The Charlie Kirk Show - Iran and Israel: The Questions We Need Answered

Episode Date: June 20, 2025

President Trump now says the next two weeks will decide whether he joins in strikes against Iran. Charlie unpacks the top questions no one is answering about America’s potential involvement in the conflict, and Sean Davis joins to comment on what to expect in the next 14 days. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com!  Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com! Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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on all foreign affair issues. He took out Soleimani. He took out ISIS. He has bombed the Houthis. President Donald Trump has been a leader who is willing to use American military might where necessary, but not for prolonged conflicts. He's not a nation builder guy. He's not a let's change the population sentiment guy. There's only one nation that Donald Trump wants to build, and that is America. He wants to rebuild this country with infrastructure, a border, rising wages to get rid of inflation, mass deportations. President Donald Trump is focused on pouring money back into America. He's focused like a laser beam on that. And President Trump has earned our trust on all things foreign affairs. So right now you have

Lindsey Graham, you have James Lankford, you have Tom Tillis. They're calling for regime change. They're calling for regime change. But a step before that, almost the entire industrial media class right now is calling for a bombing of Fordow. Sounds good. But I think it's time that we get a couple answers. And we, the American people, deserve answers to this because after the 2020 election, after COVID, remember 2020, most secure election history, everything was wonderful. Oh, really? We all know the truth there. How about COVID? Six feet to slow the spread, vaccine is safe and effective, shut down the schools, mask while you shower. COVID came from a bat. So we were lied to there by the mass media and lied to there by the intelligence agencies. How about Joe Biden's mental decline? Joe Biden's perfectly fine. He's perfectly fit. It's a deep

fake. You're wrong. He's never been sharper. How about the Hunter Biden laptop? That is Russian disinformation that our own intel community signed a letter saying that it was Russian disinformation. Our own intel community did that. Well, I'm sorry. That very same intel community should probably be questioned and challenged because they're the ones that are now pushing to bomb Fordow. The very same Intel community that told us that COVID came from a bat lab and the very same Intel community that is telling us that was Russia, Russia, Russia was the biggest threat ever. You're going to have to earn our trust. You might be right, but you're going to have to earn our trust on this one. We are not going to

blindly trust the Intel community based on the track record of the last five years. 2020 election, most secure election in history. COVID, six feet to slow the spread, safe and effective. So before we commit to another military operation in the Middle East, which might be the best decision, here are some questions that I'm curious about. That I think that we need to have answered. Do you know that Ronald Reagan had Team B? He had Team A and Team B. Team B, I learned this from Steve Bannon.

Team B was a totally independent intel group that would analyze the intel the president was getting to double check to make sure the president wasn't being crosswired by team a all of the the intel experts this is necessary i think president trump needs team b immediately team b could be led by jd vance you could have amaryllis kennedy you could have these incredible people that would double check with the intel agency you're saying to make sure that the president trump's information flow is robust and by the way the president has such good instincts here. Phenomenal instincts. I have no idea why the president all of a sudden is saying two weeks. Could it be that maybe he's just doing a little of a double beat? Maybe he just wants to make sure he gets all sides, no blind spots, because these very some Intel agencies, even though that we have great people

now running them, we have not rooted out all of the cockroaches. These are the very same intel agencies that targeted him and did Russiagate and went and did a foreign dossier funded by the Democrat National Committee while they were lying about it to go get a warrant against Donald Trump to displace him from becoming president. And President Trump hasn't forgotten that. That's why we must trust President Trump. But I have put together a list here, and it's a working list of some things that we, the American people, deserve to know. And if you get angry as I go through this list, I'm really suspicious as to why. We deserve answers to this. And maybe some of these things we don't know. Maybe the answers are there's a high risk. We don't, and that's fine. That is an acceptable answer. Just be honest and tell us the truth.

Because there were lies about the invasion of Afghanistan. There were lies about the Iraq war. There were lies about the Libya civil war. There were lies about the Syrian civil war. There were lies about what's happening in Ukraine. And so before we involve America in another military operation in the Middle East, which might be the right decision because Iran should not get a nuclear weapon, here are some answers to some questions. If Fordow is hit with an American bunker buster,

will it totally take out Iran's nuclear capability? What is an approximation chance that it will? Will the bunker buster actually work? And secondly, what percentage chance that it will take out the entire nuclear program of Iran? I was talking to some people and they said, this will be the death blow of the nuclear program of Iran. Is that right? Because I actually don't think that's true because we're told right now that Iran is 15 days out from a nuke if they want it, even after the Israeli strikes, even after the strikes that Israel has had a week later, they're still 15 days out. Can we play that from the U.S. ambassador to the U.N.? Can we play that piece of tape, please, that we had? It's very powerful. 400. Iran's leaders could have avoided this conflict had they agreed to a deal that would have prevented them from ever obtaining a nuclear weapon.

But they refused to do so, choosing instead to delay and deny. We can no longer ignore that Iran has all that it needs to achieve a nuclear weapon. All it needs is a decision from their supreme leader. That is unacceptable, and this council must urge them to change course. This is today. They're saying that the UN, 15 days after Israeli airstrikes, has anything changed since the airstrikes? I know that there was uranium enrichment facilities that were bombed. I know that nuclear scientists were taken out. The New York Times is reporting today that the 15-day timeline from Israeli intelligence shows that even after all these airstrikes,

they still might be able to get a nuclear weapon. So I will repeat, if Fordow is hit, will it totally take out Iran's nuclear capability? And what is the percentage chance that it will? And if it doesn't work, what is the plan? Here's another very heavy question. How many American troops might die in Iranian retaliatory strikes? You know, I was talking to somebody that was, you know, watching cable news a lot, and they're very on board for Fordow. I said, you know, American troops might die in response. They said, no, no, no, Iran doesn't have any missiles left. I said, well, no, that's not true, actually. They have 2,000 hypersonic ballistic missiles that are still raining terror over Israel, and we should pray for the peace of Jerusalem as Iran strikes hospitals.

And there are over 40,000 American troops within ballistic missile range of Iran. So what are the estimates? Because you better believe the American military and the intel community, they run war games and estimates. What are the estimates of how many American troops will die if Iran responds after we bomb Fordow? So imagine a scenario where we bomb Fordow. So imagine a scenario where we bomb Fordow. It doesn't work. We tick off the Iranians. They then launch a ballistic missile at an American base, killing 100 Americans. How do we respond? Do we respond then with more bombing? I thought this was about a nuclear program. That's a very important question.

If American troops were to die in the response of the Iranian ballistic missile attack, what then would our response be? More escalation, troops on the ground, and how many Americans would potentially die in such a strike? I'm just beginning with this comprehensive list that we as Americans deserve answers to. After we have been lied to so repeatedly, you better believe President Trump understands this better than anybody else. Hey, everybody, Charlie Kirk here. By the time the show ends, another family farm will be shut down. Not because they stopped working hard, but because the meat in your grocery store isn't coming from them anymore. It's coming from overseas where safety standards are different and the quality is questionable.

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He was mocked by the neocons, but Reagan said there is no good option after this. 280 Marines die and we're pulling out. Somalia, another option, another example, Blackhawk down. Sometimes when a lot of American service members die, you back out. Now it doesn't make you look overly strong, but it might actually be the prudent decision. What assurances can we have that bombing such a facility will result in no nukes for Iran? Will that end the program permanently? If not, what will? If that won't end the nuclear program, how long would it take to undo the damage? How long would it take for a country like Iran to build a nuclear program if they really, truly wanted to? According to the U.S. ambassador to the U.N., they could get it in nearly six

weeks, 15 days. They have not been sprinting towards a nuclear bomb recently. So let's say you bombed Fordow. The Ayatollah is still alive. The country is in a very weak position. But because they're being bombed relentlessly, what if a more charismatic, younger leader says the number one priority is that we are going to want to build a nuclear bomb? What does that timeline look like? Does this eliminate the program for good, or does this just buy us time? Because I could tell you right now, a lot of the rank and file that I'm talking to, they said, oh, this gets rid of the nuclear program for good, pure annihilation. I don't think that's right. And if it just buys us time, what does it buy us time for exactly?

And of course, we're clear. We don't want Iran to get a nuclear weapon. Nobody wants that. And if it just buys us time, what does it buy us time for exactly? And of course, we're clear. We don't want Iran to get a nuclear weapon. Nobody wants that. But is this a permanent death blow? Or is this a, hey, we're going to purchase you guys two years. And if it, again, if it buys you two years, is 100 troops worth two years? I don't know. If Iran moved at max speed, what is the timeline to get a nuclear weapon? Another question, have the Israeli airstrikes done

anything to actually prevent their nuclear program? If so, what? Because it sounds like it hasn't. It sounds like they're all saying, well, they're still very close to a nuclear bomb. They've been bombing them for a week. They took out the nuclear scientists. They're bombing oil fields. They're bombing uranium enrichment. Has it derailed the nuclear program? And if not, what has the objective of this mission been?

This is a big if. If bombing Fordow can't permanently destroy the nuclear program, will advocates of a limited intervention pivot to immediately demanding a full regime change war? Because a lot of people are calling for regime change right now. Lindsey Graham, James Lankford, Tom Tillis. What does that even look like? Here's a big one because you better believe the intel community has done this. They run these war games. One of the most important questions that we deserve an answer to, what are the refugee estimates of such regime change?

A million? Five million? It was six million in Syria. And Iran is nearly, I think, triple the size of Syria. So 18 million refugees? Well, that's nice. Where they gonna go pittsburgh springfield ohio you break it you bought it they're not gonna go to tel aviv i could tell you right now

israel nor should they will they accept a single refugee where will they go berlin denver who is most likely to take power next? If the Ayatollah is taken out, who's the front runner? Who's the Kelshi polymarket odds-on favorite for being the successor to the Ayatollah? What do we know about him? Is he more moderate? Is he younger? Is he more religious? Is he more radical? It's Mojtabi Kagamani. Mojtaba Kagamani. Okay, fine. The son. Is he more moderate? Is he more radical? And if we take out that guy, who comes after him? What is the line of succession here? This is an ideological regime. Boy, I have so many

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You should be too. charliekirk.com pre-born banner. We have the great Sean Davis here. Sean, welcome. You went very viral yesterday on X and thank you for your courageous moral clarity on all of this. Not, I don't like people. Oh, what side are you on? It's not a matter of what side I'm on America side. I'm on same civilization. I can't what side. I'm on America's side. I'm on same civilization. I can't stand Iran. I hate the mullahs. I'm profusely pro-Israel. I also have the battle wounds and scars the last five years of being lied to about the 2020 election, COVID, Biden's mental health decline, Hunter Biden laptop, all of that. And so I'm going through a list of questions here, Sean. And I just want to have you kind of go through this with me. So the other one

I asked this because I'm saying, like, here's the things we deserve answers to. By the way, President Trump's handling this beautifully because I think this one who knows why he's pausing this could be one of the main reasons. What are the chances of a civil war if there's regime change in Iran? Since the same people who pushed for Libya, Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan regime change are doing it again. What have they done toearn our trust? Is this about nukes or is it about removing a regime? Sean, in the last week, it's gone from, very interestingly, this is Israel's war and let Israel finish it, great, to America needs to do bunker busters, to now some people are saying we need to do regime change. What exactly is the goal here? Yeah, we don't know.

And that's what I find so frustrating because I lived through and watched the Iraq war run up. You know, they spent a year and a half telling us about all this intel. They sent Colin Powell to the U.N. Congress, at least to its credit, mistakenly, in my view, obviously in hindsight, actually authorized it, which is apparently something we don't do anymore, is have Congress authorize or declare wars. But they spent a year and a half kind of working the public, telling us all this stuff. Well, let's ignore that most of it was false. I feel like there's speed running through that propaganda campaign in the span of like a week right now. And I guess what bothers me, I want to go back to the beginning.

I absolutely don't want our enemies, people who want to kill us, to have nuclear weapons that they can use against us. But I want to go right back to the beginning. What is the evidence that they are, one, about to get nuclear weapons? Where does it come from? What's the veracity?

And then number two, what ability do they have to attack us? So I think even before we get to regime change, which a lot of people have wanted for 40 years, let's just talk about that baseline question. What's the evidence? And I don't feel like we've been given any at all. Just like in the Iraq war, it's being asserted. And it's not that I disbelieve everything that we're told. It's that I don't believe any of it rather than just assuming, oh yeah, it's coming from, you know, people who obviously wouldn't get stuff wrong. I just don't believe it anymore. Like convince me, show me, don't tell me.

And I don't feel like any of that's happening. And I find it really frustrating having seen in the past where that leads. Well, so let's just take one of these pieces. So that's a phenomenal analysis. So somebody just emailed us. They said, Charlie, we have to bomb Fordow because it will totally eliminate Iran's nuclear program. Actually, that's not true. Okay. And by the way, if it is true, then someone prove it to me because we just had someone in front of the UN say they're still 15 days out. They're still six weeks out from a bomb. So by the way, if Fordow is like a death blow and that's it, they'll never get a nuke like you have just eliminated it, then go make that case. But if that was the case, then why are they also simultaneously calling for regime change? And the Israeli government is doing that. And so, again, we have been so misled the last 20 years,

misled on Iraq, misled on Afghanistan, misled on the open border, misled on COVID, misled on the 2020 election, misled on Hunter Biden laptop, misled on Joe Biden's, you know, Joe Biden's perfectly fine. It's a bunch of deep fakes. So you and I are trained as outsiders to look at kind of this narrative war and say, whoa, it's been a crazy week. Let's take a pause. Let's take a breath. And we just need to make sure we're morally clear. Israel is a moral civilization. Iran is controlled by crazy Ayatollah Mullahs. No one has any moral confusion on this program. We're America first. We love America. We grieve when any innocents are dying. Okay, we get all those moral parameters there. But Sean, I can't

help but think that there's so many different components here. Like, for example, if Fordow is hit with an American bunker buster, will it totally take out Iran's nuclear capability? And what is the percentage chance that it will? Yeah, that's a great fundamental question. And again, I completely trust President Trump and his judgment. And I'm so thankful that he is president right now dealing all this and not all the other people, you know, in the past or who've tried to run for that job in there, because I don't think they would have withstood any of the hysteria or the pressure. I think they would have gone right in, tried to do regime change, and were right back in the mire that we are in in Iraq. So I'm thankful he's in charge. The problem is that a lot of these agencies, they're still run by the same kind of permanent

bureaucracy, the deep state, whatever you call it. They've not exactly filled me with a lot of confidence. For example, we had bin Laden, who was the architect of 9-11, killed thousands of American people. It took us, what, 10 years to find that guy? He was living in Pakistan, next door to the equivalent of their West Point Military Academy. We had no idea he was there. So I'm a little skeptical when I'm told that Fordow is the only source of uranium enrichment there. That's the only thing they have to worry about. They're 100% certain that if they take that out, there's no more nuclear threat. Okay, but what if that's not correct? What if there's somewhere we don't know about? What if they have other facilities? What if the bunker busters don't work?

And I'm reminded of the timeless quote from foreign policy sage Mike Tyson, everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face. And we seem to think that as long as we're the ones throwing punches, no one else is going to counterattack or counteract. And I'm really concerned if we go and do this and it's not immediately 100 percent successful, there are some really, really serious ramifications at that point. What if we don't take out the nuclear program? What if that causes them to race into producing something that they maybe hadn't thought of? That creates a really, really dangerous, completely unstable, chaotic situation that will probably make us far more endangered than we are now. And it bothers me that nobody's actually talking about what we know and what we don't know and with what certainty we know or don't know anything. So, Sean, let's go through another one

of these questions. How many American troops might die in an Iranian retaliatory strike? Yeah, it's a great question. And I've seen some stuff from, maybe it might've been the Pentagon or some other sources. And they said, well, yes, obviously, Iran can't hit the US mainland. They just don't have the ballistic missile capability as far as we know. We could be wrong on that.

But they're able to endanger troops in the area. And so I think, well, obviously, that's intolerable. My generally baseline kind of operating assumption is, if something's not directly in our interest, if we're not directly threatened, I really don't want to be accepting any American casualties. But the best way to make sure crazy regimes or evil regimes can't target people around them is, you them is maybe we don't have troops everywhere around there. It becomes a lot harder to target our troops around the world if we don't have them everywhere around the world. And, again, it's us having to relearn the lessons

of Iraq. If we hadn't gone in there and blown it up and created a disaster of the whole thing, leading to ISIS and all kinds of horribles, there wouldn't be people over there to be getting harassed or shot at. And that's something that I don't think is discussed nearly enough. We kind of just take it as a given as if we have no control over where our people are and how close they are to being targeted. I think President Trump deserves enormous credit here that he's not getting from the media because the clamoring from Capitol Hill. Let's play some of these piece of tape here. Do we do we have Lindsey Graham or Tom Tillis?

I'm sure we do. We have endless clips here. And President Trump, he's not an isolationist. He's not an interventionist. He's something completely different. He's willing to use American force where necessary. We have dozens of these. OK, how about this one? Tom Tillis, rock star, Playa Cut 380. It's time for regime change. And I believe that this president should be given a fair amount of leeway to affect that. Regime change. How about this one? 331.

Do you think the United States should assassinate the Supreme Leader if they can? The assassination of any foreign dignitary or leader on this. But we most certainly need to have regime change in Iran. This is the same regime that's threatened America and Americans. This is the same regime that oppresses their own people, that they use the money that they get from oil money to be able to put towards terrorism, to be able to kill us and our allies. They chant death to America in the streets.

We definitely need a new regime there. So basically his answer is yes, we should assassinate the Supreme Leader. So let me kind of go through my questions again. What are the refugee estimates of such a regime change? And what are the chances of a civil war? Sean, what did the quagmires of the Middle East tell you about when D.C. is calling? By the way, they have like, they're saying no shame. They haven't like gone to a PR agency and come up with like a new term than regime change. They're just using the exact same term as if nobody's learned and nobody cares. Sean Davis. Yeah, it's really actually kind of sad and discouraging to see how many DC politicians on both sides have never found a war they're not

willing to send other people's kids to die in. And I'm of the generation, the war on terror, Iraq war generation. I have friends who are over there who are injured spiritually, mentally, physically. You talk to a lot of them now, and they say, well, I look back now, and what did we accomplish? We would go and pour out our blood and sweat and tears to take one little hamlet or village, and then a month later, we'd be pulled out and we'd be back to where it was at the beginning. And that's not even getting into the issue that you brought up of refugees. As our government was pushing Syrian civil war, where did all those people go? They flee. They flee to Europe. They flee to the U.S. When we had the fall of Afghanistan,

a place that we should have been out of 15 years ago, if not longer, we had all kinds of people, not good people, by the way, a lot of them terrorists, flooding into here, claiming asylum or refugee status. This always happens. And you look back through history, whether it's the Middle East or whether it's through Africa, these wars have massive, massive consequences. And as Americans, we seem to just think that if we say or wave a magic wand of regime change, that we'll have Western liberal Democrats in there who will say all the things we have, and they'll have a thriving democratic republic like we do. And what actually happens is you end up displacing millions, if not tens of millions of people. You have refugee camps around the world. You have people coming in here by the millions, many of whom are impossible to vet and often mean us harm. It creates utter, utter chaos. And it is shocking to me, given what we've lived through. We're not

even talking about having to go read a history book to learn its lessons. We all lived through the last 25 years. And to see so many people not learn a single thing from it, it's insane. We just hit $37 trillion in debt yesterday. Okay. And some people in DC are clamoring for yet another regime change war. Why refi.com privacy to loan debt in America totals about $300 billion. YRefi has been an amazing partner of us and it's only getting started. They were a huge supporter of our Young Women's Leadership Summit. Game changer. Largest ever. Go to YRefi.com. That is Y-R-E-F-Y.com. You don't have to ignore that mountain of student loan statements on your kitchen table anymore.

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Usually when things are presented in simple terms in foreign policy, they're usually wrong. That's one of the biggest takeaways of the last 100 years. These things tend to be infinitely complex, very deep, and the potential for mass escalation. So the complexity of this is enormous, Sean, and I think the president has been incredibly prudent and restrained with high rhetoric, but also understanding that once you involve yourself in Fordow, the on-ramp for escalation is rather significant. So, Sean, of all these questions that you and I have, what is in the process and the best way for the American people to get answers? And should we trust Lindsey Graham and the people associated with

when it comes to all things Iran? Yeah, I think the only thing we can trust Lindsey Graham to do is push wars that he's not going to have to bear the burdens or consequences of. I think as American people, we have to do the thing that we always do, which is help our government and our representatives understand you represent us, you represent our needs and our concerns, and you have to level with us and be honest with us. You can't just come out there and say, trust me, we've got the intel. It's right this time. We got to go. Because the thing is, the American people, we're a pretty trusting people. We're pretty open. We have zero appetite for being

threatened or attacked by anyone. I think your average American is far more Jacksonian in their foreign policy outlook than anything. They don't really want to be enmeshed or entangled in foreign affairs or with foreign countries. But when it comes to defending ourselves, they want to be able to do it. And so I think our government just needs to be very clear-eyed and honest with the people. Here's what we know. Here's what we don't know. Here's what we think the best course of action is. And then listen.

And one of the things I love about Donald Trump is he's got his own internal instincts. He's got his own political compass and radar. But the man listens, like minute to minute, day to day. He listens probably better than any politician we've had in modern memory. And I know that if people start telling him what they want, what they believe, what they think they need, he listens. Yes, he does. And he is acutely aware of all the dynamics at play here. He's a phenomenal listener. And it's one of the main reasons why he has he has developed such great instincts over his entire

career in closing here Sean you and I both have seen nothing but lies and deception and misleading isn't it important for the audience to reconsider the premise of what they are being told I encourage everybody here and by the way the premise might be. But let's try to go down to first principles. Right. Go back down to first principles. And please understand the very same people that have been lying to you for the last five years about all the other stuff. Very well might be lying to you again. How does someone get back to first principles here, Sean? Yeah, I think the best thing to do is start at the very bottom. What do we know? What do we not know? Are we at risk? Are we not at risk? What are the likely consequences of doing things? What are the consequences of not doing things? I think this is a conversation we need to be having with our representatives, both in

Congress and in the White House. And the best way for these institutions to get their trust back, which they have destroyed over the last 25 years, is to level with us. Tell us what you know. Tell us how you know it. And just be honest and level with us, as opposed to this tell, don't show thing that is still going on now, which I personally find maddening. We don't trust these institutions. It's not that we always assume they're lying. It's not that we disbelieve them. It's that we don't believe you automatically. And that is a major, major problem when we're discussing things as weighty as war and life and death. Sean, excellent work. Everyone check out The Federalist. He's been great on X. Thank you so much.

Thank you. If bombing Fordow can't permanently destroy the nuclear program, will there be a pivot towards full regime change? What is the plan and the process for that? Is this clearly about nukes or removing a regime? What role do the Iranian people play here? Oh, here's another really good one. Can we get third party analysis, not from talking points on the media? What is the best on the ground sentimentality of the Persian people right now? Because it's mixed. I opened up a whole TikTok where I said,

hey, if you're in Persia, send me a message. Now, some of it could be fake. Some of it looked very real based on IP addresses. But a lot of the people emailing said that sentiment has turned more against America and that people actually are less likely to rebel because they're tired of being bombed. It's actually creating consolidation. That could be propaganda, of course. But we should also let mistest that as well, right? Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com. Thanks so much for listening and God bless. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.