The Charlie Kirk Show - No Squishing on the Border! + AMA 256

Episode Date: March 6, 2026

Kristi Noem is out at DHS, and Markwayne Mullin is in. The show dissects how the president's first Cabinet shuffle will be used by moderates to pressure the president to weaken his core promises, and how that absolutely must not happen. Mark Halperin breaks down the politics of the Iran conflict. Then, there's another round of subscriber questions, such as: -How does the team build faith amid the grief of losing Charlie? -Is it worth considering a compromise on immigration that includes some amnesty? -Why do members of the far left celebrate figures like the ayatollah?   Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com!  Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The Charlie Kirk Show is proudly sponsored by Preserve Gold, the leading gold and silver experts and the only precious metals company I recommend. to my family, friends, and viewers. All right. Yesterday, some of you were... They were spirited defenders of the president. You were a little worried about us, and I, you know, I'm just going to say we totally redeemed ourselves.

I'm just going to stand up for ourselves. We did. Blake's even suspicious of that allegation. Anyways, it's March 6, 2026 here in Phoenix, Arizona. So, the... Yesterday... show was quite the wild ride, especially in hour one. We talked about how young people were skeptical of the war effort, or whatever we're calling it, a strike against Iran, a decapitation effort.

And then we went into Krist you know. And we were pretty blunt. We were upset about some of the contracting decisions. We were upset about her questioning with Senator Kennedy, where she claimed that President Trump was aware of some of these contracting decisions and spending decisions, especially when it came to marketing that featured her prominently. And by hour two, Secretary Nome was out at DHS, and that was a huge, huge shockwave felt across the country. It's the first cabinet reshuffle of much more stable cabinet overall than his first administration. And I think Trump was loath to do it.

He placed her, he didn't fire her all the way from DHS, certainly, but he's put her in a new role, which is fine. I guess. So the next thing we need to talk about is who's going to be taking over for Kristy Knoem, and that is Senator Mark Wayne Mullen, who's been a frequent guest on this show. Now, here's, we want to lay out the stakes for you so that everybody understands properly the dynamics. Senator Mark Wayne Mullen is one of the most liked senators, especially on the Republican side of the aisle, within Washington. He is a congenial guy. He's a congenial guy. He's He's very affable.

A lot of people like him. Which it's good to be all of those things, but we're well aware that those phrases do set off alarm bells for a lot of people. You usually don't want to hear some described as one of the most popular people in Washington. Being popular in D.C. is not necessarily a compliment. But I will say, my glass is half full. I have a great respect for the senator. I think he's, you know, here's the thing. He's a former MMA guy.

He's a military guy. He's, you know, he's, I don't want to say he's mainstream, but he's kind of mainstream, right? And again, alarm bells, alarm bells, alarm bells. Because say what you will about Christy Noam, the same type of woman that is willing to shoot her dog is not going to be as, let's say, vulnerable to emotional appeals. she was going to be ruthless when it came to deportations. Here is the trade that you make when you are ruthless. You're not going to get cooperation from blue states. They're going to dig their heels in and they're going to fight you with everything they've got.

And that's what we saw with Christy Nome's approach. And you kind of see this play out in Minneapolis. So we have this huge uproar, Renee Good, Alex Pretty, and people digging their heels in protest. Nobody wants to cooperate. And then Homan comes in, kind of settles things down. A lot of it starts going under the radar. You don't see the headlines as much.

And things calm down. And the jails and the prisons and the counties and even Minneapolis start cooperating with ICE, giving over criminal illegals with detention requests. That's a good thing. It is a good thing if they cooperate. But we have to be, there's going to be a little bit of a skirmish. here because with any change of the person at the top, there's an opportunity. And there are definitely going to be people who approach the president, approach the president's

aides. And they say, you know, Christy Noem, she had a lot of these problems because she was so tough. And midterms are coming up. Some people think it's time to head towards the middle a little bit. And they'll try to sell the administration. Oh, this is a time to pivot towards the middle on immigration, maybe dial back the ice stuff, dial back deportations, dial back enforcement stuff.

And this is your chance to do it. There's a new guy. He's pretty popular with Democrats. We can play nice with him. There will be this siren call to soften up. And I think the administration's got to resist this. This is the president's signature promise and his signature success of his turn so far is the effort, not just that he's secured the border, but there's a bunch of other things he's done.

They've cut the number of H-1B visas that are. being granted. They've cut the number of foreign students. The overall foreign population of the U.S. is going down. They've basically stalled visas from a lot of countries. From dozens. I think 70 countries have a visa pause right now. These are all good things long term. It's stopping that it's breaking that utter dependence on foreigners endlessly coming into America that's hollowed us out in so many ways. And they're going to pressure Trump to reverse course on this. And this is their chance to do it. They're going to say, new guy at DHS, new policies, midterm year, ease up on things. And as we said yesterday, there's going to be pushback on anything worth doing at ICE.

You don't want the stuff we had with Secretary Nome where a $200 million ad buy should not be your source of controversy. The fact that you're not getting contract signed because they're just sitting on your desk, don't want any of that going on. But you do need to be prepared to fight out what really matters. and if Mark Wayne Mullen is able to get along with Democrats in a way that makes sure we still have enforcement going on, that's great. But they should not allow themselves to get tricked into selling out what they promised before the election. Well, and remember the context that we're in right now. And this is what I want all of you at home to kind of think about. We have Iran, right?

So I was on with Chris Cuomo last night. And Chris Cuomo made this line. I didn't get a chance to respond to it. And I texted about it after because I was like, you know, that was not cool. But he said that, you know, President Trump was this America first, that he ceded the America first mantle. I disagree with that. I know a lot of people that are skeptical about what's happening in Iran think that he has seated the America First mantle. I don't agree with that at all.

I actually think that, listen, I'm skeptical of what we're doing in Iran, but once we press go, we have our presidents back, we have our troops back. And I do think that there is an America first angle here. And I think you could message on it. I think that you could make that case. But DHS is central to the America First Promise, reason why President Trump was elected in the first place. And this is the moment to seize that mantle and to make sure that we drive it home. All right? So this is not a time to listen to the voices that would tell President Trump and this administration to go soft, to get weak in the knees, to seed ground to the radical left and the activist base.

No. But here's the middle ground. And this is why I think Mark Wayne Mullen could be potentially incredibly successful at DHS. DHS is really good, as our guest said yesterday, when there's no drama, there's commas. Meaning we want millions out. The way you get no drama is you have a guy like Mark Wayne Mullen who can reach across the aisle, calm people's fears, put on an affable, congenial face to it, stay out of the headlines and just get the work done. If we start getting prison transfers of criminals that have already been taken off the streets by, local police department and they get deported seamlessly easily with just a few agents not these

raids all the time that's going to be really key and then the next key employment enforcement employment enforcement i want you to keep that at the top of your mind that's how you get big time numbers so there's different strategies we can employ here that will get massive results without all the headlines without all the drama so send us your emails a lot of you in the audience seem to be skeptical that he's tough enough, that he's got the intestinal fortitude and the internal constitution to stand up against the attacks. So he doesn't, to use the parlance of our day, cuck out. So send us your emails, freedom at charliecirk.com. Freedom at charliecirk.com. I want to hear your thoughts. Are you worried that Mark Wayne Mullen doesn't have what it takes to stand up for

mass deportations to get them done? I'm just picturing in my head that phrase you just use and we'd have those discussions with Charlie where, you know, what is Riz? Yeah. What does that mean? What does that term you just use mean? It just means, is he going to fold? Is he going to get soft? Is he going to get squish?

Is he going to get squishy? Is he going to get squish? We don't want squish. And we hope not. And we're going to fight to make sure that doesn't happen. I will absolutely. I will say this. I will put an aerial salt on his text messages if he starts getting weak in the knees.

I will tell you that. And you guys hold me accountable as well. well freedom at charliecirk.com but i want to hear your thoughts what do you think is it is the fact that he's friends with a bunch of democrats is that a bad thing or is that a good thing i think time will tell but i'm sure you guys have opinions freedom at charliecirk dot com we want to hear from you and uh pull those up as we as we get them of course of course i want to draw attention really quick to um this story we were going to get to it yesterday but uh things got away on us but the house voted on basically whether or not they were going to release ethics

complaint about sexual misconduct against its own members. It's very funny how this goes because, of course, Congress has spent several months ripping itself apart over the files of Mr. Epstein and really blasting that all out there, which, as the president warned, a lot of people are going to have like baseless allegations about them published, not just actual embarrassing stuff,

but just stuff where people, you know, insane people, were making claims about this because it was such a big story. You'd have cranks, contact in the FBI, and that stuff's gone out. But there was a vote that I think Nancy Mace was demanding in the House where there is an ethics committee in the House, and it investigates claims of sexual misconduct by members, and this leads to reports. This leads to, in some cases, settlements that are funded by taxpayers. Payments are made.

And she proposed, okay, let's release all of those files. And the House voted rather overwhelmingly to not do this. 357 to 65 to not release. Yes. There were 38 Republicans and 27 Democrats voted in favor. So it wasn't even partisan in who the minority was. Some of the Republicans that voted to release, and we should say, it would be Andy Biggs, Bobert from Colorado, Burchett from Tennessee.

I believe, Gill, Brandon Gill. Brandon Gill. Yep. Let's see, Rokana. That wouldn't surprise, I think, many of you. It's a lot of people we like, and I will say, given all the stuff that it's very, it is the case. They voted, I think, 400 and some to one to release the Epstein files when they did. And it is a funny image to have a lot of them now voting against that.

Obviously, I've made a lot of people irritated with my take on the files. Oh, you guys are going to love Blake's take on this. Yeah, and it's just like, I would say I'm getting more. and more. I'm shaped a lot. I used to cover education, and I would, so I would cover all those sexual harassment tribunals they would have at colleges. And that really solidified in me. I think we have a legal system for a reason. If you sexually assault or rape or, you know, do a crime to somebody, it should go to a court of law, period. Like, that's why we have judges. That's why we have lawyers. That's why we have juries. Your whole take, though, is that this doesn't belong in

the House. Yeah, I don't, I'm going to say this. I don't think Congress should be investigating claims related to like affairs of its members. If you are a victim of harassing, if someone is extorting you or, you know, committing some sort of crime, you should report it to the police or you should sue them for it. And it should be in a court of law. But what we see in Congress is the same thing we see in universities, which when you have these para, you know, these quasi courts, they're a way to shake people down. They're a way to sort of harangue people.

They're a way to escalate personal drama into affairs of state. But it's different because Congress actually has a fund established to pay out these people. Which they also shouldn't. But this is why it caused some controversy. The drafted language allegedly would have revealed victims, disproven claims, etc. It was similar to the Epstein discharge. So why are they all right with doing one over the other? Does that make any sense?

Probably not. It's not exactly consistent. And I would say it would be satisfying Congress, just like with their stock trades, Congress is often a very greasy body. And I think there's a lot of ethical stuff to be desired. So in a sense, Congress would richly deserve having all of this stuff aired out. But I think if we did that, I would be, okay, release all the files and then also just move this into a normal court. You're just against it on principle. Yeah. Not that Congress deserves to be shielded from their own sense. Congress shouldn't be shielded, but I think the standard should be, things should either be in the open court of law, something that is you get sued over this, you get prosecuted over this, or it should be a private matter. We don't, it's weird to have these extrajudicial tribunals of this sort, and I don't like them in college campuses. I don't like them in companies. Companies do this now where, oh, someone has, you know, a relationship with an employee and then these HR apparatus is investigating this. just no this didn't exist when america was a great country 70 years ago you had the courts

and you had private life and well i get that you don't want to mingle the two as much as you can understand some of the folks in the audience who probably feel frustrated with that answer simply because of the hypocrisy of it all you've got i mean i will say rocana and thomas massey nancy may some of the loudest members on the epstein stuff were all all voted in favor releasing it but the house did vote what was it you said 400 and something to to one to release the Epstein documents and the transparency discharge. And guess what? A lot of those people, the principles only went so deep. And here's what I will say. There's a new big dump from the Justice Department, almost 50,000 documents. Total nothing, Burger. We explained it last week. It's literally all of the

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Thank you, Dr. Fauci today. It is that time again. We have Mark Halperin. He's the editor-in-chief of two-way TV as well as host of Next Up on the Megan Kelly Network. Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show, Mark. How are you doing? Gentlemen, I'm good. In honor of Intramaga conflict, I'm dressed like Steve Bannon today with the three layers.

Oh, is that where we're going? Is that way we're going? All right. All right. This is... I tried to grow my beard in, but I couldn't do it fast. Well, Blake's fro is growing in slowly. You've got to take some of our strong cell.

It causes hair to sprout all over it. These are fake. Mail it to me. Fake allegations. All right. Mark, so is this where you tell us that the Iranian war or conflict or whatever calling it is causing intramaga fighting or what? What is your political analysis of where we're at?

It is. It is. And you could take a Tucker description of his opposition and draft a bunch of it onto a Bernie Sanders description, and it would look a lot alike. This is not a partisan issue as much as it is an attitude about America's role in the world. So I'm for a robust debate. I think people shouldn't shy away from the reality that there are people within both parties who disagree about whether this is a good idea. And I think it should be less about personality and fighting and more about get on the National Town Square and explain your position. I think the president, I talked about this on Nextup last week. I don't think the why and the why now are ambiguous. And it frustrates me that people want to spend time debating the why and the why now. I think there are lots of debates to have

Congress's role, the end game regime change, how much it costs, the risks. But I don't think we need to debate why and why now. I think the president and Caroline Levin have made that pretty clear. Yeah, I actually was on with Chris Cuomo on his show last night, and I said, hey, originally, I was very much in the camp that this has not been properly sold to the American people. I am no longer in that camp. I understand the why in the why now. I actually think they've done a pretty good job of that. Now, we have questions, of course. How close were they really to enriching uranium to the point of making a nuclear bomb? We've been told that for decades. You know, but we had a nuclear scientist on the show yesterday who said, basically, it's the same.

same amount of time going from zero to five percent in Richmond as it is 60 to 90. I mean, it ramps up very quickly how fast you can get it there. And so, I mean, listen, there's a lot of reasons I think that this can make sense from a national security perspective, from a geopolitical perspective. The truth, though, is that Trump could be 100% right from a national security perspective and an American first perspective, but it could be politically costly. And we need to be honest about that, Mark, we had students from some of our chapters on and they said basically all the Trump voters on campus hate it too, right? And this is something that Charlie was intimately aware of. My perspective on it is once you press go, you got to be a patriot, you got to root for

our troops, pray for their safety, and you've got to pray that America's interests are advanced somehow, the world's interest, Iranians' interests are advanced somehow here. But politically, I think this gets diceier the longer it goes, right? So we're told four to five weeks. Now we're told 100 days, maybe through September. That seems to be the central question of how do you get out? As this thing drags on, I think that's where the political fallout is going to be felt most sharply, especially as we close into the midterms. So what messaging is working, what's not working, what's piercing, what's getting through, line up the two sides.

What do you think is working when the Democrats are attacking it? What do you think is working when the admin supports it? Well, first, I know you guys must do this all the time, but I really do wonder what would have happened if the president had called Charlie last week and said, hey, I'm thinking of doing this, what he would have said. And then what he would have said if the president hadn't agreed with his advice, but had done it anyway, assuming that might have been his advice. I really do wonder, because as we all know, he was singular in thinking about these things from all dimensions. And I don't think he would have been exactly where Tucker is or exactly where the vice president is, but I do wonder where he would have been on this. Look, I think the politics overlap with the substance, but the substance is most important, and the politics will flow from that. If this is successful, then I think it will help Republicans, although it may not save their majorities in Congress in the midterms. The Democrats really surprising to me, even given how much they dislike the president, how polarized things are, it surprises me how far out there they are in just emphasizing the negatives about this and not even sometimes even paying homage to the extraordinary performance. of the U.S. military and the boldness of this. We've had decades of all presidents saying Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon.

Is it intolerable that Iran is developing intercontinental ballistic missiles? It's intolerable that Iran is the leading sponsor of terrorism around the world. Other presidents felt the same way about President Trump, not just that it was a bad thing, but that it was an intolerable thing. And yet Donald Trump's the one who's done something about it. Now, there are extraordinary risks, and you've put your finger, on for most Republicans who are worried about the election is the critical factor. How long will this last?

And I believe that the president could stop now, right? There's nothing, there's no factor that keeps the president, except for maybe fighting with Netanyahu about it, from saying, hey, we degraded on the fronts we wanted to, missile, technology, naval capacity, nuclear development, and two. terror sponsorship. We've degraded all those we're done. We're going to come back home and warn the Iranians that if they continue in those fronts to try to rebuild, we'll do it again. Or he can keep going and further degrading all four and hope that there becomes an opportunity for the Iranian people to rise up. So I think people who are worried that this is a quagmire

or too much money or an endless war, I think are underestimating the flexibility the president has here if he wants to for substantive and or political purposes to just end it. Well, I've heard that take, but do you think that holds up now that Iran has taken this sort of lash-out approach where they are shooting missiles at Dubai? They're shooting missiles at Kuwait. We've had things popping up in Azerbaijan, Jordan, Cyprus, even, that actually the president is sort of stuck as long as that's going on because he has so many of these relationships with Middle Eastern countries.

can't abandon all of them at once? Well, I hear what you're saying, but if you believe the American military, and it's right, if you've got my profession, to be skeptical of what the government says during war, especially during war, when governments historically don't always tell the truth, they can keep going and continue to degrade those things. So could they stop if Iran still had capacity to send missiles or drones into other countries? Probably not. But if you look at the data of how many attacks they've engaged in,

in the last 24 hours versus the first 48 hours, it appears the Pentagon's telling the truth that they've diminished their capacity. So can they make it so Iran can never hit an American ally ever again? No, but they can degrade it pretty substantially, it appears. And again, that could be a natural stopping point, even if we know little about whoever is governing Iran now will be any better for the world and for the Iranian people than what was there before the conflict began.

Yeah, and Mark, you're very good at looking at things dispassionately. You sort of call balls and strikes. You know, we're hardened partisans over here, obviously. But, you know, the question that is sort of emerged in this conflict is how much of our immediate skepticism was rooted in muscle memory, scar tissue from Iraq, from Afghanistan. There is a countervailing sense that President Trump is really the first president. that's really unleashed our military to just be completely lethal and precise. We're not tying their feet here in their hands. So, I mean, when you talk about we could actually do this relatively quickly.

I mean, when you look at this, you're looking at the data, you're looking at how precise and lethal they're being. This really could be a new model, even in a country as big as Iran. Or do you think that that's coped? Do you think I'm full of opium here? No, I think it's fully use of force, but not boots on the ground. And no one's talking about building schools and hospitals in Tehran. So if you stay away from troops on the ground, boots on the ground, you stay away from nation building, and you stay away from being responsible for the new government,

although the president yesterday suggested he was responsible for it, or at least he'd like to be. If you stay away from responsibility in those three areas, this is a new paradigm. I find it amusing when people say there's never been regime change forced by air power. Well, there's two things I think wrong with that. One is regime change doesn't have to happen for this to be a success. And number two, we've never had air power like we have now, particularly with drones, but also the sophistication and lethality of America's air power from sea land and air. So I wouldn't be surprised if this is actually what the president's brand on these things stand for it,

executed, which is overwhelming force mitigating the problems that have occurred in previous forever wars that he's still against and his constituents are against. Yeah, and you got to remember, like, the reason we were even thinking in these terms, the reason Charlie became so clear-eyed in these terms is because President Trump sort of pioneered that, you know, Iraq was a dumb war, right? I mean, he said that from the debate stage. He was the first one to say it. The Republicans wouldn't say that for a decade. Yeah. And so the fact we're even here is because of Trump's leaders. I don't think he gets enough credit for that. Honestly, even some of my skepticism's, I've been

probably too slow to give him credit for even, you know, where we're at currently. All right, Mark, I don't want to say we called our shot yesterday, but we kind of called our shot. We spent a lot of our one getting absolutely lambasted by some of you in this audience for our criticisms of Christy Noem. We didn't like the luxury jets. We didn't like the marketing buys with her prominently featured. We didn't like her putting that on President Trump. I knew a line had been crossed. And then sure enough, by the end of our two, Mark, she was out. And that was a huge, you know, tectonic shift in the admin that was felt across the country. Politically, I think this is a huge win for President Trump. I think deportations, the promises on immigration, just too central to his election and his prospects going forward. I think we needed a change at the top. What say you? Well, I was surprised when she was picked originally because it wasn't clear to me

what her qualifications were for this job. And she caused a lot of problems for the administration. It's a really big agency, really big department, really hard to run. Yep. And both she and Corey Lewandowski, her advisor, have a lot of enemies in the administration. That's just objective. That's not gossip.

It's not anti-Maga or anti-Christinomeneum and Corey Lewand-Dazki. It's just an objective fact. They had made enemies for most of the year, including among some of the most important and impressive and powerful members of the Trump team. So their capacity to stay in the positions as long as they did is quite an achievement. And at the same time, that's so harsh. I love it. It's really hard. It's true. The surprising aspect for you is not that she was ousted. It was the fact she last. as long as she did. Yeah, yes. That's telling us. But, but, but again, I go back to the politics needs, in our talking about these things, I think, I say respectfully, and in, and in the real lives of real people, the politics needs to follow from the substance. She was involved in helping

control the border. That's one of the greatest achievements of this president. So she gets credit for that, but, but you can't go to Congress under oath and say the president signed off on something he didn't sign off on. That's, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a brainer in terms of a fireable offense. At the same time, she did about a dozen other things that a normal president and a normal cabinet member would have put her on at least the nice. So I think, I just think as an American, we need this department to be run really well and without this level of controversy. So I have sort of been hearing whispers, Mark. I'm curious if you've heard the same whispers, two things. I'll let you react to them in whichever order you want.

Democrats were already planning impeachment proceedings using and leveraging some of this. This, that when she said Trump was, you know, he had approved some of these contract, these no big contracts, things like that when he hadn't. Secondly, I am concerned moving forward about what, let's just say softness might come out of the DHS. I like Senator Mark Wayne Mullen, but I'm concerned that he's going to be offering up negotiating pieces that might be let's say unsavory for the base that wants to see you know everybody deported all illegals deported take those in whichever order you want but he's going to try and get blue states to cooperate just like we've seen in minneapolis and i'm just concerned about the negotiation process there between between a secretary

mullen and and democrats yep yeah first of all i feel you know it's usually i treat stuff that said during the break as private uh but i do feel duty bound to tell the the listeners and the viewers that during the break, Blake said that he could kick Mark Wayne Mullen's ass. What? It's a strong cell. It's a strong. I feel I feel I need to share that because there's kind of a bold claim. Well, we know where to find that cowboy, I'm pretty sure.

Yeah, exactly. There's that great clip of going around viral of Mark Wayne Mullen. When I saw yesterday about him was someone joked that his office gets mad if you call and ask for Mark Hawain Mullen. Mark Quine. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I actually said him a meme that was he laughed at it.

Anyways. Yeah. So everybody loves that guy. Look, I like the fact that he said yesterday he hopes to get Democratic support, you know, in the confirmation process. And he might. Senators tend to, you know, be more inclined to vote for other senators. And he's, you know, widely considered one of the nicest members of the Congress. So fresh start and a possibility to keep up the policies that are popular and consistent with the president's agenda.

pledged as a candidate and to maybe win over some Democratic support, which would be good for everybody. It'd be good politically for the Republicans, I think, but it'd be good for the country. The president and Tom Homan doesn't appear to be going, so we'll have to see what that relationship's like. But the president has a pretty robust agenda about deportation that I think would win broad support. That may be not amongst the squad, but a lot of Democrats would support it. He still has to deal, and this will be part of what a secretary Mullen has to address, what about cracking down on employers? What about deporting people who are in the country legally but haven't been convicted of other crimes?

That needs to be worked out still. What exactly is the next three years look like in terms of who gets deported? But a fresh start is a good thing because, you know, whether she would have been impeached or not, I don't know. I think the Democrats are going to have to think long and hard about how much they want to talk about impeachment now and how much they want to address it if they do win the majority. but but I don't pay much attention to it because if they impeached everybody who they talked about impeachment, it's all they would do. And I don't think they would want to use their newfound majority to just run a bunch of impeachment probes. So to dig one level deeper, let's just say DACA.

Let's say amnesty of some sort. Let's say more work visa. Whatever the offering is on. What I'm trying to get at here, Mark, is I am an all. they all need to go guy right you hear this yeah this kind of bifurcation within the messaging that the worst first we want to get the criminals and then there's the base which a lot of us a lot of them are like me they all need to go and what i what i'm trying to calibrate with you dispassionately so take you're you're you're not in maga you're you're kind of sitting outside of it what would you brace us for accepting if we're going to get blue city sanctuary cities to cooperate and

hand over their criminals at jails. What do we need? What is actually the most popular center cut of this? Yeah. Well, you're on the wrong side of public opinion on that question, as I know you know. And there's a practical reality. I used to ask people before MAGA back in like 20, you know, 2012, 2016, before the president won the nomination. What do you want to do with the 15 million or so who are here illegally? And most politicians, in the Republican Party wouldn't answer the question because they know not just what a heavy lift it is and how expensive it would be on the front end,

but a lot of those people are integral to the economy, particularly in two sectors. The president has a lot of friends who are owners of hospitality and agriculture. So if you guys want to take the president on deporting people who work in agriculture and hospitality, go at it. But I don't think he has any intention of doing that because every time it comes up, some of his friends in hospitality and ag call him and say,

you'd put us out of business. So they might have broken the law. They might be a drain on America tax dollars in one way or another. Some of them might commit crimes, but they're an integral part of the economy. And I'm not saying they shouldn't be removed from the country. I'm just saying there are a lot of people in the Republican Party who don't want them removed. Well, I don't like that answer, but that's why I asked it because I want to know what you think. Mark Halperin, thank you for making the time for us today.

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com. That's members. dot charleykirk.com. There it is right at the bottom part of your screen right there. Join the show. Ask us questions live on Friday hour two. But we did ask you for questions in hour one about what do you think about Mark Calpurn or not Mark Wayne Mullen.

Mark Wayne Mullen. And we got a lot. We got a lot very quickly. a lot is a lot of people are angry about what he said and did about January 6th yep Lonnie said the fact he called Ashley Babbitt's murderer a hero is a problem for me another one said that she's I believe he like embraced the he hugged him yeah hugged him

Michael Bird I think is what he said uh let's see but um Mullen over the years Charlie would make mention about his concerns with certain people but he says he's worried that Mark Wayne might say whatever he needs to ingratiate himself because we know Charlie had Mark Wayne on a lot. He said positive things about him. So I think there's a lot of kind of maybe Missouri attitude. Show me with Mullen that you can get the job done. That's fair enough.

Exo XOXO Wildfire. On the other hand, Patty says, we're ready for a change and he's great regarding deportation. We live in Oklahoma. He has done well for our state. That's Stan and Patty. XOXO Wildfire says Hallelujah spot on Mark Halperin Bingo please you two

Stop patting yourselves on the back for her ouster Fair enough We probably had very little to do with it Although it was time to It was time to address it Another says I'm not a fan In the past years he verbally attacked Matt Gates Long before Matt was proposed as AG

But I hope he proves me wrong And I trust President Trump implicitly That's from Mary So like I said lot of prove it sort of attitude which that's why we said they got it the administration's got to make sure that they don't go for they don't fall for the siren call to soften up on on immigration just because noam is out you want you still want the tough attitude you just want less of the less of the distractions yeah fair enough all right so we are and are ask us anything hour and we

have first up looks like ellie ellie you are on the charlie kirk show welcome please i'm mute yourself. Hey, hey, can you guys hear me okay? Yes, yes. Hey, thanks for letting me call in. It's my first time. Oh, hopefully not the last. Yeah. So unfortunately, I've lost a few close family members in this last year, and then, of course, with losing Charlie as well. I know they believed in Jesus and they're in heaven now, but with all of the grief, my question to you guys is, I know all of you have different opinions on faith, but what are some ways that you have all strong? strengthen your faith through dealing with the grief. I mean, our situation is so unique in the sense that we found ourselves at the middle of this really global news story. And I said it a bunch of times, and I'll say it again because it bears repeating, I was sustained by the prayers of strangers.

Obviously, I had a ton of people praying for me and for us and for the organization for Erica that we knew, but we just had so many people. people, I've got a mountain of mail in the office here, actually, that Riley's just looking through. And it's like the third wave that has come to me because they hold it in the, in some of our shipment area until they can check it out. And then it comes to me and it's just this mountain of people saying, we're praying for you and we love you and we have your back. And I will tell you, I could feel it. I genuinely could feel the prayers of strangers. And all of a sudden, it was kind of, it was almost like a road to Damascus moment for me even when I, when I,

after Charlie was assassinated, and I realized, you know, so many days we were just hunkered down working so hard, just trying to save the country, trying to get President Trump elected, whatever, build the show. And all of a sudden, Charlie was gone, and I realized, looking back, you know, and I said this at the memorial, that I realized Charlie, we called him campus tour stops and proved me wrongs, but they were really tent revivals, you know. and I saw that Charlie wasn't just a political activist. He was a prophet to the people. And those kind of realizations felt like revelations from the Lord. And that strengthened my faith, because I just felt like it wasn't a concept. It wasn't abstract.

It was so deeply personal. And you can just feel the Holy Spirit in that moment. I could feel the Holy Spirit in and around us. in and in around what was happening and in around the vigils and everything we saw at the memorial it was such a tangible manifestation of the presence of god for me personally but for the country and when you have those moments it's important to remember them because you know they're clarifying moments they're moments of vision and if you look into scriptures the the stories of the great people in the bible they had these moments of beautiful vision and then the vision would get

clouded. And so, and that's just, that's just what happens in life. God gives you a revelation, and then the revelation is challenged, and the vision gets cloudy. And so I hold that with that memorial in my heart deeply and closely. And I hold those, those moments of just the tangible presence of God in and around us closely, and I remember it, because I truly believe what God is unleashed man cannot stop. And I believe God is active in our midst. I believe God is doing a great work. I believe that revival continues on. And so I just, I hold close to the promises of God. I hold close to what God has revealed to us.

And I hold close to the legacy that Charlie left us. I think about it all the time. I don't know about you, Danny, but I find myself reflecting on those moments. Danny spent a lot of time with Charlie and private. Yeah, I think what I've been doing a lot is just like praying, reading the Bible, as Charlie would say, is very important and just staying grounded in your beliefs

and really just taking time and just reading scripture instead of just listening to everything online and everything like that. And I think that's really helped just sticking true to my beliefs and God's word. Yeah, this is one of Charlie's better takes that he repeated on here a lot is that faith is a practice. And so I like that you say, how do you cultivate it daily? Well, are you doing a faith-related thing daily? Because that is how you will cultivate it daily.

I think some, this is going to be a weird comparison. But I remember when I started lifting weights, a friend of mine pointed out a lot of people, go online and they would obsess over like what's the right regimen of weights to do and like what should I lift what should my schedule be and they'd obsess over that and they would never start until they felt they were on like the perfect thing and he would point out to me the best exercise is the one you do blake and do something and if you want need to change it you can just change it as you go and I think a similar thing can happen with faith stuff sometimes where people wonder about doing it the right way when the correct take is like are you praying daily

are you reading scripture daily? Are you going to church on Sunday? Are you doing those basic things? And the extra stuff will naturally come out of that level of involvement. I had a pastor that told me, Ellie, that you can't turn a parked car. So the first thing you do when you're cultivating your faith is you just go. And you can adjust the direction as you go. I think to myself all the time, doing the show, working with Turning Point is a massive blessing

because every day is an act of faith. Every day I have to test my faith. I have to have courage. I have to step forward into something that feels uncomfortable. And so the question for you at home is what are you doing that makes you uncomfortable? What is it that you're doing in a daily basis that makes you step out of your comfort zone and step into faith? Faith is spelled R-I-S-K. What are you doing to take a risk for the Lord?

And I'm blessed and we're blessed around here because every day is a faith walk and a faith journey. Ellie, did we get to your question? Danny had a good follow-up as well, but I want to make sure we answered your question. Yeah, no, that was amazing. I've been watching this show every day since Charlie died, so hearing your opinion on it is, means a lot to me. Oh, that's so great to hear. Yeah, I will tell you, this whole thing has been a walk of faith. I mean, I'll be honest with you. And, you know, we're in the break here, so Rav isn't necessarily catching it. But my first instinct was that the show was never going to go on and that we were going to just have to let everybody go and nobody was going to have a job.

And Erica looked at me and she said, they tried to silence my husband's voice and we can't let them do that. You have to keep the show going. I'll tell you right now, that was a huge step of faith. For me and Blake, I'm sure, Danny, everybody on the team, everybody in the studio. And we walk it out every day. And it comes with criticisms.

It comes with people coming out. after us or people saying we're not doing it right. But there's been so many good things from it, too. And God has been so faithful in the midst of that from our partners at Real America's voice to our sponsors, to our crew and our staff. And huge, huge step of faith. And you had one more, Danny. It was really important. Well, yeah, just Charlie's book and taking the Shabbat, too, is also very helpful and just, you know, getting off your phone and just staying grounded. Just remove the distractions. Make sure you rest in the Lord. Where do you live, Ellie? I live around the Chicago land area

Oh Where at? I'm from Chicago Maybe she doesn't want to be specific Around the Aurora area Okay fair You don't have to be specific You don't have to be specific

Yeah, but anyway Now if you can give us your street address Yes And what is your social security number I'm kidding That's great Chicago is a beautiful city It's a shame what they did

It's very secular though Yeah there's some good churches there They're all pretty gay They're not great All right well Danny's Danny's Gen Z is poking through. All right. So actually have a friend at Hillsdale who is just texting with who I mentioned.

He's listening in. He said, I used to live in Aurora. If Ellie needs church recommendations, I'm happy to help. So Ellie, if you need church recommendations, email us freedom at charliecirk.com and I'll connect you with my buddy over at Hillsdale. Our next caller is Christine. Christine, welcome to the show. Please unmute yourself.

Hey, guys. How are you doing today? Really well. It's Friday. How are you? Yeah, right? I have a whole thing. So many conservatives I know have been the strict enforcement on immigration,

but I feel like we should have some way to bring people in. For example, maybe we could, if someone's paid their taxes consistently and had no crimes for the past five years, they could apply for citizenship and be forgiven for the illegal entry. Or like my father, who came over after World War II, He had a sponsor who was financially responsible for him until he met criteria like language proficiency, employment, and good conduct. So do you think it has to be zero tolerance or shouldn't we find a way through to these people who are good of heart who just need to be here for other reasons, you know, than crime? bluntly so first of all in practice we may end up with some sort of compromise like that but my personal opinion is we should fight pretty hard for zero tolerance because we've gone through this routine multiple times and i'll be frank i think a lot of good intentions like yours that you express have been taken advantage of so as an example as you say how you know be responsible until they show language proficiency we Well, you're already supposed to have language proficiency in America, for example, to become a citizen, to get things like those truck driving licenses.

And as we see, we just hand them out anyway. It's not really enforced. A friend of mine who did become a naturalized citizen, he was at the, you know, he went there and he was observing the checks they were doing. And he says the test for English proficiency was on the level of pointing at somebody's left hand and saying, raise your left hand. Well, okay, you're pointing at their hand. And, okay, they hold up their hand because you're pointing out. They're like, oh, they're fluent. They're going to be a ready contributor to the American life.

And, you know, same thing. Commit no crimes. Well, okay. Well, we have states already where because if you commit a crime result, like a felony is supposed to result in deportation, they deliberately lower the charges they bring against illegal immigrants to keep them in jail for less time. Or they take a felony and make it a misdemeanor. to make sure that a person is not deported.

There's endless ways that this gets manipulated and used against us. And often they'll say, oh, this amnesty, it'll affect 500,000 people. And it'll end up being far more than that. Just in Spain. Spain has said it'd be a few hundred thousand and it's going to be over a million. When we did this with Reagan in the 80s, it was supposed to be farm workers. It was going to be, I think, a few hundred thousand again. Critically, we were going to get enforcement as part of the deal.

We got amnesty, no enforcement. And it ended up being millions of people instead of hundreds of thousands. They're still having people trickle in where anyone who says, oh, I did farm work in the 80s. Basically, they're eligible for an amnesty. So how do you prove this? There's just so many ways the system gets manipulated. We've been taken advantage of. And Charlie's response to that, my response to that, a lot of people's response to that is we're tired of getting messed with.

We're tired of being lied to. People who broke into this country illegally. have to have accountability for what they did. They broke the law. They broke into America. And I think if, think about your own home. If someone was just living in your home for a prolonged period illegally, would you want to just give them amnesty?

We should treat our nation like a home. Blake's point is, listen, I love your heart. And there is such a, like, a place for that in this whole conversation. I think Mark Wayne is going to inject that, at least on the face. But here's what I would say. to Blake's point, it's been abused, manipulated. You start making exceptions for some. They're going to make exceptions for all.

And we've seen it happen time and time again. And I think we're just, we don't have an appetite for it. All of them got to go. But listen, I think in practice, we're probably going to end up somewhere in the middle. But if we start with already, you know, making exceptions, we're not going to get much at all. So you got to, you just got to kind of stay firm. And I hope that's okay for an answer. for you, Christine, because I hear your heart in it.

Yeah, it's okay for an answer. It is a heart question for that, especially since my father was an immigrant. Of course, he came in on his regular paperwork. I mean, he didn't sneak into the country, but I just feel bad for those. I'm sorry. It was a different country back then. We actually mandated people assimilate. We had pride of our own culture, pride of our own convictions and values.

We made people fit in here. And we've had such a, I liken it to a meal. We've had such a giant meal, Christine. We need time to digest. And we're not capable of doing that if you just keep pouring more and more fuel on that fire. I think that's a good metaphor. I just, even the zero tolerance, I don't think we're going to get there. I think once politics shift and all, it's, so I mean, it's the same mess, though.

So I think we need to have answers. I'll give you an example. You were talking to Matt yesterday. and you were talking about checking off race or ethnicity on crime things when they got arrested. Oh, yeah, Matt Van Swal. Uh-huh. Right. So I looked that up and our paperwork mandated by the government only has white, Hispanic, Asian.

It doesn't have the rest. I mean, that's literally they only changed it recently to add Middle Eastern and North African. And it's phasing in, but it'll take years. and years and years for that to happen, right? So that's just one little tiny administrative thing that we can't get the needle to move on. I don't know how we're going to get the needle to move on something as big and enlarge as immigration. Well, we've been moving the needle pretty well with this administration. We've been getting a lot of people out. And I think pushing hard that if you're here illegally, you'll go back is really the first step to any sort of amnesty has to be get the situation

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more sensitive maybe or whatever. I'm not saying we don't need a branding change. But underlying that branding change can't be, we can't be getting squish, all right? That's the whole point. So I think Mark Wayne's going to be a very good mix of the congenial, but he's tough as nails, too. That's my theory. All right. Next up is John.

John, you, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. Your next step. Please unmute yourself. Welcome. Good afternoon. How are you? Doing great. It's Friday.

How are you, sir? Doing great. My wife and I are sitting here in Tulsa, and I'll tell you, we live half a mile from Senator Mullen. So I've got a question and maybe a couple comments if we have time. So I'm curious if you have any thoughts on who Governor Stitt might appoint Senator Mollins. Well, some people are saying Governor Stitt might appoint Governor Stitt, but I hope that that doesn't happen actually because I think it's a little,

it's not a good look. You know, they have a, they need to appoint somebody because, and they don't need to do a special runoff election because it's technically already an election year for the 2027 term. So that's seamless. There's a lot of candidates. It's whose names are getting floated out there. You've got Nick Hankins, Ron Meinhart, Tammy Sweringen, Wayne Washington, Kevin Hearn.

Yeah, and it's important to note that there's an Oklahoma statute that whoever he appoints cannot actually run. Really? Yeah, they have, if a U.S. Senate seat becomes vacant, the governor appoints someone to temporarily fill it. The appointed person is not eligible to run in the special election. Wow, that's interesting. Well, but that's in the special election. But what have been out in a normal election? that I'm not sure, but they said this is why.

My guess is they would have to be able to run in the special. This gets a little complicated, but states can't really control who runs for their office past, for federal office past a certain point. That's why term limits are not allowed on federal offices because the Supreme Court says eligibility is governed by the Constitution and there's just the age and citizenship requirements. So they might only be able to control special election. but not the general. Yeah, the Hill says that Bice and Hearn considering Senate runs to replace Mullen. So these are House Republicans from Oklahoma. You probably know this better, but I've met Stephanie Bice before.

And then Kevin Hearn. So that they're considering it. So they both posted on social media that they're considering it. Let's see here. I asked Tyler if he had any thoughts. And he hasn't replied yet. I think he might still be fighting in the spice war. as we discussed yesterday on thought crime.

So he's probably distracted. Yeah, you're right, though. That person will not be able to run in the election. But the key thing is, no more Lankford's. So to make sure it's not a Lankford. My vote is for ideologically as far apart from Lankford as we can get. So whoever he appoints will only be there for, what, six months or so. Yeah, pretty short.

Yeah, who do you want? And so we have a lieutenant governor here, Matt Pinell, and he is a very conservative Christian, has four kids, went to a Christian school here in Tulsa, and then actually graduated from my alma mater, which is Oral Roberts University. So very conservative Christian has done a great job as lieutenant governor of Oklahoma, and I think he would be a great option. But we do have that unusual law where whomever governors did appoints cannot run for the next election. And so I think potentially what Stitt's going to do is appoint someone more as a placeholder,

maybe the second best choice, and then have someone like Lieutenant Governor Penel run. But, you know, Bice, her, and I've heard all of the same ones. But I think the key thing is we do not want another Langford. We do not want another rhino. And we need someone else in the mold of Mark Wing-Mullen. By the way, someone said we need to move the needle on mass. deportations, Mowans will move the needle. Yeah, why do you say that? I'm curious, somebody from Oklahoma.

Yeah, he is a fighter, and he will be very diplomatic. He will try to make friends, but when it comes down to it, he will do what needs to be done, and he will back up what he thinks needs to be done with words and deeds and actions. Well, that's coming from an Oklahoma voter there that lives just down the street from Senator Mark Wayne Mullen, so... Let's hope for the best. Let's hope that that is absolutely the case. And I tend to agree with you.

I think he's got a, I think he knows not to cross the base in this way. But yeah, I think he's going to try and work across the aisle and be diplomatic. But when it comes down to it, I think he's going to be stiff his nails. All righty. Ian, I think our next guy is Ian. Unmute yourself. And what's your question? Hi, guys.

Can you hear me? Yes, we can. Awesome. Lord bless you all. I've been praying for you guys every day. Thank you. Absolutely. But yeah, I just wanted to, I had two questions, but my main one is, how can these people be, you know, like, saying they stand with the Ayatollah when they, with their rainbow flags behind them when they're talking, like those people like the Ayatollah and the Islamic regime would literally kill them if they even set foot in the country.

So I just, I find it mind. I thought it was AI at first, but it's people are actually, you know, buying Iranian flags and trying to say they stood with the Ayatollah and that Trump was a bad person. person for it? Is it just Trump derangements in them? Or did they just hate Trump more than they hate, you know, like murder? I'm not sure. It is a little deeper than that. There's this deep thing to it.

I talk about it with some friends we call it kind of Calibanism, which is an obscure reference to make, but there's a character in Shakespeare's the Tempest. Caliban, he's like a savage and he's trying to rebel against his master and he's this cartoon

figure. And he's become this symbol for third world academics, the kind of people who push literal critical race theory, post-colonial theory. And what I really think it is is there's a type of person who pathologically, they genuinely, they hate the West, they hate its success, they hate its traditions, they hate everything about it. And as a result, they'll just end up bonding to everything that is against it, no matter how incoherent that is. And so sometimes that means embracing all of the most radical

LGBT stuff because they're of course against Christianity, that's part of the West. They're against traditional Western morality as was understood for a long time. And so they want to tear all of that down from the left. But then, oh, well, we also have this Islamic Republic that hates the West and it wants to flow up Israel and it wants to flood Europe and Islamify it. And so we're going to side with that.

too because it's also against the West. It is a true pan ideological coalition of resentment, of hate, of, it's not quite nihilistic. Some of these have quite strong beliefs, but it's that what really does lie at the heart of so much of what drives them is resentment of what is beautiful. It's like this love of ugliness. Well, I agree with Blake that there is sort of an intersectionality to it all, right, where they, the oppressed peoples of the world, link arms, even. though their underlying ideologies, you know, conflict with one another. I'm trying to pull this

clip. I meant to do it earlier, but I found it when Blake was talking, so maybe the team can bring it up. But there is, you know, the Islamic regime paid a 47-year-old Pakistani national to assassinate President Trump. And apparently this, I think they arrested him like the day before Butler. It was really, really close. The FBI has him under a surveillance video. So he was actually working with somebody turned out to be an FBI informant. They arrested him, and now he's singing like a sparrow here. And this was all in retaliation for President Trump taking out Soleimani. But what was interesting about it is his instructions were very simple, take him out at a political rally and then start a protest. Hear me again, and I logged this as soon as it happened because it made me think of October 7th.

It made me think about what happened to Charlie and instantly there was a contingent online that started getting loud and sort of protesting, celebrating. You see this with Iran. You see this with the next thing. And what they learned after October 7th is that you could be the aggressor. You could be the people that launch a terrorist attack and kill 1,200 people and then launch a protest and that the two go hand in hand. Do you see how sinister that is? That you could be in the wrong. You could be evil. You could commit evil. and then still launch a protest in support of that evil. And there will be a contingent that thinks that's good.

They'll get behind it. And you saw that again, I think the most stark example of that is October 7th. It's a new model. And they basically can be the villains and yet gain sympathy through that model. And so I think it's really sinister. It's something we need to be aware of. But we also need to be aware that there's paid protesters. And we know that the next new thing, right?

the same people that are protesting. BLM are going to be protesting for the Palestinians are going to be protesting for Iran. Meanwhile, you've got Iranian diaspora all over the world saying, thank you, President Trump. We support you, President Trump. We love this President Trump. So, you know, it's just these are sinister forces that want to destabilize Western democracies. They want to destabilize America. It's sick. I don't know if I rambled on there, but Danny. How do we work with those people to make Trump look bad? They're going to make sure. Go ahead. How do we even work with these people in our own country? How do we move forward? It's just like this brick wall that seems to be building.

You know, that it's like I want to have them. It's a real job. Deport. Don't give any more visas. Lots of different things like that. Hi, folks. Andrew Colvett here. I'd like to tell you about my friends over at Y. Refi.

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Hey, David. Good to hear from you. Yeah. You go to you. My question is, we're in California, we're in California. And you know, you hear a lot about this legislature, the legislature. So I want to know, I try to call these people, because especially those that are not in my district, because I want them to hear from me. Am I wasting my time calling them because it doesn't see, it seemed like they're going rogue,

that they do what they want to. But they always hide behind the label of the legislature. Well, are you calling conservatives? You call Republicans? Are you calling Democrats? I call mostly Democrats, because most of them are Democrats that are all in lockstep. Yeah, I mean, I hate to say it. I don't think you're wasting your time.

It's good that they know that they have people in and around their district that disagree with them. But they're still going to do one thing. They're going to look and they're going to say, I live in a D plus 20 district. Go pound sand. Because they know that they're just going to get reelected. And that's a sad truth of California being a very radical state in many ways with many radical far-left districts. And they're just going to do the simple math and disregard you.

I hate to be that blunt. But that's oftentimes as deep as they're thinking goes. It's never bad to make your voice heard. But in general, with contacting your representatives, it is sort of a proximity thing. which is you'll have the most impact if they are your representative, and then if you're in their state, they'll maybe kind of hear it because, you know, they have aspirations to run for Senate or something.

And then if you're from across the country, it's just going to matter less. But sometimes you just call in and you'll still shape the sentiment maybe on a controversial issue and their staff are going to tell their members, oh, yeah, we've been getting tons of calls on this issue and they think X, Y, Z. But there's other ways to get involved. If you're concerned about political stuff, there's show up at town halls, show up at your local city council events, show up where you can make your voice heard in other ways. And I love that.

We're not the early republic anymore. It is sadly harder always to really have a direct impact on politics. But honestly, this is a great idea that Blake has. Show up at city council meetings. you can apply to get to address the city council make your voice heard that way those get clipped a lot those end up going viral you make some really good points and that's a great way to generate popular support locally you can also go to the town halls ask questions push back those those clips so use the power of the internet use the power of video also turning point action you know if you

want to get involved one of the best ways to get involved is at your local precinct level and also there's ways to contact your representatives online. You can get out mass mail, mass email campaigns. You can get mass call campaigns. So there's different ways to do this. But then, you know, become a ballot chaser, volunteer, work with your local GOP to help drive out low propensity Republican votes. Those are, those are all really important ways to get involved, I would say. That might be just genuinely a better return on investment. Who got next? I think we have at least one more here. Sorry, I don't have the right window open.

Mick? Yeah, let's have a minute. Hey, Mick. I want to say, God bless that caller earlier in the show who has a heart. I don't happen. I'm Gen Z. I'm faded. I've seen my town turn and I want things to change.

And so I'm glad that we have Noam on our way out and Senator Mullen on his way in. And I have some high expectations. I want to see numbers go up. In an ideal world, I'd like to see a million interior removals a year. Do you think that's possible and what other expectations should we set? Excuse me, should we set for Senator Mullen as he goes into the cabinet? Oh, well, so I'd love to see a million a year. Yeah, so.

Or more. Charlie's thing was Project 10 million, right? So just so you know that right now DHS is operating with a 3,000 arrest quota a day. 3,000. So that would take you to 1 million basically 1,100,000, if you would. So that's a benchmark that they're

shooting for. Now there's an argument to be made that you should get rid of the quota because you actually might get more. The argument is that the quota system basically mandates that these guys are having to go out into the community and raid local businesses, raid whatever. And people, that tends to

be where a lot of the drama is happening. And there's another theory of the case that you could do it more discreetly. And again, this expression, maybe it's just an expression, but commas, meaning millions, not drama, comma, not drama. So, you know, the theory is that you could go in, work with local municipalities, if you sort of take that quota system off the table and end up with a bigger number at the end of the year. I think it's all TBD, right? What I can tell you is that here's why I feel bullish on this whole thing.

Stephen Miller is still operating at the White House. He's still lurking in the shadows, haunting all the Democrats' dreams. And I'm telling you, it's wonderful because he's going to be working directly with Senator Mark Wayne Mullen. He is the architect of this interior enforcement in many ways. And he has, through the one big beautiful bill, this funding has created a whole system. You got to understand. When Obama was getting all these numbers, it was just handoff at the local jail. We have never equipped ICE agents to go out in the field like we have equipped them now to do this interior enforcement. We've never had this large of a wave of illegals come in before.

And so, yes, there's going to be a change in leadership. And there's going to be probably a change in tone, a change in collegiality and all of these things, which could be really helpful. We saw this with Tom Homan in Minneapolis. is. But ultimately, you have to maintain a posture that everybody who's here illegally is on the table to be deported and that we are going to be working with Stephen Miller, the architect of the interior enforcement, to get over a million a year. Plus, you're going to get self-deportations. That's another thing. You know, one of the things that I found extraordinarily frustrating was that they were advertising on Fox News. You got to do Spanish ads where Spanish speakers are. I mean, that's what she got in trouble for. She was advertising herself. and in truth, I think she was trying to make herself look good to the president because she knows the president watches Fox News. And I mean, I heard it on the radio here and I was on some country station probably listened to by Republican voters. Same idea.

It's almost, it's marketing to the base. And so it's politically oriented rather than deportations oriented. Yeah. And if Mark Wayne Mullen comes in and says, I'm not going to be making myself famous. except as the bane of the left's existence, I'll be very happy with that outcome. As you say, commas, not drama. And I would just, I'm just going to put this out there

because I want people to be bracing for this. They could do something like DACA on the table in exchange for Blue Cities to play ball. And we have to brace ourselves for that. I don't want it. That's going to be the new battle line. And if you get Blue Cities, though, Los Angeles, New York,

all of these cities to sort of come to heal, then, you know, you could get more. And it's going to be the next debate. I'm telling you, I'm warning you. So put that on your crystal ball, if you will. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.