The Charlie Kirk Show - Has Islam Ever Built A Single Country? ft. Matt Walsh

Episode Date: October 29, 2025

Did Muslims help build America? Did Muslims even build the Middle East? Matt Walsh joins Andrew, Blake, and Alex Marlow for a panel discussion on the immigrant group Zohran Mamdani is so eagerly promoting. They also continue the discussion of SNAP benefits and whether America has become a country too dependent on government money. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com!    Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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A lot of you guys are emailing us about the SNAP benefits because we did the EBT snap videos from TikTok of all the ladies that are threatening to just have a national shoplifting day, which is really interesting. So basically, we're in the 28th day of the shutdown. Come November 1st, SNAP benefits will terminate. for more than 40 million people. Blake that's already raising eyebrows. I think a lot of people, you know, 42 million.

That's a lot. And how many Americans are the 42 million? That is over 10%. And it is more people who are on it. I think the rate for people who are naturalized citizens is higher than for native-born American citizens. A lot of illegals get it because if you have an anchor baby in America, you can receive snap.

And it's an important thing to remember where people, food stamps, when we call them food stamps or snap or whatever. it's basically a sciat because they'll say like oh you can only use it on necessities but everyone does need to eat and so it's essentially just a cash welfare program because money that you get for this can go to other things people sell their snap benefits of course anyone who's been in a bad part of town will know that this happens you know someone will buy you uh 25 dollars worth of snap stuff and they'll give you a 20 in return things like that but it's a real issue a lot of people i mean we're getting also emails from people who are themselves on it who are saying, you know, people who are single parents or they're struggling where they're saying, I, I need this to get by.

And is there a way that we can separate genuine need cases versus people who just don't want to work? It's a complicated issue. And I think the bigger picture we have to ask ourselves, first of all, is who's going to win a shutdown of SNAP? Because it's sort of the microcosm of the bigger debate over the shutdown is, is it a Democrat? thing that causes to happen? Or is it the Republicans' fault that this is happening? And I think they've both banked that they would win on this. But it seems like Trump may be ahead. I saw the other day, I think a major left-wing labor group has been upping its agitation to do a clean extension on spending. Because I do think there is some sense that... Yeah, the number one biggest federal

workers union now is... Yes, that's who it was. Yeah, and they want the government open, and they're basically taking the Republicans line on it, that is the Democrats or the obstructionist, which was shocking to me. I did not expect that when you start actually reading the article. But this is really important here because when we're talking about SNAP, you go macro, you go big picture, it's all offensive. There's 40 plus million people that are on it. It's offensive. You look at how many of these are foreigners who came into this country or now mooching off the system, some of them illegal aliens. That's offensive. What is over indexed with the SNAP expenditures? It is all going to be junk food. And that's going to be offensive. But then there are people, as Blake notes,

who legitimately do need it, are accustomed to it, count on it, and they're able to pay for other stuff that does contribute to the economy because some of their food stuff is subsidized. And we're just going to rip it away from them because why? Because the Democrats want funding for illegal alien health care. And that is an opportunity for us to frame it up politically that no one's taken until it seems like this morning is the first day. Yeah, dive into that a little bit more because like now you're thinking like a messaging strategist, which is kind of where my head goes.

And so, you know, basically you need to take their attack and reverse it onto them, which is really obvious because they're holding the whole government hostage. So Democrats are the ones that are keeping the 40 million people from getting their food stamps, even though, listen, we all know that there's a lot of people on SNAP that should not be on SNAP, but it's really Democrats that are holding it hostage so that they can get health care for illegals. Now, they will say that that's not true, but it's all in the new ones. It's 100% true. So you're going to see that. you might even see that in community notes on on x twitter right that that's not true you i groked it the other day and they said it's not true well guess why it is true it's because it's it's all about how you label them in a legal immigrant yeah joe biden let in millions of

people put them on temporary protective status right and gave asylum claims to a bunch of them and they are able to now access ACA benefits subsidized by the american taxpayer we this is an email we just got uh from hush mail is so i think that's a person who is hiding their identity. She says, my daughter is a manager of a grocery store. She is genuine fear that if SNAP or EBT are unavailable next month, her workplace will be looted. Yeah, which is blackmail. I mean, it's just we're being blackmailed, but that's why the whole apparatus is completely messed up. Well, this is exactly what happened in George Floyd, too. We just got blackmailed that we couldn't have cops in the streets keeping us saved because

they were going to riot and burn things down. They also say, kudos to Alex for hanging out with us for a couple of Oh, thank you. I appreciate that. No, there's a blast and hopefully we can do this more. But this is where we do need to reform Snap and figure it out and put more regulation in place and just start getting people this context that we're importing people from all around the world to pick the pockets of tax-paying American citizens who are all squeezed right now, which was a lot of the topic last hour with Rich. Everyone's feeling squeezed and aside from the handful of people and that we don't have money for this stuff and we shouldn't. That said, is now the time to really say, oh, you know what, we're taking away the sugary sodas from people. I don't know politically now that's the move. I think the move now is to frame it up as the Democrats took your benefits because Chuck Schumer is going to get primary by AOC and is going to lose his leadership job. And that's why this is happening.

And any Democrat who's not telling you that is lying to you. Yeah, I mean, so we're getting, Felice is sending a screen grab of food stamps by ethnicity, 45.6. I think that's a similar version of that when we saw. I don't, unfortunately that's not verified. So a lot of you are going to see this graph. We actually have it. We could show it. I don't mind showing it. But we just with the caveat that we can't verify independently that it's true. But, you know, the allegation is essentially that 45.6% of Afghan refugees or refugees is immigrants. I think it's just by Afghan ethnic origin. Ethnic origin, 42% of Somalis, 34.8% of Iraqis, and 23.3% of Haitians are on food stamps.

And to your point, we can't verify it, but as you said, Blake, it feels directionally true. It is almost certainly directionally accurate. Somalis are very high. Well, if you check every other program that we have numbers on, the usage rate among Somalis is extremely high. So the Somali population is extremely good at

at least one thing. And I would presume a few other things. But they are good at working the system, exploiting the system, and defrauding the system. Well, they're very, what you will see, what Americans are going to become more and more of aware of as the years go by is that if you have relatively closed off, you know, separate communities in America that don't speak a ton of English, mostly interact among themselves, they can be very, very good at collectively. getting a lot of money out of the system. Yeah. And so what we've seen, this has been broken up repeatedly.

Let's just use the Somali community as an example. The Somali community has an extra, they've been caught where they're having these clinics that diagnose kids with things like autism at a super high rate because you can get money for that. Or the feeding our future scam. That was one, I think, like white Lutheran woman at the top of it, and then this gigantic apparatus of people where they were scamming the COVID aid system from Minnesota and the,

federal government by giving these fake meals to people who didn't exist. And dozens and dozens of people get involved in these scams. And with other communities, if you're in a kind of what you'd say maybe ordinary, wider American community, it's difficult to pull off a scam of that size because other people just kind of go to the police about it and stuff. But when you're in a closed community that operates mostly under its own rules, they often don't talk to police, they don't interact with wider society, they are both more willing to try to exploit the system and they get away with it more easily. There's just there's not a lot of ways to break it apart. And the Democrats see this is political opportunity because they're better at moving the blocks. We're trying to move

individuals, one person at a time, freedom. That's what we're all about. And this has been a weakness for us over the years because the Democrats, they see what Blake's talking about. They see that's a whole block of people. We're to get them all. We're going to get all of them. And that's part of the system that we got. Yeah, I know. I think that's right. And, And I think that, you know, who's been good at moving blocks, actually, is President Trump. And so, you know, you might get frustrated with Trump or his messaging or whatever. I mean, the truth is is that we have not proven that aside from President Trump, we can move blocks of people in any way. I want to read another one because we want to acknowledge.

There's different perspectives. So we got another email. So she says, we, I assume maybe herself and her husband, we are seniors living on our Social Security check, hand to mouth with the snap benefit. There are no jobs for us. They're elderly. We'll be eating once a day now, if that. I can't believe my president is allowing this to happen. I voted for Trump three times, and I wear a turning point MAGA hat.

How is this happening in America? And that's also a real question. There are a lot of people who have struggled very mightily through the changes that have happened to America. Well, there's another one from Jamie says, I appreciate the conversation with Barris. I'm here in New Jersey, go Chittarelli. And between groceries, electric, and taxes, there are some months where we have $5 left in our bank account. Savings are gone and $16,000 in debt. We desperately need prices to go down.

I would love to hear a plan from Trump addressing this and how to start producing more in our country, especially when it comes to meat producers. Listen, there's no way around it when it comes to health care. People are really frustrated with how much it costs and how to pay for it. The usual ways we've been doing this have only gotten more expensive, more complicated, and honestly just aggravating. And that's why Medashear is such a welcome relief. It's called health care sharing. It's different and it really works. More than a million Americans are now doing this.

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using WIC, often those in the military. I'm not sure which one that is for. I'm not super alert on my benefits abbreviations. She says people using EBT card could request cash, often because they needed to get their hair or nails done. They could be given cash

for their EBT card. I don't know if this is the law or just a policy at Stop and Shop in New York, but it seems wrong. Thank you so much for carrying on for Charlie. Thank you, Marlene. We're getting a lot of varied takes from people, which I think. Okay, so it's WIC, the Special Supplement Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children. Okay.

They may find themselves without benefits as well as a part of them. Yeah, these are real risks. Josh Hawley was out there today with the big piece saying that we need to just restore all of it right away in a one-off bill, which Senator Thune doesn't want to do any of that because he thinks that it's just going to open up Pandora's box of everyone having their pet project come to the four. But Holly is really interesting political instincts because he's operating in a space as really purely populist Republican side. And he's a good bellwether for a real core part of the base. We're talking about moving blocks of voters. He's speaking to a very serious block of voters who are disenfranchised by a lot of people in this country. And so I think

it's very noteworthy that it's hilarious to watch the TikToks and we know there's going to be looting. And it's reading the data just offends anyone with the brain. But, But there really are people who have come to rely on it, and Yankee in a way is not a small thing. Well, it's also politically fraught. Yeah, that's right. This is the, of course we want to reform snaps that only people that are Americans that need it, that are actually, just like this elderly couple that you read the email from, get the benefits. But politically in the short term, I think we have to. In general, it is a real concern that the dependency of the United States has gone up.

And it doesn't necessarily mean that no one is deserving. of it or no one needs it, but there has been a pattern over time that more Americans have gotten hooked on some degree of government money. I mean, this has even come up with these Obamacare subsidies. A lot of these, I think, aren't a lot of these just subsidies they passed during COVID? And then now, oh, it turns out we need them forever because people are hooked on them now. And they do that for a lot of different things. That's a great point. That's a very, very good point. But it is distinct from the working poor. And this can get really bad. We've covered places like South Africa. And in countries like South Africa,

only 10% of the population pays any taxes and everyone else is a dependent. Blake, why don't we, you got 185? Yeah, yeah. Let's put up 185. We were discussing SNAP and this is a chart that Danny sent to us, but it's the annual spending just on SNAP benefits in billions. What's that big spike there, Blake? It's a big spike in the year 2020.

I don't, man. What happened in 2020? My mind's drawing a blank. Well, this is such a good point. I mean, there's so much about government spending to Blake's earlier point that once you unleash the subsidy once you unleash the welfare once you unleash the spending it never comes back down it's it's like a drug addiction and you know i think one thing we can say about this is this whole display of people freaking out that snap might be suspended for a week maybe or a you know a few

weeks it does show even if you don't act dramatically now you do need to you need to see it as a crisis long term that there is a very high level of dependency built into the american people and this took time to build up. You can read when they were first expanding the great society under LBJ. America had different cultural norms. It was considered very disgraceful to be on the dole. So people would, even people who were qualified would resist going on food stamps. They were still literal food stamps back in those days. And they would resist it. And it was difficult to expand these programs. And now it's become much more pattern of almost, you know, I got mine, you know, the people who will try to get their cut of a big pile of federal

money, whether that, and that's not just going to be in the form of food stamps, it's going to be in the form of Medicaid, which we expanded a lot under Obama, and they kept expanding it, and we were saying during the break that a lot of this fight now over Obamacare is a subsidy they added during COVID, and now it turns out we just can never get rid of it, because people have become dependent on that as well. And well, guys, you can look at the federal budget deficit, how much it goes. We're now averaging what, $1.5 trillion a year in that deficit. The debt only endlessly goes up all I will say is no nation I like history as Charlie knew no nation has ever just borrowed money endlessly and gotten away with it forever no no nation

period ever and that could be us and it reminds me it's charlie's when he started turning point I think the debt was it like something like 12 trillion 12 trillion and he was railing he was railing against it started and you know we tripled our national debt to get out of the great recession uh 18 years ago and can we triple it again to get out of another one? I'm skeptical of that. And no, I mean, it is a fiscal cliff that we are facing. And nobody ever wants to get serious about it because, you know,

we live in an unserious time where everybody just makes TikTok videos about how they're going to loot their local grocery store if they don't get Uncle Sam to sit. Now, I will, here's my one pushback, though, the economic populace side. And this is, again, we go back to the first thing that we talked about in the show, hour one is that you have a diversion you have a two two roads diverge in a wood right now you've got the maga national populism and you've got the mom donism right which is going to be grievance driven populism and because we have debased our currency because we have flooded the market with cheap money easy money because you have inflated especially during COVID the asset

valuations of the elite and the equity holding rich people in this country they got rich Sure, during COVID, right? The money that we flushed into the system just went straight to the top. And they got a lot of government handouts. Yes, and we made it easier for them to do this. So essentially, you've created the working poor and you've exacerbated their already precarious financial situation. And then you've inflated the asset prices of the rich, even just like people that own homes, right? Middle class, upper middle class, they're not necessarily rich, but what that did is it stretched the middle even further. it put more pressure on the middle. And so a lot of these people that are on SNAP benefits, it's kind of like, well, some of our economic policies that we've been pursuing, this massive

debt and deficit spending, have accentuated an already tenuous situation. I think that's on the money. And I think what's interesting here is that we're in a different media landscape where the Democrats would have won this fight about blaming on the Republicans, but now that the media's been so discredited. And they've never been less credible since the way they handled the assassination of Charlie Kirk. I think that may have been just the final dagger in the media and their credibility. And so because they might not be able to wrestle this narrative back for the Democrats,

the Republicans can exert maximum leverage say that we're not going to cave to your demands on this thing. You're going to have to take the blame for it. And the closer we get towards Thanksgiving, you might start seeing the Republicans say, well, we're not going to negotiate any CRs. We're going to do a much broader spending package

and you guys are going to have less negotiation leverage there with the Democrats. And they could find themselves having totally misplayed this. And we could just be a few weeks off from seeing something really pretty amazing. I actually love that glass app full take. But again, it all comes down to messaging that essentially this is the trade that the Democrats are doing.

They want to subsidize illegal health care so that American people can't afford groceries. That is the great exchange. That is the big messaging pivot that needs to happen. I think they're trying. I see some of the folks on social media like Mike Johnson and others are trying to make that point, but I don't know that it's getting through yet. It's not. But shows like ours, others can hopefully make that point for them.

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There's just like these ex-fews just break out, and they're pretty glorious to watch. And you are more than holding your own right now because you are going after a sacred cow of modernity in the West, and that is Islam, also food stamps. We could talk about that. We've been talking about on the show before you got on. But basically, there is a guy, for those who are not aware, named Medi Hassan. He's an uppity foreigner who's moved to this country and is now telling us what to do. and now he's going after guys like you, Matt,

and basically telling us that, hey, listen, the Muslim call to prayer is the same thing as church bells. And he's more American and more patriotic than Americans are. And we have opinions about that on the show. I know you have opinions about that, Matt. So maybe just let's start right there in this moment. We've got Mamdani on the rise in New York and Medea Sons

marching alongside him. Now the whole Democratic Party's coming alongside. What, diagnose our current moment and this, this, this, this, dynamic that is playing out right before our eyes. Yeah, well, I think, you know, Medi Hassan got, came onto my radar a couple of weeks ago because he was defending the idea that we should have a Muslim call to prayer and he said it's no different than church bells. Of course, you know, a Muslim called a prayer for one thing plays at five in the morning. I've never heard a church bell go off at five in the morning. But more importantly, a church bell is a, it's

Christian. It's a Christian church that is playing part of living in America because we are a Christian country. A Muslim call to prayer is not part of American culture. We are not a Muslim country. You can go to dozens of other countries on the planet to hear the Muslim call to prayer whenever you want to hear it, but that's not the case in our country. And the call to prayer is a public thing. It's like you are announcing this to the public, and that's not our culture. We're not in Muslim country. And so, you know, that's the point I wanted to make to them, even though we should also be clear about Medellan in particular that this is obviously on his own is a very inconsequential person.

He was, you know, he got fired from his MSNBC gig where I think I looked it up in his key demo. He was getting like 37,000 views an episode or something, so he got fired. No one's really paid attention to him. But the reason why it matters is because this is just one guy, but he's representative of a problem. And the problem are, you know, immigrants who come to this country and believe that we are, as Americans, it is our job. to assimilate to them rather than them assimilate to us. And this is the one thing that I think people have gotten wrong. I've gotten wrong because I've said in the past that, well, the problem is we have

immigrants who come here and they don't assimilate. They don't, you know, we've gotten rid of assimilation. The whole melting pot thing was a misnomer. It didn't happen. But that's not exactly correct because what's actually happened is you get these immigrants like Medellan, like Zohra and Mamdani, who come here. And they do believe in assimilation, but they think assimilation should go the other way. We should assimilate to them.

And in fact, Medi even said, I think his word, he said, well, I'm just as American as anyone else. Okay, you're a Muslim, you're an Indian Muslim who came here from the UK 10 years ago to work at Al Jazeera. And you're just as American as anyone else. You're just as American as an American whose family's been here for 200 years. Really, you're just as American as them. Does anyone believe that? No, nobody believes that. It's total nonsense.

And I think we're reaching a point now in our culture where people are standing up and saying, that because Americans are sick and tired of us. Well, absolutely. And by the way, Medi Hassan has now come after Charlie, you know, who's not with us to defend himself anymore. Go ahead and throw up 158 here. So this is Medi Hassan

basically quote tweeting DC Drano, who was showing an image of Charlie who was saying that it's not Islamophobic to notice that Muslims are coming into our country and demanding that we live according to their rules. and now they are going to rule over us because you even see this in the mayoral race in New York City where Cuomo is now being castigated for not visiting a Muslim mosque.

And so, so Hassan says, Medi Hassan says, a reminder of what a racist bigot Kirk was and how much hate he incited against minority. So now he's playing victims. See, this is like the rulebook, right? They come in, they take advantage of our generosity and our open society. And then they start playing victim because we start noticing that they're doing things that we don't like, and we call it out. Matt, what is your reaction to Medi Hassan calling Charlie Kirk a racist bigot? Well, I mean, it's pretty rich coming from someone who is himself, is himself legitimately a racist bigot. He's on the record many times. He hates white people. He hates Christians. He's just seething with hatred. And that's the only thing he brought to this country.

That's what he's, that is what he has offered to us as, as an immigrant. He's come here to bring us hatred, and hatred specifically for the people who actually built this country, because that's the other thing we should be clear about. Another thing that Medi has said is that, well, Muslims helped to build this country, Muslims built this country the same way that anyone else did. And that is just not true. You know, Islam had nothing to do with this country. Muslims contributed basically nothing to it whatsoever. They were here in very, very small numbers, up until actually after 9-11. People don't realize this, but, you know, the, the Muslim population in this country exploded and became substantial over the last 20 years. You know, prior to that, prior to 9-11, there was 500,000

and maybe a million Muslims. Now there's, what, four or five million? So this is how the country responded. This is how our government responded after 9-11. Not only was there not any campaign of persecution of Muslims after 9-11, despite what Zoroamam Dani has claimed, not only did that not happened, but the exact opposite happened, that the government bent over backwards to apologize to Muslims. I mean, George W. Bush, six days after 9-11, the rubble is still burning. He's out in front of the, you know, he's standing up there declaring that Islam is a religion of peace. And then we turned around and started importing Muslims in mass into this country. And what really gets me about it is, among other things, is just the lack of humility and gratitude.

When Zohan Mamdani gets up there and starts complaining, starts talking about how it's on, who apparently doesn't actually exist, was the real victim of 9-11. She felt uncomfortable wearing a jab on the train. No one even, nothing happened to her. She just felt uncomfortable wearing it. And so, and he's in tears of, 25 years later,

he's in tears about it still. He can barely even talk about it. But number one, that's a bogus story. But number two, where is your, where is your gratitude? to. You know, Muslims have been treated better in this country than white American Christians ever would be in a Muslim country. In fact, Muslims have been treated better in this country than they would be treated in most Muslim countries. And rather than ever getting a thank you, rather than the acknowledgement of that, all we get is this just constant accusations in blaming

and complaining. And like I said, I think Americans are. I think, I think that's actually the real thing is it's not even just that they're not grateful. I think it really is, It actually is a culture of genuine resentment. Like, it is resentment for how much better America is, how much better Christian society has been, than any Muslim country in history. It's not a coincidence that Medi Hassan's family chose to settle in the UK rather than any Muslim country.

It's not a coincidence that when he decided to leave the UK, he went to another Western, you know, historically Christian country rather than any Muslim country. That's not a coincidence. And then especially it's, it really is, like, culture of resentment that Mamdani can come to this country, which let in a ton of people like him, after

9-11, and then his platform is guilt-tripping you because his abuela or whatever relative relation decides to call her. Because with round people, all cousins are anties. And also just, like, his plan, which I think has not been highlighted nearly

as much as it should. His explicit policy plan is he wants to up taxes on white neighborhoods. He'll just put that in his thing. Wider neighborhoods should pay more money so I can funnel to people like me who are aggrieved at America for the sin of letting us in. But it is pretty amazing that they tried to create this new standard that Christians and Jews who have been mayor of New York running for mayor of New York, that they don't go to enough mosques. Like that would be a standard for being a good mayor. It's not that you're free to practice

Islam in New York City. It's that you have to be a great mayor. You have to go to mosque all the time. They've tried to pull that over on us and Matt Cotton, which is great. If I ever go to a mosque for any reason other than as a tourist? So I won't do that, but point made. Matt, so you are highlighting something, though, that this is really a failure of our elites in our immigration policy. You tweeted here 167, one in five New Yorkers can't speak the English language. 40% were not born in this country. New York is not an American city anymore. I think this is what we need to really fix our eyes on, that this is ultimately a failure of our immigration policies. We should not, as millennials, I think everybody's basically a millennial on this panel right now. We should

not be forced to be even having this debate. This is a world that we inherited because our elites failed to protect our country against people that don't like us and are allowed to move here, Matt Walsh. Yeah, people who don't like us and in many cases have not come to contribute anything but have come instead to live off of the labor of actual Americans, to live off of the fruits of trees that they didn't plant. And that's one of the key differences between immigrants today, not all of them, but one of the key differences between immigration in general today, as opposed to 100 years ago or 200 years ago.

Because one thing about that, you know, I pointed out that 40% weren't born in this country, 20% don't speak English. There were a bunch of responses, of course, from leftists saying, well, I got you this time because, you know, Did you know 100 years ago, there were even more people as a percentage who didn't speak English? That's the claim. And even if that's, let's just pretend that that's true. Let's just say for the sake of argument, that's true.

Well, that is, again, the left failing to understand or pretending at least they don't understand the key difference, the difference in kind between immigration today and immigration back in the earlier years of this country. Okay, because back 100 years ago, 200 years ago, people were coming to this country. First of all, this was not an influx of third-worlders coming into this country. That's that difference number one. Difference number two is related to that. These were people 100 years ago, 150, 200 years ago who were coming here to actually help build the country. They were coming, we were still in, you know, coming in on the ground floor to help build this country.

These were like a pioneer spirit, settlers, right, who were coming. And that's not the case anymore because this country is settled. It's built. And so now you have immigrants coming from the third world who, rather than coming to build anything, are coming to live in what has already been built, coming to take advantage of what has already been done, coming to be fed by us. And that is obviously a huge difference that I think any thinking person can see. And fundamentally transform it. It's not just this is the whole point. They're accelerating.

We all reject diversity as our strength. Okay. But think of it from the negative. conserving what we have is our weakness. That's their view, is that we conserve what America's all about, our traditional values, Judeo-Christian values. That's a weakness. That's how they see it.

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Once again, let's go ahead and play cut 186. This is Charlie on how Islam is impacting the country, 186. You look at Europe, the Islamist invasion brought to you by the secular humanist European technocratic elites is making Europe worse. It's making Europe dirtier. It's making Europe less safe. It has no cultural identity. It's decaying and collapsing as a nation. There's no European identity left whatsoever.

And the worst part of it is that it's invited. Islamism has a tendency to take over and metastasize like a cancer. Immigration without assimilation is invasion. And Islam does not assimilate. Islam conquers. Islam takes over. Islam devours. Islam is an imperialistic parasitic ideology.

Islam views itself as a conquer. You have to pray five times a day, pointing towards a separate nation, pledging fealty to another nation. Islam's own self-story is that we will take you over. It's totalitarianism, masked as a religion. It's one of my favorite riffs from Charlie. Matt Walsh, your reaction to what we just heard from Charlie. Well, as usually, hit the nail on the head, and we need to start speaking about it in those kinds of, in those kinds of of strong terms because, yeah, that's the thing.

I used to myself, I've admitted this before, that when I would hear conservatives worry about things like Sharia law coming to the United States, I used to think, well, I'm not as worried about that because we have leftism. Like, leftists are the opposite of Sharia law. But it turns out

that that concern is completely legitimate because, of course, obviously it's going to come as Charlie pointed out through mass migration. And these are people who are not, they're just not interested in assimilation, which is another key difference between immigration today and immigration 10050 years ago, 150 years ago. There's no interest in assimilating into an American identity.

In fact, these are people that reject that America even has an identity to the extent that they acknowledge an American identity, they hate it. And so what do you end up with when you bring people like that into this country? You end up with chaos. Does anyone, here's the question you have to ask yourself as an American. Does anyone want to live in a country that is more like the Middle East? Do you consider it improve it? The more we resemble the Middle East, Is that an improvement? And I think every single American, every single one would say no. Apparently, a lot of Muslims feel that way because they don't move to those countries.

Yeah, there are 50 plus Muslim majority nations on the planet, 50 plus. And for whatever reason, they want to move to the Western nations. I think we could speculate. I don't think it's actually very speculative, why they want to choose Western nations. Obviously, it's a quality of life. Let's fix it on that because it actually is not speculation. we have when they were building one of those Islamic centers in

I think it was the one in Michigan where they were gloating about the fact oh we can build roads and have them named after great Islamic conquerors they are quite aware that they are in a rising demographic tide they brag about the fact that they are growing and growing and growing

and gradually taking over these countries they do this publicly we don't need to beat around the bush for it so this is an email Matt and maybe you can respond to it this is from David says as a Muslim the call to prayer should be programmed on their cell phones. Remember, they receive free cell phones from Obama. Once it's time for call to prayer, it goes to their cell phones. This is America. Every religion is welcome. And he says, P.S., why are so many Arabs in America who destroyed all the countries in the Middle East?

That is an argument that you will hear often, right? You will hear that we invaded, and so now we have to invite. We invaded and ruined their countries. We bombed Iraq or whatever. So now this is just the reaction to the action. what's your reaction to that well it's like it's it's a kind of a reparations argument that's the argument they're making you know it to me you you you are you're surrendering the argument if if you you know the argument you should the only argument that could possibly be compelling to me for why we should accept mass migration from any part of the world is if you can say well no we should do this because this is going to help americans and make life better for americans people will live here it's going to it's actually going to improve america and so that's why

we should do it and if you're not even making that argument if instead you're doing some reparations nonsense about we owe it to them because we invaded well it's like that's not even that's that's you're not getting past uh you're not getting past step one on that one it's not even an argument because by the way i'm very much against i'm very much opposed to wars of intervention uh i'm again i you know i'm i'm against all that and i wish we hadn't done pretty much any of it but uh by the way like no we we didn't do that i didn't do that my My children didn't do that. My neighbors down the street didn't do that.

You know, if you live in a town in Michigan where that now has become little Mecca, and you got the call to prayer and streets being named after, you know, Muslims, you didn't, you didn't do any of that. We, we, so what is this we stuff? So we, so it is our, we have to now pay the price. We have to give up our national identity and our national sovereignty to pay for the sins of George Bush. And meanwhile, George Bush is fine. You know, he's living in a place where there's, you know, there are no third world immigrants.

He doesn't have to worry about that. So, no, we didn't do that. And that's not something that we have to pay for. And again, that's not the kind of argument that you should be making. The only compelling argument you could possibly make is to somehow indicate to us how this helps America and you can't. Matt, where do you think in the timeline liberals started to be comfortable with, totalitarians just so long as they came from the third world because it seemed like the liberals were the ones who were going to guard us in terms of freedom, the ability to have women do whatever

they want, even if it's not good for them, all that stuff. And then now we're here. And it just feels like we got there pretty fast. Yeah, it is. Well, we know that the left, I think as everyone knows, the left has been totalitarian this entire time. They don't, you know, they believe that we have the right to do whatever they, whatever they say. We have the right to live according to, you how they want. We have the right to adopt beliefs that they believe. And so those are the only rights that they actually recognize. Now, it is true. So they always have had that totalitarian streak, and maybe that's the answer. Now, it is true, of course, that they're importing these third-worlders who are a very different kind of totalitarian and who want to impose a lifestyle

that in many cases completely contradicts the lifestyle the left wants to foist on us. And so it's very strange bedfellows. But I think ultimately, the leftists, they, What do they hate the most? They hate white people. They hate Christians. They hate Christendom. And so, you know, the enemies of my enemies. That's the way they look at it.

Matt, Matt, what's your world's foremost expert on the trans contagion? What's the trans population like in some of these Arab countries that we're talking about? I would guess it's about 1.3. I think maybe one person and a third of another one. Not many. And, you know, famously, the whole LGBT alphabet soup, they don't fare too well in these countries, I'm told. We got an email from Michael, and he says, gentlemen, Islamophobia is a composite term based on the grief word phobia, meaning irrational fear of something that has no cause. There are significant problems with this terminology, and I agree.

It's not irrational to fear someone who said they will kill you for your faith. I have to say it's a really good point. Matt, final 30 seconds here. Islamophobia a real thing? No, it's not real. For the reason you just said, there's nothing irrational. And by the way, it's not, for me, it's not, it's not even fear either. This is not about being afraid to, at least not afraid for myself. I'm afraid for my country.

I'm afraid for my children. But there's nothing irrational about it. We're just looking at what these people believe and what they do, and we're drawing logical conclusions. The crime of noticing, according to the liberal, is the crime of being a racist bigot, racist. as Charlie used to always say. Matt Walsh, host of the Matt Walsh Show, great American. I appreciate you making the time for us today, my friend. Thanks a lot, guys. Appreciate it. Take care. Alex Marlowe. It's also been a pleasure. Thank you much.

It's been really nice. Nice to see you, gentlemen, in person. We'll see you tomorrow here at the Charlie Kirk Show. God bless Charlie Kirk.