The Charlie Kirk Show - Is The Cure To Cancer Right in Our Lap?

Episode Date: June 4, 2025

Cancer rates among young people are surging — but why? Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong owns the Los Angeles Times, but is also an experienced cancer doctor who has spent years investigating the rise of these "turbocancers." But don't despair. Dr. Soon-Shiong thinks he knows the secret to beating cancer once and for all. He joins Charlie for a wide-ranging discussion that is one of our most interesting medical episodes ever. Email [e-mail] for inquiries about being screened for Bioshield eligibility. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com! Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Well, thank you for that opportunity, Charlie. I think, you know, I spent 50 years trying to unravel why we haven't won this war. And it turns out we have the key in our body. It's called the natural killer cell. And what has happened is nobody's figured out a way to turn on that natural killer cell in your body because your body is a factory. God gave us this natural killer cell to kill not only cancer, to kill infection. And what is exciting, after 30 years of my life, we found the key that could unlock this natural killer cell with a jab, which we now call the bio-shield. Tell us more about that. And then, so, is your main message this, that cancer isn't bad genes or something that's necessarily wrong with mutations, but is it your immune system failing?

That's exactly right. I think, you know, I was, as you said, I was in Saudi Arabia with the president and I was at Qatar. And I met with the Saudi Arabian regulatory authorities and given them all my information. They made an astounding, insightful statement that, Dr. Sun Xiong, what you've figured out is that your immune system is a disease, meaning the loss of the natural killer cells, and cancer happens just to be a symptom. And never have we treated the root cause, i.e. the disease, which is the depletion of the natural killer cells in your body. And I said, wow, you really understood this.

You really got it. What is even more disconcerting is our understanding now that when we give high-dose chemotherapy, when we give high-dose radiation, when we give high-dose radiation, thinking that we're helping the cancer patient, we're actually wiping out the natural killer cell and are then surprised that the patient gets metastasis and spread and say we can't cure it. We have not been treating the actual root cause of the disease, which is the immune system for the history of medicine. So let me try to just ask a question that I know our audience has. A, is it true that cancer rates are going up with young people in particular?

And B, what is causing that? At least anecdotally, doctor, I know people that I went to high school with in my local community that are 35 and 36 years old. In Chicago, they're getting colon cancer. They're getting cancers at a very young age. Is it true that cancer rates are going up, or is that just media hysteria? And if true, what is causing that? Tony, you ask exactly the right questions. That's why I was in Saudi Arabia. You know, 60% of the population there are under 30. And your audience, the college audience, is something that I am very worried about, meaning the following. I am now beginning to see the cancer rates not only going up,

but going up in younger people. I've never seen a 10-year-old with colon cancer. I've never seen a 13-year-old with metastatic pancreatic cancer in my life. We are now seeing ovarian cancers in 20-year-olds, 21-year-olds. It is ridiculous what's going on, and I call that turbo-cancer. And you and I can delve into it, how we can delve into it, because I worry, and your audience are now more aware and smarter and sophisticated with the social media to understand this is a real phenomenon. Yes, it is.

And so what would you say is one of the main reasons that we're missing why this is happening? The immune system is failing. Is it anything to do with happening post-COVID, that actually getting COVID? Is it something that we are eating? Is it a failure of the pharmaceutical companies? Because I can't imagine a 36-year-old friend of mine who, you know, he bikes, he regularly exercises, he moderately drinks, he gets colon cancer at age 36. This is, we're supposed to be getting healthier, doctor. The promise of modernity was that every year we'd get healthier, but it seems as if we're getting sicker. So it is a combination of all, Charlie. Let's delve into it. First of all, we're now suffering

the long-term effects of all the toxins. You're right. What we eat is the dyes and everything that's been talked about with Secretary Robert Kennedy. The dyes that we eat, the issues, the toxins, the PFAS, the PFAS, which is actually used now, believe it or not, as fertilizers, but it's what they call these never chemicals, but it's in our milk and in so-called organic foods. But then you compound that with two things I worry about. One is electromagnetic, really the magnetic radiation that is happening. I don't know if you realize that our pilots in the military that's up in the air here are getting higher risk earlier of prostate cancer and bladder cancer. The idea that now when you get down to COVID, that the COVID, whether it be from the vaccine or from the infection,

the COVID virus, if it persists in your body, is highly immunosuppressive. So if you have the combination of the wiping out of your immune system and at the same time the immune suppression of whatever you have, you're now beginning to see this rise of cancer, colon cancer, pancreatic cancer, ovarian cancer, breast cancer. And very interestingly enough, I'm seeing so-called rare tumors that are no longer rare, glioblastomas. So all these issues now coming to bear,

and that's why I'm so excited by the discussions we had both with the president and his team as well as with the senior leaders at Saudi Arabia and Qatar who desperately want to bring this bio-shield to the world. Yeah. So let's emphasize that. Is this cancer problem happening in distant off lands like Qatar and Saudi Arabia as well, or is this uniquely an American phenomenon? We are now seeing a pandemic, not only Qatar, in Africa and in the United States and in Canada. One of the biggest issues we've got in Qatar and in Saudi Arabia is colon cancer. And I have a fearful, fearful feeling, and this is now published, that the COVID virus is now residing in the colon two years after the infection.

That's now been published by the University of San Francisco team. And more importantly, when it's there, the natural killer cells in that colon are completely diminished in terms of its activity. So it's not by coincidence we're seeing so much colon cancer. And what's exciting, at least for me, in the United States, we have now a trial which we almost fully recruited to prevent colon cancer in patients with Lynch syndrome with our BioShield. Hey, everybody, Charlie Kirk here. By the time the show ends, another family farm will be shut down, not because they stopped working hard,

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GoodRanchers.com, American meat delivered. So let me just ask the elephant in the room question, if I can, doctor, which is some of our audience is saying, Charlie, this must be the COVID shot, that it's the mRNA shot. I'm sure you get this question a lot, doctor. In your expertise, is there any truth to that? Is that something worth looking into? Help us laymen understand how you're thinking about this. It is very much something we have to look into. And it's not a political thing. It's a really scientific issue.

So for us to understand the COVID vaccine as it currently was presented, which was a spike protein, that spike protein was what they call stabilized. And by so doing, it would enter any part of the body together with these, without going too deep into the technicalities, these lipid carriers. So the question is, would these spike proteins, together with a combined infection, cause replication in the body. And does that explain the myocarditis? Does it explain the autoimmune disease?

Does it explain the brain fog? Does it explain the residual replicating viruses in the colon? So absolutely, this needs to be understood and explored. I don't think there's a coincidence between this, what I call turbo cancers. I get calls after calls of patients that were in remission and then got COVID and now they have cancer. So I think that it's imminent and underestimated. The beauty is the BioShield can overcome this immunosuppression is underestimated. The beauty is the BioShield can overcome this immunosuppression. The beauty is that this BioShield can clear this virus from the body. And that's what we're in trials now. Yeah. So I want to learn more about that. But first,

you have such incredible clarity on this topic, which is rare. Because when I talk to people that are just, let's say, part of the system that aren't creative, they are very ideological. You're not even allowed to explore these topics. How have you been treated by the big pharma incumbent actors? Have you been well-received with your approach and your line of questioning? Well, that's a very loaded question, and the straightforward answer is not well received. I don't think any, just so you know, I've not taken one penny of big pharma money, and I've not taken one penny of government money.

All the money that we've spent, and we've spent over a billion dollars in trying to understand this work, as you know, Charlie, I had the great fortune of living the American dream and selling my company so I can actually work on how we can cure cancer. I don't think curing cancer and avoiding high-dose chemotherapy, high-dose radiation, high-dose checkpoint inhibitors

acts in the interests of big pharma. And I think there's incentives that I'm fighting against. And even large academic medical centers where it's really a great profit center to give high dose chemotherapy and radiation. So I suppose I just had to face that, understood that. And as you may know, many years ago, when you tried to help me solve healthcare, when you were young, Charlie Kirk, and if I had known that this, how successful you'd have been on Tony, I would never have let you actually out of my sight. You're very kind. And it's very funny, Dr. Soon-Shiong and I, we got to know each other quite well. You know what? Six or seven years ago, we played basketball together a lot and then we

just kind of lost touch. And here we are back together. It's funny how that works, isn't it? And I just can't compliment your work enough because it is so needed because I'm seeing young friends of mine suffer by this exploding cancer epidemic. And so I, Charlie, let me, let me tell you a little bit with the story that was so amazing. You remember president Trump got shot in Butler. Yes. And I watched it. I actually was actually watched it with horror and a few few weeks later I get a call from a family from that same butler and that family has this boy he's young boy 13 year old with metastatic pancreatic cancer I said oh my god I've never heard of a patient with 13 years old and I said listen this patient must be treated where you are.

You don't need to travel to Los Angeles. Let me speak to your doctors in your area. And their response was the doctors in the area have said this patient should be in hospice. There's nothing more we can do. And sadly, I said, well, that's not acceptable. Let him fly out then. I will try and take care of him.

And he would fly out either every week or every three weeks with his father. And it was so tragic because by the time I saw him, it was all through his body. And this is driving me nuts as a physician. It's driving me nuts that we can allow that to stand. So all of this that I'm talking about is truly, as a physician and somebody that's, you know, trying to find out what's exciting and at the same time frustration, we think we've unlocked the key. I think we found the missing link. We think we understand now for the first time how to outsmart this cancer. As you recall, when we started many,

many years ago, we said we're going to talk about self-healthcare. And you're not going to self-healthcare until you can actually treat these chronic diseases. But my fear in young people, people that see the most wonderful times of their lives, are now facing this terrible dread of cancer. Yes, and not because of any lifestyle choice that they have made. For example, if you get lung cancer at age of 61, you are a lifelong smoker. I'm not saying you deserve it, but there was definitely an understanding of risk when you're doing that.

If you're getting colon cancer or prostate cancer after a lifetime of drinking, I'm not saying you deserve it, but there was some human agency. But if you're 14 years old and you have cancer spreading throughout your entire body, you didn't do anything to deserve that. There was nothing that you did, doctor. Right. No, I agree. I agree. And even more so right now, right? I mean, we had the pandemic of the COVID. And by the way, I argued in 2020 to the powers that be, whether it be Fauci, Collins, the Biden administration, that unless you clear the virus, you're never going to prevent the spread.

And if you don't clear the virus, there's really prices to pay of losing your natural killer cells. And those warnings were not taken at all during that administration. So let's zero in on that. So your philosophy is one that seems to be very self-evident. Activate your body's immune system and the natural killer cells. You call it the bio-shield, is that correct? Is that what you've been, yeah.

Correct. And essentially, instead of having to take all these pharmacological agents or potentially damaging treatments like chemotherapy or radiation, you allow God's design to do the work for you. Is that a fair summary? And then how do we do it? How do we strengthen the immune system? Is it a shot? Is it a routine? Is it a regimen? Is a supplement? Is it a treatment? Please. So you, you characterize it absolutely correct. I will just add a little bit more. The current chemotherapy and radiation actually kills the exact immune system you're trying to protect. So inadvertently, all these

dollars that we spent and all the profits that we made by Big Pharma and everything, actually has not won the war. It may have won the battle slightly, but immediately you can get metastasis. So the question you ask is, how does this bio-shield work? God has given us the ability to kill cancer with this natural killer cell. What we call that natural killer cell and T cell in medical terms, lymphocytes. So we understand when we take a CBC and we can look and we can see the red blood cells and treat anemia. There's never been a treatment ever in the history of medicine to activate these lymphocytes,

which are the natural killer cells and T cells, because we couldn't figure out the key that would turn them on in your body that would last long enough with a single jab. So all this is, is literally a protein that your body makes called IL-15. We have figured out a way to take this IL-15 and put it into a vial, which is a natural protein that your body makes, but allow it to last long and activate tenfold your natural killer cells and T cells in your body. So your body is the factory of these lymphocytes, and we give you that jab. We, however, in addition to that, have figured out a way to take blood from yourself, your own blood, or from somebody else, and in our lab, grow these natural killer cells

into billions. We can now target these natural killer cells and infuse them back into you. So now we have just supplemented, augmented, and supercharged your immune system and use exactly what God has given us to design to kill cancer. The world is waking up to the power of gold. National banks are scrambling to secure it. According to the World Gold Council, central banks added 1,000 tons of gold in 2024, the third straight year of net gold buying. They understand what many investors don't. Gold is real money.

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because this seems so self-evident and dare I say, this is a permanent and much more lasting approach than what some of the alternative theories are. Do you agree with that? And then where is the investment going of these big pharma companies? Do they actually want to solve the problem? So let's break down that question, because it's a very good question. The first question is, is this permanent? Well, I can just give you the evidence and the data. For example, 10 years ago, think about that. 10 years ago, we treated patients with bladder cancer. And if you have bladder cancer, the outcome is it would progress and you would die from metastatic disease. Or in order to prevent that, you would remove your entire bladder.

That's called a radical cystectomy. So 10 years ago, we put it into patients in our phase one. And guess what? Those patients are still alive with their bladder 10 years out and with a great quality of life. We have patients with metastatic pancreatic cancer. And you know, with metastatic pancreatic cancer, that the lifespan is very limited. We published a paper with five-year data of metastatic pancreatic cancer, completely free of disease at that time. You know there's another disease called Merkel cell carcinoma, which is a very aggressive tumor in the skin like a melanoma. We have patients now out six years free of disease, seven years free of disease.

What does this mean is that we not only have supercharged the immune system, we've taught the immune system to have what we call T-cell memory. And in so doing, it is cells in your body that will hide and wait for the cancer if it wants to come back and kill it. So that's what we do. Conceptually, what we do differently from anybody else is, as you recall many years ago, in fact, that's when we were playing basketball together, I thought that maybe the cancer, we could find the pathways within the innards of the cancer with genomics and the pathways, and we could block it.

I soon realized that this cancer on the inside has got so many fail-safe pathways, tens of them. You block one, the other one opens. You block the other, the other one opens. So you can't kill the cancer from the inside out. I realized you have to kill the cancer from the inside out. I realized you have to kill the cancer from the outside in. You have to attack the cancer on its surface from the outside in and shatter it, and then shatter it completely and derive memory that will recognize it. That's the natural killer cell.

So what is different is we killing the cancer from the outside in in a way that will drive memory and be permanent. What other companies are doing, they're still doing these incremental changes and checkpoint inhibitors targeted, et cetera. And they're all incremental. We need to change it where it is long-term overall survival with a high quality of life, and we've already shown that. So what have you learned since COVID regarding this topic that has surprised you the most? Because, I mean, someone like you is a lifelong learner.

You're constantly studying. What in the last five years have you learned that was, if anything, an aha moment that has given you even more clarity in this fight against cancer? You know, what's given more clarity was actually not even the last five years and the last six months. Please tell me. that the disease is the immune system, that the fundamental flaw of early mortality or fundamental cause of early mortality is the loss or the collapse of the immune system. The light bulb went on that that collapse happens when you have sepsis.

Yes. That collapse when you have aging. That collapse when you have trauma. That collapse when you have TB. That collapse when you have aging, that collapse when you have trauma, that collapse when you have TB, that collapse when you have COVID, that collapse when you have cancer. So it is truly the almost like the holy grail of the fountain of long life, not of youth, but how to protect your body. And we just recently had a patient with sepsis in the ICU, got approval with a patient with Central Valley Fever that his entire lung was filled with this fungus. And we gave, unfortunately, the patient the last,

right almost, an ICU for one month on the ventilator, gave them our bio-shield, and NK cells had been infused, and remarkably, the lungs cleared up completely, which not just the aha moment, it's, oh, my goodness, this bio-shield has implications not only for the nation but for the world. And I'm so pleased that, you know, I saw the shout-out that President Trump gave to you with how you helped bring the younger population to be aware that with this president, who is now aware of this bio-shield,

could make this happen when the other previous administration really almost put blocks in the way. So this is amazing. So what do you want everyone in our audience to know as far as empowerment information? Because right now there are people in our audience, this will be seen by millions of people, that have cancer right now. They are going to chemo right now. What do you want them to know? What is your message to the masses? The reason I'm in this suit and fancy-wancy here is because I just had a meeting with the FDA and some other officials

to truly explain the urgency of this because as you know charlie i just i've never been on podcasts until now and i just did one i mean three four months ago and we got thousands of requests you're completely right the desperation out there is huge and to empower I want this to be made available to the nation but it's already approved it's approved just for bladder cancer and inside the approval it actually states legally in the package insert that this by shield is true I knowledge the only molecule on the planet that stimulates NK cells, T cells, and memory T cells without immunosuppression. So the empowerment for the nation is to get aware, to be aware of this availability.

I have to work my way through the regulatory stuff that goes through. And that's one of the reasons why I was in Riyadh, because the Middle East have committed to me that they will make this available to the Middle East within 100 days, next in 100 days. So the empowerment is for people to be firstly understandable, understanding of the fact that our clinic is now fully overwhelmed. I want this to be available to the country. President Trump understands that. That's one of the conversations I had with him when I was in Riyadh.

You know, we're going to have the Golden Dome, but we can also have the bio dome or the bio shield. And what more important is to prevent patients from dying from radiation, not being treated by the radiation, but dying, getting metastasis from the radiation, and that could be prevented with the bio shield. So I suppose it is an active campaign, Charlie, just like you have, where, you know, folks when they even had HIV, way, way, way back and actively campaigned with the FDA, this needs to be made available. I'm not a politician, I'm a doctor. All I want is for us to help people. As many patients as we can.

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Portions of the Charlie Kirk show are brought to you in part by tiktokeconomicimpact.com. Doctor, I want to now ask, will anyone face consequences or have any sort of judgment or justice for what's been done here? And would you call them crimes? Well, look, I have clear information in my possession of the blockage that has been happening over the last four years. And, you know, you notice I said it's not a conspiracy if it's true. I'm not a politician

and I'm not a lawyer. But somebody will have to be able to investigate that and look into that. I can't comment on whether it's considered a crime. I consider it a moral issue that we have an obligation to our people in America. And it wouldn't be right if this got approved in the rest of the world first, when actually the innovation came from our country.

So what if you're, let's just say, if President Trump, I know you've met him on multiple occasions, and Bobby Kennedy, you have an uninterrupted audience with them, and you could have them do anything on this topic, what would it be? If you had the full force of the government behind your vision to solve this problem, what would that look like? That any patient that's being treated for cancer and about to get a radiation, before they get the radiation, they get the bio-shield. The reason I'm saying that is I've already done that in patients with prostate cancer before they get the radiation and protected their lymphocytes. And they've gotten a complete remission from a recurrence of prostate cancer. And any patient who gets chemotherapy, before they get chemotherapy, to protect their lymphocytes by giving them the bio-shield.

And in that case, we've already shown that in ovarian cancer patients, for example, they got the full ball chemotherapy because that's what the standard of care wanted to be, and we couldn't stop it. But we gave them this lady the bio shield, ovarian cancer disappeared, and then she had surgery. In other words, the treatment is the treatment of your immune system. There's never been a treatment in the history of medicine to of your immune system. There's never been a treatment in the history of medicine to protect your immune system. So if I had the full force of the government, this drug is already approved,

the indication or the mechanism is already approved. We do not need regulatory blockade to say, allow anybody to protect their lymphocytes. So the recognition that there is for the first time a treatment for lymphopenia. It's like saying there is an approved treatment for anemia. You give a drug called Epigen or you give blood transfusion. Never in the history, but red blood cells don't cure cancer. Never in the history of mankind has there been a treatment for lymphopenia, meaning your NK cells, until now. What is ironic is there are now, I'm counting,

maybe 300 publications in the literature dating back to 1990 that if you have lymphopenia, meaning you're lost your NK cells and T cells, you have early mortality regardless of the tumor type. You have early mortality if you have sepsis. You have early mortality if you have trauma. So if I had the full power of the government, we have the opportunity to save millions of lives by allowing patients across the country and doctors to be educated, protect the immune system with the BioShield. So, doctor, I now want to ask you an unrelated question, but about your biography.

You purchased the Los Angeles Times. Why did you do that? And how does that fit in with your macro vision to improve the world and help humanity? I did that because I wasn't smart. You and Elon, you have a lot in common, you and Elon. You love humanity and you decided to purchase, let's say, free speech platforms that are not exactly easy to manage. So what happened was, as you know, Charlie, I was born in South Africa. I grew up in apartheid. I never saw a TV until the age of 21. My only education, believe it or not, was a newspaper. I believed by living the American dream that we would have a platform that not only could educate, but could inspire and be honest with high integrity in which people could trust and have a discourse,

even if you disagree or agree on a platform. That was my belief of what I would do and allow this paper not to be destroyed, but to create that platform. Unfortunately, I took my eye off the ball pre-COVID and during COVID, and so it became an echo chamber rather than a free speech platform. Well, I have to say, the courage that you have to purchase the L.A. Times made a decision not to endorse for the presidency.

Is that correct? And I'm sure that was warmly received. To the extent my editors resigned. Yeah, that was exactly warmly received so look um uh it was around october and obviously there's all heated in terms of where it was going and my editorial board felt they wanted to endorse kamala harrison i disagreed and um you're right. I took the decision knowing the consequences of that decision, that that won't happen. And as a consequence, my editorial board resigned, and we lost thousands of viewers. But so be it.

I think it's important to really have voices heard and truth be told and free speech. Doctor, in closing, anything we did not cover that you want our audience to know, how people can support you. And we need to create a grassroots movement behind what you're talking about. I couldn't be a firmer believer in this. Please. Final thoughts, doctor. Well, thank you so much, Charlie. I think what we're doing is profound, simple but profound. I think this president could have a legacy of not just a Peace Prize, a Nobel Peace Prize, which really would be warranted, but having health as a bridge to create peace in the world. Your audience, young, vigorous, and important. I'm fearful of increasing cancer in

young people. And if they could help, and you could help in this campaign of awareness, and cutting through the regulatory issues, then we'd be forever grateful. One of the things I would love to see President Trump and hopefully President J.D. Vance be able to say after eight to 10 years, cancer rates with young people were this, and now they are this. That would be a measurable improvement in the well-being of humanity. And based on what you're saying, it can be done. It can be done. It's not only can be done, it is here. That's what's frustrating. I've proven it in a quilt. If you look at QUILT, clintrials.gov, since 2017, I've done this in triple negative breast cancer, pancreatic cancer, hidden neck cancer,

Senator Reid, and bladder cancer. It's not a theory. It's not a hypothesis. And it's not a drug that's not approved already. So that's my level of frustration. Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong, thank you so much. And come back anytime. We're behind you 100%. Thank you. Good seeing you again. Thank you. Everybody, please subscribe to our podcast. We want to learn more about Dr. Patrick. Please go to charliekirk.com. We'll have all the information there. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

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