foot soldiers that it's not okay to do this in the law the the law and justice will be coming for you. You will serve time. You will be held accountable. And that's the message here. So, Savannah, we're going to stay on this. And we're going to be asking Harmeet Dillon about this in just about five minutes. So thank you for coming on. We appreciate it, Sav. Thanks, Andrew. Thanks, Blake. The war in Iran is having a devastating effect on the people living there locally. What most people

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It's great to see you. you know you're doing a phenomenal job in a very tough environment i mean if anybody is unaware the doj you guys got a lot coming at you there's a lot of people demanding things of you all the time and you have been in spite of that able to continue to play offense harmy and so you deserve a lot of credit for that um we've got this we just had savanna hernandez on uh before you she had to take kind of a break for media i'd been asking her hey can you come on and give your story and she's like i just need a little bit more time Today she said she was ready to tell kind of where she's at. And, you know, one of the things when you talk to her is she's pretty upset that Hennepin County has not been more aggressive.

It's basically misdemeanor, slap on the wrist, kind of we'll update you when we know more kind of thing. What can you tell me about maybe the federal level, about maybe the DOJ pursuing an investigation there? Well, thanks for asking. And what happened to Savannah is really outrageous and should never be permitted in any American city. but we have been seeing this kind of thing happening for years. And as you know, Andrew, before I joined the DOJ, I was a lawyer for many conservative journalists, including Andy No, and others who were attacked in this manner by Antifa

and other sort of these so-called black box and anti-fascist groups. So this recent thing that we're seeing with regard to ICE is just an outgrowth of all of that. It's funded from abroad. Neville Singham and others are part of shadowy networks that fund these types of protests in the United States that are really designed to disrupt our government. And I think it's very concerning.

What I can tell you is, as you know, we already have investigations going on in Minnesota regarding some of the characters there who were attacking our ICE and who are doing protests, so-called protests. We indicted 39 people for invading the city's church in St. Paul. One of the individuals in this mob

who was egging on the attacks on Savannah appears to be one of the individuals involved in that matter. But, you know, there's a lot of. between speech and action, we saw at least three people appear to attack Savannah there. And so what I can tell you is that we do have lawyers and investigators on the ground there who are looking into attacks on journalists and attacks on ice. I can't say more until there may be a development in court.

But please rest assured that protecting First Amendment is incredibly important to this Department of Justice and also protecting our law-abiding and patriotic ice officers in doing their jobs is very important to us. And mob action like this is designed to intimidate both our law enforcement and also the journalists who seek to document these attacks. And it's important to America that we shut it down not only in Minnesota, but everywhere we find it. We're committed to that at the Department of Justice. So, Harmi, I, and I'm assured because I know you, kind of the subtext of what you're saying there. So you mentioned this, you didn't say it's name, but is William Scott, I think it was Kelly, William Scott Kelly. Yeah. So he's the city's church guy

that was storming in there. He was also, according to Savannah Hernandez, the one that identified her to this mob and then kind of egged people on. At what point does that type of behavior become incitement? Because I have another incitement question for you after you answer this. Well, it's very fact specific. I'm not the investigator. So, you know, we do have a, I know people are frustrated by this in our online world. I know you're more sophisticated, but we have investigators who go and do interviews. We interviewed, I will say we interviewed and preserved Savannah's input early on in this case, the very weekend that it happened. I made sure prosecutors and our law enforcement were out there to take her statement. That's been done. And then you have to

take statements of other people and witnesses, look at the camera angles and all of that. And then there's pretty much there's case law that tells us, there's Brandenburg and there are other cases that tell us sort of the dividing line between protected speech and incitement. So I'm not going to prejudge that. We have to take cases either to a judge or a grand jury. And, you know, I don't want to get ahead of that. When you talk about incitement, so I'm going to throw up a theoretical here. Hassan Piker has made a lot of news this week because he's talking about social murder and he's justifying the, you know, assassination of Brian Tombs yes the CEO of United Healthcare sorry I just blanked on his name but then so this so people are starting to dig up his clips

right Hassan Piker and there's a clip here it's like he says if you cared about Medicare fraud you would kill Rick Scott Sat 10 If you cared about Medicare fraud or Medicaid fraud you would kill Rick Scott So this is just him kind of the cuff, but then you see other things that he said. He's just, he's talked about, like,

stabbing people. He's, he's now talking about social murder to justify assassination culture. Like, I'm as huge of a defender of the First Amendment as anybody. It's what Charlie stood for. But at what point do we get into, like, you are inciting people to do crazy stuff. You're inciting people. And by the way, we've got the SPLC news this week, which I'd love to have you opine on as well. Well, so this is not that hard of a question, actually. The standard requires that it be an incitement to imminent violence. And so the crowd situation, you know, that we are just describing vis-a-vis Savannah is much closer to incitement if, you know, the facts pan out than Hassan Piker spewing his garbage on the Internet. Because I don't think a court would find there to be, unless there is a circumstance where he's talking directly. to an individual with a knife poised above a person's body, that that would be an imminent incitement to an imminent violence. And so I know that's unsatisfactory for people,

but that's kind of what the Supreme Court has ruled. And, you know, it's over-inclusive of speech and under-inclusive of, you know, criminal activity. So you're just saying the standard is imminent. Imminent. Yeah. So if a son Piker is standing in a mob and saying that's, you know, fill in the blank law enforcement official, get them, get them, and someone is standing next to them

with a rock or a gun or a knife, that could be considered imminent incitement to imminent violence. Well, we brought up the SPLC, and we have to recall that they have no great love affair with you either. So, here's a headline when you were nominated for Assistant Attorney General. SPLC expresses concern over Harmeet Dillon's nomination. So with all the news, I figured it was appropriate Harmeet to give you an opportunity to reflect on the indictments that were delivered this week. Well, you know, their history with me, I've commented on them going back to 2017. And when Jeff Sessions was the attorney general here, he talked about their conduct. And I went on Fox News and talked about it as well.

So I've known about their shenanigans for years. and I've had many clients over the years, nonprofit organizations, Andy Noe is another one, who got onto their hate map and were characterized as hateful agents and entities. And at the end of the story where they're tagging me as being a horrible thing for civil rights because I'm not sufficiently good

for black and brown people. I'm not the right kind of brown person, apparently. They say that their purpose in life is to get rid of white supremacy and that kind of social constructs. When, in fact, we now know they were creating the very thing that they claimed to be fighting against, which is very good for business if you're in the hate-mongering business

against conservatives. And there was apparently an insufficient supply of hatred in our country on the right, so they had to manufacture it. It is a truly shocking story, and I tend to believe that this is only the tip of the iceberg. SPLC gets money laundered, through various different channels. So you might see an Obama Foundation give money to some intermediary tides, Ford, some others.

And then they launder that into SPLC. And I believe there are probably plenty of others, much less prominent than SPLC, and who are getting this kind of money. SPLC has a huge amount of money offshore, by the way, as well. So I'm sure my colleagues who are looking into money laundering and financial crimes are very interested in that. And I think we're just stretching the tip of the iceberg here. I feel vindicated in this regard.

Yeah. So we have one minute before the break. Could there be additional things just against SPLC? I know they've had complaints against them for decades. People on the left have said the organization is a con. Morris D's left under a cloud and they said, this will totally be investigated and nothing was ever heard again. Is this maybe just the beginning of what we have against the SPLC?

Could more be forthcoming in that case? Look, again, we never tried to tip our hand about what we're doing, but we've started with the type of crimes that eventually took down the mob in the United States. You know, Elliot Ness kind of started out with tax fraud, and then, you know, it went from there. And so sometimes things start out with what looks like a less sexy approach, but I think you start unraveling the thread,

and you're going to see a lot there. A lot of us on the right knew that there was shady stuff happening there. Nobody had the will until this DOJ, starting under Pam Bondi, and now continuing under Todd Blanche's great leadership, to actually do something about it. Harmeet, you just broke some news right before coming on the air. You have launched a lawsuit, I believe I've got the details right. You are proud, you say proud to intervene in XAI's lawsuit.

So you're challenging Colorado's law. law that forces AI companies to discriminate based on race, sex, and religion, all in the name of the EEI. Tell us about this. Yeah, I'm really excited about this lawsuit, Andrew. It's the first case in which the Department of Justice has entered the fray in this AI algorithm, wokeness feud that's happening. And the president foreshadowed this back in December. He issued an executive order saying that he was opposed to, in the United States, as opposed to excessive meddling by States, creating a patchwork of regulations regarding the very important industry of artificial intelligence where the United States has and needs to maintain its dominance. So that's like a

policy issue. But the civil rights issue that we're confronting, and I'm doing this case together with my colleague Brett Schumate in the civil division, so we're partnering on this. We are intervening in XAI's lawsuit that they filed two weeks ago to challenge Colorado's law that goes into effect in June of this year. And that law is problematic in a couple of different ways. First of all, it requires companies like X-A-I and the other big sort of algorithm companies that produce the content that so many of us rely on, good and bad. And they're challenging the law because the law requires companies like X-A-I to factor discriminatory elements into their algorithms. So they have to consider race and sex and ensure certain kinds of output. So this is incredibly dangerous because AI models are trained on a number of different inputs.

And if you're forcing them to inject woke ideology into their inputs and train them on models that are discriminatory, it's garbage in garbage out. Anybody's learned computer programming, you know that. And so we're going to have, as we're dismantling DEI in the real world, we're going to have a shadow world where DEI is actually infecting our AI agents and models. And so that is really dangerous and bad. Secondly, the law is really bad because it exempts companies that are doing discrimination on race, sex, gender, these other factors, if it's to, quote, unquote, redress prior discrimination. So in other words, if you're doing discrimination for a good reason and you're, you know, painting every one of our founding fathers as African American, for example, that's okay.

But if you're doing it in the opposite direction, that's suddenly illegal, $20,000 violations. And the problem with this type of a law, you might say, well, that's only Colorado who cares, right? Well, the problem is, just like we have in California, when you have bad laws regarding emissions and, you know, fuel standards or what have you, suddenly companies have to race to the bottom and make their products compliant everywhere they want to do business. So that means everyone has to have garbage AI. That's not going to work. The stakes are very high here. Kudos to XAI for stepping up to challenge this law.

and the United States finds this case, and my boss, Todd Blanche, certified this morning that this is a case of national importance, and that allowed us in the Civil Rights and Civil Division to go into court and file these two claims regarding equal protection under the 14th Amendment of the Constitution. So this is going to benefit all Americans, all people who use these algorithms, and it's going to benefit all of the companies in this incredibly important and innovative system. space that's important to the White House, and it's important to all of us as we're learning to incorporate these tools into our daily lifestyles and our efficiency. We ought to be able to rely on them without this filter of wokeness and nonsense that has impacted every other aspect of our society, but the earth is healing. We're getting rid of that in our universities and our corporations and our schools, and we cannot let it overcome the next generation of technology.

So obviously this Colorado law is terrible. I wonder, are you guys also interested? We're seeing These AI models are used all over the place. People are using them to automatically sift through resumes, applications for things. They're being given a lot of autonomy. And even without Colorado's law, I think because of either the way they're designing these AIs or just because of what's being fed into them, there have been people who've done studies. They've found, for example, the AIs without being told to, will automatically value, for example, black people more than white people, gay people more than straight people.

they'll value Palestinians more than Israelis. You can find a lot of these patterns. Is there interest at the DOJ in looking into this in saying you're responsible if your AIs are engaging in discrimination of that sort, even if it's not to follow some Colorado law? Well, you know, it's very interesting that you ask that because one of the things that I do that's completely separate from this here at DOJ is we enforce certain employment laws. And, for example, it's illegal for employers to discriminate against American citizens. And so when you see a lot of this H-1B preference in companies, that's what they're doing. They're discriminating against Americans on the basis of Americans' national origin. So I had a case recently where we took this on, and what we found was that the company's defense was,

well, we used artificial intelligence to draft this job posting, and that's why it turned out that way. So we humans at this company, this recruiting company, are not to blame. Nuh, that's not the law. The law is if you use discriminatory tools, you as the employer are liable for the discriminatory impacts of those tools, whatever that tool is. And so we actually have a great and robust civil rights edifice of laws that allows people to go in and sue over these issues. So I'm not sure extra laws needed on that, but certainly if we found or the EEOC found in terms of private employers in a different context, that there was systematic discrimination happening by companies, usually large companies, because you try to make an example of larger employers. you know, they would probably have to stop using those tools, and the tools would then be reformed themselves by market forces.

So this is going to be a – it's like Pandora's Box. There are a lot of great promises in AI. There's a lot of potential liability, and it's a little scary. And so everyone who, like XAI, these other companies, Anthropic, they're responsible for putting guardrails on their products so that they aren't having end users violate the law. Well, you know, there's so much going on. in the AI space that is going to create very interesting legal predicaments, both for the government

and for these private employees. I mean, we've got a story, I think it was out of Florida, where a guy, you know, used chat GPT to figure out how to kill somebody. And it told them, you know, to, I think it was the Florida, it was a Florida school shooting, right? And they used chat GPT, what time should I do? What weapon should I do it? And the, the prosecutors are saying, hey, if this was a living, breathing person on the other end, they would be an accomplice to this murder, to this shooting. You had another instance where somebody just committed suicide because I believe it was Claude, basically encouraged the person to do it at the end. He became enamored and obsessed with Claude, the chatbot, and called it his queen and all this stuff, and then the chatbot encouraged him to kill him. I mean, this whole area is going to be so fraught with new legal challenges.

Anyways, I'm at least grateful, Harmeet, to you that you're in the position you are to go after the algorithms that are going to be, you know, basically pushing DEI on these answers. It's almost confirmation, woke confirmation bias that AI is engaging in. Harmeet Dillon, the Assistant Attorney General for the Department of Justice in the Civil Rights Division, and so much more. Anyways, Harmeet, it's always good to see you. Thank you. Thanks for having me. Charlie had an absolutely relentless passion for learning. I saw it up close and personal. And every waking moment, every spare moment that he could,

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I think we have a tweet with that ready to go actually. Danny yeah okay Danny found this but I'll read it here. President Trump this must have been at the start of the admin. President Trump assigned a new executive order expanding uranium mining allowing for nuclear power plants

to be built on federal land and commanding the Nuclear Regulatory Commission to rule on applications for new reactors within 18 months. Cheap energy is the lifeblood of a modern economy. The most important innovation of our time, AI, requires colossal amounts of energy. Nations that intentionally hobble themselves

for the sake of green energy will be left behind. President Trump's America will not be left behind. I think that's a pretty clear-cut answer. Charlie was a builder. I remember when Charlie met with Energy Secretary Wright, and he came back. He was raving. He just really, really enjoyed his meeting with Chris Wright.

and just said, this guy's fantastic. He's got the right views on energy, on utilities, and specifically about nuclear. And there's a bunch of breakthroughs in nuclear as well. I mean, the modern nuclear reactors that you, in theory, could build, I don't know that we built any. I think there's maybe a few smaller ones. There's some that are even mobile, believe it or not.

One of the worries with a nuclear reactor or nuclear site is that it could be prone to attack. It kind of puts a target on the map. But these things are so small now. You could, in theory, put them on wheels, roll them out and roll them to another spot. I mean, that's the kind of technology we're talking about with modern nuclear energy. So Charlie was very, very in favor of it. Secretary of Energy, Chris Wright is very in favor of it.

And I think they're making some pretty dramatic strides in that field right now. Yeah. And it fits into a bigger picture thing. As I say, Charlie was pro-building. He loved to talk about, we need a moonshot on housing. He loved the idea of bring manufacturing back to America. And you'll hear those things mentioned as buzzwords. But when you really dig into it, a lot of that just comes down to how much does it cost to produce energy in your country?

And if you look at our biggest geopolitical rival, China, what do they do? They endlessly are building power plants. Go look at a chart, and it's just line is endlessly going up on the chart. And they build everything. They build coal plants. They build solar plants. They build nuke plants. They are building every single thing you can imagine because they know the more energy you have, the cheaper energy you have.

That makes it way easier to set up a new factory that provides jobs, that increases your national power. And when you look at Europe, which is in decline, a big reason is they've made it so electricity is so expensive. You can't run factories there anymore. So factories in Germany are shutting down because costs a lot of electricity to build cars, costs a lot of electricity to build anything, to manufacture ammonia, to make anything. And when you don't have the energy to do it, you stop doing it. And when you stop making things, you become a poorer and a more sclerotic country. Well, and we see this in the UK as well, right? The UK, that's why President Trump keeps asking them, like, open up your, you know, drilling in the North Sea.

Because right now they're importing a bunch from Norway, a bunch of, I think, LNG from Norway. And, you know, if you, we talked about this actually on thought crime. So I know a lot of you guys are thought crime fans. So you can check it out there as well. But in the UK, they basically, if we added them as they, the 51st state, if you took it by GDP, they would be the poorest American state. They would be the 51st on the GDP. And apparently it's not even close.

So, you know, you look at utility rates in the UK. They've skyrocketed in recent years, all over Europe. And it's just in the U.S., you look at how much electricity costs, and it's almost a perfect mirror for, is this state doing well? Is this state growing? Or is this state falling behind and not able to generate new wealth, new ideas, new businesses, new stuff. And it all comes down. And another good reason, a lot of us, if you drive, you think wind farms are kind of ugly.

I think they're pretty ugly. Well, one nuclear plant can offset a whole bunch of wind farms. And so if you're worried about the environment, you're going to do way less environmental damage with a nuclear plant than you will with all, basically all the alternatives. Yeah. And by the way, just to underscore the point, the modern technology is much, much improved over the old sort of like, you know, those those big domes you'd see yeah we don't have to worry about like another charinople or no exactly all right uh next question here we have uh elizabeth elizabeth welcome to the show

unmute yourself yes hi blake hi dany hi hi hi andrew how are you hi doing great um so my question was this um my cousin is a attorney for university and i was wondering if you are an insurance company you don't take liability risks and i was just wondering I mean, how always colleges are getting insured when they have professors who are openly advocating for violence or discrimination against conservative students? Oh, I see the question. I mean, Blake is not a lawyer, but he plays one on TV sometimes. I would say my first answer is it's basically just tradition. A lot of norms and traditions, we just, I mean, you know, universities are not getting sued for that reason, right?

They're sort of protected under the tenure rule, the free speech rule. But there are, I mean, listen, there's Dr. Antifa at Rutgers University who fled the United States for Spain because he wrote a book called the Antifa Handbook, which is talking about preemptive violence to accomplish political aims. So that would be a perfect example. He should be sued for incitement. We just had Harmeet Dillon on, you know, and basically she outlined why it's so hard to. sue or indict against incitement because he has to be an imminent threat. Candidly, some of these laws, this jurisprudence is tricky when you're trying to sue somebody for this. But yeah, I mean, it's a fair question, Blake.

Would there be pressure on the insurance companies, like not to insure this because it's a liability risk? I mean, you'd think, but, I mean, frankly, there's a general problem where there's not as many, first of all, I guess universities aren't always as vulnerable to lawsuits as you'd A lot of them are state institutions. It's often very difficult. It's surprisingly difficult to sue the state for the amount that you should be able to. And then, of course, private institutions, they're often allowed to discriminate, or even if we have laws that say you're not allowed to discriminate for a long time, there's effectively been a carve-out for universities. You see this in a lot of things. They've just been allowed to get away with a lot of practices.

That's, for example, why the Students for Fair Admissions Supreme Court case over affirmative action was so important that Harvard, other Ivy League schools, systematically discriminated against white applicants, against Asian applicants. Everyone knew they were doing it. The evidence was extremely flagrant that they were doing it. It's obviously against our constitution and against our laws, and they were just allowed to do it because Ivy League schools are popular, Ivy League schools are rich and influential. they're kind of allowed to shape the way the law is enforced regardless of what the law says. And we need a long-term effort to change those norms and enforce those norms. That's one reason I'm very glad the Trump administration has bullied these Ivy League schools a bit over this. They've gone after Columbia and some other schools because we actually need to set the long-term standard that, yeah, anti-conservative discrimination won't be tolerated by our government, anti-white, anti-male, anti-straight. we need to basically say, yeah, when the law said that discrimination is not allowed,

that's not some one-way street actually needs to apply to everyone. And I'm very glad that the administration has made a priority of that. I can't speak specifically to the insurance question. Yeah, I mean, listen, they wouldn't insure them if they felt like it was going to be a loser. Let's just say that. And I think universities have a lot of protections in place. All right, who's next time? We got Tim.

Tim, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. I'm mute yourself. Hey, good afternoon, everybody. How are you guys doing? We're doing great. Thank you. How are you doing? I'm doing well, thanks. So a couple of questions. One, Andrew, you mentioned a week or two ago that I think you'd found the very first podcast, you and Charlie did together. And I was not listening at that time, but I would love to hear that show.

Could we get that dropped into the podcast mix like you guys do? Oh, I love that. Yeah, I think that's a great idea. We'll do it. Yes. We'll do like a special. Saturday or Sunday episode. And it'll be like the very first CK. Yeah, we were in a, we were, so when we first started the podcast, we were partnered with a group called Podcast One. And the, the founder, Norm had actually, he was the founder of Westwood One. And so we got connected with him and we, we, we didn't know what we were doing.

So we, we, we, they were like, okay, when's your first episode coming out? I was like, well, aren't you going to give us some like a microphone and some, some hear like where's the studio and they're like sure come on over and so we just went over to their offices and they stuck us in like an office and gave us a microphone and a zoom recorder and it was like okay i guess this is what was what we do and so yeah charlie and i talked about what we want to talk about and uh and uh you kind of built a show just sitting he and i in a in a little office room in in los angeles and made the made the first episode and then i think we our next episode was an interview with Don Jr.

So that's how I remember. But anyways. We should re-up those episodes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's great. So they are all available now on the RSS feed. So, you know, obviously there's a ton of episodes. You've got to scroll all the way down, which is kind of a pain.

But it is there. And we made them available to everybody and been getting lots of great feedback about that. So just took some doing and a little bit of money. We just had to throw some money at the problem here. But we got it up. And so all of the original Charlie episode. are up on the podcast and we encourage you guys please take take advantage of that but yeah we will do

that great idea and you have another question right i do i do i know you guys are you guys are supporting chip roy and i and i love i love your recommendation so i'm in texas lifelong texan um and so i'm not planning to vote for chip roy um a couple of as with corny as my senator forever i'm kind of i'm very leery of texas politicians i've been burned um i mean and so a couple of things that did was he called for Ken Paxton to resign, which that troubles me. He was one of the few House Republicans that opposed efforts to overturn the 2020 election results. He supported Ron DeSantis, which I'm okay with that. I don't have an issue with that, but he was pretty sharply critical of Trump during that time. Another thing that he did that bothers me is he defended Liz Cheney

and said she should be commended. And then he criticized Trump for pressuring Pence. And so those are things that kind of really rubbed me the wrong way and I know you guys know him well so I just kind of wanted to get your thoughts on that maybe you can talk me no yeah no I listen I'm not listening to see right now listen what I will say in the Texas AG race so one thing you have to understand about there there's some history there between Ken Paxton and chip Roy right chip Roy worked in the attorney general's office and they they I mean I suffice to say they have history right yeah so i try and we are supporting kempaxton for senate and we love ken paxin he was just at our baylor event with us his team's amazing by the way i love those guys and you know i sometimes in

politics people have beef okay and that doesn't necessarily mean that chip is a bad guy because he's because he has a history with kempaxon they don't like each other candidly and that's because there's a lot of water under that bridge but that doesn't mean that chip roy is is not a rock-ribed conservative. Chip Roy is fighting on the issues of Islamification of Texas. He's hardcore. Here's the other thing. And he's big on immigration.

So for those two things. And furthermore, Charlie was close with Chip. Charlie and Chip had a really close relationship that spans a number of years. Chip, yeah, I think, you know, there's a lot of people in the base that don't understand this dynamic. But Chip is a rock-rib conservative that has come to some dis-executive. agreements and friction points with the administration. There's no doubt. He's managed, though, to his credit, to kind of keep them simmering when they, when they bubbled up and kind of put those to bed, put those to rest. They do butt heads, but that's just what happens when you got

alphas. So you got Trump who's an alpha and you got Chip who's an alpha and they butt heads sometimes. I would say Chip, I don't, I agree with you on the Liz Cheney stuff, you know, for sure. I would say that Chip would probably give you a different answer nowadays. Secondly, I would say that he's a very principled guy. One thing that Blake appreciates about him is that he's a principled guy. So even if he's going to disagree with Trump, he's going to have a principle for that. And I think you can depend on him. That's my read on Chip Roy.

I think he's a good man. I think he's a hard fighter. He's certainly an alpha, though, and he'll let you know if he disagrees with you. I feel like if you have a lawmaker who has been 100 percent, on Trump's side in every single dispute there's actually probably something a little off with him because you know Trump is unpredictable and mercurial and at that point you kind of have to suspect

this person might just be out for themselves they might just be trying to enhance their own career whereas with Chip you can sense he is really in it for the principles and the values that we care about and that that can go too far sometimes they end up turning against the movement because they sour too much they fight with Trump or with movement too much but I think there's a right balance

TG. I don't want to Thomas Massey. Yeah. I mean, listen, we like Thomas. We go back with Thomas. You know, see, that's the thing. Trump can sometimes things happen and it's personal for him. But listen, I mean, Chip Roy's got basically like 100% rating on conservative scorecards.

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You guys always log on. and you should you should take part join in yeah we we we love it when we get like completely new question ask absolutely okay all right who's up next we got anthony he's back anthony welcome hey guys uh before i get to my question too i can actually give you a little information on your first caller about that nuclear energy look up kodak eastman park in kodak here in rostas new york they're talking about putting a nuclear power plant in it it's a new updated one so it's kind of something different for the area because we need energy in New York State because they decided to go to solar and wind and it's not doing well. So shifting to my questions, I heard Harmy at the end of the first segment talk about AI and jobs and everything.

So my question is with that, should companies be asking it when you go online and submit an application at the very end, please tell if you're male, female or other, what your race is. Should they be asking those questions? Because you're not really finding the best qualified candidates when you ask those questions. You're kind of like looking for a quota of the fill. And is AI now going to be used to start doing that to fill quotas with companies? Well, I think what Harmeet's lawsuit is regarding is the bias in the answers and the data that's going in, garbage in, garbage out. So they're basically trying to make sure that the answers that are provided by AI,

companies in the state of Colorado at least that they are sufficiently woke, sufficiently expressive of underrepresented minority groups, right? So I think that's specifically what that particular lawsuit is about. But a lot of the, a lot of the AI companies based in Silicon Valley, in California, I can tell you, they have requirements on your board. You have to have a certain number of like minority folks on your board. You can't have just straight white male Christians. That doesn't fly in California. So there are, there are, There are already are DEI requirements in certain states where these AI companies are operating, but the Colorado lawsuit seems to be specifically about the algorithm itself, the DEI algorithm.

Blake, do you have any of that? Well, what I would note is I feel with modern AI, there's like almost new, it's not even just the specific stuff they ask. So you mentioned, yeah, on a job application, if they're asking if you're male or female or what your race is. But with AI, there's so much potential that we might not even be able to gauge. Like the AI, when they're advanced enough, they might, you know, you put in your address and to any one of us and addresses a random thing. But the AI has the capacity to go, oh, yeah, well, that address is in a 100% black neighborhood.

So we already know this person's race just based on that. Or it can know, oh, that name, that name is very likely to be from this. Look, a cross-reference other online. And it can do this endlessly. Yeah. And it can check on all these things that a normal person, not have the time or energy to run down. And then on top of that, they can have biases that aren't even necessarily intentional.

That's why I asked Harmeet about that. There's a guy, a blogger, Arctotherium, who he has a substack post where he just takes all the different AI models. And he's asking them to rank resumes or he'll just straight up ask them weight the value of these different lives based on these different traits. Like are they gay? Are they straight? Are they black? Are they white? nationalities are they Palestinian,

Israeli, Chinese, and so on. He'll even ask them to do it in different languages. And when you do different languages, you'll get different weights. So some languages, it'll come out more egalitarian, but then in English, it's coming out more biased. And this is all without being told to do it. It's that they've been fed in

all this information, all this data, and in Western culture for the past half century, we've had a lot of propaganda, you know, white people bad, other, you know, Israel bad, different groups bad, other groups good, and they've gotten the message, oh, well, some lives actually matter more than others.

And we're going to get that discrimination from these bots if we're not actively trying to root it out. Yeah, you see it in their code. Like on chat GPT, you could go and be like criticize X, Y, Z and it'll say, no, it can't do that. But then if you say criticize white people, it'll give you like this long list of stuff of why white people are the works like. Try asking chat GPT to criticize Muhammad.

You'll have a tough time. That's even just, I think that's hard. hard-coded stuff, at least. I think they have clear crime stop that's put in, you know, don't bash religious leaders of religions that are known to get a little mostly peaceful. Well, it goes even worse than that. But I'm much more worried, frankly, not so much. Okay, if Dario Amadeh wants to go and add crime stop to his AI,

at least it's blatant and obvious he's doing it, I'm much more worried about AI machines that just have bias in them because we've fed them every single piece of text we've ever brought. produced and we just let the dice fall as they may and they end up with wildly biased outcomes. Yeah, and there'll be like crime stats where you like find black crime statistics and it won't give you the answer and you have to continually be like, no, it's there, find it. And then it eventually finds it but it like codes itself so that it doesn't want to give you the stats until you really push it. Yeah. Yeah. Gotcha. My other quick question is this with the SPLC issue that has come out

this week. Are we actually going to see anyone that is donated money that knew what they were doing possibly arrested, like, or any politician that's gotten money from it? You know, because it seems like we, okay, we know all these things are happening, but they kind of get stalled or they take too long. Well, again, you don't want to get too frustrated because I think of the desire for immediate results often. It leads to half-baked cases. It leads to screwing things up. The left is very good at the Long Con. If you want an example, this didn't even succeed, but it caused a lot of damage. The left wanted to take out the NRA because they were an effective gun rights lobby.

And so the New York AG's office, they did this at the state level because they knew federally, we can lose the White House, but we'll never lose New York state government. So they made a left wing get the NRA office at the New York AG's office. And they just built the case over years. It was basically a decade-long process to try to bring it down. and I think it would behoove us to try to create, we have a bit of that going in Texas, but we know Texas is a somewhat purplish state.

I'd love it if in a state like Tennessee or Missouri as well, we should expand our state AG offices so they're capable of more long-range work. But back to your original question, first we should be happy they are going against the SPLC. This will cause a lot of damage to the organization, even if they don't fully dissolve it. You can do a lot with a good sustained investigation.

technically the claim right now is that they were defrauding their donors that's what the wire fraud claim is they were messaging them and saying give us money to go after right wing groups we're actually funding the right wing extreme groups meaning that a cluny or a j p morgan or tim cook would be victims yeah they're victims right now now it is possible some people were aware of this if they can find communications within the organization uh for example they were setting up these shell groups to disguise that these donations were happening if they find specific people were ordering this and explaining why they were doing it they might get hit they might not be the big names it's going to you know the people who run the spielc are not that famous themselves uh but it would be nice and hopefully we can bring similar operations against similar groups but i think we should be happy that we have what we have already brought and we should trust the process yeah i mean and like just to underscore it this this guy you know his name was uh was it uh was it uh oh i forget his name proeter the you know i just i keep coming back to this but this guy in a video the s blc mark mark potoc that's what his name was had a graphic on it on the back of his wall

during a interview he did tracking the decline of the white population in the united states as well as is how many uh foreigners were moving into europe i mean this is a really bad group that needs to be held accountable so i whether the donors get get it exactly is is less interesting to me. Of course, I'm open to it. I would love that, but I just want to see them completely defanged. I don't want, I want their influence must be tarnished completely forever permanently. And they have almost this $800 million endowment that also needs to be, uh, taking, taking a look at, I will tell you. So the SBLC said the great replacement was a conspiracy theory while they were tracking the metrics of the great replacement. I want everybody to kind of internalize that.

All right. Next question. What do we got here? Kyrie, I think. Kyrie. Okay, hello, gentlemen. Happy Friday. I have a quick question. Thank you.

I have a quick question before my main one, and that is my work schedule very, very rarely permits me to join these Zoom calls. So how do I submit a question even if I'm not able to join the live call? You could email us into the show. Can't they get on the message board here and just? They could do that as well. But usually if you can't access the Zoom in the time for. frame that we're on it. You can also email us. You can email us. We're always checking it now. We can't, we don't always see every single email live. So that's one way. But yeah, also,

if you can't join by voice, join the call and you can submit a text question. We've had a few where they say, I can't speak right now, but here's my text question. That's the most consistent way to make sure we see it because we have Danny always monitoring the Zoom call and he sees everything that's in it. Okay. All right. Well, thank you. I'll keep that in mind. Okay. My main question for the day was I would really love to try to go out to Arizona and help with ballot chasing. I've never done anything like that. But listen to Charlie and then y'all talk all the time. I really would like to get involved.

And there's nothing like that in my area. I live in a pretty red state. And that's great. But I really want to go out and help if I can't. I love it. That having been said, I need to know kind of when is the best time. I know y'all probably have trainings that you have to do. I guess I need to know any kind of details so that I can make plans, ask off from work, all that kind of stuff.

We do trainings all the time, so there's that. So you rest assured, we have literally right now there's trainings running all week, every week. A lot of that is for staff. So for volunteers, we will be ramping up. So we've inquired of Tyler Boyer. I sent, since you had your text question in advance, I sent that over to Tyler. He did say, as far as the best time to come out, second half of October. A lot of stuff.

Of course, we do ramp up early, but that's the peak time. By the way, the weather is going to be awesome in October. Yeah, it's only going to be like 98 degrees. Yeah, it's going to be great. It's pretty good. That's great. By the way, Blake's whole thing, I don't know if you know this, Kyrie. I don't know.

Do you live in a warm state judging by your accent? Yes, I live in the deep south, and we have high humidity and a lot of heat. And actually, I prefer the heat over the cold. And I also love rain. So Blake talking about the Arizona desert is very deep. Yeah, it rains all the time. But then it evaporates right away. Blake's big complaint is that Arizona is too rainy and too cold.

It hasn't rained though in like a month. Yeah, but it'll rain. It'll rain. We'll get a typhoon eventually. Yeah, we get the, what we call it the, I'm new here too. I don't know. You know, the rain, it's the, it's not the typhoon. Hoboobs.

That's not the huboos. That's like the, the dirt. Monsoons. Monsoons, thank you. We get the monsoon rain here. Which is just rain. I don't know why they're, why are we called fancy. It was because it.

Yeah, second half of October. Also, I will know the turning point, we have the app, of course, and you can use that to text people, call people, send postcards, without traveling. And so that's a way to get engaged at a distance. Obviously, the in-person stuff is the highest value, but that is a way you can get involved, even if you're in a deep red state that's not being contested.

Well, and what's cool about when you volunteer, actually, we book out these hotels, so you get advantage, take advantage of the hotel blocks. So we bring you here and then we train you and then we send you out and then you have actual access to staff to help you if you have questions or, you know, confusion as things come up, talking points. So it's a great resource that we're able to provide for you when you do come out and volunteer. So I totally recommend you take that up. Take us up on that, Kyrie. Next question.

It's from Mick. It's going on. Mick. Unmute yourself. Welcome to the show. Hey. What a surprise. I want to complain about. about them not going after groups and we got the SPLC within a week.

So that was all you, Mick. That was all you, I'm going to take all the credit for it. We took your request. We sent it to the DOJ and they said, oh, oh, why didn't we think of it? We're very glad that you were able to have that. I mean, we all want accountability. Amen.

So with that, the SPLC was one of the biggest players. You know, we had them involved with censoring conservatives, you know, on the tech platforms for about a decade before Elon finally bought Twitter. What are some of the other groups that were involved in that, maybe potentially involved in stoking, you know, violence like the SPLC was, that the DOJ can get their sights on? Well, the ADL comes to mind. ADL, right away matters, CCDH, ACLU.

The ADL is definitely a big one because the ADL has basically done, they've been involved in essentially shakedowns where they've encouraged ad boycotts, and then reached out to organizations with basically like, you know, we could overcome this arrangement, you know, we could maybe come to some sort of new relationship that's basically, support our cause, give us money, that sort of thing.

I'd love them. Anyone involved in those tech boycotts that they really ramped up? That would be like color of change, which is the ad boycotts for conservative groups, care, the pro-Islamo group. Yeah. So groups that organized boycotts,

2020, they went after Facebook, 22, they started going after X or Twitter at the time. I mean, Antifa is a clear one. All those groups, Sleeping Giants. If they're still around. They're still around.

Which has been the trick with Antifa. Human rights campaign, HRC would be another one, which tracks corporate equality scores. You can imagine they've been coercing people. Just trying to think, Sleeping Giants is another one that does those ad campaigns. I mean, all these, so basically what we have is we, you know, and you hear about this, like, you know,

our democracy, our democracy, Charlie says to say this all the time. It means our oligarchy. It's their power structure. So you have to, any group that doesn't align perfectly with their value set is precluded from our democracy, right, when Democrats use that expression. So they have this whole network of nonprofits that essentially establish a permission structure on the left. And those groups, I guarantee you, will be up to no good. And there's actually a new, what was this is, IRS ruling that, that basically is forcing 990 disclosures from like the Tides Foundation or Arabella, which is pushing these dollars out, right? Because a lot of times it will happen on the left is big, high network donors will invest in one of these large groups. Then those large groups kind of funnel the money to the smaller groups, and you lose track of where that money came from, right? Because money's fungible.

And so now they're going to have to disclose where that money is going once it hits like an Arabella or Tides. and these groups are insidious. They are destroying the constitutional republic that our founders set up, and they're doing it under the guise of civil rights. Yeah. We have one more question. I want us to hit it real quick. We have two minutes.

Mary, give us your question really quick, and we'll try to answer it. Mary, I'll meet yourself. Yes, we can. My question is, how would you gracefully approach a family member who takes every opportunity to criticize your Christian and conservative values? some political beliefs. All right. You're the picture of grace.

Gracefully approach. Well, I guess it would depend on context because I get the sense if they're going out of the way to bully you or bash you. The first thing is you just can't concede any frame. You have to say, okay, what of it? What's the deal? I guess if they're going after religious beliefs,

it's a little different. You have to set a hard line boundary inside. Here's what I would do. And I take this directly from Charlie. So Charlie would get badgered about his Christian conservative beliefs on campus. And what would he do? He would ask questions. He would instantly ask questions.

So, okay, why do you believe that? Okay, so you believe this because of X, Y, and Z. Do you also believe X, Y, and Z, or A, B, C? So he would start drilling down to get to core assumptions that that person is making. And then when you see something that they say that's completely untrue, then you could be like, well, but that's not true. So do you still have this gripe? I mean, here's the thing.

With family, family's tough. You got to love your family, but sometimes you've got to have boundaries with your family too. And it's okay to put those up in a loving way to protect yourself, protect your family, protect your kids. And maybe just set some ground rules for engagement in the future. Questions are good. They often don't expect to be put on defense. True. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.