The Charlie Kirk Show - Markwayne Mullin's Record Deportations + AMA 282

Episode Date: October 16, 2026

DHS Secretary Markwayne Mullin is overseeing the largest deportation operation in American history, and the wins are coming faster by the day. The secretary enters the studio to talk about the historic victories of the past year. Plus, Hillsdale professor Charles Steele dissects the appeal of socialism and answers concerns that AI advances require pivoting to a more centralized economy. The team takes a rapid-fire AMA and shows a Democrat blueprint for remaking America if they retake power. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com!    Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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the president still has a connection with the base unlike any other. Midterms are a base turnout operation and exercise. So he's doing the right thing. This is huge and hugely important. We're getting numbers coming in from Arizona, Nevada, New Hampshire, the three states that we're doing the full ballot chase in at turning point action. And I will tell you, at least in those three states now north carolina is looking not so great if we're just being honest but in those three states there's no blue nami i'm going to call it right now there's no blue nami anything can still happen we got to show up we got to do it but the numbers indicate that we are doing better than our 22 22 numbers and i will tell you in 22 you remember we fell 17000 ballads short and that

included all the shenanigans and all the lines and all the you know all the garbage we had to deal with in Maricopa. So good, good first indication, even Rich Barris, who is not exactly Mr. White Pill. I love Rich, but he'll, he'll not be pumping you up full of copium or opium. Even Rich Barris is saying Nevada and Arizona are massive bright spots on the map. So I'm all for this. One more time, 160 million people will vote in a presidential, but only 100 million people are probably going to turn out for this midterm. It's all about who shows up. It's all about the base getting out there and saying no to these crazy left left wing lunatics. We cannot have these people running our government and the levers of power. And I will explain that in another way in just a

second. Blake has a whole rundown on the left's 2029 plan. You want to be freaked out. You want to be terrified at the potential future we are staring at. Wait until Blake gets a hold of you this morning and you're going to love it. I do want to give a special shout out, however, to the brave Good Samaritan in Bend, Oregon. There was a school shooting yesterday while we were live doing our thought crime show. I was seeing the news reports come in. Terrible stuff. And we just want to say, thank God that Oregon somehow still has concealed permits.

And you can still carry a weapon in Oregon. I don't know how that has survived the communist in that state. But it has. And this gentleman was carrying. And there was a shooter in this parking lot. He ended up shooting up the parking lot. and this this uh this uh good samaritan's car even got shot up he trails him inside and takes him out unfortunately a five and eight and an 11 year old and one teacher were killed before he was able to do

this but he saw him enter the school he the the shooter shot the locks on the doors gets in breaches the the the school he follows him in and takes him out thank god i mean even cnn blake is praising this guy saying a lot of more kids would have died without this good Samaritan. So God bless him. Yeah, God bless him. If I ever have a chance to thank you in person, whoever you are out there, I really, really would love the opportunity.

I just want to shake your hand because that takes absolute bravery to see. He didn't know what age he was. Turns out it was the shoot of a 16, goes into the school, follows him in and takes him out. So God bless that man. That is just wonderful. And by the way, Oregon has a lot of great people in it. A ton of great people.

That eastern side of that state is about as red red blooded as it gets. So God bless him. All right. Blake, we've heard about Project 2025. Yes. It was much maligned. It was a big boogeyman during the election. And, you know, President Trump, he doesn't like other people to sort of muscle in.

So he's like, I don't, I don't know these guys. But a lot of those ideas were good ideas, stuff that we would have been endorsed anyways. Exactly. And they were ideas percolating within the ecosystem on the intellectual right. And we wanted to see them get. And for those who don't remember it, Project 2025, it was just, it was work at, uh, A few other people contributed. But the basic idea was, we all remember Trump's first term,

took a long time to get off the ground. There was not a lot of understanding of the mechanisms of how government worked. And so we just didn't get as much done in Trump's first term as we all would have wanted. And that's a big reason Trump's second term achieved so much more right away. He rolls in. He has all those executive orders. They bring in Doge. They fire a lot of people.

They dismantle a lot. That's why we're able to instantly control the border. were able to instantly do so many more things because they had better understanding of this. And I want to highlight this is an article in Vox. Do you remember Vox, guys? You don't hear about Vox.com nearly as much. They were obviously suffocating during Obama's second term. They are still around.

And there's an article from Zach Beecham, a writer there who's actually just leaving. It's his last article for them. The Radical Democratic Plan to Change the Government for Good. And what this is outlining is essentially, I love that headline, by the way. For good. For good. Yep. Double meaning there for sure from these guys. Is it forever or for worse? Yes. Or for good.

Yes. And it outlines what is in effect a project 2029. And it's a very long article. It's pretty sprawling because, for one, there's not literally a project 2029 on the left. They frankly didn't need any new NGOs, any new projects. They have

a ton of them already. It's called almost every other nonprofit in the country. I'm half convinced just for what it's worth that half of the Democrat base that votes is employed by an NGO. Yeah, or like a university. It's ridiculous. And then local government and they can create local government departments that just come up with these things. So this, for example, is heavily shaped by a Cornell law professor.

Let me get a name that is K. Sabil Rahman is the one person who embodies the real project 2029's vision. Sounds like a real American. Yeah. And a professor at Cornell. and basically it's just the whole article is pretty long, but it's essentially making the case that Democrats have now internalized certain theories of Project 25, that basically as much as they complain about Trump, what they do admire about Trump is his willingness to be visionary,

be really aggressive about what you can do with government, throw your weight around a bit. And the construct they have here is, well, we can make a left-wing version of this, a grab bag of policy ideas that will be more ambitious than a prior Democrat administration, but entrench democracy, as they would say. And empower the civil service. Remember, the left always means our oligarchy.

Our democracy equals our oligarchy. Just remember that. And by the way, still in this list are turning Puerto Rico into state, turning D.C. into a state, packing the Supreme Court, and they want to limit presidential powers because they're they've seen what president Trump has been able to accomplish through his use of executive order. It includes their goals. Their goals include funding community-based organizations that can both assist in effective policy implementation and organize against federal overreach, aka funnel your tax dollars

to all this like giant network of organizations that can gum it up if a right-wing government ever comes in. And yeah, rewrite the basic structures of D.C. government by blowing up the filibuster, making DC and Puerto Rico states and overhauling the Supreme Court. He throws this in a bullet list at the bottom of a bunch, and yet that's clearly the whole game. They say, oh, we're going to blow up the Supreme Court, blow up the filibuster. What their plan is, is they want to seize as much territory as possible and just make it immune to anybody undoing it. It is basically blow up checks and balances.

They're trying to trump proof a future government. So once they get power, they want to make sure that Trump is a guy. like Trump, whether it's J.D., Marco, whoever, can never do what Trump did again. That is their whole goal. And they want to insulate the civil service, meaning federal employees from being fired in the future. We're going to get a permanent bureaucracy. And their whole goal is to make communism more efficient so they can take your wealth, take your money, and give it to the pores that they import. That's the whole idea. All right. So we started this whole segment. Okay, so Trump's out. He's rallying the base get out and vote that's what charlie wanted for his birthday that's what we're begging you to do

go to tpaction dot com slash 100 100 ballots for us please get a plan to vote and for all your friends it's all about base turnout all about base turnout and guess what we're because we're staring at a very very bleak future if these lunatics get power yeah and the vox article paints it all out for yeah they they want to make communism more efficient more powerful i i i love it where they describe how they was one of the paragraphs remember this guy's friendly to them, this renovated federal government would be simultaneously more efficient and more constrained,

capable of reacting to economic crises, you can imagine how the left would want to do that, and delivering benefits while simultaneously incapable of prosecuting the president's political enemies, or wielding ice against peaceful protesters. Oh, get out of here. That's such a baffling

one, because it just shows this muddled idea that ice is sent in to beat up protesters, and no, what they're really basically saying is, I Yes, they would want the law to allow random protesters to make it impossible to enforce immigration laws. That's what they're saying. No, exactly. Because remember, the whole project is a replacement operation.

They want to replace America and its institutions, its values, and its people with third-worlders that will vote for them. And then their whole plan is to turn you into tax cattle. They are going to leach. It reminds me of that image from the matrix, where all the bodies are just placed on these huge fields and they're harvesting. their life force. Their body energy. That's what you will become to them. This is what you are in California, by the way. This is what you are in California. They

imported the third world and all the middle class are getting sucked dry. You can never get ahead because they make it impossible. They put a ceiling on your wealth creation ability and to get into the higher earning status or to build generational wealth. Because they're going to suck it off you and give it

to the pores. That's the whole point. What it is is, it's also basically a blueprint for anarcher tyranny. That's essentially what they're laying. out that they're saying this government will have unlimited power to do left-wing goals and essentially zero power to do something only the right would ever do. So they'll say, we're creating limits on government, but that limit will basically be ICE can just never properly arrest or deport. We'll never have proper immigration enforcement. That will be illegal because we believe in a limited government, but we believe in an unlimited government in terms of we're going to hire a vast

civil service. We'll insulate that civil service from the president, because we know the civil service will be left wing no matter what. So just make it insulated from a president blocking what they want to do. So it can just do left wing stuff to an unlimited degree. We're going to have unlimited deference from our Supreme Court, which will 100% shut down anything the right wants to do through the Supreme Court. It's very much this, it's anarcho tyranny in the sense. The left believes in unlimited power to do the things it wants to do and zero power for the right to do anything it wants to do. So you'll never be able to deconstruct their new apparatus, their communism apparatus. There was a clip from Mom Doni I just thought of so that we don't have it. But he said this

recently. And they was asking, I think it was on Theo Vaughn, where he said, what is socialism? He basically says, where the government gives you everything you need. That's their vision for the future. The same political movement that cannot run the post office thinks that they are going to take care of you from cradle to grade. This is not me throwing out cliches anymore. This is actually what they're saying out loud. Why this will never work. Margie Thatcher, she gave us that line. You eventually run out of other people's money. It's true, but it also is because you run out of it quicker because it leads to malaise.

Throw up the GDP per capita graph between us and Canada. Now, I am the $20 burrito guy. I understand there are affordability issues because we print too much damn money and we spend too much money as it is. But we are still doing the best out of anybody in the West. Look at this. United States to Canada. That is the big fork in the road. there was Trudeau versus Trump. Okay, Trudeau versus Trump, which way Western man? Do you want

malaise? Do you want an end of productivity? And this is why it's so exciting to tell you this story today. Because last night what we saw from Elon Musk and the launch of the Roadster, which was the big new story of the night, was truly something spectacular, something that only pioneering innovative entrepreneurs could accomplish. The government could never do this. at least not efficiently and that is the flying car this actually happened

show SOTSX flying cars are real yeah well a friend of my Peter Thiel once said that the future promised us flying cars but instead we got 140 characters well not anymore that's a good line

I mean it's such a perfect thing just played as B-roll play 7 as B-Row what we're talking about here I mean it's just such a perfect thing we were talking about this before the show, that what stands out about Elon Musk at this point is he's kind of one of the only businessmen in America actively trying to build anything cool and exciting that you should try to build things in your country that eight-year-olds will think are awesome. Eight-year-old boys will think are awesome. Very few people do that. And that project 2029, they don't

mention it in there. But a thing that would happen with that project 2029 is when the left gets power, they will make it a priority to destroy Elon Musk. Because he's not one of them, because he's done things that have upset them. They will try to destroy Tesla. They will try to destroy SpaceX. They will try to confiscate it. They talk about these things. They consider him an enemy. This is how powerful SpaceX has become where it's now a geopolitical, you know, hot potato. Ukraine is blaming SpaceX and Space Shield for, you know, they couldn't send their drones deeper into Russia or whatever. And Elon said, we'll talk to President Trump and the Department of War if you want. But that's how powerful the technologies that he's developed are,

the U.S. government is going to sever all ties. I can almost guarantee it, or so coerce him and strongman him that he won't want to do business with the federal government anymore. That is what they're going to do. They might imprison him, though. They might imprison him. They might find some sort of process, whatever. And this guy's

inventing flying cars with cold compressed air and suction technology where you can actually go upside down. That is awesome. And that is the power of having an economy and having a market system and a financial system under girding the entire thing, where we get to build cool things in this country. This is still America. You should be kissing the ground that you walk on, that you get to live in this beautiful country where things like this

happened. And the left will destroy it. They are like a plague of locust. They will come in and destroy every good thing that this country has. Why? Because they're riddled with grievance and resentment and jealousy and bitterness that they're not richer, more powerful, more influential than they are. They want to destroy you. They want to destroy this country. Zero gratitude. We can't let them. And ultimately, the entire conversation comes down to a debate of ideas, capitalism versus socialism, gratitude versus resentment. An important message from noble gold investments. November 3rd, control of Congress is on the line, and whatever happens, your savings are going to feel it.

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love Hillsdale. They have the smartest people. And Dr. Charles Steele, is one of them. And I, doctor, welcome back to the show. It's good to see you. I, you know, I heard you had a note for me on my news nation thing where I was talking about the American dream and, you know, be grateful to live here. And you had a note that you said, if the American dream is dead for you, it's just because you stop dreaming. And I, I do think Gen Z has a unique set of challenges that makes it more challenging for young people. I talk to a lot of them. But I fundamentally really agree with you. If you show me, if you have optimism, about the future or pessimism, I can basically predict your next 20, 30 years. So I think you're

spot on. Welcome back to the show, though. Thank you. I'm very happy to be here. So, listen, we've got the DSA, we've got Mom Doni, El-Sayed. They promise opportunity, dignity for all, you know, but they're underlying what they're talking about is a Marxist ideology. And so it's been failed time and time again. It's based on government control, government coercion, government seizing the means of production, rigging the game for one set of people against another. Explain how you see this dynamic that is facing the country and, you know, why you think it's problematic. Well, sure. Let me talk first about the DSA and some of their ideas. They really are Marxist. Sometimes they will say that they're not, they say, oh, we're not

really communists. It's a bit puzzling. Pick up their, their platform. the most recent platform and read it and see what they talk about it. It begins by saying imagine a world without capitalism, a day without capitalism, and it begins by saying that everything is provided for people, including free transportation, free health care, free food, free housing, free education, everything. Nothing is going to be, everything is going to be provided by the government. Now that's been tried, of course, in places like the Soviet Union.

If the government provides everything for you, you are dependent of the government. You are a serf. You do what you're told. And that's the way it is. There is no freedom in such a system. Fundamentally, it doesn't work. It doesn't work as far as material wealth and things. But more importantly, it's destructive of freedom.

It's spiritually destructive to live under such a system because you are a serf. You're a slave. And ultimately, there's no dignity in that. they say that, you know, we're going to stop poverty. You don't stop poverty that way. You stop poverty by creating opportunity for people. My point about the American dream is that really success begins with a mindset that the individual has to have. You want to be successful?

You've got to start, you've got to do it yourself. You can't be a dependent. You've got to be self-responsible. And there's a great deal of, you know, we think of, I'm an economist. So people think that we're talking about just material wealth or something. That's not it at all. We're talking about human action. And some of the most fundamental things are people's, you know, their meaning of life.

And it's a meaningful life is one where you actually do things and accomplish things. Oh, I totally agree. There's so much about the socialist, Marxist ideology that just fundamentally doesn't work. It is incompatible with human nature. I mean, but not even, I would even go further. I don't even think it's incompatible with human. major, I think it indulges the worst parts of human nature, that it derives a lot from resentment, that it derives from the, it's in all of us to be angry at people who have more than us, or who seem better than us.

It's a real thing to be resentful of people who are more talented, more driven, more accomplished than you. And you can respond to that positively or negatively. Exactly. But my point is, is that if everybody is not incentivized to produce more, the macro system will have less. And then that's, and so I'm thinking in 30,000 foot terms, but you could, you could think of a lot of sort of on the ground where the rubber meets the road real life examples too. But on the aggregate, if all of us are just sort of said, has the mindset of a bus driver on a public bus where we clock in and we clock out and that's all we do. That's all, because that kind of is what their idea of human dignity is that nobody would have to work their

fingers to the bone and they would have everything provided for them. But the problem is, is that when you put that out into a macro level, the system does not have enough to meet all of those needs. It just will not work fundamentally. I don't know if what I'm saying is making sense to you, Dr. Steele, but perhaps you could shed some light on what I'm grasping at here. You're both actually making some sense here. So first of all, is socialism compatible with human nature? Human have a very complex nature and one of the things people some people gravitate to socialism or think it's a good idea and so i guess you could say well if people do it it's part of their nature but there's something a little different there's envy and things like that and that's a part of

human nature a friend of mine a retired philosophy professor not from hillsdale pointed this out and he's very concerned with the plight of poor people and things but he said that it isn't that that the working poor that he knows are resentful of people who have wealth or have more than them. They're resentful of people who didn't earn it, who didn't get it fairly. If they earned it fairly, most people tend to say, well, you earned it. You're wealthy because you earned it. And that's entrepreneurship that puts people in those places. If you've got it through government privilege, that's a different thing.

And that causes a great deal of, of course, I think, deserved resentment. But the thing that the socialists tend to cultivate is the feeling of victimhood, the feeling that people didn't earn their wealth, that nobody, that we don't, you know, if they're billionaires, there's some, somehow that's bad for everyone else because they have a lot. They have a lot because they created a lot more for other people and you get wealthy that way. So they've made the world better for everyone else. You create value, you earn profit. Absolutely agree. We were just talking about Elon Musk, and it's hilarious because the left wants to crush him, destroy him, sees his wealth, basically do whatever they can to destroy his companies as well. And this is coming from the same organization or the same ideology rather that thinks that they can run everything efficiently, but they can't run the post office.

They can't run the DMV. They can't run public hospitals. Okay. So this is, something isn't going to math up here. But let me challenge you a little bit with some of the, of the thoughts that our younger people are confronted with on college campuses, that there are excesses in the free market, right? There are industries that can somehow coalesce and, you know, they get through acquisition or whatever, and you get these monopolistic powers, right? You get

powers that could exceed the government in some ways. What is the proper role when it comes to interacting between the government and the market forces and private industry. Well, I might challenge, first of all, some of the claims that are made about monopoly. I'm expressing what our kids are here. Right. I understand. Yes, I understand. But maybe we need to not just say, well, respond.

We don't accept the opposition arguments at face value. Yeah. Right. Don't allow, this is something people should always do. don't allow the other side to frame the terms of debate because they will put you into a box where they will change the meaning of words and then you find yourself trying to try to defend something that can't be defended from their perspective but so for example monopoly what is monopoly monopoly is actually the case where a firm dominates a market a particular market particular industry and reduces the amount of stuff that it makes therefore with a smaller amount of stuff being put on the market, the price will be higher and they wield these market powers, monopoly power. It is not the case where you have one large industry or one large firm or business in an industry. That may not be a monopoly at all. And a great example of this is SpaceX. SpaceX last year did more than half of the

launches of rockets into space for the entire world, the rest of the world, including NASA, the Chinese, the Russians, everyone else. And rocket labs. And rocket lab and everyone else did less than half of what, or did less than half the launches in the world. SpaceX actually put up 80% of the tonnage, the mass. Sure. That was put onto orbit last year.

They're not a monopoly. They're just really, really effective. And they have lowered the cost, not raised it. We get more. But, Dr. Seale, I'm going back in my mind to kind of Teddy Roosevelt, trust busting, you know. Standard oil. That was tobacco. That was meat packing, standard oil, the railroads.

He determined that it was not in the best interest of the public at that time. And Teddy is a guy that a lot of conservatives are looking at in a renewed way in this era, saying, are there lessons to glean from that when we're talking about the free market? On some issues, they should not look to him. And standard oil is one. Standard oil, when it took over a market, actually reduced the prices and increased the amount of oil that went on the market. They were reaping, what we call in economics, economies of scale. By doing things on a large scale, they made it better for consumers.

And when the government intervened and broke that up, they made consumers worse off. Okay, what about the other ones? Meatpacking. What about railroads? Meatpacking. Meatpacking was a meatpacking is interesting because that was orchestrated by small, packers who didn't like the competition and it was an example of regulatory capture railroads the only railroad that did not go bankrupt was the great northern of james j hill and the ones that were subsidized

by the federal government and controlled by them all went bankrupt uh there should not be a great deal of government intervention in the market because it tends to skew things and create monopolies I want to talk a little bit about socialism, right? Please. It's a buzzword, right? Because socialism, will you define socialism for us? Because people say it a lot and don't know what it is. And sometimes those people are me.

I'm so happy to be with those people right now. Socialism to me, it means that you will have whatever you need to live a dignified life. and that it is the government's job to deliver on that. Wow. Whatever you need to live a dignified life. I would love for him to define. An excellent flexible definition. I would love for him to define what he thinks is a dignified life for me

because currently I get to define that for myself. And Mr. Mom Dani, Mr. Ugandan Muslim socialist slash communist, uh, doesn't. And I'm really excited that he doesn't yet. And anyways, that's a very interesting definition, Dr. Steele. When you hear him say that, and I do want to get back into trust busting, but because it's all interrelated, because he wants to seize the means of production when he doesn't like it, when he doesn't like who it favors, when he doesn't like the outcomes of it. But there is this, you know, I have so many questions for you. Just respond to Mom Donnie first, and then I'm going to get what we call common good conservatism.

Well, I wouldn't call what he was saying. I wouldn't say what he was saying was socialism, but I would say, yes, what you really need to live a dignified life is freedom. And yes, the government should protect that for you. I guess I found some common ground with Mamdani, and I'm astonished. No, that was barely common ground. You actually contradicted him brilliantly in a beautiful way. Twisting things a little bit. But actually, his point about socialism is that you cannot.

You cannot be a ward of the state and live a dignified life. It just cannot happen. That's a contradiction. Yeah. Amen. So we're talking about trust busting. You had some great historical knowledge to kind of, I guess, deconstruct some of my misperceptions of it or common misperceptions of what Teddy Roosevelt did.

All right. But we have a concept called common good capitalism, right? You're hearing it a lot, common good conservatism, where there is a propensity to look at economic outcomes and ask the question, does this benefit our national security, our national interests, our American workers? This is where tariffs. That debate comes in a lot. And we have this whole thing about AI. Is AI going to destroy us? So these are the criticisms of unfettered free market capitalism. And I don't know if you want to chime in here. I was thinking just because we talked about stuff in the past, but I think there's a widespread sense, certainly among young people, but really people of all ages, it does seem with the AI age that's, inaugurating. It just feels different from prior eras. If we're going to talk about, for example,

the power of large firms. I was reading something coming on the way in. This is a guy on, I believe, hacker news, so a tech-related website. I've been having a silent panic attack for the last three days. I don't have anyone to talk to that would understand my concern. I run a small audio company. We make guitar pedals and audio effects. And what he goes on to describe in his post is that with AI, it is possible for someone to basically completely dissect every single facet of every single product on his market now. So every single technical mode that has ever existed, like you actually can't go and like build your own better product because your opponent, your competitor could instantly figure out exactly what it is and just make it. So if you're

already the largest manufacturer, for example, you can just outcompete anyone. And I feel like people are starting to wonder, is that going to be the case for everything now? That now, whoever owns the machines that can basically generate AI can just control everything. Right. Okay. Yeah, I see your point. So these are the challenges to this idea of unfettered free market capitalism. Basically, they're going to say, we need socialism because we've built a machine that can just generate infinite intelligence and no one can compete with that. And whoever, they talk about They have lingo in Silicon Valley that this is your last chance to escape the global underclass, as they call it, by getting among the people who own the robots, as they say. I guess what would your response to that be?

This time, it's a bit of an inside joke for me, but this time is different. This is nothing, in one sense, this is nothing new. This goes back to the original the Luddites saying that, well, now that we have the automatic, the mechanical loom, there will be nothing for humans to do we're going to be replaced i don't think that's going to happen uh i use for a counter view to what you're hearing i was interviewing a an expert that works for an an AI company and they do a lot of a i artificial intelligence consulting and they do this for city governments and things people who want to learn to use AI and need to solve a problem she pointed out to me something pretty interesting because i said you know does this

Does this mean there'll be economies of scale and there will just be a few big firms that run things? Like what you're warning about. She said, I don't really see it that way. Right now, small mom and pops are to disadvantage in particular because of laws, regulations, and things like that, and they can't handle it. Great example would be the practice of medicine. There's basically no such thing anymore as an independent doctor. everybody has to be part of a very large practice because to do medicine you have to have an IT staff you have to have a legal staff you have an accounting staff and a single doctor can't handle it maybe could handle it once that can be automated with AI and so actually this may free people to use their creative skills great deal more I think that it is much more of a much more of a mindset thing that people just become fearful of okay

of advance and change. I think I agree with you on that because they did the same thing as you said with the loom, but also the railroad and also the dot com. We've seen this time and time again, the combustible engine. And so far, we've managed to find jobs for everybody, or at least most of everybody. But when we talk about government's role interacting with the free market, like I said, this calm and good, I don't love using that. But the idea of directing capital flows so that they would better, serve the national interest. Is that something that you're open-minded to, right? When it comes to, you know, COVID, we couldn't make vitamin C, you know, in the country or PPE or whatever. Is that something that resonates with you or do you still have issues with that? It does not resonate. Well, it mostly does not resonate with me. One problem is that the people who, typically, the people who talk about common good have their own personal definition of what common good is. It's not really something that we all have in common. It tends to be one person's vision for what is good.

I'm very skeptical of that. It starts getting into a central planning mentality. Now, if you say, are there certain industries that we do need to preserve for purposes of defense and security, then it starts to make some sense. And I have some things to say about how that might be done. But I don't think it's having good government. I know that it's not having. having the government take over the economy and start directing capital, because government is

remarkably poor at that. Yeah, I think it's safe to say that the U.S. government, but governments in general are the least efficient distributors of capital that have ever existed in the history of humanity. This is why guys like Elon Musk, we're champions of Dr. Steel, we're out of time. This was really fun. We have to keep this going, though, because these are the real central questions that young people are facing when it comes to questions of capitalism in the economy. Thank you.

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Wayne Mullen, a personal friend and a great American. And I'm frustrated to tell you, it looks like he still finds time for the gym. Yes. Every morning. And the man overseeing. Let's just die. Let's just jump right into that. The man who was overseen what we were touting yesterday, we went over the 20 promises

President Trump made in the 24 campaign and how well he did on them. And the first two were secure the border and have the largest deportation operation. Yeah. And American history. He 17 out of 20 promises firmly kept. And here's some, here's some graphics for you if you want to look. That that, that is

the Southwest border. encounters under President Trump. They said it couldn't be done, and then you guys have done it. Well, Biden said he needed Congress to act. The American people said, no, we just need a new president. Yeah, exactly. Go to the next graph here, because

you know, some of these, Danny knows what I'm talking. That's deportations. I think you have ICE arrests. Yeah, and this is great, too, because you see where you got hired on the job there, that little moment where you're, you know, reconfiguring everything. And now look at those numbers. Monthly records. Like a rocket ship.

And then I show the Cato one because this is actually my favorite one. Did you know that Cato is going to be like your chief PR spokesperson? No, I did. These are legal immigrants. Every day the Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank is putting out these whiny tweets that are like, legal immigration is at the lowest level in ages. They're not letting in refugees anymore. You know all we did right here is Joe Edlo with USCIS is a genius.

And unfortunately, out of all of my components, of 22 components, he probably has the highest death threats. And it's because he's a Jewish American. And it's sad. Oh, wait. So you're saying a Jewish American is behind this, that graph right there? This is what I'm talking about. Well, he didn't make the graph, obviously. Oh, I know.

But Joe Edlow, when we sit down and talked, first of all, he looks like an attorney. He acts like an attorney. And I don't know if he is, but he missed his calling. but he is whip smart. But he also knows immigration policy better than anybody that I have been around. And he can quote the law and he sat down and talked to him. He's like, look, these are our loopholes that we've identified with these visas that's coming in. That these countries are taking advantage, university you're taking advantage of chain migration, you know, businesses that are taking advantage of it, naturalizations, all this.

stuff. And he says, this is what we can do to close these little polls. And I said, why haven't it been closed? He said, I just need authorization. I said, Joe, do it. So I'd like to take credit for it. It came to me. No, you should take credit for it. All we had to do is just authorize it. But it was, it wasn't that policy had to be changed. It just had to be enforced, which is why I go back to this all the time.

And I say, inside of Department of Homeland Security, we don't make the laws. We enforce our nation's laws. And we're not picking and choosing. We're enforcing them across. the board. I mean, it was just such a farce that Biden and the Democrats ran with us for years, this idea that, oh, America doesn't have the laws to allow it to protect itself from being invaded by unlimited. We have a suicide pact because, you know, we're so divided. Yeah. So do you know, do you know what is the most frustrating thing that I dealt with the first few months I'm in office? I don't deal with it now, but when I first came in as secretary is people started with no. And not everybody, but a lot of

these, especially your careers, I'm not saying anything bad about it because I'm telling you, I have 270,000 patriots that work for me. But careers are used to a certain way that's always been done. And they always say, they would say, well, sir, we can't do this because. And I'd be, I'd stop and I say, is it statute or is it a rule? A rule, we can change. Statute, I can't. A rule means we wrote and we created a bureaucracy. If it's statute, we'll comply. If it's a rule, we're going to change the rule and we're going to move. And that's what we did. So when you go to that cato graph on legal immigration, because, and listen, I'm going to say some things, you don't have to endorse them. But for me, I've been raging against legal immigration.

I think we have too much. I think there's too many loopholes. We let in people that don't like us, all these things, right? So when I see this, I mean, I literally stood up and started clapping. I wanted to send a thank you note to the Cato Institute for putting in such a beautiful graph for us. You know, 1.2 million green cards a year is what we were doing under Biden. And, you know, that's the state of Montana every year. That's the state of Arkansas every three years. Just masses of people coming in. Masses, massive.

And that's including the refugees or TPS. Exactly. So is that by statute or is that rule? So do we have to have 1.2? Or are you able, according to this graph, Are you able to say, hey, there's rules that allow that we wrote that we can sort of interpret the way we need to to serve the interests of the country? We don't interpret the way we need to. We just interpret it.

What we're doing, the laws were actually pretty tight. In 1959, when law this stuff was done, because if you think of true overhaul, immigration enforcement, most of the laws we're dealing with today was written in 1959. Now, people talk about 1983 underneath the Reagan administration, that wasn't really laws. that was just really more of an executive order that the president worked with there wasn't a law there but that also led to the amnesty

that we're all scared about. But since then, people just laxed it. They didn't enforce it fully to its intent. What we do is we go back and we look at it what was the intent and what's the actual statute say and then we apply it. We didn't have this mass immigration, this mass amount of people coming in

during the 80s, during the 90s, during the 70s, during the 60s. And mind you, during the 70s, we came out of Vietnam War. We had a huge influx of the Asian population that came in. After World War II, we had a huge influx of Asia, especially from China, that came in to the United States. We have a huge influx from all over Europe that came in. But we still didn't see the influx we're having a day. So why is it so much, why is it so much larger now?

it's because we weren't actually looking at who we were bringing in the country and we had the authority to do that. We wasn't actually using biometrics. Now, back then they didn't have biometrics, but they had other ways to look at it. We do have that now. We can find someone's background. We can actually see their full intent. We can see what their history is. And one thing that we applied because of President Trump's leadership is, are they going to be a contributor to a society or are we going to be taking care of the rest of their life?

Right. Do they have the ability to stand on their own or are they going to be filing for, for, for, government assistance from the first time they step in. The public charge. Simply applying that knocks down a load of individuals, right? We want people. Speaking of knocking down loads of individuals, so we saw that chart. You're getting record arrests.

Right. Does DHS have a way of tracking and estimating the self-deportation side of this? And how do they calculate it? I hate the word self-deportation. True. Because self-deportation means 90% of those individuals actually were in custody. But when you go,

when after we process you, process you and say, okay, you're going to, you're going to the detention center to start the process. Every, every detention center has iPads.

And we have about one iPad per about five to ten individuals locked up. And they can watch movies. They can contact their attorney. They can play games. They check it out like you do libraries, right? But on the,

on the front of it, every time you hit the, you hit the, the, the, the, light it up. There's a button that says self-deport.

Every time. And it says, and it's you've heard of Papa Fads. I love this. It's a smiley face, yes, and it's orange. And so it looks like a round smiley face, you know, like a happy face. And it's like, want to get out of here? And it says, hey, you want to go? We'll pay you $3,000 and we'll put you on a plane

as soon as you hit this button. We'll start to process. So they're setting there, you can imagine by week two, them sitting there, and they're going, you know, this sucks. I want to go home. We want to help you go home. And so that's where 90% of the self-deportations come from. These aren't individuals that's walking across a border and saying, hey, bye, I'll see you later. The rest of them are individuals just contact us and said, hey, I want to go home.

Does that still apply? I hope there's a larger population, though, of just, you know, some Guatemalan in the suburbs of Chicago that's like, I don't have my papers. I'm just going to, I'm going to leave. Or I'm getting on the CBP home app. Well, that's the problem. A lot of this is they don't have papers. and so the country they're wanting to go to, we can't put them on a plane

because maybe you've got to have a passport. So for you to get on an international flight, what do they do before you get on an international flight when you fly commercial right now? Check your passports. Check your passports, right? A lot of these guys don't have passports. They don't have documentations.

So we almost 100% of the individuals that do leave, we have to provide, other than the ones going out of Mexico, we have to work with that country they're going to get documentation. That usually takes a week or two. that's something that I didn't realize until I got in this position too. So self-deportation doesn't mean you left on your own.

That just meant that you didn't go through the court system. So to be self-deported costs us about $5,500 per person. To go through the court system, it costs us $8,250 per person. So it saves us money to get to do this paperwork. Money well spent. I've actually been, I've actually trying to change that word from self-deportation to assisted deportation because that's really what it's about. That's very Trumpian of you, right?

Superintelligence. There is no anything else but super intelligent. I'm not even saying the other word. I just made that very clear on his true social post. I just want to flag because there's so many. We try to emphasize why these midterms matter. It's not one step back that there's been huge progress and Democrats would love to undo this.

And there's a great, maybe you've even heard of this guy. He's prowler on X and he's like an account. He has like a video game avatar, but all. he does is post-immigration wins from the administration. This is one from literally yesterday last night. It just says in Concord California, a very left-wing court, relief granted to aliens who request it has cratered from 30% to 2% removal orders have more than tripled this year. Hitting an all-time high. How are you getting the immigration courts to be much less of a bureaucratic hurdle than they used to be? That is Stephen Miller working with DOJ.

right Stephen Miller is a logistic guru if I was going to start up a company to do a cargo or or anything for that's going to require logistics I don't care if it's shipping whatever it is I'm bringing Stephen Miller with me he he just sees it he sees three four levels down and so every time we have a DOJ win and we get it in we get it in court we are we are we can apply that to the next case so So it's kind of like the environmentalist underneath the sue and settle that started really heavy underneath the Obama error with environmentalist. You're right. They would go in, they sue EPA, and then the EPA would settle, and it would create a court case that they would go back and then. There's a precedent. Yes, and then reapply it. We do the same thing with immigration. We have a rent-to-repeat issue with immigration. TPS is, we see the same thing over again. Asylum, we see the same thing over again. different cases that we come in with false documentation.

We see it. So every win speeds it up. However, we still have roughly, I'm using a rough number here, but we have roughly 80,000 people right now in detention that is waiting to be deported, but we're waiting on either the country to accept them, paperwork to come in, or the court cases. And we are 1,500 judges behind. DOJ once again is working with us to help eliminate that.

But every time we win a court case, which is kind of funny because we got these liberal groups that sue us all the time, we win almost every one of these cases because we have a law on our side. You can't, like I said, I'm going to repeat myself, I don't make the laws. I enforce the laws. So when we're enforcing the law is pretty cut and dry. So I don't care how liberal the judge is when we set it in front of them, they have to read and interpret the law the same way we do. And so every time they sue us, we get a win. They actually speed up the deportation process. That's great.

Yeah. Yeah. So one of the other things that I think you've done a phenomenal job on is, you know, this protest movement that erupted at Minneapolis with the surge there. And we haven't seen it as bad. I mean, obviously they saw a model. They want to rinse and repeat, right? That's exactly what they want to do.

So they want that, right? They tried it in New York. They tried it in New York. That's exactly what I was about to get to. So you had this story. A New York PD detective was ambushed and stabbed seven to ten times. I'm seeing two different numbers. Seven.

By two illegals from the Dominican Republic. Then in that same kind of time frame, another illegal from the DR, Oscar Delgall, this was the one they tried to protest on, was shot after he tried to ram ICE officers and flee. This was crazy. His rap sheet includes robbery, assault, grand larceny. This did not stop some of the, like, hardcore guys from trying to protest. what happened there. Weapons violation, gang affiliation.

This guy, this guy's crazy. And actually, I love it because Bruce Blakman's actually using this against Kathy Hokel in the debates. 16,070 ICE detainers in New York alone. These people have been charged or convicted of 52,503 crimes. You have 16,000 foreigners that should not be here. They are illegals that you guys are trying, you're begging them. Give us these people. And they're convicted of 52,000.

thousand crimes and Kathy Hokel's defending keeping them in her city. Ha! It's maddening because it's so obvious to people like you and me that this does not make your people safer. This does not make New York better. It makes it weaker. It makes it more crime riddled. How is that process going?

Because I know that was one of your big pushes to say, hey, just cooperate with us. If you don't like the raids, you don't like a big group of 12 dudes coming in trying to arrest one person because you need the defense, you need the security, the backup. Because that's dangerous. It's way safer to do it at the prison level, at the jail level. How's that effort going? Well, Oscar, let's use Oscar, for example. He has only been in the country three years.

He had that long of a rap sheet. He was arrested when he first got to the country in 23 on criminal charges. He's been on probation for three years. And he's been arrested multiple times, and New York City kept releasing him. Just thinking about this. They threw a big fit, the mayor threw a big fit about us going and apprehended him. But we're like, well, wait a second. We had a detainer on.

him. If you would have just handed him to us, we wouldn't have been in the neighborhood. And then this same neighborhood in the Bronx was an approximate area is where this individual that was stabbed seven times. NYPD officer was stabbed seven times in the Bronx by also two individuals from

Dominican Republic that had the same exact rap sheet, not exact, but same lengthy rap sheet as Oscar did, and we also had to detain her on one of those individuals. If they would just release these guys to our custody and allow us to ship them out, they're illegal. It's not like their LPRs.

It's not like they had a visa. Even if they did, by the way, it would be revoked. But they didn't have any legal status when they were arrested to begin with. So this isn't even like should be controversial. Hand them to us. Think of how many criminals we get off the streets. President Trump said this very clearly. 2% of the population creates 90% of the crimes.

So true. 2%. Now, if you think about the 20 million plus individuals that came over during the Biden administration, and how many of those are gangbangers? I mean, just since President Trump's been in office, we've arrested 2,268 terrorists that were released into this country underneath the Biden administration.

Now, these aren't individuals that were on a watch list. These were terrorists that we were looking for and they were inside our country that were released or snuck into the country underneath the Biden administration. It really is, it really is like, and the obstacles you face from New York, California. Like, the only way.

you can describe it is they literally want the worst criminals to be in the United States. So let's think about this. This is something that if you get on your phone and you ask GPT or is it GTP, I don't think it's GTP. If you ask it, how do you change a red state to

blue? It'll tell you that you got to change the demographics. If you go in there unless they've changed this because I use this example all the time. And if you also change it, how do you go, how do you change a democracy to a socialist it also says change the demographics so for you for I want to just say this I went to clot and I said how do you change a red state to blue the very first bolder thing demographics and migration there you go right so so if you're going to

it that's it's it's it we please put this on social yeah so if you're going to change our country you have to change the demographics and if you're going to take us from a republic to a socialist country, you have to create chaos. And to create chaos, it's because you can say, hey, look, what you have isn't working, you need another form of government. So therefore, a socialist,

we're going to take care of it for you. And then you go from socialist to communism. And then, by the way, it's failed too, and you try to come back and reclaim your democracy. That's their whole goal. That's why this whole open border, 20 million plus individuals coming to the country, wanting to legalize

them, wanting amnesty, because they know they can change the demographics of it. And if you had the criminals that come in, it creates chaos on your streets. Therefore, they can say, hey, look, what you have isn't working. If you defund the police, if you try to, if you try to, what, civilian, what's the mayor of, of, yeah, civilian, they want to, they want to, they want to, the mayor of Chicago just came out with the press conference. I read it yesterday that he's wanted to take portions of the police to help budget their,

to balance their budget, to change it to a civilian population. Yeah, it's almost like social workers. Yeah. And you're going, no, that. that doesn't work because if we don't enforce our nation's laws, we become a lawless nation. If you become a lawless nation, then you start having a fell state. When you start having a fell state, then you start looking for a different form of government, therefore you have socialism.

That's what I think they're playing with. Everything is downstrue. I was reading about a very historic restaurant business in Los Angeles is basically saying it's going out of business because they can't afford power bills. But another facet of that is because California is such a lawless anarchy on immigration and everything else. For example, every legal restaurant in L.A. is getting destroyed because they have illegal food trucks everywhere. The government brags about this.

And they just openly say, we're not going to enforce any of our health laws, any of our location laws, any of our parking laws, any of our disability laws. All those laws that make it so impossible to be a legal citizen business owner in L.A. Do not apply if you're an illegal immigrant who wants to just run an illegal food truck. And keep in mind, the Democrats sold sanctuary cities and sanctuary states as humane because they're doing it for these poor illegals that are needs. a place to have safe haven. Now what you've seen is the whole ushering in of other illicit activities. I mean,

you have, and the safe haven that these cities and these states create is, you have child molesters, so you have predators that are running wild, you have rapists, you have murders. Just in New York City right now in detention, we have over 250 illegals

that murdered somebody. That's 250 Americans that should be alive today because they're murdered. Yeah, I'm just saying in New York. No, I know. I'm just saying they could have murdered two or three people. Yeah, could have been. But I'm just using a simple number.

Number, you start looking at what all comes out of this, the drug activity that flows out of these cities and goes into other parts of the country that aren't sanctuary cities. It all starts because of their lack of enforcement of just our nation's laws or their own laws. Right. Well, and, you know, you talk about humane. I hate when they use the word humane because it's anything but. It's 100% even.

450,000 migrant children that they just lost and you're tracking them down. So we found, how many of them were raped? In the last, in the last two weeks, we found 3,300 kids. Great. Out of the 450,000 kids, we're down to, we found 100 and just under 100 or just over 160,000. The problem is, is a bunch of them are aging out. And when they age out, meaning they get to 18, whole another issue about trying to find them.

That's a, and it's sad. Because once you hit 18, you become adult, it's, there's different rules that apply, especially for us, states, their, their human services agencies don't work with us. Not like the blue states were doing that anyways. But it is, we found just in Houston a few weeks ago, a 12-year-old that was zip-tied, hands-zip-tied on the, on the, on the side of the street that was running that had escaped. She had been trafficked for years. This was just a few weeks ago.

12-year-old. Humane. She had been raped for years. What's so evil about this. And by the way, she was an immigrant, too. Well, I say an immigrant. She was trafficked. Yeah.

So this is what's so infuriating about this. Basically, you know, we're having this whole affordability debate, which is not really your bailiwick these days. It was when you were a senator. But, you know, and the Democrats, their whole plan is they say, well, we're going to make things affordable again. And gas prices. It's like, listen, okay, you guys call.

close down the refineries. You guys wanted high gas prices to usher in the EV revolution in the first place. But when you talk about affordability, their whole plan is to say, we're going to tax basically native-born Americans to then hand out welfare checks to all these third worlders that we bring in. This whole millions and millions and millions of people are just going to keep coming in because they want to replace the demographics so that they can take everything in a new direction, burn it down, destroy our institutions, destroy the republic. Anyways, the point is, That is the whole process. That's the whole project.

And that's why you represent a ground zero in their fight. That's why they call ICE the Gestapo. That's why they are so hell-bent on destroying and obstructing what you're doing because they know that if they can replace the population, then they're going to be successful in their project eventually. Yeah, but let's talk about the, I can talk about forability because it actually affects us a little bit. Every city that has worked with us with immigration policy.

Now, mind you, the left will say, if you come in and you take all of our laborers, you know, prices are going to skyrocket. Let me tell you what's happened in the cities that's cooperated. When we went in and we've done strong law enforcement, immigration law enforcement, working with locals, meaning that they're working part of the 287G program. They do most of the work we just are transporting at that point. 6% drop in housing prices. Rents, yeah, and houses. 6%. Why?

Because the illegal population is taking up so much of the housing. 6% drop on the affordability. Now, that's your base, right? You've got to have a place to live. You've got to have a place to house. And then you see job markets start increasing. You're not seeing the workload stop. You're just seeing wages increase.

And you're not seeing prices go up because people are still competing for the job because guess what? We're not competing against the illegal businesses anymore. Now people are competing for the job that's out there and they're paying actual the wage that needs to be paid for that skilled labor. Well, I saw a story out of like Southern Texas where a bunch of these small business owners, whether it was like car tinting, you know, putting wraps on cars, car stereos, all that the Americans got pushed out of business because once the illegal flood came in,

those were the first jobs they took. Trucking. Yeah, trucking. Look at CDL when they were putting no name given on CDLs and putting all these legals on the streets. Yeah, I mean, listen, you guys are doing heroes work and we have so little time and I could talk to you forever about this stuff. shot that out. I checked and of course road deaths are also going down in the United

States right now. Imagine that. Now, I don't want to say this. You guys keep saying the work I'm doing. I just empowered the men and women that work for me to do their job. That's what a job my circus did not do. But they are doing the job. I just came from a couple of facilities

here and everywhere I go is I say, look, I walked into an agency that's been shut down for 40 plus days. I heard 270,000 patriots. I have other cabinet members to say, our agency is full of bureaucracy and careerist. I walk into an agency that had been tested. They didn't quit doing their job. They didn't quit protecting the homeland.

They didn't walk off the job. They weren't doing remote working. They were showing up every single day for free, and I get to be part of that. And so those men and women, all they need to say is go do your job. And they've done it. We're going to do rapid fire here because I only got you for like three more minutes here.

Sounds like my wife and I come home. All right. So I do want to give you a shout out. Under President Trump and Secretary Mullen, DHS announces lowest fiscal year border crossings in American history. So shout out. That just came out today. 17 months is zero releases. It's unbelievable.

It's fantastic. It's just unbelievable. Okay. But I'm going to, okay. We seen that graph. Danny, if you can put up the graph again of the deportations, the ICE arrests. It's going up. How high could it go?

Is it going to keep going up or are we kind of hitting? Because at some point, it becomes really hard to find these people and arrest them. But look at that ramp. up another congrats. So I think we can hold the level for a little while. After the election, I think you're going to see

especially if elections go well for Republicans. If elections go well for Republicans, you're going to see elected officials, statewide elected officials, governors and stuff, start saying they're going to need to cooperate with us. And they're going to start releasing these individuals. The more we talk about detainers and about who these people are that they're turning back on the streets,

the more pressure applies to the, to the individuals. So we can hold this level. But if we if we if it goes well, another reason to get out and vote because we got to keep putting pressures on these maniacs to keep cooperating. It'd be so cool if we could get a hundred thousand. That would be a great. That would be a huge accomplishment. But you're doing great work here and it's never been done in our nation's history. Okay, let's talk about H1Bs. I this. $100,000 what? Did you arrest? It's just a nice round number. It's a, it would be such a headline. It was a straight time. It would be a headline. It would be tough. And I'd hate putting quotas because we're,

serving warrants on the worst of the worst. What happens when we serve the warrants is we find about three, it was four, now we're finding about three what we call collateral criminals. The one we're serving warrants, they're never by themselves. They always hang out with other illegals. And so by being focused on just serving the warrants of the worst of the worst, we're also picking up other illegals. And by the way, you're still here legally. Okay, good. Okay, because the worst of the worst, there's a big debate on the, I know you know all about it. We, because we're part of the, all of them must go, but I understand you got a political.

No, actually, when I serve the warrant on the worst, the worst, I'm actually increasing, that's why you're seeing that increasing of the rest, because now every place we go is targeted. So every time we go out, every time my ERO agents go out, we're making multiple arrests. I love it. Yeah. I love it. So, all right, let's go into H-1Bs.

There was this big story. Microsoft got banned from the Perm program. And then there's the OPTs. So these are legal categories, but they're rife with fraud. They're rife with abuse. Just speak to some of the work you're doing in this case. I want to talk about Microsoft. Vice President J.D. Vance, he is, you're talking about a tiger after a piece of steak.

That man is laser focused on fraud. And we're part of it, right? We're part of the task force he's put together. But he was the one that first saw this. Now, can you imagine going after Microsoft, big company, right? I would say most people don't have the guts to do that. He didn't even back down. He's like, this is obvious.

They laid off 6,000 Americans, and at the same time, they brought in more than that. 9,000. Yes, through the H-1B visas. And so his leadership, his leadership has given us cover to be able to do that because that can get political. He doesn't see it that way. And that's President Trump's leadership, right? That comes from the top down. And so the fraud is where we go to with Joe Edelow when I first started this conversation.

He is pulling every one of those levers to close every one of those loopholes. That's why you see those numbers continuously drop. What we're doing is just going straight to the intent of the law. What is the statue? I can't repeat this enough. I am not picking and choosing the laws. I'm enforcing our laws. across the board evenly. Such a novel concept.

Right. All right. So I'm going to give you a hard one. I'm sorry if I, you can defer to the D.O.J. I have three teenage girls at home. There's no such thing as hard from me. All right. So, Ilhan Omar. Yes. If you have to defer to the DOJ, I understand. But what, what can you, can you tell us anything? Now, DOJ couldn't tell you anything either. Listen, all, this, there's nothing political about this. I go back. to repeat myself, right? We're enforcing our laws. Cross the board. I don't care who it is. We're enforcing our laws. So all I can say is, one, yes, we served a warrant.

I can't say that it was on a specific person or not, but she wasn't or he wasn't the only place we served the warrant. There was multiple other warrants served on that same day. We had a judge sign it, and we expected to be able to take the case to a grand jury. But I will tell you, we wouldn't move forward in President Trump. didn't want to move forward either unless we knew that it couldn't be politically driven now they want to try making it political driven uh this individual wants to try making it about them about about about about themselves this is this was about enforcing once again our nation's laws and it's a

strong case hypothetical oh that that's that's good to hear hypothetical moving forward if a foreign war lowered uh from a failed state uh that is it part of a genocidal government that gets displaced and has a daughter and wants to move to America as a refugee, is that something that would be able to happen again? So let's just say, if someone comes in and claims, that fills out their paperwork illegally, and they claim that they are this person and this is their background. And then underneath that individual,

a lot of other people come in, and I'm just saying, hypothetically, across a whole bunch of cases that's out there, then that can be considered a RICO case, right? Because there was conspiracy that was to see, the American government and therefore everything else that came in with it could then for be looked at as the same case. And so in any case like that, and this isn't, I mean, we've had multiple cases like that. There's tons of them.

Yeah, where people come in and they lie and then we go, we can go all the way back through. Good thing about something like a case like that is when it is a RICO case, that the statute limitations on things, they don't, they don't apply in most cases. few things they do, but in most cases they don't. That's why with HSI, which are Homeland Security investigation, which is, man, those guys are studs, by the way. They're part of the best three-letter agency that most Americans don't know about. That's why they worked very closely with DOJ through the whole process

to make sure that what we are doing in this case is taking all the news. You're doing it by the board. You're doing it by the book. We were 100% doing it and checking all the boxes that they needed to build the strongest case possible because a law, we perceive, a law was broken

and our laws were broken and we're enforcing once again our nation's laws. And I'm pretty sure I'm out of time here. Yeah, I'm out of time. I'm getting the yank. No, you've been so generous. Thank you so much.

And we just want to drive home that point, which is, This is a state that has had a massive open border for ages. It has transformed the state over time. And you have literally had record-setting results in terms of undoing the damage that so many bad governments have done to this country. I say this all the time, and I mean it. I had the best cabinet position in the entire cabinet. President Trump has given me an opportunity to protect the nation.

and it's DOW, they get to go fight foreign wars. We fight the war every day. From the Coast Guard all the way in, we take care of this land. And I think, wow, what an opportunity. I mean it when I say, I am lucky. I am blessed to be able to be in this position and be surrounded by 270,000 true patriots, and we're in the boat, we got the oars,

we're pulling the same direction, and we have President Trump, who is cheering us on, who gives us the resources and the tools we need. And by the way, supports us by just simply saying it's not political. We're making America great by enforcing our nation's laws. That's what national security is all about. And I'm like, hey, man, let's go. Well, I just want to commend you.

As Blake said, you had probably the best Senate job at, you know, a state that I think didn't have one blue county in it, Oklahoma. And you gave that up. I think we only had like one one. Wood City. Yeah, not even a city. I think they had like one polling place that went blue. I don't know. So you had job security.

You had everything, most of what you imagine, D.C. political leaders want, and you gave that up for one of the toughest job. And I know you're enjoying it because you're a man of great energy. You wake up early. You work out. You stay up late. Every time, I mean, I'm sure thousands of people are reaching out to you. And you just, you have great energy. That's what this job needs.

And so anyways, God bless you. We have your back. You did it for your country, and you're showing incredible results. And I want the base. I want the grassroots to understand just how much is getting done because it's unprecedented. It's historic. You know, everybody wants $10 million out like in a month in a blink. It doesn't work that way.

But you guys are making it more and more and more efficient. So God bless you. Thank you. If you guys have time, you ought to go look your deportation flights that happen just outside of Phoenix every day. Oh, you were at the border here, too. I was. But this morning, I was looking at a deportation flights.

they were going out. Fifty percent of people on that plane had committed a serious crime. Seriously. And they were on that plane. And one guy gave me a salute, but it was with the middle finger as he's going on the plane. I took it as like, yay, okay. I hope I don't see you again, but if you do, you're going to get back on the plane. Well, that's awesome. I didn't realize they were coming out of Sky Harbor. Well, we have multiple locations across the country. But this is one of our hubs in Louisiana, Alexandria. I think, no. Is it Alexandria, Louisiana, Louisiana, Louisiana. that's one of our main hubs.

This is one of our main hubs too. Yeah. Several flights of day. How's the border looking down here, by the way? Looking great. The border where I was at yesterday, just in that sector where I was at, over 500,000 known godaways came across it during the Biden administration. Now it's got a big wall.

Yes. That's not including the tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands that we arrested. Now they're encountering almost no one because of the wall there. It's pretty remarkable. There was that whole, gosh, I'm so sorry, guys. I'm good. I know, but they got rid of that tree just recently. You know, the big tree.

Our team went down there, front lines. And all these like Antifa protesters were parking on the land right next to the easement. And then the tree comes down and they're like screaming. And I was, you know, it was like Mozart. I checked our Phoenix deportation flights. And one of the most recent stories is that Uganda and got federal charges after biting an ice agent while during the flight out of Phoenix. They actually told me about that one. I got on the plane with them when they were leaving.

And so I walked on the plane just to, kind of wave goodbye to them. Actually, I got on there to shake out of the guys. The bad people are furious. They're really angry. But one more spot to tell you where that spot is where we were at, if you remember during the Biden administration, when all the videos and stories are going out about them selling the wall sections for pennies on the dollar, that's where it was at. That's where it was at. That was the spot.

It's crazy to me. This is such a big win because Trump 1.0, they were freaking out. We can't afford a border wall. We can't afford it. I mean, that was their. You can't afford not to have one. The border wall is racist. The border wall is too expensive.

And now they don't even fight it. Because we've had so many wins on this front because we're in the right. These ideas make sense. It's common sense. It's an 80-20 issue when you really boil it down. And we see crime just dropping. Yeah. Just dropping.

Record low murder rate. It makes me so angry we can barely even campaign on that. They just say, oh, crime's not an issue. I know. We solve issues. And then they go, voters go, oh, it's not an issue anymore. Not going to vote based on that. I know.

Anyways, God bless you, sir. I know you got to go. Thank you for being so generous with your time. And I've been a big believer in your ability to get this done. And I just feel like I've been great leadership. From the president to the vice president and on down, great leadership. Yeah. And Stephen Miller, he'd shout out to him too.

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Caleb and Michelle, you guys there? We're here. Excellent. Excellent. How are you? Hey, doing great. Shoot, I wanted to ask Mr. Mark Wayne Mullen there, why does it take a Canadian citizen like me who's lived here 50 years and married to American citizens why it takes over two years to naturalize my application or you know for citizenship

but are you Canadian originally? Yeah I'm Canadian. Oh man. Well that's all right. Well we'll take the good one. We'll take the good ones. Yeah my parents came here when I was parents came here when I was baby. I've lived here as a legal resident my whole life but it's been two years since I applied for citizenship and I'm like well what's going on? Well, what I would say is, I've heard this from a few people, and I guess the good sign is, I think in the process of gumming out all of the bad stuff, I think they're not super angry about also slowing down the ones that are worthwhile.

Yeah, I mean, it's probably just a reflection of the fact that it's harder for anybody to game the system. And that means that, yeah, some of the people that deserve to be naturalized like yourself, you've been here since you're a baby. You're from Canada. You love this country. And it's probably just means it's, it probably doesn't mean that it's not going to work out. it's just going to take a little bit. Oh, yeah. I have all confidence that they won't deny my application.

It's just, like, frustrating. So our real question is, when is the Trump administration going to start arresting governors and mayors and officials like Walls, Jacob Frey and Keith Ellison in Minnesota, and those others who actively are obstructing ICE or at least, you know, refusing to cooperate? You know, my take on that is I definitely think there's people within the admin that have an appetite for that and then there's some that probably don't but it's also you got i understand listen i'm i'm team arrest them all you get these governors these mayors that want to obstruct and basically empower these vigilantes on the ground that want to screw everything up i'm team arrest them

make an example out of them and let them know they're not special they have no privilege they're legal citizens just like everybody else the law applies to them however i understand why they might not want to do that, right? Because after what happened in Minnesota, that was a huge, huge PR victory for the left. Okay? They felt like we went too hard, that we were too cowboy about it. I'm not of those opinions. But when I'm looking at the polling, when I'm looking at all this stuff, I understand why they want to keep a little bit more discreet with some of this stuff. And if they can keep it off the front page, ultimately, this is my belief, you're going to get more deportation. Yeah, I think, I think that's the idea is they saw, if they go maximally hard, it makes a lot of us really happy,

but it actually makes it harder to get the deportation number as high as possible. And yeah, it's like ice started to pole worse when they were doing the really heavy-handed stuff in Minneapolis. And since then, yeah, we're not seeing heavy-handed stuff, but we are getting those record arrest numbers, record deportation flights. Exactly. So I think that's my take on it. They don't want to, they don't want to poke the bear too much. Yeah. Give them ammunition. Yeah, exactly. And we're, you know, listen, we're going to, we're up against it in this midterm. Yeah. And, and I think right now it's going to be status quo for a little bit. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Next question.

Great to hear from me. John, unmute yourself. What's your question? We're plowing ahead as quick as we can. Honored to be the second guest from Oklahoma today. Hey, there you go. Mark Wayne. Yeah, yeah. Oh, he's awesome. I actually live about a mile from him. So he took so much incoming when he first took that job. because I don't from the right yeah no and the problem was he was he was not messaging the way that the base wanted him to he was his his mandate was to quell this like blue state rebellion get them to cooperate and so it was a little bit of the base didn't understand what he was doing but listen the results I just think of I just think of the bit from the gospel of Matthew where he tells the two sons to work in the vineyard and one says I'll go do it but then doesn't work in the vineyard and the other says yes or says I won't but does does and like it's it's sort of that it's like he doesn't have the same level of like off the charts energy some personas have and yet the record speaks for itself but he's energy the guy has more energy he's the real energy literally like get stuff done energy yeah wakes up early starts working boom and he loves it all right uh sorry what's your questions sorry we didn't

been to monologue over it hey i appreciate that so i'm just curious uh how is the Arizona project going and what are the internal polls showing for Biggs and Peeley. All right. I mean, obviously the public polls are not looking good, but I'm not sure we can trust them. No, no, you can't trust them. So Hobbs' own internal poll put it at four. She had a four point lead and that came out last week. And what they, and that, her support had collapsed.

So her own internal polls had her up as much as 10. That's down to four. So Andy Biggs is seizing the late momentum. him and even her own internal poll had undecided's breaking for Andy Biggs two to one. And if you check Tyler Bowyer, he's actually kind of live tweeting a lot of this. He's been tracking ballot drops and comparing them to 2022 and emphasizing the pace because Democrats have tended to come out like a cannonball early with the with the early boat. And then we close the gap.

And he's emphasized that the gap is closing faster than it has in the past. And so this morning, we had a drop. a big drop from Maricopa County, so biggest county. And it's 38% Republican, 39% Democrat, basically a tie. And it's Republicans are gaining ground and are on a path to exceed 2022 turnout. Remember, why is that important? Because in 2022, Hobbs won the governor's race by 17,000 votes over Kerry Lake. Now, there was the shenanigans.

We can get into all of that. But even if all things remain the same. And actually, some of our election laws have improved in Arizona. zone and we have a great county recorder in Justin Heap. So, but if everything was still the same as it was in 2022 and we're on pace to exceed that, that very well means that, you know, Andy Biggs is on on a on a great course here. Let's just say that. I want to pump you full in and opium.

But in 2022, all things were not equal. We did not have turning point action chasing across the state. Our field team, our arch, our ballot chasers are 25% larger. We have a 25% larger army. on the ground that we even did in 2024. And in 2022, we didn't have anybody. So that should give you a lot of hope. Commit 100. So commit to chase 100 ballots. We're going to give you 100 names. Go to tpaction.com slash 100. These are all conservatives. You can chase them yourself. And just one final, and we'll put you up in a hotel, all the things. One final word. We also have a field team in Nevada

and New Hampshire. All three states are looking great. Chasing works. Getting low props out works. um does that uh did i answer your question sir or oh we lost him all right next question up uh how about we do uh david is what he uh dan is saying so david uh what's i meet yourself and what's your question my question is uh first of all thanks for having mark way mullen on that was oh of course yeah worth the money he's great the money uh my question is is uh my question is do all democrats same brain because they all have the same talking points. They want men and women sports. They're baby killers and they want open borders. And to hear them talk, you know, I heard my, my, my, my, my senator talk and nothing is going on here in California. We're in California.

Nothing to see here. And they're very slick. What's your thoughts on that? Yeah, well, the question about do they all share the same mind, that's actually a very deep question because it's a pattern that gets noticed. And you'll see it the most when there's a big cascade in how the left talks about something. So for example, 2020 during peak woke where suddenly every Democrat, like there wasn't a press release. You couldn't see where it was coming from. And yet they're all talking about we need to have a national conversation about racism.

Here's my reading. I just ordered white fragility by Robin DeAngelo and How to Be Racist by Ibermex-Kendi. And they all very quickly collect around a certain point of view they didn't have before, whether it's defunding the police or making Juneteenth a holiday. And they're suddenly all talking about how Juneteenth was this holiday. They loved celebrating as kids. There is a real way they all update. And as for what drives that, I think it's a few things.

I think as a rule, Democrats, they are more bottom up in how they approach things. So if they suddenly see a big swell of what people are saying and believing, they kind of assimilate it because they're less hierarchical. They're more bottom up. Another thing is, they're more feminine. They're more, they're majority women. Women do prize consensus about things. They do prize not rocking the boat too much within their group. And as a result, if they just, and they also, as a result, also fear being ostracized and excluded.

All of those things work together to make them mesh together. And that can suddenly make them all adopt the same view all at the same time. And it's a very interesting force because it gives them a huge amount of political power that we have to sort of have leaders get out there and get the message to people that this is a priority. This is what we're doing. If we need to change our approach to a policy, it can be kind of, it's like, you know, turning an aircraft carrier. very difficult. But the left, they get this agility from the fact that, or actually banning plastic straws was another good one. Just a meme that took off on X and suddenly every Democrat in America wanted to ban plastic straws. This is why on the right, they often accuse the right of having

authoritarian figures. But that's kind of, you need a really strong leader to unite the right. You really do. You need a really strong personality, a really, like a Reagan, an Eisenhower, Trump because they're so their force of So strong Charlie that they could just bring all of these disparate factions like herding cats But if you're going to herd cats you need a really strong And as a group where the sort of people we can with good authority we can trust authority We can defer to authority we don't crave power as much what we crave is good leadership So it's the classic problem of the right is they you know they want a good government

And then they want to go grill or go do church or spend time with their family and that innately means not being as invested in what every single decision your leaders are making. Yeah, exactly. So I think there's a deep question. Yeah, it's a deep question. But ultimately, and Blake brought it up earlier, there's this issue of NGOs and massive funding and blue sky.

They have their own little comms networks. They're all little think tanks and their intellectual intelligentsia that is forging the new talking points. And those get to some at a day out really, really quick. And they fall in line. There's not a lot of rocking the boat. But there is a Democrat Civil War as well between DSA and Democrats, and that is very real. So never underestimate how much they keep under wraps and you don't see about because they have a compliant media that doesn't want to make hay about it.

What's the next question? Let's see. Is it Mick? Do we have to read that one? All right. So Mick, this is a reading one. He says, good morning, fellas, with the shooting yesterday at the Silver Rail Elementary and Bend. There's a few things that stand out.

Law enforcement had a perfect response time. They were there in under three minutes. A bystander immediately pursued and killed the shooter, and the shooter used a pump action shotgun. My question is, what, if anything, the federal government is considering to protect schools? At minimum, we need armed security outside of schools, whether it's funded or volunteer, I don't care. I would appreciate your thoughts as a former 22-year-bend resident. So first of all, condolences, if you have any connection to any of those deaths.

It's extremely sad and horrible. Charlie would talk about this. Charlie was definitely a supporter. He believed in just having armed guards at schools funded. I don't know if you'd want federal funding for that. It would probably be volunteer or local effort. I have mixed feelings about that. I guess my concern has always been ultimately you cannot protect everyone from a rogue lunatic who wants to conduct a shooting really without getting rid of the right to bear arms. That is a way you could do it. You can't protect everyone. You can't protect everyone from a rogue lunatic who wants to conduct a shooting really without getting rid of the right to bear arms. That is a way you could do it. You could get rid of our constitutional right, disarm the public, that would do it. But besides that, are you going to have an armed guard at every single playground? Are you going to have an armed guard on every single school bus? Are you going to have an armed guard at every single swimming lesson, soccer practice? In the end, if a really antisocial person wants to go on a suicidal spree, you can really only block it by becoming like the UK, where the UK actually is a panopticon, where nobody is free, everyone is disarmed,

the government is extremely anarcho-teranical and depressive. That is a way you can contain this. Maybe it's worth it because schools specifically have become, they're like a trope that if you're a disaffected person, you try to do a school shooting or a church shooting. So you figure those are the obvious target. You fortify those. I was going to say, I'm all fortifying schools.

I think teachers should be taught to carry. I think there should be, you know, multiple personnel at most of these schools that are ready to jump in that are just there for security. I don't love it, but if you're going to send your kids to a school, do you want to feel safe or do you want to love it? What I worry, what I worry is I worry a majority of Americans if they're given the choice of do you want to have armed guards everywhere you go in life or just get rid of the Second Amendment? I'm kind of worried people would pick get rid of the Second Amendment. I mean, I'm going to keep my kids safe. Good luck getting rid of the Second Amendment. We're going to wrap it up there.

It's been a wonderful, wonderful Friday. And thank you again to Secretary Mulam. We see your notes, by the way. A lot of you want him to do more. Obviously, we want him to do more. We love that. We love to say, get $100,000 a month. Yeah.

And listen, believe you me, the pressure that we put on these guys behind the scenes to get these deportation numbers up is huge. They're also getting it from the other side, that they're being too crazy. They're being too much like cowboys. It's a political liability. I disagree with that. I want more, more and more, but Mark Wayne is on board.

He's doing a great job, honestly, and moving the football forward. Trust me. All right, that wraps it up. We'll see you guys on Monday until then. Have a great weekend. Spend time with your family. Touch grass. Put the phone down.

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