The Charlie Kirk Show - Redistricting Wins Wars

Episode Date: December 5, 2025

In politics, you play to win. So why are Indiana Republicans refusing to do so? The show explains why Turning Point Action is readying primary challenges for Republicans who won’t redraw Indiana’s congressional map. Then, Ken Paxton touts a SCOTUS victory that will add GOP seats in Texas. Andrew and Blake share new info on the J6 pipe bomb suspect. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com!    Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We're going to be talking all about redistricting in this first hour. This is a big passion of Charlie's throughout this year. And it's going to be a very important topic for all of 2026 and beyond. We have, we got something very very. special. We got a very special opportunity for our country last November. And that opportunity was a trifecta in government. It was a House majority, a Senate majority, and the White House. That is, in these days, it's basically what you need to get anything done in Washington. And we fought very hard for that. And if you lose even one part of that, possibly the House,

it greatly limits what a president is able to do, what is plausible for you to do. And so we have to be looking ahead to the 2026 elections. and what's so useful about President Trump what has made him such a formidable political figure is he's very good at poking up against a lot of things that are just traditionally done in Washington and saying, wait, why are we doing that? Why aren't we seizing a bigger advantage?

We say this country is in a big state of crisis because it is. We've talked about the border. We've talked about the foreign wars we're in Meshden. We've talked about the rapid decline of a lot of things in American life that need big resolutions so if the state of the nation is in a crisis are you going to treat it like a crisis and president trump has looked at that and said okay it's a crisis we should try to get

political wins and one of the most obvious is he looks at the house map and says well okay they say we could draw house maps to win more seats for our party it's legal to do that it's not a violation of democracy and anyway, why aren't we doing that? And Trump is the one who finally had that light bulb moment. Wait, we should do it. And so throughout this year, we've seen campaigning in red states around the country, in Texas, in Florida, and we're going to be covering Indiana in just a moment here, where we look at a map and say, well, okay, if we were to move these districts around, instead of having 60% of house seats, we could have 65, 70, 75% of the house seats. in this state. And we know Democrats already do this. They've done it in New York. They did it just

this last cycle. They've done it in Maryland. They've done it in California. They call it nonpartisan districting yet. They found a magical way to make it incredibly partisan how many Democrats are in California's seats. And so President Trump looked at that and said, we should behave the same way because if we lose the House in 2026, we're going to get a new order in Washington where it's going to be endless subpoenas, endless investigations, probably endless impeachments. You know, why not go for a third, a fourth, a fifth, the tenth impeachment of Donald Trump? Just impeach him every single week. It impeach him every single day. They would love to do that. It would be a distraction from the things we need to do for the country. And it would mean no more reduxes on the

big, beautiful bill. No more, no more passing anything. Let's say Trump wins over Republicans to getting rid of the filibuster. Well, if you don't have the House, you still can't pass legislation because Democrats can block it. So we've been fighting to change House seats to get more Republican seats so that we have more of a potential margin in these upcoming midterms. We'll be having Ken Paxton on. He had a big win, a very important win for the state of Texas. Texas lawmakers got their ducks in a row. They passed a new map that looks like it should be able to deliver Republicans four or five extra seats in the House of Representatives.

now that was very predictably blocked by a federal court judge who said actually you you can't do that that's uh that you know democrats are allowed to do it but you're not allowed to do it basically uh but the supreme court yesterday struck that back and said nope texas maps are good to go for this election and we're going to talk to ken paxton about how that happened and what will have moving forward uh but there's still unfinished business and one of the biggest sources of unfinished business is in Indiana. In Indiana, we've had more difficulty, unfortunately, there. You're not going to get as big of a win, but you have a state that is very Republican, one of the most Republican states in the country, but they have a house map that has carved out safe

seats for Democrats. It would be doable in the state of Indiana to make a fully Republican state. And just so far, they have chosen not to do this. And so, we're putting pressure on that on them to to change their minds charlie's point of view was always we should have state lawmakers and federal lawmakers who are as conservative as the voters that they represent and if you talk to rank and file republicans in indiana conservatives in indiana trump voters in indiana they want to have a house majority that can enact what president trump ran on in 24. And if they can redo their house maps in order to do that, they will support that. If they can do that, they want it to happen. And so I think we reasonably believe rank and file

voters in Indiana want a new house map. Yet state Republicans have so far declined to do that. They've come up with excuses for why it can't happen, why they're failing to do it, why they're refusing to do it. And so we have a story in Politico today that turning point action, we've always said we are going to put pressure on Republicans to reform themselves. And so we are prepared to back primary challengers to Republicans who are not willing to assist the president by redoing our House maps. And let me get this up. I know Andrew was just sending it to me. Do we have Andrew, by the way? Yes, you do.

I'm here. We have him. Oh, we've had him. I'm here. Welcome, welcome from Mara Lago. Andrew, I was just telling them about this Politico story that we're taking action in Indiana. Yes, we are. It's a huge deal.

We have a big rally today. So that's happening right now. Turning point action is at the capital in Indiana. And Blake, this is one of these dynamics that is really, I think, you're going to see it shift. Yeah, we still have to keep a focus on, you know, the swing states. That's what you've got to do to win a national election. But what I have observed, what Charlie knew was that the fact that we had spent so much time in swing swing stakes is sometimes these solid red, predictably red states have not gotten enough attention, especially nationally. And what happens when when you see that dynamic play out is that the voting public, the grassroots, the base begins to sometimes get out of alignment with their elected people, right?

You have incumbent political machines. You have incumbent elected leaders. that just sort of stay entrenched. And so you get this Bush era early 2000s conservatism in a MAGA world where the Trump is the president and there's a misalignment. And so when President Trump says, hey, let's get these maps so that we're more competitive in 2026, you see senators in the state of Indiana that are standing in the way. And so this is a rally to say, listen, the base is on board, the grassroots is on board, the president's on board. Many, many organizations, C-4s, PACs, across the board are on board to get this done. the importance. And we're going to, you mentioned your audio was cutting in and out for me,

but I heard you mentioned Texas. We're going to have Ken Paxton on with a huge win on the Texas redistricting maps. But we have to all be rowing in the same direction. And so when you see senators, for whatever reason, whether it's because Trump used a naughty word and he didn't like it, or whatever the reason is that they want to give, we have 40 Republican senators in the Hoosier state. We only need 26. So, you know, this is something we should be able to get. get done, Blake. And this is the message we're sending. It said, hey, get on board or we're going to use the levers at our disposal at turning point action. We're going to align with other groups that are like-minded and within the Trump ecosystem to primary you if you don't get on board. And that's

politics. It's not personal. This is just simply politics. It's what Charlie would say. We need Republicans as conservative as the people who elected them. Bingo. Bingo. Absolutely right. And that's what we're committed to. And, you know, honestly, our people, they're ready for this. They're excited about a new challenge like this. And so bring it on, Indiana. We hope you get on board. There's still time to do it, but it doesn't look like it's going to happen. This is Lane Schoenberger, chief investment officer and founding partner of Y Refai. It has been an honor and a privilege to partner with Turning Point and for Charlie to endorse us. His endorsement means the world to us, and we look forward to continuing our partnership with TurningPoint.

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But you've got to check this energy out. This energy is amazing. 390, Brett Galshefsky, our national enterprise director, turning point action, is kicking things off 390. Rakeem Jeffries, AOC, Alon Omar, and all the radical leftists that will stop our ability to make this country great. Yeah, and so Blake, I mean, I'm told the energy in the room is like through the roof and that on MS now, you can barely hear the reporter over the roars of the rally in that in that state house. That's great. That's great. You know, when we tell you the grassroots is fired up, they are fired up. They want to get wins. We see this so often.

We saw this with a lot of our discussions. this week over the, you know, the Hegg Seth and the boat drama where you have some Republicans to say, oh, you know, we might need this investigation of this whole thing. We might have to spend weeks, maybe two years investigating this. And then the response from the people who email us, freedom of Charlie Kirk is overwhelmingly, no, I support them taking out drug boats. I support them being able to execute their agenda. I definitely don't want Republicans getting in the way of something that reminder we ran on and i think it's the same thing with this the rank and file would say we want our side to win and to get wins why would we not do things that get us wins well you

mentioned drugboats uh blake and i just have to give a shout out to our our good secretary uh of war pete hegseth he uh he gave gave a little shout out yesterday and so i i saw a tweet from Chuck Schumer and the Chuck Schumer said Pete Hegseth has to resign now and I replied to Chuck Schumer I said every new attack aimed at peak Hegseth makes me want another narco drug boat blown up and sent to the bottom of the ocean and as if it was like Christmas morning Secretary of War Pete Hegseth replied to yours truly and said your wish is our command Andrew just sunk another narco boat so you know there you go We have a very responsive administration. The feedback loop is working. And you guys tell us that you are supportive of the immigration moratorium. When you guys tell us that you are in support of President Trump blowing up these narco boats before they can deliver poison to our shores. When you guys tell us that you're actually pretty supportive of this forward facing more, I would say, aggressive posture when it comes to the Western Hemisphere, we communicate that back. The feedback loop is working. It's alive and well.

that was something Charlie was really good at. And that's something we want to be really good at. So please keep sending your emails. What do you want to see get accomplished? What do you want to see get done in this country? Freedom at Charliekirk.com. Freedom at Charliekirk.com. We're listening.

Blake literally spends the entire show, and I spend large chunks of the show looking at that inbox. So that is a really important touch point for you guys. So what do you think about Indiana? Do you want to see Indiana senators get on board with this? Are you skeptical in some way? I don't know. I would assume you're supportive.

and if you are supportive, this is what I want you to do. The team could put the URL up on the bottom. So we have a URL tpaction.com forward slash act Indiana. So again, that's tpaction.com forward slash act Indiana. You can send emails. You can send notes. You can send this to your friends in Indiana if you're listening in Indiana. I know citizen free press could probably blast this out if he's listening.

that we want as many people sounding the alarm, raising their voices and saying that we, the grassroots, demand action. We demand counteroffensive against the Democrats power grab. If this was happening in a blue state, they would absolutely do it. Look what they did in California. Look what the New England area is basically blue. There's conservatives up there. It doesn't matter. There's no congressional representation if you're conservative.

We absolutely have to get this done. And here's the last thing I'll say. And Blake, I'll give you the last minute. Charlie was big on this, huge on the redistricting fight, which is why we had Ken Paxton booked this morning after his big win at the Supreme Court. This was something he was absolutely committed to, and this was something he was messaging on in the final days before he was taken from us far too soon. Exactly. Charlie was a fighter.

Charlie was a guy who always wanted to be in the trenches. He would always want to ask, what can I do to help meaningfully to change things? It's very easy to talk. It's very easy to tweet. It's very easy to have an opinion on issues. Charlie would say, what can we actually do to get wins on the board? Whether that was in legislation, whether it's in elections, whether it is laws, we can change. One of my favorite Charlie moments was when he went out to Nebraska to try to get them to change their electoral vote map.

Another, a thing that should still happen, a thing we have not forgotten about. We are going to keep nagging you, Nebraska, about this. but Charlie would say pick up your political wins at the state level make your red states red everybody this is Andrew Colvette executive producer of the Charlie Kirk show Burna is proud to continue supporting Charlie Kirk's mission

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So I am very, very excited about this conversation. This was a really big win. It was what we're talking about in the first few segments. We want to see wins on the board. And Attorney General of this great state of Texas, Ken Paxton joins us now. Welcome, sir. We're grateful to have you. Well, thanks for having me.

It is a big win. and it's like an early Christmas present, not just the state of Texas, but the entire country. Yeah, absolutely. So this went all the way up to the Supreme Court. I mean, we don't have to get into the legal weeds here, but they granted an emergency stay, correct? So this was, this had been blocked by a federal judge. And then, so you took it from there. And that's how we got the big win last night. Yeah, so we were suit of our maps, which we always are. They claimed it was based on race. We said, no, it's political, just like all these other Democratic states around the country that are gerrymandering based on political points of view. And we had a three-judge panel rule against us, two, one, arguing that because there was some letter from DOJ that it was based on race, we said, no, our legislature had no intent.

It was all based on political considerations. And that's the truth. And when we lost at the lower court level with the three-judge panel, we appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court directly. And fortunately, we got a stay, which means that the original court, the three-judge panel had put a stay on our maps, and it threw our primary into chaos because our filing deadline ends December 8th. It's been open since November 8th. So it would have been really crazy trying to figure out what happens next if the three-judge panel had got in their way. And fortunately, the U.S. Supreme Court blocked it saying a couple of things. One is they hadn't shown enough evidence of any race-based decisions.

And two, they were, a federal court was now interfering with state elections at a very late, very late in the game. And so they blocked that, that block. And so now we can go forward, at least for 2026, we can go forward with these maps. And hopefully we'll resolve this over the next year. And we'll be able to keep the maps for at least the next, you know, two elections. That's great news, huge news, especially after the news out of California. So it was basically a wash, if you look at it that way. I just have to ask, are there any remaining legal challenges the Dems can mount to block this, at least for 2026?

Well, the good thing is we went to the highest court, and it was our request. There's nowhere for them to go on this appeal. They can fight the maps in future elections, 2020 and 230, which I expect they will. But I feel pretty confident we're going to win in the long run. It's just we have to go through the process of actually having the actual case. on the merits. And that's just for the future to deal with. But for now, these maps should be set for the 2006 elections because our primary is March 3rd and early voting starts February 17. So if we had been thrown off and had to open filing back up and you used the old maps, it would have been

delayed for months and months and months. Wow. So maybe just help. So there's this issue of precedent. I know this particular case was not about, you know, racial gerrymandering. that we've heard so much about. Explain how significant this win is, I think, politically, but also legally. And are there, is there an effort maybe in the future to set legal precedent that we can't have these racially gerrymandered maps? Yeah, I mean, legally it's important because we were able to establish this as political. I mean, we have Democratic and politically important because all these Democratic states

have been doing this for, you know, years and years and years. I think the entire New England state delegation is all Democrat. They've gerrymandered. They've done it. They've gotten away with it. It's been accepted. The Republican states have not done that. We're finally stepping up to the plate and getting it done.

Our legislature did a great job in putting these maps forward. And our entire state leadership team was behind it, including the governor. And so I think if we're going to have a fair playing field, we in Republican states, we need to be able to do exactly with the Democrats. done. And that's exactly what happened in Texas. And hopefully Indiana and Missouri and other states can follow. If we don't, we're playing on a very unfavorable playing field with the Democrats gerrymander based on political considerations. And we just stay on the sidelines and let them win the house. Yeah. I mean, I think I speak for all this audience where we're just super grateful for your

dogged pursuit of this. Mr. Attorney General, you have done a fantastic job pursuing this and being dog but but there is this memory i had as soon as i saw this this uh this news report last night about these texas democrats who fled the state when this whole process was unfolding could you just remind us uh you know has any have any of them been held accountable how did that resolve itself or is it not resolved it's still unresolved we're still in believe that just takes time but we we went after them first of all we went after bed o'orke who was funding the whole thing through a private charity. And so we started investigating him. We were able to get an injunction to stop him from paying because he was funding at all. He was paying for their fines.

There was a daily fine. He was paying for their hotel rooms. He was paying for their meals and their transportation. We got an injunction. As soon as we got an injunction to stop him from paying out of this charity, then they came back. So it was, I think, important to stop the funding. Now we're dealing with the consequences of whether these legislators are going to be punished. under state law for abdicating their responsibility. We're trying to get some of them removed for leaving the state when they were supposed to be in the state voting. That's still up to the courts. We're going to continue to pursue that until it's over.

Good. I'm glad to hear that because I think we need to ensure accountability when people are being lawless in all cases. So switching over to politics a little bit. And by the way, your website, you're running for Senate in the state of Texas, Ken Paxton.com, I believe. I got that right, pretty easy one, Ken Paxson.com. And, you know, so there's political questions. And this may, this is not necessarily relevant for your statewide race, but is there any concern in the state of Texas that these new maps are going to be, I guess, maybe too tightly drawn

that if we see a pullback of Hispanic support in future races, that we might be actually jeopardizing some of these, these gains? Yeah, you never know. I mean, the future is always unknown, right? So we don't know with certainty how elections are going to turn out. We certainly have to continue to send our message to not just Hispanics, but all voters, that the type of Republican politics of low taxes, border control, protecting the border, giving opportunity for everyone to do well in Texas by creating an opportunity instead of taxation and regulation

and allowing small business owners to create jobs, that that message will continue to resonate with our voters. It has in the past, people have fleed other Democratic states, including California, New York, Illinois. Name the Democratic state that people aren't leaving to come to Republican states. So people are voting with their feet. I envision that helping Republican states, we're going to grow both wealth and with population. And in the end, I think it's going to benefit our voting base. And we're going to become stronger, not weaker. Yeah, I actually, you know, something Charlie talked a lot about was how this move to the sunbell. is changing the electoral math of the United States.

And Blake knows this well because he was the one that did the research when we went to Winter Take All, Nebraska, because we were seeing the math. This is only going to continue on as new censuses are done. And frankly, it's unrelated, but Blake would probably agree. We should redo the census. The 2020 census was botched. I think states like Texas would pick up additional seats. What's your message, sir, to the states like Indiana.

right now we have a rally going on turning point action at the state house rotunda pushing those senators to to pursue this redistricting fight what's your message to them you've you've just had a huge legal win that's going to benefit the entire country what's your message to these states considering doing the same i say get in the water it's warm we just we just forged the trail for everyone else so we know what the results will be if they do it the right way and they do it on political considerations they're going to win and they want to haven't have the controversy that we had. It's already been settled by the U.S. Supreme Court. So I would encourage them to go forward. We need to make this a fair process as fair as we can, given that the Democratic states have

already gone down this path, and California is trying to add to that. So we might as well play the same game. If we don't play the same game they're playing, we are going to lose. And so it's a simple choice. Do you want to win or lose? You win just by doing our job of redrawing some of these maps so that we have a chance to have fairness in this country. Yeah, I mean, that's so right. So well said. So well said, we either win or we lose. It really is on this sort of thing, it's that simple, especially because California has already acted. That's what really grates on me about so much of this debate is some people are mad that President Trump chose to fight this battle, but the left embraced fighting that battle. They

have redrawn their lines in California with their rushed ballot measure there. So at this point, You have just decided, if you were sitting out this fight, you have just decided, nope, I want to sit out. I want to let us lose. I want to let us get run over. And that's frankly, not just politically stupid. I would say it's morally indefensible. Yeah. I agree.

And listen, you've got a big race ahead of you. Give us the state of your Senate race. How are things looking? And how can people support you? Look, I get in April the 8th. We've been up in the polls ever since I got in. We're running against an incumbent. who's been in office since I was in college and I'm about to turn 63. And when I go around the state and ask,

what is he accomplished? No one has an answer, not one single accomplishment that's good. We certainly have him fighting Donald Trump on the border wall, constantly voting for amnesty, spending his time not supporting President Trump running for re-election or in 2016. And then, of course, siding with Joe Biden on a Second Amendment restriction. So this is not a Republican that should be reelected in Texas. And so we just need help, financially. Ken Paxson.com, they have huge fundraising advantages. We're out raising them in Texas, but, you know, the Washington money isn't limited like it is for challengers. We're limited to $7,000 per person, $14,000 a couple. They have special committees that can allow them to leverage

literally hundreds of thousands of dollars more. So we need all the help we can get from grassroots orders. Well, congratulations, Mr. Attorney General, on the huge Supreme Court win. This will ripple across the nation and it couldn't have come at a better time. We've got this rally in Indiana. We hope that they will find their courage. And as you said, we hope they jump in. The water is warm. Thank you so much for making the time. Hey, have a great Christmas season and we'll talk to you soon. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Connection, open dialogue. These are the things that build communities. Charlie, Kirk, and TikTok share in that knowledge. That's why TikTok has built a space where that kind of listening actually happens people don't just post they respond they build on each other's ideas

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play these two clips. They're just too good. This is Jake Tapper calling the suspected pipe bomber a white man, 374. Ryan Cole Jr., a 30-year-old white man from the D.C. suburbs is charged with transporting an explosive device in interstate commerce and with malicious destruction.

Well, you see, whiteness, you become white by becoming a pipe bomber, basically. I think that's CNN's point. Was it because he had glasses on? Yeah. This is ridiculous. Definitionally, if he's, if he's, if he's, If he's doing, if he's doing bombings at CNN, he's got to be a white guy. Even if he's black, he has, he has, he's been infected with some form of whiteness is probably what Jake Tapper meant, uh, because, you know, he's a criminal because then, you know, CNN, there's no other option. There's no other option here.

Uh, I, I think it's because he's in a, I don't want, I don't want to say, I'm going to get myself in trouble. Um, I just, it's humorous to me how badly these people want to want to want this man to be white. He just like, Freudian slip. He couldn't help it. Blake, this is one of the most rich videos, clips that you oversee in the history of media, 387. But I got to tell you, it kind of makes me looking at this crowd doing a victory lap when all the senior FBI officials across all key divisions have been fired for political purposes, when in some field offices up to 45 percent of the FBI officers who are doing. things like counter-tespionage and cyber have been assigned to do immigration cases. It's a little rich that they're saying they're America's safer.

How much earlier could we have caught this guy if resources hadn't been diverted? It's a little rich, Blake. They could have caught him right away if they hadn't done anything at the FBI. We would have caught him last February if they hadn't shaken up the FBI upon taking over. Huge lack of awareness.

They had literally a full four-year term to find him and they got nowhere with it. And then even in, you know, the New York Times reporting, it says the way they were actually able to get it is they, you know, they shook up the case. They relooked at old leads. They actually kind of did a whole new push on the case to try to solve it. And they were able to do so. Imagine that.

Yeah. Well, and so that's the key here. So we, and maybe you, I'll throw it to you, Blake, what do we know about this guy? It turns out he's a black guy. Yesterday we're hearing reports that he was connected to anarchist movements. There was some reporting, maybe Antifa. What do we know today? So we don't know too much yet.

What is being reported is that he has told authorities or it's been reported that he's told authorities that he was upset about the 2020 elections. So he may have believed there was sort of a, you know, a conspiracy to take it away from President Trump. Now, if he was leaving pipe bombs at the RNC, he clearly is not blaming only Democrats for this. He may have had a very broad vision of who was to blame for his grievance. But also, if this is just him telling it to authorities now, who knows? It could be, you might already have the case where he would want this to be his statement because he wants to link the case to what else happened in D.C. that day,

Because what has already been brought up is President Trump's J6 pardon was quite broad. It basically just said he is issuing a full pardon for everyone linked to the events around the Capitol on January 6th. So it's inevitable. His defense is going to say he's covered by that pardon. This case needs to be dropped immediately. And so it would be useful for him to construct a motive that links to that. We also have some funny information. Just real quick, real quick, I just want to make a note on that image that's up on your screen right now.

That's actually his father. I think this is Daily Wire article. They've updated it since with a new image of him. So I just want to be editorially clear. That was the original image, but they've updated it. The image there is actually his father. Yeah, the original, the other image is the one you saw during the Tapper clip earlier. But what's also very funny is just because we have a very small world.

So this is reported by the Daily Wire that this alleged bomber's family had sued the Trump Department of Homeland Security over illegal immigration related things. They basically, they asked the Biden DOJ to address to address alleged racism against them

and the best part is to do this as you saw in that photo of his father the other man there was attorney Benjamin Crump who's practically

this forest gump of every racial grievance story in America over the past decade. He was Trayvon Martin's

family attorney. He was involved in a lot of BLM stuff. He showed up in the George Floyd extravig. He's just been this guy who appears in every one of these cases. And so naturally he was

already involved with the family of the alleged pipe bomber. It's just, it's very, it's just, it just shows, you know, Ben Crump calling the DOJ to open an investigation of the actions of John Zimmerman. I mean, this is, you know, Ben Crump is a piece of work. They ran a bail bonds company helping, you know, people that were detained by ICE, this suspect in his father. Pretty wild twist to that story i like if you would have given me a thousand bucks to bet on which direction that was going to go or or to make up what the suspect would look like sound like be involved with this would not have been on my bingo card that that is a complete surprise for more on many of these stories and news you can trust go to charley kirk dot com