The Charlie Kirk Show - Sunday: "Women Will Follow Where Men Lead" — Charlie on the Man Rampant Podcast

Episode Date: February 1, 2026

Last spring, Charlie appeared on Doug Wilson's Man Rampant podcast to talk about the intersection of Christianity and masculinity. Charlie tells the story of his ideological evolution and how he moved past a focus on pure economics to fight hard on tough cultural issues, and how he believes the ongoing evolution of young men will eventually transform the rest of society in its wake. It is one of Charlie's fullest articulations of his beliefs and the core objectives of his life's work. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com! Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

My name is Charlie Kirk. I run the largest pro-American student organization in the country fighting for the future of our republic. My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth. If the most important thing for you is just feeling good, you're going to end up miserable. But if the most important thing is doing good, you will end up purposeful. College is a scam, everybody. You've got to stop sending your kids to college. You should get married as young as possible and have as many kids as possible. Go start a turning point USA college chapter. Go start a turning point you would say high school chapter.

Go find out how your church can get involved. Sign up and become an activist. I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade. Most important decision I ever made in my life and I encourage you to do the same. Here I am. Lord, use me. Buckle up, everybody. Here we go.

The Charlie Kirk Show is proudly sponsored by Preserve Gold, the leading gold and silver experts and the only precious metals company I recommend to my family, friends, and viewers. Welcome to Man Rampett. It's wonderful to have this episode with Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk is the CEO and founder of Turning Point USA and Chief Cook and Bottlewasher there. That's right.

That's right. Let's start with that. How did you become conservative? Did you have a conversion experience to conservatism on the Damascus Road? Or did you grow up into it organically? It started, I was a Christian first. I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade. I grew up in the suburbs of Chicago, Illinois.

As a side note, fun thing about being from Illinois is we have term limits in Illinois, a little different than most states. It's one term in office, one term in jail for our politicians. And so, but no, in fifth grade, I made the most important decision in my life. I made Jesus Christ, the chairman of the board of my life and welcomed them into my life. And every decision from there was always instructed by my faith. I was always a conservative in the sense where I respected history. I thought that liberal ideas would always go too far.

Mind you, I was young. I was fifth, sixth, seventh grade. But as I grew when I started to study more, I grew very passionate about these ideas. So when I was in high school, Obama really kind of came onto the scene from Chicago. That was a very big deal to kind of be, to see Chicago's own Obama kind of rise to fame and rise to stardom. I was a contrarian voice to that throughout high school. And, you know, graduate at high school. I was going to go to West Point and didn't get in.

I convinced my parents to let me take a gap year. It's been 13 gap years. And the only campuses I visit are like Washington State University down the street. That's why I'm dressed down, by the way, everybody. I did, I just did three and a half hours at Washington State. Literally, we just ended like 20 minutes ago. So excuse my casual dress. And simply put, I visit college campuses so you don't have to.

Very good. So how did the turning point start? Really, it started at first diagnosing a problem. So as a senior in high school leading into my first year at Turning Point USA, I saw that young people were going very much in a liberal direction, nothing new, but so dramatically that there was not a counter opinion or a counterpoint ever presented. And I had this crazy idea that conservatism can be spread and communicated in a much more appealing way than it otherwise has been, especially on college.

campuses. And I would go to campuses in 2013, 14, 15 with no money, no connections, no idea what I was doing with literally just a card table, just arguing with kids. No film crew, just like arguing with kids. And I would get like one kid, you know, that I would find a conservative. We'd start a turning point group from that. So it's like pure grassroots, right? I mean, it wasn't as if I was selected for this or there was some committee that thought to be a good idea. It was gritty. It was very hard to convince people of this. I'm an entrepreneur. And thanks to the Lord's blessing and his providence and his grace, we started to see it grow and we started to see it start to gain some traction. Met then businessman Donald Trump in 2016.

We became friends, got to know his son. Obviously, he won in 2017. We started to continue to grow as these campuses became more and more Marxist secular islands of totalitarianism, quite honestly. and, you know, Attorney Point USA was kind of standing against it. And then this last two years was just God's really his greatest blessing to us. I believe we stepped up for the moment. Really, there were very few people that were willing to stand by President Trump when all that was happening, the indictments and all kind of the lawfare around him, especially no one thought that young people could move in President Trump's direction.

That was incredibly contrarian. And so we first kind of stepped up to bat just out of loyalty. And I said, look, the president's been a friend. He's had our back. He's been treated terribly. We're going to try to organize young people from because that's what we do. And we started to see something. And I know you want to talk about this throughout the discussion.

About a year and a half ago, two years ago, where all of a sudden the crowds on campuses weren't just growing. They were more diverse. And they were very masculine of guys that were otherwise not playing. politically affiliated at all. We started to see this young male undercurrent. They were thirsting and they were hungering for a different cultural, political, and eventually theological and spiritual perspective. And yeah, look, long story short, glory be to God. We did 55 campus stops myself personally over the span of 14 months. We reached over 3 billion people on social media.

Maybe you've seen the videos on TikTok, Instagram, X, and YouTube. Polling, independent, and liberal polling shows that our organization was the most consequential in moving young people's opinion and of every demographic group, baby boomers actually went three points more in Kamala Harris's direction, younger voters over 20 points

in Donald Trump's direction in November and praise God that we were able to play a small role getting them back in the White House. So your approach from right now to high school on, right? Were you self-consciously building an organization or were you just do you and your card table. Yeah, it was card table. I mean, I had to learn kind of what credit

and debit was. I had to learn how to write a check. I mean, and I tell this to young entrepreneurs all the time, that it's okay if you don't even know what you're doing. In fact, it's actually better if you don't know what you're doing because then there's nothing to unlearn. And that's really important, by the way. And college teaches you all this rubbish and this nonsense that you have to deprogram. And so I had this passion, and I had not just a passion. I tell this to young people all the time, don't just follow your passion. follow your passion and your skill. So those two things.

So you have to find something you're good at that you enjoy doing. Because if you just follow your passion, you can end up doing something you're honestly not very good at. And by the way, the Bible tells us, do not follow your heart. Bad idea. Do not follow your heart.

Do not do that. Multiple warnings. Do not do that. And so as an entrepreneur, I started to learn, oh, this is what a 501C3 organization is. This is what a 501C4 organization is. I can have employees.

That's amazing. I mean, you start to learn this stuff. And I have a lot of energy. I always try to find problems and solve them. And God just put so many people in our life at the right time where they were ultra-generous, where they didn't have to be. And they poured into us where it would have just defied human reason. So there's several aspects to this.

You obviously believe in hard work, visiting all the campuses. You can't just dial it in, right? You've got to go. You've got to talk to people, engage with people. Out of obedience, yeah. So there's that aspect of it. Also, tell me about turning points ground game. Is that something you're committed to knocking on doors, talking to people?

What's your philosophy of the ground game? Yeah, and so especially in, I live in Arizona. I love Arizona. It's a great state. If you ever there, come on by our headquarters. We'd love to have you. We were really bothered by what happened in the 2020 election that Donald Trump didn't get the electoral votes from Arizona. So we said, hey, can we do the ground game?

better. So we hired well over a thousand full-time people on the ground in Arizona to do what we call ballot chasing, which is the grassroots grittiness, hustle work of politics. And it ended up working. Donald Trump won Arizona by nearly 200,000 votes. We moved younger voters, voters, voters, voters, voters, voters, voters, voters, voters, and through-line of great direction. But this just wasn't young voters. It was also knocking on doors and chasing ballots of unaffiliated low-propensity voters, well, those electricians, carpenters, firefighters, police officers. And this is going to be a through line of our conversation. We did something that the media thought was insane. In fact, if you ever have, if you ever have,

you know, spare time, you could look at all the articles attacking Turning Point about a year ago making fun of our strategy. You know what our strategy was? We're going to win by finding millions of young men that have never voted before. And the media said, that's insane. Roe versus Wade was just repealed. It's the year of the woman. Women are going to rise up in big numbers. We're like, eh, actually, we think men are going to shock the world. And how did I know that? It's because I don't just view things through looking at data and looking at charts. That's helpful. I actually go to college campuses and talk to thousands of people and I can see how they're processing information. I can see as I'm dialoguing. And I started to realize...

See who shows up. See who shows up and see why they're showing up and what they're saying and how they're communicating. And what we, what I realize very quickly, we were a little out of the curve is my goodness, there is a course correction of young men that want to resist and reject the hyperfeminine, dare I say, toxicly feminine culture that has taken over American society. Go ahead and say that. No, I, yes, that toxicly feminine. And no, this is that, you're that kind of pastor, I forgot. Got to remind myself. And so we, we seized on that in the best possible way and understand, of course, at its core is a spiritual problem, and spiritual problems manifest themselves into cultural problems that then become

political problems. So it's kind of a three-pronged issue, but of course, at the core, it's spiritual. And so my critics say, oh, Charlie, you know, politics, waste of time, you should only talk about the gospel. But the gospel is the most important thing. But you know how many people we have led to Christ by first talking politics? Because the law is a school teacher to Christ, as it says in Galatians 3, the law can show you towards Christ. It's a guardian of Christ's message. And I see this happen every day on campuses. And so there's something very profound happening. It's actually accelerating. It's not slowing down. Young men are becoming more and more conservative. They're more and more hungry and thirsty to get involved in the local church. We could talk about

young women because they present an opportunity. Let me put that mildly. But I do believe women will follow if men lead. Okay. So in this, when you go out to these campuses, you said earlier that conservatives were not presented. You're part of you motivation was that conservatives were not presenting the message in a way that was attractive or compelling, right? But your style is confrontational, right? Is there something, and mainstream or conservative Inc. believes in PR, believes in winsomeness, which translates into giving away the store, right? How can you, how do you combine what's clearly an effective and winsome strategy that is simultaneously confrontational.

Yeah. How do you do that? It's a great question. Look, I fail at this all the time. I try to be better at it than not, which is how do I have love and truth on a college campus, have an open mic for kids that need to hear it? And the honest truth is I try to do, as Jesus did in the public square, which is to show mercy where appropriate, but also have uncompromising truth standards.

and so the old way of doing things on campuses, and this is where it's so wrong, and I can't believe, for a short period of time, I used to believe it, and then I dismissed it, which is that, okay, kids are liberal, therefore we have to go present a more liberal message to them and water down our beliefs. In reality, what they enjoy more than anything else

is, like, the most provocative truth claim that you could say is, like, men can't give birth, like, whoa, you can get 2,000 people into an auditorium for saying that, right? What I'm getting at is that I'll give you an issue that I am an unapologetic advocate of despite the fact that I'm in the political minority, which is to fight for the unborn. I am resolutely pro-life in every possible circumstance, and that's not popular. Right. But the crowds we draw around that is amazing.

And so I think to myself, I don't know if I would actually get as much attention if I was just kind of like an uncompromising squish. but like, well, I think it's just a woman's, you know, my body, my choice. That's actually not that interesting because they can hear that from their local professor. What all of a sudden gets their attention, like, did he just say that there should be no exceptions for abortion? Tell me more. Step up to the mic. Tell me why you're wrong. And then all of a sudden we can use the Socratic method to ask questions.

When does life begin? What is the process of human development? By what moral standard are you appealing to? What is good? What is evil? You know, what is right? Why is it bodily autonomy? What is the size level of development, environment, and degree dependency of a baby matter of a matter of a

matter of its moral worth. I've never heard this before. And I don't want to try to brag too much on what we've kind of stumbled into here, but I think this is the direction that online content and young people are demanding. Less kind of just like being in a studio, reading a

teleprompter, and get out in the streets, find the best ideas, let them kind of confront each other, and let anybody say anything they want at any time. And it's been amazing success, praise the Lord. C.S. Lewis observed somewhere. I forget where, that when unbelievers or atheists become Christians,

they almost never become liberal Christians. Right. That's true. They think something like, if I'm going to do something crazy, I'm going to go to the deep end. I'm going to go to Christians, the kind of Christianity where they actually believe things. And Eugene Genovese, who was a Marxist writer, who became, a Christian later, said that during this atheist days,

he said, whenever I was in the presence of a liberal Christian, I always had that deep assured feeling that I was in the presence of a fellow unbeliever. So if I'm going to ditch my unbelief, why would I move to a murky form of it? If I'm going to be a Christian, I want to be a Christian Christian. And you've seen that play out, like the stark claims of Christ.

Oh, absolutely. And I just, we are, we are seeing more interest for the gospel, more interest for spiritual things. Because think about the world that so many of these kids at University of Idaho or Washington State were raised into just the last four years. Every secular institution failed them and some religious, by the way, but every major power center has lied to them about almost everything that's involved them. From COVID to the vaccine to mask mandates, to the economy, to speech, to gender. norms to sexuality. So you have the most depressed suicidal alcohol addicted generation history that is also the most secular. Something here doesn't necessarily fit. So all of a sudden there's this group of us, and I include you in this pastor, and I'm a big admirer of yours, that is speaking

truth all of a sudden into this broken culture. And they're like, I've never heard that. That makes sense. Because nonstop, they get this nonsense on campus. And you have to wonder, like, why do they fight so hard. There were tons of protests today, but there were even more supporters. Understand, we had nearly 3,000 kids there today at Washington State University. Don't believe me. It was anyone there, by the way? Did anyone, you double-dippers? We got super fans. But it was a big crowd. Wouldn't you agree, guys? It was really big. And so, no, that's, that's funny. There were protesters there the whole time. Fine. Why are they so threatened by me coming up there for three hours? Open mic. So let me get this straight.

Washington State University gets them for four years. I might get some of them for three hours. Because they know that I, in three hours, can undo the damage of four years of garbage with one sentence, one question, one truth claim. And that's why they have to try so hard to not let me speak. Right. They are threatened by not just truth claims,

but by truth claims that are true. Of course, yes. Which, big advantage. Claims of truth, I should say, yeah. Yeah, so is abortion the most volatile topic? What is the... I would say, yeah, and this is also where I differentiate from the old way of reaching out to young people.

And I fell victim to this for a very short period of time and I snapped out of it, which is only talk about economics. Don't talk about the cultural stuff. They actually want to hear about the cultural stuff. No one is telling these people to save them. for marriage. No one is rejecting the premise that you shouldn't actually, like, abortion is not like a normal thing. And I say, and it pains me to say this, but some of these kids on these campuses, they think like getting abortion is like getting a haircut. It's not a joke. There is

zero teaching of the severity and the complexity and the inhumanity and the butchery of what goes into this action. And it's not like, they're like, oh yeah, it's no different than like a cosmetic plastic surgery. Right. And so abortion is probably the most frequent topic I get, but the one where there is like a pathological, like they get very upset is transgenderism. And that's, I have, I'm deeply uncompromising on that one as well, where I believe God created man and God created women and period, that's it. And the story that if you have gender dysphoria, it's a brain problem, not a body problem. We should not have these treatments for anybody, period, especially not minors. And I think personally, personally, the medical

establishment has not earned our trust to have any treatment for anybody at any age for this, period. Whether you're 25 or whether you're 30, I think there should be a full suspension of, quote-unquote, gender-affirming care for people in this country. So all that to say, transgenderism gets them very worked up. And then almost inevitably, they will then come, because I will say things like, it's a blessing to be here. God bless you, you know. So eventually, they're like, wait a second. Are you like one of those Christians? And then, yeah, which by the way, I was telling pastor here, I think I win the award for the greatest podcast contrast and then a 24-hour period. You guys ready for this?

So tonight, I'm in Moscow, Idaho with Pastor Douglas Wilson. Last night, I was in Los Angeles doing two hours with Bill Marr. Wow, and I kid you not, it was probably the hardest podcast I've ever done, not just because he is wickedly smart. Like, he is very smart objectively. I was impressed by his his capacity to understand things from a very, very militantly atheist perspective. He was smoking weed the entire time, and I don't like, I don't like fragrances, okay, let alone cigarette smoke or vaping. So I've never smoking marijuana, but now I guess I can might say I, like, secondhand smoke marijuana. So here I am, like, he's, we're trying to debate the Council of Nicaea, and I'm like, I kind of feel kind of funny right now.

And so, excuse me while I abstain tonight, Pastor. I'm like, I've had enough. But anyway, I'm saying it's the greatest contrast one could ever imagine, right? From Bill Maher to Douglas Wilson. That's really something. But all that to say, the Bill Maher discussion or the campus discussion is all about, like, whoa, it gets to spiritual matters. And again, what happens politically is just a manifestation of a spiritual, and we must be unafraid to engage in spiritual. So I'd like to get to that point in a minute.

but just a quick demographic question. When you get pushback on transgenderism, does most of it come from guys or girls? Girls. Yeah. That's a great question. It's 90% women. Yeah.

Which is like, I'm sorry to interrupt. There should not make any sense because they're actually the greatest victims of it. Right. And then, but when you look at the transgender world, someone who's grounded in the Christian worldview and what the Bible teaches about human sexuality and humanity, these people are broken puppies.

They're just, they've been lied to and starved for spiritual truth, and they've sort of come to the end of the road. And I think there's a maternal instinct that kicks in where the women feel like to oppose transgenderism is like kicking puppies. and you need to feel sorry for them. I think it's that we've been here in Moscow, we've been talking about the toxic empathy or untethered empathy.

And I think that that's what this is. The women have been trained to be empathetic, no judgment. You cannot make judgments because that is phariseical or legalistic or, you know, harsh, critical. And so they just don't want to do it. And the women have bought into that

propaganda more heavily than the men have. I've never heard anyone say that. That's super smart. And I think that's right. I would add to that, I would add to that, women are norm enforcers. They always have been. Women look at what the consensus of the times are, and they're very good at enforcing whatever the norm is. By the way, when Christianity was the dominant view of America, it was women that were enforcing that. So they were, the women were the ones that were the backbone of American Christianity, especially on the hyper-local rule level all throughout the country. And that deserves to be credited.

Women generally are far more agreeable than they are disagreeable. And when it comes to transgenderism, there is high social cost, which women do not like risking social capital as it is, for opposing transgenderism. It's a very, very high social cost. You get isolated, you could not be part of the tribe. women are far less likely to not want to be part of a community than men, just as a as a fact. I think the maternal instinct is right. In addition, though, transgenderism is the logical endpoint of feminism. If you understand feminism, feminism is this idea of no distinctions between

male and female sexuality. The first claim of Gloria Steinman in the feminine mystique is essentially that like men can do everything, women can do everything that men do, and I need to be liberated from this oppression of being a homemaker, right? I must be liberated above this. And so fundamentally, transgenderism is the climax of that. After 50 years, it's like, okay, you say everyone's the same, then fine. Men can become women and women can become men because there's nothing actually intuitively or instinctively different between the sexes.

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And because evangelical worship in North America is anemic and compromised and, it's like a room full of cotton candy. It's like there's not much weight to it, not much gravitas. And so that kind of worship has led to the corruptions and the culture that we see. So worship is upstream from culture. Culture is upstream from politics. And you can't go down to Congress and say, vote for this or do that or do the other thing.

When the juggernaut of a continent full, of anemic worship and compromised, corrupted culture, is behind this measure, whatever it is, pushing. Would you agree with that? Yes, I mean, as deep as you want, I mean, what we worship in the West are the pagan gods of old that have just largely been repurposed. And, I mean, I know you do a great job of this

because I read your book, Christendom, and I also, I love, I am a Canon plus subscriber as well, which is honoring the Sabbath. It's actually my next book all about the Sabbath. I think it's the most forgotten commandment by the Western Christianity by far. And it is designed primarily for worship. And so you think about it,

we've basically eliminated honoring the Sabbath. It says very clearly, for six days you shall work and for the seventh day you shall rest, very clearly, that seventh day is designed for worshiping God who created the heavens in the earth. Bear sheet. It literally is for that,

purpose. Right. And we are up a creek when we go to talk to unbelievers about their violations of this commandment or that command. Bingo. Because they say, well, what about you guys? It's like, yeah, you guys are working on Sunday or you're working on whatever day, I mean, you consider it be the seventh day. I'm not legalistic about that at all. I will say, though, that most, if you can't pass the Sabbath test, you are in violation of the Sabbath. It's very simple. If I walk into your home on the Sabbath, can I tell? Or does it look like every other day? Holy means separate in Hebrew.

And we're supposed to keep the Sabbath day holy. And if the Sabbath is not different than the other six days, then you are violating the Sabbath. My dad was born in 1927. He said when he was a boy in Nebraska on the Lord's Day, on the first day of the week, the stores would, like the farmer's, would rotate which pharmacies stayed open.

Yep. And the grocery stores would, the town would shut down, hardware store would be closed, clothing store would be closed, the necessity stores, pharmacy, grocery store, that sort of thing, they would rotate who stayed open. And that was just part of the culture. When I was in the Navy in the 1970s,

I was stationed in Norfolk, Virginia, and there was a referendum in Virginia in the 70s, trying to get rid of the Sabbath laws. The blue laws. Which were still on the books and still enforced in the 1970s. And we've gone from, Jesus said that man was not made for the Sabbath. The Sabbath was made for man. And we have bought into this frenetic 24-7 pace where you need amphetamins to keep going after a while.

Yeah. And so a couple of, again, I can literally talk. for an hour on the Sabbath. It's a passionate topic of mine, or the Shabbat, if you prefer. Look, the Hebrew word for work is Malacca, which is a very specific word. You are only supposed to do that for six days. The only difference between Deuteronomy and Exodus, where they repeat the Ten Commandments is the Sabbath. When Moses repeats the Ten Commandments in the Book of Deuteronomy, he says, of course, for six days you shall work, for the seventh day you shall rest. And then he says, for you are no longer slaves in Egypt. Only slaves work seven days.

I know a lot of rich slaves. I know a lot of people that are slaves to their work or slaves to their stuff. In fact, the Romans used to make fun of the Jews. They're like, why would they take a day off? Why would they rest? Like, who are these people? Well, they're still around, and a lot of Romans are not, right? Pretty good preservation tool.

But look, I will just also say, in a modern culture, truly honoring the Sabbath, how I I turn off my phone completely for 36 hours. I do the traditional Jewish Sabbath. It's my own liking, whatever, from Friday night to Sunday morning. And I could tell you it's really hard. And you have to almost fight your flesh to do it to not want to return an email, to not want to return a text message. And because in some ways, you're worshipping with your time.

You're saying that I'm sanctifying the space. It is a standing appointment with our creator saying that you matter so much, I'm going to give one seventh of my week to you. in glory and worship. So I completely agree with that. And the modern church, unfortunately, does not even worship the God that you and I would consider to be, you know, the God of the heavens and the earth. It's a broken, fragmented American Christian church. How do you answer the charge that you have been co-opted by a politician, the politician Trump, or the Republican Party

or do you go around making Republicans happy? Look, I... Yeah, right. No. I oppose a lot of Republicans. For example, I've spoken out against both of your U.S. senators in the state, of which I would like to see primaries happen.

So no, I do not operate just to try to make Republicans happy. You guys deserve better senators. Let me tell you right now, you guys deserve better senators. The fact that there's not outspread applause because you guys are like, oh, good. So no one can criticize me just to kind of carry the water of the Republican Party, okay?

But I can tell you right now you have two war-mongering senators here in this state that sent a lot of money to Ukraine and didn't do anything to try to close the southern border when Biden was present. Anyway, besides that, they're great people. Other than that, how is the play? Yeah, exactly. So the charge, I just needed to say that. But look, Jesus is always number one in my life. That's very important.

I will bring what I know to be true into the point. political domain. And I believe we as Christians are called to be counselors to the king, you know, to be counselor to the politician, as Daniel was, or Mordecai, that if I can influence for moral and righteous or good purposes, I mean, it was pretty awesome when I was able to, in the early days of this administration, advocate to President Trump, hey, I really think you should pardon all these pro-lifers that are in jail right now for the FACE Act. That was awesome. Now, I don't deserve credit, to be perfectly clear. I don't deserve credit for that,

but it was really confirming that all that advocacy gave me proximity to a man with a pen that was able to get all these amazing pro-life warriors out of prison. It was pretty awesome when J.D. asked me, he's like, hey, should I speak at the March for Life? I said, absolutely. So just little things like that where I can use the proximity that the Lord has given me

to try to push for things that I believe are pleasing to the Lord. Little things that are actually enormous things. No, of course. But by little, I mean that they add up, meaning that they are daily decisions that need to be made. Another one where, again, I don't deserve credit, but I was pushing. I said, guys, you know, Stephen Miller and all,

again, they deserve the credit. They did it. But I was a voice. We need an executive order prohibiting gender affirming care for minors. We need an executive order saying only men in female sports. And so I, amongst many other great voices, are trying to be that counselor to the king, counselor to the president that I believe is a biblical role. Right. So back, if we rewind in the

history of North American conservatism, William Buckley, when he was just out of Yale, wrote God and Man at Yale and sort of wound up launching the modern conservative resurgence that culminated in the election of Reagan. Right. Okay. Part of that project was the fusionist project of of Meyer, of Hawks, you know, anti- Libertarianism, neoconservatism, yeah. So you had like three major strands bundled

up together in this fusionist project. The Hawks wanted to defeat Russia and the Cold, Soviet Union, in the Cold War, and the culture warriors wanted, were concerned about the morality, and then the free market guys wanted less

regulations and all of that. I'm sure. sure you're up against some of the similar currents. If you, if you looked at Turning Point, what kind of, it's obviously a conservative activist organization. Is it one of those strands or another one? Or is it a neo-fusionist project? Or is it more eclectic than that? It's, it's probably eclectic because, look, we're a membership organization and then a lot of what turning point of spouses are my belief. So I'll tell you what I believe and then it kind of goes downstream from there, which is like, look, I'm first and foremost a Christian, and I need to just

repeat that, right? I believe that we want a strong country. I'm resolutely America first. I think that it is against our own best interests to continue to engage in these neo-imperalist wars, so I'm not a neo-conservative at all. I think that our own borders matter a lot more than the borders of a foreign country. And I think it's a long past time that our leaders would start to prioritize the well-being of our own citizens, not those of foreign nations. Not that crazy of a concept, right? So you can call that a nationalist, you can call that a conservative or whatever. Where I am involved in a very serious and spirited battle, which goes to my prior comment about your senators, is that I think neoconservatism has no place in the Republican Party. And that's where a lot of people get upset. So what is

neoconservatism. That's not even hawkish stuff. Neoconservatism is beyond that. Neoconservatism is a form of Marxism. Literally, it's a branch of Trotskyism, which is to believe that America exists primarily as a global empire to go and try and tell other countries what to do and how to do it. We're going to invade the world, and then we will invite the world. That America is a colony and will be a series of colonies. We reject this. because neoconservatism prioritizes GDP over God. Neoconservatism prioritizes mass migration over the well-being of native-born Americans. Neoconservatism will say that by all means necessary we must use force and around every corner, there's a dragon waiting to destroy us.

We need to have war with Russia, war with Iran, we need to be sable rattling around every corner. And I ask people, has that worked the last 20 years? George W. Bush is a perfect example of a neo-conservative, okay? That is like he's basically him and Liz Cheney and Dick Cheney is like central casting. The Iraq war, I think, was a disaster. I think it was a total mistake. It never should have happened. The war in Afghanistan was, I think, prosecuted incorrectly.

Never should have been a long nation building, you know, kind of change the hearts and minds of the people of Afghanistan war. So in that fusionism, I look at those kids on a college campus. I think to myself, they deserve better than leaders that are trying to get them closer to an unnecessary, you know, unnecessary Third World War, while simultaneously not embracing this idea that the American foreign policy project has, at its best of the last 20 years, been overly aggressive,

at its worst, actually sowed the seeds of our own demise. Look at Elon Omar, who we don't like, who's in Congress. How did she come? She's a perfect example of neoconservatism. We get involved in Somalia because of the Somalian Civil War. We invade them. We feel bad, so we bring a bunch of Somalians into our country. because we're told we must have mass migration.

So one is a prerequisite to the other. And so the Republican Party has a lot of different views on big issues, but neoconservatism at its core, where they are trying to stoke conflict where it shouldn't exist, where they care more about foreign nations other than our own. Would you say the DNA of, as you're defining neoconservative, the DNA of it is globalist? Yes, that is a great another term for it.

It's one that looks at the great American empire, gay, G.A.E. That its spheres of influence goes all the way from Ukraine. Like, hold on, timeout, time out. We have very distinct borders. Why don't you start caring about it? Here's the problem in neoconservatism. Neoconservatism is highly obsessed with the enrichment of the capital class and is completely ignoring of the well-being of its own citizens.

You see this best on display when you have homeless people that are vets, that can't get care. You see this on display of mass drug or overdoses, and we have to be lectured that the greatest enemy to America is Vladimir Putin. I'm sorry, that's not the greatest enemy to America. By any means necessary, I don't like Vladimir Putin. I don't think he's good, but a much bigger problem than Vladimir Putin is the American left that is ignored and left people behind or public sector teacher union. So anyway. So here would be a, I think, an important distinction in this. I concur with what you're saying there. Would you make a distinction as I I would between the use of the U.S. military in nation-building exercises, which would be...

Iraq, Afghanistan. Right. As opposed to what President Trump is currently doing to the Houthis. So the Houthis are attacking shipping going through the Red Sea, and we've said, we're not going to try to build anything in Yemen. We're blowing things up until they stop shooting at the ships, right? would you say, yeah, that's an area where I differ with Trump, or do you see a distinction between sort of an aggressive, short, defensive action like that, versus nation-building projects?

I totally see what Trump's doing there. I don't know enough about it to have a strong, I don't know the complexities. I think that we should exercise caution when meddling in other countries' affairs. But I'll just be very honest with you, something that I'm against. I don't think we should bomb Iranian nuclear facilities. I just don't. I think it would be a huge mistake. It's an act of war against a major country. You go to war with Persia. It will bring your country down. The American people did not rise up in major numbers because we want war with Iran. That was never part of the deal. It was never like, hey, America first, comma, we're going to go do a bunch of targeted strikes on the mainland of Iran. So that's just where I would say that that would be a catastrophic mistake. And so, but beyond that, I just want to make sure that we are clear kind of why we believe this. We have so. We have so. so many pressing problems at home and our leaders are internationally obsessed and they are

domestically ignorant and they don't care to know that we have a suicide problem with our nation's young people they don't care to know that we are having a fertility crisis in the west and so again they ignore the problems and they're neoconservative solution every problem is what the religion of neoconservatism beyond invasion is mass migration bring as many people into the country as you possibly can, regardless if they can't assimilate or they can't have cultural cohesion. Because one plays into the other. Why? Because they don't believe in nationality. That's the important point. They are globalist. They'll say, oh, come on, why can't you bring a bunch of people in Somalia? Why can't you bring a bunch of people from Gaza? Why can't you

bring a bunch of people from Syria in? And we know that you cannot bring people from the third world. You become the third world. I'd be willing to bring people in from Gaza if we put them in Martha's Vineyard. And they won't be received there, that's for sure. But no, I just, look, it says very clearly in the scriptures, demand the welfare of the nation that you are in because your welfare is your nation's welfare. Jeremiah 29.7.

And so I think we've far overreached, and I know that as I speak for our nation's young people, I have known, just so you understand my passionate perspective on this, from my earliest memory, we have been a nation at war. one of my earliest memories was 9-11, and we had a no-wind war in Iraq and a no-wind war in Afghanistan, and now we're heavily involved in no-win war with Russia and Ukraine. And I just asked myself, could that $8 trillion have been better spent? Like, what did we get for that?

And I think that philosophy at its core is one that is global, it's not nationalistic. One of the tenets of this electoral revolution that just happened in the 2020 election was, no to endless war. So there's, Trump clearly believes in a strong military, but he also believes that there's bloat, excess, and all kinds of dirty deeds going on in Pentagon contracts. So he,

he's not a pacifist, not a pacifist, but he's not a nation builder either. And so when we say no to endless, war, we're saying no to the globalist enterprise, no to the idea that we are somehow the savior of the world. Correct. So on immigration, there are evangelical leaders who used to have a lot more authority to speak maybe seven or eight years ago than they do now.

The New York Times, when they wanted to talk to an evangelical would call up Russ Moore or David French or someone like that and say, what's the evangelical take on this? And the evangelical elite was also in favor of open borders and very loose immigration policy. And the illustration I've used for this is imagine a Christian couple with a couple of kids of their own, and they take in two foster kids, and they're doing very well with the four, and everybody's thriving and happy. and then one day a short bus from the state shows up with 28 extra foster kids, and they dump off 28 more foster kids. And the father objects, and then one of the evangelical leaders says,

I think that you're not showing an ethic of hospitality here. Christians should love their neighbors. Christians should be open to foster children. And he could say, well, I was open to them, and I was taking good care of the two, which I thought we could do. I was loving my own too. I was loving these foster kids. But if you drop off this 28, I'm not going to be loving anybody.

Right? The 28 are going to lose. The two foster kids are going to lose. My own kids are going to lose. You have just crippled me. You've not been charitable. You've made charity impossible. Yes.

Right? So the issue is not whether someone could legally immigrate from another country. The issue is chaos, right? Yeah. And I would go even a step further, which is that you don't have to have any immigration. I know that sounds like a radical view. You actually don't have to. We have gone through plenty of periods in this country's history where we had almost no immigration

for like the 1920s to 1960s. And I think that immigration, the sales point for immigration is always one of the following. Well, they won't do the jobs that we'll do. Okay, well, with mass robotics or AI, that's not going to be. true anymore. By the way, how insulting the American people, I think that American people with a fair wage would actually do a lot of these jobs, and so if their wages weren't

always being undercut. So the other thing they say is well, diversity is our strength. No, it's not, actually. Diversity is not a strength, okay? No, show me any country that has mass importation of foreigners and get stronger. Right. Like, ever. In fact, Moses specifically

warned against this in the end of Deuteronomy. Deuteron 28. Exactly. Where he says, they will become your masters. There is like a cautionary tale there. They will be the head, you will be the tale. Yes. Yeah. And finally, as we care about the nation,

I just, I think the charitable way of looking at it is so right. I think there is this kind of like guilt complex that seeps into evangelicalism, which is that, well, everyone says America's awful and we're going to atone to our sins by allowing everybody that wants to come in here at all times. While they're actually not loving their neighbor, they're importing a foreigner. That's two totally different things. things. They're very slow to actually go help their neighbor who's an American, but somehow they want to go bring in like a Honduran or a Vietnamese, which again, if you have a good heart for that, terrific, that's fine. But a fact is this, is that America is collapsing because we are a nation of strangers. We speak different languages. We have different origin stories. We have different cultural backgrounds. And one that I think we can all agree on as Christians, we are, we should look at Europe with shock and with awe, and say that Islam is incompatible with Western civilization. That is mass migration. You're not going to

convert the Muslims in big numbers to Christianity. They're going to want to convert you. And they have a lot more kids than we do, by the way, a lot. And the number one birth name in London, in Birmingham, in Edinburgh is Muhammad. They seek to conquer and to grow and to explode their influence. And they're very good at it because Islam, you know, we as Christians, we kind of dance around like, is there a political doctrine for Christianity or not, you know, Islam makes no apology that it is a nakedly political ideology that's disguised as a religion. They make no apology. It's well within their teaching that we come here to institute a government of a certain structure, which eventually will be Sharia law. And we're inviting that into our country. It is slow motion suicide. And so, and the final point

they'll say is like, well, the West is not having enough children. Oh, really? Well, maybe we're having a million abortions every single year, we wouldn't need mass migration. Maybe if we didn't have, you know, kids that are on the pill with birth control, we wouldn't need to import, you know, massive amount of third worlders into our country. And so, look, I'm of the opinion that we should have a full pause on immigration, both legal and illegal. We have way too many people in this country right now. We have a public services issue. We have a wage issue. We have a crime issue. And call me radical, but again, I think the American citizen should always come first. A government is constituted to fulfill its mandate to its people. It stops at its borders. And its failure to do that has really led

to the rise of Donald Trump. We're honored to be partnering with Alan Jackson Ministries. And today, I want to point you to their podcast. It's called Culture and Christianity, the Alan Jackson podcast. What makes it unique is Pastor Allen's biblical perspective. He takes the truth from the Bible and applies it to issues we're facing today. Gender confusion, abortion, immigration, Doge, Trump in the White house issues in the church. He doesn't just discuss the problems. In every episode, he gives practical things we can do to make a difference. His guests have incredible expertise and powerful testimonies. They've been great friends. And now you can hear from Charlie in his own words. Each episode will make you recognize the power of your faith and how God can use your life

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Yes. Young men have been moving steadily to the ride. becoming more conservative. A lot of them are, the world that they've inherited just isn't working for them. Correct. Right. And you mentioned all the major institution, name one institution

in American life that hasn't thoroughly discredited itself in the last 10 years. All of them. Completely right. Media, military. Including the church. Including the church. So young men who want to be taught, instructed, and led are, where do I go? Where do I go? And so they're showing up at your events, and there are a lot of them. One downside, one challenge, with everything that happens, there's always going to be a temptation that accompanies it. And one of them here is that a lot of these young men are so disillusioned with everything that they have gone into some pretty dark corners of

the internet and have started to listen to Jew hate conspiracy theories. And of course, we have the joke, you know, I'm going to need some new conspiracy theories because all of mine are coming true. Yeah, that's right. You don't want these ones. Right. Yeah, there are some, there are some conspiracy theories that are really dank. They're really bad. And then there are the conspiracy theories that are people who just have eyes in their head. And they don't believe the, you lies that are coming out of their television set. Correct. Right. So make that distinction. But some of these men are pretty,

are broken, bleeding, hurting, and they are hostile to everything. And so your support for Israel, for example, will animate. Yes, animate them. You will probably get feedback, and that's where, how, just aside from the specific answer to the question, one of them might ask. How would you address sort of the root cause of this young male

rootlessness, fatherlessness that is resulting in adoption of some really bad political theologies? It's a great question. So I get asked frequently, why are men rebelling in such great numbers? There's a lot of answers, but one that is almost never mentioned, and I think I was the first one to present this. Young men do not like taking orders from women. They don't. Period. if you want to get young men to rebel, have a bunch of women barking at them, especially crazy liberal women. And you ladies afterwards,

don't ask your guy if that's true. Yeah, but it's... And so you think about it, you have a 17-year-old man, young man, I should say, where everything around him is falling apart. His friends are committing suicide, they're all addicted to porn,

and then he all of a sudden shows up at age 18 at a college campus where some like childless 45-year-old catwoman is telling him that he's the problem because he's toxicly masculine. And he's like, forget this. Like, I'm going to go find somewhere else where I'm at least validated as a man. And again, you could say like, oh, well, we have to teach men to be able to take orders from women.

That's a state of nature, guys. It's just that that's not going to, you have to understand that young men in particular are trying to figure out how to become a man and not a boy. They're trying to understand also how to deal with physical violence. That's why young men without fathers are much more likely to engage in acts of violent crime, murder, arson, kidnapping, whatever, gang violence, because they've never actually had a male figure to have them wrestle with the idea, like, what is it actually, what does good use of force actually mean? So they have totally distorted. And then even beyond that, the entire culture is hyper, hyperfeminized.

Now, what do I mean by that? I mean, feminine qualities at its best would be an appeal to emotion. We have thrown reason out the window, and the current constitution of the postmodernist view is that the worst thing that you can be in America is a white Anglo-Saxon Christian heterosexual male, of which I am one. So you're looking at like the chief villain. and the only way you can atone for that is by becoming a liberal or transitioning to become a woman. And men are the problem, men are the cancer, they're a tumor that must be removed, and it has created mass cultural chaos. And you have made all that list of that litany of things that you are one degree worse,

10 degrees worse, because add to it apologetic, unapologetic. Unapologetic Christian. Right, yes. Unapologetic for everything. Yes, that's right. whole list. And so I'm like the chief villain. So I'm white. Sue me. Yeah. So I'm header. I'm male. Exactly.

What am I supposed to do? Stop existing? And they'll say basically some of them will be like, yes. I mean, you think I'm kidding. I mean, so you the cultural paradigm right now is a rebellion of the men of the West. It's happening in every major country.

Where young men are finding podcasts like ours. They're finding other information conduits that believe in nature, believe in God's design, believe that men should have to stand up for the vulnerable, create a family, provide for the family, have to protect the weak, to fight the battles of society, to go on an adventure. This is very appealing to young men when they hear it. And they're not getting any of that. Instead, they get a, well, the hero's journey that they get is not the story of Abraham.

It's like, it's, it's, it's the story of, well, become a social justice warrior and get a degree in sociology and like go become a social worker. Like that's your hero's journey to like go become a guidance counselor to help kids become trans. Right. Like that's how you redeem yourself. And like young men like, no, that's like against my soul. Like I'm called to go into the wilderness. I mean, what, like Abraham left his dad's house. He was like 120 or something, right?

I mean, you would know. It's pretty old, like 70 or something. Every young boy wants that call to adventure to leave his father's home and to go do something out in the wilderness, to do something of the illness. He wants to slave the dragon. Exactly. And again, I'm not the first one of diagnosis. Jordan Peterson's been on this for quite a while, right?

What I'm getting at, though, is the political side is what people missed, is that there's a lot that you can call Donald Trump. No one has ever called him feminine. in a toxicly feminine world again all the media missed this and almost every cultural critic missed it we didn't in a toxicly feminine world you have the absolute inverse of that which is like ultra masculine never apologize red tie big plane super rich supermodel wife right it's gonna be big and Mexico's gonna pay for it and and more tariffs, and it's like as bravado, strong men as you can get. And young men didn't care that, you know, I don't, it wasn't even about policy.

That's what people don't understand. It was partially policy. He was like, no, he is the middle finger to all of the screeching hall monitors that have told me I have to use certain pronouns, that have told me that, like, I'm bad for existing, that have penalized me for my existence. and Trump is the big F you to the feminist establishment that has not been challenged my entire life. Right.

And there you have a coaching analysis of the 2020 election. 2024, yeah. So, 20204. No. But I could go on forever, but yeah. Well, thank you so much. Very good. Thank you.

Thank you. Do you want me to stay for questions or not? No, we're going to stay. So if you have a question, line up at the mic here, and then someone authoritative will cut it off when it's time to be done. So I listened to your podcast interview with Gavin Newsom. Yeah, that's right. And as a former Californian, I'm just curious, do you think he's going to successfully

pull this reinvention off? No, I don't. I mean, he's going to try to be the Democrat nominee. I don't profess to no Democrat politics. I will say, like no joke, Bernie drew a huge crowd in Boise a couple days ago. Like, I'm telling you, it's 12,000 people. That's not easy to do. We drew a big crowd to a Boise, but Boise State not that big.

The Democrats are going to go through a very difficult chapter right now. I'll pray for them. Pray this is Chapter 11. Yeah, no, exactly. Exactly. Exactly. So I don't know who the Democrat nominee is going to be. I'm not going to pretend, but there is, I don't think the Democrats will be able to be competitive in the battleground states

if they still stay married to their mass migration trans zealotry. If they allow the purple-haired jihadis to continue to run their party, I think they're going to be uncompetitive in the swing states. Yeah, thanks for coming out. I really appreciate you doing this. And I have a question, Connor, for you. I'd love to hear Pastor Wilson chime in on it as well. but I've heard Jordan Peterson say something to young men in particular,

something on the lines of if you're not going to college, you should do something as difficult or more difficult. One of the big topics you've been speaking on at college campuses is the idea that college is a scam. Correct. What do you think the solution is for aimless young men who struggle to find a purpose? And if they don't have a mission,

should they go to college with the hopes of finding one through pursuing a degree, or is college too dangerous of an environment? for young men seeking purpose? Like, what's the alternative? Yeah, I mean, look, this is a generalization. I could tell you this, though, that boys do not become men at college. They don't.

In fact, they stay boys. And one of the reasons why, generally, is that they get everything that they could possibly want and they don't have to work for it. This is why feminism is bad for everybody, men included. So the feminist schick is they tell a bunch of young women, hey, have as much sex as you possibly can. I know we got kids in the audience,

but, you know, it's just what it is. Have as much sex as you possibly can. And so the girls are like, oh, okay. And so they do that. So then the men don't actually have to be impressive or work to get what they want because all the women are free and easy on these campuses. And so they don't have to grow up. They don't have to shave. They don't have to stop doing weed.

They don't have to be impressive. So in the olden days, in order to even court a woman, you've got to be a pretty impressive guy. You got to have your act together. And now all of a sudden, the women throw themselves all over the place. And so it's a very simple supply and demand issue. So I'm against college for a lot of different reasons that that's one of them. I also just don't think it makes you wiser at all. I mean, you might know more stuff, but wisdom is the knowledge of things that do not change

and studying of the great books and the great ideas. Now, they're exceptions. I'm sure there's, I know there's a great college up here in Idaho somewhere. Yeah. So that would be the exception. But, I mean, I'll just tell you, I mean, like Washington State University, one of the first, you guys saw it, that professor that came up, he's a moron. Like, why would you spend money to learn from this guy?

He has, no, seriously, he's an anthropology or whatever sociology professor. He knows nothing. Like, there's nothing there, okay? There's no reason for you to go into debt to learn from this guy other than get the credential. And so there's a lot that young men can do. The bottom line is, I would say, do hard things. And college should be hard. And it's not.

And it's not. And there are places where you could make it hard. You could make a point of it being difficult and challenging. You could double major in engineering and, you know, something else that's difficult. Men need a challenge, they need to work hard. The problem is at state colleges, they make you run the gauntlet of other gunk in order to get your engineering degree. So you have to be very selective and very picky. I have a friend who many years ago in his non-Christian days was a sociology major,

and he got stoned out of his gourd and went and took his sociology final, and he aced it. and his conclusion was, I have got to change majors. So he went into microbiology and was converted later. It was a success story. But basically, men need to work hard. And they need a challenge.

That's right. An 18-year-old guy should not be left up to his own devices to seek out that which is hard because they're going to make the path of least resistance. and it's very, very easy for him. That's supposed to.

So I would say get counsel, parents, pastor, other people, but young men, if you're between 17 and 22, do hard things, basically, ensure that it's hard.

Hey, straight from the front lines. Absolutely. Thank you for coming to Moscow, Charlie. My question is, I noticed your co-op drink there. Oh, yeah. TPSA works primarily on a national level. How can we fight?

local political battles? That's actually a better question for Doug. I don't do a lot of local political battles. I resist getting in my condo board. By the way, that's vicious, just so we're curious to work with. I would be curious what your answers. So I would say that locally, we said earlier that culture is downstream from worship, I would say at the local level, you want to find a church that teaches the Bible,

join it, throw yourself into the work of it, grow that community where the community becomes salt and light at a local level such that non-believers notice. And then some of the controversies after that will start taking care of themselves. Well said. Hi, I have a question as a mom. I'm asking you for practical advice about how we fight against feminism. And I don't know how familiar how familiar you are with our community, but we have plenty of kids in our community. I have 10. Wow. Are you Mormon? No. It's amazing. No, we have five adopted. You're like, first non-orman with 10 kids I've met in Idaho.

I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Yeah, in our little bubble, it's not all that uncommon. Amazing. So my kids are well taught about feminism, and my sons and my daughters are. But, for example, you mentioned women in sports, or sorry, men in sports. But you often don't. hear about women that push into the Boy Scouts or women, and that's coming from women. And so I guess that's just a general question of what advice can you give me as a mom to try to make a difference, not even for my kids, but maybe other young people that are just hearing lies. Yeah, I don't know if I have advice for you as a mom, but I'll just say some general stuff that I think might be helpful, is that, first of all, I'm an Eagle Scout.

So I could tell you, this is not hard. boys need sex separate development spaces when they're trying to grow and mature. Every study shows this, and by the way, it's so self-evident. You don't need a study to show this. That you have eight boys that are the age of 12. A single female that is in that circumstance

changes the dynamic completely. Chaos. Now, it's not even a female's fault. So this was studied. This was interesting. So they did a Boy Scout thing where there was a high rate of failure task. So it was about like climbing a rope basically and it's very hard and it requires teamwork and

all this sort of stuff. So they did it with just boys. It was fine. When a boy would fail, they'd like get him up again. They would encourage him. It was very team. There was no shame and failure when it was all boys. They introduced one female. They don't want to take the risk because they want to impress the singular female. The entire dynamic of teamwork, it's all completely splintered. And honestly, it's incredibly damaging to young boys' development to get rid of boys-only spaces to become men. It's an awful development. Girls in the Boy Scouts is one of the most disturbing developments in something that was once a good instance. The Boy Scouts are not, you should find, what is that other thing, the True North or Happy Trails or something?

Two or three, there's trail. Yeah, trail life, yeah. Happy trails. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, so, but not boys. Boy Scouts is a husk of its former self. And that's too bad because there's former presidents and astronauts that were Eagle Scouts and myself. And it's terrible. But more than anything else, like what is the root of the feminist lie that it comes into Christianity? When parents tell

their kids, their daughters, you can do everything men can do. And that's BS. It's not true. You shouldn't say that to your sons. You shouldn't say it to your daughters. You should say you are uniquely gifted to do some things that men cannot do. and they're uniquely gift to do some things that you cannot do. Amen. Thank you. Thank you. Charlie, in some of your videos, when somebody's asked you,

how do you actually know that the Bible is true or that God exists? Your response has been, well, if I'm dealing with a secularist, I will try to prove it using reason alone. And I know that Doug has a different approach. He has more of a pre-suffisional or Ventilian approach. I was hoping you guys could have maybe an exchange about apologetical methodology. I don't even know if we're different on it. But let's say you're talking to Bill Maher, and he says the Bible's not true.

How would the best way to respond? I would ask him, what is? He said, this marijuana is true. I would say, you're sure of that? You're high, you know. And he'll say, oh, yeah, I am. I know the wrong stuff. I mean.

Yeah, one of the, he, Marr's like Hitchens was. where he gets off, he's got a dumb position. He's very slick and very witty. Incredible. And we'll win the crowd with the joke. Totally. When the point he's making is just totally lame. I completely agree.

So that's where I struggle. I struggled with the clever comedian. And I'm pretty quick, but I mean, he's 50 years of comedy. So what you do in this is say, let's talk as though both sides have to give an account of what they believe is fundamentally true. okay so if he says i don't he's ultimately he has to be a relativist atheists have to be relativist and he he somewhat acknowledges that right so how can you say that what i'm saying is false you don't know what's true you can't call something crooked if you don't know what straight is basically um people like to say i'm an agnostic and i would say well let's use the latin word

for that which is ignoramus right without knowledge and agnostic is either an agnostic is either I don't know I wish I did and that's a seeker the there's I don't know I don't know I don't care which is sort of the frat boy approach I'm I'm don't bother me and then I don't know there's the dogmatic agnostic who says I don't know you don't know nobody can know that's that would be his position right and I say do you know that how do you how do you know that you're telling me that there may or may not be a God, but if there's a God, he is the kind of being who cannot be known by us.

And I'd say, what Sunday school did you learn that in? You just made a claim about God. You just told me that God cannot reveal himself. How do you learn this great mystery about God and God's inabilities? So a dogmatic agnostic is assuming things from the Christian religion. He's assuming the objectivity of truth. How does that usually go?

I mean, where does that conversation usually lead? It usually leads to people remembering they have an appointment. Or making a joke. Or making a joke. You and I should have talked beforehand. But yeah, I think that's the best. I don't know how successful would have been given his slippery nature. But inevitably, it will get to an agreement that saying that there is, that you don't know, is actually a truth claim.

Correct. Got it. Okay. C.S. Lewis says. says in miracles, his book miracles, you can argue with a man who says, Rice is unwholesome. But he says, you don't have to argue with a man who says, Rice is unwholesome, but I'm not saying this is true. The atheist has to say there are no absolutes. And do you believe that absolutely? Is that an absolute? Yeah, he would say the only

absolute that he believes in is that we don't know. Okay, so where do you get that absolute? Yeah. You can't, that's a quip. He's giving a witticism. Sure. This is the only absolute. And I'd say, okay, well, let's pursue that. Where'd you get that absolute? Why should I listen to you? You're just meat, bones, and protoplasm. You're saying these things because your body chemistry is time, chance, acting on matter,

is making you say stuff. I have no reason to believe that there's any correlation between what you're saying and what's actually happening in the world, on your supposition. So let's talk about Jesus. I tried. Thank you. That was very helpful. Thank you. So once you leave, how does that grow? Where does it? Leave college? Yeah, once you've left to college and they're left to their own devices.

How does that? Hopefully I communicate with them in their devices, right? So, well, that college, how does it convert from being a feminist institution into something truth forward? Got it. So how do we redeem colleges? is part of the question, I guess. I don't think they are redeemable. I don't. I think they have to be metaphorically and, yeah, let's just say metaphorically,

burn to the ground. So. I got a visit from the FBI over a joke like that. Cash Patel will not be visiting my home anytime soon. Or Dan Bongina. I say metaphorically. Look, I don't think colleges are redeemable. I think that they are, without a doubt,

some of the most broken, secular, demonic, satanic-influenced institutions in our country. And this idea that we're going to somehow change the campuses, I think we've got to build new better ones. And I think people will flock to those. Thank you. I had, it's a three-part question, but mostly, is there a place for assisted reproductive technology and Christian living? That's the first part of my question. The second is.

So IVF. Yes, IV, surrogacy, kind of everything in that. And then would you, based on that answer, agree or disagree with the statement that any ART is commercialization of children. So surrogacy. Yeah, well, kind of any of it. Okay. And then my third part of the question is, does my pastor agree with you?

Okay. I did a whole schick on IVF. I got a lot of problems with it. I don't know if it should be illegal or legal. I would never do it. The discarding of human embryos is a serious problem. It's a human rights violation. me tell you, I'm not going to tell you, you guys could talk about all the problems, but let me tell you

why I struggle with it. It is, it is in intense, the opposite of an abortion clinic. Because these are the people that want kids, not want to kill kids. That's a, that's, that's, I struggle with that. Number two, infertility is shown to be the, the second most mentally trying thing a family can go through other than cancer. If you ever dealt with it, I praise the Lord have not, could be very, very difficult. Thirdly, I meet some of these IVF kids and they're wonderful. They're incredible. I mean, they show up to my events and they're like, I'm a product of IVF, so I got to kind of reconcile with that. But the problems with it are very significant. Number one, it's Brave New World, Aldous Huxley stuff where we can just make life in a laboratory. I have a big problem with that.

I really do. Number two, the discarding of the human embryos. Number three, this idea that we're going to, oh, we're going to try to put six up against the wall and a two stick, great, you know, four lives get ruined. Oof, I got a big problem with that as well. And it is the absolute verse also of birth control. Birth control is sex without life. IVF is life without sex. And it comes from, I think, the same spirit that we do not need to actually consummate in order to have human life. So it's the further deterioration of what sex is meant to be in the Bible. With that being said, I don't judge or, you know, think any less of Christians that use IVF. When I talk to them, they're almost always in a state of like desperation. So I pray for them. I personally would

never do it. But be curious with pastor has to say. Yeah, I agree with the problems he outlined. I agree with all of those. And sympathize with the reasons why people are attracted to it. But I think it's just bad all the way through. So

I believe it ought to be against the law. I think we painted ourselves into a corner. We are technologically sophisticated, technological geniuses, and ethical morons. And we ought not to be in this position tinkering with things. It's like these people have never watched a science

fiction movie. Gattaca. Don't you know what happens? The spooky music happened right around here. Just because we can doesn't mean we should. That's right. And I believe that we should not until we absolutely know and are centered and grounded on God's word. And surrogacy, I'm a hard now. That's womb's for sale. And almost surrogacy is almost always now done for commercial reasons of people that just don't want to have more kids, but they want to have more kids. Thank you so much. Thank you. Hi. You've touched on the topic before that Christians or even conservatives are often met with hatred or judgment for expressing or even acknowledging their beliefs. So what would your encouragement or advice be to the young believers of my generation on owning, advocating, and expressing

our faith in a way that won't push people away but rather touch lives. Blessed are those who are persecuted. And so, look, being persecuted is a blessing. I think the pastor might agree with this. If you aren't currently being condemned, death threats, being trying to run out of town, you're not fighting hard enough. I mean that. I mean, look, you've got to be boundary pushing. You have to be trying to, you can tell a lot of a man based on the enemies that you earn. So just look, in James I, it talks all about the blessed persecution. Jesus talked about it as well. And so just take heart in the Lord and it'll make you a stronger believer in Christian. Yeah.

Be bold. Confess the faith. Stand up for what you believe. And I'm afraid we have to cut it off there. So thank you again, Charlie Kirk. Thank you guys so much. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.