The Charlie Kirk Show - From the Archive: The Choice to be Joyful — Charlie's Q&A at CLS 2023

Episode Date: June 6, 2026

Happiness doesn't just happen. It certainly doesn't come from getting addicted to apps and substances. Charlie explains how real happiness and joy are a choice that comes from living a rich life in al...ignment with God. He also explains how the fastest way to succeed in ministry is to fearlessly speak the truth while others are timid, and gives his definitive vision for what TPUSA's view on social issues is. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com!    Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:03 My name is Charlie Kirk. I run the largest pro-American student organization in the country fighting for the future of our republic. My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth. If the most important thing for you is just feeling good, you're going to end up miserable. But if the most important thing is doing good, you will end up purposeful. College is a scam, everybody. You've got to stop sending your kids to college. You should get married as young as possible and have as many kids as possible. Go start a turning point USA college chapter. Go start a turning point you would say high school chapter.
Starting point is 00:00:35 Go find out how your church can get involved. Sign up and become an activist. I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade. Most important decision I ever made in my life and I encourage you to do the same. Here I am. Lord, use me. Buckle up, everybody. Here we go.
Starting point is 00:00:56 Noble Gold Investments is the official gold sponsor of the Charlie Kirk Show, a company that specializes in gold IRAs and physical delivery of, precious metals. Learn how you could protect your wealth with noble gold investments at nobelgoldinvestments.com. That is noblegoldinvestments.com. Hey, Charlie, my name is Caden Smith. Big fan of yours. So at my college campus, we have about five people in my turning point chapter. So what is your greatest advice to combat against people tearing down your table, breaking into your dorm room and all this other crazy stuff. Wow.
Starting point is 00:01:41 What school again? I'm sorry? Mid-Planes Community College in North Platte, Nebraska. So I'm sorry you have to deal with the, boy, breaking into your dorm room. That's, I don't hear that one often. First, how do you deal with it? Attitude-wise. This is another thing they don't teach you in college.
Starting point is 00:01:58 How do you handle negativity and suffering? No. Don't do that. Don't do that. Do you complain or do you look at it as a potential blessing in your life? You are 100% in control of the attitude that you bring
Starting point is 00:02:21 to things that are out of your control. Secular society and modern society says that you are a victim of your circumstances. I'm here to tell you that you get to choose how you handle your circumstances. And so, for example, okay, our table gets 20. down. They break into your dorm room. You have two choices. I'm a victim. Feel sorry for me. I want
Starting point is 00:02:43 special rights and privileges. Number two, wow, this is making me tougher. I'm going to grow closer to the people I care about. Our five chapter members are going to be tighter knit than ever before. I'm going to have some great stories. And boy, I'm more motivated to defeat these Marxists than I was before I started my turning point group. Boom. Mindset shift. You have a choice to do that. And our society now is non-stop about something. You are just a creation of the stuff. No, you are a creation of who you choose to be. You are a creation of the mindset you bring to the game.
Starting point is 00:03:15 And so, yeah, bad stuff can happen to you. Sickness, death, unexpected car crashes, injury. Do you view it as a chance to become better or not? How many people have read Man Search for Meaning by Victor Frankel? Anybody? Well, that's actually more hand. I think some of you want to ask questions, so I can't tell. You should all read Man Search for Meaning by Victor Frankl, Holocaust Survivor.
Starting point is 00:03:37 No one can say that I'm suffering and then read Victor Frankl's book. The guy lost his wife, Concentration Camp Survivor, and he says, if you go through life with an attitude that this is a chance to improve and become a better person, you have the agency to do that. And so how do you handle it? Look at it as a blessing. Get tougher, get stronger, as a chance to grow your impact. And I will say this again.
Starting point is 00:04:02 you're involved at Turning Point USA, the maggots will attack you. Good. You will become stronger while your counterparts grow weaker. Next question. Where are we at? I have no idea. Mr. Kirk, in the center here. Okay.
Starting point is 00:04:20 I'll stand up. Mr. Kirk, how do we ascend to your level of basedom? And also... Basement? Yes, being based, essentially. How do we make time in our busy... or how would one make time and their busy schedules for the pursuit of wisdom? Okay.
Starting point is 00:04:39 And that sort of thing. Can I, great question. What school? Do you go to? I'm the only member here from Westfield State University in Massachusetts. Well, God bless you for being here. I have no idea where that is in Massachusetts, but that... Any far west do you get to Albany.
Starting point is 00:04:53 So even further west than Worcester. Okay. Okay. Yes. All right. God bless you. Thanks for being here. I'm going to say this as non-bragadoci.
Starting point is 00:05:03 as a human being can. You guys are not busier than I am. Okay? I'm just going to be honest. We got 400 employees. I got to raise $100 million a year. I do three hours of radio. I have a daughter, a wife, and I got to deal with the New York Times and whatever government agency wants to put me in prison. Okay? If you're busier than me, I want to meet you. You make time for what you care about. Podcasting. Wake up earlier. Stop doing drugs. Stop drinking. Listen to podcasts that matter or Hillsdale Online courses, whatever it is. You're not busy. You think you're busy.
Starting point is 00:05:37 If I told you that your life will end in 30 days unless you run a walk for an hour a day, you'd find time to do that. It's a matter of what matters most to you. So you're probably going to have to subtract something from that equation, okay? The easy stuff to subtract, here's super easy equation, okay? You could do your own audit.
Starting point is 00:06:00 Are you spending time with people that gossip more than pursue beautiful things? If yes, stop being friends of those people. Waste the time. Number two, are you looking at a screen of content that is not teaching you things or fulfilling things? Stop it. Do you have social media apps on your phone? You shouldn't. Number four, are you doing substances that do not make you feel good after you do them once the high wears off?
Starting point is 00:06:26 Stop doing those substances. If you're doing those four things, you tell me your business. you're not busy. You're distracted. It's a big difference. And so my advice to you is you carve out the time. Hillsdale online courses, Charlie for Hillsdale.com. You listen to the Charlie Kirk Show.
Starting point is 00:06:43 Listen to the Matt Walsh Show. There's Victor Davis Hanson stuff. Like I could give you 100 books, literally 100 books to read that you guys could dive into, but you have to want it. It's going to take a thousand hours of study within a couple years. But here's the cool thing. Once you go on this, there is no greater joy except getting married, having kids, and giving your life to Jesus.
Starting point is 00:07:08 So, like, no greater, like, daily joy, like, no greater daily joy than learning. The first line of Aristotle's metaphysics, all men desire to know. Dive deep, challenge yourself, read the great books. You'll start to get to a level of joy and understanding of wisdom that I think our generation is missing. Yes. Thank you so much for being here with us today. So you mentioned how it's maybe not a good idea to go into law,
Starting point is 00:07:38 but I'm someone who really enjoys law, and I want to go to law school and be a constitutional lawyer. And I think we owe a lot to conservative judges, like Scalia, Alito, Thomas, even Rehnquist from the 70s. So do you think it's better to not abandon these fields and instead try to take over them? As we see, the law has an effect on our daily lives, seen through recent Supreme Court decisions and even through COVID,
Starting point is 00:08:01 and what advice would you give to someone who wants to go into law and who's super staunch conservative? No, I mean, look, if you have the temperament and the self-discipline, go do it. I wouldn't be able to go through force diversity, equity, inclusion courses at a law school. That's what you're going to have to do, right? To go to a respectable law school, you're going to have to write paper after paper on why the Constitution is trash. I wouldn't be able to do that. So more power to you.
Starting point is 00:08:28 if you're willing to write that and do that. Every law school is captured, basically every single one. But you're right. We do need to have people go into elite society that actually love the country and share our values. But everyone's wired differently. I personally would not be able to go through that kind of humiliation exercise against my deeply held beliefs.
Starting point is 00:08:48 But yes, I mean, Amy Coney Barrett, Kavanaugh, Gorsuch is whatever. Scalia is amazing. We need a new way. wave of conservative legal scholars, and you seem like the type of person needs to do it. So I'll back you 100% in that effort. God bless you. Charlie, on your left, right here. Guy standing up right here. All right. So Charlie, my name is Charlie as well. I'm from Seattle, Washington. So we are in the middle of a huge culture war, and I really enjoy the point of view that every chapter is its own military base. And so every war needs a game-winning strategy. And so Charlie,
Starting point is 00:09:26 as one of our great generals. What's our game-winning strategy? All right, so it's going to be a long war. Let me tell you that. This is not going to end by, you know, the break of summer to use a military analogy. Number one, you do not apologize to the bad guys unless you know you've done something wrong.
Starting point is 00:09:47 You do not apologize to the bad guys by forced Maoist style indoctrination. Number two, you never surrendered. to their will number three you must be happy happiness is a choice you're like what do you know happiness does not happen to you you need to work on your happiness you need yeah that is that's prager's book happiness is a serious problem it will change your life as soon as you recognize that happiness does not happen to you you choose to be happy and if your college is not teaching you that your college is doing a big disservice to you why why does happiness enjoy
Starting point is 00:10:26 matter because they'll never be able to take that from you if you decide that's who you're going to be ever and again i believe the true joy comes from relationship with the lord you you i hope you guys make that same decision and so we must be joyful warriors what is the battle plan more than even law i'm so glad you're doing that but we need entrepreneurs we need some of you guys to go start the next google the next sales force the next ford motor company we need that badly. Can one of you go become a billionaire in the next five years and we'll have a lot to talk about, okay? Like somebody go found conservative Snapchat or something and like come back in five years, I'll name the whole chapter leadership summit after you, okay?
Starting point is 00:11:13 Yeah, I won't have a problem with that hundred million a year, right, exactly. One of you, please go get fabulously wealthy very quickly because we need our own George Soros, okay? What is the battle plan? We need you to... to go take risks and not just go work for people, but go employ people and go get very rich and then go give money to go defeat the maggots. So I got a lot more to that. And then finally, in your own personal life,
Starting point is 00:11:39 you need to be personally conservative. Men, stop watching pornography. Women, stop watching pornography, because a lot of women are watching pornography. Stop doing drugs, get married, and save yourself for marriage, and then have Mormon levels of children, and then get rich and donate them back to 20% USA.
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Starting point is 00:14:05 why positive thinking is undermining America. I had to read this book. It was torture. The general assertion is that being hopeful, being positive, being happy, being satisfied with the things, being grateful are toxic and are undermining America
Starting point is 00:14:21 in a variety of ways that she went in the book, all to make the not very subtle assertion that it's Republicans, it's conservatives because of all the data out there that we're too happy yes um so i wanted to know what your response is and why one of the main points is that we don't like demand enough we're not progressive enough we don't want more entitlements um but i think we demand a lot in in like a higher standard not in like handouts i wanted to know like your thought on that assertion that book that i had to read for okay so first of all you should before you ever this is a good life lesson
Starting point is 00:14:55 Before you ever demand anything from your society or your government or from others, you must demand excellence from yourself. Before you ever demand anything from society or others, you must demand excellence from yourself. If you are unshaven and waking up at 5 a.m. and doing drugs and being like, the world is so unjust, give me free stuff. Like, get your act together before you start to go tell other people to give up their liberty, freedom and their stuff. Okay? So I want to be very clear. Positive thinking has a bad rap in some way. I think we should be accurate thinkers, but you should also understand that your attitude is 100% in your control. 100%. The unhappy make the world worse. The person who wrote that book is making the world worse. But if you're a secular leftist, what do you have to be happy about? Everything
Starting point is 00:15:54 the left focuses on is a crisis that is unhappy. The world is ending from climate change. The world is ending from systemic racism. There is no God. Our history sucks. I would be unhappy too. We look at it like, okay, no, there's not a climate catastrophe. We're not systemically racist. We're the greatest nation ever to exist. And I'm made in the image of God who loved me enough to send his son so that I can live eternal life. Yeah, that would bring me a lot of joy, actually. And so, But I don't love that term positive thinking because people think of it as like delusional thinking, where, as Tony Robbins would say, you don't go into your garden and say, there's no weeds, there's no weeds, there's no weeds. You go into your garden and you say, here's the weed and let me pull it out so that you could live a better life and fix your thinking patterns.
Starting point is 00:16:47 And so we, Andrew Tate said this. I'm not an apologist for Andrew Tate, by the way. I think he's got a lot of problems. but I think he was totally right when he said this. All the young men are like smiling now because this is... Yeah. Yeah, no, I... I can't hear what you said. But, okay, yeah, again, I'm not an apologist of Andrew Tate, but I think he was right when he said this,
Starting point is 00:17:08 which is that society in general wants you depressed and they don't want you happy. That if you're happy and joyful, people act as if there's something wrong with you. But if you're depressed and angry or bitter, they're like, everything's right with you. that's weird and totally understanding that depression is a real thing
Starting point is 00:17:30 and that people can struggle with it and anxiety is a real thing totally get it happy to give your resources on that however your attitude is still a choice and how you act is a choice every single day only you are to blame for whether you are happy or unhappy today that is completely on you not on systemic racism colonialism misogyny homophobia
Starting point is 00:17:53 or somebody calling you a bad name. Next question. Hey, Charlie, just what's off by saying? A really big fan, but I'm trying to do a co-event with the student ministry I'm in, and the president is very adamant about not combining faith in politics. He is conservative, but he, you know, separation of church and state, he doesn't want to make it political, basically. So, like, what are some ideas that I can propose to him to where we can do a co-event? Yeah, I mean, you should ask him, where does it say separation, church and state
Starting point is 00:18:22 in the Constitution. and that would make him fluster a little bit. I'm pretty outspoken on this topic, as you can imagine. Your friend is wrong. What he's basically saying is he doesn't want to offend people. Well, look, the gospel is offensive, okay, by definition. And look, what is politics? Politics is how we decide who gets power.
Starting point is 00:18:49 The Bible has a lot to say about that. The Bible is largely a political. political document. What is true? What is good? Should we protect children? Who gets power? Should it be separate? The founding fathers quoted Deuteronomy more than any other book, religious or secular in the formation of our government. And so I understand campus ministry. They're like, oh, we just want to focus on the gospel. You are a weak person. Good luck with your nine people. How many campus ministries can get 6,000 people to show up to an event like we can this weekend? They can't. They're withering away. They're dying. Their membership is going down. Why? Because they're
Starting point is 00:19:23 increasingly irrelevant where they're like, we just want to love everyone. Meanwhile, this trans zealotry is spreading the country and they're like, we don't take stances on that stuff. Well, you're going to be irrelevant and your number is going to go down. If you stand for truth, people will come. If you stand for truth, people will come. Happy to talk more privately with you though. Thank you. On your left? Yeah. Hi, my name is Jude Carlson, unfortunately not related to the notorious Tucker Carlson, but I come from a pretty conservative area, but my fellow high schoolers don't exactly have motivation for politics or getting involved at all. So as having the privilege of being the president of the first chapter at my high
Starting point is 00:20:07 school, what would you recommend me do to have the largest impact that I can and encourage my peers to be leaders while simultaneously leading them to Christ? This is a question I get from people of all ages, which is someone who cares asking me, why do other people not care? It's just the way that God made us. A small percentage of the population will care while most people sit idly by and do nothing. It's just the way it is. So the trick and the challenge of the leader is how do we get those who usually won't care to care. That's the challenge in front of all of you. And the number one way is you yourself have to be joyful, enthusiastic, energetic, and you have to be a leader that is worth following. If you are those
Starting point is 00:21:01 things, then you have a chance to bring other people into those ranks, right? But again, the majority of the population is just going to be indifferent. Eh, whatever. How many times you guys hear that when you do this? Oh, whatever. I don't care. What? whatever, I don't care. You're going to have to just break through that. Piers that. Try to make it relative. Try to make it relevant, I should say. Try to make it engaging, informational. But more than anything else, people follow people. And so if you are a leader worth following, who's interesting, who studies, who understands their stuff, that's a great way to pierce through a lot of the cynicism and a lot of the lack of
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Starting point is 00:23:06 877-6-46-5347 and tell them that the Charlie Kirk Show sent you. Hey, Charlie. My name is John Walker. Chapter President of our Grand Canyon University chapter? Yeah. Nice to see you again. So I had a question similar to the question that was asked over here, but with GCU being like a Christian campus, pretty conservative campus,
Starting point is 00:23:31 there are a lot of students that I talk to, especially friends of mine that are like, hey, I respect what you're doing. I don't really care about politics. All I care about is the gospel. You know, Jesus is going to win in the end, so why should I care about America? I hear that same thing from a lot of churches too. So how do you suggest I go about going into these friends circles, going into these churches, and be like, hey, you should care about America because we know Jesus is going to, you know, come back
Starting point is 00:23:58 and those believers are going to be saved. But like, why should we care in the moment now? Great question. First and foremost, does the Bible ever instruct us to care about politics? Yes, Jeremiah 297, demand the welfare of the nation that you are in because your welfare is tied to your nation's welfare. Daniel, Esther, Mordecai, Jeremiah, Nehemiah, I could go through the list. Joseph, Joseph, one of my favorite characters of the Bible. Bible trivia, only two Old Testament characters called righteous or who?
Starting point is 00:24:23 Anybody? Noah, who said that? Good for you. No, Abraham was never called righteous. No, it's Noah and Joseph. Abraham was called good, but he was not called righteous. But close, though. Yes, whoever said Noah, that's really good for you.
Starting point is 00:24:39 People usually, I've been to churches and they don't get that question right. So Joseph called a righteous man. He was also called handsome. That's a separate issue. Joseph was what? What was Joseph? Let's Bible trivia. How could you describe Joseph?
Starting point is 00:24:51 Yes, he was young son discarded all this. What was his role in Egypt? Anybody? Second most powerful, but what he was a, what? He was, what did you say? The accountant. Yes, but he was a counselor to the king, right? God's vision for his people is to be counselors to the king,
Starting point is 00:25:10 to correct error into right, to correct lies into truth, right? So should we delete, should we take scissors and remove Joseph, Daniel, Mordecai, Esther, Nehemiah, and Jeremiah? No, we should look to Daniel. What did Daniel do when a tyrannical government told him to stop praying?
Starting point is 00:25:28 What did Daniel do? Kept praying, and he opened up the window and he said, screw you, I'm going to keep on worshipping Hashem, Adonai, Jehovah, Elohim. I am not going to listen to your tyrannical order. We talk about Daniel in the lion's den, but we forget how we got in the lion's den. He got in the lion's den because he did not put up with tyrannical government. What does it say in X?
Starting point is 00:25:53 It says that we will not obey man, but we will obey God. I can go on and on and on and on. This is a luxury of modern Christians that are comfortable and cowards. You shouldn't say that, but I'm being honest, okay? These are modern Christians that have it so good. They don't understand that Christianity usually ends up in the world. the gulag and the death camp and persecution. If we do not stand and fight for liberty, which is God's idea, not man's idea, we will
Starting point is 00:26:21 be having theological disputes from prison, and we're all going to be running prison ministries. But if we stand for self-government and the promise that the founders handed down to us, there's a chance that we can continue to fight for righteousness and goodness. And think about how selfish it is, though. Oh, Jesus is coming. I don't need to go fight for other people. What were the two things that Jesus said were the most important teachings of the Old Testament? Leviticus 19, which is love your neighbor as yourself.
Starting point is 00:26:47 You guys do, this is an impressive group. And number two, Deuteronomy 20, which is love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, strength, and mind. Good. So those two things. How can you love your neighbor as yourself if you live under a tyrannical government? I love, exactly. I love my neighbor so much. I want them to live in a free society.
Starting point is 00:27:07 That's what you should tell your friends. It is the loving thing to do to give someone a free society. It is the unloving thing. It is against Leviticus 19. It is against what Jesus told us is the greatest thing to have them live in a Stalinistic Mao-type government. So take whatever you want, maybe lower the temperature a little bit and then park it and say, maybe we should think about this.
Starting point is 00:27:33 And finally, liberty is to be able to do what you ought to do. We have this short gas where we live in a free society. Does God want you to be free? Yes. God delivered his chosen people from bondage, the first chapter of Exodus, and then rose a king over Egypt, who did not know Joseph.
Starting point is 00:27:57 Forgets the memory of the history before them. Terrorized, who are these Jews? Imprisoned them, enslave them. They multiply like cockroaches. And God went to great lengths to the deliver his people from bondage, from tyranny into freedom. But then what ends up happening? Anybody read the book of numbers?
Starting point is 00:28:17 Numbers 11? They start complaining. And they complain, and they complain, and they complain, and they complain. Numbers 11, God's chosen people. Ten plagues, parting of the Red Sea, ten commandments. Numbers 11, what was their complaint? Hey, God, we want to go back to Egypt because we need. had, quote, cucumbers in Egypt. You can look it up. Fact check me. English standard version,
Starting point is 00:28:43 Numbers, 11. They've said to God, we miss Egypt because we had meat, leeks, and cucumbers, and melons in Egypt. That's a good trivia question for your friends, right? Name me a vegetable that is in the book of numbers. Many people don't know it's cucumbers. It's like hilarious. What were they saying? I prefer to go be a slave than to be in the desert, even though quail is blown off course and manna comes from heaven. It is in our soul and our broken spirit to want to be taken care of and live under tyranny. It takes effort, effort of you to want to live free, to want to remind people that liberty and freedom is a value, which is God's plan for his people. Our broken nature wants us to go live under a dictator. That is the spiritual tension in front of us right now. Next question.
Starting point is 00:29:31 To your right? Yeah. Holy based. Let's go. Now, I just want to say, for all Catholics and curious, we will be doing a rosary tonight. We're trying to get a group together. I have a lot of respect for Catholics. God bless you. But anyway, please join. We'd love for everyone to come. But so what I want to know is, so I would argue that Turning Points rhetoric has gotten a lot better since the Culture War tour back in 2019.
Starting point is 00:29:55 And a lot of the arguments that have gone on within my chapter have been about what is Turning Points real goal? You know, people will tell me at least, they'll say, oh, this is all about economics, Gus. You can't focus on the social issues, and obviously, I think this discussion is proving that wrong right now. But I kind of want to, just because the rhetoric has shifted so much over the last few years, I want to know what is, like, Turning Point's definitive stance on social issues, both political, religious, and also how does that go into factoring in who can work at Turning Point USA?
Starting point is 00:30:25 Like, what is the standard for, you know, what someone should be practicing in their personal? I think that's a great question. And so first, I'll tell you what I believe, right? I think it's rather well documented. I think I've just gone through it, right? Believe in marriage is one man, one woman, right? I don't believe in any of this trans stuff, all that crap. And so, but as far as where turning point stands,
Starting point is 00:30:45 the most important way that I could address that is first and foremost an understanding of the principles that allowed Western civilization to flourish and a commitment to the eternal natural law. We go back to the Declaration and the Constitution, first and foremost, the laws of nature and nature's God. How you read that and how I read that is there is a natural law and we should follow that. So if I were to, because you could go through a million different issues, right?
Starting point is 00:31:07 And then all of a sudden you have like, your mission statement ends up being 500,000 pages long. So I made a decision. I said, you know what? We had this at our training. We believe in the promises of the Declaration of the Constitution, which does cover social issues, by the way. The declaration, God has mentioned four times, that there is a supreme judge of the world. Right? And so if you stay to just those two documents, what is Turning Points mission?
Starting point is 00:31:30 to revive the promise of the American founding is articulated in the Declaration and the United States Constitution, a.k.a., get our country back from these people. Now, you might say, Charlie, oh, you're ramping up the intensity. What has changed? I got married and had a daughter. That's what's changed. You want to get radicalized?
Starting point is 00:31:49 Get married. With that being said, some of our best activists, some of our, you know, hardest fighters in the trenches are people with other lifestyles in that. You know what? the world of them and I'm happy to fight for liberty amongst people even if I see differently on certain things that they might do in their personal life. So to answer that final part of your
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Starting point is 00:33:39 Yep. Hi. My name's Ann. I go to Hillsdale College. Greatest college in America. It's a great place. Thank you. Okay.
Starting point is 00:33:48 So, first of all, I love the referencing to the obscure biblical passages. My favorite one is the talking donkey in numbers. Yep, that's a really good one. Yep, that is really good. It's a lesser-known one. Okay. So I have been canvassing because there is an election this November in Ohio for something called reproductive health, and it's very vague and non-specific. But I was talking to somebody about how it is basically a bill that would allow children to get sex changes without telling their parents, and it would aid the people that helped them to do that.
Starting point is 00:34:21 And I was having a wonderful conversation with somebody. He seemed like he really agreed with me, and also he was a trans man, a man who was turning into a woman. But then, after he finished talking to me, he walked away, and he told somebody that I initiated a conversation with him and that I was debating and arguing with him. So my question for you is how do you respond when somebody is lying about what you've told them? Because I didn't initiate a conversation. He started a conversation with me. Yeah, I mean, look, you just got to be really careful. Anytime you're dealing with activism or engagement with a trans group, they have deep-seated mental problems, and you've got to be very careful.
Starting point is 00:34:59 Okay? It's not a joke. I'm not trivializing it. You've got to be really careful, okay? These people are not chemically balanced. They're on a cocktail of drugs. I hope they get care compassionately, but you just got to be careful, right? And so I can't give you, you know, personal advice on that, except for the fact that I'm sorry that you were lied about.
Starting point is 00:35:17 I'm glad you're doing that kind of activism. And if, look, if we cannot have a clear societal consensus that male and female, Period. Like you don't get to go after kids, especially in that regard, then I don't even know what to tell you, right? But I'm happy to dialogue with you more privately. But I will say I love that you go to Hillsdale and I love that you're an activist simultaneously. And tell Dr. Arn and I say hi. Okay. Thank you. Yes. Where are we at? Here? How are you doing? Charlie. So as I said earlier, I'm from Suffolk University. It's in Boston. You're going to transition so you can get on the website? Yeah, exactly. So actually my first exposure to Turning Point, there was one night you did a radio show with Dan Ray from WBZ. That was like my first. Oh, no way. That's so cool.
Starting point is 00:36:09 But so I'm studying broadcast journalism because I'd like to do something like what Dan Ray does one day. And at my college, I write for my college paper, and I'm required to put my pronouns in my bio on my staff page. and I really like the Tucker Carlson approach to, like, his whole approach, like, yeah, there's always going to be people that do that, but I'm that one guy that just doesn't want to do that. I'm in one of the bluest cities in the country. What's your advice? If you stand for truth and that, your life's not going to be easy, right? So you just have to know that. It's going to be a nonstop terror campaign where they're like, why don't you do the pronoun? Why don't you do the pronoun? Why don't you do the pronoun? Now, Matt Walsh has the best progression on this, right? It starts with mandatory tolerance, then acceptance, then celebration, then participation, right?
Starting point is 00:36:56 And so, think about it. First, you must accept the trans thing. That's tolerated, then you must accept it, then you must celebrate it. And now you have to participate it by the administration of pronouns. Like, well, that's weird. I thought it was all just about tolerance. So I don't know if I want to give you advice or not,
Starting point is 00:37:13 but I mean this seriously, you might want to consider this eventually moving, right? Like, if you have a chance to get out of the Soviet Union, would you? Right? Because you live in Massachusetts, man. Like, that's where you said? Yeah, it's not good. Like that, especially on the gender stuff, it is completely out of control. Especially in Boston, which is the most academic clustered town in the country.
Starting point is 00:37:39 Yeah, it really is. Thank you, man. Appreciate it. This will be the last question on the right. Okay. Hello, Mr. Kirk. My name is Abbaal-Hagan, and I am one. of the co-presidents at Pepperdine University.
Starting point is 00:37:50 Pepperdine, yeah. You answered my question last time about becoming a surgeon and also a mom at YWLA. Oh, that went a little viral. Yeah, I did. But thank you for reposting on your page. It was super cool. My family sent it to me, and they were like, whoa. But anyway, I have a bit of a different question.
Starting point is 00:38:06 So at Pepperdine, there's a really big organization that's called the Global Justice Institute, and they're currently serving in Rwanda and Uganda, breaking people out of prison for crimes that they actually do. did not commit. However, I joined as an ambassador to only advocate for Palmya negotiations in foreign countries because that's something that I'm actually passionate about. I'm not necessarily passionate about the humanitarian acts. I don't really have anything to do with our country. Yeah. So how, and there are many organizations at Pepperdine that are kind of conservative and also kind of liberal just because they have to swing both ways to have both sides of Christianity
Starting point is 00:38:45 be service. like some of the students were saying. So how should we as conservative students support these organizations? Should we go all in and try to really maximize that conservative side or just not at all because they're not fully conservative? Yeah, I mean, it depends. I have nothing against with helping people in Uganda or Rwanda. I do, how do I say this gently?
Starting point is 00:39:13 There's a lot of good people that do that work. But I also think it's driven a lot by upper-mer. middle class white guilt in this country, where they refuse to actually recognize our own country as quickly becoming a third world country. Like get on a highway, any highway, and drive through the interior of the United States. We have 110,000 people drug overdosing every single year in this country. We have thousands of people being sex trafficked, literally, through our country every single day. We're like, oh, I need to go to Rwanda or Uganda. Like, no, okay, good on you. But do you focus at all on your own country? Jeremiah 297, demand the welfare of the
Starting point is 00:39:48 land of which you are in, not demand the welfare of a foreign off land. I'm not against it. I'm sure they mean well, but I'm with you. Like, can we fix our own country before we try to solve the ailments of the third world? I just, I don't know. So how do you, I would involve, the Palmya thing is really important. The prisoners of war are missing in action. I'm glad you're doing that. So that's where my own sentiment is that. I'm not against, you know, international third world charity, but I feel as if it's been an over-emphasis of Christian groups the last 20 or 30 years, and there's kind of an indifference with the suffering that's happening in our own country. Thank you. Appreciate it.
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