The Charlie Kirk Show - Luigi Mangione and "Horseshoe Terrorism"

Episode Date: June 16, 2026

The Freedom 250 UFC event was a triumph, but it could have been a bloodbath, as FBI agents have broken up a plot to carry out a massacre by extremists who wanted to target "billionaires" and lawmakers supporting Israel. The show explains "horseshoe theory" and why some people on the "far right" are almost identical to the Luigi Left. Then they talk to Steve Hilton about the possible crimes of Gavin Newsom, cover JD Vance's media tour to tout his new book and the Iran deal, and talk to former ESPN personality Sage Steele about left's crippling hostility toward loving America. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com!    Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Had actually been targeted by, it looks like, domestic, violent extremists. And by that, it actually does seem to hold true. The expression does hold true. There's a network of dozens that have been 23 people, 23 people that have been identified as part of this ring by the FBI. There was drones that were planned to be weaponized and sent in. They had attack zones. snipers, all kinds of things. Let's lay it out. So what they caught is they caught a signal group, signals of chat you can have on your phone, your computer.

They were in various places around the country. And what they were talking about, as you said, was they were talking about doing a coordinated multi-member attack on the Freedom 250 event. Their idea was they would fly explosive drones into buildings to start a panic. People would flee in specific directions, probably heard it along by barriers already put up. and then they would have sniper teams ready to open fire on them. And it's not clear just how far they got with this, but according to the FBI,

some members of this chat did travel to Fredericksburg, Virginia, about an hour south of D.C. to a couple days before to make preparations. Now, given how ambitious this sounds, I still get the feeling this might not have come to fruition, we can hope, but it's clearly the level of speculation where the FBI was right to get. involved. And so investigators are claiming that this part of, and this court in the New York Post,

a far right accelerationist ideology, which they link to the San Diego Moss shooting, we're going to take issues with that. But here, investigators learned that their aim was to take out capitalist, elites, billionaires, and politicians who received money from APEC officials told the post. So this is a traditional way of looking at political ideologies is on a linear graph, right? You got the left and then you got the right. Now there's something called horseshoot theory, which we haven't talked about on this show, because I'm not a good chance to explain it. I'm not always convinced that I believe in the way it's presented,

but it is something right now that I think is becoming more and more true. And that is the idea that it's actually a horseshoe. And at the extreme tips, the left and right sort of bleed together and they have less distinction. They become more like one another than different. You're vastly more likely to see someone who is extremely politically far to the right flip to saying, actually, I'm a revolutionary socialist communist, then you are to see them flip the supposedly lesser distance to, oh, I'm a centrist moderate who cares about growing the economy. I actually think this is somewhat to explain. Graham Platner, who had a Nazi tattoo. He would probably at some points considered himself kind of a radical fringe righty in some ways.

But then he flipped over and now he's just a communist socialist. Think about what we're seeing here. They're saying it's far right. But on the right, we're usually more in favor of free markets. We're usually more in favor of billionaires existing. I don't think Andrew or I have a problem with Elon Musk becoming a trillionaire. I'm very excited. Because he started multiple incredibly ground-baking companies that did amazing things for

the country and for America, for their employees. But on the far, far right, you're starting to see stuff that does sound like someone who could be a jilted Bernie Sanders fan. We need to take out the billionaires, the billionaire class, or the Apex stuff. We've had violent anti-Israel demonstrations and radicalism has been a thing on the left for ages, but we see it growing on the right as well. And so you see this bleeding, intermingling of how they, of their sentiment. So you see these guys who are in the signal chat who this could easily be the motivation of a far left cell. People who love Luigi Mangione. Oh, we want to kill billionaires and people who take money from the Israel lobby.

That could easily be someone who's a fan of Hassan Piker. That could easily be a fan of any number of radical left movements. But they're characterizing them as right wing here. And so we have to start poking at that. There is a funnel from I am on the right to just. being a hard leftist, and that includes revolutionary violence. Yeah, well, and this is, so some of the key similarities, according to the horseshoe theory. And again, I chew the meat and spit out the bones when it comes to this.

I don't buy it completely, but there does tend to be a draw towards authoritarianism, right? Preference for strong, centralized state power. They have an us versus them mentality, binary worldview, conspiracy thinking, scapegoating of enemies. Sounds pretty familiar. And by the way, based on what they just said, targeting billionaires and the elites and those who take money from APEC, rejection of liberalism, opposition to free markets, individual rights, compromise, all those kind of things that make a democracy function, constitutional republic in the case of the United States, populism and totalitarianism. See, populism, conservative populism can be a very useful and good thing, but this is one of the things that political scientists have sort of

put as, you know, something that they've seen, but from both sides when you talk about the horseshoot theory. Colts of personality, propaganda, willingness to use violence or revolution. Okay. So, and I do think that when people look at, for example, the Nazis, you know, there's a tendency to call that a far right, fascist, you know, political ideology. I would actually, I would even consider that. I think the Nazis were a radical third way ideology. So, might even call it radical centralism. The point is, politics can be a complicated beast. It's not really as simple as just a linear line where something very far over here is as far away as you can get from something over here. It's that getting really far away from what you might call the political mainstream means you're more likely, I'd say to be resentful

of what's going on, more likely to be just an iconoclast in general, more likely to rebel, and unfortunately, more likely, I think, to be seduced by violent fantasies. A lot of people, if they're trying to burn down a city after George Floyd, it's not really that they're necessarily that agitated about George Floyd. It's that they're agitated against society in general, and that gives them something to violently blow up against. And I think some of that happens on the right as well, and they end up finding a lot that they like on the left. And that's why I want to push at this, that they're getting seduced by fundamentally left-wing fantasies. Yeah, essentially it becomes left-wing, right? Because you believe in castigating an entire group or a class or scapegoating people as opposed to holding people accountable for their own actions, for example. That would be a fundamentally left-wing view of the world. When you horseshoe around, you end up exhibiting a lot of those same characteristics. So that's why we say it. Now, accelerationism, let's just define that as well, because they're calling it a radical far-right accelerationist ideology. Now, accelerationism, is where you say we're going to burn it all down, blow up the system. It's essentially a revolutionary

perspective. You're going to burn it all down so that out of the ashes, you can build something more ideologically pure. Okay. So instead of working with the current GOP, for example, you are going to say, well, I'm going to vote Democrat because I want to get all these people out of office so we can replace them with people that reflect my viewpoints. And as we've warned you, as Charlie warned before, this is an ideology of failure. It's an ideology of rejecting real work. To say, actually by losing I win is how that's your excuse for doing nothing or doing nothing useful. And it has to be rejected.

We have a lot of clips. J.D. Vance is doing a bit of a media blitz. And I love it. I think J.D. Vance is one of the most talented politicians in the entire country, regardless of which side, when it comes to going up against adversarial media. Okay. So he actually, I think he did Fox and Friends first, if I'm not mistaken. So he went on there and he actually addressed some of these news reports.

I want to get to that first. And I think he raises a really important point here, SOT 23. So much of the far left rhetoric is driving itself towards violence. We're trying to look at the underground networks that drive towards this violence. 23 people do not get to the point where they're going to commit a, mass terror incident in Washington, D.C., without some serious funding, without some serious coordination. And we've actually been trying to go with those networks of coordination because this is a terrorist plot. That's not a few guys doing crazy stuff. That is a coordinated,

planned terrorist plot. Thank God we thwarted it, but we've got to do more of that stuff. Yeah, and he's right. It is a terrorist plot. And we do have a picture of one of these guys. His name is Tyson, a Tyson proper out of Ohio. He's been arrested by the FBI for helping to plan this. I mean, just look at this guy. Now you look at this guy, and again, to our earlier point, you'd think, he kind of looks like a winger, right winger. But this is what happens when you become an extremist. When you're bent on violence and revolution, your idea, your ideology becomes indistinguishable from that of many people on the violent left. I could see that guy getting arrested at a Portland courthouse too. You just need like one

tattoo and then it would look. Yeah. He's, he's one step away from being full Antifa. That's the point we're making. So, and that's a trend that we're seeing in our politics. Okay, so J.D. goes on the view and, I mean, he's going through everything. The guy is just so talented at this. So, for example, on affordability, he says that the, you know, they're alleging that Trump doesn't care about affordability. He calls that a hoax. You know, here we go. Jeffrey Epstein, I know this is interesting for a lot of you out there. So let's go ahead and play it, 36. One of the things you see in the Epstein emails is that Jeffrey Epstein hated Donald Trump and that Donald Trump literally reported Jeffrey Epstein to the police.

That's one of the things that came out of these files. They were best friends for about a decade. And remember, he signed that Transparency Act under duress when some Republican women, Congresswomen like Lauren Boehbert, like Marjorie Taylor Green, did not give in to his pressure of not signing. He brought Lauren Bolberg into the situation room to pressure her into caving on not voting for that bill. So let me respond to that. So, let me respond to that.

So number one is, yes, Donald Trump, he said this. He knew Jeffrey Epstein back in the 1980s. He also threw Jeffrey Epstein out of his club when he found out it was a creep and reported him to the police. That's something that the media often misses when it reports the story. They tell the fact that they knew each other in the 80s, which the

president himself admits, they ignore the fact that he narked on him to the police and led ultimately to Jeffrey Epstein's downfall. And by the way, the New York Post is actually reporting that his lawyer, Epstein's lawyer, says that he was obsessed with taking down Trump in his final days. So before Jeffrey Epstein died, committed a suicide or was killed, whatever happened to him. He was obsessed with President Trump. Why? Because President Trump ended up being successful,

President of the United States. Yeah, they did have real estate squabbles in Florida. That's probably one of the reasons they don't like each other. But President Trump reported him to the police, narct on him as J.D. said. It's a huge thing that the left doesn't want to talk about. But, you know, he continues on here, by the way. Actually, I don't think we have that clip, but he continued on in the clip and basically dismantled every single Epstein accusation that they're throwing at him. For example, President Trump, J.D. says he was there when President Trump called the Senate and said, pass the Transparency Act, I want to sign it. So President Trump, okay, and this happened to me. Anytime you talk about Jeffrey,

Epstein, you have to do so of fear and trembling of getting clipped up on the internet and misrepresented. For example, last week on Thursday, I said there was no there there there when it came to their deliberations inside the situation room. I read the article from the New York Times, but I did not mean that there was no there there there was no there there there I'm with JD. JD said this in this interview with the view this morning. I believe there's a there there. Some crazy, you know, con man doesn't get that rich and powerful and that much influence without there being some there there. What I meant was there, There was no there there with President Trump.

And they acknowledged that in the situation room. They said, hey, let's go full transparency. There's nothing to hide from President Trump. So that's the point. And J.D. made that point very clear. President Trump picked up the phone and said, let's get full transparency. So anyways, there's lots of great clips here. Blake, I don't know if any of these are standing out.

Oh, you know what? This was great, too. 37, where J.D. is explaining why he went from Trump critic to the vice president, 37. I was a critic of Donald Trump back in 2015 and 2016. now, obviously I'm sitting here as the Vice President of the United States in the Trump administration. Well, Joy, a little humility, actually. I think that when you make predictions

and those predictions turn out to be false, you've got to ask yourself, well, what made me wrong about that? What did I not understand or not appreciate? For example, I said that Donald Trump's economic policies would not lead to wage growth. They did in the first term. That was actually a major, major thing.

I said that we couldn't bring back any of those factory jobs because I kind of had given in to this, idea that those jobs were disappearing. But actually, Donald Trump, you saw a manufacturing boom during that administration. So there's a certain point, let me just let me just let's just this question. So there's a certain point where you say, you know, I made predictions about this. I ended up being wrong. And in politics and anything, I think it's important just say, you know what, I got some things wrong and I was wrong about him. A little humility, Blake, that's refreshing to hear from a politician. A little humility. Good for you, Jady. Van.

I just think, again, I don't know what took them so long to put him on this media tour, but, you know, he's doing Fox and Friends. He's doing Megan Kelly. He's doing The View. He did Sean Hannity last night. But it's well-timed because he's got to, he's going to have to be the chief messenger of this peace deal on Iran. It's going to be, we know it's going to be a challenge with some constituencies. And he's going to have to be able to pass this test because it's only going to get harder if he runs in 2028. So this is a good battle. ground for a very important more we have to wage. He did make a comment too that a lot of people are taking notice of that he believes that the president will be supportive of him, whatever he decides to do.

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All right. So Steve Hilton is actually finishing up a press conference. He's unveiling his tax plan for the Golden State. We'll get him as soon as we can. But there is another, we mentioned going out of the last segment, that JD's media tour is well-timed because he's got to be a spokesman for the Iran deal, which some people are skeptical of. So he's making the case for peace for America for a vibe shift back to a domestic focus. He's had a lot to say about it.

Let's play clip 26. This is good for the American people. The Iranians don't get a dime unless they behave and change their behavior. And this means that Iran will never have a nuclear weapon. When you say they don't get a dime, do they ever get an American dime, a taxpayer dollar? No. So number one, first of all, they never. never get a dime of American taxpayer money ever, full stop, not even close.

And that's been a big piece of misinformation that's been put out there is that American money will somehow go to them. Now, there is a promise, potentially, it's not a promise, there is a carrot and a stick deal, right? So if they misbehave, they get the stick, if they behave while they get the carrot, that regional partners could invest if they so choose, no obligation to do so, in a redevelopment fund for Iran, right? Iran's been obliterated, its infrastructure is crumbling. There could be incentives for good behavior. That's how any deal should be structured.

The point of this has to be that the goal of this throughout is we don't actually want to be in a permanent war with Iran. We want to actually have a productive relationship with Iran. And so any peace deal is going to have a component of if you guys stop chasing after a nuclear bomb, if you stop treating America as the great Satan, if you stop endlessly creating conflict with us, this can be a favorable relationship. You can grow. You can be as rich as Saudi Arabia or the United Arab Emirates or Qatar. These countries that don't wage war on us.

And so they're far lovelier countries to be in than Iran. So you do want to be able to offer those carrots, but they are conditional, as he says. It looks like we're close to having Steve. Wow, we have Steve. Excellent. Steve Hilton, the next governor of the great state of California. Welcome, sir. I know you just wrapped up a press conference. You ran right over here. You're very generous with your time. So thank you for that. Tell us the breaking news. Let's start there. You just, Sacramento's, you know, passing a bunch of new taxes on the people of California. You've got a different vision. It looks like he might have froze. You know, California's infrastructure is crumbling. Do we have them? Okay, we're hanging. So why don't we just throw up his tweet if we can? We do have that.

he's got a vision for California's tax future that is distinct from. I think it's fair to say. Yeah, he said basically the corrupt establishment system in Sacramento just passed a bunch of new taxes. And so today, Steve unveiled his own tax plan. And it looks like we may or may not have him. No, he's frozen again, folks. This is live TV. This is what happens.

This is what's happening in California. It's crumbling. This is the state that gave us the internet. All right. So I thought that was Al Gore. Oh, you know, but the people who actually did it. So let's, so this, I'm going to wait for Steve until he can describe it himself. But another big story dropped yesterday that is of note.

And that is that Gavin Newsom came out and said that he is under investigation, he and his wife, by the Department of Justice. And he's blaming Trump, of course, Sop 30. In recent days, federal agents have knocked on the doors of family friends and former employees. Not because they found a crime because they're simply. trying to find one. They're demanding records. They're abusing the grand jury process, digging through years and years of random documents. Donald Trump isn't just coming after me because of my mean tweets. He's coming after me because I'm considering running for president

because he hates that I've consistently called him out over and over again for his lies and deceit. Donald Trump is simply the most corrupt president in American history. Mr. President, come after me. I'm not going anywhere. And the country is watching. He might also have thrown in. They're coming after me because my former chief of staff just pleaded guilty to three felonies a few weeks ago. Might be something related to it, but we do finally have Steve back, it looks like. So Steve, are you there? Guys, you're so right, by the way. We're on the road the whole time in California. I cannot tell you the amount of times. The calls drop. You can't get a signal.

with a tech capital of the world but can't get a phone signal. Sorry about that. No, you're good. So quickly on the tax plan, we have the highest cost of living in the country because of their insane policies. And then yesterday they passed another budget, increasing spending, increasing taxes, including another $400 on people's health insurance plans, if you have private health insurance,

at the same time as they're increasing by billions of dollars spending on free health care for illegal immigrants. So they're basically gouging Californians. Javier Bacero just wants more the same. He's my opponent. Today I announced my tax plan, which is to increase the amount that you get tax-free. Last year I put forward a plan,

your first 100 grand tax-free. That got great reaction. We've been on the road. People have been saying we love it. But actually, there's a lot of people. In California, 100 grand doesn't get you very far. A lot of states, a lot of counties, that's officially the level for low-income.

So people have been saying, can we raise it? And that's what I'm announcing today. Now it's going to be 150 grand tax-free. The way we can pay for that is a slight adjustment to what I was going to do above 100-100 grand, which was a flat tax of 7.5%. Now that's going to be 8%. So that's how we make it work. But the bottom line is 9 million Californians who earn 150 grand or less

will now no longer pay state income tax when I'm governor. I can't imagine there would be too many that would be upset with that, Steve. That is a lot of voters, nine millions a lot. So hopefully we get the word out because, you know, you guys in the state of California, and I used to live there, the state income tax is a huge, huge deal. I mean, I think the top bracket is 13.1%. 13.3. And the thing that's outrageous is that it's, A, it's really complicated.

You've got all these different rates. But what's outrageous is that after 7. 22 grand of earnings, which really you struggle to live on that in California, you're paying 9.3% state income tax. That is higher than the top rate in most other states. It's ridiculous. And that's why this plan makes such sense. And I, but if, I don't know how long we have, but if you want me to sort of jump in on the Gavin Newsome thing, I'll just point one. I'll just point one thing out. Okay. What's, we don't know, I don't know the details, right? We're waiting. to see there's reporting from serious reporters in Sacramento that this whole thing was initiated not by Donald Trump, as Newsom is pretending,

but by whistleblowers within California and the whole thing began partly under the Biden administration in the first place. I don't know the details, so I don't want to comment till we've seen more. What I will say is that you've got a system of legalized corruption in California politics

and one of the things that's most outrageous is this thing which I When I first heard about it, I couldn't believe, called behested payments. Behesed payments are when a politician, and Newsom has used this extensively, literally can phone someone up and say, I'd like you to give money to this or that cause. And the cause can often be very connected to his own political work. For example, there's something like the California Protocol Project or something,

which basically funds foreign trips for the governor, that counts as being able to get a behested payment, which is just totally outrageous. And one of the things that's been going on is that he's been asking companies and others to give money to his wife's non-profit. And the speculation is that some of this investigation is to do with that. But what's completely outrageous is that you've got,

and not just the governor, other politicians can phone people up, businesses who they regulate and ask them to give money to their pet causes. It is legalized corruption and it has to end. And I will stop it. Well, and you know, it's interesting because you've got Gavin Newsom, you've got Jennifer Seibel Newsom, you've got Javier Bissera, who's also got issues, a scandal plaguing him with, I think, his former chief of staff, he took him to Washington. but you articulated it brilliantly in the debate where he didn't think he was going to get paid enough money in government, so they found a workaround to get him more money.

Exactly. It is corruption at the deepest level because they all feel so entitled to these kickbacks and greasing the skids. That's what you get with one party rule. That's right. That's right. It's one-party rule. They think they can get away with anything. They feel entitled to public money.

They feel entitled to endlessly increase, you know, gouge taxpayers by increasing budgets and then handing it out to their pet causes, whether that's government unions, left-wing causes and activists. This is why we have to end the corruption. That's the top line of my argument in this campaign. I'm going to go to Sacramento and clean up this corrupt system that has given us the high, cost of living, the highest poverty rate, the highest unemployment rate in America, because they don't care about regular people. They just care about their own insider interest. And that's the corruption you get from one party rule. That's why I'm confident we're going to win this year.

Well, it's such a good point, Steve. This should be the pitch. I don't care what you think of Republicans or the R, the scarlet letter R in California for some, right? I don't care what you think. It is insane to continue giving one party unchecked rule of a state as big as an important and rich as California. All you will get is corruption, bloat, and absolute misery for the people, which is what you're seeing. So who cares? Exactly. What letter is next to Steve's name? You need somebody to put these people on notice and check them. All right, Steve, I haven't had you back on since all the election fiasco stuff. All right? Spencer Pratt gets totally railroaded in Los Angeles. I think it was harder for them to pull

off this kind of organized scheme statewide. You withstood the onslaught. You came in second, though, even though you were leading on all the polls. But you are now in the runoff against Javier Bacere, which is what we wanted. So, hey, we got here. First, what do you make of all of the allegations, the investigation by the U.S. Attorney's Office, Bill O'Saley, so many others are now looking into it. First question. Second question, what is it going to take to win? So on the on the whole voting thing, I mean, obviously there's the complete fiasco of how long it takes, and that's ridiculous. And I had a whole plan for accelerating that. And the biggest thing we can do to stop all that insanity is have voter ID, which is going to be on the ballot in November.

And that's a big part of the story of how I'm going to win, by the way. On the voting, I think it's very important to understand the connection between what we saw happened, particularly in L.A., And some of these reports that I've been putting out through, we've talked over the months about Cal Doche and the fraud reports that we've putting out. Many of the examples of fraud that we've uncovered in the system in California have been examples of public money being siphoned off into Democrat front organizations

that do political activity to build the Democrat machine. The very first fraud report that we published back in, I think, February, was $350 million that we found from the cannabis tax in California that was supposed to be spent on substance abuse prevention, actually going to over 500 Democrat organizations. And then when you look at what they do, it is voter registration and ballot harvesting. And so what you're seeing in these elections

is the culmination of the machine that they've built up through the fraud over the years. It's a very important connection. It's not actually illegal. It's just outrageous and corrupt. In terms of what it's going to take to win, it's basically what I've been talking about here today. My plan to make our state Cal affordable.

Your first 150 grand tax-free. $3 gas. Cut your utility bills in half. A home you can afford to buy. It's positive, practical things that are not particularly ideological. They're not partisan. They just give people some relief after the endless, gouging, on taxes and the increasing cost through the bloat in the government and the insanity of this

one-party rule. So I think we've got, look, I know that people look at this race, especially here, the Democrats, they're totally complacent. They assume they've got it in the bag. But Sarah's going to be the governor. They have no idea what's about to hit them in terms of the energy and the force of this campaign that we're about to run, both in holding him accountable, but Sarah, who you couldn't get someone who's, he's the living, important. of more of the same. 36 years, a career politician in the California corrupt

machine. And so we will be ferocious in holding him to account because what is he? He's just more of the same cost, incompetence, failure and corruption. And we're going to be very strong on that, as well as laying out a positive alternative centered around

my plan to make our state Californable. They haven't faced a candidate like me. They don't understand what's about to hit them. This race is going to much closer than anyone thinks. I'm very confident that we can win, not least because a majority of Californians now on every

poll. So it's 57, 60 percent think that it's time for change. We're going in the wrong direction, and that's why in November I think there's going to be a shock. And the whole country is going to hear it. Steve, you're so right. Becerra is

he is such an awful candidate. Even the Democrats don't like this guy. He was an incompetent in D.C. He made nothing but enemies. He has corrupt scandals plaguing him. The big question for me is not, would a majority of Californians choose you in a straight up election? The bigger question is you talk about these NGOs, the machine. They're out registering homeless people. They're out, they're out, you know, paying them for votes. We've seen it on camera. These homeless people are admitting what

they're doing. The machine is the question, right? So I just tried to do a little search on how much money from the state budget goes to NGOs annually. And it's basically, it comes up in short. It's difficult to pin down. But tens of billions annually is the most accurate high level answer. Tens of billions are going to this cabal, this network of NGOs that is a complete corruption of the system. And it's a bastardization of the intent of an NGO. And it's just used to enforce and protect their power structure. That's right. It's exactly right. We've been documenting that. what I would say is yeah they've got the machine but we got the people people want changing California and it's and and I really feel feel I just feel that there's no way that

they're going to vote for more of the same when it's so painful for regular people now we're going to work very hard we're going to build our own machine by the way we're going to get our vote out and voter ID being on the ballot in November is going to bring a lot of people out to vote for for our side Steve do you believe that Spencer Pratt had the election stolen from him? No, I don't think it's a stolen question. The trouble is it's legal. This is legalized corruption.

And so it's not the right way of thinking about it. I think that the truth is that they've built a corrupt machine and it's worked as intended. But that's what we're up against. And we have to be really clear about that. Of course, once I'm elected, we've got to stop this corruption and the fraud and the flow of taxpayer money

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We just had J.D. Bance talking about what reconciled him to President Trump, and that was humility. And that is a good thing. So we should lift up the humble, not the problem. not the problem. Okay. So anyways. So the Giants, San Francisco Giants, obviously San Francisco being somewhat enthusiastic about pride. It's somewhat prideful, San Francisco. They have a pride night. And guess what? They had a rainbow colored logo for the hats. But three pitchers decided they were going to rebel. And they included Bible verses on the hats. Please. show these hats for the for the good folks at home the hats are colorful with bible verses there they go

right there there's one and three pitchers did this and the MLB decided in its great wisdom to issue a warning and they this is pitchers land and rupe j t brewbaker and ryan walker and they did this during the pride night game against the chicago cubs So Pat Courtney, MLB's chief communication officer, said in a statement that the writing on the cap violates are rules and consistent with normal practices if we have warned the players about future violations. Now, so the MLB's perspective is that they're not fining them for liking the Bible or warning them about potential fines for liking the Bible. It's that you can't alter the uniform on the field. There is a rule against that. all three wrote Genesis 9, 12 through 6 on their cap.

Which, let's read it. Do you have it ready to go? A reference to Genesis 9, 12 through 6 in which God establishes a covenant with humanity after the biblical flood using the rainbow as its sign. Yes, it says, I'll do the King James Version because that's what popped up. And God said, this is the token of the covenant which I made between you and between me and you and every living creature that is with you for perpetual generations. I do set my bow in the cloud. and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth. And it shall come to pass when I bring a cloud over the earth that the bow shall be seen in the cloud.

And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh. And the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh. This is the famous part of the scriptures where God promises never to flood the earth again. And it's a beautiful thing. And he sends the rainbow up into the sky. and it's a symbol that every time we see the bow, the rainbow, in the sky that God is saying he has made a covenant with us as humans to never kill us all, okay? That he will never flood the earth again.

Now, so they were speaking with reporters after the game. Mr. Roup said, one of the pictures, the passage was not intended as an attack. It's just about God's covenant and a promise that he makes to us, his faithfulness, and his mercy, he said, according to Sports Illustrated, that's just kind of. something I believe in and I stand firm in that. Now, I'm all for this. I think this was brilliant, by the way, that they did this because reclaim the rainbow is, I think, a tremendous campaign and we should reclaim the rainbow. God's covenant of life and mercy to us all has somehow been co-opted by the LGBTQIA CIA 2-2-da-da-da-plus MS. You got the acronym.

Blake's always good at the acronym. MS-13. The MS-13 folks. Literally, they are are the rainbow jihadis. How did God's symbol of mercy for humanity get co-opted by people that basically stand in defiance of God's order in his design? Now, I think it's very appropriate to show compassion and mercy and friendship to people that experience that kind of lifestyle or maybe they struggle with it. I know there's a lot of Christians that have experienced that or struggled with that that don't want to live that way.

And that's, I admire that, okay? But when you are proud, pride, pride is loudly shouting it and saying this is something I am so excited about. And I'm proud of it. And by the way, it's not just enough to tolerate me. This is what Charlie would have worn about. Yes. It's not just enough to put up or say live and let live. No, they want to be celebrated.

And ultimately, they want you to participate in this. And this is what they want for your children. And we've seen this. And this is why all the pushback of the trans insanity was so powerful because finally we said enough is enough. And yes, Charlie did talk about it. There is a cycle. It goes from tolerance all the way to participation. And they will make you do it.

And that's what they made the San Francisco Giants pitchers do. The entire team. They had to participate. They had to put the rainbow on their cap and celebrate Pride Night. Why? Because they're part of a professional sports league that endorses this. and they said, listen, the rainbow is a symbol from God, actually, about his mercy to humanity after the flood.

It's a covenant with God. And they get warned about this. Now, Blake, the question is, do you believe their explanation that this was actually just standard protocol? You can't alter the uniforms. I think that if the player, we've seen this, where if players are breaking the rules

and it's in an ideologically approved direction, they're not going to make as big a fuss about it. If this was, mercifully, their games were canceled during peak COVID, so we didn't have to endure this as much. But if they were breaking the rules, if George Floyd had died, and they said, I'm going to draw one of those black power fists on my hat, I don't think the MLB would do much about it. I don't think they would say much about it.

And I think these men found a very reasonable way to show, I don't really like this, but I'm not going to scream about it. I'm going to write a Bible verse that incorporates the rainbow. That is a very light-touch way of going about this. They could throw the hats in the garbage. They could say, they could make a big fuss, and they could get themselves in a lot more trouble. We'd probably enjoy it if they did.

But they took a very mild approach, and I think MLB is showing how intensely this is the new, they want to make it a part of the national religion that you have to believe this, and you have to celebrate it. This is the civic religion of the United States had become before President Trump that thou shalt, worship at the altar of the LGBTQ folks that you will be a part of it you will be complicit you will accept you will celebrate and you will participate in it and for the MLB to warn them and to go on record

warning them is a very disastrous misstep for the MLB because I can assure you MLB there are more of us than there are of the people that believe in this pride propaganda garbage okay your fans are not doing Pride Month most of them. Okay? This is a huge mistake for you guys to take this on and to go public with it. So to this, I don't know, who's the, who's the guy here again? Landon Rup. No, that's one of the good guys. MLB's chief communications officer, Pat Courtney, you should not be warning the players. You should take warning. Because if you go through with this, if you find them for standing up for their faith, their Christian faith, in a, act, as Blake said, a classy, understated protest, then you will have holy hell rain down on you

from your fans. And you don't want that. MLB is America's sport. They might have holy hell rain on them from somewhere else eventually, too. You do not want to take on the fans of the MLB because I guarantee you they do not agree with your stance MLB. And it shows the capture, the corporate capture and the ideological capture at the top levels of America's Sports League. And it It's disgusting, and we don't want any more of it. And keep America's game pure pleas. We want nothing to do with this. And if anything, this is getting off easy.

And God bless these guys for doing something. We know there are players who could say something and do nothing at all. So God bless them because we are supposed to be public Christians. We are supposed to do the brave thing rather than the safe thing. Man, I totally agree. They are totally brave. And you might even go buy some of their jerseys, although that would benefit the San Francisco Giants. Maybe you can get one.

Custom. Yes, exactly. Support those players. So there's a couple more stories related to the Giants story that we just covered that I want to get into. So obviously the MLB is being anti-Christian. By the way, God bless Rob Schneider for volunteering to pay any of the fines that these players might incur, which, I mean, they make a lot of money, but some of these pitchers actually don't. But what's the MLB minimum? It's like, oh, it's a few hundred thousand.

But some guys are only in the league. It's not like the NFL where if you're on a team, you're probably there for a full season. and some of these guys, they, I don't know. They get called up. They go back down. Some guys oscillate constantly, so they're actually in this middle income range. And if you're also, if you're a pitcher, you blow out your arm once and you're just, you're done. And that can easily happen to some of these players.

Pro sports can be a very brief stint in the spotlight. Yeah, they're not all rich. The point is. So Rob Schneider coming to their defense is great. And they pay those California taxes we were just talking about. Oh, my goodness. Yeah, you know, there's actually some players that refuse to play in New York. York or California because of the tax situation. God bless them. Yeah, seriously. So there's a,

but so we're talking about anti-Christian bias. Well, there's a new report out from Fox News. You can throw the headline up. Report links anti-Christian extremism and assassination culture to allege plot against Erica Kirk and others. This isn't just Erica, but there wasn't a man arrested that was, uh, had plotted, uh, to, to harm turning point and Erica at our women's leadership Summit just last weekend, San Antonio. So the, it's called the Network Contagent Research Institute says that U.S. Capitol Police threat assessment showed a 58% increase in threats against members of Congress from 2024 and 2025, and threats have overall doubled since 2020. So this Research Institute studies how radical ideology spread across digital networks and social media.

They analyze the threats against Erica and others to assess the level of danger. and how permission structure plays a role in originating the threat. And this is what we've really been talking about. The permission structure undergirding this entire rise. Like social permission structure? Yes. It's when Hassam Piker gets up there and he talks about social murder and why Brian Thompson, the CEO of United Healthcare, probably had it coming.

Okay. This is what happens when they call you Hitler and they call you Nazis and they call you fascists and they dehumanize you again and again and again. Or they call you a pito protector. This is the new one that I'm going to raise you. the alarm bells on, is that when they accuse people of protecting pedophiles, it's creating a permission structure. Because listen, if somebody is legitimately protecting pedophiles and allowing the rape and abuse of little kids, if they're above the law, then yeah, you could see how

certain people might take matters into their own hands and plot an assassination attempt. It's a modern update on, you know, when people say, oh, they're doing a modern Holocaust. And people think, well, if I was in Nazi Germany and I had the ability to prevent them. Holocaust through some act of guerrilla violence, people, they'll have this fantasy that they'll tell us, I would do that. And so when you go around and say, Holocaust, there's a new, new genocide, genocide, genocide against trans people, genocide against whoever else. People who are unwell will take that very literally and they'll start plotting violence. And this Pito Protector thing is a modern version of that. We all would act to save children that we knew were being preyed upon,

that we knew were being victimized, abused, killed. And so when they just recklessly throw this around without proof, without evidence, they are sending unwell people over the deep end. All right. So this all plays into what we're seeing online. And this is part of this report. What we're seeing is a massive influx of foreign malign influence that is truly shaping the Western world right now, particularly through social media. This is according to Travis Hawley, cyber threat and open source intelligence analysts at the network contagion research Institute. What you could call our digital diet is really shaping how people see ourselves, our values, and our country, and even our history. So there is a lot of countries that want to

shape the discourse on social media in the United States because we are the most powerful country in the world. So this includes Neville Singham in China, what the individuals. This includes foreign malign interests out of Russia, perhaps Iran, perhaps other places. So anyways, this is really concerning, says Holly. and really showing up how democracy actually has a weakness if it is not protected. Okay, so all of this is really direct. So all of it relates to our sports. All of it relates to anti-Christian bias and about our feelings about our own country.

One of the ways that that is manifesting is in how proud some Americans are to be American. You can see this manifesting in so many different ways. We have so much sports going on right now. It really is we're talking about. Scott Jennings addressed this on CNN as well, 44. According to some polling that came out this weekend, most Republicans love America. 90% are very proud to be Americans. They're proud of living in this country.

Unfortunately, I think Mr. De Niro's comments are pretty indicative of a majority of Democrats who can't seem to find that attitude, which I applaud, inside them, to love your country, even though you lost the last election. And loving America, being a patriot for America, feeling good about America shouldn't be dictated, but whether you want a loss. When I hear De Niro, I hear him saying, I can only love America if we win every election from here on out. That's a rather fascist statement. 25 years ago, 90% of Republicans were proud or extremely proud to be American, and 87% of Democrats were as well, 25 years ago.

Now, 25 years later, 92% of Republicans are proud to be Americans. So we've actually gone up 2%. Only 36% of Democrats feel the same way. So it's not an exaggeration anymore to say the Democrats' party, hates America. And you can even see it through some of the comments made by the representatives when it comes to who you rooting for in the World Cup. Stop 43. World Cup is here. The first match this weekend at MetLife Stadium taking place in New Jersey, even though some people say it is technically New York. But what do you think will win it all? Who are you rooting for? I like Mexico.

Mexico. There you go. I'm rooting for Senegal. Senegal. Okay. Those are two Congress people. That's the mild version of it. You root against America. you're not proud of America, and then you have people who want to burn down America, kill Americans, kill Christians. It's, we as leaders, have a responsibility to push against it. Hillsdale College, Great Books 101, Ancient to Medieval course, is an absolute game changer. I'm taking it right now, and you've got to check it out. So before Charlie ever stepped into a debate stage or behind a microphone, he understood something

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You've covered sports for years. What do you think? Yeah. I hope so, or maybe we should phrase it as a return, because this is kind of how it used to feel, right? Where so much of our attention, yes, is focused on what's happening in the world, as it should be, right? There's more important things than sports.

But sports is always an escape. That's the way I always approached it. That's why I wanted to be a sportscaster, because it was an escape from reality for so many people, no matter what was going on in your lives. So over the last, let's just call it a week, it has been awesome to see. I mean, the NBA has had a lot of issues over the last, I'd say, decade, maybe five, six years with wokeness and really just taking it really too far, where people kind of stopped watching. The ratings had tanked.

I don't know what they are for this year's postseason. I think probably super high because it is the Knicks. It was the Knicks, and it was, you know, more than half a century since they'd really been able to have the potential to win the whole thing. So I'm sure the numbers were up. But overall, you take that, you take the excitement with the Victor Wembeyanama in it, and it really was, in my mind, must see TV. And then you bring the World Cup. Listen, there's a ton of people.

Jesse said it last night, right? I'm not even a soccer fan, and I'm interested in watching. When the whole world comes to your country, your eyes better be on it as well. And it really feels that way. And when you look at what foreigners are saying about our country and how great we are and calling Walmart a museum, then maybe we should start to take some of these things, not take them for granted as much. And then, of course, with UFC.

Like, again, I just was able to look at the pictures and videos during and after. And it was incredible to watch. I mean, no other country does that. That video you're showing right there with the Thunderbirds and the Blue Angels together. It gives me chills, even for those people out there who aren't huge UFC fans, right? It has been incredible from a sports aspect. And I'll wrap with this part on it because sports is the ultimate. Uniter on a football Sunday, a basketball Saturday, at a UFC match, whatever it is, your race, your sex, your politics, your socioeconomic status, your religion, nothing matters.

That is the foundation and the fabric of America. Nobody knows that more than Donald Trump, and I love what we have seen over the last week or so. Yeah, amen to that. And it does feel, like, you mentioned the foreigners coming into America appreciating what they're seeing. They're appreciating the mac and cheese. They're driving down country roads listening to Ella Langley. They're in bars, singing country roads. I mean, it really has given, I think, a lot of Americans fresh eyes to see how great our country is, too, which is why it's so depressing to hear people like Robert De Niro and all the polling that shows how little love the Democrat Party has currently

for the United States, even though we are such a great country. You don't even have to say we're the best country in the world, but we're objectively a great country. whatever it is, can't you put that aside and just say, hey, America 250, we love you. You know, even if you don't like the president, you got another crack at it in a couple years. Like, I mean, what's there not to love about this great country, genuinely? Yeah, I think we're on the same page with that. And I think the irony, though, it's rich to watch a Robert De Niro at the podium saying the things that he has been saying for a long time now. I mean, the effort that it takes to find all the world.

words and the big adjectives that I'm sure you have to put into a the source to come up with to criticize the president criticize America I mean that energy like that that's that's an ugly place to be and oh by the way try to go do that in some of these Middle Eastern countries like you're you're actually gonna be killed right so the irony to me is something that we can never forget about at the same time they really are and I think have been the vocal minority a very loud minority and that is thanks to the echo chamber that mainstream media has been forever

and certainly social media and ex before Elon took over. But so now there's almost like a panic in the voices of the De Niro's and the Bet Midlers. And even Julia Roberts, I was surprised to see her over doing that stuff this weekend. Am I behind? She one of them too? I guess so. But like I think there's a panic because they feel like they're losing their grip on control of the mindset of so many, especially the youth.

So they're going to get out there and they're going to scream it and be extra lax. but the way they're doing it, I mean, they're almost being mocked. And listen, I'm trying hard to be above it, be above the fray and be a good Christian and not make fun of them. But sometimes, I mean, sometimes I need to be mocked, right? Sometimes we all deserve that. And what they're doing, I just, it bothers me because of the timing. And we are imperfect. We all know that. We all acknowledge that, don't we? But there's so much more good than bad in this country. That is why everybody, continues to try to come in. That's why people were coming in illegally at the border for all those years, right? So let them waste their energy. They must be in a very dark place to want to continue to live like that.

And I think we need to remember that. And in some ways, it's healthier to ignore. I totally agree, actually. You know, part of the mistake that we make as content creators is it's so fun to clown on them, but it actually gives them more oxygen. You know, you almost have to starve of the grift here because you know you got julia roberts it's a hilarious clip i have the team pulling

it right now because it's really worth watching for i i forgot about it but she's up there in front during this counter programming and she starts at you know it's like she went to way too many of these sort of new age you know health retreats in these counseling sessions where she's like leading the audience through like woo saw like breathe out the hate breathe out the anger and breathe in the love and it was like it's like julia roberts you are worth hundreds of millions of dollars you have been given every darn thing you worked for some of it no disrespect there i'm just saying this country has afforded you an an amazing life by the way we talk about robert denierro i just looked it up he's worth 500 million dollars what robert deno is worth 500 million dollars he is the he's a

co-owner co-founder of nobu restaurants and the hotel empire with chef nobu matsu hisa is a global chain. So it's partly he's gotten some of his money internationally. He's also the co-owner of Tribeca Grill and a Greenwich Hotel. Dang. I didn't know that. $500 million. $500 million.

But let's condemn. Right. And let's condemn capitalism altogether from his penthouse in Tribeca, right? But here's the problem is that for so long, the left has been able to just take low-hanging fruit and say, you know, white man, bad. capitalism bad, you know, with their iPhones in their hands and having that penthouse in Tribeca. And people see it and go, yeah, you're right, just because you don't like Donald Trump.

So what I'm hoping for, especially with this younger generation, is that people dig a little bit deeper and don't just take that low-hanging fruit. Don't just take those talking points and believe every single thing. Like do some investigating. Maybe some of it you do agree with. Maybe some of it you don't. But when you're told and the example you're being given by these leaders, mentors, people were supposed to look up to is led with hatred.

Maybe start there. And that's when, to me, they lose their credibility. So it's depressing, but at this point, it's kind of on us, guys, if we were surprised by any of this behavior. Well, and this is exactly, but I will say that, is this the Julia Roberts clip? Is this the one? We'll see it.

She made it full of herself multiple times, so hopefully this is the one we're talking about. Stop 47. What they call death and void, we know is breath and voice. In the end, gorgeously endures our enormity. You could believe departed to be the dawn when the blank night has so long stood. But our bright fled angels will never be fully gone when they forever are so fiercely good. No, I hadn't seen that one.

I liked that the lights were so dark on the audience to make sure that we could only see that there were 12 people there, by the way. I'm so sad. The average age of the audience was about 72. Perfect. You know what I'm so sad about? Because it's Julia Roberts and Richard Gear was going crazy a couple of weeks ago, too, overseas. And so I'm like, that was one of my, yeah, those were my favorite movies. They've both lost their marbles while continuing to pocket hundreds of things.

millions of dollars, but I think at least he moved. And I don't say this lately, just leave the country. But I do mean that. Is it if it is so bad and so terrible and so depressing and you live in such fear, go somewhere better, goes somewhere where you feel safer. Take your family there. The funny thing is they go and then what happens?

Ellen DeGeneres, Rosie O'Donnell, they all come back. They're not going to acknowledge the real reasons why. But I mean that. Like if you're that uncomfortable, that's the beauty of America. have the freedom to make those decisions. Go. I agree with you completely. Just leave. Just put your hand on your beating heart and just close your eyes and just take a really deep breath in and breathe in all that hope, all that love, and just breathe out all that fear. Just let it all go. and that is the power

sorry I just briefed out all that hate Blake was doing it the whole day he actually started you know what I hope my only hope is that she was high when doing it

like that's the only excuse it's the only excuse for that what has happened to the once lovely Julia Roberts I don't know but between her and De Niro did you notice that they have those presidential teleprose

prompters. Like, they had to read. Yeah, that's wild. That's wild. They had to read all of their hatred. Like, it's just, it's hysterical. I think it's terrible.

All right. So, um, what happened to Julia Roberts? It's a great question. Somebody should write like a whole book about it. What happened to the once great Julia Roberts? All right. So here's, uh, maybe she was always this one. I would, I think that would sell ones of copies.

What's of the public. Sage, that's your next, your next mission. All right. So, um, Even CNN is talking about this European phenomenon of how much love they're expressing for America. And this was Jake Tapper talking to this German guy. And I just love his answer. Play soft 50.

Yeah, I mean, I know Freddie. He's a nice guy. He's from, like, close to me. So I've been talking to him. He's loving it. He's more touring the South at Chicago. And I think it's more like because in Europe we have a lot of rather negative news about the Americans in the last five years. Let's say that.

And I think we are all enjoying the fact that this country is so great to visit. People are amazing, so welcoming. The culture is amazing. It's like Europeans are getting a new view of America right now, I think. Also through our content and that's that's cool, I think. Yeah. Look at that. But interestingly enough, he blames the European media.

They're bad. It's under, I don't think Americans realize how aggressively propagandistic. A lot of media is in Germany. in France. They're much more all on the same side of every issue and really lecturing you about things. Gosh, the lecturing, the European lecturing, I just can't. Anyways, I actually looked this up yesterday because I saw Elon Musk is actually going to be suing ZDF, which is one of the top two largest broadcasters news networks in Germany. And he said about some of the migrant crisis stuff that you have to protest loudly and repeatedly if something's going to change. The ZD,

ZDF took that and translated it to you have to hunt down migrants in the streets. And they are refusing to retract that, Sage. I mean, you were a journalist, yes, a sports journalist. You were at ESPN, what, 16, 17 years? If you said something that crazy off point and that big of a lie, really, you would be forced to retract, even at ESPN. Am I right? Yes.

Of course. When I was there, yes, certainly times have changed the last two and a half years, but absolutely. The problem is leadership. And if you're leadership at these networks, I mean, they're the ones that are dictating it and how you should cover a story and how you should report. And so there might even be people who are being forced to translate it, knowing that it's wrong, but this is what their boss tells them and they have to keep the job.

I mean, we know all about that and those kind of mandates, right? But to your point, Blake, especially in Germany and in France, I mean, there's a reason why they mock us, a reason why they load us and think that we are so beneath them. It's because of how it is being reported. It is actually no different from the mainstream media here, but I don't think any of us, including those of us in it, fully realize, those of us who are sane and kind of in the middle or center right, who've been in the media world,

I don't think any of us realize just how dark and dirty it was. Now, thanks to Elon, thanks to X, and then, you know, this space, the streaming podcast world, people are realizing just how dark it was and in some way still is. Just Jake Tapper alone, right, where you know that was, it was painful for him to sit there and watch this. Like, pleasant, kind guy from Germany saying, wow, this place is not bad. I mean, this is the same guy that a year ago was trying to sell his book, and that's therefore the only reason why he was coming clean, saying that he wasn't honest, basically, as a journalist at CNN with his social media in any way.

And he's just one of many stars at all of these networks. So it is incumbent upon us with all of our God-given platforms at this point to just speak the truth. And I do believe that that means even when it is uncomfortable, something that we don't want to report. We have to report the facts and the truth. That's how I was trained. 35, I'm aging myself years ago when I was in college. Like, your opinion actually doesn't matter when you're a journalist hosting those news shows. It's not about your opinion.

It's about the fact. We give the viewers, I mean the sports audience, whatever it is. the facts and then allow them to form their opinion. But that's not what's been allowed to happen in our country or in Europe. And I think we're seeing it. Well, and I will tell you right. And I know you're center right. I know you're, I'm right. I'm right wing. I'm right wing. No, I'm just said. I try to think clearly about all the issues and then you know where I end up. I've just given you plausible deniability for the next thing I'm about to say, which is I will tell you, Europeans, they marvel at our conservative movement. And the fact that we have this robust movement that can push back and fight back and go toe to toe with these guys because they don't have that in Europe at all. And so that's just one observation. I have to get to this story really quick, Sage. I did not warn you about this. So you can take it as you well. But there was a couple,

like I think a week ago, there was a story of this burning KKK white supremacy cross in Chicago. And I instantly tweeted out. I said, this is either a hoax or the SBLC funded it and it's still a hoax. Okay, we found the guy who set it on fire, and here he is, 49. I don't want to wait until he may or may not get impeached. I want him gone right now. I'm at video. Are you threatening him? No. You say that you think that he should be brought to an end. Lou says he built this cross after carrying wooden slats from his near west side apartment to Grand Park last Tuesday afternoon. He showed the red ball cap that he put on the top beam and used lighter fluid and toilet paper.

to get it all going. I put a red hat to signify the MAGA hat, the Make America Great Again hat. So that was, yeah, that's what I tied on top. Lou says he was protesting what he calls MAGA Christian nationalist supporters and the Trump administration ruling class. He's just scamming people.

So it's not a white supremacist. It was a gay Asian man named Merlin Lou. Merlin Lou. Merlin Lou. That's a name. Your reaction stage. your reaction stage if you want to weigh in. I hadn't heard. Yeah, always.

You know I'm no longer afraid now. 30 seconds. Or if you're canceled like dozens of times, you just don't care, you just talk. I hadn't seen that story that makes me sad. Remember a couple years ago all these stop Asian hate signs? Like you just can't keep up with all of the things that are out there. And what was his name, Jesse Smollett in Chicago? I mean, apparently this is a breeding ground for people like that who want to create fake narratives

to, I don't know, spread their, mission. It makes me so sad, but we've got to remember this. We have to remember that this is what the left has done so brilliantly, is indoctrinate these young people. We have to continue to educate about the facts. I knew it was a hoax, Sage. I saw it and I was like, no way. This is MAGA country. Insanity. You know? Sage Steele. Hosted the Sage Steele show. That was so much fun. Thank you, for joining us. Thank you guys. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.