The Charlie Kirk Show - JD Vance, Joe Rogan, Epstein, and Israel

Episode Date: July 16, 2026

JD Vance went back onto Joe Rogan's podcast yesterday, where he admitted the Administration bungled its handling of the Epstein files, and sparked a dramatic reaction with frank comments about Israeli influence on U.S. politics. The show reacts, joined by Alex Marlow who also offers thoughts on Chris Nolan's new adaptation of The Odyssey. Sen. Eric Schmitt discusses the SAVE Act and a controversial part of the new NDAA that critics are calling a "merger" between the U.S. and Israel. Sean Spicer discusses the rise of DSA. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com!    Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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interview down as best we can. We've got Senator Eric Schmidt on. We're going to be talking Save America Act. We're going to be talking the NDAA. A lot of people are talking about Section 219 that sort of proposes cooperation. Some are calling it a merger between Israel and the U.S. military, sort of tech, development, intel sharing. We're going to talk all about that. just as a preview, I'm very leery of that. Anything with any country that gives over any semblance of control or sovereignty. But let's keep an open mind. We're going to talk to Eric Schmidt about that. Then we've got Sean Spicer. We're going to go around the horn on midterms and everything that's shaping up the DSA takeover of the left. And then we've got Alex Marlowe at the final half of the

second hour. So a busy, busy show. Blake, why don't you just set the stage for, why this J.D. Joe Rogan interview has taken the internet by storm. Well, it's it circles back to what made the 2024 election so exceptional. President Trump and J.D. Vance's running mate. They ran an unconventional campaign. It evaded a lot of the traditional media, but it went to new media, which as we know is incredibly popular. Far more people watch and listen to Joe Rogan than watch and listen to CNN on a given night. And he has a tremendous ability to especially reach younger Americans, young men, that swing demographic, that Charlie worked so hard to reach, and that the campaign had so much success reaching. But as we know, what swung our way in 2024 has started to

swing back the other way. We have people who are upset about Epstein files. We have people who are upset about Iran. We have the general tendency of young people to quickly get disillusioned with things. and swing back and forth. And so there's been a lot of attention that Joe Rogan has said stuff critical of the administration. He said stuff critical of the right generally. But we've also praised Vice President Vance. He goes into the arena. He goes where it's tough.

He was on the view. And now he's back on Joe Rogan. And he didn't really hold anything back. He talked about every topic you can imagine. And some of them are getting a lot of chatter, which is what we're going to hit just now. Well, why don't we hit the main one first here just to make sure we get it? And this is, they're talking about Israel's influence in the U.S., in our political system. You see really, really dramatic reactions on both sides of this debate. So let's play the clip and we'll talk about it.

SOT 26. But I definitely think you have seen this very discreet, extremely well-funded campaign to try to derail the negotiation and try to derail the deal. And, you know, there was, again, there's this time article that came out yesterday. A friend sent it to me. It's like worth reading because it lists a bunch of people who have quite literally been paid by a former Trump campaign person who was himself paid by certain elements within the Israeli government. And those people are attacking me viciously for quite literally trying to accomplish the negotiation objective that the president's set for the country. Again, when I open up the pages of Time magazine, and I see that there's a literal foreign influence campaign being funded to tank the very deal that I was pursuing. My response to that is, well, go to hell. I'm going to do what I have to do for the American people. Yeah, and I think let's pair that really quick with another clip that I think fills in some of the context here. And it is about Iran. It is about Israel. Satan. If the Iranian people want to rise up and change their government, that's up to them. But we're

going to send 150,000 ground troops in order to accomplish a change in a regime unless the people on the ground themselves want to accomplish that outcome. Now, we're not going to send the troops in regardless. But like to propose sending in the troops, you're basically saying that the U.S. military should do the job for the Iranian people. We're not in that business anymore. We're just not. All right. So let's just frame the debate. A lot of people are seeing these clips and they're saying J.D. is echoing the sentiments of Tucker Carlson. He's Tucker's, you know, Tucker is, J.D.'s mentor or something like that. I think that is far too simplistic. I think what J.D. is saying is something that we have actually said on the show. And I'm trying to grapple with why is this

so controversial to some. It follows logic that being in a perpetual forever war is not something President Trump ran on. J.D. did not go and negotiate an MOU with Iran in a vacuum. He did that at the president's bidding. So to put this all on J.D. or to put this as some sort of betrayal to Israel, I think it's completely disingenuous. And he's making the same point, Blake, that we made on this show as they were pursuing peace. Peace is good. Peace is popular. We saw that in the polling and what is the alternative, right? Right now we are trading blows with Iran. We are, now they're saying that they want to get back to the negotiating table. They just released a U.S. prisoner of theirs in good faith. President Trump thanked them for that. What is the alternative?

We're not going to send 100, 150,000 ground troops into Iran. Now, yeah, you could say that Iran is not somebody that you can negotiate in good faith with. I think everybody at that table, at the negotiating table, including J.D., understands the dynamic there. But I'm struggling to understand it, Blake, when we just heard recently that the Department of War and other intel agencies within our federal government are concerned about Israel spying on the U.S. In fact, the report states that those efforts have been ramped up recently. So I think when we talk about influence in the United States, people get upset that we focus on Israel. We don't. necessarily do that on this show, but it's a fair critique. Cutter spends way more money. Other

countries have a lot more malign influence in this country, but Israel can probably get a better ROI out of that influence because they're talking to many sympathetic voters and politicians, right? And so the influence is there. J.D. just said, hey, it's very, it's very effective influence because it's speaking to a crowd that is, you know, sympathetic to Israel and its plight in the Middle East. I certainly am one of those people. But here's, here's, here's, the deal. I don't understand at essence where the core of the controversy is other than

he's not saying let's go bomb the heck out of Iran and regime change. Am I missing something? That is the core of it. That's that J.D. Vance has become the face of a fight that we know was going on before this administration even took office. It is

frankly, it's the breakdown of the popularity of Israel with the U.S. public. And there's a struggle over that. And J.D. Vance has become the focal point of it. And I'm sure we'll probably be able to discuss it more in the future here because that struggle is not going away. All right. So one of my frustrations with this, Blake, is that it feels like the interests on either side of this debate are so deeply invested that even what appeared to me to be a common sense approach right down the

middle like hey we we like Israel we support Israel but we also understand that they're attempting to influence this debate they don't want to see the MOU get done uh so you know that's a problem and he's basically saying hey other countries are trying to influence us too that's what they're going to do we understand it but American politicians need to be aware of it and we need to keep America's interest first and foremost here it's absolutely it's like a common sense approach it's absolutely a thankless task and we saw this with Charlie because Charlie tried to chart out a similar path and we saw what happened. We had people say he's a Zio-Shill, a fake Christian on one end. We saw people say he was an anti-Semite on the other end. Both of those attacks were completely

false and they were pretty hurtful. And it's something that's going to happen because it is simply the case. There are people in America who believe that America and Israel's interests are identical and sometimes that can translate to if the Israeli government wants a thing. You're basically opposing America if you oppose that. And on the flip side, you have people who basically believe Israel is an enemy nation to the United States. And so we can never align our interests. And you're a traitor if you're not trying to, frankly, like actively give weapons to Palestinians and so forth. And it's very difficult for either of those strands to handle even a moderate path. They see even the moderate path is actually hopelessly extreme and dangerous. And I think there's a lot of people who

actually go down the vice president's middle path, but he's become the symbol of it. And so that's exposed him to a lot of attacks. Yeah, he is that sort of center point in the tug of war, which I do believe, to your point, is where a lot of Americans are. We like Israel. We support them. We want them to be able to defend themselves against attacks. You know, if they are getting attacked, we have, you know, you and I both have a ton of Jewish friends. Dennis Prager was one of Charlie's mentors and dearest friends and continues to be a dear friend of. mind at the same time we can all acknowledge that at various points at any type of you know whether it be foreign policy or negotiations with iran that we are going to have differences of prioritization and that

is natural between two sovereign entities so to the point that with this m o you which was the same point i have been making since the mow came onto the scene was what is the alternative the alternative is, I guess we do this forever war stuff. We, you know, find ourselves in a detent of some sort where now President Trump says we're going to be controlling the straight of Hormuz, indefinitely, and we're going to be, you know, charging a toll essentially for those efforts for the expense that is incurred by the United States to do that. Listen, we are, we have warned about the fact that this war is easy to start, hard to end, okay? J.D. is trying to forge an end to that, and he's being deployed by the president of the United States to do that.

But what's interesting is that some people hear this and they hear anti-Israel sentiment. Me as a Christian American patriot, I didn't hear any anti-Semitism in there. I didn't hear any anti-Israel sentiment in there. I just heard common sense, hey, we've got to pursue peace. We achieved our core objectives and we've got to move forward. And again, what is the alternative? We're not going to be sending 100, 150,000 ground troops into Iran. It's just not going to happen.

There's no will on our side to do it politically or militarily. And that's ultimately what a lot of this is. I think a lot of people have not given up the ghosts of full regime change war with Iran. They felt they came tantalizingly close last February. I mean, I saw that play out. I saw that play out on X in online chats I was in where people who were enthusiastic. Once the bombs started falling, they started saying, you know, a few thousand troops on Karg Island could end this war. A few thousand troops helicoptered into Tehran could end this war.

And you know that if that came to pass and the war didn't end, it would be, well, 50,000 troops would end it. 100,000 troops would end it. Some people have just not given up on this. And again, they're looking around for someone to blame. The vice president has certainly become the face of, he's become the face of the people fighting for a negotiated end to the war, a more immediate end to the war. and so that's generated a lot of attacks. And I don't think a lot of these people necessarily have ill will necessarily have

ill will for America overall. I don't think all of them are just dedicated Israeli agents or whatever. But I think that's what's driving this. And... Yeah, but let's just be clear. What's really driving this is a proxy for 2028. Also that.

I want the audience to fully internalize that. Yeah, because what this is, is there is an internal battle between factions that want Marco to run and they see him as more sort of, I would say fitting with the historical norm of the relationship with Israel. And J.D. Vance is probably a little bit more of a pragmatist when it comes to this, that we have American interests that sometimes diverge. We like them. We want to support them. But where those interests diverge, we're going to pursue American interests.

I would say Marco would probably articulate his position similarly. But I think there is essentially a larger bond of trust between that faction and Marco. and so everything is getting pushed as this proxy to 2028. And again, I'm sitting here last night, not fully understanding where the controversy is coming from until you realize that this is a proxy about 2028. This is sort of saying, hey, he's not sounding the right notes for a certain faction, and we're going to have a larger reaction that probably is justified. I will say there was another piece. They talked about Epstein, J.D. Vance admitted that the rollout

was from a communication standpoint, not ideal. It was a disaster, I think he said, owned up to that. And said that his position on this is that he certainly seems to have ties to intelligence communities, including Israeli, including American. But he remains unsure. So all of that was packed in. They also talked about California. They talked about the Save America Act. They talked about how full of it that Gavin Newsom is.

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Exactly. And this is this from the same people that we're saying you have to have an ID that shows you've been vaccinated just four years ago to go to restaurant shopping or to go to a restaurant? Great points. Senator Eric Schmidt joins us from Missouri. He is one of the good guys. Senator, welcome to the show. There's been a lot of noise about this Save America Act right now. It seems like it's heating up again. Mike Lee's out front. Rick Scott's out front. You're out front. Where are we at currently? And I'm seeing hints. that this reconciliation bill is like it's going to be voluntary. States have to opt in. Please, Phil us in. Look, I think that we have a limited amount of time to do it. That's why I think there's more of a sense of urgency, right? Because we want to get this done in time for it to matter in 26. There's two, I would say there's two kind of tracks. There's, there's what people have come to know as the Save America Act, like the statute that includes. And I'm the sponsor of what President Trump wants the kind of the five pillars, which is voter ID, you have to be an American citizen to vote in American elections.

And then the cutting back on this widespread election or mail-in balloting scams that we've seen in different states, then it's no men and women's sports and no transgender mutilation of our kids. That's the thing. There's original kind of the first two pieces of that. But having said that, that's the piece that if we're going to do it, we have to do the talk. filibuster in my mind. We have to spend the time on the floor to try to wear down the Democrats, or at least kind of just see where everybody's at because they're going to do a quorum call. We've got to make sure we have 51 people out there all the time. That is our best shot on that. What's now being talked about what the House is considering is because through reconciliation,

although it only requires a simple majority, you can only deal with like budget matters. You can't like have a policy change or something like that. So what they're talking about, I think, is to have dollars in there. to support like states doing voter ID, making sure that you can check to make sure these are American citizens, that kind of thing. So look, as far as I'm concerned, the more like kind of hands roan in the same direction is good. I think we got to do this. I don't understand, quite frankly, people who don't want to do it or aren't that committed to it. It's if you don't have, as the president said, if you don't have fair elections, you don't have a country.

And that's why it's important. Yeah, but Senator, I'm seeing that it could be voluntary. So the states would have to opt in for these grants. They're trying to carve out $10 billion of grants that could go to the state to support ensuring that if you get a real ID, that would also confirm you're a citizen. Is that essentially how I'm reading it? And then it would be volunteer. Aren't all the blue states just going to tell us to go pound sand?

Probably. And this is why I haven't seen that language yet. But maybe what you could do is something like they do with highway funding, right, which is if you don't have a 0.08. DWI law in your state, you don't get the highway funding. So that this is admittedly, and I think Mike Lee has even said, this is not the ideal way to do it. But it is something. But clearly, I think we should still try to do the whole shooting match, right?

Which is the Save America Act and the budgetary stuff is something. But it's certainly not what I think people have come to understand Save America to be. Yeah. I mean, this sounds kind of like a disappointment, going to be honest. honest, it should be mandatory. The federal government controls federal elections. The states can control their local elections, I suppose, but it just beggars belief that we can't get this mandated across the states and that it would be an opt-in for the worst actors, which are the blue states that don't want to do this anyways because they know it's going to hurt their electoral

chances. Well, anyway, all right, so what is the timeline? What's the timeline? Senator Salkin said the same thing. And I would also point out that one of the reasons that, you know, I was Attorney General in Missouri, and we fought back against, we beat back Mark Elias in Missouri when during COVID they were trying to change our election laws. When President Trump, I don't know exactly what he's going to say tonight, but I do think to my Republican colleagues and others, there are mail-in balloting schemes. When you have a system in your state that just sends these ballots to everybody in the state, whether they've requested them or not, and you have these drop boxes, it's really hard to detect the kind of fraud that we know will happen in that kind of scenario. So I've been a big proponent of cracking down on this mail-in-balloting fraud,

And whatever we do, I think that should be a part of it. But anyway. Well, absolutely. We have a great example of this from California. I mean, you know, I don't have to play the clip. It's 40 seconds long. But, you know, Joe Rogan, who he's a calls and balls and strikes kind of guy, right? He said, I'm not skeptical.

I'm accusing them. I think they stole the election. He's talking about the Spencer Pratt election. And I agree with him. Let's quickly transition here, Senator Schmidt. We've got this NDAA, Section 219. people are saying that it's merging the U.S. and Israeli governments together, but I guess there's two aspects of it. There is the intel sharing and then there's the tech development, the military

tech development portion of it. On its face, this seems not like a bad idea. And it's not specific to Israel. It's specific to the fact that it feels like a bad idea in general. You know, you want your military to be like completely, you want the country to be sovereign. You want the military to be controlled by the sovereign, not hamstrung by some foreign country. What's your position on this and does it have a realistic chance of actually proceeding and passing? So I'm going to be clear. This is a House provision right now because they're actually on the NDA. This is a House provision. And what that section, I guess, reports to do is it creates a separate office, like almost an executive office outside the president and the legislature to manage this and to coordinate, I mean,

I think even requiring coordination of intelligence. And so, you know, from my perspective, that is not in the Senate, that is in the House. But you know me. One of the reasons why Charlie and I hit it off so well from the very beginning is I'm a very America first foreign policy guy with any country. If our foreign policy interests align, great. If they don't, I'm an American. I represent Missouri and the United States Senate.

I'm, you know, I want to make sure our foreign policy works for the American people. I've been, you know, so that's kind of where I'm at on it. We'll see, I don't know what exactly they're going to do, but I don't want to, I don't want to cede any sovereignty to another country. I'll promise you that. And so. And that's the thing. I mean, sorry, Senator, we have similar arrangements with the UK and Australia, but we see, as our interest with the UK are diverging and they're losing their minds about free speech and Islam and immigration.

I mean, how much longer can we actually trust that they're a country that is, you know, sharing our interests at a very fundamental level. I mean, our values are diverging as we speak. So why get in bed so deeply with any foreign power when you can't control said foreign powers political reality, right? I just, it doesn't make any sense to me. I think the key is to make sure we have flexibility and not to lock in something that we're required to do because circumstances can change. Somebody's asked me why I was so supportive of the president's, you know, desire to acquire Greenland. and he wasn't talking about it invading Greenland, but why is that important? Well, first of all, it's in our core national interest. It's in the Arctic Circle.

Secondly, critical minerals that are there, you can mine them and refine them on that, you know, island. And then thirdly, I don't know what Denmark's government looks like in 50 years. It could be run by a bunch of radical, you know, mullahs or something. I don't really know. So I want to make sure we control what we control. I've been very clear that our European allies specifically need to start. providing for their own defense in a much more meaningful way. We have been subsidizing this. They have been subsidizing by us doing that, subsidizing their social welfare programs, and not

really committed to their own defense. In America, can't be everywhere all at once, all the time. We've got to focus on the homeland. We've got to focus on the Western Hemisphere. And we got to focus on our chief rival for the next hundred years, which is China. And so this is a hard lesson for the Europeans to learn. President Trump talks about it. Vice President Vance talks about Marco Rubio talks about it. This pivot, Europe for a long time has believed that they're the center of the universe in this kind of post-World War II world. Well, guess what? After the Cold War, we never really adjusted. We should have. This was a mistake by Republicans and Democrats, quite frankly, in that we never renegotiated these trade deals that were made after World War II. We never asked the Europeans to step up in a much more meaningful way. And it is now, finally, we have an administration that is focused on kind of the Western Hemisphere and, like I said, Communist China. That is where our core national interests are. and those are the things I'm advocating for. I think you speak that well that we need to. America's been so strong.

It got so easy for us to just see our interests as the world's interests. But we do need this pullback focus, core American interests first before we save the entire world. And I think that's well said. 100%. Hi, folks, Andrew Colvett here. I'd like to tell you about my friends over at Y Reefi. You've probably been hearing me talk about Y Refi for some time now. We are all in with these guys.

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So since we have lost Senator Schmidt, I want to keep going with these Rogan clips. These are just too good. Blake we're going to we're doing it we're going into your favorite topic and that's Epstein Sot 9 he clearly had connections to the upper the highest levels of American intelligence he clearly had connections to the highest levels of Israeli intelligence all right so that's getting a lot of that's making waves Blake that he that that that J.D. Vance is saying definitively that he clearly had ties so I'm sure you've got opinions but hold them to your once one more second we'll play the longer clip, stop four. The problem is, if you go back to the original investigation,

it was designed in a way that was way too narrow. If there was a broader conspiracy, and you know my view is that there probably was, the evidence that existed in 2007, that was the opportunity to get. So you and I could literally do two episodes about this. I have gone on down to every rabbit hole. But it's clear that he was trying to get in contact with people that he felt were influential. He was trying to either influence, people or compromise people. Correct. So it's not, there's some sort of an operation that was going on.

There is a story there and, you know, I will go to my deathbed believing there's a story there, but I can't prove it. And I promise you there's not some document that, at least I'm hiding, that allows us to prove exactly what was going on and how. All right, Blake, I know you've been holding back. Go for it. We've been around the block on this a few times. and I think you and I both know that's the kind of answer

that is certainly never going to satisfy a lot of people where he says, yeah, you know, I think there's something probably there, but, you know, there's no document for it, there's nothing to prove it, and you know how I feel about this at this point. My suspicion is the reason there's probably no document proving it is there's probably surprisingly little there. You can say he had connections to intelligence, Israeli and U.S., but what does a connection amount to?

This is a guy that we know made a huge number of friends. He was a supreme social butterfly. He was very good at socially manipulating people. And he was a very, he was a consummate liar. He was good at lying to people. And does that mean he probably had met and corresponded with and knew a lot of people? Yeah. Does it mean what people mean when they say intelligence ties, that he was a fixer, that he was a trafficker, that he was getting blackmail on people?

All I would say is, I think we should have more evidence. before we actually say those things. And I can't help but wonder, did the vice president hurt himself a little bit by even going as far as he did? Because I don't know if there is evidence that, I don't know if there is strong reason to believe that there's more there.

Well, I will tell you, you know, to your point, the evidence point is valid. I certainly believe that. I tend to be of the vice president's persuasion here that I do believe there was ties. I do believe that there was connections. To what extent those were formalized? They probably weren't formalized, right?

And so there's probably not going to be a trail that's visible or available to even the best investigators, the most dispassionate investigators to track down. But we certainly know that his rise was very shady. I think he was a con artist. I think he was good at building relationships with powerful people. And I'm not convinced that there was some black book with every, you know, list of his clients and the compromise that he held over their heads. I think he was a good time guy that liked to party and was a total skis ball. and he was a creep and a weirdo. And I think he had sexual fetishes that obviously led him down a very, very criminal and destructive path.

And he did take some other people with him. Now, to the extent that, you know, other people were involved in that or were even aware, I think it varies. And I think we should get accountability on that. So I have no problem with what he said. My instincts lead me to believe the same thing that he does. But to your point, unless there's evidence. there's nothing that you can be that can be done now there is a lot of evidence that he was in communication with a lot of people that he was um doing business at a very high level but if you've

ever been around these circles you know that that the relationships are kind of where the rubber meets the road that is how the business gets done so i to his point i don't know that we'll ever be able to prove it but speculation will continue to run rampant and um yeah i mean he he i think he reflects the the thinking of a lot of people out there, you know, some people are, are frustrated that he went there. I have no problem with it. And, you know, it is what it is. All right. So real quick, I think the best thing he did, and it's something I think we needed a little earlier was just the frank acknowledgement that the files could have been handled better by the administration. I think he just said, yeah, very obviously, we messed this up. And I just think back, that's what Charlie was trying to get

across a year ago. And he took, he took heat for it. Charlie was a brave guy. He just said, this is a tough thing. They, they kind of tried to come out on a Sunday night and say, yeah, there's not really that much here. Let's move on to another thing. And I just think they didn't quite appreciate how attached people were to this issue. And that's a hundred percent. Coming back to it and saying, we get it. People really wanted more here and we messed that up. I think is a welcome type of transparency. That's, that's the Trump administration at its best. So here's my take. To sum up the J.D. Van Gogh. interview with Joe Rogan.

Lots of controversy over the Israel topics, over Iran, over Epstein. I am a believer that he is reflecting the majority opinion in essentially every single one of these topics. And there are going to be niche constituency that want him to go harder, that want him to go softer, that want him to, I'm telling you, he's reflective of the larger population. I believe J.D. Vance has remained very, very intense. touch with the base. He's remained very, very in touch with the sentiment of the American public. And there's going to be people on either ends of those debates that are going to get really up in

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that these insurgent Democrats, and what is their solution? Is there a solution to be? beat Republicans, to run against Republicans? No, their solution is to beat Democrats. Like, they're part of the problem. No, you are part of the problem because you're a f***ing idiot. That's the wonderful James Carville with the great bedside manner, as only he can have, lamenting the rise of DSA, which we all should. Here to help us unpack that. And much more is Sean Spicer, host of the Sean Spicer show and former White House press secretary, Sean

I thought it would be appropriate to have you on today because in just moments, Caroline Levitt is going to be back behind the White House podium and taking questions. So, you know, it's a good day to have you on because you know what this is like more than just about anybody else. So welcome back, my friend. Good to see you guys. Thanks for having me. So what do you make of this rise of DSA?

I mean, this is a huge new development. You've seen it coming for a long time, Sean. You've been warning about this for a long time. they are ascendant. There is no doubt about it. I mean, if you just look at this Israel aid vote that just happened yesterday, I guess they did this, what, two years ago, 18 months ago, and they got about 30, 35 votes to end it. Now they're at 104, 105. It is ascendant. What are you looking at when you're assessing the problem that DSA poses for the country and for Democrats specifically? Yeah, and first, Andrew, I'd say that our side needs to understand something.

This is not a joke. Don't, I mean, I think it's scary and it's kind of funny that people are this stupid that they're buying into it. But don't take it lightly. And we saw now the spread of it go from New York out to Colorado and throughout the country. And my point is, I think there's some things that sometimes in the movement you see and you go, that's crazy and that's insane. That's true. But I also think that we can't ignore it, that more and more people are being told they can have free this, free that. There are no consequences to their policies. I was in New York last week for the international. Naval Review. And I said to somebody at one point, I said, look at the buses, the city buses that were going by. And they kind of looked up and they said, okay, what am I looking at? And I said, what does the sign say? You know, on the front where it tells you what the route is. So it says the route, right, N4, whatever the code is.

And the next thing that flashes is fair required. Now, you would think that's kind of silly, right? Why would I have to say fair required? Well, the reason it says it is because the people in New York, after the election of Zora Mondami believed that they were going to get free buses. And then Zora Mandami got elected and the harsh reality of budgets set in. And they realized that's insane. You can't just give everything away for free like the guy. But the lesson here is understand that these guys are running around talking about free this, free that.

And one of the things that I did on my show was don't take my word for it. Don't take Turning Point USA word for it. Don't take Donald Trump's word for it. Go to the DSA website. look at what they say they're for, what they want to do. They want to abolish this United States Senate. Like, this is crazy town. We have that clip, Sean.

No, this is true. This is true. Let's play this clip, just to underscore your point. How crazy. They want to literally get rid of everything that has made America, America. They want to get rid of the founder's vision. And that's not overstating the matter. It's not 20.

We just don't see the point of the Senate. Historically, it was meant to serve very wealthy people who owned a lot of land. And that's still a system that we have today. And it's something we would change. We would expand what the House of Representatives does and make it more actually representative of people who live in this country. So would you like to abolish the Senate? That's part of our platform. And we don't think that's extreme. We think it's a change that would help make this country more democratic. What stands out about that to me, it's extreme. It would completely upend two and a half centuries of America's governance project, a very successful constitution we've had.

But at the same time, keep in mind, an ordinary American is just going to hear, oh, they abolish the Senate, make it more democratic. There's no immediate consequence to that. And so I think when he says something like that, it's a challenge to those of us to basically say, the reason you can't have that happen is because it will upend good things our government is doing for you. And if our government is failing, if our government is not helping young people build wealth, get homes, accomplish the things they want in life, people will just hear abolish a Senate. Oh, that sounds cool. Shake everything up, blow it all up. They'll go for it. And New York shows that can happen. That's why I use the free bus analogy, though, is that offering somebody something for free and it's easy, you know,

I'm always, I joke my one of my thinks it's funny. I'm the sucker every time you walk in. and go on vacation, then they do a time share set up. I'm like, oh, my God, look, a free bottle of wine. If I listen to a one-hour presentation, she's like, you can afford the bottle of wine. Like, why are you doing this? But there's something alluring about free stuff and easy stuff. And so you're absolutely right. When you talk about eliminating the Senate because it's more democratic, you know, wow,

I like more democratic. I like that. That's cool. Like, we should do it until you realize that part of the reason the founders gave us the Senate was a check on the house so that, you know, God forbid Hakeem Jeffries and the nut jobs. take it over that they don't just have free reign to do crazy stuff. There's a reason for some of these things. And when you offer someone a simple or easy or free solution,

usually it's for a reason. We see this in social media all the time. People say, oh, it's great. It's free. Well, there's a reason that it's free because they're gathering all your data and what's that tradeoff look like. But there's constantly tradeoffs that we have to make. And what the DSA is offering people is a lot of bumper sticker stuff, like free this,

free this, get rid of this, make this easier. it is very attractive. I get it. And that's why what I'm trying to say to folks is do not think this is nuts. There's an audience that's very appealing to that they're building. And they're not doing it just in some little vacuum in a lot of urban areas. People are finding a lot of this freeze the rent stuff very attractive. And I think that we've got to be careful that we start informing,

particularly what you guys do is so important where you've got a much younger audience than a lot of us who are out there. and that people don't get bought into at a young age, this notion of everything is easy, everything is free, there's no consequences for anything. We can just get rid of all the bad things that we hear we don't like. So I think it's critical that we are smart and informative and make sure that we explain a lot of these things a lot more and not just take them for granted. There's a lot that I think government doesn't do well or effectively, in fact, most of it. But I don't think that that means you throw the baby out with the bathwater every time. And that's what the DSA is doing.

Like, we're just going to give everyone free health care. Okay, what does that mean? What's the budget impact of that? And it's free step populism. It's something Charlie warned about, and it's completely alluring and intoxicating and seductive. It doesn't work, and that's the big problem. But I think what this guy is getting at, it's almost like they're following the right-wing critique, the right-wing populist critique. One of the things we say on this show all the time is that the Senate is broken.

Mike Lee says the Senate is broken. We just had Senator Eric Schmidt. He's saying the Senate is broken. And so these institutions are essentially falling down. on the job and they're giving an opening for these radical left left wing lunatics that are importing foreign ideologies foreign tribalism and foreign communism into the american system they're giving them an opening because they're not doing their job they're allowing the senate to get completely bogged down in procedural and parliamentary uh issues look at ourselves i don't know if you

have a thought on that yeah well we just spoke to senator eric schmidt about the say back that's past the house it's waiting on the senate if americans here over and over again we could have this change that seems desirable except the Senate's in a way. They'll blow up the Senate. And America will be, we can't go back from that. Well, and that's right. I don't think they have the power to overturn the Senate right now, Sean, because it's pretty ingrained. No, no, no.

But they're changing the Overton window. Yeah. Correct. Not just that. But also, like, you know, maybe you get rid of one piece, you know, you start to chip away. And there's things like I remember 10 years ago laughing. at the notion of pronouns. Like, are you insane? This is like the dumbest thing I've ever heard of. Who would have thought? I mean, just stop and think about it. You talk about the Overton window

shifting. The idea that we're having a debate about what a woman is and the chancellor of UC San Francisco, I think it was, testified in front of Congress this week and said, I will admit, this is the case, the chancellor of university that the majority of births happened to women. And I'm like, nope, not the majority. But the idea that that is even something that that is a discussion is insane. And so when I say I'm warning people, if you said to me 10 years ago, we'd be having this debate,

I would tell you you are nuts. And we're now having this debate. And I go, just trust me, it's inching towards us. Well, it if you think that sounds extreme, all of a sudden, packing the Supreme Court doesn't seem so crazy anymore. Hi, folks, Andrew Colvett here.

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people ask me, Joe, what are you been doing? I've written a book about my time as president. It's called Promise Me America. It's about the challenge we face as a nation about the decisions I made and why I made them. Leading the country through COVID, rebuilding our economy, and restoring our democracy

after the attack on January 6th. Any of our nation's longest war in Afghanistan, strengthening NATO and supporting Ukraine. It's about why I chose to run for re-election and why I chose to step aside. I hope he'll read it and I hope it strengthens your faith in what we can do as a nation and a people.

You know, I want to see... The book is called Promise Me America, but it should be titled opposite. Like anything he suggests why he did something, do the opposite of it. It should be the opposite book. Go ahead, Blake. I want to see President Biden ambushed somewhere

and someone just asks him, what is said in this book? Yeah, yeah. That's the, well, the reason why that's an important question is he didn't write it and he didn't read it. And the video is painful to watch. I mean, look, here's the deal. I, I'm dead serious when I say this. I'm a political junkie.

Like, I'll read anything. I read Corinne John Pierre's book. I'm the person. I'm the guy. So that sale that she got. You're the one. Yeah, I read Hunter's book, by the way, too. So I'll read anything.

and I won't read that. That's a joke. I mean, let's be honest. There's no one in their right mind that believes that he wrote it, that he knows what's in it. So, like, that's, but the other thing is I made the point at the top, Andrew, about it being a trailer for a reason. Because a trailer, like we see him all the time for movies, is meant to get people excited. Like, go watch this movie. Tom Cruise flies off of an airplane and whatever.

He jumps off. Like, wow, I got to go see it. Right. I don't think that did it. That, that scares me to think that he could have, like, he, that's, that's a edited Hollywood trailer. And he sounds like I, I literally, I will, I will do this. Play it again. And you guys try to, um, uh, annotate it for me. I didn't understand how it. He's like, he was, you, Joe. I'm like, what did he say? And that's the edited version. I honestly Start the video What is the first line That I'm not playing it again I won't play that again for

We'll lose a lot of it I won't play it again I can't put our audience through this Do you know how many takes they had to have done Finally they were like We'll use that one We'll use that one Like they got a 45 minute window

That's all they got Sean And also like It's just so that's like look And this thing got pushed back Initially it was supposed to be in September And I think everybody said No You cannot have this come out before the election.

We do not need to have another discussion about how incompetent you were. And also, let's, again, one last thing. One last thing. The issues he brings up, I recovered the nation from January 6th. What was it that you did? Number one. Number two, I led the country through coronavirus. Really?

Knowing what we know now, you want to take credit for that? I took us out of Afghanistan. Holy, I mean, like, what is missing with this? I also pardoned Hunter. I mean, what did you? He didn't. These are your highlights? Oh my gosh.

That's it. That's all he's got. That's all he's got. Sean, but interestingly enough, I think that insight is key. He's doing it after the midterms because they don't want him to, you know, be a weight on Democrat candidates across the country. We are now back in this conflict with Iran. It's now Connecticut again. We're bombing.

It's the MOU is not proceeding at this point. Now they said they want to call. They released a prisoner. They want to talk again. Okay, fine. talk about you are you are watching the midterms very very closely you got two minutes the floor is yours what are our chances what do you predicts going to happen all right so look here's what i'll tell you about iran iran is politically there's no upside zero not whatever president trump did this for the right

reasons i believe that making sure that iran doesn't have a nuclear weapon and making sure that the threat of iran stays on their shores not ours is the right policy decision it wasn't a political decision it's the kind of thing you do as president for the good of the country and he did the right thing. Politically speaking, there's three things that Republicans need to do. One, tell us what you did. What did you do to make our lives better? Why are we in the place that we are now? Two, what will you do to make our lives even better, more better, better, better or if that's a phrase. And then three is remind us the downside of the alternative, which is the Democratic Party and how bad they would be and how crazy their policies are. They need to do that. That's the only thing they should do. Now, why do we have?

what do we have in our favor? Redistricting, that picks up about 12 to 14 seats. That gives us, I mean, like anything else, 12 to 14 right off the goal, right? So that's how many points we have on the board. That helps us. Two, we have a massive financial advantage in terms of money raised. In the Supreme Court, gave us a huge win last week. And three, the Democrats are in massive disarrays we discussed just a minute ago in terms of their socialist tendencies. We are in good shape. I have the Senate right now. Republicans keep it. It might be 52. It might be 51, but we keep it. In the House, right now, I've got us at 212 seats, which means we're six short of taking the majority. We have 18 seats in play, meaning Republicans need to win one of every three seats to maintain a majority.

I like those odds, especially with the advantages that I just pushed out. Anyone who tells you that it's a foregone conclusion is a moron, does not understand how it all works. Anyone who tells you in Leeds by, historically speaking, is admitting their ignorance to how politics works. We have a massive financial advantage. We have a master free districting advantage and the Dems are in disarray. I'm not saying we're going to keep it, but I think we have a really good chance. Just keep rolling those DSA clips on every ad. No buck, silly.

Sean Spicer, thank you, my friend. We'll see you. You back, guys. Take care. Good conversation is about respect. It's how we create a space where people are able to share their ideas and be heard. Charlie knew that. Turning Point still knows that.

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Andrew, thanks for having me. Thanks for plugging Bright Bart. And Blake, great to see you. I got to say I was looking at doing a traffic analysis, which is a painful part of the job. I just want to live in the headlines all day. But I got to tell you, we're tonning it on our app. So those of you who have the Bright Bart Bart app, please thank you because you guys are there and hanging out.

And if you don't have the app, then I highly recommend it because clearly there's a massive audience there that I was pleasantly surprised at how many people are on that app all day. So Bright Bart Bart app for all your latest headlines. This is news to you. You're just realizing how popular the app was. I know. I don't actually use the app. Yeah. No, this is news to me.

I don't use the app. I just go to the website. I go straight to the website on my phone and on my desktop. My favorite way is on my desktop just to read and then put my phone away. But a lot of people love that phone app. So a thank you to those in the audience. I feel like such a dinosaur. I use basically no apps for anything.

I don't even use the Gmail app. I go to my online app and I go to gmail.com and I read all my emails that way. This is why I brought it up because that's how I do my email. That's how I don't want to use the app. But apparently a lot of you guys do. and thank you. And apparently people like it who go over there. So please use the app. We have a Charlie Kirk Show app that a lot of people use, too. We do. And I don't ever talk about it. So check that out as well. I want to play this clip and let's talk about it because it's being

promoted this press conference by President Trump tonight. It's kind of a big deal, a big line in the sand. We know it's central to the president's mission to clean up our elections. Soap 32. It's good to see you. Good to be in this room. I'm glad everybody showed up today. Let's get back to work. We're going to begin with a few scheduling announcements. Tonight, as you all know, at 9 o'clock p.m. Eastern, President Trump will deliver a major address to the nation on protecting the integrity of our elections. So that was the first thing she said coming back to the podium at the White House as White House press secretary. Alex, I'm hesitant to expect too much because I've been so disappointed on this front so many times. I think it's something everybody in this audience is willing to acknowledge.

We have problems in our election. Just look at Spencer Pratt in L.A. Look at so many issues. Too big to rig. We believe that Trump won despite shenanigans. We might have lost some Senate seats because of shenanigans, especially in the upper Midwest. What are you expecting? What are you hearing about tonight's presser?

Yeah. He is a man who takes election integrity very seriously. It's interesting because you guys have been kind to promote over and over again, my last book, Breaking the Law, where I go through all these cases against President Trump. And a lot of them were kind of predicated on. on him thinking it was sort of an act that he was fired up about 2020 being stolen, that people thought that there was just something he was using to manipulate. But he is unequivocally convinced that that election got stolen from him.

It's not a joke. He's not faking it. This is not some sort of a calculation that he really believes it. And so that is core to his being because I think he feels like that cascade of not being president, massive humiliation, all of the lawsuits, the J6 kangaroo court, all of that came from that election getting stolen. And when you see the math, it just doesn't add up. I could do all the list of Biden getting a record level of votes.

The Mark Zuckerberg drop boxes, which looks like they've since made up over that, which is interesting. But so many improprieties in that election and all the things in Georgia where all of a sudden they were accepting all these ballots. They never would have accepted until weeks before when the rules were changed. All these improprieties, Trump is thinking we got to stop this. And then you see case after case after case, all these Democrats lately admitting the, they'll never win another election if they have voter ID, at least not in the swing states. If you have to bring a voter ID to the polls, and then you look at California where I'm at, where they intentionally mail out ballots to people who are ineligible to vote,

the craziest thing you could ever imagine if you want to have election integrity, we proactively give ballots to ineligible people. Trump is looking at all that and saying, we got to do something or else I'm not as successful as I can be. Yeah, on that note, let's go ahead and play. I want to play this earlier. I'm going to do it now. And this is Joe Rogan to J.D. Vance on the California elections, specifically Spencer Pratt. Stop five.

Well, it's just very disheartening that you have to consider the fact that it's really possible that the elections get stolen. And the California one was a big one for me. I'm not skeptical. I'm not skeptical. I'm accusing them. I think they stole the election. Yes. And I think it's common.

And, you know, this idea that elections can't be stolen, I always say to people, okay, do you think that the amount of election fraud is zero percent? No one thinks that. And I think they cheat. And I think they've been doing it forever. And I don't think there's any other reason why you would have no voter ID. Watching that, I just think about I'd have this conversation with Charlie and with others. And as he said, do you think it's zero percent? Well, if it's not 0%, where is it coming from?

And so much of it is, yeah, if you're sending ballots to ineligible people, or you're sending ballots to just literally anyone, and you're allowing people to be paid to get people to sign up, paid to collect ballots. People can harvest as many ballots as they want. You're decentralizing the process. And I think that's the real secret weapon that Democrats have benefited from is when they can decentralize the process of potential fraud. Like mail ballots. You send a mail ballot to everyone, and someone goes and they fill out all of their family's ballots. They nag them to sign it. They hand it to a harvester, turn it in.

That is illegal behavior. That is a crime. Is that a crime that's ever going to be prosecuted? Definitely not in the state of California. And when you play that out all over the country, you leave people with a process that they feel they can't trust. Oh, and they're collecting ballots, of course, in days and weeks after the official election day. they have a process they don't trust they have a process where there's little bits here and there that you can insert votes that shouldn't be counted and people don't trust it and the president is so correct to fight for a process that not only makes fraud harder but especially looks like it is a lot less fraudulent and fairer or otherwise people are going to check out and think it's all all fake i got to say that watching this clip yeah jd had a great jd had a great response where he said well if you guys think there's no fraud then just let's have the IDs and then we'll feel better about it, then you can prove how all of us are wrong,

which I thought was a great point. But if you look at how they do it in California, IDs are banned. Like you can't even, you can't even show them. Homeless are obviously paid to vote. There's no way to stop that is happening. Ballot harvesting where people are allowed to collect votes, so you even have to go and go to get to a mailbox to be able to vote. So the least interested people are voting.

There's ballot curing, so there's any mistakes. You can then fix your vote, quote-unquote mistakes. We count ballots long after election day. The signature verification is non-existent. Voter rolls don't ever get depleted. and audited. It's nonstop, every single place where you could find fraud. And this is why Blake's point is the most important point you can make is the decentralization.

There's so many ways and moments where you can interfere and cheat. And that's why they like that system because they know it would take a Herculean effort to police all of it. So we need to have much more standardization and make it so that there are fewer fail points, fewer points where you're in a scenario where someone can manipulate. One of the biggest ones that stands out to me. And I just remember this. Think about the number of people we have in care homes, people getting dementia, Alzheimer's,

people who clearly do not really have the ability to know what ballot they're casting. Well, we've had endless suspicious cases where a lot of ballots have been collected from a care home. You can imagine these carers going around, oh, do you want to have a vote? Oh, I can help you fill out this ballot. You're always allowed to help people fill out ballots. You can provide interpreters on ballots. One of the most obvious ways. And are we going to be able to have investigators go and,

police every nursing home, prosecute every nurse or caregiver who does something suspicious, there's so much of that out there. And it says everything that Democrats are just going to put their hand down and say, there's no problem. We're not going to look for a problem. We're going to claim there's no problem specifically because we don't investigate. And then we can say, oh, no one, no one ever gets convicted of this since we don't investigate for it. It's just such a giant travesty and a sham. And a lot of the people who would fix it came from as a country. Yeah, where we came from as a country where we had, you know, the vote was sacrosanct. It was landed gentry.

And then we pushed forward this whole universal suffrage movement. And now it's sort of like, well, even, you know, immigrants should be able to vote. I mean, the bastardization of how much value we place in a vote and the disenfranchisement of actual Americans because we can't trust our own elections is truly a civic sin. I mean, it really, really is such a sin. And I totally applaud the president. I back his play a thousand percent on this and J.D. Vance is in this because if we cannot trust our own elections, then the whole thing's a sham. And the fact that they are admitting openly that they will not be able to win elections in some places if they don't have these loose standards is a pure, an unadulterated indictment of their own position. They are cheating. They are rigging the game.

This is what they've been doing for decades. And they're getting called an account. I was listening. I was in the break. I was listening to some of these questions from, yeah, I forget his name. Garrett from NBC. I've actually met Garrett. Nice guy. But he's asking, why won't Trump drop this? He won in 2024. We won despite your cheating. We won to spite it. And it's the problem is not anywhere near to being fixed. And the fact they play dumb on this and act like we're a bunch of loony-tune conspiracy theorists because we're still asking questions is just absolutely nuts. Because there's a lot there. There's a lot there, especially when it comes to election integrity. All right. So, Alex, you were at the Defense Innovation Summit in PA yesterday. Trump spoke at that. You did a great job covering it. But this question came up earlier in the show with Senator Eric Schmidt. A lot of people are talking about this 219, Section 219 of the NDAA, this proposed cooperative with Israel on intelligence and defense. Have you looked into this at all? Do you have a perspective on it? this is not an anti-Israel sentiment for me at all, actually.

It just feels like something we shouldn't be doing in general. I mean, we've already proven that we can coordinate with the Israelis very effectively when it came to Iran. Why do we need to go in deeper? That's my question. Yeah, I think that that's always a reasonable question. I think that a lot of people that I talk to within the White House who are not necessarily buddied up with a lot of the people who dominate the podcast space.

I really do say that the intelligence we get from the Israelis is second to none. It is the top that we can get. And I've been very critical of their PR, as was Charlie, over the last year. I think they've not been helpful in the Iran war in general. But I maintain overall people on the inside tell me that their intelligences. It is the best. And doing things to facilitate getting that intelligence, it doesn't really have to do necessarily with what you think personally of Netanyahu and how he's running his government.

And I think that that's an important thing to think about contextual but it is always good to re-appraise allies and adversaries. And Trump is amazing at this. And I think he's been really wise to do this. And it comes from, I think, him having a open heart and open mind of certain things. Just the thought that Saudi Arabia and Qatar would be close allies with us 10 years ago, would have been unthinkable. And then now we're here.

And I think that's a benefit. And it also puts some teeth on his threats to countries like NATO, where if you think we're friends, then you better behave like friends. George Maloney, we love you, but if you're not going to let us use bases when we're doing a strategic bombing of Iran, he's not going to forget that and there's going to be consequences. And I love that posture. So anything that reevaluate stuff, I'm always cool with it, but Israeli intelligence pretty good. Yeah.

No, I think it's good, but we already cooperate with them. We already are, you know, very closely in connection. We communicate well. We obviously, we're capable of launching very effective strikes in Iran. Why do we need to further sort of connect? the dots behind the scenes or develop tech when it seems like why fix it if it ain't broken? And I've asked my sources and a lot of people don't see that there is a problem. I don't understand.

And there is some indication that Benjamin Netanyahu is the one advancing this. Yeah, you were going to chime in there. Yeah, I just am curious who are the best spokespeople for it and against it? Because it seems like a lot of Thomas Massey, Rokana, people who are always trying to get in front of a microphone or behind a keyboard to rage about Israel. It seems like those are the guys who are the biggest, the most vocal people. So I'm trying to see who's going to emerge and make a really, not necessarily a social media friendly case, but like a serious case from way or the other. And I don't know who to turn to in that at the moment.

Yeah. And I've heard that the, if the thoughts are, yeah, go ahead, Blake. Go ahead. Then. Come on 20 seconds, Blake, quick. You're putting me on the spot here. You're putting me on the spot here. I just want our government.

that we should just be able to say, I put America first. I think America is the priority. And you should not get blown up by too many people if you do that. That's what I would say. America first. I don't know what that means, but America first I can endorse. Alex Marlowe. God bless you, man.

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