The Charlie Kirk Show - Ellis Island vs. Hart-Celler + AMA 271

Episode Date: June 26, 2026

What describes Democrats' current strategy for New York and for America? It's simple: They're throwing out the old Ellis Island immigrants to replace them with new, more alien, more hostile immigrants. The show team explains why for the left, the old immigrants are no longer enough. "Reformation Red Pill" host and pastor Joshua Haymes rejoins the program, and they cover lawfare updates regarding Tyler Robinson and the Palisades fire.    Then, special guests Shane Winnings, Shahriq Khan, Cait Scott, and Lily Kate join for an hour of member questions on Charlie's favorite founding father, how Republicans can gain ground in culture, and why learning debate skills is important. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com!    Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Judge Graff ruled on the contempt portion of the case involving Tyler Robinson to bring the audience back up to speed. So there was obviously an ATF report that was referenced in a defense motion. Now, the defense motion said that the bullet didn't match the gun, all right, or something to that effect. Daily Mail took it, spun it. The internet went crazy, 25, 30 million impressions later. So the prosecution came out and they said, actually, hey, what? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. That's not what the ATF report says. The ATF report says the bullet was too badly damaged to conclusively, without any question, using ballistics reporting of striations on the bullet, et cetera, to match it to the gun.

But we have plenty of other reason to believe that the gun matches the bullet and all this other evidence. And just more generally, it's that it can't be provably linked to this specific gun. And people spot it as it is disproven. It is not possibly linked to this guy. So the prosecution went and corrected the record, but that's not why he's being held in contempt, this particular prosecutor. Why he's being held in contempt is because then after clarifying the record,

which the judge admitted and concurred that he had a reasonable rationale and expectation to clarify the record, he went on and said, we have an overwhelming case the state does against Tyler Robinson. That, he said, is unfairly prejudicial to the jury. Okay. So that's the big case. basically a slap on the wrist. So here's actually a legal analyst from Fox News. I saw this clip

as I was prepping for the show this morning. I thought he did an excellent job. I'll play it for you. Saw 27. How does the contempt charge against Chris Ballard, the prosecutor, how does that affect the case? Would they pull him off? Does it do anything else to the prosecution? I think it'll have no effect whatsoever. And I think the best way to look at this whole thing is this was a win the prosecution. Yes, they were found in contempt, but they were not found in contempt for the bigger issue about correcting the ATF report. That was really what this was all about, was there was there was false information out there. The prosecution felt that they had to act and had to act quickly to correct it so it would not create this spun out of control false narrative.

So it will have absolutely no effect on the prosecution. But again, I marvel actually at Judge Graff's ability to navigate these with nuance, with impartiality, fairness. All of this is important because ultimately when this case is done, it will be up for appeal. And he's being very careful not to give any reason for this trial to be overturned. It makes you really admire, you know, the capabilities of people we have randomly in middle America. Because this is a, not even the largest county in Utah. It's south of Salt Lake City. And just out, you know, you You know, he's never expected. He probably mostly handles incredibly minor cases.

And then suddenly the most famous criminal case in the country that's going to be consuming possibly two, three years of his life drops into it. And I feel like he's handled it all quite well. He's handled it well. I mean, it's slow and deliberate. Certainly, I would love to Blake's points that he's made on this show multiple times, I would love for this stuff to be faster. You know, I always think about this. And I'm not saying this is exactly where I want to go. I'm just saying the contrast and the juxtaposition mentally is just wild.

We remember when we went to Iraq and they found, you know, Saddam Hussein hiding in a cistern or whatever it was. Spider hole. Spider hole. And literally within like two or three weeks, I think he was hanging in the public square. Well, it took a while. I remember that. It was very quick. It took a couple of years, actually.

No, I don't think so. Well, look it up. Anyway, the point is the pace of justice in this country is abysmally slow. but I once again I admire judge Graff's deliberateness how careful he's being and how dispassionately and impartially he's approaching everything I think that's actually really really important and it's a it's a good thing when we want to get justice in this case all right we are going to now transition to some of the continued fallout from the DSA sweep in New York and it occurs to me Blake that the Democrat party has been sustained

upon the, a coalition of 14th Amendment blacks, like the, the, the black Americans, especially after the Civil Rights Act, and Ellis Island immigrants. And they are being supplanted by the Hartzeller immigrants in the 1990 Immigration Act. Exactly. We should, yeah, we should explain that because we had Ellis, America's had two truly dramatic waves of immigration in the past 150 years. We have, you could call it the Ellis Island wave. That kicks off. maybe about 10, 15 years after the Civil War runs 1890s, 1910s. We get millions of people into America, and then America decides too many of these, and they slam the door, and we digest those Americans for decades. But that still is the bedrock of FDR's New Deal Coalition. You have these big cities. They have Italians, they have Eastern Europeans, they have Jewish Americans, and a lot of them,

are sort of the bedrock of the Democratic Party along with Black Americans. A lot of Papists. A lot of people, the Democratic Party was very Catholic throughout this period. And that's the Democratic Party. But now we're at the point. They got digested. A lot of them, they're not Democrats anymore. They got assimilated.

The Catholics voted for Trump. I like to say that a sign of my assimilation, I'm mostly German, I'm Catholic, but I like reading English history a lot more than I like reading German history. I identify far more with England. You've been thoroughly anglicized. I've been totally assimilated.

But Democrats, that's not going to work for them because they can't handle people who love America. So they need to build a new coalition. So as you say, the Hart Cellar Act, that's the shorthand for Ted Kennedy's bill, changing, massively liberalizing our immigration laws, 1965 onward, continuing in 1990, the biggest immigration wave of any country in human history. And much more alien people. Now we're getting more. We're getting Muslims. we're getting Hindus, we're getting way more East Asians, not nearly as culturally Christian or European. Well, everybody thinks of immigration. Not everybody. It used to be in the country that a lot of people

thought of tabula rasa, right, that we are a blank slate that you can incorporate any culture and it will be seamless and easy. Once they come to America, they'll realize the blessings of freedom and capitalism and orderliness in the free market. No, what happens now is if you, and go full screen on me if you can guys if you were if you were saying like here's america in the 1920s and then you get this huge immigrant wave from southern and eastern europe this is about how alien they were about like this this much space guess what happened after hard seller the immigrants you can't even see it's off screen okay it's like way over there how alien they are to our starting point the assimilation challenge is first and foremost much more difficult because

they are much more alien to our country. But secondly, our country lost its backbone and its courage and its self-confidence. So now it's racist to ask them to assimilate. Now it's racist to suggest they follow our laws. It's racist to suggest that they should not get on welfare instantly and work with an NGO to game our system. That's all bigoted and hateful. And we love our immigrant communities. And they add diversity and ethnic food and all this other garbage. got to have the ethnic food this is exactly how communism gets ushered in how foreign ideas foreign grudges and foreign tribalism get ushered into america and it's got to stop all right here's what i want to tell you about um their pew report pew uh did a they sorted americans into nine

political groups okay it's a very very interesting way to do it so instead of left the right We understand that every side is actually really, when you break it down, a coalition of different types of voters. Okay. Now, I did my taxonomy of the right and broke it down into five groups. They have broken it down into nine different groups ranging from left, very left, to very right. Okay. And they do it by race, white, Hispanic, black, Asian. Okay.

So what's interesting about this report and what was kind of the inspiration for our lead today, was that blacks and to a lesser extent Latinos are really, really low on the super progressive scale. And the vast majority of those cohorts fall into order and opportunity left. So yes, they are left. They are Democrats. But they're not crazy Democrats. They sort of want order and opportunity. They actually are pretty cool with the capitalist system, with having to work for a job. They want order. They want crime. They want immigration. Actually, blacks and Latinos tend to be very, very bullish on immigration. They want order at the border.

They want crime and they dealt with. And they want order in those different respects. So they tend to be more economically progressive, but they want law and order. I think a lot of them, I would define that as they're groups that basically they want government programs to pay out money. Sure. But it's something different than what we're seeing with the hard seller immigrants. It's something different than we're seeing with the 1990 and onward mass invasion immigrants. So these are people that have been somewhat assimilated into the customs and norms of America.

And you can work with them. And here's the big key. Blacks and to a lesser extent Latinos don't fully realize what's happening right now. They don't realize that the Democrat Party is leaving them behind. They have found new customers. And that is foreigners. foreigners that just get off the boat, they have fewer demands. All they want is communism. All they want is to seize the means of production from rich white people and give it away to their

constituencies. This is what you see with Somalia. Okay? That is the most extreme example that you can think of, certainly, but that is a good case study. And here's, I'll show, I'll show that it's true. This is Zohran Mamdani, a foreigner himself, a Muslim foreigner, Islamo Marxist, 21. We saw today the Supreme Court make a decision that is putting so many people's lives in jeopardy. Many of you know, this is a city of 8.5 million people. More than 3 million of us were born elsewhere. I'm one of them.

We're a city that's proud of our immigrant heritage. And when we think about, especially what Haitian New Yorkers have had to deal with, not just for weeks or months or years, but frankly for decades, we have seen a cruelty that has become normalized. It says three million immigrants in New York City. Three million, more than three million. That is crazy. They'll tell you New York.

They'll tell you New York has always been a city of immigrants. But what that understates is New York has had its demographics change a lot, even in the past 20 years. Since 9-11, since 9-11, New York is vastly, it's vastly less. White, including ethnic whites, Italians, and so forth. It's a lot more Islamic, a lot more Chinese. Like a lot of interesting shifts have happened. And also, it's economically changed. And that's one of the reasons you're able to see this more kind of communist stuff take off.

So here's what's happening in the Democrat Party to this point. You are seeing the rise of the foreigners, the foreign tribalism, sectarianism coming up. And it is vengeful. It is bitter. It hates America. and you're seeing a wedge being driven into the heart of the Democrat Party. And we're even seeing now movement of some Democrats, moderate Democrats, that don't like it. And they are actually signing a pledge, a promise to America, supporting what?

Strong borders. Interesting. Capitalism and patriotism. Check this out. SOT 22. You know, there are certain things that I believe in that are not being reflected in the current environment. especially with some of these races on Tuesday. And as we said in our pledge, you know, we're for capitalism, not socialism. We're for safety, not lawlessness. We're proud of America, not ashamed of America. And we need to be promoting those things.

And, you know, the far left and the far right, you know, they're all very well organized. But those of us that don't support those far left or far right principles need to do a better job organizing and getting our message out. That reminds me. Did you see the Politico headline the other day? Democrats grapple uncomfortably with World Cup success. Yeah, like what's sort of grapple? By the way, we lost Turkey in the 98th minute and overage. Anyways, that was, it was really, really annoying.

Was it going to be a two, two tie, and then they lost it. Yeah, yeah. But the point is I have a lot of disdain for guys like this because you oversaw the anti-white bigotry of the left. You were part of it. You were complicit in it. And now you're waking up and you're like, oh, they're going to eat me too. Yeah, they are going to eat you too.

the Eat Me Last Democrat middle. Absolute cowards. Listen, I will take you coming over to Team Sanity if you apologize and you say sorry and you learn your lessons. I don't have any faith that this guy is. But what's happening on the left, keep your eye on it.

It is a absolute wedge through the middle of that party. We got Dan Goldman, who's not even being served coffee in New York City because he's Jewish, even though he's been a total loon and a nut job and a far left Democrat himself. and now they hate him too, because his skin's too white and his Jewishness is too prominent. It's wild.

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What's interesting is what we're examining is that the heartseller immigrants, and I would say the 1990 immigrants, again, we expanded legal green card holders from about half a million a year to one point one to one point two million a year in 1990. Democrats and Republicans both guilty of this. And that wave is the largest move of humanity in history and all the planet ever, just by sheer volume in numbers. And we've absorbed it. I would say better than most cultures and countries could ever hope to absorb something as large as we've absorbed. But yet everybody has its limits. And this has supplanted in many ways the traditional backbone of the Democrat Party, which would be black Americans, progressive, whites, moderate white, blue dog Dems. And so there is a huge wedge being driven in the middle

of the Democrat coalition. And candidly, we should exploit that. Thoughts. That's interesting. Well, you know, okay, break that down from me. When you say exploit it, what exactly do you mean? I think that we should exploit it. There's a absolutely, there was a rise of moderate dem saying, we still are patriotic. We're not ashamed of America. We love America. We still love capitalism. Okay, prove it. There's only one party now. that represents any of those ideas. Well, and they want their home. And that's what's going to,

I think that's really going to turn the tide for the Democrats moving forward is whenever they actually see, whenever they taste and see the fruit, the rotten fruit of the Heartseller Act and Third World migration, that is what's going to change hearts and minds. Whenever they realize that it's not,

not only, I don't use public transportation, so I don't have to worry about getting stabbed on the subway. Okay, it's not just that. Whenever they realize, I can't even go to the park without being, like, fearing for the law. lives of my children, that's going to cause a mass. I mean, the exodus, right, we have already had a mass exodus from the madness that the left is promoted over the last, however many years.

But that is going to be, I think if we can exploit that, if we can spam all the social medias, all X, all Instagram with all these videos demonstrating, hey, our societies really are becoming unlivable because they are bringing, they are bringing the third world into our country, and we are becoming the third world. I really do believe that that's. It's not even just immigration related. I think you're seeing. the left is really ideologically boxing itself into being an ideology of decline

and ideology of deprivation. There's actually an incredible debate unfolding in Europe right now, especially because they're coming here for the World Cup. And it's not just that they're seeing how big our stores are. They're also seeing, wait, they have air conditioning everywhere in America. And they're having a heat wave in England and in France right now. And there's stories where people

as Britain is having these 90 plus degree temperatures, people are being told, take out your AC. It's illegal. You didn't get the right permit for, you don't have the license for the O'S and they're being told that and like we have the left coming out and basically saying well not having AC is actually a left wing position we shouldn't have AC because it's killing the planet if we can make politics be we're the party that will give you air conditioning and the left says we hate air conditioning we'll take it out we'll be able to win I hope so I hope so and one of the reasons I'm talking about this is because we saw how

President Trump was able to appeal to more black Americans that candidly they were not as ideologically driven in some ways, but they were like, hey, I had more money in my pocket when President Trump was, was in on. And listen, crime was being dealt with. We didn't have this like, you know, kind of loose notions of just soft on crime and no cashless bail and all this stuff. So I think these are the issues that where you can sort of expand a tent moving forward in the left. And listen, I am not one of those people who says, oh, what's happening in New York is a good thing because we're going to, you know, no, that's a bad thing. The fact that we're even here is abysmal. It is an absolute, it's an indictment of so many years of failed political policies,

both from the left and the right. Okay, so we're here. And I'm going to deal with what is true right now. And I do think that there is a wedge issue emerging within the left coalition where you have sort of these blue dog Democrats, you have white Democrats that kind of like, you know, their jobs and their lives. And you have blacks and Latinos that want a good economy and they want law and order. And they don't want an open board. Those are the issues that can sort of expand the tent. President Trump showed the way a little bit in 2024, and we should exploit that to the max. I think that's good.

I'm reading on that note a book called The Camp of the Saints right now. Highly recommend. Amazing book. I mean, it's amazing. It's also a black pill in the ways. It's a black pilling book. It's a traumatizing book. What I'd say stands out about it is it was written in 6970.

And it feels so much more modern than that in terms of how it recognizes the nature of the left. Well, just to give you a brief, to let people understand what the narrative is, it's basically the destruction of Western society, not because of a fascistic government, like the other dystopian novels of that era. Rather, it is the destruction of Western civilization because a fleet of millions of migrants come to Western shores, particularly the shores of France. And the West does nothing to stop them because they don't have the heart to maintain their own civilization and stop this invasion that's coming to their borders.

But what's interesting that makes me think, the reason I brought it up is because, Because even the immigrants who currently live in France at the time, they go, you guys don't understand. You can't let this happen. You cannot let this happen. I left those countries. I know what's going to happen. I've had that conversation in countless Ubers. Yes.

I will never forget. I was sitting with a Haitian, which is obviously in the news right now. And this Haitian was like, I hate Haitians. I was like, well, that's a little bit of credit. I would never. Yeah. I was just like, you know, we're all made in the image and likeness of God. And all said, he's like, he said, well, yes.

But I fled there and you do not want to bring these people here. Why is this in the news, right? So the judge, the Supreme Court rather, just finally ruled on the TPS, which by the way, they've had TPS since, you know, like over a decade or whatever. TPS stands for temporary, temporary protected status, which means you go home when the crisis is averted. And I just love Stephen Miller. I tweeted out last night that he's a total legend because he is just cool, calm and collected. it be more like this if somebody comes and it confronts you about immigration.

It's not 28. If you should consider Haiti a safe country? For Haitians, absolutely. For Haitians? Yes. I mean, yes, Haitians live in Haiti. It's not our position that Haitians should leave Haiti. I mean, it would be crazy for us to say that Haitians couldn't live in Haiti.

It's their country. Of course, Haitians should live in Haiti. That's common sense. Why is that controversial? No, but you got to understand that this is hatred. and bigoted and racist and all this stuff. He goes on. I just love Stephen Miller clips. So here, we're going to play some more.

SOT 24. Do you expect the administration to deport anyone who loses TPS status as a result of this ruling? Of course. If you no longer have status in this country, then you're supposed to be deported. And in particular in the case of the Haitians, the Biden administration, flew over vast numbers. It's hard to know the exact number, but they're probably more than a million. The illegal immigrants from Haiti, that's not counting the border crossings.

into the United States. These are people who have only been here for a few months who are receiving welfare, who's all their ties, all their social connections, all their family is back in their home country of Haiti. And of course, that's where they should go. I love the answer. Well, of course, if you no longer have status in this country,

then you're supposed to be deported. Easy. That's where they should go. It's very simple. And I get this on campus all the time. It's like even from conservatives, you know, supposed conservatives, that for some reason,

they seem to believe that we have, some kind of moral responsibility to bring people into our country. They're like, yes, we could maybe reduce the immigration numbers. Talk about that. No, because a lot of this is a bastardization of scripture. No, that's exactly right. Okay. And obviously, I was a pastor before I do what I do now, which is just like make libs mad on the internet, so which is a lot of fun. You're good at it. I'm good at it because what I do is I just say what the Bible says. And it turns out, the Overton window has gone so far to the left that you're not even allowed to say out loud what the word of God says. So that's what I do. But it's very important to understand that what's

going on with this mass migration crisis that we're facing. It is, we should treat it like, like an invasion. And it's an, what is, what is an invasion when we're thinking metaphysically? Well, the God of the universe, the creator of all has told us that whenever he judges nations, he judges them by bringing invading forces in, right? And so why are, you know why that, you know why this just, I'm sorry. Yeah, go ahead. Keep going. But this just, I always think about this, that we basically let in as many immigrants, maybe a few more than, you know, babies we've killed. It's about right. Since Roe v. Wade. It's about right. And so if you're talking about a judgment on a nation, we are a blood-soaked America and God, God is a just and righteous God.

Now, he is merciful to his people, and we cry out for mercy. And by the grace of God, all of us, we are baptized, we know the Lord. We will stand before him covered by the righteousness of Christ. But God judges nations as moral entities. And this is something that's very important. God treats nations. He judges them based on their action. And so even though a nation may have a lot of good people in it, God will bring about judgment. Look at Sodom and Gomorah, right? God judges nations. We look at, but look at Nineveh. Look at, in the book of Amos, he's casting judgments upon pagan nations for not submitting to God's law. So we know, like, what ultimately has to happen is that we must repent, we must turn away from murdering 70 million babies.

We've got to acknowledge that. Hey, we let this happen. Yeah, it was the, lives. Yeah, they push for it. But what did we do? What did we do to stop it? Almost nothing for so long. And so we are living in a blood-soaked America under God's judgment. But God is also merciful. He's merciful. And we are not, we haven't gone over the precipice yet. We need to pray for him to heal our land. And this is, listen, I've got no, like, I want to be very clear, because even my mother sometimes, she's like, you're going a little too hard on it. I don't hate that there's a micro and a macro that you have to understand with this stuff. The micro is that yes, I meet immigrants. I love them. They are sweet people. And then there's a

macro where a nation has an obligation to not flood its borders with foreigners, with foreign ideas and foreign gods. And that is exactly what we've done in this country. And we need to stop it because it is tearing us apart. And you look at New York. Look at Mayor Maim Dani. Look at Chivalier. These people hate Western civilization. They hate what you stand for and they probably hate you. So if that makes me un-Christian to defend my home, then I think you're the one with bad theology. Team, do we have these images? Can I throw these up? I just want to give a shout out to our turning point action team.

There is so much going on on campus right now. There was just like tons of people coming in and out. This is a war machine and I love it. So this is turning point action. This is the largest Arizona class ever. What are these people doing? They're being trained up in chasing business. ballots to win in November.

We're teaching them how to go door to door, send text messages, harass kindly, to people to get their ballots in, and to encourage them and explain to them the way the process works. I'm not kidding you. In 2024, you will be blown away at this. We had stories of ballot chasers like these that are getting trained right now and being sent out that we go to a house where the gentleman had like a Trump shrine, like a shrine devoted to Trump. A big waving flag.

Yeah, like in the, yeah, like a little bit much, admittedly. But the point is, that person didn't vote. It didn't vote. We'd come in and we'd say we think we're at the wrong address because this person supposedly hasn't voted, you know, since, you know, 2016. Ah, yeah, man, I keep forgetting about it. Oh, my God. So this is what we have to do to save our country. And I'm so proud of the turning point action team every day. They are hitting the ground running. They're getting these people into the office hiring hiring hiring we're doing that in not only arizona we're doing that

in nevada and new hampshire we have offices in all three states we're building the red wall simultaneously we have guys like joshua haves and we're doing a whole big training you want to tell tell them about this pick up the mic right so you already went to campuses with us in the um last semester in the spring semester and we're we're bringing the gang back together we're bringing new faces new names people that are trying to take these conservative ideas to college campuses and have those debates, those clips that go viral. Tell us about it. Yeah, I'm so excited to be a part of it. I actually went on campus the day after the assassination. My heart swelled in my chest for these young people. And I knew, so I was a pastor before, like I said, I was a pastor before I do what I do know.

And I knew that these young people were desperate. I didn't know the effect and the impact and how far reaching Charlie Kirk, the impact of Charlie Kirk was until I went on campus and saw. I mean, these young men were just deflated. Like it was, I mean, heads down, it's sackcloth and ashes, basically. And so I went there and I actually did a tabling event. Well, I did, I went and just like spoke to the students the day after it happened. And then a week later I did an event. And it was my first event like that.

And within 20 minutes, we had probably 800. students surrounding the table. They were desperate for it. And as I came out there, and my entire mission in life at this point, besides saving Western civilization and doing everything I can to do that, and the way that, well, the way that I believe that that's going, the Western civilization is going to be saved is by training up a new generation of young men who will unapologetically apply their faith in politics and culture. So we need, we need conservative politics that is rooted and grounded in the eternal. So that's my whole project, is to take these young men who are right on the issues,

but they don't know why they're right. And so to ground them in the eternal. And so having the opportunity to do this college tour gives me a lot of FaceTime. Of course, it's fun to own dunk on the libs. That's easy. But honestly, what's been more exciting for me is talking with these conservatives and having it out on the ideas and them realizing, wait a second, I have this like gut instinct to like mass deportations,

but they don't even know why that's morally right. They have no idea why. They don't have the words. They don't have the theological grounding. They haven't rooted their politics in the eternal. And that's what I'm trying to train people to do is to say, hey, you're right, but you need to know why you're right, actually. And you need to be grounded in it.

And so what we've done is we're actually bringing in all these people like Joshua that are into Phoenix and we're doing coaching, debate coaching, training, and kind of going through debate 101, understanding the difference in assertion and acclaim and defensive debate. just really fascinating stuff. And we're going through the pillars of leftism and all the stuff. It was a great, great class yesterday. It's just like a great time. I mean, if you went over to the other building,

I was hooping and hollering and clapping and like dunking on people. I mean, and I love that everybody seemed to get into it. Yeah, for sure. They embraced the dynamism of it. You've got to have fun with this or it's going to be too much of a drag. And they'll know you hate it. And Charlie, one of the key things he was getting at is if you're going to have someone jeer at you, if they know they're getting under your skin, if they know that you're

flustered, if they know you're unhappy, they are going to absolutely run wild. But if you're playing to the crowd and saying like, yeah, come on. Or if you're basking in it, if you're basking in it, if you're getting your own jibs back, they want to see a good fight. It's kind of like that movie Gladiator with Russell Crow and the guy's telling him, it's like, it's not enough to win the fight. You want the crowd has to be entertained. That's right. That's right. Well, and so we went through all of that. And people, it's funny, they go, is the debate, that's a big question you get, is the debate that you're engaged in, is it to win over the person across from you, or is it to create viral clips? And my answer to that is simple.

Yes. Very simple. Very simple. And I do have to get to some breaking new, Joshua. I'm sorry. Breaking Judge in Palisades fire trial declares mistrial with jurors unable to reach unanimous decision 10 out of the 12. 12 jurors are set on not guilty for Jonathan Rindergnecht and two set on guilty. I was reading about that.

It seems like they don't have much physical evidence proving that he was there. Almost certainly. Officionado. And I mean, just show a picture of him. I got a picture of him. This is that. That's the guy. And this is why the third worldization of our cities, it ultimately has a downstream knock

on effect when it comes to getting accountability and justice for people that just ruined hundreds of thousands of people's lives. So that's frustrating. Yes. I mean, well, going back to the classic line, the third world is not a place, it's a people. Yeah. Yeah. Some cultures are better than others. Amen. Even within the United States. Joshua Hames, Reformation Red Pill. That's it. Check him out. He's the man. Come on. If you could go back in time and buy oil before the world relied on it, would you? Of course you would. Anybody would.

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scott you can find her on instagram at white squirrel magic that's right i love it we've got hold on shark khan i didn't want to get it wrong that's all i'm said shark con and you can find him on Instagram at Real Shark Khan, which is spelled S-H-A. Wait, I got S-H-A-H-A-H-R-I-Q. Shark's got a great, great story. You are a convert to Christianity. Yes, absolutely. So I want to get into that in just a second. And then we have Lily Kate. You can find her on X at it's Lily Kate. L-I-L-Y, just one L. The proper way to spell it. That's right. All right. So you guys are wanting to go out on campus. We're doing this big training and you want to do and pick up the mic just like let's start there how has your experience

been doing the doing the training has been fun absolutely wonderful yeah we get debate training we get media training we get prepped on all the all the different briefs all the different topics so i'm just even more excited to go out did you guys get dunked on yesterday like for sure no hardcore dunk on yeah yes absolutely that's an important first step uh i will tell you okay um that's really exciting so these are um just a i mean there's dozens of people next door actually that are going out and they're going to be on campus and doing debates, trying to bring conservative ideas and conservative values to students and debate the ideas. It's a really beautiful thing.

But Sharke, I want to ask you about this. We've spent a lot of time talking about the rise of Islam in the West. You are a Christian and you have a ministry reaching out to Muslims. Tell us about it. Yeah. So I grew up with a devout Muslim and I'll give you a really quick story about just how deep I was. My father was one of 17 from Pakistan. They definitely know how to be fruitful and multiply. And he actually saw the second plane hit the Twin Towers in New York. And so it was absolutely,

you know, an incredible, incredible time in my life where the earliest thing I knew, my earliest identity was just that I'm going to be a Muslim and that this is who we are. And I lived in a blue-collar town of firefighters and cops and first responders. And truthfully, that led my earliest identity to being a Muslim. And I wanted to defend it with my entire heart and soul. It was everything I knew, everything I bled. It was my mentors of doctors and lawyers all in the community. And the truth is, um, I had no issues being a Muslim. I loved it. It made so much sense for me. And through trying to defend my faith at the highest level, I was that Muslim guy on the college campuses that would challenge my Christian fraternity brothers on their faith. I would

try to rip their faith away from them. I ended up trying to defend the Quran so much that I would eventually see it for what it was and I lost my faith. And in 2020, I left Islam and actually, I didn't come to Christ right away. And two years later, when I was extremely suicidal, not having any identity, not knowing how to engage with this world with no faith. So you lose your faith, then you become suicidal. Yes, I become suicidal because I'm not Christian yet. I hadn't let Christ into my life to heal me yet. I didn't know what that meant. I wasn't disciples well into Christ yet. I actually would have a dream of Christ. And he would nail me on the night that I actually would revert and pray to Allah. Christ actually met me that night. And it was two years later from that moment that I would actually

become born again. And the faith meant so much. me now that I said, you know, as somebody who finally encountered Christ, I met Jesus through reading the Quran, that this conviction I had that every religion has to encounter Christ in some way. You have to deal with Christ in some way. When I found out who the true Christ was, it was the moment that sin fell for my soul. And I felt the grace for the first time ever. And now I've dedicated my entire life to building this ministry, to bearing my cross. The thing in Islam that was going to take me off this earth, I now proudly wear as a badge of who Christ is. And I firmly believe.

believe that Islam is a sin that will end in our generation. I firmly believe that the cross is big enough for the two billion Muslims. And I firmly believe that our generation is going to see a revival in Islam of Muslims that is going to strengthen our church. They're going to become Christians. And it's going to be one of the most beautiful moments of who Jesus Christ really is and shining in that moment. Wow. God bless you, man. That gives me so much. I would just say it's such a good take on all of the Islamification sort of negativity that we've been hearing and thinking about and you look at mom Donnie and you look at what's happening in New York. And that's, it's a beautiful thing. And we talked about an hour one actually with Joshua Hames that, you know, there is a judgment. And I believe

it's linked to abortion, actually. If you look at all the immigration that we've had in, it's roughly one to one with how many babies we've killed. Surprise, surprise. But God is also a merciful God. And he will heal our land. And we do need to repent and we do need to seek him out. And it's just beautiful that you're a part of God's redemption plan for this story for this country. We could go on for a long time, but I have to play the Miss Rachel clips. Let's get into that. It's a nice segue. It's a nice segue, Mom Donnie.

It's a total, it's the awkward, most awkward segue I've had in a while. But Kate Scott, here we go. You are making fun of Miss Rachel, who is huge, and she's basically a commie. Huge with kids. She's getting weirder and weirder. And so you took it upon yourself to take her on. And this is the Mom Donnie clip. There you go. That will, that'll be the glue here. SOT 35.

Hi. Today's letter is M for Mom Donnie. Mom Donnie is, which is better than two houses and D'Auntrey has none. What should Timmy do? Oh, man. How real is that, right? I mean, I don't really have much to say, yeah. You said it all. She's a theater girl.

Yeah. It's true. You're like, you're a theater kid, which I've been trained to be very leery of. And yet, here you come, making me laugh about Mom Donnie. I just have to play one more because it's so funny. Ice clip, 36. I noticed it was like hard for you to watch yourself, but these have gone viral. They really have. You got to give the people what they want, right? It's really funny. I wonder if our audience is familiar with Ms. Rachel. If you're a parent, you're familiar with Ms. Rachel. It's like YouTube pushes her right up to the top of your feet.

I think it's a whole lot. Single liberal young adults are really fond of Miss Rachel as well too for some reason because they're in my comment section angry. Attacking you? Yeah. What are they saying? Aware of her too. That she's a saint, that she's a true

Christian. She is compared to Mr. Rogers and her social justice and everything. She's everything I'll never be. Wait, does she not have kids herself? She does. Oh, she does have kids. I believe she has two. One was actually

through surrogacy. So that's a fun fact. And then she was able to have one herself? I believe so. There's got to be a story there. There's got to be. You should look into that, make your next video about how liberal commies

don't actually want to bear their own children or something. I don't know. Maybe it was a medical condition. I don't want to get ahead of myself. That's strange. Maybe she struggled and you know, all right, whatever. So Mick has a question that I want to read to you guys. He says, please read for me. He goes, for the guests, what is the toughest part of the debates and pick up the mics?

And what is the most gratifying part of it? We'll start. We'll go in this order. Sure. I mean, I would say the toughest part is you don't know what they're going to ask. I think there's the improv. To bring it back to theater, there's the improv element there. And then the most rewarding is that, was that the second part he said, most rewarding?

is changing someone's mind, of course. Yeah. But they can't prove us wrong. Either in person or online. Right. Right. And then, sorry, more than that is when you do change their mind, ultimately. Yeah.

Love that. The toughest part is students will come up with a vague impression of an idea with no sites, no examples, no facts, and they will ask you about it. And you'll say, okay, what exactly are we talking about here? And they're like, I don't know, I just saw something online about it two weeks ago. And I'm like, well, let's get something tangible. But the most gratifying part is I talk to women about why feminism is lied to them, why it's a failure as an ideology, and we should completely move on from it as a country. And usually we'll bring people in with those kinds of anti-feminist statements.

And they come in and I address them, I say their name, I talk to them kindly, I smile at them. And they're like, oh, you're not really mean and awful and nasty and horrible. And so when I'm able to actually give a testament and not be exactly what they expect me to be, and they actually have a good conversation experience with me, that does a lot. Awesome. That's amazing. The hardest part I would say is separating the ideology from the person. And I'll use Islam as a great example. Like, I love Muslims so much.

They're my whole family, my bloodline, my friends. But I stand so firmly against Islam that it is not even funny. And having to separate your own flesh and like your own beliefs around that and just loving the person but being so harsh on the truth and radical ideology. That's definitely the hardest part. But it's probably the most rewarding as well. I will say the most rewarding though is when I'm debating Muslims on college campuses, they, the, you know, the MSA, you know, in Islamic culture, the women are not going to engage with the men. And when I'm engaging with the men on campus and we catch them and we show them some truth or something they didn't know,

I always look at the crowd and I notice the Muslim women in the hijabs are the ones that are watching so intently, almost like taking mental notes and they engage so beautifully with it afterwards. Like I would never get a chance to talk to them. But seeing somebody who they've never seen lose a debate on the Muslim side lose to something like, you know, a basic point that I would bring up is the most rewarding thing. What are some of the basic points you bring up in the Islam debate that, like, spins their head up. Yeah, so a lot of people argue Islam as a Christian heresy. It's actually a rabbinical Jewish heresy. So what I use is I only use the Torah to actually deconstruct just

the authority of the Quran. And I really just press them on the corruption claim. And the biggest thing, I'll give you probably the most powerful one I have right now. In Surah 17 verse 101, it says, Oh, children of Israel, you know, we clearly gave Moses nine clear signs. And it's referring to the 10 plagues in the Bible. Okay, but in the Quran, it's nine. And I press the Muslim, well, guess which plague is missing from the Quran. Guess what Mahabah never heard of? The Passover, the most important plague. And so I'll press the Muslims on, well, can you explain the Passover? A lot of them can't even do it because they never heard of it. But if they can do it, now I press them, okay, so the Passover, the festival of unleavened bread, everything in between, it's mentioned in the Bible about 70 times.

So if you're going to say that my scripture is corrupted, why did the Jews make up the Passover, the blood on the doorpost, the Passover, the Passover, the Passover, the Passover, the Passover, the festivals, and then practice it all the way from Exodus to the Last Supper through Corinthians. Yeah, exactly. it's a foreshadowing of Jesus being the firstborn son to die. Exactly. Right? As a sacrifice for our sins as Christian. Exactly.

So that's fascinating that they would leave out probably the climax of that story. It is. And the one that foreshadows Jesus, the true Messiah. Yeah. That's great. Okay, you brought up feminism, and I have the clip loaded now. You went viral for this. And it looks like you're basically...

Having a realization. Yeah, so we'll play it. We'll play it. it's pretty short but I love it go ahead and play 38 it's very short but the caption says when you realize the feminist movement is a government scam so they could get the other

half of the population working so they could double their tax intake and raise your children by their standards based that's exactly what feminism has intended to do and a lot of people think that feminism can take credit for getting women the ability to work at all the ability to vote the ability to wear pants the ability to speak freely

And I have a speaking series that I'm doing on a lot of college campuses where I bust these feminists, like, point by point. And so my entire life goal is to show women that they are actually the victims of feminism, and it's time to move on. We're not moving back to the 1950s. We're not moving back to a lot of people. But the point is, we're not moving back. And a lot of people on the right want to go back to this, like, ideological perfect time. But it's not going to happen. We need to move on and pass feminism to a spirit of femininity.

I won't make random statements that contradict your say. I'm just saying the 90s regret. Anthony, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. Please unmute yourself. Hey, Andrew. What's going on? Hey, man. What's going on?

Just working. You know, hopefully my baseball team can beat your rival tonight, but that would be asking a lot. Bring it. What are we at? 52 wins. You have more than me now, so let's just leave it like that. All right, what's going on? So actually, so here's my question, and it's kind of funny that you got the three guests on.

So maybe they can answer it since they've done training with media and everything. I've seen this because I'm on the campaign committee from my local town supervisor who's a Republican. We're trying to take back a one-year term from a far left, stay-at-home, 37-year-old dad who really has never worked. Why do Republicans, and excuse my language in this, I would say, I'll say suck, at messaging.

They have communications people. They can't communicate anything correctly. They just rather, and I know Andrew, you and Blake have talked about this, they would rather get up there and just give a press conference or a read-off a speech. They can't go off the cusp at all. Well, some of them can, but yeah, who wants to take that one? Why do Republicans suck at messaging so bad?

I'll take it. Please, no scary stuff like the Rachel thing. That kind of had me creeped out when I was laughing. Hey, that means I did a good job, right? That's the point. Miss Rachel's a terrifying cultural phenomenon. You'll never forget it. No, I won't.

I think that it has a lot to do with, conservatives and Christians abandoning ship. I actually love that sign over there. It says don't give up the ship. And I feel like for some reason, the creative gifts have been overtaken by liberals. That's actually one of my main callings. I would say, like, why I'm put on this earth is to encourage others to use gifts that God gave us for his glory without compromise.

And so for some reason, culturally, when it comes to the creative things like marketing or being able to talk in front of people with messages, it's been abandoned. So I don't know why that has occurred, but it's time we do it and we keep doing it. Part of an institutional capture like in Hollywood, right? It became dominated by the left, partly because of our inherent wiring, but then it just went full crazy, probably around the 70s, 80s, and then it's gone on until now. And, you know, that's a huge problem. So we need the long march back through the institutions,

and we need to create a counter-institution, parallel institutions as well. What do you think? 30 seconds. Art has always been pushing the boundaries of what's acceptable. And typically when you're pushing away from Christianity, you push toward the left. And so that is exactly why all of our institutions have been, quote, taken over by the left. But you're right.

We need a recovery of creativity and an embrace of creativity on the right so that we can be, quote-unquote, cool again. Right. Well, 10 seconds. We'll pause. I don't want to put you in that kind of bubble there. Great question, Anthony. Hillsdale College, great books 101, ancient to medieval course, is an absolute game changer. I'm taking it right now and you've got to check it out.

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learning today. That's charlie forhillsdale.com. Charlie forhillsdale.com. Learn deeply. Think clearly. Lead boldly. Carry it forward. We've got to ask us anything. We did a hot swap in the break. Now we have Shane Winnings, who is the chairman and CEO of Promise Keepers. You can find him on Instagram at shane dot winnings that's right boom all right we're going to get into it he's a great christie great debater you had one of the most viral clips from the last uh pick up the mic tour during the spring semester so our next up hold on i got elizabeth elizabeth welcome to the show please unmute yourself hi thank you so much for taking my call absolutely and i'm going to be a bit cheeky i know but j bans watches the show sometimes i would just forget they're out there that charlie would be a great

name for your baby coming in July. There it is. J.D. Anusha. Do you hear that? I endorse. Very good. What's your question, Elizabeth? Well, the reason I'm calling, and I apologize, the note that I had unfortunately went blank. But basically, when you're filling out any

kind of immigration forms, whether it be for the green card, coming in for a work visa or anything of that nature, you have to fill out in your form that you are not associated with a communist party or totalitarian regime or communism. So I was thinking if you are a person who loves communism and you lie on your form, could that be used to denaturalize all of these crazy foreign communists?

And we also use that to clean up our university systems that are filled with foreign communists. Yes. The short answer is yes. And we actually talked about that yesterday on the show that you could actually use that to deport some of these DSA radical commies that think they're heading into Congress next year. you could actually use that to deport and denaturalize them true story now have we ever done that have we ever had the guts to do that the as sean davis said who was on the show when we were talking about do you have the testicular fortitude to do that absolutely not they do not i would love to see them do this this is a perfect reason to use such a thing now you have to be very very careful about who you use it on chivalier would be my choice okay and this is why because she started an organization that has proudly and loudly claimed publicly that their job is to destroy Western civilization.

Okay, so if you want to be a congresswoman from the state of New York serving the entire country from D.C., and you want to destroy that country, you can get the heck out. Shane, am I wrong? No, I totally agree. I mean, even when I was in the military, we take an oath to defend everyone and defeat enemies, you know, foreign and domestic. And I think we need to recognize that these are. ideologies, they are enemies of what it means to be an American. So the fact that they can exist in this country, let alone take positions of power, it's mind-blowing to me. It feels like we're watching a

Black Mirror episode, and we need to do something about it. Yeah, there was this, so you can throw this tweet up. This was from Aesthetica. So the best thing the Trump administration could do in response to the communist terrorist being elected by New York City Dems is to just denaturalize and deport them using the Immigration and Nationality Act and the Communist Control Act of 1954. They are completely within the rights to do this. It will create a national scandal. Of course it will. Can you imagine the MS Now segments if they actually did this?

It would be apoplectic and totally beautiful. It will create a national scandal that will force mainstream Democrats to defend these radical communists, which they don't want to do. They want to ignore them. Most importantly, it sets a precedent and severely hampers the long-term plans of the DSA communist left. totally agree. I agree. So hopefully that answers your question. It's just going to take some will. That's all it's going to take. Tim, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. Please unmute yourself. Hey, everybody. Thanks for taking our question. Listen, we're a homeschool family here in Florida and our daughter, Natalie, really likes to study the American founding. And she's here beside me. She

actually has a question she would like to ask. Wonderful. That's sweet. Hello. My name is Natalie. Charlie have a favorite founding father? And if so, who was it? Yeah, Charlie liked a lot of the founding fathers. I'd say I'd heard him quote the, you know, Madison stuff a lot. I've heard him quote Adams a lot. Obviously, we all love George Washington. But yeah, Madison, I think because of his contributions to the Federalist Papers was a big one. John Jay was another writer of the Federalist Papers. So yeah, I would say that's probably my take. know, I wish Blake was here for this, but I'm pretty sure Madison would probably be right up there at the top in Adams. And Adams had that great quote saying the, you know, the Constitution was written

for a, only for a moral and religious people and was inadequate for any other. And so he often quoted that. He talked about Thomas Payne quite a bit, but Thomas Payne ended up kind of embracing the French Revolution. So I think he liked his quotes, but didn't like the trajectory ultimately of of his story, if that makes sense. Does that answer your question? Yeah, thanks. Wonderful. Of course.

Who do we got next? Gina? Gina, welcome to the show. Please unmute yourself. Hi, everybody. I don't mean to be a downer, but I have to tell you. Every time I watch your show and Charlie's in the commercials, my heart just breaks.

I can't. And I was on Charlie's show not long before he passed. I was on your show, not long after he passed. I'm sorry, I was with him before he passed, of course, and with you after he passed. I had some questions when the Candace thing first hit. And I was on your show, and then she played a clip of me on your show, on her show. I'm still. I am not.

I'm not well about it all. there are still so many questions and I don't expect you're going to answer those today I still like to sign on to the show from time to time when I can tolerate it I want to ask the question to try to keep you guys on track with the topic that you've got going today my question was your theater

you pointed Andrew to a theater leariness and Theater kids. I would just like to know a little bit more about why you've got that background. I think it's one you share with other people. And then you've got theater kids right there on your show today. So here we go. We have one. We made one exception, Gina. I feel so special. So you're basically wondering, you know, how, you know, how are we going to protect the country against the rise of the theater kid left? Is that your question? Well, that was something else that was said right after I posed my first question,

and I thought that plays right in because, yes, they do. And I don't mean to point fingers at you. Well, she's one of the good ones, so that's good. But, yeah. Why do you think it is that the theater kid thing is a thing? Why are they so bent that way? I've thought about this a lot. And I think theater offers a family.

When you do a show, you're with each other for long. hours for long periods of time and you they call it like your theater family and so unfortunately the kids who don't relate to their parents for for various reasons find a new new family in theater and unfortunately because Christians have abandoned the theater space they're performing plays that are leftist liberal propaganda leading them down the path of a terrible life and so that is the more moral of the story that they're putting on with these shows with their new family. And that sounds like the definition of a cult slightly.

And so it's been like a collection of misfits. You guys got theories on this? You know, whenever I see really masculine men being forced into like feminine roles in theater and they get celebrated by like the entire school, I'm like, you know, it made us not the best thing to do. Like Hugh Jackman. Let's not go there, okay? This one is the good ones?

See one of the good ones. don't bring him into this. That's my hot take. Shave, you got a take on this? I mean, it is the running joke. Like, you know, my kid can do anything except drama or theater. And I think it's just because of the culture that we're in. It would be great if it could shift the other way.

You know, I remember being a young boy doing plays at church. And that was cool. But then, you know, the first time I did drama in like seventh grade, I realized this is a very different animal. And maybe that's by design. So I think anything we see that's like corrupting the minds or tends to have a path that the outcomes are kind of the same. I'm going to steer away from that. Unfortunately, Tom is one of those.

That makes me sad on some level to hear you say that though, Shane, because I do, I think that we need to reclaim the institution. Oh, I agree. Like long march back. And so when I see like even, you know, Top Gun Maverick, for example, you know, Tom Cruise for all his faults, we could go into them. he's a patriot he loves america through and through and i felt like maverick was a great americana film and i'd love to see more films like that same and you know you see this uh citizen vigilante um which is a german guy that was just kind of had enough and he was like hey i'm going to tell the real story about some of these grooming gangs and things like this you know

film is powerful and we need theater we i want some conservative theater kids that aren't bad at their jobs. You know, that's the problem. I think conservatives sometimes feel restrained by their traditional values and there's something about that median, where medium, where it, like you said, it's pushing the boundaries. So you're almost like, it's almost like a PhD student that like their whole thing is to come up with new theories, whether or not they're good or not or whether they're productive or not, whether it's true or not, right? They have to advance academia somehow. Hi, folks, Andrew Colvett here. I'd like to tell you about my friends over at Y. Reefi. You've probably been hearing me talk about Y Reefi for some time now. We are all in with these guys. If you

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Josiah, welcome to the show. Unmute yourself. Hey, team, thanks for the opportunity. I wanted to ask about something I'm passionate about, which is retaining information and then be able to articulate very clearly through communication. And I was wondering what tips or things that you guys have learned in the communication space. And also if there's something as like a boot camp or training that would be available to a student to also get on that magic as well. Why don't you guys answer that?

What are you learning? Yeah, I've got a quick one for you. So it's the big three. It's called read, write, speak. If you can't speak, then you need to write more. If you can't write a lot, then go read more. And you can kind of reverse engineer that formula. So then now if you want to become an excellent speaker, you have a systematic way to do that.

So if you don't have things to talk about, write more about those things. It'll help you with your public speech, your ability to actually, like, formulate those ideas live and communicate them in an effective way. And if you don't have things to write about, well, go read some books that you're really, really passionate about. You can run that system for pretty much any, like, knowledge base that you want to have. That's what I'd say. That's what I do. Yeah, I still use flashcards, and I write them myself. So I think, again, writing something down, even the Bible talks about in Philippians 4, like, to meditate or to dwell. And one of those translations is to write at length. And so it's like, the more you write these things, it actually gets ingrained in your brain. And then it's just reps.

You know, when you're talking about the recall, you have to get those reps in so that you can lower your heart rate, lower your cortisol, be able to remember a lot of people get emotional and hot conversations or debates or when they're put on the spot. So I think just getting the reps in and knowing you're going to be a little rusty in the beginning. I have no notes. I have nothing to add. That's spectacular. Some of the things that we talked about yesterday, like I said, is understanding the, and Andrew Wilson,

his great debater was actually teaching part of the debate class that we had. So I would recommend checking out his stuff because he's fantastic. And he uses logic to deconstruct. the assertions of the left, if you will. And what's interesting is you realize that a lot of people make assertions, they make truth claims that are based on zero evidence. So just asking great questions is a huge, huge asset to you when you debate. Charlie used the Socratic method expertly in his debates.

So you just say, hey, what evidence do you have for that? Oh, have you read the study? You know, you just keep probing deeper in. And oftentimes when you're kind of deconstructing somebody else's debate, if you can just allow them to make a fool of themselves. People love seeing that, actually, if you're doing a live debate, for example. They love to see dumb people saying dumb things and making themselves look dumb doing it. I know that's cynical maybe to say.

Obviously, we have a heart for the people across from us. But if their ideas are poisoning the country and they're destructive to our country, it's okay to let those ideas expose themselves for being false and ultimately terrible, right? You want the idea to look bad. And sometimes that's going to mean the people that believe in the. those ideas are going to look bad. So you don't always have to be the biggest genius in the room to do that. You just let them out themselves and reveal themselves. And I mean, you, I saw a clip of Shane. Shane went super viral from our spring semester and you just kept asking questions.

Yeah. You just kept, what is a fetus? What is it? Right. You were having an abortion debate. Tell us about that. Yeah, I mean, you know, again, I'm not a high IQ person like Charlie. I don't think we have anybody like Charlie. He was one of one of one. And so just being myself, I'm like, look, I'm a very common sense person. You know, I was in the Army, so you got to get used to speak into, like, the private in the room who's just out of high school. And so I ask a lot of questions, hey, what do you mean by that? Okay, you're going to use this word. What does that mean to you?

And the more you let them talk, one, the longer you have to think about what you're going to say. But you realize, like you said, they're not saying anything of substance. A lot of these kids are regurgitating buzzwords or phrases. They're regurgitating a TikTok video. They don't know what it even means. And so just having a basic understanding of like, what does fetus mean? It means offspring, little human. Okay, rephrase your sentence.

I want to be able to kill the little human. And it doesn't sound so good. They don't like saying that. That's just one way to kind of walk someone into a trap. Yeah. And you are particularly good at the faith stuff. I mean, you're the chairman and CEO of promise keepers. Tell us about that.

Yeah, I've been blessed to lead that, founded in 1990 by Coach McCartney, who's in heaven right now with Charlie. And, you know, we are a national Christian men's ministry. our goal is to equip every man in Christ to become better husbands, fathers, and citizens. We've got to get involved as citizens. And so we're grateful through conferences, curriculum, campus tours. We're raising up the men of America.

You strengthen the man, you strengthen the family. And little plug, you know, the number one opposition to a Marxist ideology is a strong family led by a strong man. That's what P.K. aims to raise up. Amen. It was interesting. I was talking with Andrew Wilson yesterday, and he was like, you know, asking, kind of like, post me. If you know anything about Andrew Wilson, he's like the Darth Vader of the right. He's like, he's a pretty savage debate.

Great analogy. Yeah. He's great, though. And the Orthodox Christian guy, but he was like, hey, so, you know, challenged me to articulate our vision at turning point. I was like, you know, it hasn't changed. He's like, well, what is it? You know, and I was like, it's to empower Gen Z to live out the American dream,

to have babies, get married, afford a family, not be debt slaves, and to pursue their Christian faith boldly and proudly and get in the public square. I mean, it's like that's, because that is the bedrock of any country. It is. You need strong men. You need strong women, too, absolutely. But there's been such an assault against young men. And I think that's ultimately where Charlie shined so much, is that he gave young men the courage of their own conviction to speak loudly and proudly and unapologetically in the face of, you know, this toxic masculinity and this, you know, these accusations that are hurled on young men to cow us and, you know, put us in a low position.

No, we are meant to be strong. Our shoulders broad and fully confident. Right. And women want to follow a strong man. And a strong man is not lording over a woman. He's not dragging her along. He's leading her. You know, just like if I was dropped off in a jungle with my family,

I'm not a mile ahead of them. I'm just one step ahead. I'm taking the hits first. That's what a godly man does, a leader. And so be a man worth following. And be inspired by these young people that are going out on campus, leading ministries, both of you, leading the theater kid charge back to the right. And they're taking, they're picking up the mantle and they're picking up the mic,

and we're proud of them, and we're grateful for them to be with us here on campus. We try and win the next generation for the country, for Christ, and for the future. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.