The Charlie Kirk Show - Have You Ever Seen A Happy Trans Person?

Episode Date: May 9, 2025

Is transgenderism "self-expression?" Should we get rid of tax cuts to spend more money on Medicaid and school lunches? Why is it so important that conservatives not go along with "preferred pronouns?" Charlie answers a whole host of combative questions during his campus stop at the University of Florida. Watch ad-free on members.charliekirk.com! Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Nice dress, by the way. Thanks. Yeah, thanks. Why don't you tell me first, you're obviously a biological male, right? Yes. So explain the whole ensemble here. Oh, like what I'm, you don't like it? Actually, I said I liked it. I think I can, I think I pull it off. No, I'm just having fun, man. I, You might not believe me, but I'm a straight, heterosexual, cis man. Cis is short for cisgender. I'm just using slang. Yeah, and I just wanted to come on here. It's maybe not just for you, but I just wanted to say that there's a lot of hatred on gay people, on trans people. And there's a lot of legislation that's going

against it. And I want to know where you stand as a conservative. Okay, let's start with a very basic moral question. You as a biological male, should you be allowed to compete against females in sports? No, I shouldn't. Okay, should men be able to compete against females in sports? No, I don't think men should go against women. Okay, we agree. So that's a lot of the legislation that's passing currently.

No, that's not true. No, it is. I mean, it's... No, it's... Well, hold on. Because I think men... 21 states have passed those laws, and it's also now the president signed an executive order saying no men in female sports. Well, but there's trans females that are being denied.

Oh, so what is a trans female? People didn't like that. No, what is a trans female? You're right. That's the wrong term. Trans women. What is a trans woman? I think it's someone who was born male and now they identify as female.

All right, bro. Chill out. It's not that deep. They are a man. No, they're not. At what point. Chill out. It's not that deep. They are a man, but at what point... No, they're not. At what point do they become... Like, you're being...

It's not that deep. I want you to educate the audience and me. Yeah. At what point do they become a woman? When they say they are. I think it's...

I think... Okay, listen, listen. I think what's getting confused here is the distinction between gender and sex. Like, there's... I think there's a real distinction. Gender is in the mind.

Gender is real. You can dress, you can say you're whatever you want. If gender is in the mind, then why do people need to chop off their breasts if it's just a mind thing? If they want to. It's because they feel like they want to. I think it's not that deep.

But I thought it's just a brain thing. Why does it have to involve a body thing? Well, maybe their brain says they want to. It's because they feel like they want to. I think it's not that deep. But I thought it's just a brain thing. Why does it have to involve a body thing? Well, maybe their brain says they want to. It's like, I don't think it's that deep. Yeah. Got it. So then anybody at any point can become a woman in your estimate? Yeah, I think so.

You can just say you are, and then I would say you are. It's a gender identity. I think that's how I think it works. Right. So gender and sex. Yeah. Our opinion is there are zero genders. It's a concept that doesn't exist.

There are two sexes and unlimited personalities. So what you're conflating is personality with gender. Gender is a term that was started by John Money that has no medical or clinical value whatsoever. There are two sexes. That's it. It's binary. It's absolute. But I just want to make sure I'm clear.

So you as an offensive lineman-looking individual. I'm a big guy, I know. Yeah, I know, a big guy, yes. There's nothing morally wrong with you going and, let's just say, competing in a weightlifting competition with the women's sports of University of Florida if you say you're a woman. There's nothing wrong with that. Well, no, I would say there is, yeah. Because I think, because when you're

identifying as a woman, there's processes you take towards that. I mean, it's very easy to differentiate. But hold on, you said all it takes is for someone to say they're a woman. What about, why is it a process? You said it's just a declaration. Yeah. So what is the process? But I'm not saying I'm a woman. No, I didn't say that.

But inform me about the process because I thought you said it was just a declaration. I'm a woman. Yeah, I mean, you can pretty easily tell that someone's going out. I don't know if it's ever been documented, but someone that's going out to women's sports to specifically compete and just say,

oh, yeah, I'm trans. I'm not sure that would be shut down. No, actually, it isn't. We have 900 document examples. We have William Thomas, who won the NCAA Swimming Championship against Riley Gaines. Yeah, but that's a trans woman, right? Or a trans man. I don't really know where your angle is right now.

It's a biological man who was born a man and is a man who, like you, was dressing up like a woman, but isn't a woman. Isn't that going is not going against like free speech i mean because you can you can present yourself however you want okay so let me ask you another moral question i don't think it's that deep um are you are if someone who says they are a woman should they be allowed to walk into the woman's locker room yeah i think that's fine i like if they if they identify as a woman, I mean, I don't think I don't I don't think it's that deep. I mean, well, so what's your what's your angle against it? Well, that men and women are distinct and perverts have

no places in locker rooms. But I don't think listen listen, I don't think trans people are perverts. And I would say if someone is a pervert, listen, if a man is a real true predator, will not turn trans and say, oh, I'm a woman now, to go into a women's bathroom. Well, actually, the clinical data shows that men-to-woman transitions,

which don't exist, is something called autogynephilia. Do you know what autogynephilia is? No idea. That's a big word. It's men that get sexual pleasure of dressing up like women and being around women. Oh, okay. Well, all right. Okay.

All right. That's crazy. That's crazy. You can look it up. It's a clinical term called autogynephilia. It is the number one. It's the biggest driver of transgenderism. However, I do want to get to. You can look it up. It's a clinical term called autogynephilia. It is the number one. It's the biggest driver of transgenderism. However, I do want to get to root causes, though,

because we keep on using this word. So what is a woman? Dude, I don't know. That one's hard. I know. Dude, that's your line. And I think that's hard to say, man. I don't know.

What do you think is a woman? Well, a woman is an adult female with XX chromosomes. It's your line. And I think that's hard to say, man. I don't know. What do you think is a woman? Well, a woman is an adult female with XX chromosomes. It's not difficult, right? I disagree. I don't think so. But if you disagree, why? But then what is your alternative? Oh, I don't know.

I just... So you disagree without an alternative? Yeah. Yeah, okay. Well, I mean, I think that's a fair thing to say. But you disagree, but you must have some opinion. What is your opinion of what a woman is? I really don't know. I think that's a fair thing to say. But you disagree, but you must have some opinion. What is your opinion of what a woman is? I really don't know.

I think it's a gender. I think it's a gender more than a sex. I think sex is female, and then woman is like gender. Yeah. That's what I would say. So you've heard me talk about Patriot Mobile for a while now. You probably already know that for years, they've stood in the gap for every American that believes that freedom is worth fighting for. They are the real deal. So if you switch to Patriot Mobile, look, it's very simple. It's

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there's a lot of procedures that go into being transgender that aren't permanent. And I think those are totally fine. I think if an 11 year old says, hey, I think an 11 year old boy says, hey, I think I'm a girl and they want to dress up like a girl to go to school. I don't think that's that's not a reversible thing. I think that's totally fine. Yeah. If an 11 year old wants to chop off their arms, should we say fine? Chop off their arms? No, I think that's pretty bad. That's interesting. Yeah. But ifold wants to chop off their arms, should we say fine? Chop off their arms? No, I think that's pretty bad. That's interesting. Yeah. But if they want to chop off their breasts, cool.

No, I think going, that's a, first of all, that's a far leap. Like, that's a procedure other than just chopping off your breasts. I do think going through the actual surgery, that's really far. You know, that doesn't have to occur early stage. If someone's transgender, there's so much more than physically chopping off your body parts. A lot of it is just self-expression.

So if an 11-year-old says, I'm going to chop off my body parts, yeah, I would say they can't really do that. Let's wait a little later. At some point, parents should come in and say, don't do it. Parents should be parents. That's what parents are for. At some point, parents should come in and say, don't do it. Parents should be parents. That's what parents are for.

Yeah, I agree. Should 14-year-olds be able to get tattoos? No, I think that's a permanent change. Got it. But if puberty blockers— I guess it's not necessarily permanent. But puberty blockers will stop puberty almost permanently. They can't get to sexual climax.

Now, is it permanent? Because I'm not sure. The data is showing, yes, it is permanent. Here's my angle. If it's permanent, I'm not sure. I don't know. Yes, it is permanent. Here's my angle. If it's permanent, I think it should be waited until later on. If it's not permanent, then it's whatever. And I think that's where it comes from. It is permanent, irreversible damage.

Sure. I have no idea. I really don't know. And so you said something earlier, which you said there's a lot of hate towards trans people. Yeah, yeah. Has anything I've said here hateful? Yeah, I would say a little bit. At least I felt like it was at the very least rude.

So explain, because everything I've said is very factual and truthful. I want to know why we should— I think one thing you said—I'm taking really long. But one thing that you said that I feel like could have been seen as rude was when you mentioned bathrooms and you just essentially called all trans people perverts. I think that's pretty hateful. I said if you are a man going into a woman's locker room, you absolutely are a pervert. Okay, but if you identify as a woman...

It doesn't matter if you identify. You could identify as a rhinoceros or a gator or an elephant. Now we're back to disagreements on what is being a woman. No, but it's not a disagreement. I would say it is. I'm living in reality. You are wearing a dress.'re in like completely different worlds right okay you you started this complimenting my dress and i think you don't like it well i'm starting to feel a little bit i'm starting to feel a little bit hurt right now you you can feel whatever you can feel whatever you'd

like i do think though that it's it's it's interesting and i'll just close with this which is that a civilization that can't define very basic biological terms and stay close to them is a civilization in moral chaos. And we are experiencing that with both our kids, both with biological standards, and, of course, with women's sports. 900 awards, medals, and sporting events have been taken from women, not to mention the women that have to undress next to biological men. And I guess that is a fair question. Should there be female sports at all? Yeah, I think that's fine. But what I was going to get back to,

I just think that it's just like how I was saying, you're part of the problem, I think, with the hatred on trans people. It's really not that deep. Like, if someone wants to dress up however they want, that's totally fine. Okay, so I'm not preventing you from dressing up like this. I know you're not. However, let me ask you a question. I will flush this out.

So let's pretend you say you are a woman. Yeah, yeah, let's pretend. I know you are a man, but I refuse to call you a woman. Okay. Who's the hateful one? I would say you are. So you're going to force me and shame me. I'm not forcing you to do anything, man.

I'm the hateful one to shame me into saying something that is biologically. I'm not shaming you either. No, you said I'm hateful. Of course that's shaming. Yeah, it's just kind of rude. It's really just like common courtesy. No, no, no. Let me be clear. can you identify as a woman and you don't, I mean, is it that much effort? It is never common courtesy to lie.

It's not lying. It is never common courtesy to go up against reality. You do not become a thing just because you say it, you are the thing. And guess what? Nobody in the history of the species that was born XX or born XY and transitioned is able to change their chromosomes. Every one of your cells is coded either XX or XY. And it is an insult to women everywhere in this audience and across the country that's saying that you could just have wear makeup and dress like a woman, undergo surgery, that you magically become a woman. And it is the abolition of women and is the abolition of reality.

And with it, we see great unjust human suffering because of it. I really don't see that point. But I think we're getting to the point where we straight up disagree. And I don't know how to get there. I wouldn't even say that we agree to disagree. I'm not agreeing to disagree. But what we're saying, though, is that we have two different perceptions of reality and that's a very important thing versus disagreement no it's that disagreement is that we have two different

opinions perspectives yeah two two opinions two perspectives but we don't have two different opinions which is that i believe a is a and i believe that gravity is real you are living in you're living in a concept that is completely abstract and theoretical and does not apply to any other material science. I don't think that's true, man. I think, like I said, it's in the mind. It really is in your head. Okay, but if that were to be true, can somebody say they are black? No, no, I wouldn't say so.

Why not? It's in the mind. It's not. Race isn't in the mind. Hold on a second. I mean, why not? How is race and gender different? Can someone say they're rich? It's in the mind. Can someone say they're old? Can I say that I'm 14 years old? No, I don't think so.

Why? It's in the mind. But it's not. But why is it that gender's in the mind, but race or how rich you are, how old you are is not in the mind? Well, I think they're different. How? Prove it. They're all actually in the mind. They're all mindsets. They're all psychologies, aren't they?

I just don't think so. I disagree. What in your cell says you're white or black? Actually, nothing. But something in your cells? I think so. Actually, no, it's not true. What in your cells actually says you're XX or XY?

A lot. Your whole cell. Yeah, but that's, again, going back to sex, not gender. Gender doesn't exist. And that's where the disagreement comes. I think you're wrong. You are living under a multi-decade propaganda spree from John Money. Multi-decade.

All right, man. That's all right. Are we good? Do you have anything else to say? No, I mean, again, I get asked by Democrats all the time, Charlie, why did we lose the election? Thank you. Okay, all right. Because we don't dress up in dresses and go to events like this.

I feel, okay, now I think you're just a liar. You said you liked my dress. All right, I'm good to go. Thank you. Did I earn a hat? Did I earn a hat? Really? No. Oh, my God.

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and paranoia about these culture issues, and their actual policy and economic agenda is devastating for the middle and working class and Americans. There is nothing that the Republican budget proposal right now is going to do to benefit working-class Americans. They're passing tax cuts that are going to add $4.5 trillion to the debt over the next 10 years. Tax cuts are going to save the economy. Since 2000, we've passed tax cuts four separate times, five of which include the recent budget proposal, to the tune of $11.5 trillion. It's not going to save the economy then. If it was going to, it would have done it a few trillion dollars ago. What we could have invested for the Republican tax cuts, just the recent one,

is funding universal child lunch over 10 times, which is the cheapest way to improve test scores. We could have increased funding for Medicare to improve American's health. We could have provided paid family medical leave. We could have provided universal child care over 15 times over to increase the participation of working mothers in the workforce. If you look at where we're spending the money on tax cuts, we could significantly be uplifting the working class. And Republicans just aren't doing that. They just want to give handouts to rich people. So in any world, why should we vote for them other than, oh, they make me scared about trans people? Yeah. So you say it's paranoia about trans people.

Is it paranoia when moms are concerned that their daughters have to change next to men in locker rooms? Okay, where do we draw the line? Because I think women would— No, to answer the question. Okay. No, it requires a little bit of nuance. Okay, so I think trans men and women, like a woman with her daughter, would feel a lot more comfortable with a trans woman that's undergone a vaginoplasty than a trans guy that has a dick, even though he has XX chromosomes.

So where do we draw the line? Because that's like a valid distinction we have to make. What? I'm sorry. Okay, trans men get phalloplasty. They have dicks. Should they be in the locker room with women? First of all, there's no such thing as trans men or trans women.

There are men or women. So you mean fake men. So you mean women. Okay, we can agree to disagree on that. No, there's not agree or disagree. Because you have to then prove the point. At what point does a human being... I don't think the semantics of the argument matter to the core.

So you can keep going. Well, it does matter. But I'm saying, it's not paranoia about trans people. It's very simple. And I'll get into the economics because it's a fair question. We'll get into that. I am interested, though. Is there anything disturbing to you about biological men winning championship after championship, stealing medals from women?

Does that bother you? Okay, so the most high-profile transgender woman that competed in NCAA sports. There are 12 right now. Okay? You brought her up. It's Leah Thomas. She got fifth. She was a good swimmer before.

She was a good actor. William Thomas won the national championship. What's her legal name? William Thomas. I call her Leah. That's how she goes by? A lot of people have nicknames? I don't recognize.

You can respect that. How about Thomas? We'll call him Thomas. Okay, sure. Thomas. So the most high-profile one was actually the Olympics with the Paris boxer of this woman. She wasn't trans. Oh, yes, she was.

No, she wasn't. Oh, yes, she was. You haven't seen the latest report. It came out that it was a biological man that went and beat up on this poor woman. The Olympics audits these people that woman was not trans. And that's part of the problem. A lot of this fear and paranoia. Algeria has come out and has admitted it.

See, you're dealing in a different factual universe. But I just want to be clear, though. It's a very simple question. Can we at least agree, no more men in women's sports? Can we just say we're done with that? Can we at least agree on that? No. No.

No. No. I think the governing bodies of these sports should take reasonable precautions to like... It's not like these transgender women are just showing... I mean, you understand, like, I want... Can I finish? You understand we're going to win every election. It's actually good for us that you guys are this insane.

Okay, but it's not simple. There's like a lot of nuance to this debate, and I'd like if I could answer your question. There is no nuance. Explain the nuance, though. Okay, I will. Okay, so it's not like these transgender women are just showing up in sports and being like, actually, I'm a woman now, and I want to go break all these records. No, it's exactly how it works.

No, okay. Within six to nine months, they're self-declaring as a woman. Can I finish? So the Olympic body has very strict governing standards on the amount of testosterone and the amount of time you've been on hormone replacement therapy to reduce your levels of testosterone, that's the performance enhancer for these sports, to natural levels of women.

Whether or not that provides an advantage or not is up to the governing bodies. I do think there should be research into that. But say a blanket ban on people who might have been taking puberty blockers since they were 12 and then go on to progress and actually know you're not allowed to participate in women's sports. There doesn't really seem to be an argument for that, does there? Of course there is.

Why? Well, you haven't gone through puberty. Hold on a second. You developed as a woman. You never got the boost from testosterone. What do you mean developed? What's the performance advantage? What do you mean developed as a woman?

You still have more. Do you understand? Just a refresher. I don't know if you know this, but men, XY chromosomes, tend to be 30% taller. They tend to have twice as much muscle mass, nearly three times as much bone density, more lung capacity, almost every possible structural advantage in sports that you. By the way, I can't believe I have to tell you this. It's so obvious just looking at nature. I just want everyone to go back in your memory.

Do you remember in the Olympics where that poor French woman, her whole Italian woman was all about boxing and she just got beat up for 80 seconds? That was a fake woman. It was a biological man. It was on display for billions of people. We as conservatives think that's wrong. Why can't Democrats join us in saying it's wrong and we just close the chapter on this atrocity? You are missing a very important fact about the differences in physical capabilities between men and women and that most of them develop before puberty.

As puberty is going on, when the male body gets a lot of testosterone, so if you develop and you take puberty blockers and then when you're 18 you take estrogen you develop as a woman you won't get those physical advantages first of all you're wrong it doesn't impact height it doesn't impact lung capacity it doesn't impact bone density it might impact testosterone and it might impact totally it's a testosterone blocker this is this is the kicker though because you made my argument for me which is is amazing. You said there's only 12, quote-unquote, trans athletes in NCAA. In the NCAA, yes. And yet we know, like, three of them. Why?

Because they end up winning all the awards. Because you guys are obsessed with them. No, because there's so few of them that they win all the championships. Leah Thomas got fifth. How does that work? The volleyball player wasn't even— At San Jose State, that hospitalized a girl. A girl got hospitalized because of her.

We look at her speed on her serves and her spikes they're not significantly faster than the average woman she's not playing for a significantly competitive school you're acting like these people women are you understand the gift that democrats are giving us like this is a 90 10 issue you guys are so look up the san jose volleyball raking i i'm really aware of that incident for like three years someone do it i'm actually aware of that incident. Because she's been on the team for like three years. Someone do it. I'm actually aware of that issue and that incident. But no, it's just I want you guys to not give us this political gift. It's a very middling volleyball team. And like competitive sports is very competitive.

Like NCAA sports is very competitive. But it's not like she's dominating and you guys are acting like she is. She literally is dominating. Charlie Kirk here. When faced with a threat, you might think of lethal force, but consider a less lethal option like Burna to avoid legal issues tied to firearms. As a strong advocate for the right to bear arms, I value diverse defensive options, and Burna offers an effective alternative.

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to find more common agreement should we should we agree that 14 year olds should not be able to get gender affirming care no you think they should absolutely not i yeah i think they do are you are you the society of pediatric endocrinologists are you the Society of Pediatric Endocrinologists? Are you the AMA? Because they disagree with you. You're not a doctor, and the medical literature disagrees with you. First of all, the AMA and the medical literature is completely corrupted. They have destroyed thousands of lives. And just because you don't have the title doctor does not mean that you can't see which doctor practices from afar. There is no medicinal value of giving a 14-year-old girl who might be going through a phase,

who's probably going through puberty anxiety, irreversible drugs like Lupron and breast removal surgery, and saying that this is all about gender-affirming care. Do you know what those girls need? So no one in the United States under the age of 16 gets breast reduction surgery. They do have access to hormones. And there are medical benefits to that, primarily the decrease in anxiety and suicidality. First of all, that's been disproven in the CAS report.

The CAS report? I'm so happy you brought that up, actually, because the CAS report is ignoring a lot of high-quality studies. The methodology they use is excluding a lot of pediatric studies. I don't want to pick on you, but you've got to explain to me, what is a woman?

A woman? Okay. Let's be clear. Language is a device we use to express thoughts. If I had XX chromosomes and you called me a man, like, he's asking me a question, people would look at you like, if I had XX chromosomes and I transitioned into a man, and you call me a man and you're like, oh, she's asking a question,

people would look at you like you're crazy. What is the question? I think it's anyone who identifies as a woman. Got it. No, no, but then what is the term? It's like saying a tree is a thing that is a tree. That's circular reasoning. So we have to define the term. So what is that? I think it's literally just that. I don't think it has to be that deep.

Okay, how would you define it then? To understand where you're coming from. As humanity always has, which is an adult female with XX chromosomes, right? Not tough, not difficult, not overcomplicated. My two-year-old actually could say, woman, man, woman, man, man, woman, woman, man. Men with androgen insensitivity

who phenotypically are female. Are they men? Do you think we should call them he-hems? Should we call them men? What's their chromosome structure? It would be really rude. What's their chromosome structure? They're XY.

Okay, but they're not men then. I got it mixed up. Okay. But going back to the definition. Yeah, men with androgen insensitivity. They don't get testosterone. They're phenotypically female. They're XY. Do you mean individuals with Swire syndrome?

Is that what you're asking? No, I mean androgen insensitivity. You have XY chromosomes. Your body doesn't produce – A man. XY chromosomes. Man. So –

X. XY man, XX female. You don't process testosterone. Phenotypically, you are a woman. You have a vagina. That's called Swire syndrome. No, it, man. X, X, female. You don't process testosterone. Phenotypically, you are a woman. You have a vagina. That's called Swire syndrome. No, it's not. It's called androgen insensitivity.

You're just wrong. Someone look it up. Literally look up Swire syndrome. It's exactly what I'm talking about. Someone look up androgen insensitivity. It's someone that has XY chromosomes and that has... Anyway. Maybe they're the same term.

A disfiguration on the binary does not refute the actual rule itself. Okay, but your definition isn't complete. Of course it's complete. But you can't answer the question by saying, it's like saying, Charlie, what is a table? Well, a table is something that is a table. Nothing in the world would we accept that as a definition. So you've got to give me more than that.

What is the woman that we're speaking of? I don't think I do. It works in my worldview. I mean, there's not really, I mean, I don't think saying you identify as a woman, okay, I'll call you a woman and public society and medicine. Yeah, we should probably make a distinction. Like you have X, Y chromosomes, but you're not a doctor. Why do you need to know that? Why does it matter if you call them a man or not? Hold on. So we just gravitated from that this is what it is to why does it matter? Let me tell you why it matters. Because we are

being forced to lie on a daily basis and affirm people's mental delusions. And we refuse to lie. We're not going to affirm a lie, and we're not going to teach it to our kids, and we're not going to put our kids in locker rooms alongside men who think they are women, which puts them in danger at safety and ruins female privacy. But trans men with dicks are okay, because they have XX chromosomes.

I'm sorry? Trans men with dicks are okay, because they have XX chromosomes then? They're not men. Okay, but they have women with dicks. No, they don't. They look like a man. No one's going to be able to tell the difference. They have a fake part that they paid for in plastic surgery.

Okay, you think that's going to matter? Hold on. Of course it matters. You can make yourself look like something else. You think a woman and a girl in a women's locker room, a trans guy who looks exactly like a pervert. No, I think that person's like weird and a pervert. Strips down. Oh, I have XX chromosomes.

It's fine. Because that's what you're saying. Well, hold on. First of all, what you're saying is they don't look as you think. You could tell that they are a woman. Number two, they should be kicked out of the locker room in general because that's a really weird freak that shouldn't even be in public life. Number three, though, and this is the most important thing, transgenderism is so obviously a mental illness. And the treatment for that is puberty blockers, testosterone, and hormone replacement therapy.

Why would we change the treatment that worked for 40 years? Say, you are not this. Let's find the underlying cause. No, it doesn't work. That's in the clinical practice, the guidelines. The DSM-5 is wrong. These clinicians are making millions of dollars abusing our kids. No, what you're saying is we should address underlying mental health issues.

That's part of the DSM clinical guidelines. But it also includes gender-affirming care to reduce symptoms of anxiety and suicidality. Gender-affirming care is butchery. And it works. So what do you mean by works? It reduces suicidality. It reduces anxiety.

For detransitioners, does it work? The detransition rate is about 1%. So you're saying that 99% of people who are happy with the treatment they receive shouldn't have access to it. I've met a lot of trans people. I don't think I've ever seen a happy trans person. I know a lot more. I live in Lavender. I guarantee you

I know more that are more than happy. Do you know why? Because transgenderism, and this is the final point, is a symptom of an underlying cause. If you see a fever, you don't know what the issue is. It could be COVID, it could be a bacterial infection, it could be sepsis. Transgenderism is somebody that might have been

abused as a kid, having puberty anxiety, or most often they have autism and they don't know how to fit in with other people. And they're very expressionist and they're very much like trying to be in the world. And transgenderism holds onto people that are neurodivergent and that are on the spectrum. And it weaponizes autism towards this butchery and this medieval practice of chopping off people's parts. So instead of going towards the underlying causes of autism, we've turned an entire generation of kids with irreversible damage. Back to the economy, because that's what's going to affect most people.

No, but honestly... I mean, did I not say that? Yes, I know. Most people are going to be more impacted by the Republicans' economy As long as you guys keep on having a war on women and a war on reality, you're going to keep on losing elections. I wish we could end this issue. I'm kind of sick talking about it. I'm going to stop talking about it.

What? Let's talk about the Republicans' $4.5 trillion tax cut. First of all— And a trillion dollars to the 1% over the next 10 years. I'm happy to talk about that, but we won't move on from fundamental biological truth and go to something more abstract to tax cuts. I think most people care a lot more about having health care than what someone's medical decisions. It's not an either or. Our economic plan is way better.

Let me ask. In what way? Was the economy better under Trump or Biden? Trump. Are they wrong? Are they wrong? Yeah. I think.

Okay, one, tell me which explicit policies that Trump passed led to the benefit. Energy independence, better trade deals. Biden drills more oil than Trump. Our oil drilling levels are higher than they've ever been. Not true. That's literally just a fact. No, it's not. But anyway, the point being is that the price of gas was lower under Trump.

We had better economic prosperity. We're drilling more. It's not helpful. We're producing more oil. It's not helpful for us just to debate back and forth what economy was better. Everybody remembers the Trump years. It was better. And so no amount of spin will get it back.

What the Trump tax cut will do will actually, you know what it will be? No tax on tips. No tax on Social Security. It is the largest working class tax cut in the history of Washington, D.C. Most people do not get their income from tips or Social Security. Hold on. Hold on. Every person over 65 gets income from Social Security, number one.

Number two, it's also he's looking at no Social Security tax, which is FICA. And finally, what we're going to see is the largest working class family tax cut. Joe Biden did none of this stuff. He raised taxes on Americans, hyperinflation, crushed people. It's just an extension of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act. So it's not really reducing taxes. It's just keeping them at the current level they are. Well, the ones that worked very well under Trump and then adding no tax on tips, no tax on Social Security, etc, etc. So you're still increasing the deficit by $4.5 trillion. Well, no, actually, that's not true. We're cutting a lot of spending through Doge. It's not nearly close to $4.5 trillion.

When you cut taxes, sometimes revenues go up. Okay, the CBO estimates from the Trump tax cuts when he passed them in 2017 were actually lower than the projected revenues. So we're actually not seeing that. The deficits under Trump were much lower than under Biden. But I just find your passion great. The Democrat Party is going to be in a place of perpetual wilderness. And I wish you guys would get sane. I want to have two, like.

I wish you guys would actually pass things that would help working people. Fine, you can wish all you want. Like universal child care. We won and you didn't. So it's like, great. Universal family paid leave. And you're worried about transgender people. Like that'll have a lot more of like actually funding child care. We're worried about a lot more of actually funding child care.

We're worried about a lot of things, but it's just so remarkable that we sign an executive order saying that no men and female sports and there's opposition. Wouldn't it be smart

for you guys to be like, you know, this is a 90-10 issue. Girls are losing championships, but you guys are so married to that. I know too many trans people. I have befriended

and loved too many trans people to sacrifice them and throw them under the bus. Good luck in the next election with that. Thank you. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com. Thanks so much for listening, and God bless. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.