The Charlie Kirk Show - How to Lose Weight, "The Biggest Loser" Style ft. Jillian Michaels

Episode Date: August 7, 2025

Jillian Michaels is a "former fat kid" who discovered martial arts and became famous as a trainer on The Biggest Loser. Now, she is a major MAHA advocate, and joined Charlie at the Student Action Summit in Tampa. The two of them talk about vaccines, whether Ozempic is safe, Covid-era mask insanity, overmedicated kids, and much more. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com!    Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Stacey's going to love this one. This is a very exciting guest. First time actually ever meeting her. I've been following her for a while, and you might remember her on a certain show, The Biggest Loser. So joining us now is Jillian Michaels. Jillian, come on up here.

Thank you so much. I appreciate that. Thank you. I love this. I'm already comfortable. It matches your eyes. Stop. Thank you. Thank you, everyone. Thank you so much. So it's so nice to meet you. I've been following you from afar for a while. Same. And it's just kind of fun how all these paths kind of come together, right? It's awesome, actually. And I really have to commend you. Oh, excuse me, for being such a uniting cultural force. Oh, thank you. We have lots of voices here, lots of perspectives, and it's exciting. So for those of you that are not totally familiar with you or your story, who are you? And tell us why you're so passionate about making America healthy again. Gosh, well, I am a former fat kid that fell into fitness because I got into martial arts. And I learned over the course of many years and great instruction that when you feel strong physically, you feel strong in every facet of your life, fell into being a fitness. trainer, ended up working. Sorry, I'll go over here. I don't know why I felt they need to deepen my voice as well in that moment. Forgive me. All right. Anyway, I fell into fitness training when I was

training for my black belt. And the rest kind of took on a life of its own. And this is why I think when you do what you love, the universe really does conspire on your behalf. And I've had a huge amount of serendipity that I'm grateful for. And how I ended up sitting here with you, Maha is definitely part of it, and I'm grateful for that movement. I think it's long overdue. But health became a political football. And so I was dragged into this arena. I'm not sorry. And then I think this is where I need to be. And that's where these Venn diagram, the Venn diagram of politics and wellness intersects for me. And so you were outspoken against a lot of the mandates during COVID, correct? I was, as time progressed. I didn't really understand.

understand the vaccine piece of it all. And to be dead honest, I just assumed it was safe. I mean, why wouldn't it be safe? To say that vaccines weren't safe was like saying the earth was flat. What I did appreciate very early on is that the lockdowns made no sense. And the mandates made no sense. Like you would walk into a restaurant. This one's my absolute favorite. And you'd have to wear a mask when you walked in because you could only catch COVID if you were standing up. And then when you sat down, you could take off your mask safely and converse and consume food. And I remember thinking, this does not make a ton of sense to me. And then later, I began to investigate more of what did not make sense. Well, and my favorite during COVID was when you flew on an airplane where that virus is a very, very tricky virus.

It takes time off while you eat. Yes, yes. So when you're eating or drinking, the virus just kind of chills out. Exactly. But otherwise, you must keep the mask on. 100%. And very important, you're allowed to eat and drink with people next to you at 35,000 feet. But once you land in L.A., all the restaurants are closed.

Because you're not allowed to eat next to people in L.A., but you're allowed to eat next to people on your flight to L.A. 100%. Sitting right next to you indoors, not socially distanced. And the mask also screens out the virus from going into your eyeballs, despite the fact that it only covers your nose and your mouth. Yes. Because as we know, you can catch pathogens through your eyes,

but not COVID, especially when you're wearing the mask. So I guess you became outspoken to this, and the back story you ran or the host, the show The Biggest Loser, is that correct? Yeah, way back one. And I think a lot of people remember that. Who remembers that with Gillian? So that's a big, big show.

I want to take a sidebar and just talk about that. How did you get into that, first of all? Well, I opened a sports medicine facility when I was around 30 years old, and I had briefly worked in the entertainment industry in branding and motion picture packaging, so I had a lot of clients that worked in the entertainment industry, and they'd heard about this show on NBC. And I really did not like the name of the show, but I got pushed to go out for it, and I had thought at the time I was going to brand my gym.

I thought that was going to be the brand, and I was going to be the next curse, which is probably before your time. I remember curves. Okay, fair, fair. You work out there, Charlie? No. Okay, fair enough. So, long story short, I went out for the job.

I ended up getting it. And I had an on again, off again relationship with the network and the producers for all the reasons that the show remains controversial. But nevertheless, it gave me a global megaphone, and I'm grateful for it, and hopefully doing better things with it. And that's kind of how I ended up here. But as you know, politically in culture, it became, we began to glorify obesity. And I think this is really pre-COVID where I started to get red-pilled.

That's really when it began in 2019. And there's a famous incident where I was asked by BuzzFeed if I celebrated the fact that Lizzo was obese. And I was like, well, I celebrate Lizzo. I think she's a brilliant artist. I don't think her body is any of my business. And I continue to get pushed. And I was like, if you're asking me whether or not I celebrate the fact that she is overweight, I do not. Because if you truly value her, you would never want her to suffer with any of the comorbidities that obesity carries with it.

And that was it. Oh, my God. It was, oh, my God. It was cancel culture central. And that was really my wake-up call to snowball. So when you have dealt with this a lot, biggest loser privately publicly. when somebody is obese, in your experience, what is the percentage composition of it being lifestyle, agency, and genetics? So how much of it is what they are kind of putting in to their body?

Got it. Meaning, like, are they being poisoned by their food? Unquestionably. Got it. So that's a factor. So we should have compassion in that regard. A factor, yes. Genetics is a factor.

Minimally. Minimally. Exceptionally, minimally. Okay. So build that out because we're, you know, you know, you know what? You know, people say I'm boring this way. I'm born big-boned. I'm boring.

No. So you're born with a predisposition for things, and I'm sure you've heard from fantastic MDs far more credible than me, tell you that while genetics loads the gun, lifestyle pulls the trigger. I have four obesity genes. Perfectly healthy. So while I may not get to eat as much as my son, who can eat anything and everything and never gain a pound,

and it's exceptionally frustrating. But with that said, if I am mindful about what I eat, I can be very healthy. So you simply have to address the fact that your genes are predisposed to slower metabolism. So de-emphasis on genetics, which I love because I feel as if that is disempowering. 100%. In fact, that's actually a really sad message to tell obese people because it basically removes agency from the equation. That's so on purpose. It's on purpose. Oh, so you think it's on purpose?

Oh, of course it's on purpose. So, for example, the SIOP with big food is that you can be healthy in any size. And we know that they paid off influencers and even registered dietitians to spread this messaging. And then Big Pharma's narrative is, no, no, no, no, don't worry, you sad, sorry thing. You will never be able to help yourself out of this. So just take this drug and then you'll be okay. But by the way, the only mechanism by which the drug facilitates, weight loss is that it helps you eat less food, which brings me to the factor you didn't mention, and that's the psychological component. That was the last one. So if you had to weight it out of a scale of 100. No, but how much of it would be like agency, attitude, mindset, would you put that 80%, 90% of the problem? For people that are morbidly obese, I would put it at 80% of the problem. Because for them, food is equated with their psychological survival. And I'll give you a very obvious example. If somebody has been incested or raped or sexually abused, they may choose to de-sexualize

by eating a lot and getting bigger. It's not conscious necessarily, but many people do this. And there are many different examples in response to different trauma. So they're not lazy, they're not dumb, they're not weak, they're not stupid. And if you haven't experienced that and you're not morbidly obese, we're still, overworked, overstressed. We are spread far too thin, and this food is engineered to be addictive. It's omnipresent. So they exploit people's vulnerabilities, and this is why we went from 5% of our population being overweight in the 70s to 74% of our adult population being

overweight today. It's not a quantum leap in genetics, and it's not a moral failing of the vast majority of our adults. You're being set up. The system is rigged. Private student loan debt in America totals about $300 billion. Why Refi refinances private student loan debt and they do not care what your credit score is. Many clients aren't even able to make the minimum monthly payment on their private student loans when they first contact YREFI. Go to whyrefi.com. That is yR-E-F-Y.com. You don't have to ignore that mountain of student loan statements on your kitchen table anymore. So go to whyrefi.com. Do you have a co-borrower? Well, Y-Refi can get them released from the loan and you can give mom or dad a break.

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No, but nicotine's an appetite suppressing. So, I mean, it's... Say, also a big cognitive enhancer. It's neuroprotective. Of course, yeah. Just why I use it. Yeah, it does, and it constricts blood vessels and actually prevents dementia and Alzheimer's.

And Parkinson's. But no, I have a whole theory that smoking is bad. You should not smoke. Smoking is bad. And I think it's disgusting. I hate the smell of smoking. But we were a thinner country when people smoked, obviously.

Well, that definitely played a role. I mean, because it's just, when you're smoking, it's an appetite suppressant. But I'm not, we should not do smoking. Like, do not smoke. That's bad. Don't smoke, yes, please don't do it. But I could make an argument, though,

that even with a smoke, like, it's funny, when more people smoked, we were a healthier country. There were also a lot of other factors. The food, you know, milk was not filled with hormones and antibiotics and ultra-processed food, was really just sugar and fat, not high fructose corn syrup and 10,000 other ingredients that are designed to trigger the dopamine center of your brain and, you know, impede your satiety hormones. It's a, it's a science experiment.

For sure. So for people that say, let's say they're overweight, how much of them, here's now the other kicker. Exercise versus diet. Great question. All right. So it depends on what you're trying to achieve. If you're trying to maintain your weight, food is a factor. But if you're working out, It's arguably the most effective tool at maintaining metabolism. Exactly. Truthfully, if you overeat, that's the thing that's going to make you gain weight. You can't really exercise your way out of it. But if you have a lot of weight to lose, I can't starve it off of you. So here's what I mean.

With the contestants on the show that people saw go from 400 pounds to 180 pounds, I'm not dropping their calories to zero. And even if I did, the math isn't there anyway. In other words, if it takes 3,500 calories to burn off a pound of fat, roughly, give or take, it's an estimate, but nevertheless, okay, so you eat zero, how much does your body burn in a day? Let's say it's 3,000. I mean, that's like your best case scenario, and you'll end up destroying your health. So steady state cardio, that's how I would kind of push them. I would make them go on what I would call the walk to China, although that's probably the wrong country to bring up here, but it had no charge back in the day. Kazakhstan. That's for perfect. Yeah, so Europe. It's about the same place.

Yeah, 100%. So, long, story short, is I would have them do this long, steady state duration cardio to create a massive energy call. And that's all that fat is, it's stored energy. Raises their metabolic rate. Yeah, burns calories. So then, so you want, obviously, I mean, look, if you want to lose weight, just being a calorie deficit, right?

Yeah. It's not that hard. It's like, it's not. Burn more calories than you put in, and definitionally, you'll lose weight. So just a side note, because it just came to me. So you did it for 13 years. Gosh, did I? I don't know.

You said that, right? On Biggest Loser? Gosh, maybe. That's what you said, right? I don't know. Maybe 13 years ago or maybe you did for 13 years? Jeez, okay. You did it for a while?

Maybe a long time. So you had hundreds of contestants, dozens? Okay. So I would imagine that probably while I was on the show, several hundred came through. I worked with half of them. Now, the sad part of this is that you would only get a few of them. It was a game show. It was the gamification of weight loss, which I actually don't agree with,

and was one of the things that I took on bridge with the producers. But they would go home week one, week two, week three. But the reality is that probably 35% of the people I worked with continue to be healthy and keep the right off. That was going to be my question. So what percentage of the people that went from 400 to 180 stayed in that range? For me, roughly 35%. Did they go back to 400 or did they, like, go to 250?

Not the ones that maintained. The ones that maintained probably went up 20 pounds for the guys, 10, 15 pounds for the girls. Because you also have to remember they were coming in at that finale, like, you know, so lean. And they relaxed and motivated. Yeah. But the ones that put it all back, put it all back. And some did. Oh, 66%, I would say.

And that's unbelievable. I mean, so why? That's nothing. Five percent of the people that lose weight are the ones that keep it off. 95% put it back. But what is the data on dramatic weight loss? It's that. So, I mean, meaning people will lose 200 to go regain 200.

Absolutely, yes. And the reason... That's so sad. Here's why, though. Because while you and I can sit here and say, look how simple this is, just... No, I'm not saying it's simple. I'm just saying it's sad. Or the simple math meaning.

Right? That the math is very simple. Not hard to understand. Eat less food. You'll lose weight. Don't buy into the narratives. It's simple. But just because it's simple doesn't mean it's easy. So whatever it was that the food afforded them, generally speaking, it doesn't get resolved. So I'll give you one more example. There was a kid that I worked with who was 18 years old. He lost a huge amount of weight and he went home for the holidays because on the show there were holidays and the contestants would go home and we would frame it like, We're just going to see how you guys did on the show. And he came back and he gained seven pounds. So, of course, he's giving me all the excuses of, it's hard while you travel. Pumpkin pie. I was traveling. It was so hard to find out.

They didn't have time to move my body. And we sat down for hours and kind of worked it through what happened. And the long and the short of it is that his mother, when he walked in the door, 100 pounds thinner, his mother broke into tears. And they weren't tears of joy because she's also morbidly obese. So when she, okay. This is so important.

You already got it, right? So he broke the contract. And for her, this is how they bonded. This is how they were close. When she saw him so much healthier and so much thinner, she felt abandoned. And she became sad and depressed and withdrew. So what does the food afford him? A connection to his mother.

Is he conscious of that? No. But that is what I mean when I tell you people are not, they're not done. They're not lazy. They're not weak. The big food is working to exploit their vulnerabilities. But it is because he hasn't worked through this issue that he would return to the food. So much of what you're saying is that you actually want to, if you want to be healthy.

And so I was recently in the South for a thing. And the South is awesome. I like a lot of it, but it's very obese parts of the South. It is. A lot of reasons for it. And honestly, one of the reasons is that it's culturally accepted. 100%. And I was in a town where people were very, very overweight, and, I mean, they ate a lot. It was fine. I don't eat any of it. Like, I fasted that day. By the way, my real, like, designed weight is like 235.

If I ate regular, I'd be like 240. I'm at like 195. I have to work to keep weight off. But that's exactly the point. But I know my nature. I don't want to be, I don't want to be overweight, which the way it is. But also, I come from, I'm around, like, people that are constantly moving and, like, it's kind of, socially stigmatized and that's actually positive the inverse though is what you're saying is that if there's no social pressure to stop being obese and it's rewarded no that's right that the social currency is actually being obese in fact if you are surrounded by 40 people that are overweight and you're the skinny one you're kind of bullied absolutely or you're ostracized or you're othered at least and listen one would encourage that person to find another community but when it's your mother not quite that

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team of behavioralists, marketing experts, PhDs, MDs, neuroscientists, and every step of the way, how do we grab them, how do we addict them, how do we capture them? And I believe probably my Cali means he. So we don't understand it from many times. He's great. Callie talks all about how... Callie's the guy, Casey's the girl. Yes, Casey's the doctor, and Callie is the activist who... Got to remind myself, I'm sorry, yeah. It's totally fine. I do it all the time, and I have known them for quite some time.

Yes, and they're wonderful. But he goes on to talk about how big tobacco bought big food in the 80s and just applied the playbook. So that is not allowed in Japan. These chemicals are not allowed in the food. They engineer the environment. Do you remember back in the day when you couldn't bring food into a bookstore, now they sell food at the bookstore. No matter where you go, the food is there. It's in vending machines. They siphon off billions, hundreds of billions in our tax dollars to go towards refined grains. And then things like SNAP or the WIC program, it's fascinating when they're one side, well, not really a sidebar, but if I could go on a brief tangent, I was reading an article

the other day about the food pyramid and how people who were pushing back on, the USDA and RFK working to change it, they're like, this is what we use to feed our children and our soldiers without realizing how truly abominable that is because the corn refiners association, the wheat lobbies, the vegetable oil lobby, they created that food pyramid. It's all processed crap. And then they get the contracts, and they take subsidy dollars to put that food in our schools to put it in the ready-to-eat meals for the soldiers, or what they call, the MREs. Meal ready, whatever.

Thank you. Exactly. So this is all rigged in games. That kind of corporate influence in politics is probably not allowed in Japan. A lot of this is illegal in Japan. So while you don't want a nanny state, I'm not advocating for that. It's also not fair to rig the system in the other direction. Poison is poison, period. So a couple more topics I want to cover. Are you a fan of Ozambic? I'm not a fan of Ozzeb. Well, you guys might be surprised to hear. But why? We want less fat people, right? I mean, GLP-1s and some glutide injections. It's all good. Why are you guns to do? Well, okay. You could twist my arm on the following, and I want to lay this out there.

There are some pretty respectable people in wellness that advocate for micro-dosing it for people who are severely obese as a loud. resort, and you would get me there 100%. It's like an appetite suppressant, essentially. It works in exactly the same way with a fraction of the side effects at a fraction of the cost, which is why, by the way, Big Pharma wants to shut down compounding pharmacies, because you can't do that if you're buying Ozempic and... From Nova Nordsk or whatever. Novo, no. Exactly.

So my personal issue with this is twofold. First of all, it has a host of nefarious side effects. effects from intestinal blockage to stomach paralysis, thyroid cancer, rare but still happens, pancreatitis, people are losing their vision. Anecdotally, you're hearing about suicidal ideation, accelerated aging. Muscle masticay. Of course. I mean, the list is long and it's extensive.

You can never get off of it or you'll gain all your weight back. It's extremely expensive. Like, this is not a solution. And of course, now they're trying to push it as a first line of defense for kids as young as six years old. On the Medicaid schedule, which will cost us like a trillion dollars. a year? A hundred percent. I believe our FK1 said, like, I could give a gym membership

and healthy food to every family in the country if we did this. They want nine-year-olds on OZMPIC. Six-year-olds on OZMPIC. Could you imagine? They have, and right now it's a first line of defense for 12-year-olds. It should be illegal for a six-year-old. I mean, I just, it's

just incomprehensible where this is heading. Well, the American Academy of Pediatrics is essentially a subsidiary of big pharma. It doesn't mean that doctors are not great. People, of course they are, and I work with many of them. Some being the key word, right? Like in every profession. So that is deeply alarming to me beyond the fact that it doesn't solve the root of the problem. So there's a great TED talk for whatever Ted is worth these days, but it was a

valuable talk, and it talked about doctors in particular. And they're trained to do triage. So the metaphor is a bunch of people are drowning in this river. The doctors are jumping into the river. They're grabbing the people out and they're performing triage. One of the doctors starts walking upstream and all the doctors on the shore. Like, what are you doing? We need you here. People are dying. And he's like, I'm going to go upstream and find out why are all of these bodies in the water?

That is what you need. That's the way we need doctors to think. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. What is the bigger problem here? This is not solving anything. And by the way, big food is now working to engineer their product so that it bypasses the GLP1 pathway anyway. Well, there you go.

So OZEMPIC would be rendered useless. So I think a good universal rule is just eat whole foods, not necessarily at whole foods, but it's funny if you do, but just whole mean, and what is a whole food? There's no ingredients. Like basically, the ingredient is just itself. Ingredients, you can pronounce an ingredients that you know. And it's most whole form. Cashews, bananas, right.

Apples. Does it have a mother? Not. Did it come from the ground? Like a Cheeto, there's no Cheeto tree. Yeah. Exactly. And so how much if, is it difficult, if you were to, I think it's difficult to become obese if you just ate whole foods. You could do it. You could, but I mean, the percentages would go down because they're not designed to trigger the flow.

You got it. So they inherently trigger your satiety, right? So when you look at what triggers satiety hormones, it's fiber, it's protein, it's, it's. fat. Soda has none of that. In fact, it does the exact opposite. So you drink a soda, it's 250 calories of sugar. It has no fat, no fiber, no protein. So not only is it not triggering your satiety, it's actually crashing your blood sugar because it hits the bloodstream like a ton of bricks, pancreas dumps insulin, scrapes all the sugar out of the blood as you're on your way to becoming type 2 diabetic. And you have a sugar crash and now you're hungry again. And that's just one of the mechanisms it utilizes to keep you hungry. I mean, they brag. You can't eat just one. It's by design. So really quick, how big would you weight insulin resistance? Are you

carbohydrate skeptic? No. The carbohydrate insulin model of obesity has been debunked by very credible PhDs in nutrition science. And I am living proof. I eat plenty of carbs. If you want to look at it anecdotally, you want to look at it from an observational perspective. The Mediterranean diet is arguably the healthiest with regard to all the pluses across biomarkers and it's 60% carbs. The key is the quality of the carbs. Hence, you come back to whole foods. Ultra processed food, those kinds of carbs, refined grains, refined sugars, that's what's exceptionally bad. America's small businesses rely on TikTok to succeed.

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imagine yeah like the ballagio Caleb what's on your mind when you were talking about the people who are successful in their weight loss because they were replacing whatever that need was with something else what were the best replacements that you observed in your experience for that problem okay so it's not necessarily that they were replacing the need it became more painful to do what they were doing than the work and the sacrifice associated with with the change. So you have to work through the thing that you are arguably losing. Because remember, for these kinds of people, and I say these kinds of people, people who are morbidly obese, that utilize food as a defense structure, it's affording them something that meant their psychological survival. So you have to show them that while at one time or another, this probably kept you alive. Drug addicts will tell you the same thing. Alcoholics will tell you

the same thing. Now it's completely counterintuitive to you. You need to recognize the pattern. You need to learn that you're safe without this. And to be totally honest, it takes years of therapy, not everyone breaks through. And this is one of the reasons I wonder if something like psilocybin or ibogaine would be helpful because we've seen the incredible transformations that it's given drug addicts that helps them work this stuff through at an accelerated pace. It has an 80 plus percent secession rate, but right now you can't do it because it's Schedule 1, which is absurd. So they have to do all of this work. You have to surround them in a community that's supportive.

You have to dopamine detox them. Like there's a lot that needs to be done. That's why it's freaking... Like devices? Say again? Like devices? Dopamine detox? Like that type of...

So think of it like this. The food is addictive. I interviewed an addiction specialist by the name of Dr. Anna Lemke. Yeah, dopamine nation. Bingo. Yes. And she's like, you can talk to me all day long about trauma. But when they're still...

hooked on this stuff, there's no hope. Hence the reason that you would want to simultaneously detox them from the chemical addiction while working on the psychological component and then building in successes with food and fitness, it's unfortunately as simple as it is, it's hard and it is multifactorial. But understanding that is the first step and working on each one of these things as it presents itself to you goes a really long way. Thank you. I do want to get anyone in the line that hasn't asked a question today. I'm sorry. Everyone's, I don't mean to, no, it's all right. No, you're good, man. Sorry, you can still wait in line. I just want to make sure we get to people that haven't yet had to answer a question. Yes, sir. I was wondering, so I recently read in the Epic

Times about vaccines and how the studies with autism and vaccines, how there were many flaws, and they sometimes they only tested one form of vaccine and it was written by a doctor he was saying he was really unsure if he didn't see anything about evidence of vaccines necessarily causing autism just probably Joel Warsh probably wrote it he's great so sorry my question was yeah have you seen any anything that points to vaccines actually causing autism or is it just the lack of studies here's the thing what I can tell you having tried to explore this

with very credible experts is the solid and safe answer here is we don't know because of several factors and I don't want to take up a ton of time No you're right I'm sorry I'm just managing No no no but if it's okay to explain this one real quick

So CNN Okay hold on let me back up You've seen Kennedy say we need better research We need gold standard science Okay so CNN goes out and they crowdsource A freaking appendix, a spreadsheet of studies that had placebo-controlled trials on vaccines. And they're like, look it, he's a liar, he's a dummy. This is all, you know, it's disputed, debunked.

Okay, here's the bottom line. First of all, over half of the vaccines on the spreadsheet aren't even on the children's schedule. Okay? Next, what Kennedy is asking for is an inert placebo. This means one kid had saline and another one had the vaccine. The inert placebo was the saline. You can do a true study on it. But for the vast majority of those studies,

they use something called an active comparable as the placebo, and that means a previous vaccine, which is bananas. Let's say that wasn't the case. And they did use an inert placebo. That'd be amazing. What did they actually do the study on? Efficacy. Oh, it worked 10 years from now.

Okay, but not long-term safety. immunogenicity, how well did your body mount a response to the vaccine? Okay, so that took almost all of them off the table. So now there's like a handful, less than I can count on one hand that had inert placebo, not all of them, a handful of them that utilized inert placebo for long-term safety. None of them were done pre-licensing of the vaccine. So what Kennedy is telling you is in fact the truth. We don't have the studies. Now, I'm sure you saw Hyman Tucker talking about Hep B and having an 1134 percent increased risk of autism. And I could get into all of that, but what they were looking for, and it's no longer in the vaccine, despite other concerns, they were looking at something

called thimerazole, which is a preservative that's 50 percent mercury by weight that is no longer in vaccines. But obviously, if you look up, you know, Mercury and health issues, not awesome. It's not awesome, but it is out now. And there are other adjuvants like aluminum. We just don't know. Like with MMR, you've got three different vaccines now together, not individually.

Have they done those kinds of studies? Same with T-DEP. Exactly the point. Hence the reason he's saying, look, I'm not taking away your vaccines. But there's definitely something going on, and we certainly don't have the gold standard science. Why don't we ask the question?

If this is what's, it's a truism of life. If you have nothing to hide, why are you offended by the question? Exactly. It doesn't make any sense. Exactly. I just, like, okay, for anything, you can ask any question. Like, I'm not saying there's something there, but I do a prove me wrong on campus for three hours. I have nothing to hide.

Ask me anything. Can I do it prove me wrong with the CEO of Pfizer? Can I do a prove me wrong with the CEO of Johnson and Johnson? Your company's worth $200 billion. The federal government basically subsidizes your existence. Can you sit on a chair for three hours without notes and just, like, answer questions about, I'm sorry, you have something, so in the fact everyone freaks out and you're running hit pieces, if it was nothing, then you, the hysteria wouldn't be necessary.

You would laugh it off. Like, you just kind of laugh off. Like, when someone says something that you know that is not true, you're like, okay, that's this person's a wacko, ha-ha. But that's not what they do. No. It's like, hostile. No.

We must impugn your character. Again, I know enough to be dangerous on this time. topic. I also think that 72 shots for a young baby over a course of a year and a half is insane, actually. And if a mom wants to do that, more power to you, fine, I guess. I think no kid under any circumstances should be given the COVID vaccine. I think that's totally evil and totally wrong. That's a gene-altering shot. But yeah, look, I think agency is important, and I have a lot more I could say about it, but I won't. Thank you. Thank you. Last question here. It's been a long day. question on, I guess for longevity, especially when you're looking at my age, what are your

thoughts or your advice with regards to hit workouts, strength training, and I'm trying to go much higher on protein for continuing muscle mass? As long as you're lifting, then you'll be able to utilize it, but if you're just eating tons of protein and you're not lifting, your body can't use it effectively. With that said, I would tell you, look, default to the basics. Don't need too much. Eat whole foods. Get your sleep. Drink your water. Don't drink alcohol. Really minimize it if you do. I'm just to be honest. It's poison.

I say the politically incorrect stuff here, Jillian. But you're actually right. It's poisoning your body. If you want to live longer, don't drink alcohol. Here's what I would tell you with the fitness. Hit training. Tobata protocol in particular, do it, in particular, do it twice a week. And lift weights. Do it safely. Obviously, you don't need to have rupture. Hernia three discs, but strength train, hit train, common sense. It's 90% of it. You don't need to go drink fish tank cleaner. I can't. This is the stuff. Like, you know what I mean? Like, methylin blue. Like, it's just, you don't need to do it. Bobby's a methyl blue guy. Also, one other

very simple thing that is biblical, ancient, and proven fast. Fasting and longevity are a one-to-one correlation. It's true. It's like, again, if you fast for 72 hours, once a quarter, or even twice a year, cleanses your entire body of pathogens. You'll back me up on this, right? Well, not only that, it's not just the Bible. It's in pretty much every religious text. Fasting's all over the place. No, it's exactly right.

The ancient world is something to say about fasting, but also science. We know it. Fasting is so good for longevity. So, I mean, that's what I recommend. Thank you. We got a dash here. Jillian, you're the best. Thank you so much.

Thank you so much. It's an absolute pleasure. Thanks so much for listening. Everybody. Email us, as always, freedom at charleycirk.com. Thanks so much for listening, and God bless. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.