The Charlie Kirk Show - Free Speech: America's Most Unique Right

Episode Date: October 5, 2026

Does any country but America have real freedom of speech? It's not looking like, it based on the saga of Nathan Cofnas, who faces a new effort to put him in jail after he exposed fraudulent Cambridge professor Jason Arday. Cofnas joins the show to discuss European elites whom he says can't even grasp the concept of free expression. Raheem Kassam talks about how riots in France signal Europe reaching a tipping point on mass migration. Congressional candidate Jay Feely joins, and the team discusses promising election results in Brazil. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com!    Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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touch grass, go do it. Get off your phone. It will change your life for the better. I certainly feel that way. So I'm catching up on the news as well. And so we're just going to get into it. And the big news out of the weekend from all accounts is what's going on in Brazil. Heck yeah. So there is just, you know, I want to actually say this because it feels a little crazy. one of the first things we did when I joined the show was the last election in Brazil, which was not a good one. It was, of course, very close. The incumbent conservative president, hire Bolsonaro. I remember Charlie would always say Bolsonaro, because he would assume it was a Spanish name, but actually it is just Bolsonaro.

And he lost to Lula, the left-wing guy. It was very close. It was one of those suspicious races where all the early results were in his favor. And then in the northeast part of the country, which is the most left-wing. wing, the poorest, the shadiest in a lot of ways. Late results gave Lula this very narrow victory. And then they had stuff where they had kind of their version of January 6th, were some supporters of Bolsonaro, occupied the Capitol building.

Bolsonaro is in Orlando for a bit. It's been pretty dramatic. Brazil is like America, but on steroids in a lot of ways. They have even more aggressive judges, even more aggressive lawfare. And now they have, it looks like, and. even more dramatic comeback because Bolsonaro's son, Flavio Bolsonaro, he ran for president against Lula. It was their first round and he won 4745.

It's headed to a runoff, so it's not a secure thing yet, but it's looking. Odds are very strong that will get a conservative win there. Yeah. So it's going to a runoff. That's going to happen October 25th. So it's not a huge long. I actually kind of appreciate that, that the elections happen pretty close together. But what's interesting about this story is, as you said,

said the parallels to some of the Trump saga that we've all lived through. I mean, he survived an assassination attempt. They banned him for running for office. He's now serving a 27-year sentence. His son is running to get his father out of prison. That is actually part of his, he's going to seek amnesty for his father. And so what's also interesting is that he was losing in the polls. The polls had the polls had Lula up. And yet here they have this massive surge. People are taken to the streets. And then what's crazy. So obviously, Flavio, is the eldest son of Jairair. I've met him in person.

I should know that. But then get this. Michelle Bolsonaro, the wife and Flavio's stepmother, she was elected senator for the federal district, her first elected office as the top vote getter there. Carlos Bolsonaro, the second son, was elected senator for Santa Catarina. Jair Renan Bolsonaro, the youngest son,

who's only 28, elected to federal deputy for San Antonio. to Catarina. Renato Bolsonaro, Jair's brother, also won a seat in Congress. And according to Brazilian reporting on the family's results, Eduardo Bolsonaro, third son, did not run. He has been living in the United States. So you got the whole, you got the whole family right there accounted for. But yeah, I actually met Jaira before he was imprisoned. Very nice man. Very, very gregarious, tons of charisma. And so this is just a fascinating story. And then on the backdrop of this, what a lot of people are pointing out is that since USAID has been demolished and deconstructed, you've got a crazy trend of right-wing candidates throughout South America winning election. And this is the crazy part,

I think, for all of us to look at this, right? Since USA aid was dismantled, Latin America's right-wing keeps winning and its left keeps losing. So by an average, if you look at all this together, plus 23 points. Yeah. I don't, I, I, it's, it's, it's beyond a conspiracy theory. It might not be, it might be causation without correlation or correlation without causation, rather, but it is fascinating. It's really interesting to me. I doubt there's a direct causal thing. I think one thing that actually matters a lot, for example, is just in El Salvador. They had Buckele. He did a lot, a bunch of right wing policies.

But is he like 90% popular, something like that. You know, he massively cracks down on crime, on crime. gangs, sends the murder rate down to practically zero, massively fixes up the country. He kind of showed, as people say, you can just do things, that you can actually defeat these gangs if you are hard-headed enough. And I think that was massively popular. All of these Latin American countries have similar problems with a lot of cartels, powerful gangs, sometimes vestigial Marxist revolutionary groups. And he says, if you are tough with them, you can defeat these guys. And I think that plus a few other vibe shifts. You know, they had a lot of these countries went. Venezuela. Yeah, a lot of these countries went, yeah, they saw the Venezuelan failure.

A lot of these countries went hard on actually immigration. They took, for example, Chile took in a lot of Haitian immigrants proportionally like Biden wave level amounts of Haitian immigrants didn't go great. So I think all of them sort of saw the failure of left-wing government all at the same time. Chile had a plus 16 point victory for the right wing in December. Yes. So we're getting all these wins. But I will say also, Mike Bens did point this out that when Jaira Bolsonaro won in 2018, there was a big surge in USAID funding that went to Brazil.

And it wasn't for political stuff, but it was for support of civil society and a lot of stuff that they'll present as neutral. And it was like $80 million. Think about how much money that would be in U.S. Politics just going to various nonprofits here. in a much poorer country like Brazil, that can go a long way. Yeah, and you see the map right there of all the right. So Honduras, right wing wins by 21 points.

Costa Rica, the right wing wins by 43.6 points. Columbia, one point. There's a squeaker. Ecuador, 11 point win. Peru, 0.3, another squeaker, but it won. Bolivia, 23.6% right wing win. Chile, six. I mean, these are not even close calls in most of these countries.

And now Brazil, as you said, that is almost like, So what we'll often talk about with the United States is this, the demographic shifts that we've seen in the last 40 years. It's the Brazilification of America, right? This you become much more sectarian, much more tribalized. We don't like it. You don't, it's not a good thing. But Brazil already has that on steroids compared to the United States. So a lot of what you see happening in Brazil does feel like a mere image of the United States.

And this is, I think, a promising trend. What's also frustrating, though, Blake, is. is that you've got the whole of South America, one of the most resource-rich environments. These countries are all going to be working in cooperation closely with Marco Rubio at State. These are going to be allies now. And yet we're having, I would say, a pendulum swing back in the United States

where all of a sudden DSA is popular with people, which is terrifying, which needs to be stopped. And we're going to talk about that. We're going to have Jay Feeley on here in just a little bit. Then we're going to turn our attention to, Europe. So while the West is in crisis, in some of these stories out of England, out of France, they're terrifying. You've got migrant boats arriving at the coast of England instead of defending their shores. They're kicking out local residents. We've got riots in France. This uprising is

happening throughout the West and it's driven by leftists. And meanwhile, in South America, they're finally coming back to grips with common sense. A very funny thing in Brazil, you can vote if you're abroad. And so there's a lot of American Brazilians who are voting. in that election. And they actually have the results by different cities. So for example, there's a lot of Brazilians in Florida. They're voting hard for Bolsonaro. So Orlando, that has a lot of votes for Bolsonaro. Miami, I believe, was pro Bolsonaro. And then the left-doing ones, Brazilians move to D.C., oh, they're supporting Lula. Brazilians in the Bay Area, they're supporting Lula. It matches some funny patterns there. I'd say one of the biggest white pills of this is,

if all of those countries can swing to the right, we do have a lot of Hispanics in the U.S., I think that will hopefully set a trend where they could think, oh, wait, conservative government in Latin America is going well, is making our home countries better. Hopefully that mentality would spill over into the U.S. Well, I'm a big believer. Listen, I'm the $20 burrito guy. I didn't mean to be. I understand things are too expensive, but on the home front, there is so many wins that we need to just keep reiterating. The economy is far better than people give it credit for. I know a lot of us don't feel it. I know that things are too expensive. But there are so many wins. We cannot give up the wins that we have enjoyed that we have, we're currently reaping the benefits of. We have

negative migration out of this country. We've got to stay focused, folks. So this Brazil election, let's throw up 145 this image. So you've got Flavio at 47 percent of the vote and Lula at 45. Neither got to 50 percent. So it will go to runoff. However, there's a lot of right-wing candidates that, assuming those right-wing candidates would probably vote for Flavio, he's actually got an amazing chance to take back power in Brazil. And another dynamic that a lot of people are talking about is what President Trump has pointed out. You can see it right here, 141, Trump's truth. 125 million people voted today in the first round of Brazil's presidential election. The results came out shortly after the vote closed on the same day in Detroit, Philadelphia,

California, and numerous other U.S. cities and states. The results, with much smaller, numbers will often take weeks to rig. I mean, calculate. Voting in America is corrupt President DJT. So this is now where we kind of turn our sights. Because you mentioned when Lula was elected, there was a lot of shenanigans. It seemed like the blue, there was votes that were ginned up in those deep liberal progressive enclaves in Brazil. So are we going to see that again? That becomes a question, right? But it is worth pointing out you can count your ballots on election. election day, other countries that are far inferior to the United States do it. And yet we insist on a voting system that leaves us hanging in the wind and open to shenanigans. So if you think that

I'm a conspiracy theorist for even bringing this up, maybe you should look in the mirror and just figure out how to count your votes on election days, like Florida does, for example, like Brazil does, like France does. So the fact that we cannot have a vote count on the same day remains an utter national disgrace. Well, one of the favorite left-wing words of the past decade or so is gaslighting where they say, you know, they just lie to you to your face about what you can see. And the stuff about our elections is a top

example of that, that as we see, literally even much poorer, much less developed countries, Brazil has the Amazon in it. If anyone had an excuse where they could say, oh, it's going to take a while to get some of these votes in from this random

village that's deep in the Amazon or whatever, they would have that excuse. But In fact, of course, they can count 99.9% of their ballots in a single evening. And then here in the U.S., we have to have New York is going to take weeks to count their ballots this cycle. California will take possibly more than a month to count its ballots in this cycle. And every cycle, they seem to get worse. And they're going to tell us there's perfectly justifiable reasons. We'll get these articles from the New York Times that say, actually, there's no evidence, there's anything untoward about this.

And it's just no one believes it because even, First of all, you shouldn't allow it even if nothing untoward is happening because it just looks wrong. Part of running a successful democratic system, a system where we vote is not merely that it should be fair, but it should look fair. That's why we have rules about what judges can do, that judges can't do stuff that makes them appear biased. It undermines the system. Having an electoral system where you take weeks to count the ballots where there's, oh, there's a new dump of votes that arrived way later than all the others, and it might be way different from earlier votes is going to make people say,

this system sounds phony, this system sounds BS, I don't trust it, I'm going to embrace more radical ideology and response. Can't allow it. Of course. That is ultimately what happens is the cynicism sets in with the electorate

and they do get more radicalized and we're seeing that with young people, by the way, a turning point all over the country, right? When they feel like the system is rigged against them, that's when you get radical politics. But I want to set this up in a bigger, way here. And we talk about how Brazil in some ways is the, it's almost like the ghost of Christmas

future. This is what we're, we're looking at demographically. And that is what this is all about. Why we can't have secure elections in the United States is because they want to import new voters. That's the whole game. This is actually what they're playing at. And I can prove it to you. This is CNN. They tell you, guess what? Replacement or ideology is a conspiracy theory. Oh, but also, Here's how we're going to turn Georgia blue permanently. Stop four. Georgia's still a red state, a purple state, or a state about to tip blue. It's a big and legitimate question because of the rapid pace of demographic change here.

Back in 2000, Georgia's population was 65% white. That's down to 48% now. Blacks were 29% of the Georgia population in 2000. That's up to 32%. Hispanics were 5% back in 2000. More than 12% now. And the Asian vote is also growing fast. just 2% of the population back in 2000, now above 5%.

So this is Marietta campus. Kerry Folks lives in Atlanta, sees the change every drive to his graduate school studies in Marietta. Suburban Cobb County was solid red 15 years ago. Solid blue now. Oh, you see that? It's always revealing. Yeah, but here, this is the one-two punch.

You got to play that clip and now listen to Bernie Sanders, who used to be against mass migration and open borders, but he gets it now. Check it out. SOT 1. And what we have got to do is move this country as soon as possible to comprehensive immigration reform and a path toward

citizenship. You see this? These clues are all around you. If you can put them together, their whole point is the Brazilification of America. That's what they want to do. So Brazil is the ghost of Christmas future. This is what we're looking at in our very

very near demographic future. And it's all crazy. Brazil's a crazy place. We do not want to emulate Brazil where they throw Bolsonaro in prison for 27 years. We do not want that. Go ahead, I was just thinking you look at these videos and they say, oh, George's tilting blue. Is the narrative ever, oh, Republican governance has failed in this rapidly growing state?

No, it's basically never that. It's always just that demographic change. Yeah. It's, I don't know that I've ever in recent history seen a story that says this state is tilting blue because Democrats have won elections and done incredibly well with their policies. It is entirely identity-based stuff. And that's the only every reason they ever stay blue. No one thinks California is well-run. No. No even Democrats think. And how do they, what's their pitch to voters? What's the left-wing pitch to voters? I'll show it to you. Sot two.

Well, we're going to lower costs for the American people. We've got to win the House and or the Senate. Well, well, how will we do this? I have legislation with, Chris Van Hollen. We've got to get Republicans on board. It raises taxes for people who make over a million dollars a year in income, and it provides tax cuts for people, individuals, and even couples who make up to about $160,000 a year. That's some relief. So you see that. The whole game is there. They want demographic replacement. They want a third world America. And then they want to tax the producers to give money to the people they imported. It's the whole game. The whole game is we give you free stuff. If you come in here and we're going to pay you with debit cards and free housing

and free airfare to the place you want to go, you can bring in your Tias and your Tos and your nephews and your nieces and we'll do this chain migration thing. And you're going to vote Democrat because they're going to take money from rich white people and they're going to give it to the people they imported. It's the whole game. It's the whole game. It's not because, to Blake's point, that they run anything well. It's not that their progress, as they call it, makes anything better, makes it all worse. But that's what they want. They want to dismantle the things that have made America productive, successful, and rich, thriving, a beautiful place that people want to come to. Got to stop it. You can't let it happen.

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So you are in a dog fight, but we're basically based, based on all the polling I've seen and you confirm this to me. It's like neck and neck. It's 50-50, which is, I can't stress enough for the audience how important your seat is for defending Congress in the House. We need to keep it in Republican hands. I think you are the perfect guy for this.

And so let's just start fresh with our audience because we've already done this, but maybe people forget your backstory, you are NFL kicker, you're a broadcaster. Let's start there. All right. So actually, after college, I didn't get drafted.

So I didn't go right into the NFL. Where did you go to college? I went to Michigan. Go blue. I'm sorry about that. Won a national championship. My senior year, met my wife at the beginning of that year. It was a pretty good year for us.

Danny groaning in the background. He's an Ohio State fan. Go blue. So I became a financial advisor. I did that for a couple of years. I opened my own office and I didn't know if I'd ever get in the NFL. Kept doing tryouts. My wife would, she was working too.

So literally we would go to the middle school down the road and I would kick and she'd shag balls and you know kept the dream alive and and all of a sudden I get an opportunity to go into camp and I end up winning the job and now you're in the NFL you know I'll tell you a funny story it's my my rookie year where we have a little too better apartment that we rented we have our first child and so you know I go to practice games go home and and we go back and this is like 2001 you know so there's no social media you go back and you're watching ESPN and watching the highlights and and my first game winner was on my daughter's first birthday we go home to our apartment. We're sitting there.

And I'm watching the highlights. And Chris Berman goes, Jay, see me, touch me, feely with the game winner. So Chris Berman gives me a nickname. I'm like, this is the greatest thing ever. Like I made it. Chris Berman gave me a nickname. That was that, I mean, Chris Berman and it is like rumbling, bumbling, stumbling, bumbling, bumbling. Yeah. The radios. We want to be saying, we want to be seeing whoop for you.

Exactly. I know. So I played 14 years. I went right into broadcasting, broadcast for 10 years. You know, on the business side, I said, on a couple of private boards, one here in Scottsdale, private companies and helped start a couple of other companies, one in the longevity industry actually here in Arizona. And decided, though, you know, that honestly, it was God's push. You know, God was pushing me. My wife kept encouraging me the last couple of years, hey, what is God's purpose for you? Is it broadcasting? And candidly, I kept pushing back on her like, hey, I only have to work five months of the year. I get

seven months off. I love the job. I got to go do football games. And I get paid really well. Stop trying to push me out of this job. But I did really get to that point. I felt that way. When President Trump was shot, I've said that was a big moment for me where I started saying, hey, what are you willing to give up? What comforts are you willing to sacrifice for your country? And I have a brother in the Coast Guard and one in the Air Force.

So, you know, I know what real sacrifice is. Running for office is not real sacrifice like serving our country is. But it is a type of sacrifice. Oh, it's a huge sacrifice. And we do need people who don't need the job, who want to go there not to enrich. themselves we have politicians on both sides that go there to create a career to stay in office to enrich themselves and we need the opposite we need people that are willing to go there sacrificially and stand up for their beliefs i mean we need we need christians in office like no questions i remember

the first time you were in our studio and the thing i told tyler when we convened later and he was like how did it go and i was like it's amazing i was like j's a real christian like you're a out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks and you spoke so much about what your family means to you what your kids mean to you the fact that they're believers the fact that you get to raise your kids like that and I could just see how much because I feel that too my kids faith and the quality of their education yeah it's it means everything that's right everything else flows from the foundation of faith and so I really believe that we need Christians it's this whole like boogeyman this Christian nationalism all this kind that's not what this is it's do you

have values to not be corrupted by your office? Do you have values to put the country first, to put your values in the public sphere and defend like our values and traditions and our history, our heritage? Do you have enough values to not despise America? I say a lot of people very clearly do. So I start with this. I'm a sinner, saved by grace, trying to live for Christ on a daily basis. And I don't ever try to, you know, go out there and present an image that I'm perfect by any means. You know, but I am trying on a daily basis. I get up every morning, my wife and I, we pray to put on God's armor and protection, and then we try to honor him and everything we do, the way in which we think, the way in which

we act, the way in which we speak. And I think if you do that, like Speaker Johnson was out here this past week, and, you know, we did a couple events together. We did one with some pastors where we didn't talk politics at all, but just encourage them. And, you know, he gave a great quote from John Quincy Adams. And John Quincy Adams says, duty is ours. The results are gods. And that's where I'm residing for the next 30 days.

Like, let me do everything I can do because this seat is consequential. It will matter. Right now, if you look at Cook Report, there's probably 21 seats in the house that are up for grabs. You know, we've got to win basically half those seats to keep the house. And we know the difference that this country will look like if Republicans keep the house and we're able to then go forward the next two years and continue all these plans that are having positive impacts in our country, reshoring manufacturing, resetting trade pranks. parameters, the lowest crime in 60 years, you know, the tax cuts, you know, to all the individuals,

you know, mostly which are for people that are making less than $100,000. You know, all these measures that you can look at and say, hey, the country's on the right track. We're doing the right things. Even though, you know, we want inflation to be lower and we want cost to come down for the average individual. But the answers on the other side are all higher taxes. I heard Mark Kelly say it yesterday.

They asked him an interview. He's like, I want to bring down cost. And they're like, well, how do you do that? More taxes. That was his answer. We were talking about this last week that they'll make a deal out of gas prices, which we should worry about. But at the same time, it's like they're shutting down refineries in California. Like their entire long-term agenda is make gasoline more expensive, make energy more expensive.

No question. Because everything they did when they got an office, they shut down the Keystone pipeline. They stopped the leases in the Gulf and in the Pacific. They, you know, stopped LNG exports. everything they did was based on this green new deal that was going to produce less energy. And I always give the example when I'm talking to people of Germany. Because, you know, Democrats, when they create policy, they base it on intention. Like if the intention is good, you know, they're trying to protect the environment.

They're trying to help poor people. If the intention is good, it's the right policy in their minds. Whereas Republicans, conservatives, we're like, no, if the result is good, then that's the right policy. It doesn't matter if your intention is good. you get the wrong policy. I don't even buy the fact that our intentions are good. Well, I'm being as generous as I can be. You look at California, Gavin Newsom spends $37 billion on homelessness.

They have twice as many homeless. You look at Germany. Germany says, hey, we want to get rid of fossil fuels. We want to go to renewables and we get rid of nuclear. And what's the end result? Their energy costs have doubled and they're relying on Russia, a foreign adversary for their energy. Terrible policy. I just feel like one of the best arguments in favor of Republican governance,

conservative governance, is look at any jurisdiction at the state level. where Republicans have won five elections in a row, and then look at one more Democrats have won five elections in a row. What are the trajectories of those two places? And even if it's in, oh, it's a flyover state, it's boring. It almost certainly has low cost of living. It certainly has probably has a growing population, growing economy. All these things are going well.

And then in the Democrat states, California, Illinois, Colorado even, the state that was booming became a blue state. And now it's another state that people, they don't really want to go there anymore. Yeah. And it's a, what their plan is, is demographic replacement. They're very honest about it, pathway to citizenship. They want the Brazilification of America. And what they want to do is they want to tax the productive class to the bone.

And they want to give that money in freebies and buy votes. That's the whole plan. It's not because they're running their states well. It's not because they're running their cities well. It's because they're promising free free giveaways to their voters they just imported. And they're being honest about it for the first time. Totally. So you heard Chuck.

you heard congressman tom suzie up in new york he said i couldn't believe this he said my number one priority the most important thing i want to do in congress is to give an amnesty to the tens of millions of people that we allowed across the border there his number okay so your number one priority is not to protect the people of america your constituents your number one priority isn't to create the right economy or to bring down cost no it's to give amnesty to the illegals that you allow to come across the border like that's assinine but thank you for being honest about it so that we can a contrast for the voters. Well, this is Arizona Democrat Joanna Mendoza. She's literally attacking every good thing I like about this state. Stop five. The big beautiful bill tax cuts, spending cuts.

Good for Congressional District 6? No, we're hearing from folks that the tax cuts for billionaires actually are hurting everyday working folks. Oh, so like no tax on tips, no tax on overtime, no tax on Social Security. That's actually hurting. doubling the child tax credit allowing your auto loan interest to be deductible by the way that's about 70 million people that have taken advantage on their last on their last tax forms of those specific tax deductions and the majority 90% are under $100,000. It is so ridiculous and so assigne. And Amisha says the same thing.

He says, I want to get rid of the working family tax cuts. It's the number one thing he wants to do. Let's get rid of that. And at the same time, he says, you know, I care about affordability and I want to drive down costs. No. And then when they ask him, okay, how are you going to drive down the cost of housing? More subsidies, government subsidies.

The answer is always government spending. It's always more government control because that is the socialist model. And it doesn't work. We've tried this so many times. All it does is ruin things. All it does is lead to malaise. All it does is lead to stagnation. Arizona is like I moved here after Charlie was killed from California.

And I came here and I instantly you could feel it like this is a right of center state that people are happy. the kids are growing up healthy they have choices where they send their kids to school businesses are able to thrive the cost of living is still like reasonable but it's it's under threat like and it's crazy like all you have to do is go live where I live for five seconds and realize the blessings of the state we got to keep it red we got to keep cd1 red all right jay you're this is an irony i didn't realize you're running against a socialist and if you're If you live in the Phoenix area, you'll see some signs that literally just have him with Bernie Sanders. And, you know, he's like, you know, Amishah, the socialist.

She just says elect your local socialists. Yeah, elects your local. And, but what's an irony, like, I can't even believe a socialist is running neck and neck with you. Because you're quality people. You're well known. Your name ideas through the roof around here. Um, because of all your years with the Cardinals. But he was actually, didn't he like, wasn't he a doctor at the, for the team or something?

When I was with the Jets, when I was playing for the Jets. Oh, it was with the Jets. He was a sideline doctor during the games, like an airway specialist, which is just some irony. I was the one who figured that out. I'm like, I think, let me see if he was on the team, you know, working for them when I was playing there. What is with doctors and nurses and teachers?

And they're just, they tend to be, I don't know as much about doctors, but like those professions, you know, were the ones that celebrated Charlie's death the most, by far the most. And I don't know. The most disgusting things I've ever seen. Totally. And I don't understand what the draw is. But let's compare and contrast you to.

I mean, what's he for? What are you for? So the easiest way to compare and contrast is capitalism versus socialism. And he will try to present himself as a moderate. That's what he's trying to do. Here's the reality is he has been a Bernie Sanders guy for 10 years. He's campaigned with Bernie Sanders. He has credited Bernie Sanders with taking the Democrat Party from where they were

and moving them to where they are currently and thinks that's a very positive thing. thinks that's good? No, that's exactly right. Now, he had a choice in his primary because the Democrats came out with a promise to America. It was their pledge to repudiate the DSA to say that we believe in capitalism, we believe in secure boards. He chose not to sign that pledge. You know, so you made it very clear. In fact, one of his opponents in the primary who the D-Triple C endorsed Marlene Woods, she signed the pledge. You know, so it's very clear if he's honest, where he stands and what he believes.

He's donated to these groups indivisible in our revolution, these NGOs, that you go on their websites, it's all DSA principles. It's abolish prisons, abolish borders, get rid of the police, abolish ice, seize the means of production. These are all Marxist beliefs and will fundamentally change the very nature of our country. They want to abolish the Senate. They want a unicameral body, one body that chooses the president. You know, my sixth great grandfather was Roger Sherman.

Roger Sherman is one of our founding fathers. He's the one who came up with bicameral legislation. No kidding. He's the only member who signed all four of the founding documents. You know, so it's personal to me. And, you know, I think we just need to be able to say this is exactly what they believe. Here's the choice that we have in this election. And, you know, he wants Medicare for all, socialized medicine.

When you look at the cost of that, and I think this is one of the reasons why a lot of Democrats aren't doing debates around the country. And governor races here, obviously, in House seats. He skipped a debate on PBS and two forums with the ARP. When you promise these things, you don't want to have to get challenged on how to pay for it. for it, how you're going to do it. Socialized medicine, Medicare for all, the cost is somewhere between $30 and $50 trillion over a 10-year period. You know, we're $40 trillion in debt, and they want to add $30 to $50 trillion, and they can't tell you how they're going to pay for it. And I'll just say, you know, when we were talking in the last segment about Christians and Christians

getting involved, when you look at the end result of socialized medicine, when you look in Canada, you begin to get to a situation where you put value on life. And in Canada, the fourth leading cause of death right now is assisted suicide. They're made program. You know, and you see lots of videos of people that are in their 40s who, you know, are presented with this option of assisted suicide in Canada because they're stage four cancer. They leave Canada. They come to the U.S. and they get the treatment that they actually need and hopefully can save their lives. And the fact that you get to a point where you're like, well, I don't think your life is worth saving. So here's an option to kill yourself. And then I saw a story in the Netherlands where they just had a two-year-old that they

did assisted suicide on. You know, it's insane. Where this goes, the road that it takes us down. It's why it's so important for Christians to get engaged in politics. Right now, on average, 40 million Christians don't vote. I just looked that up. It's unbelievable. Every presidential election since Reagan has been decided by less than 10 million votes. And we have 40 million Christians that sit on the sidelines. I saw some pastors who came out and talked about it. And, you know, the reality is, I'd love to go and talk to all the churches in the district. You know, even on a Saturday and sit down and say, hey, here's who I am. This is what I believe.

Here's where my faith is. And ask any question that you want. But so often those doors aren't open. So many pastors are scared of allowing you to come in and allowing that even the opportunity to talk to the people at their church. I totally agree. It was one of Charlie's biggest pet peeves. It's why we launched TPSA Faith. If you seed the public arena, it will, you know, nature abhors a vacuum.

And guess who's going to fill that vacuum? People who don't like our values that don't like this country, candidly. Yeah, I mean, here it is. Among self-identified Christians, I just look this up when we're talking, born-again Christians, they project about 41 million do not vote. 41 million. And if you go to self-identific Christians who regularly attend church, about 32 million, do not vote. It's crazy.

We talk about this. Regular church attendance. We always get these emails where people say, like, you know, how can I help? And one of the things Charlie emphasized, and we try to repeat is just, if you go to church, talk to the people that you know. people or if you're in a if you're in a shooting club if you're a hunter talk to these people like people you assume are voting actually ask because you will be stunned over and over they think ah now i forget i don't get around to it not really my thing and they're people who because of their priorities

their values what they care about they should be on our side they should be engaged totally liberal churches are one of the most active people yeah liberal churches will push their idea look at james Talrico and the heretic that he is and what they push in that church, how they pervert the word of God for their political means, you know, and that's why we need to be transparent and we had a clip in the cold open of Talrico saying all religions are the same road to the same truth. And it's like, dude, you're not a Christian. Jesus said, I am the way of the truth in life. No one comes to the father but through me. By the way, you know, this mission is this broader mission of saving the West is, you know,

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problems, as we have often pointed out. And Nathan Koffinus, you might remember we had him on the show once because of the Ardei affair at Cambridge where he did a substack and it blew up and it ended up, you know, ending in his ouster, Ardei, Professor Ardei. Well, yes. So, I mean, just to remind people, Arde was the star, one of the youngest, youngest black professor in Cambridge history. And Nathan wrote a blog post that just pointed out he is a plagiarist.

He is basically a fraudster and it caused a whole cascade. Apparently his whole life was a lie. And then unfortunately, Mr. Ardei took his own life. Took his own life. And then this turned around into they decided to drop the investigation of how this happened. They basically just turned it into, well, I think we should welcome Nathan and describe it. So Nathan, welcome back to the show. So, first of all, let's just remind people what happened after this.

They decided to turn you into this scapegoat villain as if you did anything wrong by exposing someone who was fraudulently allowed into the university by the senior people in British academia. Well, I mean, not to be defensive about it, but all I did was publish one article that just said true, it was just full of true statements that Ardei was a plagiarist and a fraud and made up his life story. I wrote one article, and that was it. In a 22-day period, the British press published 249 articles about Jason Ardey, making it a national sport to make fun of him for every lie he ever told since he was a kid. And then Cambridge University, after setting Ardei up for this humiliation, place him on finally they place him under investigation basically force him to resign he goes home and then you know kills himself so if one were to assign moral blame for what happened you know i would argue that i was not i am not the right person to put the figure at but you see that it was in many

people's interest to scapegoat me. In the press, the university, everybody's letting me take the fall for the bad outcome for this situation. So there was a lot of hate directed at me, and in response to that, Ghent University, which had always had it out for me for months, suspended me. And then after mediation by the U.S. and Ambassador Bill White, the suspension was lifted, but then they banned me from campus and from teaching for 90 days. And in the whole confusion, the Belgian, a government-funded anti-racist organization in Belgium has filed a criminal complaint against me for racism. So now they're trying to put me in jail. Yeah.

So that's why we invited you on here. So this group, it's a little opaque to us in America's UNIA, Unia, however they want to say it. And so this is a private actor, but you say it is beginning a process to potentially imprison you for bad thoughts. And I know it you state it's allegedly over a talk that you gave last spring. But we have to presume the main reason this is happening is likely the R-Day affair. It made you an acceptable target once again. That's right.

So I gave a talk to the Catholic Flemish Student Association in April. Afterwards, an Antifa guy wearing a kaffia hurled a bottle at my face and gave me a concussion. And I reported that to the police. And everything was on CCTV and he was identified. And the prosecutor declined to do anything about it. So that's not a crime in Belgium. But the talk, where I just described the history of wokeism, the history of this idea that all groups of people are innately exactly the same, that is the crime that they're taking very seriously. This UNIA organization that you mentioned, they are theoretically independent, but they're funded almost entirely by the government.

So the government funds them to search for racists. and when they find a racist, they report it to the prosecutor's office. So that's the stage that we're at. What the prosecutor decides to do with this, we'll see. But from an American perspective, it sounds like totally implausible that anything could come of this. But in Europe, people do go to jail for saying politically incorrect things. Are you allowed to leave Belgium right now? Is that where you're at currently?

I mean, yes. If they would put a hold on my passport, which is not impossible, that would happen at a later stage. My goodness. So let's just lay this out. You called out Jason Ardei for being the plagiarist he was. Nobody is debating that. Nobody has ever debunking your substack. Nobody's saying that he actually wasn't a plagiarist. Everybody's acknowledging that he was. You actually brought it to light. You didn't. didn't write follow-up articles, you didn't attack him further, maybe a tweet here or there, whatever. But the British press went crazy on this story. I mean, that's over the pond. We were hearing about it over here like crazy. It was also a huge story here. He then takes his own life. There's marches in the cities in London. People are holding up a picture of you, your name, painting you as the villain for pointing out that this guy was doing bad things. and now Belgium is coming after you and potentially going to throw you in jail,

citing as a, I would say, convenient scapegoat some speech that you gave about woke culture and the history of woke, which I'm going to watch, by the way. You know, it's like, I looked it up. This channel has a thousand subscribers. I mean, this is obviously just a convenient excuse to demonize. you, villainize you and imprison you because of the Jason Arde saga. This whole

thing is bonkers to me. And I hope our State Department is communicating with Belgium saying, you're not going to do this. You're not going to do this to our American citizen. Have you heard, is there any update on that front? You know, I

just I got in trouble. The university was persecuting me for my free speech, which is obviously against American values and ambassador Bill White comes in like a superhero and set things straight. But, you know, I can't rely on the idea that somebody is going to come rescue me. But, you know, I would, I hope that there would, the Trump administration would continue to take an interest in,

these kinds of matters. They should and they must. And we'll try and do our part here because this is just, this is absolutely not acceptable anywhere in the Western civilization. You were getting punished for bad, like wrong thing, essentially,

which we thought was just, you know, a story. It was just, you know, these are just 1984. It's crazy the direction that Europe has gone in. Well, we're actually going in a good direction on speech, I think. Yeah, we are. but this can't this can't happen you said something in our first segment nathan that i want to revisit

you said in the american context it seems obscene absurd bizarre implausible that anybody would be thrown in jail for a speech they gave right about wokeness in the history of wokenness but in the belgian context that is actually quite plausible and it happens all the time so for our audience that is not familiar doesn't i know what it feels like a on the streets and in daily life in Europe. What is the state of free speech in the country you're currently residing in? If you have a conversation with the European about free speech, they'll say, of course, we have free speech.

You're free to say what the government says you're allowed to say. And you say, no, that's not what I mean. Free speech means you can say what you want to say, what your own thoughts. And even if somebody disagrees it. even if the government doesn't agree with it. They don't know what you're talking about. You cannot communicate a concept that they don't have the concept. They don't understand if you try to explain,

well, you could say this very politically incorrect thing in America, even something that's wrong and evil and bad. You're still allowed to say it, you know? They say, well, why would you be allowed to say that? There should be a law against that. How could you have a society if people can just say what they think? So we have a very long way to go. I don't even know how to start having a discussion with them about free speech.

That's where we're at right now. So we have this clip from Emmanuel Macron that I think encapsulates kind of what you're saying. Pretty about free speech. It's him complaining about it, actually. SOTSIX. Because, I mean, free speech is a pure bullion. If nobody knows how you are guided through this so-called free speech, especially when it's to be guided from one hated speech or another hated speech.

I just want to have a transparent road through these different speeches, and I want, by the way, to have a sort of public order. I want to avoid racist speech, hated speech, and so. This is my... And the third one... Okay, so that's him saying free speech is BS. We had to bleep it out. He apparently knows how to...

a swear in English. He just throws out everything about it. Yeah, I'm just, it's just, I don't want racist speech. We don't want racist speech. We want, we want public order. It's very funny. I was also, myself, I was looking up Germany's basic law. It's like their constitution. And it says, everyone has freedom of speech and there shall be no censorship. This shall be subject to rules to protect personal honor and young people and public. So is it really just like that? They can't even, the concept really just doesn't make sense to them, the idea of, I don't know if it's just that everybody who desired freedom went to the United States through hundreds of years of immigration. Or just it's that or culturally they just somehow never got it.

But Europeans don't have the same desire for freedom that Americans have. It's a very profound cultural difference. I don't know exactly where it comes from. Do you feel like within that context, is the situation getting, I mean, obviously your own case, I think, suggests the answer, but is the situation getting noticeably worse in the last few years? I've sort of detected this from across the pond the way in German politics. They're talking much more openly, should we ban the AFD party for being criminal?

That they're in France. They initiate a lot of legal proceedings against Le Pen and other politicians for Legitate speech. In Britain, we hear a lot by the rest. Is it getting just noticeably worse across the board? And is it laws that are getting worse or just bureaucrats are getting more aggressive? The public sentiment. Yeah, public sentiment, too. They've always been like that.

They've never had free speech. they just swing between left and right-wing fascism. It's gotten worse in the sense that they have more to cover up, and they have more that needs to be protected from the critical examination that would result if we had free speech. So with obviously mass immigration, many people and the issues, that's a huge issue in Europe. and if people have freedom of speech,

then they would say things that make people upset about that. So there's a guy in Belgium, Vries. I haven't learned any Dutch, but at Dries. He cited statistics regarding immigration and crime, and he was reported, like I was reported, he was reported for racism. And he was ultimately, the judge said that, yes, the statistics you cited were correct, but you're guilty of racism.

And he got a jail sentence. And the judge said, we're not, you're not being convicted of spreading misinformation. You're being convicted of hate speech. because he presented the information in a way that the judge decided was motivated by hate. So even though there was no dispute about the fact, it was because he was hateful by saying the fact. So that's why they can't have free speech or people would say the hateful fact and then maybe the return against immigration. and other adopt just policies. Mass migration is created a far larger victim class across the West,

and we have civil rights laws and hate speech laws. And so the body of potential victims is just expanding, expanding, expanding. And when you, so essentially we've created a protection system, a racket to protect the mass migration that the left so desperately wants. I mean, in France, we have parties that are openly calling for the creole. of France. They want the demographic replacement. And anybody that stands in the way of that, well, now, yeah, they could say the truth.

And they're like, oh, you said the true thing, but for the wrong reason. People probably think I'm exaggerating that I'm not, that that isn't exactly what happened. That is exactly what happened. The judge's sending you to jail. It's not, you're not being prosecuted for misinformation. You're being prosecuted for hate.

So it was just simply quoting facts, citing facts. citing facts is a crime. I think one of those memos they made once was cited malinformation, which is the use of likely true information, but in evil ways. And that's one of the things they go against. Nathan, Nathan, please keep us posted as this goes.

What's happening, this persecution and prosecution is unacceptable, especially for an American citizen abroad. And we'll do our part to make sure that this stays front of mind for the State Department because you need to be protected against this persecution. It's vile. Check out a substack. Nathan Koffenus newsletter substack. Be sure to check that out. And thank you for coming on, Nathan. Thank you. By the end of the year, more than 60,000 babies will have been saved by preborn centers. Just this year, 60,000 babies. And for every baby who's saved,

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and you'll get news from a perspective that actually makes sense. But also, Rahim understands the European mindset. He understands the British mindset. And he spent a lot of time in Paris and all this. So we wanted to have him on about this. Hey, Rahim, how you doing, my friend? Good to see you. I'm welcome to you live from London today.

Thank you for having me. Oh, well, there you go. Somebody's got to do it. So Rahim, France is burning again. And we are going to get into England because there's a crazy story about a migrant boat that we got a hit. And just the liberal brain, the progressive brain, it's like they see a problem and they're like, how can we exasperate it? How can we make it worse instead of fixing it? Anyways, France is burning.

And I don't think our audience is fully aware of the context. The protest, I read it from the National Polls, your article, you got a great background on it. The protests ostensibly began as a response. to teacher shortages, large classroom sizes, poorly maintained school infrastructure, and inadequate ventilation during recent heat waves. Inadequate ventilation. And so that's why they're setting schools on fire, and we also spotted some Palestinian flags. Yes. Tell us, Rahim, what is going on in France, and how widespread is this? Yeah, hence the use of the word ostensibly, because these were the

reasons that have been given by French authorities for riots that have been. now been taking place for about a week, predominantly, predominantly now with what they call migrant background individuals. It's just a sort of euphemistic way to say migrants, maybe illegal migrants, almost always in such cases, people who have entered into the country unlawfully, even though they may currently have legal status thanks to French government policies. And, you know, you said we get to England. I'm afraid those people will get to England as well. And that is why the big sort of protests are kicking off here on our South Coast.

Because they're looking at places like Paris, because they're looking at northern France, because they're looking at other parts of the continent, whereby these people who remember were not, did not come to Europe, did not get there of their own. own volition, but were brought to Europe by the likes of Angela Merkel in 2015, when she said, everybody, come one, come all, we can do this. You're all doctors and nurses and engineers and scientists and nuclear physicists from Angola. And we'd love to have you. And they were also

brought by these aid organizations. And these aid organizations coming under intense scrutiny now, especially in England because fundamentally what do we have here we have a modern day slave trade you know these people are coming over and effectively entering into indentured servitude to the people who they paid to bring them over these are criminal gangs they are mass human trafficking organizations and i you know sitting here in the country of william wilberforce can't help but think that he may be rolling in his grave just about a half mile down the road from where I sit in Westminster Abbey, to think that the governments of these countries are not just bystanders, not just feckless, not just illegitimate entities. I mean, we don't even have an elected prime minister in this country, but a complicit,

actually, and that Andy Burnham in the United Kingdom and that Manuel Macron are actually traffickers themselves. I think that's honestly I know that's not the way the media paints it but you're 100% right we have been subjected to this mass migration that nobody voted for nobody wanted nobody set out and said hey I want to see the demographic replacement of all of Europe and all of America and I want to see it done in 20 30 years this is but this has been absolutely the project of the bureaucrat class and Europe has got it worse than some and most because it happens to be right next door to Muslim countries in the Middle East. That's where the refugees come from. I have,

I thank the Lord. Listen, I can't stand illegal immigration, but I thank the Lord that at least to our south, we have Catholics. Yeah, the Muslim situation. I want to show a picture, though. This, throw this picture. I zoomed in on this picture of this police, or I guess, there's a fireman, a firefighter in France that was caught on fire. There was some, some rubbish, as you would say. Yeah, burning trash, set off an aerosol cam, blew up in his face. Yeah. And so these, but look at the faces of these kids is like when you when the average american thinks of french school-aged kids that are old enough to be writing out is this the picture i mean look at this these are all minorities all of them i mean maybe there's a few non-myotories this is this is the future of

france uh i mean we saw this maybe a little bit in the the world cup but this is i mean it's so much more drastic than i think people over 50 probably assume but the demographic replacement Rahim is dramatic and you're in london and you could probably feel it there i mean it's dramatic from from 2000 to 2006 it's just transformed the entirety of that city yeah look i mean i i wrote a book about this in in 2015 and 16 called no go zones where i went around to you know increasingly muslim and arab dominated neighborhoods not just across europe but but but in the united states as well you know i remember writing about Dearborn and writing about Hamtramack and warning people, you know, the subtitle of the book was how Sharia is coming to a neighborhood near you. And, and, you know, of course, I was called an alarmist and a

racist and you name it. But actually, actually, if you go back and look at the prognostications that I made in that book, I kind of regret not going further. I don't think I actually went far enough. And remember at the time how hard it was to talk about those issues and how hard it was. course to get, you know, people actually discussing them around the dinner table and discussing them on news TV and all of this stuff. And of course, look at today. Look at today in Michigan. I said at the time, Michigan is trending in a direction where you're going to have these issues, not just written to certain neighborhoods like Dearborn and Abtramic, but actually writ statewide. Oh, Rahim, you're crazy. You're a crazy person. We can't have you talking about such things on television shows,

and so we'll never invite you back again. And that, by the way, applies to some of the largest, I won't get into naming names here, largest supposedly center-right broadcasters in the United States. Just disappeared from their airwaves overnight after writing that book. So, yes, you can see it here in London. Yes, you can absolutely feel it in France. And when you look at the riots and process and things like that that are going on,

one other thing has to be mentioned. They're not stopping them. they're barely trying to stop them these guys are now teamed up with Melanchon who is the far left leader the communist leader in France and they are being egged on by the very types of people that the French left seek to become

their next presidents and prime ministers this Islamification has undergone an intense institutionalization in the last 18 months and you're seeing it in the us too. That's that's such terrifying is because you know I am a I'm a urofile I'm an anglophile I this is what bred it's what gave birth to the American experiment and this beautiful land that we love and the the is so to see Europe come to such straits self-imposed

by a demographic replacement that they are now feckless and unable to stop because it has been institutionalized is very, very troubling. And I, yeah. Well, yeah, ask your thing. No, I have a clip I want to play because it does relate to domestic politics. And we have a midterm coming up. I understand prices of gas are high. There's frustration in the base.

But look at what we have accomplished. And the contrast with Europe and what they're going through is so stark, Sot 10. The Donald Trump administration is arguably the most influential this century and probably as well, dating back a good portion of the last century as well. Trump ran and has always run on a very hawkish immigration platform. Get this. 2025 net migration in the United States down at least 60% from last year. In fact, we may be heading for the first time in at least 50 years in which we have net negative,

net negative migration into the United States. And last year, of course, in 2024, the net migration in the U.S. was 2.8 million. This year we might be talking about negative net migration. Just my goodness gracious. How significant is that, Rahim, you're a student of history, in living memory, basically. He said 50 years, I think in living memory, we haven't seen this. How significant is this one issue to the future of Western civilization? Well, massive because not least because of the impact that it's also now having around the world.

So to European nations, and you're seeing it in Germany with the alternative of Deutschland, you're seeing with the rise of Marine Le Pen, you're seeing it here in the United Kingdom now too, is all of these guys have gone from, well, you know, we can cut immigration to actually, no, we've got to follow those guys, we've got to follow our American friends, we've got to have negative net migration. The only problem is that we worry at the moment because we don't just have an immigration crisis. We have an emigration crisis. You know, the young white people are leaving this country, wealthy people are leaving this country,

the job creators are leaving this country. So it's not even just enough now to talk about net negative migration. You also have to get into who that means is leaving, because otherwise you're going to just end up chasing way people you want here and calling it net negative migration. Well, yeah, I mean, I actually hadn't thought about that, but that does make a lot of sense. I mean, I don't know where they're going to go because America is embracing DSA right now. So, I mean, if you're betting on the futures here, we're going to have potentially a lot more DSA candidates win, enter office, and keep promoting the same malaise that is so burdened parts

of Europe, including England, Rahim. So I think this is endemic across. Maybe you can go to South America. Maybe that's where you go. South America, they seem to be going right right now. So I don't know what the, I don't know what the answer is. Rahim, you are so important to the conservative movement in the UK. I really think people do not appreciate how instrumental you have been both with Blexit, the rise of Nigel Farage. Brexit, actual Brexit. Yep, what I said. He said, Brexit.

Oh, that's funny. Oh, well. Now known as rise, by the way. We now knows it's rise. But Brexit. So, and you have been there from such an early state, and people don't understand, you know it intimately well. And you know how important the immigration topic is, the migration topic is to Nigel Farage

and reform. So, but this is crazy. And I'm going to read a tweet from Patrick Christus. He says, we are through the looking glass now. Police have put an entire British town under something called Section 34 dispersal order, meaning they can even order residents to leave and not return just so they can import a boat full of illegal migrants. This is like bananas. So this boat arrives on the shore.

What is Section 34? I mean, this just seems bizarre to an American context. like somebody comes in and tells me I have to leave my house because migrants have to come in. Like what is actually going on? Separate fact from fiction here, Rahim. Well, I'm afraid the fact sounds like fiction, right? I mean, the anarcho tyranny, the reality of what's going on in small English towns, not just on the coast, by the way. It's like you had, you know, under Joe Biden, every town's aboard a town.

now because these people, these migrants who come in on these, you know, what are deemed small boats, we'll get into that in a second, the nomenclature that's used. They're actually dispersed all around the country. But this is a particular example on the southern coast of England that's taken place overnight last night. And I don't want people to think that these are just, you know, one-offs, that this happens maybe once every two or three months or anything like that. No, no, no. This sort of thing is happening every day or at least every other day. The scale of it may differ. But you're talking about several hundred migrants that, again, to recap what we were talking about in the last block, are pushed into Europe, are pushed into France, make their way through France, get to northern France, get to places like Calais, paying human traffickers all along the way.

You know, the Home Secretary who's in charge of immigration, the minister who's in charge of immigration in the United Kingdom today said that no woman on that entire route, no migrant woman on that entire route has not been raped, by the way. So this is the sorts of things that they're aware of. And then they take these little dinghies, right? Well, they used to be little dinghies. Now they've gotten quite big. About two weeks ago, you had several hundred people on one of these. I mean, it's literally a scene out of Camp of the Saints, which a lot of the audience will hopefully be aware of the 19, 19, on a spy book. Now, what will happen is these people will get, you know, within a couple of dozen miles of the British coastline, and then the British Coast Guard

or the lifeguard will go out and rescue that boat using British taxpayer resource. bring those people into port and process them taking, you know, asylum claims, you know, all of this sort of thing. In this town gospel, I mean, there have been protests all across the summer about this stuff. But in this one particular town, I mean, people are so reasonably irate that they've been taking into the streets. They've been protesting. They've been using their what should be a right to free speech and free assembly. and the police in response have issued this Section 34 order

it's a dispersal order it's meant for situations where in criminal gangs are trying to take over cities and there has to be an element of what you would call martial law but in this instance it's being used to suppress ordinary people in the town

from even leaving their homes so that they may not join protests so that they may not demonstrate I mean, a lot of these people have taken it upon themselves to sort of lay nails across roadways so that these migrants cannot go any further than the port. You know, because otherwise they're bused to all different parts of the country. They're bused to nice swanky hotels all around the country. They're put up at enormous taxpayer expense, by the way. I'm talking billions and billions across the years that this has been going on.

And, you know, now we're seeing, again, to stress this point, this kind of a narco-terrorism. that's going on in the United Kingdom, that the penalties are aimed at the ordinary law-abiding citizens for simply speaking their minds, rather than the criminal illegal aliens who are breaking into the country and causing havoc. Yeah, Rahim, it's just, I feel, I talk to my friends, I have some friends in Britain, and it feels like every day there's headlines that are bafflingly insane. I just saw this one, a man who tried to break into the Israeli embassy in London to carry out a knife attack has been jailed for life. Abdul al-Badri arrived in the UK on a small boat 16 days before making this knife attack, but waved him in, gets a knife, does this attack. That we have, yeah,

these boats are arriving. They're shutting down entire towns. Right now, one of your government secretaries, she's changing the law. So apparently NGOs have an easier time sponsoring refugee resettlement. But experts say the numbers are too small to deter. channel crossings because the only way you can deter a channel crossing is of course to just wave more people in by other means you couldn't just stop them yet it feels like we're reaching some sort of breaking point Rahim and and do you think we'll reach the breaking point of Britain first or the breaking point of this politically can can we actually get remigration as a policy that the people who we've waived in these past five years need to

go back yeah well that that is obviously going to happen under a reform government And that is the most likely party that can beat the Labor Party at the next election. That's what all the data will show. The Labor Party being the governing left wing party that's doing all of this. But it started with the Conservative Party, which is why reform even exists. That is a commitment. They have a commitment to deploy the Navy into the channel to stop these boats coming over in the first instance. And also the mass deportation of anybody that has arrived,

unlawfully, illegally, or that have sham, asylum claims, sham welfare claims, you know, all of these people. If you can't speak the language, you're out. It's done. It's over. Now, the British public have to want to vote that into place, and we don't have in a general election necessarily until 2009, but it could come earlier, could come until, you know, in 20209. But let me tell you something. Having been here two weeks, spending a lot of time with Nigel Farage and the reform team, there is no doubt in my mind it's about to get very aggressive Rahim Qasam, editor-chief of the

National Pulse, check out that website, subscribe, support this important journalism, but he does great domestic stuff. I mean, I check it all the time for news here in America, but also abroad. He's got a unique perspective there. Rahim Qasam, God bless you, man. Stay safe over there and get Nigel over the finish line.

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