The Charlie Kirk Show - The A-List Stars Admit Defeat to Charlie

Episode Date: November 13, 2025

Has Hollywood suddenly become pro-family? Mikey, Andrew, Blake, Daisy, and Alex Clark all discuss the way stars seem to be coming around to what Charlie always said about marriage and kids. Plus, a trove of new Epstein emails have come out. What do they really reveal and who should really be embarrassed? The team reacts. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com!    Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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faith in it i didn't think it was a good idea and it just blew up it turns out i know nothing can you believe it wow i had and now you're like you're now you're like a leading uh ma i mean this has been true for a while so i'm for those of in watching you you guys know this to be true and it's been true for a long time but you are like a leading maha person you're i mean you've been a turning point for years so you're a leading conservative person and influencer and show host and you've just done so so great and i'm we are so proud of you thank you very much guys wow really hard what a welcome actually surprisingly yeah i know you wouldn't think but alas oh we got you there eventually we got to know Alex is the best and she is just she's just wonderful and she's on it she knows

where the movement is going we are going to get into this epstein smear jure job from the Democrats because it's it's important to hit this apps actually uh and it's we're going to be talking about pop you know pop culture with Alex because you know before you were miss maha you were you know like poplittics and you were really focused on you still are are tuned in I'm still tuned in yeah so I have a lot to say about some happenings in pop culture and we're there are some stories that are actually important to understand if you're out there if you're just like a pure politics junkie more like I would call I would consider myself more of like the politics, culture, you know,

sociology junkie. It's kind of like the confluence of where these macrochens are taking our culture. But part of that is what's happening on TikTok and pop culture. And we need to be sure that we're paying attention to this. And we're going to also bring Daisy Phelps from our team in because, you know, she's, she knows this stuff too. Something about ballerina. Ballerina.

Yeah, we're going to talk about Kelsey Ballerini's new song and what it means for the culture. I have that ballerinas. Very deep stuff. Anyway, so I want to get in first, though, with this, what's happening with this Epstein thing. So I actually, I, we were going to bring it up yesterday, but there was things coming out that I wanted to like make sure that we waited on just because I was frankly a little distracted with H-1Bs, which I think is a way bigger deal than what, you know, some emails that the Democrats released. So essentially here's the backstory. James Comer had subpoenaed these documents in, I think in August from the estate of Jeffrey Epstein. so here's here's the deal we so they subpoena these documents they get them during the shutdown and the

democrats end up releasing select emails okay and when they do this and they're redacting the victim's name now the democrats are going to say they they were mandated to do this but these documents already existed elsewhere we already knew who the quote unquote victim was and she was a victim Virginia Guffrey, but we already knew because they were corroborated with other document drops. So we knew this in Virginia Gruffrey, and the emails go like, I want you to realize, this is Jeffrey Epstein, two GMAX. I'm not exactly sure who this is, but I want you to realize that the dog that hasn't barked is Trump victim, Virginia Guffrey, spent hours at my house with him. He has never once been mentioned, police chief, et cetera, et cetera. So, and I believe this, this could be Wolf, if I'm not mistaken, which is a New York Times guy that was basically acted as a consultant.

So you got a journalist, quote unquote, working with Jeffrey Epstein. So another one, victim at Mar-a-Lago, Trump said he asked me to resign, never a member. Of course he knew about the girls as he asked Galane to stop. So, okay, Trump asked, this is from 2019. This is another one they released. And then Michael Wolfe, I think you should let him hang. himself in reference to Trump. This is from 2015 to Jeffrey Epstein.

If he says he hasn't been on the plane or to the house, then that gives you a valuable PR and political currency. You can hang him in a way that potentially generates a positive benefit for you. Or if it really looks like he could win, you could save him generating a debt. Of course, it

is possible that when asked, he'll say Jeffrey is a great guy and has gotten a raw deal and is a victim of political correctness, which is to be outlawed in a Trump regime. So this is what's wild. So we get all of this stuff. Hey, Blake, are you there? Can you hear us? There he is. I don't, I don't know. I'm okay. Is it work now? All right. Excellent. Yeah. We, we're, we're having us. Is it Michael McCoy now? I feel like, I feel like I don't even know him anymore. All right. Hold on. We're going to save that for later. Is that? We're going to save that for later. Um, so basically here's the deal, though, Blake. These emails were selectively released by the Democrats, but the victim we already knew was Virginia Guffrey. And here.

Here's what we know about Virginia Guffrey. They redacted her name. She has exonerated President Trump saying that she never saw him do anything. She actually, her dad is now on record saying that she wanted him to be present because he was going to release the information on Epstein. This is a complete and utter nothing burger from what I can tell. Blake, do you agree? It's not a total nothing burger because what we are also getting is, and this is like really funny, we're getting a lot of other emails. So we're getting, you know, Larry Summers, the former president of Harvard,

and we're getting his emails with Epstein, which if nothing else are really funny. There's a few exchanges that are very funny. One is where he sends a message to Epstein where he says, like, is it true that Donald Trump uses cocaine? And Epstein just replies, hey, could I have Harvard give a guided tour from the development office, the fundraising office? could they give a guided tour of Harvard to this like Rothschild air that I know and he's like oh yeah yeah I could set that up and so that was very funny and then there's also one where it's Larry Summers there's really no other way to describe this he's as a 60 plus year old nail is talking about how he's trying to date this woman and she's giving him these mixed signals and like oh she like invited this other guy it's like reading a like an eighth grader or something talk about women and it's the form of president of Harvard who I can't remember did he get a Nobel Prize in economics something like that so it's not a nothing burger we have a lot of funny emails that we should highlight instead well Larry

Summers was the director of the national economic council and the chief white house economic advisor during Obama so he's not he's not nobody and actually he predicted he predicted rightly that the overstimulation of the economy under Biden was going to spark inflation so he's not a he's not a dumb guy but this is so these are people that Epstein was interacting with at a massive level. But I want to play some of these clips here for us because now we have a ton of new information about just how much of an own this was.

Let's go ahead and play 288. She wanted Trump to be president was because he campaigned on releasing the Epstein files. And she was excited about that. So yes, we talked about Trump a lot as a crusader to release the Epstein files. in that sense? She was very excited that he had made that one of the main planks of his campaign,

and she felt validated by it. But she never talked about him in any sense, that he was involved in any of this. No, no. He was not, as far as she knew, and again, she was there for two-plus years. But as far as she knew, he was not involved in the ring of trafficking that Epstein was working. Yeah. So it's not Guthrie talking herself. at someone talking about her.

So get me the name of who that is, by the way, guys. But this is somebody obviously in the know that knew Virginia Guffrey and basically said she wanted to elect Trump. Trump was not implicated in any of this scandal. And here's when you know it gets really bad for Democrats. CNN is even calling them out. This is Lane Schoenberger, chief investment officer and founding partner of Y Reefi. It has been an honor and a privilege to partner with Turning Point and, for Charlie to endorse us. His endorsement means the world to us, and we look forward to

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He's also spending Thanksgiving at Mar-a-Lago, which Jeffrey Epsom. was banned for Maralago in 2007, which leads to the whole point, is that this all reads as some elaborate hoax. Jeffrey Epstein is obviously lying. He hates Donald Trump because Donald Trump was one of the few people in this elite upper tier of society that basically called him out as the creep in the criminal that he was, banned him from Mar-a-Lago. Alex Clark, what do you think?

Well, that's exactly what I was saying. The whole time you were saying this, I was like, why is he writing this in the emails when everyone in this circle of Palm Beach knows that Trump was like the one person to go toe to toe with him and be like, you're a weirdo. You know, stop, stop hitting on these young girls. And I think President Trump is a father. He's very protective of his daughters. I think he could see him for what he was from the get-go and was very quick to call that out. Well, maybe not from the get-go, but eventually he figured it out.

And Trump, he said he got pissed off because they were stealing his. employees from mara lago he didn't like that and it like creeped him out and he warned him a couple times to like knock it off and get out of there yeah yeah i mean i look that i i keep drawing the line back to 2024 you know they tried to put president trump in jail for 500 years they tried to cripple his empire they tried to cripple him financially they tried to they came after his family try to put his family in jail when none of that worked out they try to kill him that this is like the fifth time on the Epstein stuff with president Trump the walls are closing in but now no no this is really important though like there's

actual work being done i just pulled this up operation dirt dirt bag ice arrests over 150 criminal aliens and sex predators in florida crackdown that was that was today that was this week that that happened so we this administration and president trump are going after actual sex but you didn't hear about it on purpose. You didn't hear about it on purpose. This whole thing is Operation Get Distracted because they lost bad on the shutdown. And so they held this thing. They put it in their pocket. They didn't coordinate with the Republicans on the House Oversight Committee. None of that. They just released three selective emails that all sort of made Trump, like death by innuendo is how Bill O'Reilly's putting. And that's exactly right. Because here we have Galane Maxwell said Trump didn't do anything. You had, I I'm just blanking on it. Professor Dershowitz who talked with Epstein and said, did Trump do anything? No, he didn't do anything. And you had Virginia Guffrey say Trump didn't do anything.

This is all a cheap optics scam. And guess who's running with it? Well, sadly, we have to talk about it because we have to clear President Trump's name. But guess who else is talking about it? All the media apparatchiks across the spectrum, guess what? They're not talking about how the Democrats got absolutely hosed in the shutdown. They dragged the country through the mud for 40 plus. days. Guess what else they did? They lost the economy about 1.5 trillion in GDP just by shutting down

the government. All of that carnage is now they instantly flipped the page like it never happened because they lost bad. Yeah. And we also need to just kind of acknowledge that this is Democrats taking advantage of conservatives in our infighting right now. We have a fractured coalition. There's a lot of infighting on the right. We just got pumbled in the most recent election. We're not looking great coming into the midterms. And so this is this is the left coming in a fragile time for us on the right. But a fragile time for them too, Mikey. That's the point.

Fragile time for them too. So this is them trying to clear up the government shut down L that they took. And then on top of that, this is them trying to take advantage of us and our infighting. All right. I totally agree. But they're the experts at it and they have the media apparatchiks that will play ball. I'm going to play cut 287. This is Jasmine Crockett getting owned on CNN about this, this redaction that was,

completely it was all for show it's just to make it look serious 287 the email right here on your screen um she wrote a book as you know and she did not accuse him of any wrongdoing what do you make of that and can you confirm that yeah i don't know obviously it's redacted who the victim is so i won't necessarily take the republicans word um on who it is that's redacted um and i don't know why they would necessarily redact someone's name who is deceased at this point the democrats did that though the democrats were doubt no no i i understand but i'm just saying like our biggest concern is to actually make sure that we are protecting victims and obviously she wrote a book she told her truth wait so then she's admitting that we're telling the truth that was weird she's like

they're not telling the truth but then like explains that she just that was left coded language she told her truth okay so it's not necessarily jasmine crockett's truth is what she's trying to say but listen she makes my head hurt anytime jasmine crock he gets owned. I'm just, I counted a win. Hey, Andrew Colvette here. Do you want to own a home? The time to act is now.

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she's our resident pop culture expert, you and Emma, you keep us informed. So there's, so this is the theme, which is ironic coming after Jeffrey Epstein, like the most anti-family topic you can imagine. Yet here we pivot to Hollywood, pop culture, and there is a theme emerging, Alex, that some of the brightest stars that are, you know, young stars are now defending the idea of family and they're fighting against this prevalent anti-family messaging that we've always associated with Hollywood. Am I summing it up somewhat accurately here? Yeah, you are. I was so surprised the songs that are coming out, the statements that are coming out from A-list stars, defending having children, slamming hedonism, essentially,

and talking about how they just want to have kids, and there's nothing wrong with it. And in fact, saying it's weird if you brag about not having children. I mean, this is a total complete 360 from the messaging that we've had the last 10 years. And it seems like overnight this year, there's been a shift. Well, and I think, so a couple weeks ago we had talked about when the member called in, there was a new Taylor Swift song about how she just wanted to have kids and settle down, and people were saying that was trad, wife, or alt-right propaganda.

So we had talked about that a little bit, but I think that what's even a bigger story than that, everyone's talking about this Kelsey Ballerini song that just came out. And I texted M&K as soon as this came out, and I was like, I would pay money for Charlie to be able to hear this song, because it's not only someone who, just in Hollywood, is now saying, they focus too much on their career now they want to have a family it's someone who just previously in the last couple of years was saying they didn't want to have a family to had a very public divorce trashing her ex-husband very publicly because he wanted a family and she did so we have

we have that clip of Alex or of um kelse ballerini on I think I got it it's 276 who brought up the idea of divorce first me how did you begin that conversation I was realizing that I wasn't ready for kids and that's a fundamental difference that was something that we had talked about early on and that was something that I was changing on because he was ready he was like I don't want to be an old dad is what he kept saying and I was like I'm not I just like I'm not there yet and I can't do that to like save this and give you something that I'm not ready for like I just can't do that to myself I took him out to dinner and I was like for my 30th birthday I want to freeze my eggs and it was not a good day and I think that was when I was like

there's a fundamental difference here so that was a couple years ago and it was very public and then she put out a song just recently called i sit in parks and it is really sad so i know you've listened to it we have the lyrics yeah this is this is crazy actually so 266 you can throw up the lyrics she said did i miss it by now is it a lucid dream is it my fault for chasing things a body clock doesn't wait for I did the damn tour it's what I wanted what I got I spun around and then I stopped and wonder if I missed the mark And she even in the second verse talks about how she's hitting her vape, but she's dreaming about a nursery with Noah's Ark and Rolling Stone says she's on the right track but she's refilling her Lexapro. So it is completely a one. Like I and we've said this to Charlie for a long time about Taylor Swift.

She's always said that she's wanted this thing. I think this is an even bigger story because it's someone who the complete. opposite was saying that this is what she wants. She wants her career. She doesn't want to be married. Yes. So she's straight up divorced a dude because she didn't want to have kids. For selfish reasons, just selfish, purely selfish reasons. There's no biblical grounds for divorce there, you know, saying you want kids and I don't. Only for a couple years later for her to say, oh, actually, I think I do want kids.

And this is what's so frustrating. Well, now she's dating Chase Stokes. But I think they're back together. Yeah. They were just spotted together again. Which I have a whole theory on that. I have a whole theory on that. I don't know who Chase Stokes is.

Outer Banks, Outer Banks actor on Netflix, big teen drama series. I have a whole, so can I just say something that's really a wild theory about this? They've been dating for three years, broke up like the day after Charlie was murdered. And then now they're back together two months later. My theory, as soon as I saw this, because I believe he had commented something positive about Charlie. And I think maybe it was deleted or something right in those like first few hours after his death. I don't know. Obviously, we don't know for sure. But I have a hunch that maybe he came out and defended Charlie and said that this was wrong and he didn't deserve to be killed. And I think Kelsey freaked out because she is a huge lib and I think she dumped him. And now she's sitting in parks in Nashville and she's watching all these young gorgeous families where the husband is strong and doting on his wife and they look so happy and they're sitting on the blanket playing with their children. And she's sitting there hitting a vape being like, I guess I got to go refill my Lexapro prescription. Wow, this is like super dark and pressing. Maybe I jump the gun on this breakup. So now they're back together. I just wonder if it had

to do a little bit with Charlie. But beyond that, I think this is so, this is such an important story to tell what she's doing because we do not set young women up for success when it comes to motherhood. We should be talking to them when it comes to chasing your dreams and what career you want to have. We should be having these conversations in high school, letting them know, hey, it's okay, you want to chase a career. However, you should know that statistically, statistically you are going to want to have children and that if you have a career when you have children, 65% of women will drop out of the workforce completely once they have kids or they want to go down to part-time. So if you know that statistically going into choosing your career path, choosing

your degree, what career path or what degree would you choose that would be more conducive to motherhood? You have, this is just the majority, this is what it's going to be like for the majority of women. You're terrifying me right now. Why? Because I'm less than two months away from giving birth. Andrew's terrified hearing that 65% of women don't go back to the first. Wait, this stat again, read it back to me. Don't worry. But say that one more two. We have pregnant women all over turning point right now. It's like a, it's a total, I don't know what you want to call it, but it's, it's, we're going to be in trouble in about two months. No, this is a good thing.

It's a great thing. No, it's more babies. Really is. I feel like the luckiest person in the world especially I think we even have the picture when I told Charlie and Erica that I was pregnant 305 if we want to put that up but I I have I've been so so grateful Charlie smiling Erica had asked me the day before and I was like no no because I knew I want to tell them both together so they were both pretty shocked but I just am so grateful because our message is all about families families families but I also have loved and still love my career and so having a boss So it was so ecstatic for both and was so committed to making sure that I could and will still do both is the dream. But most people don't have that.

And so I think it's really important that these huge celebrities like. And Timothy Chalemay is saying bragging about having kids and how much time afforded to them to do other stuff. It's bleak that people are bragging about not having kids. Yeah, Timothy Shalameh, actually, I don't know much about him. I will just say, I think he's super talented. He's 10 out of 10. But also it's actually pronounced Timote. You guys are pronouncing his name wrong.

He is French. I thought he's American. Well, I think he's both. But here's what's important. It's so, is this, this crash course in reality that kind of knocks women on the head once they're in their 30s. If they purposefully chose a life of pursuing career and selfish pursuits above having a family and children, it comes for everybody. Okay. If you're a woman, the clock comes for us all.

And so with Kelsey. she is really it's important to to make sure that she understands that feminism lied to her she she wasn't given true she wasn't really given informed consent on what she was choosing and what she could potentially now there's still time for her to get pregnant and have a family but they weren't honest with her about how you can have it all as a woman but what we're missing when we're talking to young women is telling them it just may not be all at the same time yes and i Erica said that at YWLS this year. That was a big part of her in Charlie talking on.

Charlie would be so fired up on this when you said the clock is ticking. I mean, it's true. It's a biological clock. Everyone has it. But I also think, and that's what we're seeing with Kelsey Ballerino. She's in her 30s. It's also like an emotional clock for women that no matter how much you push it off, push it off, this is something that you were made to do.

And when you purposefully put it off, so when you are not living a godly season of singleness where you are. are dedicating your life to the Lord and you are praying for a future of family and all of that, that's different than purposely choosing singleness, okay, for selfish reasons. When that time comes and you're realizing, oh, snap, like, I have a very small window here to have a family, you are picking a mate then and who's going to be the future husband of your children or who's going to be the father of your children under pressure. You're not going to pick, I don't think, as thoughtful of a partner as you would when you have

more time and you're in your 20s, you know, if God allows and you meet that person in your life. Again, I feel bad for her first husband because he was right the entire time and she blew him off and now look at the mess that she's made. That's sad to me. I wanted to play a clip from Charlie. Yeah, we should. Yeah, it's, this is, this is in September of 2025. So just before he was assassinated, talking about this incredibly important topic to his heart, 253. Children is more important than having a good career. I have two kids. I also have an amazingly blessed career. Our podcast is doing great, but my kids matter way more than how many social media followers that I have. And I would also tell young ladies, you can always go back to your career later, that there is a window where you primarily should pursue marriage and having children. And that is a beautiful thing. This is not about shaming. It's not about ridiculing. It's not about moralizing. It's about lifting up what is beautiful. And by the way, we look at the mental health data. Young women are not okay. Half, that is right, half of liberal white women say that they have some form of mental health issue that has been diagnosed by a doctor. What is the number one thing that mental health professionals will tell you when it

comes to mental health issues? Loneliness does not help. So maybe we should solve the loneliest epidemic by encouraging young ladies to get married and have children. It's good for them. It's good for America and it's good for our future. Boom. I love that. A new Hillsdale College mini-series on colonial America offers a fresh way to think about Thanksgiving. Beyond the food and the political debates, it reminds us what we should be truly thankful for, our freedom, our prosperity, and our faith. In a brand new six-part documentary series, Hillsdale College professors will teach you the religious, the political, cultural, and economic ideas that shaped a uniquely American culture during the colonial period. This Hillsdale course will focus on the forging of the American character

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What did that trigger for you? I think what's important to talk about when it comes to women and this idea of career versus family is that we are told, another lie that we are told by the feminist movement is that you can have a family anytime you want. That is not true. We cannot guarantee that. Even with different fertility technologies, it is not a guarantee that you will get pregnant with IVF. it is not a guarantee that you will get pregnant in any other way. And so you're telling women to wait till the very, very end of their fertility window to then attempt to try to have a family.

Meanwhile, they've had a decade plus on birth control. You have no idea what hormonal issues are brewing underneath because you've been ignoring it and stifling any symptoms that you might be dealing with to let you know something's going on with the birth control. So then when it is time to get pregnant and have a family, you can't. You don't know why. You're spending $30,000 on IVF that may or may not work. It's just when Charlie talked about the importance of family, and I know that made a lot of women sensitive, he wasn't doing it to be a bully. He was doing it from such a good, pure place in his heart saying, I have experienced the best thing in life.

I don't want you to miss it. It was a fatherly loving warning to young women because he loves you so much that he's telling you the truth that culture isn't willing to tell you. And you know what? As much as I think it's frustrating and I disagree with Kelsey Ballerini's reason for divorce, that's great that she made this song because she's being open and honest about maybe I made a mistake

and that could encourage other young women to think twice about their own selfish pursuits and mistakes that they could be making, putting career above a family when you have a very small window to be able to have a family. Wow. Well said. I love, I love, no, but I love what you said that he,

because, listen, Charlie used to complain when he would talk. about this topic because inevitably it would cause this huge uproar and he'd get he'd get write-ups on like on these like pop culture outlets you know that we usually didn't get write-ups on because you know oftentimes it would just be political media that would pick up charlie stories but when he would talk about this it would become this huge uproar and he was and i remember we actually have the clip i it's basically the same thing he said but he went on laura i think two nights before he was killed and he said that and laura threw him this question because

it was becoming like this big uproar again. He's like, you could see him almost like roll his eyes. Like every time I talk about this, Laura, like it because this huge thing. But I love what you said was because it wasn't trying to be a bully. He was trying to say, I want the best for you. And if I don't just tell it to you straight, like, you're not going to like hear it. Because nobody else is willing to do this because of the uproar. I'm willing to take the slings and arrows and this is the truth.

I thought Joe Bob really did a great job yesterday on the show too talking about this. He said, we started dating at 19, got married way later, and we had kids way. later after that. He goes, once I had kids, I realized that how much life just doesn't really matter. And that is what matters in life. He goes, I would sooner go work at a Costco if it meant that I could be with my kids more often. And like, that statement from Joe Bob made me go home until Elizabeth was like, we should get some. Uh-oh. So I'm going to get into this. And I want to bring Blake into this conversation as well here. So Blake, if you're listening, uh, we've got this, this, it's kind of like a viral story. Mikey set it up. It's a wall.

Walmart wedding ring story. Okay, so there's this couple and he buys, it was like a $900 ring from, was it from Walmart? Yeah, from Walmart. He proposes to his, well, his girlfriend asking for her to be his fiance and she says no. And then there's all we get is just this out of context screenshot of text messages. Between that. Okay, that drives me nuts. I'm just going to start by saying that any out of context message, like I will not give too intense of an opinion until I receive more.

more context but I'm Alex you want to kind of discuss this basically these messages to me I can't see them yeah you you had you had them up just like a so the boy says I just got to ask manny I guess that's her girl what happened tonight I've been planning this proposal for over a year you really told me no in front of everyone that crushed me she said it's not even about embarrassing you it's about you not listening I've told you the kind of ring I wanted more than once and you showed up with something from Walmart. He said, so this is about the ring? I still spent $900, regardless of where I got the ring. I put so much effort into this for you, for us. She said, Tyler, if you knew what I wanted and still chose to do what was easiest, tells me that you don't really hear me.

I want to feel chosen, not just proposed to. He said, wow, so everything I just did didn't matter to you, huh? She said, it mattered, but not enough for me to say yes to a forever. I'm not sure you're ready for. I think there's a lot of things happening here. Yeah, go ahead. There's a lot going on here. The number one thing is, the number one problem here is, did the guy post all of this online? We don't know who posted it. The screen shot is from the girl's perspective. Yeah, it's the girl. Oh, okay, okay.

The villain here is whoever, the villain here is whoever posted these screenshots onto the internet. Because when that much of your life is being, when you're thought to something super personal and just super between two people like this is to blast it on the internet. it's just wrong. No, the purpose of this is not to get points for who's right in this argument. The purpose of a potential marriage is not your social media likes or anything like that. And more generally, this is a controversial take I have because I guess he got shot down in public. Maybe this is weird. I don't like public proposals.

Agree. They rubbed me the wrong way. It's making an event out of it when it should be between the two of you. And if they wouldn't say yes in private, then this is not a thing you should do. Well said, Blake. You would hope that the breaking off of a relationship that's serious enough to get to the point of engagement would be a little more heartbreaking instead of, I'm just going to post this online. And we don't know all of the facts. We don't know what happened between the two of them.

But I can't tell if people are upset that the ring is from Walmart or if they're upset that she said no. public or that she's just posting these messages online i can't really tell what the issue is here other than this couple should not be getting married mike mikey has a take that i think will inspire us blowing the break again and so we're going to argue about it well i don't know if i still agree with my old take because blake you the the real you know she her posting this is the problem all right but what if you didn't post it but let's pretend this was just leaked i think from a view here a lot of this is out of context but she probably told her boyfriend many times what she wanted.

And it could have been a $900 ring, but it could have been a very specific cut. And that's probably maybe her personality. Maybe her love language is gifts. And she just really wanted something specific. And it's him not listening to her, having said that 200 times that actually made her upset. Because she does make the point.

It's that you didn't listen to you didn't listen. What do you think of? Well, I'm not married. I don't want to wade into this territory. I feel if you're fixating on, the ring that's a problem like it's not the ring she's not fixing it on the ring she's not fixating on the ring she's fixating on the fact he didn't listen to her so maybe maybe and alex can speak to this like Alex has all silver jewelry on right now I have all gold jewelry on I I know Mikey and Andrew you both went through this when you both proposed to your wives like there is a specific color that each woman wears and if I if Luke had gotten down on one knee and proposed me with a silver ring I still would say yes but I would say hey I've told you a thousand times I only wear gold jewelry I'm not sure where this went wrong

So maybe that goes into it I would have a pit in my stomach If someone proposed to me with a gold ring Because that's not my color And I would have like said a million times But you still would have said yes She means maybe that's the issue What?

You still would have said yes I would have been like yes But I would have this like very like Disturbed part of me That's like is this the man for me If he literally can't listen To the most basic direction And not even listening but like observing you

Maybe I don't know Here's the thing Most couples when they get to this point and their relations. They do discuss the ring. And if he just completely tuned that out and went to Walmart just to get it done and focused on the like show of it, I can understand why she's a little upset. But you don't post the chats. Stop posting text messages that are private for the love. And that goes for all of you out there too. You know who you are. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust. Go to charliekirk.com.