The Charlie Kirk Show - How To Win Back The Youth: Chapter Leaders Roundtable

Episode Date: September 7, 2026

Thousands of young TPUSA members were at the Chapter Leaders Summit in July, and the best of them were invited to join panels of chapter leaders to discuss the issues most pressing for young conservatives today. This panel of college students tell Andrew and Blake what the Trump Administration could potentially do to win back wobbly young swing voters, how they feel about AI and the economy, and more. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com!    Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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So without further ado, why don't we go around the table and introduce yourselves and your school to our audience? Hi, my name is Molly Curtis and I go to the University of Maine. I'm John Paul and I go to UC Berkeley. I'm Joel Devina. I go to Colorado State University. I'm Anna Clair-Hathorn and I go to the University of Alabama. Awesome. Well, welcome, guys. If we had to be able to be. break it down like this. This is a question, Blake and I are always interested in with, you know, Gen Z students and our chapter leaders. On campus, among your chapter, conservatives that probably voted for Trump if they were old enough to or supported him. What are the biggest concerns or issues? What's the number one topic that you guys are currently worried about or talking about on campus?

We'll start with University of Alabama. I want to say we talk a lot about foreign policy right now. A lot of people are really invested in that. It's been very relevant recently. The Iran. Yes, we really dive into that, the economy, AI, social media, basically anything like social, some identity politics as well. So we really dive into everything.

So I asked you for one. You gave me five. Sorry. That's great. I'm kidding. Trust in the administration. That's the biggest thing that I've seen. A lot of people are like, I don't know if I can trust Trump.

I don't know if I can trust the administration. Again, same with like turning point. They're like, I don't know if I can trust turning point about all the like rumors and lines. they're going around and they're wondering what is the truth? Like, are we hearing the truth or are we still looking? About, like, with the admin administration with the war and everything, with turning employee and all the stuff that's going on with the trial and stuff.

Okay. We'll get back to that. I would say I use you Berkeley, there's a lot of things that we discuss. And I think it's kind of hard to pinpoint the number one thing. So I'll probably put in a number one tie, which is economics and abortion. Mm, interesting. Similarly to what you guys said, we talk a lot about. about Trump's war in Iran and specifically the fact that he did say he wasn't going to start

any wars when he was campaigning. And a lot of my chapter members are split on Trump support now because of that. Okay. Nobody said Epstein, but does that, when you, you kind of said trust and I was thinking you were going to go there. Yeah, no, that's a little bit. There was, I feel like there's a lot of promises that were told by Trump, like releasing Epstein, no new wars, lower gas prices. And a lot of people are seeing that. we have, we're technically not at war. Officially, the Epstein file still had fully been released, and gas prices are high, and I've seen a lot of people like, ooh, can I fully trust Trump since he ran on these promises,

and they're not fully coming through right now. One quick note. It's interesting, yeah, because like the Epstein thing, it's much, I think with Epstein and New New York, they're both things that a lot of Trump supporters said. Yeah, I think Charlie said it on the campaign trail, or when he was doing the student debates. So Trump actually was, you know, let me caveat because this will get clip. I am, Blake and I were both skeptical about starting the war privately. We warned against it.

We did what we could. But when President Trump decided to go in, we also said, hey, we're going to support his decision here. But it's very true. It's very hard to stop a war because the other side gets a vote in it. But all that being said, if you actually roll the tape back, Trump has been complaining about Iran since, you know, the 1980s. You can play the clips back. He's been saying very consistently for a long time that Iran can not have a nuclear weapon.

And it's interesting, too, about the Epstein thing. I think it feels in the spirit with the Trump administration that you would chat the leadership. Silence yourself, then. When did that happen? How long was that going? I think of the Epstein thing is especially funny because I don't think Trump ever talked about Epstein unless someone brought it up to that. He got asked one time for sure, maybe a second time, but he got asked about it. And he said, I think I would be inclined to.

That's it. But somehow the lore became that he was going to, this was like a top issue for him. And I think to be fair, it's keeping in the spirit of what we heard on the campaign trail, because he was asked about JFK, MLK, all these files. And he was like, ah, full transparency. And it's what a lot of swing voters who swung towards him were interested in. So the perception did matter. It did matter. So I think the media really blew it out. Right when anything came out about Trump saying anything about the Epstein files or releasing them,

people want to know who did all those horrible things. And once something came out or some of his team started talking about, the media is like, let's run this. Let's blow it up. I feel like that's why it's such a big talking point is because it, even though he only said once or twice he said, it is something that I feel like if you ask everyday person on the streets like, oh, that was one of Trump's main running points.

I totally agree. Perception is more important than in some ways. But it's important to also set the record straight that he didn't actually campaign on that too hard. Okay. But I understand it was really important to the base. It was really important to our students, for example. And who it wasn't important to was the Democrats in Congress or in Washington because they didn't really mention it at all during Biden's years only until they realized,

oh, MAGA really cares about this. And then they used it as a political weapon against President Trump. Okay. And then Iran, yeah, it's interesting. I think he was the peace through strength president, the no new wars. But he also showed, and Trump won't point know that he was willing to use force. He killed Soleimani, the mother of all bombs, took out ISIS. So it's a bit of a mixed bag, and I understand why people are frustrated about it.

I've certainly been frustrated about it. But I think it's just important that we set the record. I want to also, in these things, equip people to know the facts. So, okay, so, and then you said, so we've got economy, AI, abortion, which is great. I can't imagine that's a live issue in California right now. That's a very macabre way to say it. Getting get the pronunciation, if anybody, you guys didn't get it, so it's fine. So, all right, let's deal.

Why don't we just get it out of the way first? So you mentioned the trial, the conspiracy theories. what are you mostly hearing and maybe Blake and I can be of help here. Yeah, I think, I mean, I've been watching the trial pretty closely. I'm especially watching Shane winnings afterwards. I've been watching that live, but so many people

don't care to like actually keep up with the facts. And even on X right now, Candace is denying the evidence that has been shown at the trial, which I think is ridiculous. I think most of us know that she's not going to ever really say, oh, I actually agree with that. It's, I don't think she will turn back. I pray that she does.

I hope she does. but so many people are like, who should I trust? Should I trust Erica or should I do this? Oh, Erica's emotions. Like the reason is everything Erica does. If Erica cries is like, oh, she's staking. If Erica seems happy, she's like, oh, she's not grieving. And she can't do anything right.

And that's the worst thing. And the Bible's very clear about not beating down a widow. And that is what's happening right now. I think it's just horrible. And Candace also said, if Erica speaks about me saying, asking me for a stop, I'm going to stop. That happened a long time ago. And she's still going.

And she's basically debating herself at this time. She says one thing, then the next episode, she's another thing. She keeps saying, oh, we're about to find out where I got more sources. I got more sources. And it goes nowhere. And so. Are any of the rest of you hearing, is it a topic of conversation? It definitely is.

And she gets that information that acts like it's this big thing and it's nothing near. She's just running in circles all the time. But something that I've been thinking about a lot is I feel like people are entertaining these conspiracies because they want charge. Charlie's death to be more complicated than it is. They don't want to believe that alone gunmen can do something like that. They want to think that it's this big established thing when it's not. And I just hate that it's platforming in Candace because it's just lies and it's just craziness.

And I think it's doing a lot of harm. And I just think we need to do something. They want to believe it's more complex. But do you think what I struggle with is why they seem to want it so badly to be people basically on the right when It seems all the evidence points towards a person with a left-wing motivation, which it's been pointed out that it seems like you could, if you wanted to politically exploit it, you could point out a left-wing radical killed someone for left-wing reasons and the left celebrated it. And the left really did nothing to undercut that narrative. It is entirely people on the right who have undercut that to attack themselves. To Blake's point, she's even on.

offered to help Tyler Robinson's defense. Yeah. I just think it's crazy. I think it's because Candace is one of the only people speaking up about it. I feel like people on the left or even people on the right are like trying to not pinpoint on the left except for the people that are believing what actually happens. So I think that's why it's people are turning to people that are on the right. You guys are hearing about this too?

Yeah. I actually will get into this discussion with anybody who tries to even theorize that this is not actually what happened. It wasn't Tyler Robinson. It wasn't that weapon. I have a question. Yes. So when you're tabling on campus, for example,

are you getting these types of questions from conservatives or mostly from left-wing students or both? Conservatives, unfortunately. But I'm a very logical person, and so I try to look at it as if this was to be such a planned and perfectly executed setup, why would they make it so easy to disprove? for instance, I've seen people saying that the gun used to kill Charlie. Impossible that it, you know, wouldn't have made that small of an impact or impossible to dismantle take a part. And I said, okay, well, they could have chosen any other gun on the market to execute. What's the, what is the typical, like, do you feel you hear a particular justification most often?

Like, I feel like sometimes I'll hear people say they believe this and their justification. to speak, Erica Kirk seems weird or something. I hear that a lot. I do get that. The most common thing that I hear when I'm talking to people who are just like, they don't really get super involved in politics. They just like sort of consume it casually online. Is that, oh, I just like don't

really like Erica. Something just seems odd. Exactly. I call it like a TikTok political opinion because they're seeing it on TikTok. So I, you know, somebody said this to me and it really hit me, is that Erica is the most defamed person in

modern history. Maybe ever. I don't know. You know, they somehow convinced the whole world that Napoleon was really short and apparently he wasn't. So maybe he's up there. But like, truly, truly remarkable and evil, vile, like, I know I'm being sort of, you know, calm here, but like deeply angering what has been done because Charlie was assassinated. And then Candace and her ilk have taken it upon themselves to character assassinate.

Erica. And, you know, there was a post by Data Republican where Candace got, you know, very badly ratioed, which was, which was great to see candidly because it chose a C change. But she mentioned that, actually, it was a post before that, but it was also from Data Republican, where she mentioned that Candace had been saying, if Erica says to stop, I'll stop. She's the only one who can get me to stop, I guess, and her husband. And so Erica says stop, so then she had to character assassinate Erica so that she could continue on with this.

And that is a really really awful thing. It's just an awful, but I do believe that God's ultimate, like, justice, like God will win. I actually do believe that in this. And Erica is a

wonderful, wonderful person. You guys have probably seen her around. You're going to see her today. Legitimately, the most like inverted presentation from these people of the reality of the situation of who she actually is. So I believe that the truth of how wonderful Erica is

will prove out and Charlie loved her. I mean, Blake and I saw this like up close. I mean it was actually sometimes just like, okay guys you know, we know you're deeply in love. So I was at an America Fest 2024 and I even like from this stage I could even see that love in each other. I was like I was talking to someone I was like I want that

one day with my future one like even on that stage it was so vibrant that they loved each other and I was back and 2024 and if any conspiracies were real they would have came out before. Yeah, you would have seen some cracks. Okay, but there was none because they were devoted to each other. Everybody on the team could see it.

Every time we landed a plane anywhere and he got off and we got in the car, it was like instantly called Erica, had her on FaceTime or whatever app he was using and was like showing her and the kids to everyone, we're in the car. Yeah, I was laughing. Yeah. And, I mean, like, there's just

nothing but love and respect and mutual admiration. And anyway, so to see it get so bastardized publicly is like for our lived experience versus the online, these people, and it's not everybody, just to be clear, I believe the vast, vast majority of people love Erica. It's like, it's these accounts that get off and get views by like attacking her. But you wrote that. I was just only to add one thing since we want to acquit people. I don't, I think even the data Republicans said it happened when she said to stop.

and so she had to assassinate her. I think if you put in the effort to look at all the old videos, it's so clear it was there from the beginning. She was insinuating. In October, even in October, when this is just starting, she says, she's saying, I think this was a regicide to install a ruler Charlie would not approve up. Well, there's only one person she can be referring to. Yeah, yeah.

Well, and she's attacked all of us, to be clear. So, you know, eventually, you know, Blake got very vocal online. and I've gotten vocal online because it just needed to be put, you know, stopped to. And then the trial, the preliminary hearing, rather, I should say. What was the impact of that actually having the evidence produced in a, on TV, on a stream? You could watch it. Do you think that that has changed the way that it's going to, this conversation is going to feel? You guys feel more when you're on campus, do you feel more equipped now?

Yeah, I mean, there's so much evidence. that we're able to see. And we're not even, at least I'm not having to try, I don't know if you two are at all. But there's so much evidence. Like mountains of mountains and mountains of evidence, all putting at the same person.

Well, and I want people to remember that there's a lot of evidence they haven't presented. Oh, yeah, there's still more. They, you know, we can definitely expect to see them tracking his cell phone data and where did it ping. I mean, that's, they've already said that they pulled all that cell phone evidence off the phone, right?

and they wouldn't have presented this very elaborate, you know, tracking of him on campus, these compilation videos, if they didn't also corroborate that with cell phone data and ping data. So just things you can look forward to. And there's the fact of absence too, which is if there was obvious phone data providing an alibi, the defense could have gotten up and said, okay, this is all stupid. He has this obvious alibi. Yeah. That didn't happen.

The other thing that didn't happen was the state didn't argue the exploding mic there. By the way, be careful here, guys. There's microphones here. So they didn't argue the exploding mic theory. They didn't argue, what else could we talk about? They're not arguing body devils. They're not arguing marooned shirts. They're not arguing Patsy.

Underground tunnels. Oh, my God. And it was interesting. It's everything, right? So they show these images of the text messages. Candice immediately goes, oh, that's convenient. There's a crack in the screen right where we would see the time. as if they don't have the metadata, okay,

which is something she always demands to see. So there's just piece after piece after piece where it's the dog that didn't bark. If the state or if the defense felt that these things would be helpful to them in precluding this going to trial, why wouldn't they bring it up? Well, one of the hardest things is that

someone who supports Candace, they excuse all of her comments and accusations and conspirations and conspiracies by saying she's just asking questions. Yeah. Oh, that one is the most... It's innocent. It's innocent and harmless. She's just asking the important question.

I do want to unpack this a little bit because you're saying you're seeing this a lot on campus. Would you say the people who get enraptured by this? What's their overall political engagement? Do they tend to engage a lot with conspiracy theories? Are they people who seemed more even keeled and then they got fixated on this? Just kind of describe them. bit more. Yeah, a lot of the people that follow Candice's ideologies tend to also follow other conspiracy lines, which will have conspiracy debates. I think it's important to talk about everybody's

opinions. What are the most popular ones? There's a lot about Israel and... Yeah, the Jews. Yeah, Yeah, well, and let's just be clear. All of this, even with Erica, and with what Charlie, it really is about Israel, right? So, you know, there's these allegations that Turning Point is controlled by Jewish money. And then actually, one of the things that kind of forced me to get into the mud with the pigs on this one was this allegation that Turning Point had been offered $150 million or whatever the amount was. You didn't say billions or maybe even billions. That is categorically false. it was an internet rumor.

I didn't hear about it until after Charlie was killed. So I asked everybody as like, is this, like, where's this coming from? Like, is there any truth to this? And everybody was like, no, like what? No. Our board has bylaws that we cannot take foreign money, even if it's laundered through APAC or something like that. If it's American Jewish donors, if you know the provenance of the money, you can't take it.

Secondly, Charlie would tell donors to go pound sand all the time if the vision wasn't aligned or the mission wasn't aligned. And thirdly, Charlie just wouldn't have taken it. None of those things even happened, though, if he would have asked me, this was the other allegation that I was really upset because I was going to make all this money if he took it and he turned it down. I would have told him no. We have so many good things going that why would you get bobbed down with some very, like,

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point out to things and be like, isn't it weird that X or isn't it weird that Y? How do you explain Z? And those are just, it's things that like take very little effort and then have like a huge like draw towards. Oh, they're very seductive. They're very seductive to think that the whole world is 5D chess and there's like some evil like backroom smoke filled parlor where they're plotting, you know, the chess pieces on the global stage and the Jews are behind it all. Like it's very seductive to. The Illuminati. Yeah. It's very, it's very, it's very, it's very. It's very. You need a lot of stuff to present forward to, like, refute a very small amount of, like, sentencing and phrasing. So where do you see this going, I suppose, is what I wonder, because it's, it struck me that it's been rising in this trend has been rising for, at least since COVID, really for the past decade.

Yeah, since Q and then you had COVID. And then, to be fair, the COVID was, there was a lot of lies told during COVID. There was a lot of lies told about Hunter Biden. I still have a lot of questions about 2020. So it's not that institutions, powerful institutions, government institutions, don't lie to the people. They do. And they need to be held accountable. We need to be skeptical.

And you do need to ask questions. You need to keep asking questions. But ultimately, you have to ask, where is the evidence? Where's the proof? And that's where I think a worthwhile questioning, line of questioning, asking, is there something more to this? Is there a conspiracy? Makes sense versus when is it just? cruel attacking of some for some vendetta or some anti-Semitic purpose that's underneath it.

Yes. So it's very, it's very interesting because you, there's in one way where there's are certain conspiracies or like ideas and theories that can be valid in a sense if it aligns up with actual evidence, not there is. If there's actual reason to have suspicion. But in this case, the conspiracy theorists are literally just ignoring all of the evidence. And they have to run on on a foundational view that all the evidence is just false. And that's why it goes back to the Jews. It's so interesting. Why do all conspiracies go back to Jews and anti-Semitism?

You go to a flat earth convention and they just all hate Jews. It's so random. But the reason is, is because since all the evidence and all the facts point against them, they need to say that there is a way that a sort of global elite power or force is in control of all the evidence and they are not to be trusted. Which is why there's no evidence because it's all being covered up by this. powerful cabal of Jewish pedophas. Exactly.

Right? That's what they, and so then they'll point to Jews in Hollywood. They'll point to Jews, I think the founder of, was it only fans or whatever? Is it, is it, was a Jewish guy? There's, you know, like, so they use all of these disparate facts and then it turns into the, the, uh, always sunny in Philadelphia, me, where he's got the like, you know,

um, and, and so, but eventually it becomes low IQ like conspiracy. slop, right? Where it's just lazy and cringe. I'm curious. We asked another panel this, too, but not specifically about the trial stuff. Does, like, at some point, does it, have you been feeling like the tightest turning and starting to get kind of like cringy, kind of like falling out of fashion? Are we not quite there yet? I don't, Blake, I think, said, in my wishcasting. They just keep going. Yeah, and I believe that they will. There's not much else to say. I mean, they're longing for the truth. And if they don't have. Are they, they, they're,

though. If they don't have God as a truth, then it's the Jews. They need to blame someone. And sadly, we live in a generation where we have all these video games and movies and stuff. And anytime there's like a big crime and like a movie or something, it's a huge like way to do it. Like there's always someone behind the bigger crime. And so when it's, when something that happens in real life and it seems so simple, people are like, that's not possible. Well, and that's a great point because ultimately what happened to Charlie and I'll elaborate on this. But let's just say that Tyler Robinson acted alone. Yeah. That is very, and it's deeply unsatisfying psychologically because Charlie was such an amazing person.

He was historic. He was a modern day founding father, a Christian martyr. He was changing the world. He has changed the world. And to think that some 22-year-old, like, you know, I don't know what you want, a psychotic sociopath that had a gay lover and wanted to, like, you know, kill Charlie to, you know, exact revenge for his lover or something. I mean, it's just not satisfying. Like, it should, it should take more than that, right? And, and so I completely relate to that because,

I mean, Blake will attest I explored every theory there was. I went down every rabbit hole. I turned over every rock that I knew to turn over. And I still have questions. And she attacked me for admitting that I still have questions, but I do. I want to know who radicalize me. I want to know why does it seem like other people knew about this in advance, but they all seem to be lefties. There was this Salt Lake City Armed Queers group. They took down their social media. They have ties to, like, foreign funding. And who radicalized Lance Twiggs or, you know, who provided with this black market HRT, right?

So I have questions about all this stuff, and I'm not convinced that Lance Twigs doesn't know more than he's letting on, okay? Like, I've got big questions. but that is distinct from the Jews or B, B, it's the Jews. Yeah, that's actually kind of following the facts and the fact pattern here to leftist wanted to take out Charlie. They send him death threats all the time. We've said this publicly, it just bears repeating. He was actively worried about the trans, you know, trans Tifa, if you will, like coming after him.

He talked about it openly. As a matter of fact, and Danny's told this story, before the debates, before the tour started, he would put together a prep binder and he would study it and he would go through it. And he actually said, you know, let's take a few pages out of the trans stuff. We hit them pretty hard in 2024. We won that battle. Let's like try and lower the temperature. I want to approach them in a softer way because I think he realized that it was like a ticking time bomb, right? So all of these facts lead up to, you know, and he goes on Bill Maher,

Remember when he went on up to Lamar? And he goes, I have jihadis. Yeah, yeah, purple-haired jihadis. I have jihadis that want to kill me too. They're the purple-haired ones on campus. And so anyways, you follow the fact patterns and you're like, okay, all of this actually makes sense. Now let's dive deeper.

Was he radicalized by somebody in this space where the people that knew about it beforehand? And if they should, they should absolutely be held accountable. And I would, if something comes out that Lance Twiggs was more involved or knew more and failed to warn authorities, then he should be held accountable, too. He was a co-conspirate. He should definitely be held accountable. He's got limited immunity. We'll see how far that immunity extends.

I want to talk a bit about artificial intelligence a bit. It was mentioned in passing, but we talk about what young people worry about. And I've had the feeling before if my sister has asked what career advice should they give in their sons, I don't know what I would tell them. I don't know what I would tell someone you should push your kid toward this career to be successful. Whereas I think 20 years ago, you could give a pretty easy script for this is a good thing to study if you want to have a secure career. Right. So what's the conversation about that with people in college? How do they feel about career prospects with rapid technological change? At Berkeley, I can say that a lot of us are very pro-AI, and we think that it's going to be great. We're a very free market. And there's a lot of reasons to avoid being sort of scared about artificial intelligence.

And of course, there's the big fear-mongering about it that it's going to take over all of our jobs because what happens when you have something that can do everything a human can, but better. And I notice when you start thinking about it, that's not usually the case that they're just going to take everything. If I were to give you an example, would you rather send your son to a school where it's just AI teachers, or would you rather send your son to a school where there's human teachers and human classmates with robot assistance? And I think the vast majority of people would rather do the latter where there's, they would rather do the one where there's the human teacher and the robot assistance. And the same thing for doctors and for help and all that, because you can actually be better by having the human connection and the human reasoning and alongside with the AI. And we've seen, you know, multiple, multiple times throughout the history of the United States, people will say, oh, this new.

innovation is going to take away a whole bunch of jobs and people are going to lose their jobs, but humans always find something else to do. And so that's going to be the answer. What AI goes and it covers for us, we're going to do things that we end up preferring to do. I know a lot of people would

have fun spending more time with their family and that would be an excellent thing. So your glasses have full on it, but is there anxiety? This glass is like 85. His glasses is AI all I'm not a different side of it. I work in creative media during like graphic design and stuff like that and a lot of people are losing positions in that.

I think AI has a lot of benefits like if you want to get a general idea. But why would a company want to hire someone to do graphic design, video editing when AI can do it in 10 seconds and for free? That's something that I've been having to struggle with a lot. And I don't think AI does a better job at making some sort of promotional material than a human can, but I have seen like firsthand jobs being taken from that. I'm in a different side of it, so it's not really affecting my career personally, but a lot of people are worried about it because graphic designs in my college and they're having to deal with a lot of that right now with securing jobs. I want to be clear. The position is not that like, so the jobs that people have, they will still have. I think many of the jobs they will still have, and most of them, a lot of them will just be transformed. But is that we will always find something else to do before the Industrial Revolution. What if I told you that in a few years, 90% of your, of all of your jobs,

will be gone from innovation. You'd probably be freaked out. You'd be what's going on. That's a lot of jobs. How are we going to handle that? No one's going to be making any money anymore. But they start creating new jobs. And we see, I think, in the software industry, it's kind of interesting.

There's an upward trajectory of jobs being made there. Whereas, you know, that's one of the elements that AI effects we've seen in the blue collar industry, that AI has been, you know, leading to prospects of it increasing. There are, there's a lot of, one of the way. I want to ask is it does seem there's a lot of, I'm certainly hearing the stories that hiring at the entry level has gotten very difficult. So I'm sure you guys have friends who are graduating and running into that. I was going to say on her point with like the graph designs, I know people that ask, like, even when we're tabling at Turning Point, they're like, do you know if Turning Point used AI

for graphics? Like, is this human, are you guys making this or is this AI? People really care about it. Like, they don't support businesses if they use AI graphics. Like I'm in the music space And if they're using AI to say an artist is coming to their venue, they won't go. They will unfollow them on social media. They won't get them business. So as long as people have that thing of like, hey, we still want humans to create stuff and not AI, then I think will mainly be fine. But the question is, will that turn where AI is just so convenient at this point?

Do we just want to? Well, to his point, though, there is going to be disruption, right? There was disruption with the industrial revolution. And it wasn't always a smooth disruption, right? I mean, the first factory workers probably would like to have a word, right, with the working conditions being fairly terrible. So hopefully we're not going to fall into that trap. But there will be disruption. It will be uncomfortable to this point.

There could emerge other jobs, new jobs. You know, maybe it's more art direction than actually in Photoshop trying to, like, move images around. I want to hear what are you seeing on that? Yeah, I mainly have the concern that AI is going to make people very lazy. you've seen that in class, for example. Writing. They need to be classes harder. They need to get back to paper and pen.

Yeah, we take all of my classes. I did not do a single in-person test, my freshman teacher. This last year, no in-person test. And they were not like locked browser anything. You could use AI. You could have your phone. I didn't even have to go into a classroom and do it. Everything I did at my dorm, we didn't like meeting the class,

take it on our computer. A university. No problem. So do the professors just not care? Because I have to assume I know that's an AI feeding system. I don't know how other states are, but I think it's, Alabama specifically has changed a lot with wanting to have pass, like more higher passing rates. I think you can see that a lot with curriculum with the way that they do testing. And I think there's a way that it can kind of combine because it does help a lot of people study better, take tests better.

but then on the other end of it, you have cheating, you have things like that. And I feel like within my first year, I didn't really learn anything because I could so easily turn to getting AI to give me the information. I think what schools are lacking on, they're not making anything harder. We have so much more technology. And it's like we still have to go to the library back in the 80s, grab a book and read a whole book to learn about something instead knowing AI the question. And they're not making it harder. They're falling behind AI when in reality they should be teaching kids, how can we use AI to actually push us forward? because at this point in time, if you're not using AI for the good, it's going to be evil,

or if you're not using AI, you will fall behind. No, it's not just academics. It's also creativity. People are, like you said, using it for art, and people are using it for writing. And I'm sure if you ask chat GPT to make you a music sheet with like a song on it, it could cook something up for you. And that's not original. Like, yes, you put in the prompt, but you're draining yourself of your God-given talents

and abilities to gain new capabilities. And anything done by AI, I have never interpreted it as better than something that the human mind could create. All the art that I've seen, I've seen way better art by people, any poems, any songs. Like, everything that AI has created, I don't see any originality because they don't have the complexity that our minds have. So very good points. I do disagree with you.

I do think we need to get paper and pen, but that's just, I think there's studies that would confirm that it actually activates the mind. I'll be really quick. The reason why I say that, not when you're, when you're, yes, younger, I think paper pen like teaching people like, what's one plus one, two plus two, it's not fine. Writing and cursive? Writing incursive, yeah. Oh, I'm a big fan. Will Whitney's to learn that. But what I was meaning is when you get older, when you're in high school

in college, if you say, oh, you have to write everything paper pen, people will cheat, so why not just make the courses way harder and let them use AI? I understand that. But I think, to her point, there's just too many ways to game it. Oh, yeah. I'm not saying don't have certain contexts where you can use it, but in general, the deep, deep focus of reading a book of something physical in your hands, of actually having to put your thoughts to paper without the help of AI,

it activates the brain in a far more comprehensive way than just, you know, looking up the answers. Beyond the economic, do you guys see AI having a social effect? Like, do your friends talk about using AI as a therapist? Yeah. I'll speak on this real quick. I actually had a slideshow sent to me about sexual wellness and how like sex bots and all this stuff can be helped to help people with sexual wellness.

Like guys that can't get a girlfriend or have relationships, they can now just have AI robots to fill that like thing. And then when sex bots came in, there was something really disturbing on the slide where it even said at a point, and this is a teacher teaching this, that, well, so this was from Colorado State University. This is a professor of a sexual wellness class. I had the slideshow still on my phone. There was one line that said,

can we use sexual robots up with pedophilia by making child resembling robots? Dear. That's what they're teaching kids in the class. And so when you're having these teachers teach kids like, hey, you can just now have AI for your partner. Now we have the full lust of a AI robot that you can do anything you want with, really. So it's like, are you a minor attracted person? That's what they call pedophiles. Maps.

We'll give you an underage looking robot. Yeah. That's terrifying. So, and they're teaching this in school, two college kids. They're teaching college kids like, yeah, it's fine to have an AI companion to be your, to be your, to be a romantic partner. And it's like, what are we doing?

Yeah, that's disgusting. I could, it's fine. I can see like the radical misogynist of the future, just being like, no,

I don't, I don't want to get a real girlfriend. I'll just stick with my AI girlfriend. I'll stay in the basement. So she does everything I tell her. She makes a sandwich when I ask. Well, aren't they,

in China, aren't they coming up with, like, a way to have a baby with these virtual? Yes, I've read about that. It's crazy. So,

all of a sudden, they're just, like, removing human element point by point in process. I got to believe that the human spirit and the human need for actual connection with another human will win the day

but maybe not 100%. Well, it's scary. I have to work with AI a lot and it talks back to you like it sounds like a person and everything and it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, this is... Yeah, do you guys have Blake's point? Do you have like a psychologist? Have you heard these stories where they use it as a psychologist? Have you guys used to you?

And are they getting, as people say, cooked by it? Like I never had a friend where you're just like this person is going nuts? 100%. Like people are just like, if I ask the question, it's like, does that chat GPT? It's not trying to foster dialogue. Like, give me your opinion on this.

Why would I want to ask an AI robot what it thinks about it? And half the time with me being conservative landing, it's like won't engage in, it wouldn't engage in conversation with you. But if I ask it, like a democratic stand, it will talk about it. But if I talk about like something within conservative politics, it's like, I'm sorry, I can't give you, I can't give your response that caters to one. of the...

Yeah. What chat? What AIs are you guys using? Chat, chat. GbT. A lot people use... What's some Gemini? I use...

I use Grog and Claude. That's why I too many ones. But with Chachapit, I just heard this, that they... Like, Chachimiti still says, Trump isn't president and Charlie Kirk still alive. I've run into that one. I think they have to, like, some people probably just have different updates to it, but I do... That's why I've heard from some people.

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You know, I often say with all the things that's going on in the political world right now, the left is often trying to take everything away from us, it seems. And the one thing they can't take away from us is our mind. And that's the one thing you can always focus on. You can always focus on being virtuous, on being more intelligent. And it's incredibly wrong for people to do that to themselves when they just, you know, they depend on an AI robot to tell them how to think. And they start living out their days, not thinking critical.

but instead being like, I wonder what this source of authority says, as if there's some button on the phone that gives you the truth. I mean, you and I have a direct experience with that, which is the, the, the GROC is this true phenomenon of the video with Charlie talking about. Aerocats. Oh, yeah. They just were saying, GROC is this true? And because there was a window where they basically fooled GROC and to say, yeah, this is an AI video.

You can game GROP with community notes. If you, if you bombard the community notes, like, you know, and they have these like, Discord chats, these telegram chats were like, oh, get that community noted. And so, and that's the problem with the cult following is that they're really devoted and they'll go bomb the community notes. And then all of a sudden, the world thinks that the video that was shown at Women's Leadership Summit is AI. And it's when it wasn't. So it does become a problem. But I agree with what you said that you can use it.

I use AI as sort of a research assistant, right? Pulling together facts, disparate facts, histories of different stories if I want to tie them together and things. And I think that's a totally valid way to use it. Go ahead, dude. Oh, no, I was just going to say with his same critical thing, when we has AI a question it gives us just the answer, but we don't know how it got the answer. And so much of learning for humans is,

how did you get to your answer? It's not about the destination or the answer. It's about the journey. And AI, we don't know that journey. I think that to an extent with that, I think AI has catered to what social media has given us with short-term attention spans, like immediate gratification.

A lot of people are losing that want for deeper, understanding. I'm not saying that they like have better lives that way. But I think that's why AI, I think AI is turning to the next addictive thing of like you need the answer right away. You don't want to actually critically get to that point. I have a real cool question on this. And then I want to talk more hard politics. But data centers, do you guys hear, do they, are people concerned about it? Do they like them? Do they care? What's their reason? We need more water is a reason. taking the water. Yeah, they're worried about, like, especially in Maine,

they're trying to put a data center there. And a lot of people were concerned about the environmental impacts and water usage and kind of a crunchy granola state. It's actually interesting because people haven't often been using it comparatively when they analyze, like how much water, like AI or data centers actually use. This is Blake's one. Yeah, like, if you look at it, like, you know,

I think that the average U.S. golf course, uses 36 times the amount of water. Don't tell them that. They're going to get rid of all our golf courts. Or California almonds. They use like 88 times the amount. And there's like all these things, you know, you hear something like a one prompt is like as equivalent to a flush of a toilet or something like that. But you don't actually see how that is in comparison to all the other things that we use water on.

So if we're going to, you know, start caring about that, then why not these other things? You know, golf courses are for sports. It's for, you do it for fun. A lot of people do it seriously. but artificial intelligence has the ability to potentially save lives and do great things in the health industry and be better for doctors and physicians are even analyzing it now. And they're seeing that there's a lot less problems with the way that I think GBT 5.6 soul is handling and diagnosing things. Do you worry when you guys encounter the anti-data center stuff, what I worry about is, is this just a manifestation that we're becoming, I guess I would say like Europe in that there's just automatic and like skepticism towards

something that's building anything or growing anything. So they're wary of data centers, but they'd also be wary of power plants or a factory or a highway or a train. So it's, I'm going to start by saying it's probably a good thing to be skeptical. Usually I've just, but that has to be everything. Like a lot of people are selectively skeptical and they just want to, you know, oppose something and be skeptical of it for some biases. Ideological reasons. I think I want to ask a kind of a broad question and see where it leads. Do you feel, we kind of started here, but it's full circle, you know, has MAGA and has President Trump lived up to his promises? Or do you guys feel like he didn't or hasn't or hasn't or has yet to live up to those promises.

And that's a broader question of what is the support for the president for this administration like now as opposed to after he won the election? And anybody can start. I'm a big person of we will see. He has two more years left. So we will see what happens in those two more years. And I think people, again, with the Instagram, people want to know right away. What is everyone's thoughts on this right away?

Oh, chat. What is Trump's thoughts on this? Like go on his brain, basically. and everyone's like instant gratification. And so I'm like, we will see. Yeah, there's something. But even that answer, I feel, that implies there's a lot that is undone. There is waiting to see.

Yeah, no, like we will see because people, I said the war is a big topic. Gas prices are a big topic. I'm like, you know, me, I drive a truck. Gas is, that's expensive for me. And so it's like, yeah, I want gas prices to go down. But I also, I mean, I did vote for Trump. I need to kind of trust the process. And we have two more years.

So it's like we will see. And after the we will see period, of two more years, where will I go from that? Who will I want to support? Okay. I think we should be very happy with what we have right now. Because we have to remember, the alternative was Kamala Harris. Oh, yeah.

Exactly. If you look at the, and you compare the policies and you see like where we could have been versus where we're at now, I'm, I voted personally for Donald Trump, and I'm very happy with my vote. On day one, he closed the borders. And we've had, that's something that people are just not talking about enough because the illegal border entries are just gone down drastically since the Biden administration. which is incredible. More people are safe because of that. The 300,000 or so kids who went missing at the border, a lot of them have been found and detected.

Yeah, I think they're not quoting 450,000, and they found, what, like 150,000 of them. Yeah, and that's excellent. So, and, you know, closing the borders like this, this is literally saving lives, because a lot of people have been victims of things, and they said it's people who are involved in the process are just random civilians who are subject to the crimes of certain illegal immigrants. And so he closed the borders on day one. Of course, he's done a lot of things regarding the LGBT or transgender issue. Because of white house for a lot. Yes. Yeah, that's a contrast. We have UFC versus like rainbow flags on the columns of the South Puerto Rico.

Yeah. What about you? Yeah, so I like a lot of what the Trump administration has done for Maine specifically. Like J.D. Vance just came to Maine to talk about the fraud issue that we are having, which She means a lot because I feel like Maine gets pushed under the radar in the political. I know. We're like out of the way or Canada. I also agree with the transgender issue. We are currently fighting that very hard on me.

It's big and man. And I just, I do appreciate what Trump is done. Do your kids, oh, go ahead. I was going to say about, I'll see your other students. I'm really interested in yours specifically because Maine, northern Maine especially is one of those regions that swung from very blue to voting for Trump. It's kind of one of the best regions to get at not the state, but that particular. The state as a whole also moved very to the right. So I'm very interested in what those students are feeling because I feel they're the bedrock of people who would define a mega shift.

Yeah. So a lot of my chapter members in particular are still supporting Trump. You know, we're in the boat where we're just going to trust the process. We're going to let Trump do his work. and we voted for that. The alternative was Kamala Harris. We're at the best we're going to get. And so I think that personally,

there are other bigger issues to be fighting in Maine right now than worrying about every caveat regarding the Trump administration. What about you down in Alabama? I think in Alabama specifically, the support of Trump has kind of shifted. I don't know if it's necessarily for the worst, but a lot of people are very skeptical. I think it takes one thing that someone disagrees with for someone to completely dock their opinion on him. But, I mean, we're like 85% read in Alabama.

It's not necessarily. So you would describe it as maybe less enthusiastic than it was. Less enthusiastic, like the boomer generation there. But like with my school specifically, I mean, there's just not really a lot of conversation about it on the. right at least. Is that fair to say across the board, maybe still supportive, but maybe less enthusiastic, less like gung-ho.

Exactly. They forget the alternative, like what you said. I mean, I think it's way better than where it could have been. And I think they get so lost in what they're seeing online of Trump did this bad thing, this bad thing, that they forget it could be a whole lot worse. Yeah, and we can take a look at the economy

in which the administration has been handling actually quite well. And there's, you know, the unemployment rate is back to their rate of natural unemployment, which is, you know, where economists say that it should be under the Biden administration, it was below that point. And inflation, you know, of course, has been struggling a little bit more recently because of the Iran war, which I think was inevitable. But I could get into that if we talk about it. And, you know, personal income for median households has increased by about 5%. And we just don't see signs of a struggling economy.

Everything has been stable and it's been going well. Whereas Kamala Harris, she wants to on a 25% tax on unrealized gains. You're taxing money that has done existed yet and ever. And we saw the disasters of the Biden administration, how they handled inflation when they said, you know, there's a supply shock going on with COVID-19. I have an idea. Let's inject two trillion dollars into the economy and put more strain on the set up. This might be a provocative question.

So set aside the Iran War and let's set aside Epstein, because we've talked about that in some frustration. Is there a separate policy, maybe a domestic policy, that the Trump administration could announce, make a big deal out of that would fire up the people that you guys know in your chapters and on campus who are in that sort of dissatisfied, frustrated group of Trump voters? Well, I wish Trump was a little more pro-life than he is. I think that protecting the unborn is very important. What other issue? I would definitely say within the economy, at least with our generation, because we're at that point where people are starting to have to make their own living,

going into those entry-level jobs. And we were talking about this before. In Alabama, minimum wage is $7.25. And they laughed at me. I didn't realize that up north, it's a lot higher than that. And so for college students that are only able, really, to be taking on a part-time job, they're getting that degree, don't have anything specialized, yet to be going into a higher workforce.

It can be hard to make rent. It can be hard to pay for things, but we were also discussing that we think our generation is very much of a consumer generation. We get things that we want. We don't budget very well. So I don't know if that's necessarily a job problem or a us problem. So if, like, President Trump endorsed a higher minimum wage federally? I think that could help her.

I don't know. I think it's also kind of our problem with being late. We have a mole on our phone. We can get anything we want at any time. So, of course, we're going to be bad about budgeting, especially when you grow up in that society. No one's telling you, hey, budget, budget, budget. They're more of like, buy, buy, buy, buy. And we'll never forget, Charlie, with the buy now, pay later culture.

I mean, there's a lot of, you know, I would say barriers or impediments to budgeting that have been injected into your guys' lives that previous generations didn't have to contend with. It would have been just as bad had they existed, but you have to be much more disciplined now. Well, they don't teach in schools on a budget. Well, and for example, oh, my. Chat. So, but, you know, Blake brought up the minimum wage.

This is something conservatives fight against because economically it doesn't necessarily make a whole ton of sense, right? I see you nodding along this episode. But it's funny because it's one of those things that Democrats will be like, well, got to increase the minimum wage. And, like, it's completely economically illiterate, but they don't really care because voters are like,

yeah, I need to make more money at minimum wage because it makes me feel good. But yeah, go ahead. I'm an economics major, so I'm all ecstatic about it. He's very smart. Thank you. All of my friends were a super free market. We would actually be super excited

if he just abolished the minimum wage. I'm just going to say that all right. People, I think more people need to study up on the supply and demand curve because it's really simple. Exactly. And what a minimum wage is, it's effectively a price floor, is that, you know, this is the lowest amount that you can pay an employee. And that doesn't really protect the employees at all, I don't think, because, you know,

not every job is supposed to be a minimum wage job or a living wage job. You know, you could be making, doing something on the side, or, you know, you can have multiple jobs or you have all these options available. And, you know, at California, you can get like a job at McDonald's for $20 an hour because that's like what the fast food minimum rate rate is at. And what we see is the prices. increase, of course, because when you increase the cost of the operations, the output is going to increase. But similarly, especially in like local neighborhoods where, you know, there's like a lower

population, the amount of time that these places are open reduce, because it becomes no longer profitable to stay open until 11 p.m. So now you have like a McDonald's closing at 8 p.m. or something random. And it's just, it's not actually producing enough output. So you reduce the amount that is occurring. But one last point on like the whole thing, why the price floor is reasonable or should be significant in this discussion is

what you're really doing with the price floor is you are eliminating the amount of transactions of people who are willing and able to work for that job for less money from actually occurring. Like if reasonably, if I wanted to work at McDonald's for $10 an hour, I can't do that. And an

employer won't, like, you know, might not want to hire me at the McDonald's floor over that. amount. But even though we're both willing and able to do the job for $10 an hour, that's just not going to happen. Yeah, I completely agree with you, by the way. And I didn't mean to gang up on you. It's just if you're, you're actually exposing something that's really important that politicians are confronted with economically illiterate options, but they make people feel emotionally like warm. No policy is more popular than rent control. Yeah. Oh my God. That's another one. We won't make you tear up on that. Let me, we got to wrap this up here because I know you guys got to

get back to some some activities out there but i said one point real quick uh sure i was going to say with minimum wage ask small businesses if they're able to pay their employees more without going to business if you're for raising minimum wage a ton ask small businesses talk to them and be like could you afford way higher pay for your employees because amazon they can but what about the small businesses that we're supposed to care about yeah and this this is a real quick thing government intervention i think is the primary thing that causes monopolies right like who benefits when we increase taxes and we increase minimum wage. Yeah, more regulation.

Guess which companies can afford the lawyers to meet the regulations? Okay. It's the rich incumbents. All right. Last question, and this is where we'll end, if that's all right. And I wish we could go longer. But do you think as we go towards the midterms, as we're headed towards 2028, do you feel like things are getting better?

The vibes are better or the vibes are worse or no, way worse? I think way worse. I've had Republicans. and conservatives say that they're voting blue. Okay. Me too. It's not like unusual that it's occurring this way. You know, a lot of people have problems with what the, you know, the administration is doing like I just heard it from people in my chapter.

But, you know, this happens a lot of the time with, you know, reminiscurations. It's not very uncommon. We just have to see like, yeah, the midterms. We just have to see the severity of it. The number of Republicans in Berkeley is dropping from five to four. Yeah, I think it was. I think I want to say I have this right. There was only once in history where

party won the House and the Senate and the presidential and it kept it through the midterms. I think it only happened once where they actually kept it. And I think it's like seven or eight times where it flipped. So disenchantment a little bit is usual. It's normal. Okay. Same? Yeah, I've totally same.

Well, thank you for leaving us on a high note. This is great. I really appreciate it. We appreciate honesty. We do. We badly want that. I think one reason Charlie was so gallied by the president is he could give him

raw honesty on what young people are saying and thinking about. Yeah, and I know we have to wrap, but one thing you want to see that you think could help really quick. One thing from this administration, is there anything that stands out like? I really wish. For like college kids specifically. Yeah. I would say a big thing for college kids. Most of them, we don't have money and gas prices.

Yeah. I would say stuff to do with the economy, making it more free. market doing things that are actually going to reduce prices. Remember, if we increase supply, that'll increase the efficiency of the economy by increasing the number of transactions while also decreasing the price. Yeah. Deda. It's affordability.

Housing, yeah. Housing. We didn't even really touch on housing, but you want to be able to buy a home, right? People are really worried about buying a home. I don't know. Especially in Colorado prices are so high. Well, you should tell your politicians to stop printing money and build them and stop having 1.2 million new homebuyers come into the control.

I'll have to Jared Pores. All right. That wraps it up for us, guys. This was awesome. Really well done. Thank you so much. Thank you guys, insight. And thanks for being with us at Chap Relations. Thank you so much.

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