The Charlie Kirk Show - Teaching Your Kids to Be In The World, Not Of It — My Speech at TP Academy's Educators' Summit

Episode Date: August 10, 2025

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Thank you, everybody. Please take a seat. So I've been taking it easy this conference, you know, just sitting by the pool. First, Hudson, you're doing a fabulous job, the entire turning point education team. Can you give it up for them? And Dr. Gouche and Dr. Firestone and Scott and Jennifer and Francine, the whole team, they're just wonderful. And we're going to talk about a couple things, and we'll just do Q&A, because I really want to hear from you guys and answer whatever questions you might.

have but help spread the word about turning point education to your community you know people know turning point USA they know turning point action they're learning about TPSA faith more I think we're a household name now we need to make turning point education a household name as well so help us with that everybody help us spread the word and they're just doing such fabulous fabulous work I want to talk about two things in particular the first of which is the greatest failure of modern education and what we should do to fix it and how far too often Christians fall into the trap. Now, I know you won't fall into the trap because you heard from our wonderful Turning Point education gang, and then I'm going to talk to us about some other real life implications. If you had to distill the biggest problem

in modern education, it goes like this. It's that I do not want to impose upon my kid anything specific. We're going to have values-neutral education, and we're just going to kind of raise them with reading, writing, and arithmetic will give them skills but not values. This has penetrated so many schools, including supposed Christian schools in this country, and itself is actually a contradiction. Because saying that you will not teach values is a statement of value. There is no such thing as a valueless statement. Everything has values laced into it.

So to say that we're not going to do morality or ethics is basically saying, saying that itself is a statement of morality and ethics. Now, understand how silly this is. Any environment when you're raising children, any environment when you have human beings, morals will always come through. So imagine if you're running a fourth grade classroom and a kid steals a pencil. Does the teacher say that's perfectly fine? We don't do moral judgments around here? If the kid starts bullying somebody else, you know, we have anti-bullying campaigns across the country, while simultaneously we're told that the education system is only about reading, writing, and arithmetic.

Now, here's the problem, is that we have successfully pushed back on the left and the secular movement on DEI and wokeism and transgenderism, mainly because when you create a vacuum, when you get rid of God, Christianity, biblical truth, Western values, and you say we're just going to be a value agnostic education system, that's how you get DEI and you get CRT, because some viewpoint is going to fill that vacuum. Nature abhor is a vacuum. And so we have been led by the whole idea of modernity

that these kids are just going to kind of figure it out for themselves. And so then this other side fills the void rather quickly. How did this happen? It happened because in the modern world, God is just a guess, judgment is the greatest sin and self is God. So think about it. Judgment is the greatest sin of the modern world.

and incorporated in biblical Christian moral teaching is an idea that there is a right or a wrong and a good and an evil and a standard of ethical and moral behavior. That bothers some people because they're saying, well, who are you to tell a fourth grader how to act? That is the purpose of education, which is to tell a fourth grader how to act.

It's not a byproduct. It is the mission statement. It is the primary thing. And so what you've found in the secular West, and it's finally changing, is we have skilled graduates with no values. We have graduates that can write codes of AI, but they have no character.

They, some of whom, not all of them, no stuff, but they have no idea why they're actually here. They went through education, and they can tell you how, but they can't tell you why. They can tell you what they can do, but they don't tell you any of the implications behind it. That is not education, everybody. That is something completely different.

And far too often, we as Christians get very apprehensive because we feel as if we do not want to be judgy or we don't want to tell other people how to live. Everybody, we should bring everybody to the truth of the gospel. We should bring everybody to the scriptures. And that starts in Christian education. So the three questions, and you guys know all of these questions, and education should be talking about them all the time.

How did I get here? Why am I here and where am I going? That's it. If you accomplish those three questions, it doesn't matter if they are struggling to be able to do the quadratic equation. It's fine. We could teach them that eventually. But if they know, how did I get here,

why am I here, and where am I going, you have done a phenomenal job as an instructor as a parent. What I find on campus is they can't answer any of those questions and each one leads to the other. So what the modern world has tried to do is they've tried to just only answer the middle question and ignore the first and the third question.

So they'll say, well, you're here just to kind of serve yourself. You're here to, the most generous interpretation of the Western secular world, is, well, you're here to do good. Really, what is good? By what standard is it good? You're appealing to some transcendent standard. What is good?

Oh, it's just common sense. Actually, no, it's not. Tell me, what is the good you're talking about? When in reality, you must say, how did I get here? Well, we know how we got here. We're created in the image of God. We know that, that God created the heavens in the earth. We know why we are here, which is to love God and love people,

create disciples of all nation, and to know Jesus and to make him known. And hopefully, we know where we're going. So we answer all three rather easily. Problem is, is that in the modern secular environment, number one and number three, they say, that is far too judging. You're not allowed to talk about it. Now, my life's work is mostly in the second question, not the third. I talk about the third a lot. I'm bringing people to Jesus.

By the way, just this morning, you know, we had over 25 students give their life to the Lord during the worship and praise concert this morning. It's amazing. 25 students went straight to the altar call. Isn't that amazing? So we do plenty of that. But the majority of my life's work is actually the purpose question. Why are you here? What do we do? And why do we do it? Now, part of the problem is that far too often, and this is a good faith critique, modern evangelicalism spends way too much time on the third question. Where am I going? That's important. But if you're only heaven-focused and not earth- focused, then you're actually not fulfilling what Jesus told us to do. Now, separately, if you're only earth focused and not heaven focused, that is not at all what Jesus wants us to do, because his kingdom is not up this world. This is one of the reasons why we as evangelicals have struggled to build institutions that last. It's why that Catholics have more primary schools. It's why that, you know, I'm a soft spot for Catholics, but I'm not Catholic, more K through 12 education,

is Catholic theology talks a lot more about number two, where in evangelical world, they'll talk more about number three. And especially now when things get kind of crazy in the news cycle, especially in the Middle East, number three becomes almost the only thing that has talked about, right? Things are not falling apart, they're falling into place. Jesus is coming back next Thursday, right? Again, I'm not doing eschatology here. I'm not a pastor or a theologian.

I encourage you guys to find people that know what they're talking about. I'm not pre-trib. I'm not post-trib. I'm pan-trib, it's all going to pan out. I am, if I offended you with that, my mission is in the second question, not the third question, okay? I'm going to be on the welcoming committee, not the planning committee.

I am here to love God, love people, know Jesus, and to make him known. That is my life's work. And so, but then it comes into education. And I think unintentionally in the modern Christian world that we kind of forsaken education because we are so heaven-focused. We should want to build educational institutions, educational movements that last and that are durable, that can go generation to generation, that can live longer to you.

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Alan Jackson Ministries is working hard to get biblical truth back into our culture. You can find out more about Pastor Allen and the ministry at Alanjaxon.com. That is allanjaxon.com. Again, that is alanjaxon.com. And so the second question, the first one is very important, But that's one of the easier answered ones. But the second one I find is where all of a sudden so many Christians fail to then give young Christians action items of what to do.

And I find this all the time with our Turning Point USA students. And they say, Charlie, at my local church, my local school, I was raised in, they will talk about the afterlife and bringing people to heaven. But they don't talk about family formation. They don't talk about fighting for the unborn. they don't talk about contesting for your nation or for standing up against evil. You see, I'm of the belief and everyone has their calling that we as Christians have not done a good enough job on why are we here. We've not done a good enough job on that the last 40 years.

In fact, we don't even have the same answer. If you talk to some more liberal branches of Christianity, they say we are here to do social justice. They say that we are here to try to iron out the iniquities or to try to push forward of egalitarianism or to try to end racism or what ends up happening. And this is why wokeism has infiltrated the church and why wokeism has infiltrated Christian education. It's because while the conservatives, we are heaven-focused, the liberals in Christianity are earth-focused. So we're like, oh, yeah, yeah, you're taking over my school. No, no, no, I'm so focused on what's coming next. When all of us some we look around at some of our once great Christian colleges, one by one, have become

liberal. And you know what I'm talking about, right? It's because we've kind of forsaken the immediate, because we're so focused on what is coming next. And we should be everything, of course, eventually should be heaven focused. That is the worldview that we should view. But that God does not want us to run to the hills and hide from society until Jesus returns. That is not scriptural. That is not biblical. He wants to be salt and light. Salt and light change things the environment that they come in contact with. And so the reason why wokeism has infiltrated is that branch of theology, or lack thereof, is we have to do immediate action on this earth because social justice and social change is the most

important thing. And they go even as far as to trying to undermine biblical inerrancy, as you can see. And they're like, oh, Jesus was more kind of like a political activist or a social teacher than he was the savior of the world. So what does this all mean for us? This is where education comes in. Because education impacts all three parts of this, which is you must unabashedly reject when people put forward this modern lie of values neutral education. But secondly, you must as a Christian educator, do not be afraid to talk about the nation, to talk about America, and to talk about liberty, talk about freedom. And this is what sometimes I'm so disappointed in. Is it so many good Christian

kids went through the whole cycle of Christian education, and they have no idea how precious this country is, or what a constitutional republic is, or what our history is. And so then what ends up happening is far too many of them will then fall prey to liberalism once they kind of go and enter into the world, or they kind of have a, let's just say, a national agnostic Christianity. Not that interested. It's not for me. And so this is where Turning Point education comes in, and it's so critically important, which is that we are Jesus focused, and then second, liberty focused, America focused, citizen focus, because God calls us to care about our nation. And that combination, I'll be honest, is very, very hard to find right now in the

education space. Instead, what I get is I get emails from parents on boards of Christian schools where they give a lot of money, and they're told that you're not allowed to talk about, you know, CRT. You're not allowed to talk about transgenderism. And finally, everybody, if you don't equip your Christian youth to know why they are here and what they are fighting for, it might be when they're 20 or when they're 25, or when they're 30, and they might be living in Atlanta or Philadelphia or New York, and you send them out into the world, are they prepared to respond to a friend or a colleague or a boss that all of a sudden says, well, yeah, why don't you go march in the BLM parade? Are they prepared to do that?

Do they know what that is? Do they know the rise of new paganism, of environmentalism, and the cult of anti-racism? Do they know that these are just counterfeit gods that we saw once in the Bible that are replicating itself from the West? And so the reason why all of a sudden, raise your hand if you know someone that was raised in a Christian environment and became super liberal and atheistic after. Every hand goes up. And of course, I know lots of them. I'm sure if I said, how many of you know, 10, 20, 30, and it's tragic and it's sad. There's a lot of reasons for it, the one that I'm trying to emphasize today.

I don't know if it's the biggest or second or third is that you have an ill-equipped youthful Christian population that gets torpedoed by secular left-wing persuasion. And they have no antibodies to this virus. They have not been unoculated to the woke-mind virus. So they go out into the world and all of a sudden someone says, yeah, you know, Jesus said that we should have open borders. And they didn't come from a Christian environment that ever talked about immigration. And they say, you know, Jesus said it's perfectly fine for two dudes to marry. He didn't mention homosexuality. Not true, by the way.

Mark 7-2, he mentioned sexual immorality, which the Greek word is pornea. That's your fun factoid for the day that Jesus actually did mention sexual degeneracy in a negative light. Anyway, that's secondary. But they're not equipped for that because we don't talk the Christian, the Christian view in most Christian schools. Well, homosexuality is too controversial. Abortion's too controversial. We'll talk about the gospel and we'll do reading, writing arithmetic, and they can figure it out on their own. And then once that destabilizing, deconstructionist, post-modernist view

gets hold, then all of a sudden they're like, well, if two guys can marry is the Bible actually true? And that is the, all those things are gateway drugs to undermine biblical inerrancy. They're gateway drugs to undermine the authority of scripture. They're gateway drugs. And you can see, this is the enemy. We know how he works, right? What are the characteristics of the enemy? He's not everywhere. He asked a focus. on certain principalities in certain cities and certain places. He's not on the present, but also literally his word means deceiver or prosecutor in Hebrew. He's always trying to deceive, to undermine, to debase. Did God really say that? Are you sure? Is that really what

Scripture says? Constantly challenging, constantly questioning. So then you have a youthful population that gets out there, and they're obviously tempted by everything imaginable. That's a whole separate topic that we can talk about, of how we need to talk more about sexual purity and all that. but from the political standpoint, that's where they get hold. And parents, I've seen this progression so often. Parents will be like, yeah, you know, my kid, he's really liberal, but he's still Christian. Two years later, he ain't Christian any longer.

Because once you kind of go down that, and that sequencing of deconstructionism begins, the end point is complete and total nihilism. Once you undermine the authority of Scripture, and you do that via politics, Satan is using, in the Christian education, I'm talking about the second world. I'm talking about our environment, our community, our kids, our people that we spent tons of money and energy educating. Satan is using politics as a way to get into Christian youth to then get them to not be Christian.

All because we were told that if we talk about politics, they wouldn't be Christian. Turns out the exact opposite was actually true. Turns out that we don't talk about these issues, they end up getting completely destabilizing. So what is the answer? You lean in to every controversial issue as it's age appropriate through a biblical lens. As it's age appropriate, what does the Bible say about pornography? What does the Bible say about abortion? What does the Bible say about immigration? What does the Bible say about boom, boom, boom, boom. And all of a sudden, they'll have the antibodies then. In the back of their head, when they're 26 years old and they're accountant, you know, at Deloitte in Cleveland, Ohio, all of a sudden someone says, you know, yeah, you know, Jesus never talked about homosexuality. actually, you know, there's a rootedness

because you leaned into the controversial, you leaned into the topical, you leaned into the immediate. And that's also a message for pastors, and we'll do some questions. I know there's some pastors here. The pastors also who don't do this, they, people wonder why, you know,

pastors wonder why people are leaving your church, their churches, liberal churches, and they're going to more conservative churches like Jack Gibbs and many other, you know, great people, is they want their pastor to make sense of what is happening in the world. They, long-term, they don't need the same repurposed servant. They say, hey, I'm confused. Tell me what to think. And I'll be very honest with you, it is a failure and

a disservice and a tragedy. When a mom goes to a pastor and has a transgender kid, which doesn't really exist, but let's just say, you know, a kid that's struggling with transgenderism or gender dysphoria. The pastor says, we don't really do that here. Or even worse, the pastor says, well, we have to affirm it because Jesus loves all people. This stuff is not going away. Yes, we're temporarily winning the culture war, everybody, but you better believe it will roar back at some point. And it's not going to be the secular world that will save us.

It has to be Christian youth, Christian kids, biblical principles. And that means you have to kind of reconfigure how you view education. I know that's why Turning Point education is having such incredible success. So again, the three questions. you know, how did I get here? Why am I here? Where am I going? We need to spend more time in the second question. We've done really good on the third. But interestingly, the second will actually lead to the third. Evidence by today. 25 kids that were here for the politics, but they stayed for Jesus. And the consensus was always, don't talk about politics because we'll prevent people from leading to Jesus. The law, there's the three types of law you know this, the moral, the civil and the ceremonial. Ceremonial we can kind of, we can study, but that doesn't apply to us.

The moral we should still follow. The civil we should consider for application in government institutions as appropriate. But we're not bound to every civil law. That's the three categories of the 613 laws of Moses, 613 laws of Judaism. The law, according to Galatians 3, is a schoolteacher, it is a guard, it is a caretaker, it is a protectorate of Jesus Christ. The law points you to Jesus, and especially the one part of the law that we never talk about. You see, pastors will always say, the moral law, you know you can't follow the moral law, and that's eventually why you lead to Jesus.

That's true, but it's incomplete. Right? That's totally true, but that's an incomplete teaching. Notice the pastors never talk about how civil law can lead you to Jesus. It's like, hey, the Bible had a lot to say in the 613 laws of Moses about how to run your government, about borders, about boundaries, about, you know, desecration of the divine. vine, but we're told that we can't be political. Everybody, I don't want you to be political. I want you to be biblical. Private student loan debt in America totals about $300 billion. Why Refi refinances

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And we're thankful that you're right about so much, but not about Amendment 4 from last year in Florida. Oh, wait, what one? Oh, the abortion one? Yes, the fight is not over. But it didn't pass, though, right? It did not pass. Well, I was not in favor, but... No, you were not in favor, but you thought that it would.

Oh, I'm sorry, you're right. I was wrong. My prediction was wrong. You're totally right. And I'm so right I was wrong. Yes, I was so glad you were wrong. Thank you. I was like, I didn't support abortion.

I'm like the least throw abortion person ever. No, you're so right. I know. And I was, honestly, I was thankful to God I was wrong. Yes, yes, amen. You guys proved me wrong. Okay. So to your point about value-neutral education, that comes in by allowing someone besides parents directed by God to make decisions and be the ones to instill those values.

Christian education takes federal and state money. Pastor Chuck Smith always said where God guides, he provides. Knowing Alex Newman and stories from other countries and states, do you personally advocate for or against government funding in the form of school vouchers that will allow and cause erosion of freedom? to home and Christian education, and even in your 5C schools. It's a great question. So I would just throw it back to you first, and I want you to, can I, can, what's your name again? I'm sorry? Yeah.

Karen. Yeah, so Karen, can you just, because it's important for me to know, where in the country is the best example of school choice limiting educational freedom? It's not a trick question. I actually want. Is the mic that disappear? Yeah. I'm thinking of Alex Newman in particular, and his experience in Sweden.

But also, I've heard in California, they make you go in and have all of your curriculum approved. California doesn't have school choice, right? So where in America? I think Arizona, no? Oh, we have a school choice, but it's the opposite. We can say whatever we want. I have not followed all of the legislation. No, right.

So the reason I ask the question is we have no evidence of that. It doesn't exist. Oh, I'm going to have them called. So it's important because I get that question a lot. So I want someone to show me a state where school choice was passed, and all of a sudden there was curriculum regulation or restrictions. Now, the concern is legit. I get that, but we're kind of stuck in a dilemma.

And I can just talk about Arizona. Arizona, the Christian schools are bigger than ever. They're more popular than ever. And more kids are learning about Jesus than ever. Because only, and I love your spirit, I'll only push back on one thing. It's not government money, it's taxpayer money. Right? So it's the parents' money that's now allowed to go.

And if you want to respond, you can. But sure. What if we had homestead exemptions where we retained our money? I totally support that 100%. I think that, I mean, in the ideal world, so here's your concern, and your concern is valid. Your concern is that they're going to use school choice as a way to get into our schools. So let me just tell you about Arizona, the state I live in. We were stuck with a dilemma.

Public sectors unions were destroying the state. Kids weren't getting educated. and parents wanted to send their kids to Christian school, but they couldn't afford it. They couldn't afford the 9, 10, 15,000 bucks a year. Low-income Hispanic, working-class whites, plumbers, electricians, police officers. So we decided to do a school choice movement.

We're like, hey, you can actually get literally $12,000, it's now $15, that you can send to any school, private, Christian, and what's happened as a result is not only as educational outcomes went up, but the Christian schools have flourished. You might end up being right like you were about Amendment 4. And I reserve the right to be proven wrong on this because I'm paranoid about government overreach, right? The fact that state-by-state level, though,

gives me a little bit more confidence because there's more accountability in the states than there is in D.C. I think we should acknowledge that, right? That it's much easier to hold a governor and a state rep accountable than a congressman or a senator accountable. That's at least my experience. Maybe you disagree, especially in smaller states.

but now here comes the trick and here's the ultimate question let's take a state like Illinois. Anyone from Illinois? Hudson's from Illinois. Yes. Would it be better or worse if kids in Chicago could send their tax dollars to a Christian school instead of a

failing public school? Probably better. And that's the only public, that's the only school choice part that I'll weigh in on, right? While I acknowledge that a very sinister force and Sweden's a good example but we're not yet Sweden. I pray. A very sinister government force could be like, hey, if you're taking

school money, you have to vaccinate your kids to a certain extent, right? You have to teach them all this rubbish. If and when I see that surface, you'll be my first phone call, Karen. I'll be like, you were right, and now I'm against all of it. Until then, I'm in support of school choice. Fabulous question. I love it. We got a question down here. Back there, yes. I want to get to this young lady. She's very excited. Yes, ma'am, all the way in the back. Hi, Charlie. Thank you all for welcoming homeschool families. As a mom of three young boys that I'm homeschooling, I wanted to know if you could pick one biblical verse to kind of pray over your children every day, what would you choose? So it's a great question. First of all, I like praying biblical verses over my kids that many generations have prayed before. So number six is the Levittical blessing, which is let the Lord keep you. and let the Lord give you strength, you know, let his countenance fall upon you, his face fall upon you.

I love that verse. That was a Levitical blessing that's been given almost uninterrupted of generations going all the way back to the nation of Israel. The second one that I would give, I think is Deuteronomy 6, 3 through 5, which is called the Shama, which is Hero Israel, I am God, and I am one. But the best part of that verse goes when it's like, and you will teach your children this, and you will never forget. I mean, it is so, like, aggressive about how you'll teach your kids this. And so I love those two verses. And then finally, yeah, I mean, as far as, like, I got nothing better than the Levitical blessing, because it's like have the Lord bless you, the Lord keep you, let his face shine upon you. I think that's a beautiful thing to pray of your kids every night.

So I think it's number six. You can fact check me on that. I think I'm right, right? Right? Yep, number 622. And by the way, I do not like modern Christian music. I think most of it is, like, kind of pagan. They actually did a great job with that song, which is called the Bless.

I got to be honest, it's very biblical. They did a great job. I'm a big, I'm a big critic of a lot of modern Christian music because all of a sudden they're like, what's that one song? It's so heretical, this one that someone sent to me. I can't remember the lyrics, but it was recent. It wasn't irresistible grace. It was another one where it was something about like God's character. I was like, reckless love. What is that? And I'm sure the person who wrote it is super sweet, but if you can show me the verse that shows that God's love is reckless, towards us, I will learn something like, don't think that's biblical. However, the song, the blessing is a beautiful song to pray over your kids. They did a legitimately great job for that. So, yes, you want to

follow up? Thank you so much. God bless you. And I love homeschool kids. We're homeschooling our kids. Thank you. Yes, man. Hi, Charlie. Thank you so much for your time. My name is Ashlyn. I am the secretary for my county, which is actually the neighboring county to Tampa, of our Young Republicans chapter. I am here at the Educator Summit today because I'm very interested in education. As a senior in high school, college board denied me my 504 plan accommodations during standardized testing for right features. and I have never once been denied accommodations before. I have tested to be a gifted student, and I have gone to my legislators,

and they have silenced me constantly. There's nothing we can do. Oh, it's private. And I know that there are other solutions. So I was just wondering what you would say to my story and how to go more public with that. What is a 504 accommodation? I'm sorry, I don't. The 504 plan, so basically my accommodations I received throughout school,

it just explains those in depth, and then as well as my counseling, or sorry, my counselor's packet of my test of needing accommodations. Got it. Okay, I don't know about that. In fact, the trend is actually the opposite, where kids' accommodations sometimes go, way above and beyond and are like sometimes outrageously accommodated where kids need like three days to take a test. I don't know if you've seen this phenomenon. I have two learning disabilities.

No, I understand. I'm not, I'm saying, so I'm surprised to hear you say that because that is not the trend that I've heard. It's the opposite. So is anyone in the room able to help her? Because I don't know. Okay, someone in the back is raising their hand. So if you could help her afterwards or take her aside,

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Everyone, if you can, should homeschool. So my question for you is a two-part question. Do you think, the first part is, do you think public schools can be reformed to the point that they will ever be suitable again for Christian children? And the second part is, if yes, what does that look like and if no, what replaces that? So currently I'm very cynical on government-run schools.

And I try to use government-run school more than public school because they're not serving the public good. These are government-run institutions. I'm a unique case, so no one should ever use my story as, like, an example, but I went to government-run school through sixth grade to 12th grade. For me, it was a very important experience. I'm wired differently. I was able to strengthen my faith.

I actually became more conservative. I enjoyed being in the intellectual minority. I became like more pious and more committed to sexual purity, the more I was around the degeneracy. I'm different, right? And I will say 1% of the Christian kids who deal with probably have my wiring, right? So you should not use my test case

because most will kind of just fall into it. And that's not me being braggadocious. I think you could all agree, right? That's a unique case. Even when I went to high school, it was a mess. 10 years later, it is just unrecognizable. The top excuses that I get from parents, the biggest excuse as to why they send their kid to public school is cost.

It's number one. That's why I'm the school choice advocate for my previous one, right? And I get it. And some people in this audience will understandably say, figure it out what could be more important than your kids, figure it out financially. Yes, but the economy right now is so disordered, and President Trump, I think, is figuring it out,

and we're going to have a better economy. Things are so expensive that people are in a lot of debt that an extra $10,000 a year could literally break an entire family and bring them the bankruptcy. So I think we should have compassion towards that. That's why I think in Arizona the school choice things work, especially for working class people.

So like the MAGA faithful, the muscular class, the construction guys that are working $65,000 a year, they're like they could send their kid to a world-class school in Arizona and they're loving it. It's like it's a total game changer. The second, though, is just the dumbest, which is community. Like, oh, it's just a better.

school, you know, to go hang around people. Like, okay, that's, yeah, go send them to Sodom and yeah, that's really great. So, and the third is understandable. And I think we've done a better job through laws of accommodating this, which is just sports. That's the third. It's like I send my kid to public schools because, you know, my kid is going to be LeBron James and he obviously needs to, you know, play basketball at the local public school and if not everything's going to be terrible. Home schoolers, I think, are afforded the right in all 50 states to compete in athletics equally as kids that are enrolled in the public schools. You can correct me if I'm wrong. I think it's all 50 states.

And Tebow was the one that really helped make that happen here in Florida. I think. I know he was a big champion of that because he was homeschooled and he would just go play for the football team and then kind of go leave afterwards. So the community one is also silly. Homeschool kids get plenty of community. And by the way, I also just, are you raising kids or are you raising adults? Shouldn't you want your kid to be around adults more than kids? And the more they're around adults, the more mature they are, the better their languages,

is, the better their vocabulary is. And then finally, the other one is cost. We've got to figure that out. That is a major issue. But no, to answer your question directly, I don't want to be overly cynical. I do not think the public schools are going to be reformed anytime soon. I do not, which is why I think you should leave them and educate your own kids. Charlie, we have an Illinois question. Mark, go Cubs. Hello, Mark from Chicago. Is there any hope for Illinois? Jesus will return eventually. So that is the best hope for Illinois. Look, I don't do opium, where I give hope and opium and make you guys feel good,

and it's all a bunch of BS. Illinois is in a tough spot. It's awful. I grew up there. I love Illinois. I love the suburbs. It's a phenomenal place to be from. And it's the Collar counties have flipped to be all Democrat, as you know.

And the Collar counties used to be the remnant of the entire state becoming Democrat. And now you have parts of McKenry that are very Democrat, all of Lakers Democrat, the out excerpts of Cook or Democrat. DuPage County is now Democrat. That used to be a Republican stronghold. Will County is increasingly Democrat. So you look at all the collars and I'm not optimistic. I'm not.

And look, everyone, you should fight for where you are and where you feel called. But I could tell you that if another 10,000 families moved from Illinois to Arizona, we would own that state for 20 years. I mean, so you have to think to yourself like, okay, what is the best way to live and define? Everyone's called in a different environment, but I could tell you, someone who loves Arizona and lives there,

my goodness, I didn't know you could see the sun in the month of February. It was this incredible thing. And you're a lot happier when you could see the sun in the month of February. Let me tell you. My Floridians agree. Thank you, Mark. You're great. Yes.

Hey, Charlie. Thank you for all of this today. Super grateful. So my name is Ryan LaTereo. I'm with Maid Makers, Christian Art Design Education for K-12 homeschool and private school. children, the families. And so my assumption is that art and design narrative

is pervasive. It's arresting the affections of our children. And so while we're being educated, our children are often being stolen away by forms that pervade, that function as glue, that arrest the affections of our children. They go up, I was a university

professor, and I saw it over and over again. Even with good schooling and good teaching, they still were shaped by the images they were seeing. So I also thing that's not neutral. And as you said, a lot of Christian music is pagan. A lot of Christian stuff as mate seems to be deficient. And so I'm just wondering if you have any thoughts about that in the vision that you have for how we see society, reconstructed, rebuilt, culture go forward in a way that honors Christ. How do you see art and design, narrative film playing out?

It's a phenomenal question. So this is one thing I think that the Catholics are getting right and why Gen Z is flocking to the Catholic Church in big numbers. And, again, you should seek to understand this. I'm sure we have some Catholics in the audience, is that they want to go to a beautiful church. They don't want to go to something where it looks like a Lowe's or a Home Depot. I know, I don't mean as a criticism.

This is what they tell me. They say there's beautiful art. It points up. It feels holier. And this is a very aesthetic generation. Aesthetic-driven matters. And so for them, they walk into a Catholic church, church, and they're like, they feel as if there's something to ponder, something to understand.

And again, I say I'm not a Catholic, and my wife was baptized Catholic, but we're obviously evangelical. But I think far too often, we in the evangelical world, whatever that means, we have no emphasis on aesthetics whatsoever, or on visuals, or on art. And I think that's a mistake, actually. I think it's a big mistake, because God designed us with. five senses, including in a soul. And so Christian music and Christian art, it used to be the best stuff of the West. Mozart wrote all of his music to glorify God. It's the first thing he would write on every single composition, from Bach to Haydn. I mean, the best art that has come out of the West was all in the pursuit and the glory of God. I do see this starting to change. I think there's

more Christian movies that are becoming more exciting and that are becoming easier to watch, some of the Christian movies, as you guys know, the last 10 or 20 years are very noble attempts, but they don't always entertain. Let's put it that way. Private student loan debt in America totals about $300 billion. Y-ReFi refinances private student loan debt, and they do not care what your credit score is. Many clients aren't even able to make the minimum monthly payment on their private student loans when they first contact Y-R-R-R-E-F-Y. Go to Y-R-E-F-Y.com. You don't have to ignore that mountain of student loan statements on your kitchen table anymore.

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they want something where all of a sudden they can feel as if they've come in visual and aesthetic. contact with something that lifts them up from a broken and degenerative world. Everything else is bringing them down and they want an all-encompassing experience. You think about at the Catholic Church, you're getting almost all five senses hit, right? You're touching something, you're kneeling, you know, touch the Eucharist, you're smelling, they do incense, right? Obviously, you're seeing something and you're hearing something. You get almost all five senses hit. And then, of course, you're tasting something with, you know, taking the Holy Communion, which, by the way, why we as evangelicals don't take communion so serious,

I don't know what happened with that? Am I wrong? Am I, like, crazy to say that? Like, why we do communion three times a year when Jesus obviously took it seriously? I think that's a mistake. I think we should take communion more seriously. Anyway, that's just me. I know that might sound heretical or whatever, but I think that it's important.

So what I'm getting at, though, you want to know why so many young people are drawn to the Catholic Church, they're getting all five senses where in the rest of the world they get none and everything brings them down. So there's something to that. And I think it's worthy of pondering and worthy of thinking about. Yes, sir. Thanks again for being and Charlie. I really appreciate your work and your visionary leadership. My wife and I were private urban or public urban educators for many years in Kansas City. Really saw the decay of academic rigor and this injection of woke ideology just doing almost doing double harm to our students and the Lord's put it in a heart to start our urban private classical Christian school

in Kansas City we have bold ambitions for it we're serving a demographic who is predominantly single mothers the fatherless rate is through the roof and so for us we don't have the luxury of having kind of the partnership the homeschool them but we expect to have a serious role in disciplining them to raise and equip their children or be godly young people we want to create revival and restore brokenness in our communities and we think the family unit is at this at the the core of that. For us as we navigate that, the tension we're seeing is obviously just first and foremost the cultural capture of the church and how just the idea of what God's design looks like in our communities is completely distorted. And so we're trying to engage in truth

and love with community members to help reset and come back to that while also not coming off as pious or hateful or not loving and gracious. We're already discerning people who are trying to become part of our school who we realize don't align with us on these issues, but we also know that there's a great need and a lot of desire for families to participate in being a part of our school, and we're trying to slowly bring them along and help them adopt this truly conservative and biblical worldview, which we know is going to help our community. And so all of that to say, what is your biggest advice for us as school leaders, my wife and I, who are trying to create, almost reset in our communities to restore these conservative biblical principles when we know

there's so much resistance, and we're not scared of that in the fact that we know we have God behind us, but what approaches can we take to help people not see us as being political, even though we are in that we're fighting on the front lines of biblical conservatism, which obviously leans one way. We don't want to, we don't want them to get distorted and confused by that, but we also want to speak truth in a way that actually brings our community in a way that reflects God's glory more. Yeah, I don't have a full answer. The first thing is you have to be a good example. they have to see in your marriage and with you what you are fighting for. The greatest, the biggest ender of your advocacy in a community that doesn't believe in you is hypocrisy.

If you want to try to win over a community that doesn't agree with you, and they see that you actually don't even, you know, are living what you're telling it, that thing is not going to have any sort of momentum. Secondly, if I were you, I would focus on black men. I think black men are a hidden, forgotten portion of American society that have been just so downtrodden, that have been, and I don't even mean racially, I just mean culturally and economically, one of the greatest surprises for me is how many young black men stop me and that are fans of what I do. And they love it, and it's because it's not a racial thing to have a return to masculinity. So for whatever it's worth, I think if I were you, I would have a heavy emphasis on bringing masculinity back to the black community. That would be my best piece of advice.

Last question, right, Hutz? Yes, yes, Charlie. This is a question. Oh, he's my man. David Goodwin, one of our excellent speakers. David is incredible. The last couple of days. Great friend.

Simple question, Charlie. Why is classical one of your five Cs? Oh, well, classical education. First of all, all the founders were educated classically. And classical points towards an absolute truth. It is not a buffet line of bad ideas. It points towards something. It believes that there is truth in what is ancient, truth in what is everlasting,

and it's not piled on top of this industrial, modern style of education. I'm sure the great David Goodwin talked about this previously, but our model of education is Prussian, it is German, it is industrial, where we are not actually meant to be educated like that. It is not about getting skills. It's about developing characters. So I'll just close with this, guys. Thank you for praying for me and praying for us.

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