The Charlie Kirk Show - From the Archive: Charlie and Allie Beth Stuckey at Freedom Night, June 2024

Episode Date: August 8, 2026

Allie Beth Stuckey is one of the most effective voices in the public square touting genuine Christian orthodoxy, so Charlie was eager to team up with her. In their joint appearance at Freedom Night in America two years ago, the two take audience questions on parenting, college, standing true to their beliefs, and of course, caffeine. They discuss the many ways that modern comforts can become idols as dangerous as any old pagan god, and explain why the true sources of wealth aren't measured in dollars. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com!    Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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All right. We'll start right here. How are we doing, my man? Hey, I'm good. So I was just wondering if you were going to be at the Trump thing tomorrow. I mean, I know it's not related, but I just really like to. I'll see if I can fit into my schedule. Yes, I will be here bright and early and, yeah, just trying to make sure that we have organized chaos. So yes. Follow up to that, are you going to be talking to him?

I will be, yeah. What would you, if you could, what message should I bring to Mr. Trump? Say hi to me in the crowd. All right. You got it. I love it. I will say for him, I will say to him now. Please keep fighting. Please keep fighting. Please keep fighting. We have your back. I'm going to tell him that.

And I'm very biased. Allie knows this. I've known the family for a while. I know him very well. I think with the conviction, all of a sudden, people that might not have been political, they realize that this is such a violation of the normal American rules and customs of how we operate as a society. society, you do not get to use the legal system to make it harder for an opposition political candidate to challenge power. That is cheating. You are not allowed to do that. And the entire election can be summarized in that. Immigration is important, economy is important, but just as a statement of principle, we will not put up with America becoming the third world, period. We will not allow that to happen. Okay. Yes, sir. Hi, this question is for Allie. My name is Jeff. And I'm not your normal demographic, but I'm a card carrying, relay to bros. Nice. Thank you. Love your podcast. So how

do I ask this? I have a just-turned 14-year-old daughter, loves Jesus, straight A student, great girl, but is struggling with what you talked about to let go of trying to center things around what she wants. and all too often at home and ends in frustration and emotions all over the place and we pray for her and we talk to her. She even knows the verse if you seek to find yourself, you'll lose it, but if you seek to lose yourself, you'll find it and so forth. And she's still struggling mightily with that. What suggestions do you have to encourage and help her with that? Yeah, you know, I only have experience as having been that teenage girl, not parenting that teenage girl. So I can't come from that perspective.

It does sound, yes, of course, it's sinful for anyone to center ourselves, but it sounds like a lot of normal teenage girl stuff. And as long as it truly is a struggle, and this is true for all of us. And what I mean by that, when a lot of people say, oh, I'm struggling with this sin, are you struggling with that sin? Are you struggling with that sin? Are you just sinning and feeling bad about it? That's not a struggle. And so if she is actively trying through the grace of God to resist that selfishness, maybe even not in a legalistic way, but give herself goals of selflessness and charity and generosity

and putting other people before herself every day, she is reading her Bible, she's surrounding herself with other godly girls, and she is praying. I mean, that's the struggle of sin against sin that all of us are in right now. It just manifests itself in pretty wild ways when you're an emotional teenage girl. But you know what, Dad, you are doing a really good job. If you think wireless companies are all the same, you might need to take a look at our friends over at Patriot Mobile. Patriot Mobile isn't just different because of its mission. It's actually built to outperform the other carriers.

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All right. So Charlie, I know you're a little iffy on the. college, maybe being a scam or not, but I want to know, so next year I'm attending Baylor University, a private Christian conservative school. So I want to know, like, what's the best advice you give me to not only succeed academically, but also with my faith. Sure. So why are you going to college? I think I'm very well with school, and my parents have taught me that, and I think it's the best idea for me. I play sports in high school, but I just knew basketball, like, wasn't my moneymaker, so I think school is. And I just think it's going to be a great

No, no, cool, but why are you going to college? I think just for my job path and to be in finance, I think it's a good. Yeah, that's good. So you're starting finance or business. So, yeah, you don't need to go to college for that. But that's good. I'm glad. I hope it works out.

So Baylor's super woke, just so we're clear. It's not conservative, it's not Christian, like at all. And they're increasingly LGBT, increasingly left wing. I'm giving you a hard time because you're a guy. You could handle it if, you know. But to be honest, like, College is a total waste of time for most people. You might meet a couple cool people.

Maybe you'll meet your wife. It's a total scam. I hope you're not borrowing too much money. No, okay, good. But yeah, look, I think that, and I can say this from authority. I visited more college campuses in the last decade than any other person. We run a national college organization. They make you take classes that have no application to your major.

I'll tell you just one quick example. We have an intern that goes to Ohio State University. He has to now graduate another six months later than his original four years because they added all these new diversity classes. So he has to now go pay to go to class another six months for another $25,000 because of diversity equity inclusion, CRT. I cannot put into words how unnecessary colleges for our best and brightest. Now, some can succeed, and again, I'm not trying to make you feel bad or like whatever,

but look, make the most of it. And if you feel like it's a waste of the time, just drop out. I mean, I know that sounds like, I know your mom's going to like throw something at me or whatever. But this is important, which is, and I will challenge every parent out there that might not like what I'm saying, which is if you had to choose, this is actually a really good question for parents to ask your kid going to college. Ask your kid going to college. When I raised you, do you think I would prefer that you get a college degree or be a good person? And have your son or daughter answer that back to you. It would be a very interesting thing.

and vast majority of kids will say oh my parents would much rather have me get a college degree it is college degrees are way more valuable in high society than being a person of good character or you know again one of the reasons i hate college is that it is a petri dish for the worst behavior the worst actions and the worst worldview you become a worst person at most colleges and again it doesn't mean that you have to but you're constantly surrounded by hookup culture premarital sex, getting blackout drunk, drug usage, bad worldviews, deconstructionism. So what can you do? Join the Turning Point USA chapter is number one, right? Because we are a hedge against those things.

And yeah, look, I know you might think that I'm being unfair to the college thing, but I think I have been rather vindicated this last year when we saw this Hamas garbage happening on campuses across the country. I'm just saying, and I, and I, I, I, I, I, say this with no exaggeration. That is just a taste. Now, if you are going to go, here's the cool thing. You can decide to become a better person, but it's going to take a lot of work, a lot of self-control the Holy Spirit being like, I'm not going to drink for four years. Like, I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to have any alcohol. That would actually make our college experience awesome. I'm going to go spend extra time with professors. I'm going to leverage this to meet the best alumni

of Baylor and to become, by the way, the number one thing that college gets you is not knowledge. They don't teach you anything. It's connected. or people, which again, you don't need college for that, but like it is learning from the alumni and getting a piece of papers that people take you seriously. So anyway, that's my piece of advice. And then just being like, you know, meeting some rich people from Dallas and maybe their dads can hire you once you graduate. Sorry if that was too blunt. This kind of how I am. Hi, Charlie. My name's Kevin. And by the way, happy birthday. And I've been here. The true birthday. You're right. I was like, wait. Oh, yeah. It's turning birthday. For the last three years,

I've missed about four of these nights, so I just want to say congratulations on your birthday. Allie, thank you very much for being here tonight. We've really appreciated your views. I have a personal friend. Oh, and by the way, I have a comment after the question. I have a personal friend who is raising a gay daughter. What would be the best advice you could give to me to bring it up in conversation to help him guide her in a different path, perhaps? Yeah, that can be a really difficult thing to navigate, especially as a friend.

There is this really good book. It's called Tactics by Greg Kokel. And something I love about this book is that he says, in every conversation that we have, we're getting the person closer to truth and closer to Christ. It's not that in every conversation we're trying to win the argument or that we're taking the ball into the end zone. I think that's the correct terminology. in every conversation.

You are inching them closer to the truth. And that means that you can start by asking him questions that make him think about it in a way that maybe he's never thought about it before. So have you talked to your daughter about this? What about this? What do you think about when the Bible says this? If you ask him questions based on scripture and what God's word says about sexuality

and the importance of raising our children in the Lord and admonishing them and what is right, what God says about sexuality, make him think about it a little bit more. See if he'll read a book that you suggest to him about someone. There's lots who used to live a gay lifestyle and then came to Christ and completely repented of that. There are a lot of ways that you can help push your friend towards Christ without alienating them right away because they might be offended.

That's always a possibility. But cultivating and planting. those seeds and making him think, you never know how God is going to water and give growth to your efforts in pushing him towards what's true. Yeah, really quick, yeah. Briefly, Charlie, conveyed a 45 tomorrow that we've got is back. I will say that. Thank you. And you guys showing up tomorrow, we'll remind him of that. Because this is his first public event tomorrow post-show trial conviction. If you could go back in time, and buy oil before the world relied on it, would you? Of course you would. Anybody would. So why aren't you

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And also, my second question would be, I know that, like, one of the big things he mentions over and over is idol worship and idol and idol and idol and idol. idol. Do you feel like caffeine and social media are kind of like underlooked in the church community and like kind of no one really like says anything about it or mentions it. They might like mention it a little bit but it's not very like it's not spoken of as like an idol. It's such an interesting question. I'll let you do the marketplace. I was going to say I'll let you do that. Well, well for no I want to talk about caffeine being an idol. Because if that's an idol. I got a lot of repenting to do. I'll tell you what. Um, so yeah, look, I'll first say,

um, I don't know how caffeine could become an idol. Uh, I actually think caffeine is a different type of drug because it actually at its best is used to make you more productive, which is why I have a lot of it. Um, in fact, I've had, I'm actually on a 90 day caffeine fast because I had way too much caffeine for a long period of time. Um, you actually don't need caffeine as much as you think you do. But anyway, that's a separate issue. So I guess I'm going to be. I think that's how it can become an idol when you depend upon it for energy that you don't. Like I do that. I do that.

Like, oh, I can't read my Bible until I have my coffee. And then sometimes you don't get around to reading your Bible because you just wanted the coffee. So I think sometimes it could become an idol. I will say, though, that the idol that is not talked about is gluttony in the church. That is legit. And that is the indulgence culture of food. that is bad for you and lifestyles that defile the temple that God has given you, which is your body. That one I can agree with. As far as the marketplace, I mean, look, I will say that in certain

circumstances, if you run a church and you're trying to like personally profit from it, then yeah, of course, obviously. But no, I have no problem with somebody that makes their living off of like selling a book or whatever. As long as it's done tastefully and voluntarily, I find no problem with that whatsoever. Yeah, and it also, he said, like, you've turned my house into a den of robbers. And so there was a lot of exploitation going on there, and it wasn't just commerce. It wasn't just simple supply and demand. There was exploitation of the poor cheating that was going on there. The temple wasn't being used for the worship that it should have been used for. Like, I don't think it's wrong for a house of worship that is truly dedicated to worshiping the Lord, but, like, there's also a

bookstore there to sell books. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Thank you. Hi, my name is Elizabeth Patton. I'm taking over the Turning Point chapter at my school next year as a freshman. I'm extremely Christian and conservative and strong in my beliefs. However, I have a second cousin who's transgender. All my extended family supports them and I have had multiple arguments with family members about it. How do I go about being loving toward them but also standing firm in my beliefs. How old is that individual? I am not sure. Like under 18 or above 18? Above 18. Above 18. Okay. Allie, do you have a thought at first on that? I have several of it. Sure. I've had the privilege of interviewing a lot of detransitioners. And there's one, her name is Laura Perry, and I won't tell her

whole story. But she tried to live her life as a man for several years. There were lots of reasons why she thought that that would make her happy. She changed her body. She took hormones. She realized, okay, this is just not working. But she had, for a period of time, alienated herself from her Christian conservative parents who would never call her Jake and would never call her he, him. And for a while, she thought, well, they're just bigots.

Their church are bigots. And I don't want to be around them. While the Lord ended up softening her heart, she ended up transcribing some Bible verses for her mom's Bible study. And while she was doing that, the Lord used his word as he does to start to convict her and to change her heart. And then long story short, she became a Christian. She is an amazing testimony. She's married. Now, of course, she's living as what she always has been a woman. But what she says when she shares her testimony is that the first people that she went to after her conversion and after she realized she had to detransition were the people that always called her Laura.

were the people that never wavered. The people that never affirmed the deceit in her life. The people that affirmed her deceit are the people who helped her ruin, I don't want to say ruin her body, but irreversibly change her body. But it was her parents in that conservative evangelical church that never wavered that always said, you're a woman made in the image of God.

Those were the people she went to. So for now, you might be the first of, family member that everyone says, oh, she just doesn't get it. She is just ignorant. She's just backwards. She's a bigot. And that could be hurtful. I don't want to minimize that. But I promise you, you standing for truth is one, obedience to God. That's what matters. End of story. But two, God will use your obedience. I promise you. I don't know how and I don't know when in this person's life. It might be 50 years. He or she might look back and say, you are the only one that stood for me. So keep standing strong. First, love that you're running the turning the turning

the turning point chapter. That's amazing. Secondly, I will say this, that I do not believe that someone is actually transgender. I don't believe that's a thing. I know that is a provocative view, but it is rooted in the Bible. It's rooted in scripture and it's rooted in biology. What do I mean? I mean that the person might think they are something that they are not, but they do not become the other thing just because you think the thing. The ramifications of accepting transgenderism as normative identification is civilizational ending. It is you can choose your age, you could change your, choose your race, you can choose your income level, you could choose whatever you want based on mental status. So there has Dr. Miriam Grossman who was here, I encourage you to re-listen to that

podcast. It was amazing when she was here. She said it great, which is that there's almost never a of somebody that has transgenderism that does not have underlying undiagnosed bipolar schizophrenia, depression, generalized anxiety disorder, or other issues alongside of it. So transgenderism most times, 99.9% of the time is a symptom. So for example, if Allie all of a sudden says, I have a fever, that tells us nothing. She could have a bacterial infection. She could have COVID. Her appendix might burst. She, there's like 500 different reasons why human beings break into a fever. So transgenderism is a fever. It is a symptom. And so we are trying to treat a symptom without actually going to the root cause,

which unfortunately American medicine is all about symptom management and not trying to get to root causes far too often. That's a systemic problem across the board. So thank you so much. Hi folks. Andrew Colvitt here. I'd like to tell you about my friends over at Y-ReFi. You've probably been hearing me talk about Y-ReFi for some time now. We are all in with these guys. If you or someone you know is struggling with private student loan debt, take my advice and give them a call. Maybe you're behind on your payments. Maybe you're even in default. You don't have to live in this nightmare anymore. Why Refi will provide you a custom payment based on your ability to pay. They tailor each loan individually. They can save you thousands of dollars and you can get

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I got two daughters, both career women, and they have dogs. And as a father, I've tried to get into the conversation. I was wondering if on your relatable website, if you've got any material or maybe you can just roll play some reason for me to break into subject matter without getting them angry with me. You mean they have dogs that they use as replacement for children? Yes. Yes. So this is a very sensitive conversation because women, young people, do not realize

they are channeling their natural biological urge for children into plants and pets. They don't realize that. They think, oh, no, this is just an amazing dog. and I just love this dog so much, this is my baby. No, the reason why you're so attached to that dog is because you're supposed to be having a baby right now. Your biology is telling you that. Now, again, I'm not saying that every single woman in that situation has chosen that. I'm not saying that, but many have.

And that's why they get defensive because this has become their baby. It has. Neurologically, like, that's what's going on there. And so that is a difficult conversation. obviously you got to start with finding the right man and then marriage if you're talking about wanting them to have children i think that's i think that's what you're saying do you need to clarify am i wrong oh they are both married oh sorry i missed that i miss that portion okay that's a whole bigger issue and so then their husbands are not leading very well and as much as i know you as an awesome dad

want to step in and say uh don't you want to have kids at the end of the day their husbands need to be the ones to step up and to make that decision. Not that I'm not trying to just hawk my book, but this is something I talk about in my book. It's called You're Not Enough and that's okay, escaping the toxic culture of self-love. And I wrote it a few years ago, and we talk about that. Replacing babies with pets and plants, it's a huge problem. What venue are you on Rumble, YouTube? Yeah, you can listen to my, well, it's on YouTube, You can watch it on YouTube and you can listen to it wherever you listen to podcasts and you can get the book wherever you buy books. President Trump was gracious enough a couple years ago to come on the show.

And so that was fun. Maybe my most fun guest ever, if I do say so. You got to do it again. Thank you. I'm standing in for Native Americans all over the United States. And I do have a question. Well, two, but I'll just do one. So how can us children of God or people who go to Native Americans that go to church be influential and encouraging to other Native Americans on the reservation, especially the Navajo Nation because it's one of the biggest parts of Arizona.

and their votes are very important to whoever is going to be elected in the Arizona state. To become, it's very hard for Native American women. There's a stronghold on that of becoming submissive wives and being loving and, you know, gentle and caring mothers just because a generational of abuse and a lot of mothers there, they come from, for me, I'm the only one who's saved in my family. So I don't have a mother figure to look up to who can love their child the way God would want to. And Dream City has been a big influence on my life.

I'm thankful. And so how can we become more influential on the reservation as mothers and as leaders in political ways? Well, first, God bless you. It's so unbelievably important. I would love to visit Apache County. I learned that. Navajo Nations in Apache County, not in Navajo County. It's a interesting thing.

I'd love to have to visit and do some stuff. First of all, let's just make sure this is mentioned. Number one, community with a lot of addiction, right, and a lot of problems. And so only Jesus Christ can set the Native Americans free from that addiction and that cycle of addiction. And so you must be relentless in sharing that. Number two, there is. still a lot of paganistic folklore that exists in, you know, native backgrounds. And so Christianity is against a lot of that paganistic folklore, and which is why you say, you know,

the only one that's saved. But look, I see a huge movement in traditionally left-wing populations, Native American, Hispanic, black communities that are increasingly open to the conservative message. This is a difficult thing to communicate. But Native American reservations are by far some of the most messed up places in America. And it's largely because of government policies, of subsidizing the worst behavior, of massive amount of social welfare state. And if you want the real tragedy, it's we mistreated the native population legitimately 150 years ago.

Like there's no spin, like just the way it is. And now we've continued to mistreat them in the name of compassion the last 100 years. is that Native Americans deserve better than nonstop government programs and addiction and welfare. So I don't know how it is one of the hardest things is to convince people that are not free that they should pursue liberty. And I'm sure you live amongst that every single day. I visited a lot of reservations. They're very depressing. I'm just, I'm sorry.

They're wonderful people. but the amount of addiction, broken families is very hard to witness. So we'd love to work with you and keep on spreading the gospel and the good news. So God bless you. Thank you. More Americans are starting to ask an important question. Why is it so difficult to get access to medications you may already know you need? If your health is your responsibility, why are outside systems deciding what you can have and when you're allowed to get it?

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left and, you know, become an atheist, despite pushback from any, you know, future hypothetical friends or just pressure I might face graduating high of school in a couple years. I would say one of the most important things. So I did go to college. I'm not recommending going to college, but I did go to college. And Charlie is 100% right about college. By the way, I learned everything I need to know, like by 12th grade. It was just a few connections that I'm thankful for and then I ended up meeting my husband from that. So that was worth it. But the thing that kept me sane that kept me from becoming a communist in college was immediately surrounding myself with like-minded people, immediately joining a local church,

immediately joining a Bible study, immediately joining the campus ministry, immediately getting to know a variety of Christian families in the city who I started babysitting for. All of those people and the structure that they created around my life and holding me accountable and keeping me solid. Like there's so much power in looking around and realizing, oh, I'm not the only one. That's what I would say. You have to surround yourself with people that are godlier than you are, that are stronger than you are, that are more sure about their faith and their belief system than you are so that they can, sharpen you as iron sharpens iron. So it doesn't have to be 10 friends. It can just be one solid friend. But try as much as you can to avoid isolation and surround yourself by people who make you

better. Thank you. And join the local turning point chapter. Yes, ma'am. We'll do one more here, one more. So we'll do three more. Okay, yes. Hi, my name is Sydney. I'm getting a lot of college questions, but I plan I and attending Grand Kennedy University in the fall. I understand how it's a little bit of a touchy subject, especially in the conservative world. I was wondering if both of you would speak into this, because what I'm struggling with with college is that I'm told a lot by conservative media, by Christians that it's not necessary for you, your spiritual growth, your professional growth, but no one will hire me.

without a college degree. And I say this not try. Like I've tried. So I actually applied for a turning point internship. And I was told that I had to either be in my second year of college or an equivalent. And so it's hard to do anything. And I hope this is a common cross argument. Who told you that? I was told to check back again. And then the internship process told me I couldn't apply. Was that for hiring or internship? It was probably internship. It was an internship on your website. Yeah, just apply for a job. So. the founder didn't go to college. But yeah, so it's just been really hard for me because I've been told I'm not yet old enough

or I don't have the experience or people won't hire me without like the work ethic that they know I have if I have a degree. So it's, I'm going through this process and I'm not saying I'm not looking forward to it because I believe college has a lot of things to offer, especially because I'm going. My dad's a pastor in the area, so I already am very grounded in my faith. I'm very grounded. I have a great group of friends who are also Christian, so that's not what I'm going for. I'm just being told I can't progress in my life without a college degree by people who say that college is bad, so I don't really know where to go. Yeah, so I mean, look, someone's going to get handled. So, yeah, that's what I was doing. So, no, but so let me ask you a question. What's more important?

Happy, healthy family, or career for your life? Oh, family. All the way. So in college, just, you know, if you want to find a husband, that's a great place to do that, potentially. And honestly, it's probably worth it because a lot of people can't find husbands. So getting an MRS degree is totally legit. No, I'm totally like, no, I'm about diminishing that, by the way. If you say I'm going to college find a husband, like I totally respect that. Like, absolutely worth $150,000.

Like, absolutely. A lot more. No, think, right, Allie, like, that's not a joke. I mean, finding your life partner, like, of course you should go into debt for that. Absolutely. But, look, it's just a lie. I mean, I don't know how else to say it. It depends on what you want to do.

People will hire you. And again, I'm just, I'm so out on the college thing because it's such non-creative thinking. They don't teach you wisdom. They don't teach you actually worldliness. They kind of, they just treat you like a cog and a wheel. And again, so I, I, what do you want to do? I plan on going into the ministry, which people usually think is you don't need college for it, but honestly, no one will hire you. Yeah, that's just not true, but yeah, that's just not true.

I think it's changing. I think it's changing. But I feel you. That's, I mean, basically why I went to college, because everyone just went to college, and that's what she did. And that is how I got my job that I then was able to meet my husband from that. So I feel you, but I do think, I don't know how quickly it's going to change, but I do think employers. is at least in our sphere, Christian conservative sphere, are looking less and less at degrees.

And more, are you smart? Do you think critically? Are you trustworthy? Do you have a good attitude? Those are the four things that I look for when I'm looking for someone to hire. Thank you. See, she might hire you.

Thank you. A pastor angel told me to take the mic. We have a college here that's not a scam. It's connected to Southeast University. So if anybody has questions, they can find. me after. We teach our students not just biblical truths and everything, but also just how to be really good people in this community. We teach biblical values, no woke stuff. So it is a good option, especially for you if you want to go to ministry. Thanks. Here and then he'll be the final.

We'll go, yeah. Yes, ma'am. So as we become less woke, everyone started to turn against our views on marriage. Me and my best friend firmly believe in marriage and believe it's the best thing for women. Do you think it's smart that we full send get married and have a bunch of kids or if we just got at high school? If you just got out of school. Was the last part? Yeah, if you just got a high school. Oh yeah. No, have as many kids as early as you possibly can. Absolutely. No, I mean, true wealth is how many children you have or how good your relationship is with them. I mean, look, I know that might sound really radical, but I've been radicalized by the amount of people that did not prioritize family formation, and they delayed, and they delayed, and they delayed. And again, the most beautiful

stories I hear are from families that they had more kids than they could afford, and they extend themselves a little bit. And in that insanity and that chaos, they're formed very, very close together. And so, yeah, look, it might not be financially easy, but you have to answer a question, do you want to live a simple life or a deep life? And if you want to live a deep life, that involves having children and getting married. And again, for those of us that have kids, it is not easy. You know, Allie has three. We have two. You want to also, you want that self-love narcissism to die, have children. That murders self-love narcissism, right? Like very quickly. And it was like, self-love, like, okay, have two kids under the age of two.

and go give yourself like a nice mental hug or whatever weird Buddhist thing you're doing. And so, yeah, look, I, again, I might that sound like radical advice, but have, at least, you know, have a couple kids and then see how that works. But it's the most amazing thing and do it while you can. I think it's really important. And children are a gift from the Lord, as it says in Proverbs. And we would both totally agree with that. So thank you.

Yes, this will be the final question. Hi, my name is Brachson and Senius, and I have two questions. One is, how do I get closer to God? What are some tips how to get closer to God? How old are you, by the way? 11. Amazing. I'll give it up for that. That's not easy to do to get up there.

Do you have a Bible? Yes. Yeah, I do. So I would get you, like, when I, I, I, don't know if y'all had like the niv new adventure bible growing up was anyone born in the 90s that had that yes it was the best and so get you a good translation that's easy to read that's easy to understand i even like listening to the bible on an app sometimes i'm just busy that might be something that you like to do prayer in reading your bible those are two of the best ways to get closer to god

make sure that you're going to if i don't know if you're going to this church or not but if you go to this church, that's great. Make sure that you've got older men or older boys who are older than you, who are disciplining you, who are mentoring you and who are teaching you what's good, right, and true. Yeah, make sure that you're plugged into the local church and to people who can influence you well. I would say those three things. Yeah, and so there's, it's such a great question. The earlier you can learn how God designed you to get closest. to God is really important. And everybody has a different answer to this. Some people get closest to God in prayer. Some people get closest to God in Bible study. That's certainly me. When I start to see the beauty of

the scriptures using reason, I freak out. I love it. I'm like, wow, just the beauty of it. Other people get closest to God in worship of music and listening to worship music, which is very, very biblical. Other people get closest to God through acts of service. So through helping other people or volunteering, other people get closest to God by going to church. However, the last thing I'll say is this, is that this is not taught in most churches. You have to choose and decide to want to get close to God.

He sometimes does come into your life unexpectedly. That is legitimate. But you can't count on that. It must be a discipline. You must pursue him. and to seek him. So the sooner and the younger that you can realize that, the better.

Thank you, my man. I appreciate it. Thank you. All right. Any closing thoughts, All right. Ways people can support you or follow your work? Sure. It's relatable.

Wherever you listen to your podcast or you can watch. I've got a new book coming out, but I haven't announced it yet. So I'm not allowed to say what it's called, although I said it a few times tonight already. And I've got that other book, You're not enough, and that's okay.

I've also got, if you are a, woman. I don't even have to define that. Everyone in this room knows what that is. We have something called the Share the Arrows event that September 28th in Dallas, Texas. We've got Francesca Battistelli, Rosaria Butterfield, Elisa Childers, lots of other speakers, and it's Christian women coming together and empowering one another with the truth of God's word and the craziness of our culture. I'm go to ShareThearrows.com and see more about that if you'd like. but thank you all so much. Great questions and great energy in the room, too.

Thank you all so much for welcoming us. We will see you guys tomorrow. Please make plans to be there bright and early tomorrow. Have that godly patience. Let's do a show of force for President Trump. See you guys tomorrow morning. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust. Go to charliekirk.com.