The Charlie Kirk Show - Getting the American Youth Back in the Game — My Speech at the University of Wyoming

Episode Date: June 8, 2025

Enjoy Charlie's speech at the University of Wyoming during his American Comeback Tour, where he begins with the moves Trump has made so far that will most impact Gen-Z, and then he takes audience questions about working blue collar jobs, what values he wants to bring back to the west, how to react to legal and illegal immigration, and more. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com! Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hey everybody, happy Sunday. My conversation at the University of Wyoming. I take questions from the audience. I was on actually no sleep for three days straight, so you tell me how I did for almost no sleep in Laramie, Wyoming. Great conversation with the audience there. I think you're really going to enjoy it. Email me as always, freedom at charliekirk.com. Get involved with Turning Point USA at tpusa.com. That is tpusa.com. Start a high school or college chapter today at tpusa.com. Thanks to Allen Jackson Ministries for your continued support. Email me as always, freedom at charliekirk.com. Buckle up, everybody.

Here we go. Charlie, what you've done is incredible here. Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus. I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks. I want to thank Charlie. He's an incredible guy. His spirit, his love of this country.

He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA. We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country. That's why we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across.com. That is noblegoldinvestments.com. It's where I buy all of my gold. Go to noblegoldinvestments.com. All right. Great to be here, everybody. Lots to cover. Of course, thank you, Joe Bob, for the introduction. Thank you to our wonderful Turning Point USA chapter for putting this on. Give it up for the chapter. They work so hard. Thank you to the university for hosting us. It's been amazing to work with all you guys. And yeah, it's going to be fun. We'll do some question and answer. Hopefully there are some liberals

in Wyoming. Are there a couple? I don't know. Maybe or not. We'll see. If not, we could just have a great time talking the entire time. So, okay, so a couple things I want to talk about. First of all, there's so much noise going around the Trump presidency. I want to focus on four things that President Trump has done that is going to make America a more competitive country that is going to impact everybody in this room when it comes to hiring practices, the military, and it's four things that you might not even recognize or realize. You might have heard these terms before, but they're very important. And they're executive orders that President Trump has signed regarding critical race theory, affirmative action, disparate impact, and also the backbone of all of them, which really people don't talk about a lot,

which is DEI. I mean, they're talking about it in recent times. What exactly does DEI mean? So these four things together, I kind of call the like four horsemen of the like anti-racism monster that has been taking over this country. Now, why does this impact all of you? Very simply, we as conservatives have a super simple belief. We believe that when you hire somebody, you should hire based on skill and character, not on skin color. Skin color should not matter when you hire or when you accept somebody into a school, period. When you're trying to accept somebody into college or accept somebody into the military, it does not matter what the color of the skin of the person that you are communicating with matters. Can they do the job? Are they competent? Are they qualified? And over the last couple of decades in America, we've seen a little bit of a slippage into mediocrity. When meritocracy is not prioritized,

a country will descend into mediocrity. And these four things together very well might be well-intentioned, and I'll explain kind of how they play one and the other. The first of which is critical race theory. We don't have to spend too much time on this. This is the philosophical backbone. It basically is a belief that America is super racist to its core. Racism is normative. There's really nothing we could do to get rid of it except become like anti-racist fighters ourselves. In fact, Ibram X. Kendi, who's kind of one of the scholars of the anti-racism machine, has said that the answer to past discrimination is more discrimination. So we need to discriminate against white people because black people were once discriminated against. Essentially, it's now time for us to be racist because some people were racist a long

time ago. We kind of look at that and say, wait a second, if racism was wrong then, then racism is wrong today, so we should not have any racism, period, so on and so forth. But anyway, the belief system of critical race theory is taught in many schools. Thankfully, President Trump signed an executive order saying CRT will nobly be taught in any schools that receive federal taxpayer funding, a major victory, something very significant. So we start with CRT. Now, out of CRT, of course, then became affirmative action. This is something that probably everybody in this audience knows about. You've heard about affirmative action. You think you know what it is. It's actually deeply unpopular with the American people. At Harvard, we know exactly how affirmative action worked. If you were a white student applying to Harvard, according to

the Students for Fair Admission Supreme Court case, you had points taken off of your SAT score correlated versus a black student. In fact, a black student was able to get in with a 100 point less SAT score than a white student and 300 points less than Asians. Poor, you know, the Asians, they just can't get ahead. It's too bad. And it's amazing, like you look at this and we're discriminating against another minority because we're trying to be anti-racist. The, you look at this, and we're discriminating against another minority because we're trying to be anti-racist. The Supreme Court actually ruled this was unconstitutional. They struck it down, and they said, we're not going to have affirmative action in our country anymore. Now, and it should be applauded, the problem is a lot of schools ignored it. And still

to this day, they ignored it. And President Trump signed an executive order saying, actually, no, Supreme Court ruled you're not allowed to do this. And so when you applied for college or when you apply for law school, if you guys want to go to law school, and if you are a white male, you should not have points taken off of your LSAT based on the color of your skin. Let me break this down even further. You should not be penalized based on things you cannot change no matter how hard you try. Now, I'm not discounting that some people come from different backgrounds, but you can actually change your circumstance even if you come from a bad background. You can't change that you're white. Well, some people try, but you can't

change that you're white. Nor should you actually want to change if you're white. This whole idea that you're bad if you're white and you're bad that you're a man. Actually, no, God made you that way and stop calling that person racist just because they're of a white skin color and that you're told that they're racist. I think it's disgusting and reprehensible to its core. So affirmative action. The second of which you probably hear a lot of, and that is DEI. DEI is the slow-moving bureaucracy that has found itself in so many institutions. Thrilled, by the way, University of Wyoming got rid of its DEI office, so that's great. Credit on University of Wyoming. It's great. In fact, my friend Karen here, I even looked at it ahead of time. I was like, this better be gone. It's gone. Good. So, and if it's not, you guys can get in

the question line and tell me all about it. So, which is, the DEI is these forced diversity departments, and they are the commissars. They are the enforcement arm of the belief of critical race theory. These are where you have to sit through these endless seminars to learn how to be an anti-racist. This is where you could be fired by using the wrong pronouns. This is where they say, well, we want to try to have 10% of our workforce be a certain color. This makes us less competitive, and it actually makes us more tribal. It makes us less likely to create a community that is based on what matters most, which is why are we here? Are you trying to build an institution of excellence

or one where everyone looks different but thinks the same? As Bill Maher told me on his podcast, he said, the left wants college campuses to look like Angelina Jolie's Christmas card. But who cares the color of the skin of people? I care about, most importantly, what is the character? What is the work ethic? What are you going to bring to the table? What is your skill? What is your intellect? What is your IQ? And most importantly in all of that, as a Christian, what are the values that you bring? Are you a good person? Are you going to tell the truth? You know none of that based on the color of somebody's skin.

None of it. In fact, if you think you know that based on the color of somebody's skin, we have a word for that. In fact, that's literally what CRT and DEI and affirmative action is, is those things embodied, which is, of course, racism. So DEI. Then finally, what President Trump signed yesterday is the most important one, two, three, four, which is this thing called disparate impact. Now this gets a little bit

wonky, and this goes back about 50 years from an executive order signed by Richard Nixon and Lyndon Baines Johnson. This is the legal theory that supports this kind of, this monstrosity. So remember, we have affirmative action, which is how they do it in practice, DEI, which is that kind of the slow-moving corporate policing of the jobs that you will get, and then, of course, critical race theory, which is the philosophical backbone, and then we have disparate impact, which is the legal theory that lets this all happen. Disparate impact of all the things is one of those that has compromised the excellence of America more than almost anything else over the last 40 years. And here's what it is. If there is anything that can show that a certain racial group that's minority has a different impact, the answer must

be racism. So therefore, if you have, for example, let's just take the wealth gap, income gap, how good black students are at algebra. If anything shows that a certain group is not doing as well as another group, the answer must be racism and we must get rid of it. That is called disparate impact. So it's not about equality of opportunity, it's that they actually want equality of outcome. That there must be something wrong with the test. Think about it this way. Disparate impact would be basically getting rid of the test when a student fails instead of failing the student and keeping the test.

Basically saying, well, there must be something wrong with the test because XYZ group doesn't do as well. When in reality, there's never been a test created where all groups do the same. We have differences. Men and women have differences. You're going to have different outcomes over time. And by the way, the most important differences, mind you, are not racial differences. You know what they are?

Whether or not you have two parents in your house when you're growing up. That's actually the most important difference. Those differences actually shrink when black students have moms and dads around, when Hispanics have moms or dads around, when you have single moms raising millions and millions of black youth in this country, you start to see the data go in a very negative direction. So disparate impact basically is this. If you succeed in a test as a white student, that test must have been rigged racially in your favor, and we have to get rid of that test. I want you to think and contemplate how insane that must be and how compromising that is. President Trump yesterday in the Oval Office

signed an executive order undoing 50 years of damage of that policy in the federal government, getting rid of it completely. So all that to say, what is the country we want to live in? And I want to try to articulate that, and then let's do some questions, which is we want to live in a country that is not just competitive, but that is going to beat China. China doesn't mess around with any of this stuff. China plays to win. Now, China's totalitarian.

So our issue, not our problem, but we are a free society trying to compete with a totalitarian country. Now, the fact that we're a free society is actually a competitive edge. We'll start more companies. We'll have more unique ideas. Our people will be more creative.

We'll have more ingenuity. But the issue when we go up against China is they could say from a decree, they could be like, yeah, we're not doing any of this victim-based critical race theory, affirmative action, disparate impact. We're not doing any of that. We're going to be a country based on excellence. And it really is a question as we enter into the remainder of this century, for those of you that are 18, 19, 20, 21, 22 years old, the type of country that we want to live in is the one that we've lost that we want

to try to get back, which is if you have a certain circumstance and it might not be as diverse as you'd like, you should ask the question, but is it excellent? And if it's not diverse but it's excellent, then that's okay because we prioritize excellence over diversity because this idea that the pigmentation of your skin is what is going to make us stronger and better is actually a faulty premise from its core for example you go look at the moon landing you room after room after room are these people that were incredible at astrophysics and the smartest mathematicians imaginable but if you go watch that, some people would teach you to say, well, look, those are just rooms full of white dudes. You know, there's also

a lot of white dudes that stormed Normandy Beach, a lot of white dudes that founded this country. The question is, does it really matter the color of their skin? No, it actually doesn't. Instead, what should matter is, what are you accomplishing? Is that the configuration of the melanin content of what you actually put together is irrelevant. President Trump ran against many different things back in November, and I'm so pleased that he put this on the ballot. And here's the hopeful news. Yes, President Trump has secured the southern border,

and we have stopped the invasion on the southern border, which is amazing and must be mentioned and noticed. President Trump also ran on no men and female sports and he ran on drill baby drill and he ran on getting rid of the chemical castration of our kids. All of this is amazing, but he also put woke on the ballot. Now what is woke? Call something racist till you control it. That's what woke is. Write it down, commit it to memory. That's what it is. Call something racist until you control it. That's racist. That's racist. that's racist give me the keys that's woke so it's a means to power and president trump put that on a referendum and here is the most optimistic thing

the american people saw this measured it weighed it and said you know what i actually i don't want to live in a race obsessed country so i'm 31 old, and I can tell you my upbringing 15 years ago, we talked about race way less and it was a better country. I grew up in a very racially diverse part of Chicago, suburbs of Chicago. Over 100 different countries' nationalities represented. It wasn't a priority. It wasn't an obsession. It wasn't white privilege walks, and I'm going to tell you that you're a terrible person. Instead it was actually, okay, that's cool, tell me where you're from, different cultures. But what makes us strong is

not the diversity. It's actually the unity. What makes us strong is not the differences. It's actually the harmony. What makes us strong is, can we bring people from different backgrounds and combine them when actually those backgrounds are not as important? And that goes down to the key promise of what we as conservatives believe in. As Dennis Prager would say, I think Dennis has spoke here before in this auditorium, if I'm not mistaken, he would say that America has a trinity. In God we trust, liberty, and that last phrase, e pluribus unum. That is a Latin phrase. Our founding fathers believed in it. It means out of many, one. The founding fathers detested faction. Factions, especially racial factions,

will bring down your country quicker than anything else. If you want to sink the United States of America, teach kids about race all the time and have them race-obsessed. If you want the United States to thrive and be the greatest nation on the planet continuing for the next 20 or 30 years, de-emphasize race. Be like, yeah, of course you see it, but that's actually not who somebody is. Instead, it matters how they act.

It matters who they are. It matters what they bring to the table. It matters their soul. Because in God's economy, skin color actually doesn't matter to God. He says, neither slave nor Greek nor Jew, we're all one in Christ Jesus. It's a statement of universal human equality.

It's one that God loves all of us, regardless of how we look and how we're configured. And if we want to go the way of hyper-tribalism, there's nothing elevated about that. That's actually a regression. Almost every other country in the world lives in the second and third world poverty. They'll have tribes that will govern. Whether Middle Eastern countries, African countries, that's very uninteresting to me and it should be to you. The question is how can we actually rise above that? How can we be a better country? And President Trump, to his great credit,

because they're calling him a racist for undoing the most racist stuff that we've actually had on the books. And let me tell you why. Because in critical race theory, they believe you cannot be racist against white people. Let me tell you, you can be racist against anybody. You can be racist against black people,

and you absolutely can be racist against white people. And anti-white racism has been growing like crazy the last 10 years in this country. And the reason they say that is, well, white people are in charge, and so racism is a power dynamic, and therefore you're not able to be racist against a group that is in charge. That's complete rubbish. We know that. When somebody is prejudicing somebody or stereotyping based on the color of their skin, solely based on the color of their skin solely based on the color of their skin that is textbook racism and so this really is a question of the type of nation we want to live in but here is the final good news for all of you now entering corporate america for all of you that and by the way we have people all different skin colors here you should want

this stuff gone too you know why you should want to enter into an environment where you don't get extra points just because you're melanin content you want to always be viewed as someone who did earn it and not someone who didn't earn it that's what dei really stands for didn't earn it by the way um which is to get down to the core and the essence of the matter and it is a hopeful time it's not going to be easy some judge is probably going to enjoin this and it's going to go all the way up to the Supreme Court. But the American promise is one that remains clear, which is that we want to value hard work above tribal identity. We want to value grit and hustle and character above just what do you look like. What you look like is actually infants.

We want to elevate above that. We want to elevate above that. We want to be more sophisticated. In fact, this is a fight for Western civilization, a fight that, praise God, President Trump is taking to the left every single day. And this is one of his greatest successes so far. We're honored to be partnering with the Alan Jackson Ministries. And today I want to point you to their podcast. It's called Culture and Christianity, the Alan Jackson Podcast. What makes it unique is Pastor Alan's biblical perspective.

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And, yeah, let's begin here. My name is Ethan Casper, and about a month ago, I toured Turning Point USA, and when I was on my tour, I talked to a lot of your employees, and a lot of them went to college. And so I was wondering, why would you not hire someone like-minded as you? Well, that's a good question. Yeah, just so you know, we don't require a college degree to work at Turning Point USA, but that's a good question. A lot of people that work for us are actually graduates of college. Just so you guys know, I'm not like the biggest fan of college, if you haven't noticed that. I wrote a whole book called The College Scam, except University of Wyoming, Karen, I love this place. It's great.

So, of course. So, I've got to have a carve out. But my main contention is this. Know why you are here. Don't go to college to discover yourself. Don't go to college to find yourself. Bad idea. And definitely don't borrow a bunch of money to go study things that don't matter, to go find jobs that don't exist.

And so equally, and I think the Wyoming hard work culture will appreciate this, we need actually more people that are entrepreneurs, more people that work with their hands. We need more electricians. We need more plumbers. We need more carpenters in this country. And so we need as a culture to stop looking down on people that don't have a four-year degree. We need to say just because you don't have a piece of paper doesn't mean you're not allowed in the cool kids club. In fact, one thing that I am pushing President Trump on, and I think he signed an executive order on this, it's that it shouldn't be a requirement to go to college to even work in the federal government. And let me be also clear, it's not that all

colleges are bad, it's just that oftentimes many colleges are a waste. A waste of your time and a waste of your treasure. Those are four of your most valuable years of life, and if you're spending them and you're getting a lot out of it, great. But I go to college campuses so you guys don't have to, okay? I go to the most liberal places on the planet. And so many kids leave with regret, less energy, more debt, more confusion about the world. And I look at these amazing 18-year-olds, I say, boy, I wish that they would be given an environment where they're supercharged for four years, not weighed down and demoralized after four years. God bless you, man. I hope you'll work for Turning Point USA one day. Thank you. Good evening, Charlie.

My name is Remington Coltis, and I had the pleasure of spending the day with your wonderful Turning Point USA chapter. Your name's Remington. That's the most Wyoming name I've ever heard in history. My old man was a Marine. Thank you for your service. And by the way, we have a family from the Abbey Gate. I think they're here somewhere. God bless you guys. Terrible situation. Lost their life. Their loved one lost their life at Abbey Gate in Kabul, Afghanistan. Never should have happened under Joe Biden. So thank you for being here, guys. God bless you, and thank you for your service. Thank you. Please. Absolutely. And thank you so much for saying that,

Charlie. That means so much. So the reason I came here today is because I wrote a book for my very young infant son that I intend to give to him when he is a teenager. I was raised without a father, and many of us were. And in this book, I detail a lot of the things that a child should know, should learn from his father. And I've left a copy of that with your wonderful Turning Point USA chapter. I was hoping you would do me the honor of reading it before I finalize it. Thank you. I will. Thank you. Thank you, sir. And I'll just say one thing. The fact you were raised without a father, you now have unique opportunity to give the blessing that you never had, which I

think will heal a lot of maybe of the regret or sorrow frustration that you might've been raised with. And that's my advice to young men all the time that were raised without fathers that don't walk around being bitter, look and aim yourself to be the time that were raised without fathers, that don't walk around being bitter. Look and aim yourself to be the father that you wish you would have had. And that is the most beautiful way to kind of complete the circle and make the world a profoundly better place. So God bless you, man. Thank you so much. God bless you. Praise Jesus Christ.

Hello, Mr. Kirk. I'm here to ask you about, I'm assuming you are a big fan of RFK Jr. And just a few days ago, he made a speech about autism. And in that, he made some very specific things claiming that autism has increased, which is true.

Rates of diagnosis have increased. But he has also stated that autistic people are unable to pay taxes, unable to take care of themselves, and are a net drain to society. That's not what he said. He said some autistic people, which of course is true. He emphasized most of them. Yes, he did. No, that's not even close.

You know that's not true, man. Okay? You know that he did. I saw the video. You did too. That's what he stated. It's called the spectrum for a reason, right? I would know that. I'm on the spectrum. Okay's what he stated. It's called the spectrum for a reason, right? I would know that. I'm on the spectrum. Okay. Great.

Okay. So, fine. Congratulations. I mean, I don't know what to tell you. It's a completely irrelevant information. It gives information because I should know more about this than the average person. That's my credentials compared to you. So I should know more about this than the average person. That's my credentials compared to you. So I should know more about this than you do.

Okay, but again, Bobby Kennedy, who spent his entire life trying to get to the root cause of autism, I think you should agree we should try to find that out, right? We already know. It's a genetic issue. It just so happens to show up in people. Hold on. But if that's the case, why is it that autism was 1 in 30,000 in the 1970s, now it's one in 27? That's simple. Uh, we had COVID the lockdown, which affected people. Let me speak. Let me speak during COVID people isolated. They didn't

socialize with other people and they developed similar traits such as being unable to maintain eye contact and fidgeting, which are generally associated with autism. Now, that is part of the reason why we have higher rates of high-functioning autistic people and the rates of low-functioning autistic people have stayed relatively stagnant. Respectfully, then, hold on, guys. Why did the rate go up so much from 1990 to 2020 then? No COVID. It's because people were being diagnosed more. We had more exposure to it in comparison. The test is exactly the same.

The test does not change. We're testing more people. Okay, well, first of all. If it's become normalized in society and more people are being tested for it, then more people are going to be diagnosed with it. This has been widespread debunked in many ways. No, it hasn't. But testing better made sense for a while, but then if it keeps going up over a period of

time when the test doesn't change, then there's probably an environmental factor. And I gave you the environmental factor. Right. So it's just genes. Never said it was genes. The reason why we have had, the reason we have had higher rates of autism, specifically in the last few years, is because of lockdown and not socializing with others. If we had similar statistics from back when the lockdowns from Spanish flu, we would observe similar higher rates of autism. It was 1 in 33 kids around 2019, and now it's 1 in 27. So it went from 1 in 27,000 to 1 in about 33, and now 1 in 27. So it went from 1 in 27,000 to 1 in about 33 and now 1 in 27. So you go from 1 in 27,000

all the way down to almost a thousand times increase. There's something probably causing it and I'm not even saying it's vaccines. I don't know that. Some people believe it. Some people don't believe that. Well, we know it's not vaccines.

The original study was redacted 20 years ago. That you don't know. Yes, we do. Dr. Andrew Wakefield. I'm sorry. Hold on. Disgraced ex-Dr. Andrew Wakefield. Fine, but I will say that to have the hubris or the pride that you confidently know everything about the autism topic.

I know more about this than you, Charlie. Okay, well, fine. Just allow me to finish talking, right? I think exactly why we have not been able to find a determinative reason why so many kids have, like, let's just say, neurodiverse disorders, right? And so, do you think there's anything about the plastics in our food from the type of diet that we're feeding them? Microplastics could be a factor. Okay, well, now that's environmental. So, hold on. Are microplastics in vaccines food, from the type of diet that we're feeding our kids. Microplastics could be a factor.

Okay, well, now that's environmental. So hold on. Are microplastics in vaccines? Yes, they are. So I'm not saying that that's the only way microplastics come in. So now you're playing ball for a debunked myth that isn't true. Well, actually, I'm not. Yes, you are.

You just stated a tacit endorsement. No, I am. No, I'm not. You're not explicitly saying it, but you're giving enough for your audience to latch on to it. I think you, as someone who cares about this topic, should be extremely open-minded to all the data and not ideological about this. Whatever the studies end up showing that should need to be controlled, that need to be double peer-reviewed and blind studied. We have those studies, Charlie. We don't need more. We may find some that do change it.

And then if that does happen, I'll change my mind. But as of now, almost every single study shows that vaccines do not cause autism. I'm not even saying they do. What I do find a problem with is people that don't even want to continue to explore that topic or that question. And let me tell you why. The very same people that don't even want us to try to test that are the same people that told us the covid vaccine was safe and effective and told us to lock down our kids during covid they and my would you have rather had millions people of people die from covid or would you have rather had people being locked down i don't want to go down that rabbit hole we should never have locked down anybody the lockdowns did not save a single life yes it did the lockdowns ruined millions of lives via suicide, speech delays.

That's the problem. That is a negative effect of the lockdowns. But from the perspective of the government, they need a working people. All lockdowns did. They need people. All lockdowns did. If everybody is dying in the hospital because there's not enough beds, then there's not going to be enough people to work the factories that you want to bring back.

Right. So, again, all lockdown that you want to bring back. Right. So, again, all lockdowns did was delay the inevitable. Yeah. Everybody ended up getting. That was the point. The point was to delay it so we have a longer spread of people getting it so there were hospital beds. Again, just so we are clear. So people live. But the real reason why we locked down was because our public health authorities of Mr. Fauci and Ms. Birx and all of the gang over there,

they refused to ever entertain early interventions that could have helped people fight COVID, like vitamin D supplementation, potentially ivermectin. Those have all been debunked, Charlie. We know this. So you think that vitamin D has been debunked when it comes to fighting? Vitamin D explicitly doesn't make COVID better because we are slobs and do not go out. We are unable to get vitamin D, and having a good vitamin supplement makes it so you're able to fight back all diseases. Things along other lines, such as ivermectin, did not work. Let's get to the next question. So here we have a difference. I get it. You're scared. Weectin did not work. Let's get to the next question. So here we have a difference.

I get it, you're scared. We have clarity but not agreement. I am limitlessly open-minded to what is causing the nationwide crisis of autism in our kids. Do you think it's a crisis? No. There's nothing inherently wrong with being autistic. Well, so I don't know if it's wrong,

but it can be very challenging for some people. For some people, it can be a superpower. But there are severely autistic kids as well that bang their heads up against the walls. Thousands and thousands of families, tens of thousands of families have to deal with that. And I think that if we start to see something that pops up so often, and I would ask the question, if there is nothing wrong with autistic kids, why do they need medication? They don't need medication. Well, many of them actually do. That's because of other things. Autism isn't a medical, a medicated disease. You do realize that talking about wanting to cure

autism is eugenics, right? You do realize that. Hold on. So no one wants to kill anybody, but if you have brain inflammation to the extent. I never said killing. Eugenics isn't just killing people. Wanting to remove a specific part of people is eugenics. It's an outrageous statement. I don't want to remove them. I want a kid who's in seventh grade right now in Casper, Wyoming, who can't focus enough to take a math test or does not understand social cues from his classmates to be able to have his brain inflammation go down by maybe 20% so that he can have an elevated social life. I want that for the millions of kids that are diagnosed with autism in this country. So anyway, we have agreed. We don't have agreement. Thank you for your time. Private student loan debt in America totals about $300 billion, about 45 billion that is labeled as distress.

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Okay, cool. So you've talked a little bit about American competitiveness tonight, and I'm getting a sense that you're also not a huge fan of college, is that correct? Somewhat, yeah. Okay, somewhat. And you are also not a fan of immigration. So given those two stances, you are proposing cutting off a substantial part of America's labor supply, both in skilled and unskilled sectors, and you're not encouraging young people, or rather you are actively discouraging young people from gaining the necessary skills to replace the skilled immigrants that are coming in.

So given that you hold these two stances, how is America going to become more competitive when you, especially in fields that require highly skilled labor, such as medical research and material science and engineering? Of course I want people to get skills, so that's not a correct representation. Does college provide skills to the majority of people that go? Does a woman's study degree give you any skills that was going to help us fight China? Well, you're taking, and I know why you're doing this. That's a majority of degrees, and people that go to college are in the social sciences,

are in communications, and they're in irrelevant degrees. A majority. So a majority of the 21 million people that are in college right now, are they're studying stuff that you and I would laugh at? Oh, I wouldn't laugh at that at all. I think that people go to college for a variety of reasons. No, I know that, but do you think that when we're looking at American competitiveness,

studying North African lesbian poetry is going to make us more competitive? Well, I don't think that a person's decision to pursue an education should be determined by what is necessarily for the greater good of the country. Well, that's a separate issue.

I'm not even contending that. Everyone has a right to do that. You can make whatever path you want. I'm making a broader macro point of competitiveness that when you have millions of your best people studying stuff that's complete trash and complete nonsense to just go become mid-level manager, paper pusher, bureaucrats, not good. So I do have to ask the question. Well, you haven't answered my question yet because you're going on and you're talking about, okay, some degrees are not going to make America. No, a majority, not some. Okay. I'll grant you that. So you're saying a majority of degrees that are granted in the United States

are not going to make America competitive in STEM fields. Okay, fine. I asked, given that you are anti-immigration and that you are disparaging going to college in general. I'm anti-illegal immigration, just to make sure. I'm anti-foreigners breaking into our country. So I have to clarify you on my position, but go ahead. So the Trump administration's deportation of academics, that's bad, you would say? Well, again, it depends on Boston University that was deported for forgetting to declare frog embryos in her carry-on. That was a dangerous person that needed to be

deported. Would you agree with that? I don't know enough about the frog embryo thief. Oh, thief. Oh, no, no, no, no. These were samples related to her research. Frog embryo smuggler. Let's talk more broadly, though. If we are thinking about going up against China, do we want more universities that are of the liberal arts direction or more that are doing really, like, artificial intelligence preparedness, astrophysics, engineering, of which, of course, I totally support, but that's less than 12% of all students that go to college study those things.

So you're asking what is... What's going to make us more competitive, the current college model or one that has significantly changed and somewhat reconfigured? I mean, but just so you know, China's premise is that we're competing with them. I would say we're an enemy with the Chinese Communist Party, not just a trading partner, that they're an enemy of the United States, but I don't want to go too far down that rabbit hole. Back to immigration. I'm against illegal immigration. I want the best people to be here, merit-based. But I don't believe immigration is a charity. You should not come here just because you want to. And we're not going to open our doors as just an act of benevolency. We want the best people that are going to assimilate and make our country more competitive. So you don't think we should

open our doors to anyone with, say, a PhD or a higher skill? No, it depends. Of course not. So that is an arbitrary trimming of the labor supply that we could use. How is that good for American competition? These are highly skilled, highly intelligent people. Well, maybe, again, if they have a PhD in Islamic studies, what are they going to bring to America that's good? Okay.

No, no, seriously. If they, if they have a PhD and they wrote their dissertation on how wonderful Muhammad was, sorry, I don't want you in my country. Okay. You can go to France. Right. Okay. So you're, that's why I said it depends. Okay. Yeah. My, my, my answer was it depends. Now, if you have a PhD and you, you know and you've written extensively on how the atom was split and you're from Japan, then, yeah, we'll entertain you coming to this country, and we want that, of course. But, again, you have to have some nuance into who you're going to let into our country, not just your blanket statement, let anybody with a PhD come into America. That's silly.

You don't think that humanities have any value at all. Well, I do, actually, the way that it's taught and configured. So are you here at University of Wyoming? Yes, I am. Okay. Are you in the humanities or what are you? Oh, it depends on who you ask. I'm studying to be a doctor of economics. Oh, great. Good. So you guys have spent a lot of time studying Thomas Sowell?

Yes. And Milton Friedman? Yes. And F.A. Hayek and Louis von Mises? Yes. All of that. My work is actually quite closely related to Friedrich Hayek. Great. So do you think most college kids across the country are learning Hayek? Actually, yes. I was introduced to Hayek and Bastiat.

That's a joke and you know it. Oh, really? You're the first economic student in the country I ever know that even knows who Hayek is. Hmm. Well, I think that's because a lot of people enter economics thinking that it's just another business degree, that it's just about how to run a firm. I mean, it's a rigorous

study to obviously go after. The humanities as they're configured are wretched to the core with anti-Western teaching, anti-American literature. What do you mean anti-Western teaching? An emphasis on Herbert Marcuse and Angela Davis and Kimberly Crenshaw and Judith Butler and what? Derrick Bell.

What's wrong with Angela Davis? She's a great woman. Angela Davis, the outspoken vocal communist? Yeah. She's a great woman. Yeah. Wow. Yeah.

That's why kids shouldn't go to college to learn from communists. That proves my point. Angela Davis has nothing to offer to the academy. She is the disciple of Herbert Marcuse. I don't think a diverse education and political theory is useful. You can learn about those perspectives, but studying them as your primary perspective, do you think that... Whoa, whoa, whoa. Who, but studying them as your primary perspective, do you think that... Whoa, whoa, whoa. Who's studying Angela Davis as their primary perspective? That's a leap. That is a leap. No, it's... Hold on. Angela Davis's, or the post-modern school of thought, brought to you by Mercouza and the Frankfurt School, and Jacques Derrida, is the predominant philosophical worldview that is put forward in the humanities across the country.

That is a fact. Charlie, we've strayed pretty far from my original point. We've got people behind me. Well, hold on. I'm just going to give you an opportunity to clearly answer the questions that I had, given that you are anti-immigration. Anti-illegal immigration. Okay, fine. Anti-illegal immigration. That's fine. I'll grant you that. I want more Elon Musk and less Elon Omars. Does that make sense? That's bait, but okay. So that's the type of legal immigration I want. More Elons, less Elons. Okay. We're going to ignore that bait. No, but that's my answer. I mean, you have merit over earlier Muslim totalitarianism. You just said you are against some highly educated, highly skilled immigrants that come in based on your personal criteria. Fine.

And you are against training our young people to fill their shoes. How does this make America more competitive? And you've spent a lot of time talking about immigration and the fact that some college degrees are worthless, but you have not at all addressed how your viewpoints make America more competitive. Apprenticeships, trade schools, community colleges, there's other options than four-year colleges to be able to get skills, of which I highly support. Did you know there are 11 million job openings in this country right now that do not require a college degree, that just requires some form of technical training. So yes, we need less people going to college and more people that are going to enter the muscular class of this country. Community college isn't going to teach you how to cure cancer, but that's my time. All right. Okay. But a community college actually might teach you

how to change a tire, which millions of Americans don't know how to do. Okay, thank you for your time. As if studying the humanities, you're learning how to cure cancer. It's really something, yeah. Evening. I guess my biggest question is, I don't entirely understand what the point of this is.

Not what you're doing right now, but kind of this movement as a whole. I genuinely don't know what the end goal is of any of this. It's literally called the American comeback. But you're talking about past American values, past this, or differences that existed before the 21st century. But automation, progression, things like that, those don't get a go back. You can't reinvent some of the things we've done. When it comes to rhetoric around trans people,

it's always now, now, now, but 25, 50, 100 years in the future, I just don't know what the point of these arguments is. Take genetic engineering for an example. It's changing a lot of things about humanity and pretty much everything else in the world. Do you really think that innovation is going to stop 25, 50, 100 years in the future? Like, the ability to change something about a person pretty much arbitrarily, if you felt like it, or bringing back American jobs, except a lot of jobs

are being supplanted by automation, artificial intelligence. Like, if we keep doing that, there might not even be a point of working in the future. So I guess my real question is, what do you expect in 100 years from now, out of humanity or hell, even the U.S., if it still exists? I don't know. Okay, I mean, that's a good question. I mean, so what do we want? I mean, for example, we want to reverse the fertility crisis in the West. We are increasingly having less children and we have a population collapse that is plaguing our

entire society. People need to get married more and have children younger and have a lot more children in this country. We want to see that reverse. And that actually plays into your question. With automation, AI, and the hyper digitization of our country, we are becoming less human to one another. I want to see more people go back to church. I want to see church attendance go down. I want us to become a less violent country and have violence go down. I want a country where you don't have to lock your doors at night because you know your neighbor by the name and you don't have to worry that someone's going to come in and steal your stuff. I think Wyoming's a great model for part of the America that we lost, where there is that kind of rugged independence, but there's also that

neighborly dependence where you're so far from the town center that if something happens to your kid, you drive to a neighbor first to see if they can help or they can pitch in. We've lost that. We're increasingly a nation of strangers. We're foreign to one another. And so those are just some things. I mean, as far as 100 years from now, I would love to see what the current trends that we are seeing. I'd love to see the suicide epidemic

in this country reversed, the drug epidemic in this country reversed. I'd love to see us become less obese and improve our diets. And so it's just some of the things that we're aiming for, to come back to the country we used to have. That's the thing I struggle with, though. You talk about a comeback,

but the United States has its fair share of issues in the past. I mean, the whole point is to try to move on from those. Do we have anything great in the past? We do. There's also plenty of bad things. Okay, then we want to go back to the good things. I guess I don't like this rhetoric of walking it back. Why? Why does that bother you?

Why does it bother you to say, hey, we want to go back to how it was in the 1980s where divorce rates were lower and that kids weren't staring at screens all the time? Why is that bad? In the 1980s, there was a ton of drug abuse. Of course, every era has a problem, but objectively, the 80s were a better country to

be raised as a kid than today, objectively. The 90s, you could say the same. The number one killer of our nation's young people is self-inflicted suicide. When suicide is the leading cause of death of your nation's young people, there's something like so alarmingly wrong that we should press pause and ask the question, why? I guess, like I said, though, we can't walk back a lot of what we've done. The internet isn't going away. Same thing for artificial intelligence. I'm not even recommending that. But, like, a lot of those points in time you referenced, too, it's always about, like,

social media is causing, you know, the decay of the country or decay of humanity or just all of these things. But this stuff isn't going away, and it's not likely to change. So,, again, it's just, I really, respectfully, I reject your whole attitude, we can change things, you don't have to be on your phone all the time, you don't have to have it as if it's like some augmentation of your being, we can turn off our phones and be human again, you don't have to all of a sudden bend a knee to the technological leviathan, or the beast, and act as if you're just a vassal of the major social media companies, the technology might keep proceeding,

but they're also going to be a remnant of those of us that want to remain human. So, thank you. So, here's my question. I fundamentally disagree with you in regards to having a family and getting married in this day and age. And I'll tell you why. 70% of the men, or I should say people in jail, corrode in fatherless homes. So there's a direct correlation between those two things. So my thinking is that we don't need to necessarily have more families unless we have a complete change to the system.

Now, what do you think about that? We need a change to the system in order for us to have a nice conversation about, you know, having a family because the state incentivizes single motherhood in this country. And you're looking at me with that face, but tell me why. I'm trying to understand what you're saying. What is your contention that we shouldn't get married and have kids? We shouldn't currently because of this particular issue right now what is the issue is build that out further for me

outside of the fact that the anti-woman thing that you said it's not necessarily anti-woman it's a fact you can google this too and look at the divorce rates in this country I'm just saying that if we're going to have more families, we need some protections in place for men. Because right now, the legal system actively destroys the man in court. All right?

Is that false or is that true? I mean, yeah, of course it's true that the state encourages divorce. But how about you find a woman that you want to spend the rest of your life? I was married for 10 years. I was married for 10 years. And then you should take responsibility for your own actions. Like, why is that my problem? The thing is that you're saying you should, you're asking me if I should find a woman, but hold on. You're going up in front of people. Timeout to say marriage is bad. Cause I had a bad experience,

but it's true. Statistically, we can look at the data. Is it wrong to say that, Hey, 70% of divorces are initiated by women. When the data says that? Can I ask you a provocative question? Facts don't care about feelings, right? Can I ask you a provocative question? Yes, of course. Did you do anything that led to your divorce? Absolutely. Okay, so it wasn't all the woman's fault.

No, no, no, but I'm saying, no, but here's the thing. 70% of the divorces are initiated by them. And yes, this is an anecdotal situation. See, I reject the premise. I reject the premise. I think that we as men must lead. Women might initiate it, but we as men don't take the directive to have peace in the home. I reject the premise.

Hold on. Hold on. Time out. Let me finish. I reject the premise. Yes, women might initiate the divorce proceeding, but we are the one as men that ignore the subterranean threat and the brush fire that is growing. We're the ones that should take the family back to church, that go seek counseling if necessary.

And I don't disagree with it. It's not good enough just to say like, hey, you know, oh, it's women that initiate it. It's men who don't act, I think, confidently and strong enough in most cases to actually make sure that marriage is a safe haven to have children in a wholly protected place. And I think that makes sense. And let me say this. Okay, let's find some common ground. So we know that the system is flawed, right? So here's the thing that's flawed about it. When the federal government incentivizes the state at the state level for child support enforcement programs, and we have a system

where the state makes a bunch of money off of this, it's pretty parasitic, because there's no such thing as a 50-50 custody in Wyoming, even if you get along with the parents. So when the state is actively involved with family matters, and women are getting paid off from this, and this is not false, we have a toxic system that probably needs to be revised. Do you not disagree with that? Well, I think we should revise. I do believe in more men's rights and custody. I think

that's fine. But let's take a step back, though, and I think it's very important, is that men are objectively better when they are married and they don't stay as grown infant boys watching porn and playing video games all day long. And I don't disagree with that. Good, so we agree. I agree. So here's my argument. Despite the problems of the legal system, of which your argument has some merit, we still should get married because it is the right thing to do. Despite the technical problems, despite the difficulties,

in fact, it's up us for up men, us men, to find a woman that we love, and to protect that marriage, and hope that it never goes in the direction of divorce. And that's 30 percent, though. That's 30 percent chance that it succeeds. I don't, again, so, well, no, no, about half marriages continue. It's not 30 percent. No, because if 70, no, hold on a second, because look at this. Why do we have such a society that is so hyper-focused on we need to have a bunch of children and get married, but we have this system in place? And I'm talking about the federal government that incentivizes single parenthood. And we can look at most of these inmates in jail come from fatherless homes.

Maybe we should get rid of the state involved in personal family matters. So you're conflating. You know why the fatherless homes you're talking about are people that never got married in the first place most of the time. They're men that impregnate women and flee the women that they were with. But understand this, that every generation has had troubles. Our duty as men is to overcome obstacles, not whine about them and not complain about them so yes there is a problem here but I would reject the premise every man here should not every young man should say I'm not going to be a boy and I'm going to go do the hard thing and get married and have children and I would just push back against

some of your narrative you're telling like well men it might not be good it might not be this yes life has lots of things that could throw at you, but marriage is a holy, holy institution that we should aim for. And the fact that marriage is slipping in the West is one of the great damaging indicators as to why our country is falling apart. Should we revise it? Yes, I think we should revise some of the laws. I agree. But the answer is not to not get married or run away from that institution. It's tough. Okay, still, go get married and have kids. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. If you want to make sense of the change and the chaos happening around us, you're going to need God's help. That's why Alan Jackson Ministries, a friend of mine, created the Culture and Christianity

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of Wyoming currently. Next semester, I'll be taking a step away from college specifically, and I'll be getting my license in vet technician work. But go UW. I do have a question for you. I grew up in a conservative household. thank God. I'm very glad to be a conservative in this day. And I have recently kind of had some conflicting feelings, and I think that they kind of, in terms of like view, differ from what your view is. And I guess I'm really wanting to kind of get to a solid middle ground here and find some balance in my opinion. I am kind of rising to the mindset of being an advocate for Hispanics. Specifically, if I can give you an example, so recently, I think within the last

year, she lives in a different state, but if I can share this in confidence, I guess, I mean, without great detail, she is an illegal alien, and this was kind of a shock to me, being a conservative, and her asking me what my viewpoints are, and compared to hers, and she's become like one of my best friends, and I love her dearly, and I've seen her grow within the last year working in this country, um, providing a lot to this country and, um, helping America become excellent. Um, she's currently a student in a university and a lot with the recent election, which I'm proud of who I voted for, but, uh, she's not necessarily the same viewpoint. And I guess like my biggest conflict here is what would you like to see going forward for the Hispanic community, especially young women and men who are in their 20s who are illegal being able to have the same

equal opportunity in this country as I do? Because that's my conflict, you know? Yeah, so thank you. Great question. I'm going to gently correct some stuff. Yeah, it's okay. Not all Hispanics are illegal. In fact, there's a lot of Hispanics that are here legally. So I know you said Hispanics twice. I don't want to loop the idea that every Hispanic is here that broke into the country illegally. Oh, of course not. No, I know.

And that not all illegals are Hispanic. There's a lot of other countries that people that break those laws. I don't know enough about the situation here, but here's just the general rule that if you break those laws i don't know enough about the situation here but here's just the general rule that if you break our law there must be a penalty period and so if you are here and you came into the country illegally i don't know the circumstances if they were carried as a kid it's a little bit more complicated she was when she was two yeah well so then her parents are the ones that should go back to wherever she came from with her. Okay.

Because her parents made that mistake with her. I'm an incredibly non-negotiating hawk when it comes to immigration. Because if you come here without permission, if you come here without warrant, then we don't have an immigration system. We basically just have a bum rush on the southern border. It could be very hard for you because you know this person and you like this person. Right. At the same time, we're the only country in the world that says, you know what, I understand that you're not supposed to be here and that you haven't been here for the right reason and we're just

going to allow you to stay here. That's how we've gotten to the place where we have 20 million people illegally in our country. And so, and I just, like, just to be clear, that her parents are the ones that basically cut in line and then used her kind of as a way to get into the country. And I don't love the idea of emotional manipulation. I'm basically a blind justice guy. If you're not here legally, we will humanely return you to your country of origin. And so you might not agree or like that, but we have to be a nation of laws. We're not going to be just a nation of feelings.

Right. Yeah, and I really appreciate that. Thank you so much. Thank you for your question. Really appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. Hello.

My name is Kit. So I am a generally conservative libertarian. However, one thing I've noticed about the conservative movement over the past couple of years is almost an over-fixation on the left's obsession with identity politics. And I think what it seems like it's turning into is that we're becoming so obsessed with getting rid of identity politics that it is effectively becoming our identity politics where it seems like it can be a tool that's used to hide bad policy and ignore good policy that needs to be implemented.

And I just wonder, do you think that this over-fixation on getting rid of identity politics could eventually hurt the conservative movement? Can I ask you to give an example is that okay well as an example for your entire introduction here the majority of it was talking about you know getting rid of dei and don't get me wrong dei isn't a good thing i okay i'm glad to have it gone well no so identity politics just so we're clear is your political affiliation is your skin color. Getting rid of things that believe that your political affiliation is your skin color is not identity politics, and it's not our identity.

We're simply just fixing an error. Does that make sense? Yes, but the over-fixation on those things, because we do definitely have genuine issues that I hear almost nothing about from either side, actually, or there are things that I hear from the about from either side, actually. Or there are things that I hear from the left, but they don't actually do anything about because the goal is to not actually... Yeah, fair enough. We would just say, though, that those four examples I gave,

CRT, DEI, affirmative action, disparate impact, these are incredibly important. And what I'm doing is celebrating like a glorious achievement. And I only have so much time to talk here. And we should get rid of bad things. And we should celebrate it when we get rid of bad things. Right, but the focus with getting rid of bad things, I mean, don't you think that the focus of getting rid of bad things is to then talk about what new things we can move on to? Sure, yeah, I mean, I think President Trump is doing that as well,

but I mean, have you seen an emphasis on the disparate impact stuff? Probably not. I mean, this is a monumental step forward for the country because we're getting rid of this monstrosity. And getting rid of DEI means we're bringing back merit. That means more innovation. That means more entrepreneurs. That means more risk-taking, more invention. And so I think they actually play in together. Thank you very much. Hi, Charlie. I go to a decently sized trade school here in town called WyoTech. Good for you. God bless you. I know there's quite a few of us here,

so I just had a quick question. What's your advice for the blue collar community? Man, first of all, God bless you. First, my message to those that work with your hands. Not only do you matter, but we would not have a country without those of you that work in the invisible jobs behind the scenes. Three things. Four things. Build skills, build businesses, build wealth, build character, build a family. Five things. Do those five things. And you in a blue-collar job, you have a very unique blessing. And I find this.

You know what your blessing is? You can what I call layer. Layering is where you do one thing and you can add another productive thing on top of it. So can I ask you, what is your proficiency? What are you good at? I'm in collision and refinishing. Great. So I imagine, thank you, by the way, collision and refinishing, you're going to have a job for a long time, just so we're clear, especially with Wyoming winters, right? So while you're doing that work, I imagine you could listen to a podcast, right? So my advice to blue collar America is you could become incredibly wise and deep and proficient

while you're making an income. A lot of people that are sitting in meetings all day long that work in the laptop class, not the muscular class, they don't have the ability to do that. So what I'm getting at is in the time that you're working with your hands, you're able to also train and learn and dive deep into ideas. That's why I believe the average plumber in this country has more wisdom than the average college professor in this country, because they are consuming such necessary information.

And then finally, never let anybody, anybody talk down to you or what you're doing just because you did not go to college. Prove them wrong, start a business, build a lot of wealth. Not only is it critically important, but, you know, we have a colossal shortage in this country of people that know how to do things, and when you can do things, you are valuable, and therefore you are powerful. So God bless you, men. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you for all you've done for this generation. Just a reminder, disagreements will work you through the line. Yeah. Hi, Charlie. My name is Lenny and it's nice, very nice to meet you. I'm a conservative through and through. And something I struggle with a lot is some of my family members are Democrats and I like to debate with them a lot, but they always get me with the tariff conversation. So I was wondering

if you could kind of elaborate on the benefits of the tariffs. Yeah, I mean, look, it's way too soon for anyone to win that debate. Let's just start with China. We do not make our own vitamin C in this country anymore. We don't make the ingredients to be able to make our own antibiotics or our own drones. What President Trump is doing is, number one, the people voted for tariffs to bring jobs back to this country. Number two, he's using this as a negotiating tactic to be able to bring countries to the table so that they will buy more of our goods and services.

How does this impact Wyoming? You guys have a lot of LNG in this state, right? Got a lot of liquefied natural gas. You should be able to sell Wyoming LNG to Japan and to Europe without any tariff, and they should buy Wyoming LNG, not Iranian oil or gas. That's what the tariffs are actually going to allow us to do. They're a negotiation tool to be able to bring people to the table. I think we're going to get phenomenal deals out of this. Look, America has two oceans to our sides and a continent of resources.

Very, very rare. And we have two friendly neighbors. Yeah, we have two friendly neighbors. And we've allowed ourselves to become dependent on countries that aren't like us. The tariffs are a message and a signal that we want to be a self-sufficient country and that we will not be a vassal state

to the Chinese Communist Party. Thank you so much. Appreciate it. God bless. Thank you. Hi, Charlie. My name is Keith Stoddivant and I was wondering, what is a woman? Well, an adult human female with XX chromosomes. That's what a woman is. Thank you. Hi, Charlie. My name's Allie Edwards, and I'm a student here at the University of Wyoming, and I'm studying rangeland ecology and watershed management.

I guess my question is I'm concerned about the reduction of staff in public land agencies like BLM and Forest Service. Given how crucial public lands are to Wyoming's economy, why are these cuts happening and how do you recommend that we manage these lands effectively with fewer resources? Given that in Wyoming especially, we are going to feel this on the fire lines this summer. Yeah, again, I don't know enough about it. Do you think there's any waste in these departments? That'd be my first question. Definitely. So I always like to joke, I had a boss who never showed up to work. So maybe that's who Elon fired. Yep. He didn't. He fired me. Oh, okay. Well, yeah. I'm sorry that you got fired. Well, no, I mean, I'm a seasonal employee, but, you know, the hiring freeze, they could not hire interns this summer.

But, you know, I had some friends that worked the Forest Service as well who lost their jobs, and they were participating in their jobs every day. Yeah, so, again, you isolated one thing of waste. I wish they would have cut that, not you. You seem very sweet. I don't know nearly enough about that. But, yeah, look, the intent. Let me go to the broad intent. And I think a lot of that will get worked through.

Senator Barrasso and Senator Lemus, I'm sure, are working through all that. Is this. We are a nation careening towards bankruptcy. We are going to be borrowing trillions of dollars that we do not have. We're $35 trillion in debt. You have to make tough cuts when that happens. And I also think when you make a mistake and you cut things that you shouldn't, you should fix that mistake of which I think is happening in certain areas but I would prefer an administration

that moves fast to cut spending than never moves at all to cut spending because we have a massive problem with our debt and deficit in this country so I hope you'll be back on the fire lines this summer. Thank you. God bless you. Thank you. Great question. Hello Charlie my name is also Charlie, so good name. I'm a member, I'm actually an editor at the student newspaper here, the Branding Iron.

And I was just wondering sort of a politically neutral question, I guess. Well, two-parter. First of all, I think I already know the answer to this, but do you think that there's a bias in American media today? And secondly, as a member... Yes. I kind of figured. But secondly, as a member of the press, you know, I want to be a journalist. What can I be doing to combat that in your view? So the first part of bias is story selection bias, which is the stories they don't cover. So my first piece of advice is it's not even the story composition itself, which is, of course, bad, but it's are you covering the stories that might make one side look bad or actually might elevate another side?

So story selection bias is big. Finally, it's also the facts that they emphasize or they will not emphasize. So my other piece of advice to you is that when you are writing the story, if you're describing, for example, Charlie Kirk, the liberal media would say, white supremacist Charlie Kirk. That doesn't have journalist intent, right? That's just complete BS, garbage, rubbish, there's nothing behind it. So try to refrain from like very incendiary descriptions or adjectives and try to, and I'm sure they teach this as you're a journalist, right? Be incredibly factual in the way that you can write it. In fact, your job should be,

this is your goal, the reader should never know your politics. If the reader does not know how you vote, you're an honest honest journalist if the reader is left in mystery about your reporting you're a good journalist fair enough that's always been my goal god bless you man thank you so much we'll take a couple more yes my name is sar, and I'm an adjunct professor at this university. And one of the things that you say is that university is a waste, and I would like to know what can professors do to make university not a waste? Great question. What do you teach by, or help teach?

I teach agriculture law. Great. The more applicability in the classroom, the better. So let me say this. In your particular domain, things that can be immediately useful and that can be applied to the domain of which they're in school for is incredibly important. Professors should also focus on building a network of employers that can come in and teach and meet the kids in class because they actually want people to and teach and meet the kids in class because they actually want people to hire. And then the kids would be thrilled that they get to go meet people that could potentially hire them. And so as a professor, just a piece of advice, you know,

in agricultural law, I bet there's like 10 big ag law firms in Wyoming. I'm just guessing, right? That do the, I bet there's like a big three and there's probably 10 that you know of. They should come in and present, you know, once a semester. I'm sure probably this already happens, but then the students are able to communicate with them. They get to know them, you know, and develop relationships with them. So. Thank you. Thank you so much. God bless you. Thank you. We've got one or two more. Hello, my name is Dominic Reed. I'm a WyoTech student. I'm currently in the diesel program. I have a question.

Awesome. I have a question about the mass diagnosis of ADHD, ADD, and then essentially just mass prescribing Ritalin and other amphetamines to children. I was prescribed a Ritalin. I got a Ritalin prescription at like third grade. And it turns out that all I needed to do was work with cars and with my hands and then actually focus. What is your opinion on America?

This is awesome. We take more medications than any other country on the planet. That's not a good thing. We think we need a pill for every ill. And what's happened with ADHD and the New York Times did a massive story on this, is that it's actually for the parents' benefit, not for the kids' benefit

to medicate third and fourth grade boys because they're too rambunctious. Hey, you want your men to be full of energy when they're in fifth, sixth, and seventh grade. You do not want them medicated just staring into the sky. And look at you. All you needed was to find something that you cared about, that you were passionate about. You didn't need to have a bunch of pharmacological agents pumping through your body. It's a problem of values. People want a pill to solve their troubles, and we mass over-prescribe ADHD. Imagine all the geniuses, all the brilliance that we are currently medicating in this country because they're too unruly. You think about it, if you want to neuter the men of a country, you give them a bunch of

drugs. Makes them more agreeable. Makes them easier to control. So, my final point on this is I'm glad you found something that you could pour yourself into. Mass medication and over-prescription is a major structural problem in this country. On our part, do you think that has an effect on the amount of, like, drug addiction in this country? Mass prescribing? Potentially, yeah. I, do you think that has an effect on the amount of like drug addiction in this country, mass prescribing? Potentially, yeah. I mean, I think that philosophy has led to the mass prescription of drugs in this country. There are two types of problems. There are acute problems and there are chronic problems. For acute problems, drugs are great. If you have, you know, you've broke your leg or that you have a back problem, those are temporary.

Chronic is a much different. That could be ADHD, it could be lupus, it could be all sorts of issues. When it comes down to those specific issues, I think we need to look at more natural solutions, becoming more in touch with our bodies, going on a walk, not being on the phone, getting in the sun, working with our hands,

being around family, going to church, eating well, you know, and not being catastrophically overweight, I think is a lot better than taking six pills every single day. God bless you, man. Thank you so much. Okay. This will be the final question. Hi, Charlie. My name's Isaac. I'm 20 years old. That means laughter. It does. And I do like to laugh a lot.

Good. So a couple of years ago on the way home from high school, when I was in high school, I was listening to your show, and I heard you advocate for the trades and not going to college. So I wanted to thank you for that input because I gladly skipped college, and I've been an electrician for two years now, and I love it. So thank you. Great for you, man. My question is a faith-related one, actually. So I'm sure you know that most tradesmen are either alcoholics or divorced or felons or sometimes all three.

But it's okay. We love them. What would your advice be to young tradesmen who love Jesus more than anything and want to exemplify him in every word and action but have a really hard time consistently operating that way in an environment where mentioning Jesus is like committing a war crime. Man, first of all, God bless you, and thank you. I love the hardworking men of Wyoming. It just gives me so much hope.

It's just amazing. Number one, you have to make your faith center in everything that you do, in all that you do. In the same advice I gave previously, it's a podcast you listen to. While you're doing your work, make it sermons, make it teachings, make it speeches that glorify God in all that you do. If you know that most tradesmen have problems drinking, maybe you're just going to say, I'm going to not drink in my life. I don't drink, and it's a great way to live, everybody. Tucker Carlson doesn't drink.

Donald Trump doesn't drink. You've got a lot of energy when you don't drink. I'm seven months sober, by the way. Praise God, man. That's amazing. Good for you. And let me ask you, do you see a positive benefit from that? In every aspect of every second of every day.

Praise the Lord. And my advice for people in this audience is that if you're struggling with alcohol, tomorrow can be a new day where it can be your day one. Jesus Christ is with you through every single one of those steps and those struggles. And even if you say, well, you know, I don't have an alcohol problem, that's fine. That's not actually the contention. The contention is, is it good for you in what you want to do? So here's what I say to young men, and Jordan Peterson's been saying this for a while, which is, what are you aiming at? What is your goal? What is your destination? And so by not drinking, what you've done is you've just taken one of those variables completely off the table. And let me tell you, if you're an alcoholic, you're more likely to get divorced. So you now

have decreased the likelihood of getting divorced. I don't know if you're married or if you're looking for... My whole heart belongs to Jesus right now. Amazing. There's a lot of women here that I think would love to meet you. So read the Word every single day and come up with clear rules for your life of things that you will not do, things you will not watch, ways that you will not engage. And finally, never be satisfied with the skill set you have. Learn a different language. Learn more about a specific topic that you enjoy. Start

another business. And finally, you're in a unique place because when people call an electrician, they're looking for help. You have a chance to minister. So when you walk in to be an electrician, you don't have to be like Billy Graham and so proclaim it. You don't have to be that. But you could say, hey, how are you doing? You having a good week? People will talk to you. It's amazing how they'll talk to people they welcome into their home, especially if you have a good way about you.

And you're organized and you're put together and you don't have alcohol on your breath. They'll talk to you and they'll say, oh, it's just terrible. You know, my kid is this and that. Be like, can I pray for you? And by the way, this is Wyoming, right? This is not San Francisco. So a lot of people will say yes.

And then you can all of a sudden use your electrician job as a way to witness to other people. And you would be shocked at how God is going to use you to be able to spread the gospel in places where people would never ever come into gospel before. And it doesn't mean you have to all of a sudden rename your electrical company to like, you know, Jesus heals your electrical problems, right? At the same time, you need to be a witness in every way because you're going to find people that are suffering. You're going to see kind of, you know, discord and, you know, disillusionment. And you are now

a missionary and you didn't even realize it. You get to go into more homes that I get to. I mean, I broadcast a lot of homes, but you're going to be intimate. And even if you walk into a business, you get to meet in your career. How old are you? 20 years old. You're 20 years old. So you're going to be an electrician probably for the next 40 years, 50 years. You're probably going to walk into 10,000 to 15,000 homes. That is a mission field the likes of which that now at 20 you can be like you know what my aim is my aim is to bring 250 people to Jesus over the next decade or my my why is to do that so now all of a sudden you're using a trade

that can then feed you know feed your family eventually and make you money to go glorify God on an ultimate purpose and that's my advice for all of us, is to infuse your daily work for God's glory and to do it in ways that we can never imagine. And so, man, God bless you. And I just want to say that, like, I love people that go in the contrarian way. I'm sure there was a lot of pressure to go to college, but you're going to earn a great living being an electrician. There's a shortage of electricians in this country, as you well know, all across, because we look down upon these trades in this country and we said we should elevate them. So I'm counting on you to be the missionary electrician from Laramie, Wyoming. God bless you, man. Thank you so much. All right, everybody. Final point. Wyoming, I didn't talk about Wyoming politics. You guys

need to stay involved in local politics and your state politics. This state should be the most conservative state in the country politically. It is in presidential politics. It needs to start acting that way in who you elect and how you keep the pressure on. I'm thrilled that you guys retired Liz Cheney. Keep that up, everybody. We love that. God bless you, and God bless Wyoming.

Thank you guys so much. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com. Thanks so much for listening, and God bless. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.