The Charlie Kirk Show - Okay, What'd We Miss?

Episode Date: July 8, 2026

While the show fixates on the Tyler Robinson hearing, the world hasn't stopped moving. With court in recess this morning, the show catches up on the drama with Graham Platner, Mitch McConnell, and Iran, then also dissects the psychological motivations of people who are determined to reject or undermine all evidence presented this week. Sean Davis, Scott Jennings, Cam Higby, and Alex Marlow all join. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com!    Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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to say the least. Even though it feels like that a little bit for me personally, because what do we do? We do the show about the preliminary hearing, and then we get done with the show, and then we watch the preliminary, and then we do a post show. So, but it is, but actually, in fact, more news than normal is happening, and it's

even occurred to me, it's a lot of stories that, I think, a mix of once Charlie would have found very important, like with Iran, and also ones he would have found pretty entertaining. You know, Charlie would really love laying into Graham Platner, That's you. Is Mitch McConnell dead?

Yeah, he would get all over that. We have a great series of guests today, by the way. We got just going to start out the Gates Strong with Sean Davis, one of our absolute favorites. Then we've got Scott Jennings, who we're going to ask, is Mitch McConnell dead? Is he, are we weekend at Bernie's kind of thing or whatever? Got Cam Higby and then we got Alex Marlowe. So just a total amazing run of show today. Sean, welcome back to the show, my friend.

Good to be back. Thank you for having me. So listen, you know, you're welcome back. You are one of those people if you say, I want to come on, which you never do. I'm always the one asking. But you know you would just find a place for you. So it's great to have you. I want to start kind of with the big E on the eye chart here, which is the preliminary hearing.

I've seen you active on social media. Explain to me how you think that's going. And then I want to get into the Iran stuff. Yeah, the whole hearing thing is a little weird because I guess they don't do the grand jury thing in Utah. So it's kind of wrap your head around it when you're used to someone being indicted and then they just end up being tried on the case. It's a little quirky. So we're seeing a lot of very preliminary stuff. They're having to clear this bar of, is there enough evidence to charge this guy?

And from what I've seen so far, I thought it was a pretty strong case before all the proceedings started this week. And I've moved from, yeah, it's a pretty strong case to kind of it's like it's not just open and shut it. It's a slam dunk case. They know exactly what Tyler Robinson was doing. They know where he was. They know when he was. They've got his DNA on everything. I don't expect it's going to be a long trial once the actual trial begins.

But I've actually been surprised by how overwhelming the evidence is against Tyler Robinson. Yeah. I mean, there's also kind of the social media of it all, right? It's something that we've had to kind of, you know, be forced to experience firsthand, right, with all the conspiracy theories, with all the noise. It feels, and man, I've gotten so many texts to this effect. It feels like the tide is turning. It becomes incredibly difficult to hold certain conspiracy theories

when you find out there's video evidence of him being on campus four times that day. Or when you find out that his DNA is on all the objects that were found on the rooftop where we have video of him going up on the rooftop and dropping down and so on and so forth. what do you think of the state of the internet right now and the social media of it all? And what has been the most, I guess, breakthrough bombshell piece of evidence that we've seen so far from your eyes? Yeah, you know, the internet's a weird place. It's so hard to tell if what you're seeing on it is representative of everyone or whether it's just a particular corner of the internet is really loud. And there was a corner of the internet that was super, super loud.

these are the people who just like think everything they see in real life is true crime and they're a part of the case. They get to go solve this case and they can go a little crazy. You know, I think the crazy was running rampant for a little while just with bonkers theories everywhere. And look, I don't have a problem with people being skeptical of an official government story. I think that's generally pretty healthy. But at some point, you actually have to use your brain and be like, well, do the facts fit the case here? And in this one, they absolutely do. I think the DNA evidence is pretty overwhelming, not surprising, but overwhelming.

And then just the way they were able to track him, kind of casing everything, moving about the meticulousness, which with which they have tracked him, I think is pretty amazing. That was stuff we hadn't seen so far. And so I think as far as like some of the crazies, you may have have people who were thinking like, yeah, yeah, you know, I assumed Tyler Robinson did it, but I have some questions about this. and about that, I think you're going to even see that level of skepticism start to fade away as people are like, yeah, you know, it was, this was an interesting thing to muse about when there was a vacuum and nothing big going on. But now that the rubbers, you know, has met the road, they were actually to the point where we're going to be able to convict and then hold accountable the person who did it. I think you're going to see a lot of the nuttiness and a lot of the craziness

kind of just melt away. I'm hoping you're right, Sean, although I'm also paying attention and it's very easy to see there are a good number of people where I just think they come in with motivated reasoning. They've always been committed to, I am not going to believe the case against Tyler Robinson, and they will find whatever they possibly can. So, for example, yesterday we had, as we mentioned, the footage on campus four different times, on campus wearing normal clothes so you can easily tell who it is. And they're still running with, oh, actually, we think this is the wrong height for that person. We think, they're wearing the same shoes, but different clothes we're wearing. So how do we know it's not? They didn't switch out to an entirely new person.

Oh, the limp in the different leg. Oh, the limp is slightly off. We don't. Sean, they're saying a bald man was driving the car late that night, which means it was either you or Blake. Yeah. I mean, we can joke about that, but they're really doing that. Or they're saying he met with turning point people. And I'm pretty sure they just meant he talked to the people who were setting up the event.

because he was planning a shooting. Can we just address that really quick? This is the silliest thing ever. Turning point staff and students are out on the, you know, where they're setting up the event. They're out there early in the morning and lots of people come up and talk to them. And they go, what time does it start? Sure, I'll come back. They're asking.

And by the way, they want to encourage people to come. You should check it out. Come back when we're doing this. That's the way this works. Yeah, that's clearly what happened. And instead, people are, I mean, we saw this with Candace. She's demanding. Who was the person that he was meeting with?

I can't wait to find that out. Oh, so you're going to go find another person to loop into your theories, another person to harass, another person to dig into every single one of their family members. It's disgusting. And it gets back to the key thing, which I've said, is these people, I don't think they're motivated by wanting to find the truth. They're actually just motivated. They want the person who killed Charlie to get away with it. Yeah, you know, it's, so I've worked, you know, in investigative journalism for 15 years. Before that, I was an investigator on the Hill for an investigative committee.

And then one thing you really learn is someone who investigates stuff and gets into it is you have to learn not to get too bought in to like a particular theory. Because this weird sort of confirmation bias kicks in and then it becomes like its own echo chamber and kind of self-fulfilling prophecy. It's something you learn over time. You'll find this little tidbit and you'll get super excited. But you have to learn, you know, it's something. point the facts need to fit the theory instead of looking constantly for ways to make the theory fit the facts that that's obviously what candis is doing that's what a lot of these people are doing you know whether she's nuts whether she's dishonest whether she's dumb whether it's a combination of all three

it a lot of people don't have the discernment or self-control once they kind of reach the point of no return to just be like oh you know i was wrong i thought it was this um it's not that i'm moving on She clearly doesn't have that, but thankfully, most people are not where she is. She's not representative of the Internet or everyone is all. Well said, well said. All right, Sean, one of the stories that is now happening as we speak, President Trump is in Turkey for a NATO summit. And we're bombing her on again. So that's fun.

He's now saying, you know, straight up to him, he says, to me, the MOU is done. I don't want to deal with these scumbags anymore. What do we make of this? Because I know you and I, Blake included, we are skeptical about this war, but we're excited about the prospect of peace. Is peace achievable? Oh, I think peace is always achievable. And, you know, with Trump, it's hard to know when he uses that rhetoric, is he trying

to scare them? We know he's not bluffing because he's more than happy to just bomb the crap out of them back into good behavior. Is he bluffing? Is he trying to get them to come to their sentence? is, and you also have the question of, like, what is actually going on in Iran? Who is in charge there? Who's making the decisions? Was this a deliberate government effort to go and try and blow up the MOU? Is there a faction in there that wants to keep the war going that doesn't like the prospect

of peace? And so they thought, oh, Trump is in Turkey, let's go harass some ships on the Strait of Hormuz and, you know, show him who's boss. I think what's probably likely going forward is just a very, very low level simmer, you know, pot shots here and there. Iran doesn't really have the capability to do much beyond that. They've been bombed back to the Stone Age. They have no, they have no Navy. They have no ability to really mount war against us. So it's kind of just like these little pot shots from the woods that they have. And when you take that into account, of course, peace is possible. As long as you have a president who is willing to have peace, as long as you have people over there who are willing to have it. It's possible. And so I think you have to understand that

it's possible going forward. If you just throw up your hands, you're like, oh, it's all over. Everything's done. It's going to be war forever. I think that's probably a self-defeating, a thought, probably a self-fulfilling prophecy. So we'll see what happens. I think they can probably be bombed back into good behavior. But who knows? We'll see. Yeah. And so we'll just play a little cut here from President Trump because he, like I said, he's meeting with all these world. NATO summit, Turkey. You know, how about this? SOTS six.

You've said that dealing with the Iranians is a waste of time. How do you plan to get the nuclear material and the nuclear assurances that you want? Well, we've already got the nuclear material because it's so far underground. Nobody's going to be able to get it except us because we have the equipment that you get it. But I go what the nuclear dust. The nuclear material is so far down underneath the mountain. Now it's been determined that it would take massive machinery that we have that no other country has. They can't get it.

I feel like that's a perfect encapsulation of how President Trump can pivot a little bit because he's really talked about getting the nuclear dust. And now that the war is back on, he's, well, actually, we're the only ones who can get the nuclear dust anyway. So it's a nice to have, not a need to have. Yeah, I agree. It does sort of seem like you're dealing, you mentioned this, though, the commanding control. apparatus within Iran, it's difficult to know when there are these little strikes against these vessels. Like, is that coming from one's, you know, kind of rogue element within the, you know,

decentralized command structure within Iran now? It's hard to understand, is peace, a peace deal even doable? Do you even need one at this point? That's the question. Obviously, you want the straight-a-Hormuz open and you want the energy flowing freely to the world, but there is this other thing where our production has ramped up. The other regional partners in that area have been rerouting oil and gas around Iran. They're currently constructing pipelines. Is this something that we could just sort of outlast them on? Yeah, that's a great question, especially in light of what's going on in Turkey with NATO. So I think the first question you ask is, does the U.S. need the Strait of Hormuz? And the answer is not really. That's not where we get the bulk of our oil from.

And so the next question is, who needs the straight of Hormuz open? It's Europe. They're the ones who need it open. They're the ones who are getting hurt the most. Now, obviously, there are spot price impacts that affect the overall global price of oil there. But it's Europe that needs that oil. And so with Trump being there with NATO, I think he's going to go in and make the case, like, hey, Europe, hey NATO. Remember, you exist to protect NATO, to protect Europe.

That was the whole purpose of NATO was to protect Europe from the Soviet Union. So this seems to be like maybe your problem to solve Europe and NATO. You know, we went in there, we removed the, bomb the crap out of the regime, made it impossible for them to go after their neighbors. And now that the only thing left that is the really major point of leverage as the Strait of Hormuz, it's probably a good idea for you NATO and you Turkey and you Europe to take some ownership and accountability. here and maybe you go and work on fixing this problem because it's actually not a big deal from the U.S. We can go and bomb Iran whenever we feel like it with impunity. But until that straight is totally open, it doesn't impact us all that much. It impacts Europe. So the fact that all of this is happening and this escalation is kind of occurring as Trump is in Turkey dealing with

NATO, I think is a really, really fascinating aspect of the ongoing hostility over in Iran. I don't want to, I'm not sure I'm ready to go that far down because we're using. that language of accountability. This is a war we did launch. This is a war that strikes, we launched in concert with Israel, and would we like NATO assistance? Would we like

the assistance of the rest of the Middle East? I think we do, but I think there would be long-term consequences if we took the attitude of we bombed it and now it's your problem. I think there's other ways we could look at going about this if we're not willing to do boots on the ground, which I don't like, Andrew doesn't

like. One of the of the ideas is just what if we made a war-winning level effort to build pipelines so that doesn't have to go through the Strait of Hormuz anymore? I feel like if you look at America in World War II, we could build things still. We could expand the Panama Canal. We could build thousands of ships. I think we could build pipelines and say, you know what, Strait of Hormuz doesn't matter anymore because all the gas is just going in a pipe to the Red Sea, to the Indian ocean, wherever we need it to go. I don't disagree with that. Sean Davis, you are a great friend. I know you've got a busy day. Thanks for fitting us in here, man. God bless you.

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Think clearly. Lead boldly. Carry it forward. Scott Jennings is with us now. Scott, great to see you, my friend. Hey, Andrew. So I was tempted to do a little joke at the beginning of this segment and talk about one of my favorite movies, Weekend at Burnies, but it would have been in bad taste. I'm kidding. Scott, don't get mad of me.

I'm kidding. You have gone out on social media and you have, you've said you spoke with Senator McConnell and that he was sharp. Just tell us about that because I'm still seeing it online that people think that. You should set some context here just because people who've only been watching us that Mitch McConnell has been in the hospital and there's been rumors, conspiracy theories, if you want to say online, that he is literally brain dead. He's dead and they're hiding this. And so you did say that you've spoken to him, which would seem to be in conflict with that theory. Yep, exactly. So the floor is yours, Scott. Well, as you all well know, a lot of people say crazy things on the internet that simply aren't true. And so, look, the senator and I, I think for the audience's context, we go back over 30 years. As a teenager, I met him for the first time, and I was a McConnell scholar at the University of Louisville, which is a scholarship program.

And, you know, I was a reporter when I was in college, and then I became a political operative. I worked on his campaigns. I mean, I've known and been having an ongoing dialogue with this man for 32 years. That's number one. Number two, he has been in the hospital for several weeks. And, of course, when you, you know, I've known someone for so long. and they're at this age and they're in the hospital is quite concerning. And the truth is, I hadn't spoken to him. I've gotten a few text messages, but I haven't spoken to him.

So when he called me yesterday morning to chat, I was heartened by that because I had also seen the same things you all had seen. And so I just put out a quick report, you know, hey, talk to Mitch McConnell and, you know, here's some of the issues he was discussing. I'm a little surprised. Everybody lost their minds over it because I was just kind of reporting on, you know, what had happened. But we talked for about 17 minutes. And it was. sort of a normal chat for us. He, you know, he talks about politics and public affairs. That's what we tend to talk about. And then I also saw that he talked to Senator Barrasso and Senator Thune. So he was clearly working the phones yesterday. I think a lot of people are upset with him for one reason

or the other, and they want to, frankly, in a very macabre or a terrible way, just sort of wishcast his demise. But my report was basically that he was up and about, making calls. And and able to chat about some of the issues of the day. Well, and listen, Scott, you know, I certainly have my political differences with Senator McConnell, but I do not wish him ill. I wish him a speedy recovery. And I completely respect that you are not Senator McConnell. Your politics are different.

You have a great long history with him, and he means a lot to you on a personal level and your career and how you got here. And so I'm heartened as well to hear that he's doing best. on the mend. I mean, I know it's no secret that he has been kind of going through a series of health scares in recent years. And he's getting older. It's getting up there. Does this, did you get any insight or do you know anything about this just as far as kind of the future for him or how that will work? Is the plan is still to kind of serve out the term? Good question. I think also for context, we should tell people about Kentucky politics. McConnell is retiring. He was, his term is up at the end of this year.

He announced way back last year he wasn't running again. There was a primary. The Republican won the primary named Andy Barr. He'll most likely replace McConnell in November. So at the end of this term, McConnell is done. His career will be over. He'll have been the longest serving senator in Kentucky history. It's a great achievement.

Right now, as far as I know, he plans to continue to serve out his term. I didn't ask him specifically about that, Andrew. But as far as I know, he intends to serve out his term. term. I think in Kentucky, if you get past a certain date in August, if there were to be a vacancy, they would just have the election in November and then the term would, you know, the new senator would take over in January anyway. So I don't really have anything to say about it other than, you know, he seemed like he was, you know, sort of engaging in the news and the issues of the day, which sounded to me like someone who intended to come back to work as soon as he's able to

do so. And, Scott, I just want to just give you just, you know, a vote of confidence in the fact that you would be willing to step into the breach and say something true and to do it fearlessly, even though, you know, the usual suspects online are going to cry foul. And I love that about you because my experience with you and my friendship with you has been that you are a fearless truth teller. Even if I disagree with you on something or whatever, I'm not saying I do. I'm just saying it doesn't matter. to you, you're going to speak what you believe to be the truth and you're going to do it fearlessly. And you've been excellent on the whole Charlie thing as well and the incoming that we've had and, you know, all these crazy zany conspiracy theories and the attacks on Erica and the attacks on the org and, you know, turning their attention now on, I don't know, what is it? Ben Shapiro is the new thing this morning. But just explain from your vantage point. You know, I don't talk to you every day. Your vantage point, what you're seeing out there. I keep getting a lot of people that are texting me saying the tide is turned.

I think the evidence has been overwhelming. I've seen people, truth tellers on social media, get louder and more bold. What has it been like from your POV? Well, first of all, I'm enormously frustrated for you and for the turning point team because of what you have to deal with. And I'm enormously frustrated and frankly angry for Erica because the things that are said and the people who are doing it for self-aggrandizement purposes, for monetization purposes. for engagement farming or whatever. I just think it's awful what they have done. So I get very emotionally frustrated on your behalf,

and I'm not the one that has to deal with it every single day. I think this hearing this week, from my perspective, though, has sort of, you know, the conspiracy theorists and the people who've been trying to create false narratives, I mean, they've kind of run into a brick wall this week, because evidence is evidence. Testimony is testimony. Facts are facts.

And when those things show up and blow up your, conspiracy theories. I think it's quite embarrassing for these people. So do I think that you're ever going to get rid of all these people who are, you know, trying to do what they do for their own, you know, personal reasons? No, but I think every rational person out there is looking at the facts and the evidence and saying, okay, we know the truth. We know what happened. And, and this process is now playing out as it should in a court of law. And, you know, that's what you're dealing with. You've got a court of law where facts matter. and you've got this court of social media where nothing matters.

And you all are now getting the facts out in a venue where conspiracy theories have no quarter. Only facts do. And I think that's helping turn the tide. I tend to agree with that. Yeah. And we have this great clip from Don Jr. I think he's really representative. I mean, he was in the courtroom with Erica and her, you know,

and Rob and Kathy Charlie's parents. And I thought it was A beautiful that he decided to go. I mean, Don is extraordinarily busy. People probably don't fully realize just how busy his life. He dedicated the better part of this week to go be in Utah with Erica. And this is what he told Fox News this morning, SOT 32. I haven't been that vocal because I haven't known what's real and what's not. But having literally been there in the room, seen the evidence with my own eyes,

you know, it's very clear to me that Tyler Robinson will be found guilty. I think that's representative of a lot of people, Scott. I think, yeah, go ahead. Well, I mean, I saw his interview as well, and I thought it was so great that he went and then made that statement because a lot of people listen to Donald Trump Jr. And when he speaks and does so with such clarity, you know, hopefully all the people that see the things that's being served to them by their algorithm understand that, you know, this is a credible voice. Someone who loved Charlie took the time to go and review what was happening in person and he's giving you an actual report. And I think that's really, you know, what's unfortunate here is a lot of people who are making a lot of money for themselves and a lot of attention for themselves, they have no idea what the facts are. They're not in the courtroom. All they have are conspiracy theories and lies and things that further a narrative that is for them. And then you have Donald Trump Jr. and others going to the courtroom saying, here are the facts, I'm reporting them to you. I think the people who are out peddling the conspiracy theories are going to be outraged by this and they're going to lash out and they're going to say, I mean things about it. it. But Donald Trump Jr. did what I think any good friend would do. And that's to say,

I wanted to get the facts for myself. I saw them. I'm telling you what they are. And it's clear to me that Tyler Robinson is the murder. That is as clear and factual as you can be based on witnessing in the courtroom what's happening. And I would hope most people would take his word for that versus some of these lunatics on the internet. I totally agree. Scott, you know, I'm tempted to ask you one last question about Graham Platner. If you have any top-line thoughts, we haven't got there yet. But the floor is yours, if you want. You know, here's what I am marveling at.

The Party of Democracy, Democrats, they're trying to throw Platner out. He won a primary, and 98% of what we know about Graham Platner was already known when he won his primary. People voted. It's just like Biden, you know. People voted for Biden. And then they came along and threw him out, too. I mean, we're lectured by the Party of Democracy all this. the time. There's no democracy in the Democratic Party right now. The only thing that happened was

is that they all got behind a scumbag. They knew they got behind a scumbag, and his poll numbers have now fallen to the point where he's no longer viable. I don't, I mean, Graham Platner, I mean, he's apparently some near-do-well, you know, fake oyster farmer who works for his mom. I don't know why, what else he has to do with himself except hang on to this nomination. I guess we'll see what happens today. That's well said, Scott. There's a reason CNN keeps you on, I will tell you. Scott, go get ready for your own show. Great to have you. Thank you for being a good friend and for standing by Charlie and The Truth.

And your other good friend, Mitch McConnell, which, you know, I think that's actually really commendable. We could talk about his policies some other day. We could disagree. Sure. Yeah, but have a great show today, Scott, and we'll talk to you soon, my friend. Thanks, Andrew. Good to see you, brother. Take care, guys.

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That's join ADF.com slash Charlie or text Charlie to 83848. This has been the big story unfolding the past two days while we've been covering the trial, the big national story. Graham Platner, the communist-adjacent lunatic, the nepo baby, fake oyster farmer, pathological, very bad guy in essentially all ways.

So naturally he ran away with the Democrat nomination to challenge Susan Collins in Maine. And he has the Nazi tattoo. There's so many things. He basically has every possible scandal. You could have adultery, abuse, sexual assault, weird Nazi connections. But now-

He has a cool mustache. But now he has a cool mustache. But Democrats seem to have been realizing over the course of time they think this guy is going to lose. And so a new hit piece or new attack piece has just dropped on Platner. I believe it was published by Politico had it first. And it's another one of his girlfriends. We've already had attacks from other girlfriends. This is another girlfriend who claimed that about, I want to say six years ago, that he entered her house by force.

and forced himself on her sexually. And that she's concealed it until now, but she has text messages where she's warning her friends about Platner. And so now they're lining up all of the Democrats. Ro Khanna has retracted his endorsement studies to drop out. Bernie Sanders has... Okay, well, lay them out. Throw up that image, please.

I mean, it's Schumer, Gillibrand, Pocahontas, Ruben Gallego has pulled. Okay, Ruben. Me thinks those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, Mr. Gallego. You got Mark Kelly. I mean, there's a ton of them. I mean, they all just, all of them.

I mean, it's like the memo went out. This is what's wild about. That's literally what it is. The memo clearly went out where we've seen this with the Democrats. They'll have that cascade. They don't split into a never-Trump and always Trump camp the way you'll see in the GPA. They are, they had this guy.

were lining up behind him, even though he seemed disgusting. And now they've suddenly decided, this guy is too dangerous. We're going to lose a winnable seat. Get him out. This attack story almost certainly came from Democrats. It's not Republican oppo. And there's even threats that more is going to drop. And it's all perfectly timed because they want to get him out right now.

Because if they get him out right now, they can basically put up a new candidate, some random flunky. and then they probably think they can beat Susan Collins with a warm body as long as it's not Grand Platner. Yeah. So that's how it works. Grand Platner is now persona non grata with the group of people that embraced him, even though there have been allegations for a long time. And by the way, I love the fake oyster farmer thing. I got to hit this because it's too good. Graham Platner, they say he's just a working class, mainer, oyster farmer.

no no no no his like family is very wealthy uh his mom owns a high end restaurant and i believe a like kind of a hotel or bed and breakfast or something that's attached to it but the details on that or whatever the high end restaurant so when he's an oyster farmer he's literally a hobbyist he's a hobbyist and guess how much he pays himself from his own business zero do you know why he doesn't pay himself anything from his own business because it makes no money because he no well that too but He has one client over $5,000. That's his mom's restaurant. But I will tell you, the other reason is because he's getting VA benefits.

He's getting over, it's almost like $70,000 a year tax-free as long as he doesn't make more money. So he doesn't pay himself anything from the business. He's a hobbyist because he's got one client essentially, and that's his mommy. And I think his families, like famous architect, uh, architectures, uh, archapeutics. Architects. Architects. I was thinking about a joke in my head. Sorry, and it screwed me up.

Architects. Anyways, so this is, he's a total joke. And he's a total phony, and he's a fraud. And he's been pulling the wall over everybody's eyes because he, you know, wears, like, flannel shirts, and he's got a big walrus mustache. And that's what they want. They want a guy who is right-coded, who says really radical things. That's essentially the model to beat a Republican.

You see, you see this all over the place where they, this is the, this is the Tim Walt's playbook, right? Let's go put him out with a shotgun and some camo and act like he's just one of us. He's one of the boys. In truth, he's a total flaming, radical left-wing lunatic. You see that in Minnesota. You see that in Grand Platner in Maine. And that's the model. Anybody that Hassan Piker is like, yeah, put him up there is probably a degenerate person who probably does awful things and who probably wants to destroy the country. That's their model. That's their model. And guess what? The Democrats are all complicit in this because they pushed him and pushed him and pushed him. They excused. They ignored. They gave license to this. They created the permission

structure. And then when the polling fell, they finally decided, oh, we're not going to get the power that we thought we were going to get politically. And so we're going to toss them overboard because there are a bunch of frauds and phonies, an absolute, absolute indictment of the moral bankruptcy of the Democrat Party. And these are all the same. people, by the way, that say that this, you know, Eging Carroll is a reason that Donald Trump should be thrown out and all this stuff. Well, they were

silent until the polling drop for Graham Platner. Eging Carroll's another fraud. It's deeper. It's not even just that he's a fraud. It's like, it gets that Democrats have realized they've been losing the white working class for ages because they are a party that hates

white men, straight white men. And they're always desperate to get them back. And they very easily fall for a person like Graham Platner because he's a kind of guy that a lot of their voters fall for. These disgusting phonies, these rakish guys, these damaged guys, and they think, I can fix him. And now the entire party is paying the price. It's entertaining to watch. I'm glad he's not in our camp.

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com and tell them your friend andrews sent you we have the great cam higby you want to know a fighter a fearless guy that's willing to go into the breach say hard things go into hard places puts himself at risk sometimes and I hope he stays really safe. That's Cam Higby. Cam, welcome back to the show, my friend. Good to see you. Hey, thanks for having me and I appreciate that. Yeah, absolutely. I have, we haven't talked actually much. I, we texted briefly last night. We were talking about coming on the show, but I've been watching you just kind of be so loud and proud and fighting back some of the crazies here. And, you know, you have my appreciation. And it just seems like you've taken it upon yourself and I really I really admire that you sent me this this clip

is an example of what we're up against here when confronting real evidence in the court of law about Tyler Robinson it just doesn't seem to even be able to it doesn't even go through for some of these people saw 35 it genuinely blows in my mind that people still believe that Tyler Robinson is fully responsible for Charlie Kirk's assassination truly like the people that believe that narrative. I have to believe that they have just not done their own research, because how can you, how can you believe the narrative that they are pushing? It makes no sense. In any type of world ever, it makes no logical sense. What are we dealing with here, Cam? I mean, it's total brainwashing. It's like, we've got video of the guy on the campus. We've got

his DNA, his DNA on the screwdriver, on the blanket, the gun was covered in. We've got him placed on the roof. We've got him arriving in his vehicle to the campus. We've got him on the campus twice before it happened during and once after, I believe. The evidence that Tyler Robinson is the shooter is mountainous. By the way, the defense is even admitting he turned himself in when they didn't even know they didn't have a name for the suspect. Yes. They had a person of interest. They had no named suspect. And it's almost like they're setting, they're already setting the stage for you should show mercy on Tyler Robinson because he cooperated with the process by turning himself in before he was a named suspect. And meanwhile, you have people online who

are going to seize on everything. A very popular one now seems to be it was actually Lance Twiggs who did it. Right. Based on the DNA, too. And I just said, you know, at a minimum, if it's Lance Twigs, that just means Tyler Robinson colluded with him in this murder and at least we have one of them. Well, exactly. So let's go through some of these conspiracy theories that are popping up in real time. They're getting swatted down pretty aggressively, which it's fun to see. Let's talk about this bullet that was found elsewhere. It was an unused bullet, right? Unspent bullet, 37. The unfired bullet that you refer to, is your understanding that that bullet was accounted for? That's my recollection, yes.

Okay. And it possibly belonged to an officer. that could have maybe been clearing his weapon. Yes, that was, that's what I recall being told about that particular item, yes. When you said that it was possible that that round was from an officer clearing his weapon, what exactly do you mean by that? Our standard practice in our department is to carry a rifle cruiser ready. I'm sorry? We carry our rifles in a situation which is called cruiser ready.

What does that mean? It means we don't have a round chain. So if an officer deployed with his rifle, he would chamber around. Once he had done whatever task it was that he was doing in order to put that weapon back, he would eject the magazine and eject the round. Sometimes in doing so, rounds are dropped or not accounted for. So it sounds pretty simple, Cam. Somebody on campus probably double-racked their gun to get cruiser ready.

And it was a crazy chaotic scene, and they didn't collect the bolt. they're supposed to, but accidents do happen. Your thoughts? Yeah, I mean, there's a lot going on. I mean, you can just observe from the footage right after the shot was fired. Everybody is running around, and then the police are chasing down potential suspects, the initial guy who came forward until he did it, and then they find out, oh, maybe it was somebody else that was up on the roof of this other building. And just like he said, they cruise without a round in the chamber. So if you've chambered around because you're ready to fight somebody because there's just been a shot fired, you're going to eject that so it can be put back in the vehicle for procedure afterwards.

If you eject the round and it kind of flies out and you miss where it landed, it's a perfectly plausible justification or explanation for how a stray round could have landed on the ground. I mean, there were plenty of armed people there, the good guys, right? So in the other thing that I noticed, too, is people were actually taking out of context the officer's testimony about when he went up on the roof and he said, it's just a little sidebar, when he went up on the roof and he said, I don't think that we've got our guy, or we don't have the right guy or whatever. It was because that initial guy came forward and said, I'm the one who did it, I'm the one who did it, and they detained him, but it turns out

that he wasn't the one who did it. I forget his name. George Zinn is who you're talking about. By the way, on the George Zinn thing, I just want people to know this. I, early days, I was like, what the hell is this? I mean, I asked around, I was like, because it's crazy to me, too. And basically this guy was a very well-known psychopath. Campus Gap Fly. Banned from campus, I believe. He was banned. They tried to keep him out of these GOP meetings.

I believe that certain high-profile politicians in the state basically said, this guy's going to get somebody killed because he's such a loon. And I think they arrested him. They found some child stuff, right, on his computer, whatever. The point is he was a known bad actor, crazy person in Utah for years. Okay. Next one, Cam. So this is, I had the team pull just some random DNA conspiracy tweet. This one's from Deligent Denison. FBI, DNA Examiner says DNA on screwdriver and towel were almost entirely Lance Twigs. Only 5% Tyler Robinson to Noah on one to Twigs 95% and the other was 11% Tyler Robinson and 89% Lance Twigs DNA. Is Twigs the real assassin? Okay, let's deal with that one. Here is a clip where the cross-examination of this DNA. specialist from the FBI. So the state cross-examines her 38.

You testified about exhibit 7 and 8 that they both had mixtures. Excuse me. Yes, item 7 and 8. And you're testing of these items that they both had mixtures. And you stayed, I want to make sure I understood this. You stated, I believe, that the minor sample, the minor contributor was less than 20% and that it was actually 5%. The ratio was 5% to 95%.

One of those samples, yes. You remember that? Yes. Does that mean the 5%? was from Twigs and the 95% that 95% is assumed from the defendant the Robinson when I calculate the statistic twigs is DNA profile aligned with the 5% contributor and Mr. Robinson's DNA profile aligned better with the 95% contributor okay same question with regard to eight I think you said the ratio was 11% from the minor and 89% from the major is that

twigs being the 11% and Robinson being the 89% yes twigs better aligned with that 11% contributor and mr. Robinson better aligned with that 79% All right, so there you go. That's on cross. Put up Liz Wheeler's tweet just so we can see it. DNA on the towel and screwdriver. Lance Twigs 5%. Tyler Robinson 95%. Lance Twigs 11%. Tyler Robinson, 89%. So I don't know what they're doing what they're doing what they're doing what they've always done. They're making stuff up. They take it out of context and they try to spin a certain way. Same thing that I was just talking about. They tried to say that when he said they don't have the right guy, that he was actually talking about Tyler Robinson, not Zinn. And they've done this with a number of things, including the compilation. They said that there's no footage of the shop being fired or of the shooting. When they were just talking about one specific exhibit, we don't necessarily know if that exists yet, but it doesn't really matter either. There's almost never footage of the murder. There wasn't when Carmelo Anthony

got killed. There was no footage of him. Or sorry, when, when Austin Metcalfe got killed, There was no footage of Carmelo Anthony stabbing him, but everybody still believed it. And the same people, by the way. Yeah, it's such a good point. You rarely have video of a murder. So you rarely have as much evidence as we have been fortunate enough to collect in this case of a confession of DNA, of video footage of them at the scene of. But he's just a patsy. He's a patsy.

And you know why I know this, Cam? Because his different legs bend in the video. All right. So let's look at this. is the bending of the knee one, which is a lot of fun. SOT 39. This is actually the surveillance footage that was presented at court, this massive, massive bombshell footage of Tyler Robinson once he comes back in the long pants and these different legs are bending, I guess. Sot 39. He adds out of the parking garage on foot into the campus and actually goes to the quad area

of the campus. At that time, he makes contact with some representatives from TPP USA. Like what area? Sorry, the ampute theater is what I've previously referred it to. All right. So that was actually a different one. I apologize. This is the referencing the makes contact with Turning Point.

It was another big one I saw online. I'll handle this. But you've been at some of our tabling events. You've tabled. When you're setting up, there are dozens of students, volunteers, a few staffers, the tech people, setting up, they're there. You can just walk right up to them and say, hey, how you doing?

What times the events start? And that's apparently what happened here. Does this shock, does this prove there was coordination between Tyler Robinson, who they say didn't do it, by the way, and turning point staff?

When I table, I get people that come up to me and they start trying to debate me while I'm setting up. So, like, definitely. Half the time when those people, are kind of just around you in the setup phase. And I set up my own tables with whoever I'm with, whether it's turning point people or my people or whatever. People just come up all the time and most of the time you don't agree with those people. Most of the time those people are not conservatives who just want to root you on, you know.

So it doesn't surprise me at all. Anyone can just walk up at any time. It's a public campus where I know that Tyler Robinson was moving around the campus all day. Everything about it is setting up. As you said, people get tethered to the. their particular weird theories. Everything sets up as you would expect. A person who wants to do a shooting,

he shows up the first time to confirm the event is on, make sure, find out what time it's all going to start. Shows up a second time to scope out where he plans to commit the crime. Shows up a third time to commit the crime. Shows up a fourth time to try and retrieve evidence. All of it is laid out very clearly. And instead, some people are, I've said earlier in the show cam, I think some people, they really are just motivated by a intense desire to see the killer get away with it.

I don't feel like they're looking for truth when they decide to fixate on, oh, who's this turning point person that the suspect spoke with? We better find them and harass them. I suspect police know who they spoke with. I suspect police have spoken to them. I suspect that evidence will be presented at the trial. And I suspect it will have nothing to do with any theories people come up with this time around. genuinely find this one, you know, ridiculous, but they're going to hook their, you know, claws into it anyways. Okay, this is another one. So did you want to say anything else? Sorry,

I'm sorry, I just wanted to say, real quick, a lot of times the people around the tables, too, are like college chapter people. I mean, it's not like, you know, direct report to you, Andrew, or they're just, for the record, I have none of those at these events. That only makes it more appealing to these people because they'll think, oh, a college student, that's an easier person to bully. They must have got MK Ultra. They had an inside man. They had an inside man in the campus.

That's what they'll run with. All right. They'll do that with every opportunity they can get because I think most of these, a lot of these people are just motivated by being bad. Okay. So here's the next one. The bending of the legs. This is when Tyler Robinson comes back to campus to actually commit the crime.

This is a gentleman named Matt Kester. I'd never heard of him before, but he did a demonstration on. his YouTube page showing what happens when you disassemble a rifle into two pieces and you stick one down either leg and you sort of use your armpit to kind of keep it in place. Stop 40. Well, my 18-year-old six-foot something assistant here who weighs how many pounds? 140-ish, okay? I don't know what the killer's weight was, but we do know that based on the mugshot, he was about

72 inches tall. The change was carrying the stock in the front. You can see down here, these jeans are a little bit baggyer. But if you pull them back, you remember that image of the gigantic cell phone sitting right here in the thigh? That's your stock. That explains why the leg motion cannot come forward because it's completely locked in. A walk towards me. Every back that way.

Walk straight at me. So he's actually got the barrel and the stock in one of the theories is that they had it down either leg, right? And depending on the fabric of your jeans, you could bend one or the other going up and down the stairs. So that's what's been described on some videos. there's actually a video I'm thinking of right now that we should have probably pulled but this this is their their newest theory is that one leg bends and the other doesn't problem is he's probably got something down both pant legs actually cam any thoughts yeah totally I mean they act like this is not possible even just the putting the rifle down the pants thing but I've seen multiple variations of the same video that

you just showed where different people are either shoving a whole 30-0-6 down their their pants or they're disassembling a 30 out six and putting the barrel down one and the stock down the other. And they have close to full motion in both cases if they really want to do full motion. Now, Tyler Robinson might have been a little bit more skinnish because he's going to assassinate somebody. So he might not have bent his legs as much just because he didn't want maybe the barrel would poke through his legs and somebody would realize something's off. But totally possible. Totally possible. All right. So the other thing that we're still. going with is that it was there's a height difference so there's an allegation that the person in the

video was actually 6-2-6-3 this is coming from candace herself but as you heard in that clip by the way he referenced directly 72 inches which is not 510 511 it's 6 foot so there's that and then we've got that it we'll play a clip from her this is uh that she doesn't believe that he was on campus that day which one is that All right We'll see I think this is it 41

I do not believe that Tyler Robinson is the person Who was walking in that staircase So real quick Obviously that was before the preliminary hearing But that's still A large degree of their Allegations online

It's just silly It's just silly They're saying He has to be way taller Because he looks lanky So I guess they're unfamiliar With the idea Of a twink

Who's not very fit doesn't have a has an elongated body even if they're not that tall. Okay, Tyler Robinson didn't lift. So my response on social media was like, I remember when I first heard that Tom Cruise was only 5-7-2. Looked a lot bigger on all those

movies for a long time. Final 15 seconds to you, Cam. Yeah, I mean, it's just ridiculous. They desperately want Tyler Robinson not to be the person. What's the evidence that's not Tyler Robinson? There is none. And they say, well, we haven't been presented with evidence that this is Tyler Robinson. Well, that's probably because we're not in the trial yet.

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It feels like it feels like one of those weeks. We're only on Wednesday, but I feel like I've lived two weeks this week. Your POV from the outside looking in. Are we talking about the trial? Yes, sir. Yeah, it seems like we're getting more kind of excruciating details about stuff that I think people who are Occam's Razor people. I'm on Occam's Razor people.

I always kind of default to the most obvious explanation is the explanation. And occasionally it's not. Occasionally it's very complicated. There's a very conspiratorial web that has actually worked its magic and somehow pulled off some sort of unbelievable thing and pulled the wool out from all of our eyes. It just seems like we're getting a lot of confirmation of the most obvious explanation about what's happening and is deeply painful to watch and it's hurtful. And I think that a lot of the conversation online is exposing a lot of people. who I'm sure going to come up in the course of this conversation, who have gone out of their way to try to, I think, obfuscate

and to cast doubt upon getting clarity for the true victims of Charlie's death. And I think it's all just so horrific, but hopefully there'll be some closure involved at the end when the dust settles. All right. So you want to name names. All right. Well, here's one. This won't be the first time we've mentioned today, but whatever. This is Candace. Stop 45.

Who do you think is behind this? I don't think Tyler Robinson was there. This is a video of Mr. Robinson returning back to campus the same way that he did previously on foot. I do not believe the person walking in the staircase was even the person that we saw running off of the roof. Were able to track Mr. Robinson when he leaves this parking structure? Yes, we were able to. What are we seeing now? Mr. Robinson lowering and jumping off of the roof of the low seat building onto the grass area.

I don't even know what day that person was running off the roof. It's just afternoon, about 12.15. On what day? September 10th, 2025. So that's that. Your reaction? It's just so devastating to the conservative movement, to Turning Point USA, to Charlie Kirk's family and his legacy, to those who actually did know Charlie and love Charlie and work with him closely for so long, that this individual has

gone out of her way since his death to try to destroy his family, destroy his organization, and is so willingly lying through her teeth, saying things she knows nothing about. And even though there's overwhelming evidence portraying one narrative to go out of her way to suggest that actually that's all fake, that's all smoke and mirrors, and this other narrative of which I have no evidence whatsoever, that's the real narrative. And to continue to pedal this over and over again and to be able to garner attention for it, it's very upsetting. And it comes from a very dark place.

And it's a place that we're all going to have to explore, unfortunately. Yeah, you know, it's interesting because there was this expression. Blake and I were discussing it yesterday. It's a medical expression, I think, where they say when you hear the sound of hooves approaching, you probably should look for horses, not zebras. Right? It's kind of a weird one. I hadn't heard it before, but somebody brought it up to me yesterday.

and I was like, man, that's so true. What do you think it is about the online space, the social media of it all that seems to incentivize people looking for zebras? Anything other than Tyler Robinson being the murderer here, they want anything else to be true. They've even said they would be willing to go on stand to defend Tyler Robinson despite DNA evidence, despite turning himself in, despite the defense not even arguing that he didn't turn himself in. Despite the defense not even arguing, you know, shape charges or exploding mics or anything like that. Why this incessant demand to look at any other potential reality other than the one that's staring them right in the face? I think we know why, but I'll let Alex answer. Yeah, I think there's a few potential explanations.

There's the darkest one where there's literal demonic possession of that individual that you're playing. And that's one that I think a lot of people wonder what's going on. how could you behave so evilly so publicly? The other thing is, of course, cloud chasing is just very addictive to get online views as people know and people follow their traffic very closely. And that's a very simple answer that could explain some of this. But I think what's more compelling is Candace is really operating as like a cult leader. If you look at the hallmarks of what a cult leader does, they keep things very vague but also simple. They provide answers that other people don't, even though there's really no evidence behind the answers, but they're very convincing in the way they portray it. They emphasize in this sort of sensational over what's intellectually available to people. And it just does feel like there's almost like a religious nature to some of her followers. It just makes me think that that's what's going on. Also, she kind of disguises, I think, how much she makes, she's getting very wealthy off of this process. And that doesn't seem to come up at all. And she accuses all sorts of people, you, Andrew, I heard, I heard you've been just printing money since Charlie got assassinated, even though you

start all these businesses with him. And your financial future was tied directly to Charlie. No, you've been the greatest beneficiary financially at all. All of that's classic projection because she's getting rich doing this stuff. And it's just, it's all so sick. And I can't believe we've got to keep doing it over and over again. We've got to keep watching this stuff. Yeah, you know, it's interesting, though. It does feel like the tide is turning. Really. I've noticed a massive uptick in brave voices, stepping forward and confronting it. And I'm super encouraged by that. This weekend, this week has been incredibly hard because we're forced to relive this awful, awful moment. but it's also been really encouraging to see people look at the evidence react the right way,

you know, that you would think people would react, and then actually speak up and say, guys, what are we doing here? And so I don't know if you've noticed that too, but I have been personally encouraged to see people moving in the right direction at the very least. It's very tough to maintain any credibility when you go on one of the biggest podcast in the world and say, I don't think Tyler Robinson was there. And then A week later, you see actual footage of him being there specifically, plus more details about, you know, walking with a limb, things like that, that are also pretty compelling. It's shredding of credibility.

There's no credibility left at that point. But for I think most people who have been observing this, there was no credibility weeks ago. And still, it goes on. The charade goes on. The reality TV that takes place on YouTube goes on. But I really wanted Blake's explanation, too. Blake, I want to hear what you have to say. Yeah.

I mean, I... To the psychology. I'm just on. I think, first of all, I think a lot of leaders, I've asserted, I think, I think Candice, for example, was resentful of Charlie while he was alive. I think she was resentful of Erica for being someone Charlie loved more than her. I think she took an ego injury when she was not immediately asked to take over turning point. I think all of those things play a role. And I think she just genuinely wants the person who killed Charlie to get away with it.

I think she wants that to be the case, and I think a lot of her followers are committed to a similar thing, a similar attack. Because the way they act, they don't act like people who are really interested in the truth. They act like people who are interested in hurting people. That's why I flagged when they're now really interested in the idea of identifying who at Turning Point spoke to Tyler Robinson, whatever random Turning Point volunteer or staffer was helping set up the event. They want to find this person so they can get claws into them, bully them online if they have social media, bully them in real life if they can get away with it, dive into their family members, make these people feel miserable and attacked. Andrew, you and I, we've gotten attacked for a while. We're used to it.

We're used to what it is. But if you're not a public person, that's a really unpleasant process to go through. You feel terrorized. And they like the idea of terrorizing someone, even if they're not fully just thinking, oh, I'd love it if the person. killed Charlie got away with it. A lot of people, they find it very addicting to find some excuse to be cruel to

somebody, to be nasty to someone and tell themselves, I'm doing the right thing. I'm a crusader for justice. You always have to look out for that. This is why lynch mobs are bad. This is why mean girl stuff is bad. It's very intoxicating to be

evil and clove yourself in the mantle of righteousness. And I think that's what's driving. this? I think that's part of why I think my cult point is worthwhile, because a lot of the followers is very hard to pull yourself away from cults. When you're so invested, you've been spending all this time, these hours, trusting this individual to bring you the truth, and you realize it's, it's all completely false, all of it's completely bogus. It's very hard for you to admit to yourself that I've been misled, I've been led astray, and I've been wasting a bunch of my time.

And people don't necessarily respond to that by saying, well, now I want the truth. No, people get very angry. They get angry with themselves. They get angry with people surrounding. them and that's what we're witnessing. That's what we're going to witness. Hi folks, Andrew Colvett here. I'd like to tell you about my friends over at Y Reefi. You've probably been hearing me talk about Y Refi for some time now. We are all in with these guys. If you or someone you know is struggling with private student loan debt, take my advice and give them a call. Maybe you're behind on your payments. Maybe you're even in default. You don't have to live in this nightmare anymore. Why Refi will provide you a custom payment based on

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Lance Twiggs has limited immunity. And I just want to say this at the top. If it becomes clear that Lance Twigs had a more direct role in what happened to Charlie, I hope he rots in prison or more. Right now he's getting limited immunity as a witness for the state to present evidence against Tyler Robinson. I think that is going to be a really, really big. moment. I hope today's the day that we get there, but the defense is making this thing drag out a lot. They've made it take an hour for one of the witnesses to identify the defendant in the courtroom.

They took an hour to establish Charlie's Christianity. Yep. They are, they're taking their time on every aspect of this, but that's one reason we're doing our shows with this focus. We want to make sure people are able to see and digest everything that happens. Yeah. You're, you're, are you, what are you most anticipating, Alex? That's for me. that's what it is. Yeah, it's a great point. I hadn't thought of it that way, but it does seem like they're really making sort of pro forma stuff take forever, which is, I don't understand the strategy, but I guess maybe that's all they got because there's so much overwhelming evidence against the defendant here. But the twigs, the twigs angle is very interesting because it just seems implausible

that Robinson would have done this without twigs coordination. It just seems like that he would do this on behalf of Twigs and then that's it, just like as a favor or something, it seems like there had to have been some sort of deeper connection to it. And just simply saying you had an opportunity to take out Charlie and I'm going to take it. It just, it seems very thin to me. So there's obviously more there. The question is what is the more there and how much did they bond over hatred of Charlie, which I'm guessing is more substantial than we've known to this point.

So I'm definitely curious to see where that goes because, of course, Twiggs is a bad actor in this. Did Twigs specifically do anything illegal? Everyone watching here would bet yes. So the question is, what is that? Can we figure that out and have him held accountable as well? So last year, a YouTuber named Turkey Tom had a whistleblower come forward, identify himself as either a roommate or like a friend that lived. He was in the same. Yeah, friend group.

Friend group. He would come over to their house a lot. And I really recommend people check this out. I, Jack Posobic tweeted about it and linked to the episode. And I have been told credibly that this is, this person checks out, that this actually was somebody in their friend group, their friend orbit. And the story that he tells is one of absolute manic depression of rampant drug use, black market HRT, extremely graphic and sort of like, I want to remember that there's

11-year-olds watching this, but sexual acts sort of like in the house between Twigs and Robinson. And remember that Robinson was an LDS kid. He's a Mormon kid who strayed from the Mormon church. His first, I guess, lover, if you will, was this Lance Twiggs character who was very manic, who was very all over the place. And it kind of had a really, dark side and was trying to transition. Well, it's what we were discussing earlier. The way you can construct this, you can choose to fixate on everything that can possibly undermine it, or you can look for the horse hooves or the zebras.

And the horse hoof here is, okay, well, what would drive, what kind of person would commit a heinous out of the blue political assassination, basically throw their life away for this sort of thing? And you'd probably think, oh, let's find someone who's living a very bizarre life where they would be marinating in strange online stuff, that that would rather. radicalize them ideologically, it would make them think insane violent actions are suddenly more comprehensible. They might have a partner or a friend who's driving them onwards. And lo and behold, this is what we are finding in the case. Yeah. And Tyler Robinson sort of is painted in this,

is this quiet person that was the only person to comfort. I mean, we're talking images of him coddling him on the couch, rocking him back and forth, trying to make Lance Twigs okay. And you could see how all of those elements combined would lead somebody like Tyler Robinson who had been living in this very dark place detached from reality, disassociating from normal morality, could think that doing something so heinous was actually an act of love for somebody like Lance Twigs. Those are just thoughts, but Alex, final love. Yeah, I think it's the, yeah, the radicalization arc is something I I think all of us are very curious about, those of us who knew Charlie and care about him. that how could this guy do this and play God in this way?

And what was the process for him seeming like a normal guy with a normal family to get to this sort of level of evil? And what connection does Lance Twiggs have in that is a curiosity, among many others. So any more that can be done on that front, hopefully from a legal standpoint, we all want justice. That's number one. But also I think a lot of people love Charlie would like some clarity.

I think that would help us find some peace if we start to understand more of those details. Man, I certainly would count myself. among that group. I mean, that's what's so frustrating about this whole thing. We've been swatting away

the gadflies here. And we haven't gotten a chance to be the ones to express our questions because we're constantly trying to, you know, deal with the crazies out there. Like,

there are legitimate questions. I want to know answers. And by the way, I have been pushing behind the scenes and so is Blake and so is Erica. Like, I'll go on the record. I don't feel we ever saw

a full satisfactory accounting for the weird videos that we saw. Who else was in the Discord chat? I want answers. to all of this stuff, and hopefully we're going to get it the right way. Alex Marlowe, you're a good friend. It's good to see you, my friend. Thanks, guys. I'll talk to you soon. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.