The Charlie Kirk Show - Hillary Clinton Is Back, And She's Going After Allie Beth Stuckey

Episode Date: January 30, 2026

Remember Hillary Clinton? Yep, she's still around, and she has abruptly resurfaced to write a long essay attacking Allie Beth Stuckey as a false Christian. Stuckey joins to unpack the left's cult of toxic empathy and how it leads many Christians astray on crucial issues from the border to abortion. Plus, the team reacts to the much-needed arrest of Don Lemon for his St. Paul church invasion. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com! Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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All right. So, Don LaMond has been arrested. Yes. Yes, I know. And I woke up to this news without even looking into any of the reaction. I didn't see a single reaction. And I knew it was going to say that this is an assault on the freedom of the press. Possibly an assault on their democracy?

No, our democracy. That this is something you see in Russia. that this has been imported by the fascists in the White House and everything's out of control, a high escalation. No, okay. Guys, none of this is true. None of it is remotely true. But shall we just start with reading Don Lamont's lawyer statement?

Don Lemon was taken into custody by federal agents last night in Los Angeles, where he was covering the Grammy Awards. Don has been a journalist for 30 years and his constitutionally protected work in Minneapolis was no different than what he has always done. The First Amendment exists to protect journalists whose role it is to shine light on the truth and to hold those in power accountable. There is no more important time for people like Don to be doing this work. Instead of investigating the federal agents who killed two peaceful Minnesota protesters, the Trump Justice Department is devoting its time, attention, and resources to this arrest.

And that is the real indictment of wrongdoing in this case. The unprecedented attack on the First Amendment and transparent attempt to distract attention from the many crises facing this administration will not stand. Don will fight these charges vigorously and thoroughly. You can unpack like three or four different lies in this two paragraph statement. Like, so first of all, just that line really galls me to protect journalists whose roles to shine light on the truth and hold those in power accountable. This guy was not haranguing a lawmaker. This guy was not disclosing classified documents. This guy went and joined a group of people who busted into.

a church during worship to harass a worship leader they say is involved with ICE. That is not holding people in power accountable. That is helping a bunch of people harass someone. And he's cheering it on. He's like, oh yeah, that's the price of protest does all these kids sob?

That's six-year-old who's crying in church. Yeah, you're really holding the powerful accountable, Don. Yeah, and the there's that instance, but he actually on video, kissed the lead protester, said, thank you for your service. cheered them on there he is kissing the protester this is before i'd justress them out a little bit

yeah she's now claiming that when she was arrested that she was like a slave because she studied this in school you blake you know the power of a of a college degree yeah and i don't know i kind of just doubt these people studied much yeah i don't know if they studied anything so predictably the media freak out is real and it is being led by none other than brian's stelter fuming about his former colleague at CNN being arrested 503. A disturbing escalation against reporting in America. And I would also put it in the framework of protests. You know, this is part of an ongoing pressure campaign against protests,

especially the kind of provocative anti-Trump protest action that we have seen makes the administration so uncomfortable. This is an action, this arrest of Don Lemon, this arrest of this independent journalist who is live streaming and reporting in Minnesota. This is something that some MAGA loyalists have been demanding. They've been wanting to see it happen. When Trump promised retribution, this is the kind of retribution that some of his voters, not all, but some of his voters, wanted to see. And I think that is, for better or for worse, some of the context of what we're seeing this morning. Molly Jung Fast, very, very upset. If you don't know who she is, consider yourself lucky.

498. Think about the countries where journalists are targeted by the federal government. by their governments, Russia, China, Turkey. They're not democracies. I mean, this kind of thing, it's a shot across the bow, right, towards the free press. And it's scary. I feel like I was time warping back to 2014 with that vocal fry. Consider the countries where journalists are.

Has she ever worked at National Public Radio? I need to find out. National Public Radio doesn't pop up. That's impossible for me to comprehend. Well, guys, he was just arrested for doing his job. Bob 495. And again, I keep coming back to this. And the context here is that, you know,

Don Lemon has been an enemy of the MAGA movement for quite some time. He's disliked by the Trump administration. That doesn't matter. What matters here is he was being a journalist who was doing his job and has now been arrested for doing his job. Like, the reactions were so predictable. It's so predictable. And just, yeah, like, you know, I think he might have a defense if it was a 100% neutral report.

and he's like, this mob is going in, and like, I think people should see what's going on. It still might rub a lot of people the wrong way. But, like, he would have a defense. But he's clearly on team protester. He's kissing the protesters. He's cheering them on as these children sob in his immediate vicinity. And he was told to leave it and refuse to do so.

He is a collaborator with the forcible disruption of a worship event, which is illegal. Yeah, well, and so he is facing, just to be clear, 18 U.S. Code 241 conspiracy to deprive rights. 18 U.S. Code 248 violation of the FACE Act. Terrorizing Christians is a mistake. It is illegal to do so, especially in their home and their place of worship. Don LaMond, you are not above the law, which leads me to the final quote that I would like to play, which is from Don LaMond in 2019, 515.

Nobody is above the law. nobody's above the law. Can I get it again for the people in the back? 515? Nobody is above the law. Nobody's above the law. We should have that as a sound bite. We can just have them like chime that in every time one of them gets arrested.

I need a sound board. We should do that. We should have that. Anytime one of these goons gets arrested, we just have Don Lamont's. Nobody's above the law. Hellish voice, whatever. I send upon us.

I agree. We played this. This is Nikima Levy Armstrong. This is the organizer of this very illicit. advised protest. No, this is harassment. It's illegal. You can't do this in a house of worship. 506. We have belly chains around our waist and we had handcuffs with bars in the middle. As someone who majored in African American studies, I can tell you that that is the closest I ever felt to slavery in my life. Being shackled as if I was a slave.

I'm actually going to I'm going to do something surprising I'm going to agree with her that is the closest she's ever been to slavery because America is not the insane hateful country she says good take she's not a slave thank goodness thank heavens

for the Christian crusaders who made that reality amen and that's a good take it's a really good take it just proves that your whole life has been really really privileged and really redeemed from previous eras and epics in which black people were enslaved

thank God that the closest any of of us will ever be to slavery is being handcuffed when we commit a crime when we commit crimes so but here's the other thing we just have to call it out i studied african-american studies and i know and it's like stop just anytime you start a sentence with here's my degree this is why i you know i can have this opinion you just need to stop because nobody cares and by the way if you're going to claim that you got an african-american studies degree or whatever we're going to really judge you because that's a stupid degree to get. I'm just going to say it. You don't commit crimes. You don't break into churches. It's pretty straightforward. Okay. I don't want you to consider the different situations where people

would be willing to die. People would be willing to die in war. In the past maybe. Now, people don't really commit themselves to things that often. People would be willing to die in war. Secondly, it's still happening. That's how I know it's true. People would be willing to die for their family, for their kids, right? We commend a mom that would be willing to run in front of a bus to save her child. And people would be willing to die for their faith. We call them martyrs. Charlie was a martyr. But that's what makes what's happening in Minneapolis and around the country so disturbing is because people are apparently willing to die to protect illegal immigrants that have no business being in this country because they are brown-coded and the law enforcement are white-coded or imperialist versus

Colonialist versus Oppressor versus oppressed. All of these frameworks are at play. It's an ideology. It's a cult. So assassination culture is one thing. And we should talk about that with Mangione. That's the other news today. If people haven't heard, while we

have had Don Lamont arrested, also today in federal court, they dismissed the highest murder charge against Luigi Mangione that would have left him open to the death penalty. So death penalty is off the table for a guy who went and hunted a father because of the job he had and assassinated him in cold blood.

So at the very least, we know he's going to live out the rest of his days. I'm worried, you know, I'm actually worried on that front. It's just been one thing after another. The left, we've seen this with the attacks on ice where the left will basically do jury nullification for someone who does a ramming attack on ice officers. It's 12 people. You need unanimity. You only need one of them to decide, actually, I like what this guy did. It's true.

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Thank you, Dr. Fauci today. And listen, assassination culture is terrible. We've warned about it. Charlie warned about it, which is one of the tragedies of tragedies. But for the ability to convince other people to sacrifice their lives for by death, suicide would be one thing, but death by suicide by law enforcement is a whole other thing. So this is what's interesting. So we commend martyrs in a faith sense. Christian martyrs are heroes. Charlie was a hero. We commend people that die in war for a righteous cause.

And then there's people that will die for family. And what's interesting enough about this is that, you know, the left is a godless movement. They have abandoned God. They have distanced themselves. from any types of traditional spirituality in the most part. And what's fascinating is that they have been convinced to do so for immigration, for illegal immigrants, for illegal immigrant criminals that have been oftentimes found guilty of homicide, child rape, trafficking, drug trafficking. And it is a fascinating show because the CIA would be jealous of this. The color revolutionist that we have talked about in foreign countries would marvel at the ability to get so many people in mass to believe a lie.

And that is what we are watching. The left has managed to hijack traits of patriotism, faith and family, three things that they actively oppose. Yet they still understand that the power that could be wielded by these ties is so powerful. It's motivation so deep that they come from these natural structures. these God-given structures that we are all supposed to be behind, and they've hijacked him. And so they believe that they are in a literal physical war. Their religion of tolerance is under attack by the rule of law, by law and order. And they have substituted what is a real family, the nuclear family, the God-given family,

and now they talk about their comrades, the movement, the global citizenry, the oppressed, the marginalized. That's their new family. And so I just think it's a really fascinating thing. And where does all of this happen? It's happening on social media. The algorithms are designed to divide us. The algorithm on your social media is going to be different than mine, different than Blake's. The algorithms are going to give you what you want to see.

They're going to reinforce your biases. They're going to reinforce the things that you already think feel and see. So even when you see a counter opinion, that opinion, that opinion is, is supposed to enrage you. It's supposed to send you off a cliff and think, how could these people be so ignorant? It's not going to give you the content that maybe would help you see things

from a different perspective. It's supposed to enrage you. It's supposed to make you hate those people. And our next guest is going to be Ali Beth Stucky from the Blaze. She's been calling out and warning about the Instagram slop that she is seeing. Now, she is a conservative Christian woman.

She's one of the leaders of that space. And what is she seeing? Even in her Instagram feed, she's seeing rage bait, anti-ice slop. Even in her self-selected conservative Christian female American algorithm, it is being inundated with anti-ice slop. And what is it leading to? It's leading to kamikaze Karens in the streets of Minneapolis that are willing to sacrifice their lives. It's leading to walkouts at high schools all across the country. We're seeing that here in Phoenix today and across the country.

it's leading to a degradation and a delegitimization of law enforcement it's really scary if she's and I'm not surprised at all because I remember George Floyd in 2020 I remember huge amounts it wouldn't be slop at that time we didn't have AI

but it was the extreme vulnerability of people who should know better to this emotional manipulation of the left it's an extremely powerful emotional manipulation machine to present you with images

to make you feel bad to really reinvent force them with a lot of people all freaking out at the same time. And you get in this bubble that can last really until everything boils over. And with Floyd, with Floyd a Palluzzi, you remember, it took years to build up to that. It started like with Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown, and it would come and it would come and it would go and it would get more and more intense. And finally, they burned down half the country. Well, it's a pattern. And then people got a little over it. And we're seeing it with this ice where I think they're building up this bigger psychosis. And

I'm very worried about where that might end up, where they'll just get whipped up until finally some lunatic who sees, oh, Luigi Mangione is a hero and he's not even going to get executed. Or, frankly, Tyler Robinson, some people think he's a hero, and they'll think, I can be like that person. And they'll go and they'll buy a gun and they'll go and try to shoot a bunch of ice agents. I think that is what we're building towards. I completely agree. And it's a pattern. They're playing us off a same pattern. It's the same people that believed and fell for the BLM and the Black Squareho.

the same people that believe in the pronouns in the bio, the believe all women, the defund police, the vaccine mask if you love your neighbor, all of the same things. They're falling for it again, and those same people are falling for it and spreading their influence all over Instagram and TikTok. Brett Kavana is a rapist.

Trump is a racist. Trump's Hitler. It's the same pattern to enrage, divide, to spread lies without anybody pushing back against them. Because the algorithm has already decided that that's not going to happen. Do not fall for the pattern. Do not fall for the rage bait. Build up immunities.

Think critically. And I really believe that that's the key. We are losing our ability to think critically. And we have to call it out and hopefully see a revitalization of critical thinking skills and independent thinking. We are joined by Ali Beth Stuckey, host of Relatable Podcast, Blaze TV. Check it out there. Also, she is the author of a book called Toxic Empathy. How Progressives Exploit Christian Compassion.

And that has been targeted by none other than Hillary Rodham Clinton. Remember her? Which is just so cool. I am so jealous of Allie Beth Stuckey for getting targeted by Hillary Rodham Clinton. So without further ado, Allie, welcome back to the show. Yeah, thank you so much. Can you introduce Hillary Rodham Clinton to our younger viewers? They may not be familiar with her at this point.

Hillary Rodham Clinton back in the day. You know Trump. Everyone knows Trump, right? Well, if you were just going to get Kamala Harris, but long, long time ago when a lot of you were maybe just being born, he went up against someone named Hillary Clinton. She's not a newbie. She's got a long and storied history in American politics.

and I was not expecting this new burst of publicity for me and my book that came out over a year ago from none other than Secretary Clinton. But here we are. Well, congratulations. She has a lot to say about you. She called you the, I think the commissar of MAGA morality, which is just. That goes so hard. Yeah, it goes so hard. Very good.

I mean, I love how she sort of, you know, filtered in her own little communist language there, her vocabulary. She says, the author of talks. at empathy who styles herself a voice for Christian women has more than a million followers on social media. That's a lot. And it goes on, this commissar of maga morality targets other evangelicals whose empathy, she warns, has left them open to manipulation. Maybe they recognize the humanity of an undocumented immigrant family and decide that mass deportation has gone too far. Or they make space in their heart for a young rape survivor forced to carry a pregnancy to term and start questioning the wisdom and morality of total abortion bans.

It's all toxic to Stucky. Your response. Yeah, you know, I just appreciate that she gave me two blatant examples of toxic empathy. We should see the humanity and an illegal immigrant because they're made in the image of God that should not lead us to want to prohibit deportations or the enforcement of our common sense immigration law. We should have compassion for the rape survivor who is now pregnant that should not lead us to support the death penalty for the baby. So this is exactly my point that we should. be having compassion for all different kinds of people, but that compassion should not lead us to affirm sin or support really destructive policy, both for our families and for our country.

So thank you so much, Hillary, for being an example of that. So this reminded me of a rant that, please get me the clip, guys, the Greg Gutfeld rant. I can't find it right now. But it is so spot on. And actually, I said something similar yesterday reacting to the Bruce Springsteen clip. He's got this new song out in the streets of Minneapolis. And he's talking about, we won't forget their names as they roam and kill the ICE agents. And we won't forget Renee Good and Alex Pretty.

And it instantly occurred to me, Allie, that we have no songs for Lake and Riley. We have no songs for Rachel Moran. We have no songs for Jocelyn Nungary. We have no songs for Molly Tibbets. We do not have any of that. And yet the selective outrage is so. is such that we have a song now for what's happening in Minneapolis. What do you think it is about Minneapolis that is so enraging for the progressive left? Look, I think it's exactly what we're

talking about. They now have victims that they can venerate as saints and as martyrs. We saw that, of course, y'all have talked about it with Anna Navarro saying that Alex Preddy was the kind of guy that you would want to bring home for your daughters, just absolutely absurd stuff. You can debate what actually happened when he lost his life without elevating him to this level that they elevated George Floyd, which was basically that he was a perfect person sent by God to show us what injustice really looks like. And they're not going to waste a tragedy. They're not going to waste a loss of life. They are going to use it to advance their cause, which is chaos, open borders, destruction. This audience knows everything about that. But they are going to leverage your

natural compassion, your instinctive empathy to manipulate you into belief. believing that supporting their policies is the only way to be a good person and advance the cause of justice. And I just want everyone. This is the whole purpose of what I do, the purpose of my book, to step back and say, I can see the humanity and Alex Prattie and Renee Good without supporting a policy that would lead to defunding the police or defunding ICE that would lead to more Lake and Raleys and more Molly Tibbitts and more Kate Steinleys because I love my neighbor. And by the way, Lakin, Riley was my neighbor too. And because I care about her and I care about innocent life, I'm going to continue to support immigration enforcement.

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We're not missing another 500,000 underage minors that happened to be from south of the border. Where was the empathy for these things? And this is why I am just so – I love this clip. Greg Gutfeld went off yesterday. 524. How did we get here? Pull back. How did we get here?

An open border that let millions in, and you guys didn't give two out – It's credit. Okay. It's not great for that board. All right, all right, all right. We had dozens of deaths where you didn't say Jocelyn Nungary, Lake and Riley, Rachel Morin, Molly Tibbitts. Here's three pages of women

who have been murdered by illegal aliens in the last like seven or eight years. The seven or eight years that we've been here talking about this and mocked over it. He goes on. And I put it on my ex page, so please check that out. It was vintage Greg Gutfeld. You have been calling out where a lot of this rage is coming from, though.

And it's on Instagram. Now, you are a conservative Christian. You probably follow a lot of conservative Christians. And yet, you have been observing a trend on Instagram. What is it? And why are you sounding the alarm? It's 2020 all over again. I remember when I woke up on June 2nd or 3rd in 2020, and I thought my Instagram was glitching

because I saw these black squares take over my feed, even from people who call themselves Christian conservatives and maybe they had a Bible verse underneath, but some of them said, you know, Black Lives Matter. And the underlying common assumption and all of that was that George Floyd died because of systemic racism, because Derek Chauvin was racist. And the only question that I asked in my head and then later publicly was, how do I know that's true? How do I know that's true? And frankly, I had read too much Thomas Olin, Walter Williams at that point to be duped by all of it. So I just started pointing out that your compassion is lopsided. You don't have any compassion for all of these innocent people who are being killed by the rioters. That's the definition of

injustice, punishing someone for something that they did not do, which is exactly what happened with the chaos of 2020. And the same thing, of course, is happening today. Everyone feels the pressure to signal their virtue. And what bothers me is that people who never pipe up about politics, who never say anything about what's going on when Biden or Obama is president, all of the so-called kids in cages, the minor separated from parents and lost under the Biden administration, now feel the urgency to say, oh, I've got to pipe up about politics. I'm like, look, there's a long list of injustices that occur when Trump is not president that I and others would have loved your voice on.

I never hear you talk about abortion. I never hear you talk about the kids whose bodies are being chopped up because they've been told that they are the wrong gender. I don't hear you talk about any of those injustices. So at least be fair. At least be fair. But you should ask yourself, why is your public outrage completely? dictated by what the liberal media says is wrong. And if you can't be fair, just be quiet.

Blake. It's, there's something about this, like, it's that ability to just get, it's like a hitting a light switch, the ability to get whipped up entirely selectively based on who's in office, who, what's on the news. And it cries out for a better social, like, psychological explanation. and I'm not entirely sure what it is. Because like what's going on in this person's head? Where you didn't care about these things until 10 minutes ago, suddenly it's all important. And then you could like even move on and change your views and it's like total amnesia that it ever happened, which we've all seen. We've seen the people who were entirely whipped up, for example, in Floydapalooza.

And then today, it's like it never happened. What? Why do you care about that? And it happens in so many things. imagery is compelling and when you put up a picture of a child in his little blue toboggan looking sad standing alone with you know federal agents that evokes something in you and by the way it should that's something good in your heart if you saw that picture and you're like oh my gosh that poor child but when that is decontextualized and a completely fabricated narrative is attached to it and that is what first circulates it is really hard for me for you for anyone else to compete against an image, to compete against a picture with logic, with questions. Telling people to not allow their emotion to arrest their critical thinking is really hard because we are all especially women, emotional creatures.

And as we've talked about, as Charlie talked about so often, the progressives don't have the same moral limits that we do. Whereas we don't want to lie. We don't want to misrepresent. Even if it advances our cause, progressives have an ins justified. the means mentality that means if this lie gets ice agents off the street, then it'll all be worth it. It's just hard to compete with, not impossible, but difficult. Well, you think about it, Ali, because you think, remember the Nicholas Sandman instance?

Yeah. Where it looked like this young, MAGA, young, you know, they said a mob surrounded an Indian elder and harassed him for no reason. And it took years. and a massive lawsuit to clear his name. And I bet, despite that, there is still millions of left-wingeres and progressives that only get their news from one or two sources that still believe that he was attacking an Indian elder.

And you think about that with Kyle Rittenhouse. There are still people who think hands up don't shoot was true. That was fake. And by the way, there's still people that think that a lot of people, by the way, that think it was somebody from MAGA that killed Charlie because these lies are allowed to be perpetuated and they're not corrected. but it's the first lie, the first image that ends up making the biggest impact.

And a lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to put on its pants. And that is really, I think a tactic that is being weaponized and used because they know that it's effective. And to your point, they don't have the same restraints. I remember during some of the conspiracy theories that we were confronting, which, by the way, you've been amazing on with Allie. I got a question from a very prominent person online. and we're talking about well what do you do to confront them and the question was posed to me how evil are you willing to be and i said i'm not and they said well that really limits your options here i'm like okay there's a piece here in the federalist by kiley griswold and she's talking about the same phenomena i don't know if you've seen

this piece she's talking about instagram and she's specifically for young women she says the information is low but the emotion is high on instagram you'll learn that immigration and customs enforcement used an innocent five-year-old as a bait and then arrested him. And she says false. He was abandoned by his own illegal alien father. You'll learn that the, that mother and legal observer Renee Good was gunned down in the streets. False, she says. The ice watch agitator aimed a weapon, a.k. her two-ton SUV at a federal officer who had previously been run over by an illegal alien and then accelerated, hitting him and reportedly causing internal bleeding. You'll learn that the traumatic city's church disruption was First Amendment protected

speech and on and on it goes. What do we do? What are, I mean, what can be done about this proliferation, almost got it, of a highly emotional propaganda. Abolish all social media. Well, you know, I've had an Instagram for about 10 years now. And man, I feel like every two years, It's another propaganda battle. 2016, of course, it was Trump. 2018, it was Kavanaugh. 2020, it was COVID and George Floyd. 2022.

It was Roe v. Wade being overturned when we had that flurry of lies about, oh, because of pro-life legislation, women are dying in emergency rooms. We had to debunk that. 2024. We had the election. And now here we are in 2026. And we've got a similar situation. And so I feel like I've been through the ringer here.

But the hopeful thing is that back in 2020, I felt. like I was one of the only white female evangelicals who was like, oh, actually I don't think I want to post a black square. And I was confronted by prominent Christian leaders that this is the wrong move. This is divisive. This is racist. You should be a part of reconciliation. You should have more empathy.

That's what inspired my book. Sometimes it doesn't matter what the facts are. I was told verbatim multiple times. Sometimes it doesn't matter what the truth is. You just have to express your empathy. And that is where I was like, nope, that is leading us in a really, really bad direction because public messaging affects public opinion, which affects public policy, which affects the public. It affects people.

Like real lives are lost when we defund the police, when we exacerbate the rights and things like that. So the encouraging part, though, is that now in 2026, six years later, I do feel when I look to my right and left, not politically, but when I look around, I see more. are people like me who have platforms who are willing to say, I'm not going to join in with that. I'm not going to repost that. At least I'm going to take some time to figure out what's really going on. And then you've got other people who are, you know, courageous being like, no, that's,

that's not the right narrative. And actually, like, there are other circumstances going on here. And I don't think that that's true. So I'm encouraged by that. There are more of us now than there were six years ago. And so we just got to keep pushing. Obviously, it's working. Or Hillary Rodham Clinton would not be taking out 6,000 words

and the Atlantic to try to urge women back into her folds of toxic empathy. By the way, I'm getting to be giving a full response to Hillary Clinton later today on my channel. But obviously, they're scared. And so we got to keep slug in. Yeah, the best hope I can have is maybe you think of how television impacted people when it first came along. It fried a lot of brains. You look at an old propaganda reel in World War II, and if you watch it today, you think, this is really stupid.

It's really in your face. And it just would not work anymore today because people have gotten used to it. And maybe that's the hope is with social media, we're still in the first generations to encounter this, and it cooks our brains really bad. But people who maybe entirely grow up in it will hopefully get used to the manipulation tactics it uses. And we have to hope that because, as you say, it's not just that they're easily propagandized. It's also a really dark thing is the flattening of what maybe we call it like flattening of your moral register where it's very common for people on social media to basically view a bad social media take or something they disagree with as equal or worse in moral heinousness to actually killing somebody to actually committing a real life atrocity.

And we've seen that over and over. There are people who have gotten canceled off social media who've faced far worse effects on their lives than someone who committed a crime in real life where they'll get a moral cause in their favor. And oh, we need to make sure this person gets back on their feet. It's really, it's a great point. It's very interesting. And it really drives home the importance of having good moral cultivation. I think we live with an ideal that it's like very easy. You can have naive morality.

And no, it has to be cultivated. It's why we need good pastors. It's why we need good religious leaders because a big part of their job is to have that level of moral cultivation to get past that first hurdle of what's your immediate visual emotional response to something. I totally agree. And we need moral courage from you in the audience. You listening to Allie's show, listening to this show.

We need you to get in the comments when you see people manipulating you, propagandizing you with slop. You have to be brave. And I think we're now at an iteration of this where we need. more and more voices to rise up. Allie, final 30 seconds to you. Yeah, you know, Blake, you just made such good points, both of you, but that flattening of like virtue and morality is why empathy should not be your guide, why moral truth has to be your guide, why virtue has to be your guide. It's not about getting rid of compassion. It's allowing your compassion to be guided by what is true, what is logically, factually true, but also what is biblically true. You can

get exhausted by over untethered empathy, but God's ways stay the same. And if you follow that, you'll be headed in the right direction. The truth is unchanging. Stay anchored to it. Allie Best Tuckie, thank you so much. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.