The Charlie Kirk Show - The Epstein Files: What Went Wrong?

Episode Date: June 11, 2026

A big new story has everyone revisiting the Epstein Files saga and how it became an unnecessary source of trouble for the Admin. The show dives in, then covers the DOJ’s underappreciated recovery of thousands of lost migrant children. Sarah Fields explores the fallout from the Karmelo Anthony trial. Georgia gubernatorial candidate Burt Jones joins, and Reform UK spokesman Zia Yusuf explains the protests rocking Britain and his party's plan to finally end Britain’s not-so-great replacement. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com!    Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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half hour. She has been absolutely out front on the Carmelo Anthony verdict on the trial. She was in the courtroom for much of the trial itself. And she has insider information. And it occurred to me that the country is reacting to two different sets of facts. And she's going to break it all down. Because if you listen to the Carmelo Anthony supporters, all you would think is that this is a. an innocent young man who did nothing wrong, self-defense. The facts don't bear that out at all. Let's just be clear. So she's going to help us break that down where some of that disinformation is coming. Then we have Bert Jones, who's running to be the next governor of the great state of Georgia. And then we're going to turn our sights and talk to one of the top members of the

Reform Party, Nigel Farage in the UK, talking about what's happening with Henry Novak, what's happening in Belfast. So much to get into. But I want to start today. on this bombshell new report from the New York Times. It's probably the second such bombshell that has come from Maggie Haberman and Jonathan Swan over the New York Times. They are publishing this as part of a sort of drip feed promotion of their new book. I will tell you, I got a lot of qualms with the New York Times as any conservative would. But Maggie Haberman and Jonathan Swan have done these pieces before, and there has been very little pushback, correction, anything.

They're pretty darn good reporters, okay? I have to say, you may not agree with them, you may not like them. They may be on the enemy's team, if you will, politically speaking, but they come up with the goods and they tend to be fairly accurate, okay? So what is reported in this thing? I mean, I was wrapped. The whole time I was reading this, my mind was going back to the summer, the spring and summer of 2025.

That was a time that I walked through this whole saga with Charlie as we were looking at the way that the Epstein files, if you will, were being rolled out. Now, if you listen to Blake, who's typically on this show with me, nothing really to see here. He's a skeptic. He's a skeptic that there, there, in the first place. What this piece details is the inner workings of the White House top brass to try and figure out how to deal with it. it. And what you see is this fascinating mosaic unfold in the situation room. We're back in the situation room. Remember, this is their last piece was when Bibi Netanyahu came over to pitch Trump on the Iran strikes inside the situation room. Well, we're back there. And they were

having meetings, including Susie Wiles, Taylor Budowitz, one of her deputy chief of staffs, James Blair, J.D. Vance, Todd Blanche, Pam Bondi. All of these. players in the Trump White House. And what you see is a spectrum of trying to understand what to do with the Epstein files. And it ranges from Vice President J.D. Vance saying, let's get everything out there ASAP as quickly as we can to here are some more moderate options. And it becomes this escalating story about how to then release more stuff. What do we do with Galane Maxwell? well, what do we do all this stuff? Now, I tend to be somewhat persuaded by some of Blake's skepticism. Is there or there there? I think there's a lot of there there. We have, you have Bill Gates today

testifying before the House committee chaired by James Comer, oversight, trying to explain and help them with that investigation. He says that he didn't do anything wrong. His affairs are not to be looked at. Nothing there. But this is an ongoing saga because And this is the big because there is energy within the Trump coalition to see maximum transparency with this. J.D. Vance understood that very early on. I'm pretty sure Charlie had something to do with that. Charlie and I talked about this a lot, that the base wanted the Trump 2.0 to be different in every single way when it came to government accountability and transparency. And this article details that. You know who else wanted maximum transparency? was Bonjino. Bonjino's a character in this. You might remember some of the drama that came out

at different points of his tenure as deputy director of the FBI. He wanted to have maximum transparency, but there was other people that didn't seem as convinced that everything should be released. And that ultimately became a tactical misstep here when it came to this. So let me just summarize this for you. So this is part, again, Maggie Haberman and Jonathan's, detail intense internal panic at the Trump White House in the summer 2025. And it's part of their book that's going to come out regime change inside the imperial presidency of Donald Trump. I don't love the title. A DOJ FBI memo released around July 7, 2025, stated there was no client list of powerful men linked to the Epstein procuring underage girls.

It aimed to quell speculation, but instead it sparked massive backlash. And that is something that we have been living through. And let me make this very clear for the audience. When I talk to Turning Point students, when I go out and I talk to regular voters, we go to our local chase the vote, super chase events with just everyday Americans, base voters, guess what they care about. They want to see accountability with Epstein. They want to see big, rich, powerful elites be held accountable.

Some have been held accountable in the court of public opinion. some have been driven out of jobs, some have had to resign, but they want to see actual lawsuits. They want to see charges, indictments. So the DOJ memo comes out trying to quell all of this. Top advisors held multiple high-stakes meetings, often in the situation room, to manage the political fallout, debate transparency gestures like interviewing Galane Maxwell, petitioning to get grand jury. unsealed, grand jury investigation unsealed. It ended up blowing up in everybody's faces. This insight into who was doing what and when and how it was handled is a fascinating one. It's a PR nightmare, obviously, for the Trump administration. Now, do I believe that there is

a actual client list? I don't actually believe that. But one thing that I can say is that, there was video in many of Epstein's locations in his houses and his different properties. What happened to that? But I do believe that President Trump, there's nothing that implicates him directly, maybe some embarrassing moments, but that's fine. Nothing he hasn't dealt with before. But I do not think that the president, if Joe Biden and the Biden administration would have had something on President Trump, it would have been released during the Biden administration.

You bet your bottom dollar, okay? this became a political football that the Democrats jumped on after the MAGA coalition was upset about the way it was handled. I recommend everybody give this a read. It's a very fascinating article, and I believe some people come out looking really good. Some people come out looking like they don't understand the base. And that is the key insight that this strained relationships within the admin, there was trouble trying to navigate it with the public. But the main thing that I want to say is that there is some there there, but it's probably not everything that the base wants. Transparency, honesty.

It all would have been the best policy here. Some were early. Some found out the hard way. I want to give you guys some breaking news. There are hazmat crews at the Pentagon right now. Multiple Pentagon floors locked down, evacuated due to hazardous material incident. What you have right there is a statement from Sean Parnell. She says the Pentagon has sophisticated systems to ensure the safety of the building and its occupants.

Those systems have detected an air quality issue necessitating precautionary measures until we determine its significance. The department is executing standard protection protocol, including a shelter in place order for the affected area. Response teams are in place and ready to support building occupants. So I'm not sure how big of a deal that is. Obviously, we're prayerful that this is just precautionary, that it's, but we're, We're going to be monitoring the situation. Okay. So that is happening right now.

Device picked up biohazard scent. Okay? So a device picked up some sort of biohazard scent. So we are monitoring that. I'll give you more information as we have it. All right, I want to make a couple points here. So we laid out the stakes.

There's panic at the White House over Epstein. You know, they even bring up Charlie and that Charlie got scolded for trying to elevate the issue at Student Action Summit in 2025. I remember it well. I can tell you that much of the reporting is in that instance is pretty accurate actually. I just have to say, though, and this is the part that is frustrating for me. Where was the New York Times and CNN and ABC and all these guys the last four years of the Epstein list and the Epstein files when Joe Biden was president? Where were they? Where were the big exposés? Where were the big exposés? in the articles. They don't care about what actually is happening with kids and human trafficking.

They don't care about it. And I can prove that, and I will in a second. They were in favor of all the things that were happening at the border. They were in favor of the humanitarian, the humane, compassionate immigration that was not compassionate or humane at all. But now suddenly they care about Epstein because they see it as a political football that they can take advantage of. They see it as a way to smear the Trump administration, which is release more files than anybody else. Yes, sometimes they did it under duress and they were kicking and screaming. I totally admit it was bad optics. They should have done it out front and willing.

There were certain voices in the administration that wanted to do so. But if you read this piece carefully, one thing is very clear. They understood they had an optics problem, but they also understood that there was no there there. So what do you do when the world is going to try and smear the president at some PTA, pedophiles, some pito protector is the way it gets smeared on the internet and sometimes IRL in real life. But what do you do when there's no there there? And how do you best handle it? And I will just say they handled it the wrong way many times. And there's been certain voices in the

administration, such as J.D. Vance, that wanted to just get it all out there, be forward-facing, get out in front of it, send it all out. That was the right impulse. That was the right instinct. They don't believe in objective morality, though. The New York Times, these reporters. Where were the stories incensed, outraged, morally indignant at this pedophile Jeffrey Epstein when Joe Biden was president? Nobody even talked about it. The only people talking about it actually were people like Dan Bongino, people like us on this show, people like Charlie. So anyways, apparently morality just sways based on who's in office.

who you can try and sway their votes. They have no moral compass. This is the problem with secular humanism. It is what is the newest thing? What is the latest thing? And I'm going to prove it to you. This morning, Todd Blanche, acting attorney general, and our new DHS secretary, Secretary Mullen,

came out and they had a press conference. And what was the press conference about? It was about the 450,000 missing, smuggled traffic, migrant children that were brought into the country. Play cut 22. We found 146,000 kids so far. 146,000 kids. We still have nearly 300,000 missing. We're investigating reports to where some of these kids claim that they were raped six to 700 times. I don't care who you are. I don't care if you have kids. If you don't have kids, I don't care if you're liberal. you're independent, you're a Democrat, you're Republican.

If you can't stand for law enforcement to go find these kids, who are you? Did you hear that? So the Biden administration and Democrats created this mess at the border, 450,000 missing kids. They've found almost 150,000 of them. There's 300,000 missing still. And the ones they found are reporting back to DHS and ICE and CBP, all these, you know, the Gestapo that actually is saving kids, by the way, and reporting back

to them, they've been raped six or seven hundred times. So all you out there that are complaining about the pito protectors and President Trump, guess what? It's the Trump administration that just saved 150,000 kids from getting raped six or 700,000 times. But it gets worse. Todd Blanche says they have discovered 15,500 super sponsor cases. These are people that smuggled dozens of kids each. So while we're talking about pedophiles and Jeffrey Epstein and 3D chests and 5D chests and all right here at our border, kids were getting raped and molested by grown men, by cartels, by smugglers.

Play Cut 21. Today we are announcing the indictments of three individuals, Maritzza Kauwick Koch, her brother, Carlos Augustin, Kawakakak, and Gladys Marina Kal-Cen. This was out of the Northern District of Ohio. All three are illegal aliens from Guatemala, who allegedly took part in a wide-raging conspiracy to smuggle more than a dozen children into the United States by scamming the system and exploiting the loophole. polls created by the last administration. This is one example, one indictment, but it is not unique. There are over 15,500

super-sponsor cases that we have identified along with DHS. 15,500 super-sponsors, pedophiles, smugglers, rapists, that's the truth. That's the scandal.

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Thank you. Thank you for having me. Yeah. So you have been covering this like nobody else. And everybody should go follow you on X. You have hundreds of thousands of followers already. And you're doing incredible work here. And it occurred to me, you and I spoke briefly on the phone yesterday. It occurred to me that what I am watching in the reaction, especially from Carmelo supporters, is that it's like a whole set of different facts. They are reacting to a case into a set of circumstances that didn't have. So why don't we just start with what did happen, and then we'll get into the reaction. Brass tax, you were in the courtroom, you heard witness testimony, you saw video, what happened

in the murder of this poor young kid in the Metcalf family? My heart goes out to them. What really happened? What really happened to the bottom line is that Carmelho was supposed to be warming up on the track. He then walked away while the rest of his teammates and the rest of the students stayed on the track. He walked over to the memorial tent. He sat down. And then when he was asked to leave because Austin Metcalf had been literally text by his coach that morning and told that he wanted him to take a leadership role and to make him proud.

and all of my reporting includes the details of exactly what was said if you want to ever like go back and look but he had been instructed before that no one under everyone under the tent is supposed to be part of the team needs to be no one else needs to be underneath that tent and it was unusual for them for anyone else that was not part of the team to come sit underneath the tent it was part of their policy it was part of what the coach's instructions were. So he took the reins on this and said, you know, who is this kid? Why is he under here? And of course, Carmelo, you know, said, I'm mellow and that was it.

And they then all chimed in and said, you're not supposed to be under this tent. You need to, you know, go to where you need to be. And by the way, you know, it wasn't even, you know, the defenses, say, to rain and all this stuff. And it was actually determined at one point that it wasn't raining. It was drizzling. And where Carmelo sat under the tent was actually not even completely underneath the coverage of the tent. It was under only half of it.

Yeah. So he's sitting in the back. They're telling him to leave. He refuses to leave. Austin then steps up a row or two and says, you need to leave. And Carmelos said, you know, touch me and see what happens. and at this point his hand is already in the bag, already in the bag. And he said, you know, you need to leave.

And he said, apparently according to several witnesses, he then said, punch me and see what happens. Austin said, I'm not going to fight you at a track meet, bro. He then picks him up. I'm sorry, not picks him up, but apparently he kind of grabs him and pushes him on the shoulder. And then at that point, and according to all the witnesses, it was a slight nudge. It was a slight push. If it had been a harder push, I don't know. Carmelo could never have reacted the way he did.

He would have fallen backwards, right? But instead, it was a slight nudge, and it was an immediate stab. And it was so fast that every single witness that was underneath that tent could not even see the actual stab. And it wasn't until Austin lifted up his shirt and said, he stabbed me, he stabbed me, and said, oh, my, God, lifted up his shirt, and they saw a hole in his chest and the blood running down. It wasn't until then that they realized that Carmelo had stabbed often in the heart. And then Carmel, then apparently walked upwards, ran down the bleachers for a very brief amount of time, and then slowed down again.

And apparently, it would seem that he was trying to blend him with the crowd at that point, and he never left the stadium. That is what happened. according to witness testimony, according to all evidence, including the video footage that was shown by Friscoe ISD. There was no attack. There was no four-minute fight. There was no, you know, arguing for long periods of time back and forth. It happened so fast they didn't even realize what had happened to Austin until it was too late. So it seems like a very cut and dry case of murder, basically unprovoked, completely nonsensical, preventable, unnecessary.

I mean, this should have just been a altercation at a, you know, high school boys fight. And it didn't even get to that point. And yet, Austin Betcalf lost his life. And it's egregious. He is now, obviously, he's been found guilty. And despite all of this, it's still being used for this modern American racial drama by bad actors. But the wrong facts, the wrong details seem to be coming out when you hear people talk, Jasmine Crockett. We'll just use her as case and point. Hear her reaction, and then let's talk about where some of this disinformation is originating from. 29. And what we saw with that verdict is the evidence of a broken system.

A lot of people don't know what it is to live as a black person in this country, but just like you can give the benefit of the doubt to so many police officers when they go out and they shoot some black unarmed person, even though they are trained, the fact that there was little to no mercy scene or humanity scene when this black boy said that I was scared and I should say also Sarah that the mom and dad are now doing

a press tour I don't think they're comporting themselves well at all but again I'll just I'll play the clip so everybody's aware of it so and then I'll get your reaction SOT 26 My son is no murder my son didn't intend

to hurt anyone My son was defending himself, and that's why I hurt so bad. We were delusional. We thought we was going to get a fast shake. Everyone actually lied on the stand. Everyone. All of the witnesses' statements were inconsistent. All of them.

He was convicted when he walked out of the jail. If you looked at the news all at you, he was already convicted. If you look at it, it was already, it was already done. It was no innocent to proving guilty. He was already guilty. People on the news. dead. After they still got what they want.

Yeah. After they still got what they want, they still want it dead. You see I go look at my phone? People want us dead. They want our family dead. So, Sarah, these facts, they are clear

in this case. And yet it seems like the black community is not getting the same set of facts that we are. What's going on here? They know, they know the facts. And first let me, let me, talk about Jasmine Crockett. She said unarmed black men, right?

First of all, Carmelo was armed. Austin was the one who was not armed. Second of all, I watched that interview with Crockett, and she was talking about how this was just a small multi-tool, you know, and it wasn't even a real knife. At the end of the day, it was a deadly weapon because it was used to kill Austin Metcalf. Also, what's crazy about this is that the multi-tool rumor

has been spread for nearly a year. And it just kind of goes to show their mindset because they think that if it's not a vicious looking weapon and somehow it's not a weapon. But if you run somebody over with a car, that car becomes a deadly weapon. And I just think it's interesting that she finally gives this interview talking about

how it's a small multi-tool, but she gave this interview after the facts of the case about the knife had already come out in trial. They had already shown a photo. Sorry, I can't remember what she's called, but she's the person who draws the pictures while she's in the trial room.

She actually drew a very accurate depiction of the knife. The knife didn't look anything like a small multi-towel. It looked like a hunting knife. So the fact that that information had already come out and Jasmine Crockett is still being dishonest tells you what their mindset is these people are liars and no the um the anthony family the parents this is not going well for them because they keep claiming my son's not a murderer they they have shown absolutely no remorse and absolutely no sympathy for the metcalf family whatsoever they

don't care that austin lost his life they just are professional victims and like i said this is kind of you know this is backfiring in their face and their liars drew Drew Anthony is a liar. He has literally assisted some of these activists with spreading rumors about people in order to try and paint themselves in a good light and paint the Metcalf as these bullies and these horrible racist people. Sarah, can I just tell our audience right now that's watching this? Please realize that Sarah, we have to do this by phone right now because if we did this by video, there are death threats and doxying threats and all this against Sarah because she's been covering the case accurately. And there's people that don't like that.

And so that's why we're doing it on a phone so we don't give away your location right now. And I want the audience to understand that. I sure learned something from this. I learned to tell my sons, if a white boy do not argue with no white boys. Because baby. Ain't no law protecting you if something goes down with them. That's what I learned from this case. I'm going to tell my sons, if you are you with a white boy, walk the way because the law don't protect you.

It just, like, mind-blown. Boggles the mind. You know what? Sarah? You know what's funny about what she just said? She just said she would teach her son to walk away. That's interesting. So the justice system worked here.

I mean, that's my take place, Sarah. I'm flabbergack. Yeah. Yeah, the justice system works here because Carmillow didn't walk away. Yeah, by holding a murderer accountable, guess what? Cardi B learned a lesson. You should walk away and not stab somebody. You shouldn't murder people.

Sarah, your reaction. If he had been acquitted and he had walked away from all of this, it would have sent a message across the world, across this country, that you can stab someone for pushing you. That you can run into someone in Walmart and if you don't like it, then you can stab someone. You know, when we watched the Frisco ISD footage

and you know, they've lied about that from the very beginning, it started the very first week. You know, he was attacked by four boys and, you know, the fight went on for a long time and Hunter was involved, even though Hunter was never involved. So many rumors, so many lies, just outright, even after they actually had some of these people who lied actually saw the footage at Frisco ISD, and they would see it through Open Records Request, and they put their names onto this list and said,

see, here's the list from Open Records Request, I saw the footage, so I know what I'm talking about, and then they would proceed to lie. And I saw the footage as well, and I'm over here thinking, did we see the same video? But in the trial, they enhanced that footage, and you literally see two figures. You still can't even see their faces. You see two figures kind of go backwards and pop back up right at the same time, and then one fall and one run. There was no fight.

It was just, you know, one individual falls somewhat backwards, pounces right back up, and then that's when he stabbed him. But they've done nothing but lying about what they saw. This is the part that's most fascinating to me, Sarah. is so you saw all the evidence all the information all the witness testimony you saw it you documented it brilliantly on your on your ex and thank you i am serious if people need to follow sarah on social media please because uh she did a incredible job heroes work here and yet and we talked about this briefly on the phone yesterday sarah you said a lot of this is getting propagated on social media

There's a certain number of accounts that are pushing out a vast majority of this disinformation. And by the way, I can attest on social media. Some of the stuff that I've dealt with after Charlie's assassination, it's a handful of accounts that push out the vast majority of disinformation. And then it confuses everybody. So what are we seeing in this case that's pushing out this alternate reality, this alternate set of facts? Yeah. So I literally watched this happen in real time. very early on an individual by the name of Tiffany Billions,

aka Tiffany McAdoo. That's her real name. She actually ended up getting suspended on Facebook because she docks my kids. She docks to my family and Facebook suspended her for that. But then she went over to TikTok and it was originally her and she claimed to be an advocate for the family that was spreading all these rumors about how he was attacked very detailed. misinformation. He was attacked by four boys. Carmelo faux backwards. He crab walked backwards.

It was just the very detailed descriptions of an absolute fantasy that didn't happen. And then slowly little by little up until now these exact things that she first started to say is now being spread by large accounts and yeah, very select accounts online. Another one is Dominique Alexander who's if we've done nothing but turned this into a race issue. Tiffany turned this into a race issue as well. They also did everything they could to discredit everything that I said. Everything that I have said about this case from the very beginning since day one has been 100% accurate, everything.

And pretty much everything that I put out was backed up with documentation. So they would do their best to discredit me by either going after my past. They would go after my family. They would say that I received the documents illegally, which was, false. They said that my documents weren't real, that I fabricated them. It was crazy to watch them do this. But yet everything they said had no evidence. Of course. Of course. It's all just rumor innuendo. It's made up garbage. It's lies. And here's what's sad about this. There's this whole trend on social media right now where black men are going up to random white people,

many of whom are homeless, by the way, and assaulting them. I saw. And they're are warnings. We played a clip yesterday on the show of men saying, you better not go out of your house this weekend, white people, because you're just, you're going to get, you're going to get beat up. You're going to, who knows what else, what worse can happen, right? They might get killed. So, so this race drama that's been concocted on social media by liars and bad faith actors and race hustlers is that now spilling out into real life. And the, the thing that, that is like, mind blowing to me is that the case was so egregious against the evidence was so against Carmelo Anthony that not even Al Sharpton and Ben Crump

that the classic race hustlers, race baiters, they don't even think it's worth putting their name to. And yet it's still becoming this racial drama. This is an amazing microcosm of a modern problem that we are dealing with in this country where you can just lie on social media, distort the facts, and guess what? Sarah now has to call into the Charlie Kirk show

so we don't find out her location and that the people that want her bad things for her can't figure out how to hurt her that's what we're dealing with yeah it's tragic one minute sarah the floor is yours um i just want to i honestly just want everybody to just pray for the metcalf um regardless even though the gag order is listed now they um these people know where they live these people know who they are they they are being watched I'm being watched. You got to understand that the Anthony's have not been swatted. They have not been threatened, but the Metcalf have been swatted.

I've been swatted. You know, Megan and Jeff was swatted six times. And, you know, when I did my, yeah. And so when I did my interview with Jeff last night, I'm so glad that he finally got to say every, you know, he finally got a load off his chest because I can't imagine having to be quiet while my murdered son is dragged through the mud. And I unfortunately, I don't, I don't think this is over. I think they're going to have to take a lot of precautions. A lot of us are going to have to take a lot of precautions because these people have shown themselves to be violent. They are being incited.

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he's turning point action endorsed he won the initial primary now we're at the runoff which happens on tuesday so we wanted to let him explain to the audience why he's the right choice, which we believe, of course. Bert Jones. Welcome, Lieutenant Governor, Bert Jones. Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. Yeah, good to be with you, Andrew, and I appreciate you having me on today. And yeah, we're early voting right now, and elections on Tuesday. And so we're just crisscross of the state. So we're joining you from an outpost here here in South Georgia now. So for those who are obviously in Georgia, we want them to go vote, Bert Jones, early voting started. And then the runoff is on Tuesday. So everybody, mark your count, is a big, big day in Georgia.

So explain the dynamic here, okay? You had a crowded field. It was about eight candidates in the primary. You took the top spot. You got the Trump endorsement. I want to proudly say that turning point action was one of the first groups that endorsed your bid for governor. And we're honored to do that. And we're proud of your performance and how you've handled this race so far, sir. So good on you. What are we looking like? like right now? Who are you up against and what are the stakes? Well, I mean, you know, number one, I appreciate the endorsement. Turning Point USA, you know, we were honored to get the endorsement early on. Obviously, you know, we did a lot of hard work back in the legislate session to get

the first Turning Point USA piece of legislation passed in the state of Georgia. And I think it was the first of its kind in the country that would allow, you know, groups to organize and high schools and as well as universities without being discriminated against for their political or religious view. We appreciate all the help you gave us on that effort right there. This election, we had eight people in the race, and obviously we finished first in that election a couple of weeks ago. But now we're up against a guy who's really not a conservative guy, but he's got a billionaire healthcare executive. That's been spending a lot of money probably north of we think around $200 million. Now, if you can believe that, the state of Detroit.

That's like Tom Steyer-level funding in California. Yeah. Give you a good indicator, the last gubernatorial race in all, primary and also general, was a little less than $20 million. So that's where we have, he's obviously trying to buy the election. We have the Trump endorsement, and we have a teletown hall with the president's night, which we're very excited about. And, yeah, feedback on the, on the grounds is very good.

And we like our chances on Tuesday, but people do have to get out and vote. We obviously in a runoff like this, that's going to be the key is turning your people back out. Well, like said, go ahead. And you've got, I mean, I'd love your platform going through it. I mean, this guy, this Rick Jackson guy, health care billionaire entrepreneur, whatever, tens of millions, hundreds of millions, including loans of over 80 million. spending against you.

Okay. So he's given himself loans, given his campaign loans. But your camp, so one of the things I'm really passionate about, and I hope Georgians are internalizing this because I'm living in Arizona. I came from California.

The school choice that Governor Ducey, you know, Governor Ducey, people like and people don't like them, whatever. You know, now that we've got Hobbs here, we'd love to have Ducey back. I can tell you that much. But he got school choice done. And that is one of the central planks of your platform.

I know we talk a lot about immigration and social issues and taxes and also. Maybe just spend a minute there on school choice. I think it is the key. I think it is the key to unlocking this, the Democrat super PAC that's known as the teachers' unions, breaking that back and the funding mechanisms and giving families and the inner city families, poor families more opportunity. Please just tell Georgians right now, tell the country, tell Georgians why that's so important to you. Well, yeah, obviously, look, we have, we've been trying to get school choice passed here in Georgia for over a decade now.

And we were able to get it done under my first, obviously, lieutenant, first year as lieutenant governor. And it was a, it was a tall order. It was not an easy feat, but it was the right thing to do. We passed it and literally not even advertising or promoting it. We had over 10,000 families on the first day that it was available, signed up wanting to, wanted to participate. because obviously, look, you've got to be, we're always for public education. I'm a public public education. You have to support it and we have to do everything we can to improve it.

But not every public school system is the perfect fit for every child. And whether that is the case, parents, there's nothing more, you know, for a parent to not be able to have other choices for their kids when they're struggling in school. there's nothing that makes you feel more helpless than that situation. So this school choice, a measure that we passed, gives parents more options, and it gives them the opportunity and gives these kids the opportunity to really succeed in an education arena of their choice. That's right. And I've seen so many kids that have, we have had the opportunity to move school systems and they're thriving in the new school systems that they're in.

And you're exactly right. It is the key to get a lot of crossover vote, people who have been historically maybe independent or Democrats. We've had them come back, come to us now because we're giving them options out there. That's great. And it is in basically in the metro areas where you do have some failing inner city schools, when these parents have this opportunity and they're taking advantage of it, it's kind of, it is very heartwarming to see the success a lot of these kids.

It is. And I think it's interesting, too, because the winner of the runoff on Tuesday is going to be going up against former Atlanta mayor, Keisha Lance Bottoms. So that's going to be, I think, a big recurring theme and something that you could stand out with. Listen, we've got a minute and a half left here, Lieutenant Governor. I could ask you lots of questions, but what are the issues that Georgians can, care about that you're hearing. Is it election integrity? Is it immigration? What are people most fired up about on the ground? Well, I mean, it is a cost of living. And we are trying to tell them,

you know, right now, explain to them. We're cutting income tax. We've done it four years in a row. We're going to continue to get there until we continue to cut it until we get to zero. We're cutting homeowner property taxes. We froze those as fast legislative session. We will continue to cut property taxes for homeowners. That's a big issue. Obviously, and public safety is a huge issue. And those are things that we've been very strong on. That's why we have almost 100 sheriffs from across the state of Georgia who are endorsing us.

And look, and I'm the only conservative in this race, quite frankly. This guy is a closet Democrat that I'm running against, and I give us the best chance to win. Keisha Lance Bottom was the mayor of Atlanta. She was a horrible mayor, quite frankly. We had crime in Greece. We had literally riots in the street while she, She was mayor, and now she wants a promotion.

But if we don't select the right person to take her on, and I know I'm that person, then we could very easily lose that seat. And so this election is very important. So all your Georgia listeners, and I know you have plenty of them, they need to get out and vote and vote for Bert Jones today, tomorrow, and on Tuesday the 16th. Let's do it. Georgia, rise up, get the only conservative in this race across this finish line

so we can make quick work of the former failed mayor of Atlanta. Bert, we have your back. You've been a great lieutenant governor. You are the true conservative in this race. That's why we got behind you so early. That's why the president is behind you. That's why he's doing a Teletown hall with you. God bless you, sir.

Get it done. We know you're working your tail off to do it too. So God bless you. Thank you, Andrew. Appreciate you having us on and appreciate all the support that Turning Point has given us. Absolutely. We're honored to do it, sir. God bless you.

I want to talk about Iran. We kind of skipped over it because in the first hour, I know there's a lot of new activity and action going on, kinetic strikes happening, Tomahawk missiles being fired. I think the president said it best when he said, this is the most violated ceasefire in the history of ceasefire. So at this point, I understood that, you know,

maybe some action needed to be taken because Iran's got these rogue elements, these, you got the moderates versus the more hardliners. and they're at war with each other inside Iran. The command and control is broken down. The leadership is broken down. The communication's broken down. And so you've got different factions that want different things. And so it's a vacuum, a void within the power structure of Iran that's forcing these deliberations and these negotiations to be very, very frustrating, very tough to navigate.

But what's fascinating about this story, I have to say, what's actually more fascinating to me is not really the, play-by-play of who's striking what and who's doing what, where, is that President Trump said, we're going to strike them again tonight. We're going to hit Iran again tonight. And you would think with that as the backdrop that the stock market would collapse, that there would have been a huge sell-off on Wall Street, people would be freaking out, hair on fire. But that's not what happened. You can see right there, the Dow Jones is up. The S&P 500 is up. It's almost like this has all been baked into the cake already. We're not reacting to the beat by beat, play by play day by day action that's happening in Iran. We understand it's sort of a deton. It's sort of a stalemate. We're controlling

the straight. There's a blockade. Iran is not getting their oil revenues like they want. They're upset. And the president is sort of saying, I can do this as long as you want, guys. And if you guys are going to mess around, we're going to hit you back. We're going to bomb the, you know what, out of That's what he says. So it's a fascinating back and forth. It's people are ready for this to be finished. There's no doubt. I'm ready for it to be finished.

Our students at Turning Point are ready for this to be finished. And President Trump seems to be signaling in an interview he had this morning that he's not sure. He said, listen, if it was up to me, which it is up to him, but if he was just going by his own instincts, I think he'd go the whole way. I think he'd decapitate the regime. He would do full regime change because he's just sick of dealing with these people. But he's said, I don't think the American people have the patience in the stomach and the appetite for that which I would be up for. So it's this weird dynamic where the American people are saying, I want this war finished, but they've already kind of moved on. The markets have already kind of moved on.

We're sort of just used to this being in the background. So what to make of it? In a weird way, it's almost like the American people have grown more patience by becoming disinterested in the top. topic altogether. Social media has grown disinterested. It's not the same energy that happened when these strikes initially were launched. So what do you even make of it? Well, what we make of it is that we want to make lemonade out of lemons here. We've said on this show many times, and it bears repeating. You can often, you can start a war when you want to, but you can't end it when you want to. The Iranians get a say here. So,

Now we're talking about Karg Island. President Trump wants to take over it. I'm going to play a couple clips just so you can get the actual sound from the president of how he's talking about this. So this was yesterday talking about how he'd like to make a deal. It's not 36. Oh, I'm talking to, Joe. Hey, I'd sort of like, I mean, I'd like to get a deal now less than three or four weeks ago. Because, you know, once you do this, I just, you could just go a step further.

Go a step forward. He'd like to make a deal, but he's not going to be messed with. SOT 37. I posted this morning about Iran and you said that they've taken too long to get to a deal. I want to make sure I quote you correctly. You said that now they will have to pay the price.

What did you mean by that specifically? Well, we're going to be attacking them and attacking them very hard. Resuming line? Yeah, well, we are. Based on the helicopter, I guess we have the right to do that. And the reference to the helicopters, there was an American Apache helicopter

that was shot down while it was patrolling the straight. Both pilots were covered. Everything's good there, but Trump's like, We're going to hit you back. President Trump continues. SOT 32. It's one of those things. They have no defense.

They can't do anything about it. The only thing they have is fake news. You know, they have the New York Times, write stories like they're doing great and they're not. They've been wiped out. But, you know, you read the New York Times and you read the Wall Street Journal, which is so fake. I mean, I know you guys own it,

but it's a real piece of garbage. And you read the Wall Street Journal. It's like, you know, they did an edit. editorial today about we're not hitting them hard enough. I mean, it's just not hitting them hard enough. We dropped $250 million worth of bombs on them last night. The whole thing is crazy. And they're really in submission. They just don't know it yet. And I think that's probably true, actually. But their leverage is the Strait of Hormuz. But it's just fascinating that the markets have moved on, the people have moved on,

and Trump's talking about taking Carg Island. There's a really funny. story that President Trump, I think he's taking a page out of the Somali Pirates playbook, and he's now saying he's been stealing Iranian oil. He's like a pirate Trump. He's taking the oil. I just find the whole thing to be an interesting observation about the lack of attention span of the American people. So how worked up are we supposed to be about this? Now, Carg Island, for those of you who don't remember is a strategically important island off the coast of Iran that handles a lot of their shipping of fulfillment and of oil and getting energy out of Iran. So if President Trump wants to take the island, which apparently he does, then that would be one more leverage point exerted over

the Iranian regime. So here we are. It's a stalemate. This is, you know, I don't know where this is going to go, but this is, again, I want to make one thing very clear. I am for this ending. This would be a home run if we can get a deal with Iran. Sometimes you got to hit back. You got to do peace through strength. You got to show the strength. But this is one of the reasons. I mean, when people say to pollsters, hey, the economy is better under, was better under Biden than it is under Trump. That just proves how short our memory spans are. It's a wild, wild time we live in. Good conversation is about respect. It's how we create a space where people are able to share their ideas and be heard. Charlie knew that. Turning point still knows that. And,

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halfway across the world. TikTok is a place where respect opens the door for discussion and discussion helps us build something real. All right, joining us now is Zaya Yusuf. He's a Reform U.K., he's with Reform U.K., with Nigel's party there. He's the Shadow Home Secretary. So a really, really amazing guest that knows all about what's going on over there. Zai, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. It's good to have you. Thanks for having me. Pleasure to be here. So I was watching some clips of yours. You were doing interviews with British journalists, and I'm always so struck by something that to my mind is so obvious,

so common sense, that when you look at the Henry Novak situation, poor guy, he gets handcuffed when he's the one who's been stabbed. Obviously, there's a racial element. And I'm watching you have to spar with these journalists that are white. You're obviously not. And they're telling you that that's a racist thing to notice, these race action plans. I have to say, I was shocked to watch you, and you navigated it brilliantly. You were a gentleman.

You're doing a great job. But let's start there, because that leads into the Belfast story, is you got this Henry Novak situation that I believe is endemic to the way that the Brits are looking at their immigration problem. Explain that for our audience and why it's such an important issue for the British people. Sure. So look, poor Henry Novak was stabbed repeatedly by a Sikh man. And what happened then was the murderer's family called the police and claimed that poor Henry had been racist to the murderer. And when Hampshire police turned up on the scene, Henry said repeatedly to the attending officers that he had been stabbed. The police officer responded. And we know all of this. I'm sure many of your viewers would have seen the harrowing body cam footage. The police responded with the words, quote, I don't think you have, mate. And the last words Henry heard on this earth were his rights being read to him by Hampshire police as he was handcuffed as he bled as he bled to death. Now, the British establishment, the media establishment, the political establishment, including the so-called Conservative Party, have been at pains to say, don't politicize this. This is an aberration. This is a one-off. The total opposite, by the way, of everything that is a conservative party, have been a bit of everything.

they said post the death of George Floyd. But what I made the case for is that this is an obvious example of anti-white prejudice that is embedded within the code of conduct of British policing. This is important for your views to understand. The race action plan in British policing, a core part of the code of conduct, which tragically and ironically was actually brought to bear again by the so-called

conservative government and cites George Floyd's death as the reason for its existence explicitly demands the British police officers do not not treat people the same. That's a direct quote. Do not act in a colorblind fashion. That is a direct quote. And quote, prioritize offenses that cause most harm to ethnic minorities.

Now, if you demand that of police officers and then you say that there will be, quote, zero tolerance for any infractions of this code of conduct, I'm afraid what we saw on that body cam footage, as horrifying as it was, is a direct logical conclusion of that code of conduct where the accusation of racism was taken more seriously than the accusation of having been stabbed. And this is the point that Nigel Farage has been making. You know, Nigel then did a live stream of an emergency broadcast when that body cam footage was released as a result of our pressure. And he said, look, white lives matter just as much as black lives. And I think the interview you're talking about there, you know, that was put to me. Well, Nigel Farage says,

white lives matter. This is a clarion call of white supremacist. So what Nigel said was white lives matter as much as black lives. And I asked the interviewer who was white, do you agree with that statement? And I think I asked her six times, and she refused to answer at all, let alone in the affirmative. So look, what I will say is

the percentage of the British population that believes that there is too tear policing to the detriment and prejudicially against white people in Britain, that has doubled in the last two years. alone. The British people are waking up to this. This is why reform is led north of 300 opinion polls now nationally in a row, why if a general election happened tomorrow, the odds are Nigrafraj would be the Prime Minister. But we should make no mistake that the hour is

very late indeed. Britain is buckling under the pressure of mass immigration, under two-tier policing, and we're seeing it throughout all of our great institutions, Wokery, DEI, a lot of the things that have, you know, you talk about on your show all of the time. have absolutely afflicted Britain too. I would argue though that if you look at immigration, for example, our problem is even more acute potentially, because if you were to look at the record of the so-called conservative government

over their 14 years that finished in 2024, they shipped in 12 million people legally during those 14 years. And that's the equivalent to the fifth of our population, Britain's obviously a much smaller land mass and a much smaller population. And most of those people did not come to Britain on work visas. So look, I'm not a career politician. I used to be an entrepreneur. I'm in politics

because I believe Britain can be turned around. The hour is late, but things can be done. But we're going to need such a radical root and branch overhaul of our institutions that it's going to take a new insurgent party like reform and a leader like Nigel Farage to deliver that. And I, you know, the hour is late. I think it grieves my heart. It used to grieve Charlie's heart. One of his last trips he ever took was to the UK. And to see London. so transformed, ethnically, demographically, culturally, and to see a great people be so cowed by accusations of racism or this wokeery, as you call it. It really troubles our hearts across the pond. And it warms our hearts when guys like Nigel and yourself are speaking up

loudly and unapologetically about something that should be common sense. You're so obvious. And yet that's why I get enraged when I see your interviews having to do. defend such common sense concepts with these British journalists. They're so, they're 20 years behind. And it's just wild to, it's wild to me. But what's happening in Belfast is another thing. So this, this was sparked by an attempted beheading by a 30 year old Sudanese man named Hadi al-Audid. And he allegedly stabbed a 44-year-old local man named Stephen Ogilvy. Multiple times, the bystanders had to come and knock this guy with a shovel to his head to keep him from beheading this native-born son of Britain from this Sudanese man.

Now you're seeing riots. Okay. Now, I'm not in favor of burning things down. I'm not in favor of violence of any kind, but I'm in favor of righteous anger when the system has turned against its native-born sons and daughters like it has in the UK. So I'll let you describe what's going on and what you think needs to happen. I think anger is the operating word. And yeah, look, let's just, to the degree this is going to get clipped up by bad faith actors, let's just put it out there. Of course, we condemn violence of all of these sorts, right?

It goes without saying. But British people are angry. Many are furious, quite correctly, because, you know, this is a British public that have voted for less immigration in five consecutive elections, if you include Brexit. And what were they rewarded with? They were rewarded with such an unfathomable amount of immigration. immigration that it beggars belief. And this Sudanese man was in Britain.

He was granted something called indefinite leave to remain, which is this insane, completely mad, I think, status you can have as a foreign national, which allows you to stay, quote, indefinitely in the country, legally, and you get lifetime access to our extraordinarily generous welfare state, including our national health service, including welfare, if you choose, you don't want to work.

And nobody vote. voted for this. I mean, people, not only do they not vote for it, they voted against this repeatedly. And this is why, again, I want to emphasize, as much as terrible as Starma is, all of the things that, you know, you hear about Stama, they are true. But Stama's only been in power for a couple of years. The things that you are seeing on your screens are directly downstream from the actions of the so-called conservative government, which is why reform was created and why we've already now supplanted them as the primary electoral force on the right of British politics. And in particular, if you look at this man, look, you know, I tweeted out the other day,

just a couple of days ago, you know, that some cultures are much better than others. And even that, you know, the Overton window is moving. If we're unwilling to say that our culture is better than others, then what on earth are we all here to do? And I got a lot of criticism, particularly from the left as a result of that. And, you know, you described some of these journalists as sort of being 20 years out of date. maybe some are, but that ascribes a certain level of good faith to them. And some, I'm not going to say the entire media about faith. I didn't mean to describe any good faith to them.

Yeah, but I'm afraid many of them are absolutely. I don't describe them as journalists. I describe them as activists. Right. They are, they are, just as you have here in America, again, I don't, on a tar, everyone with the same brush, not all of them, but many are, they have an agenda. And then when somebody turns up and says things that are demonstrably true,

then it sort of blows them. mind and I think some of those clips you're talking about that went viral you know the one I did with Kathy Newman where I kept asking her does she agree that white lives matter as much as black lives and she could not even answer yes I asked her five times when she asked whether you know Nigel Farage was quote inciting violence by saying the British people are right to be angry having watched the body cam footage of poor Henry's death I asked her did you watch the footage she said yes I said how did you feel as a human being right and eventually she admitted that she

was angry about it right so look you know Again, I want to emphasize the hour is late. I'm not here to say that Britain is beyond repair. I wouldn't be doing this if I believe that. But I am, my heart is warm by the fact, as I said, reform has led north of 300 opinion polls in a row. Millions of people in the country share our views. And as you just said, it's going to take,

I think this is the battle of our lives, the battle of our generation. I'm speaking to the Heritage Foundation this afternoon, speaking about saving Britain, saving the West, our last chance. I think this is the battle of our lives. And, you know, it's going to take people telling the truth courageously as much as we can and making the case to our respective electorates to ensure that in the injustice is done. And if we do that, I do believe we can have a great outcome for Britain.

I think that, you know, the corollary to how horrific all these things are. I mean, if we removed the structural racism that exists against white people from the police code of conduct, for example, that would be a start, wouldn't it? want to give a shout out to Nigel. Nigel has been banging the drum on this stuff for years. And this is where I want to get into. You mentioned it briefly about deportations, remigration, whatever. I can only imagine the uphill battle that we had in the United States of moving the Overton window about the way people talk about it, think about it. If you think back to Trump 1.0, there was all this drama about a wall, building a wall. They wouldn't give him the money to build a wall. Now the wall, we don't even talk about it. It's getting built. It's not even controversial anymore.

But I can only imagine in the UK, thinking about some of these interview clips I've seen you do, of just how explosive of an issue it is going to be with these 12 million migrants that have come in under the Tories, which is just amazing, the so-called conservatives. I have been hearing, if you go online, I'm told that, you know, restore UK, they're the real hardliners. You guys are a bunch of weaklings when it comes to immigration. What is the truth? Well, look, firstly, the... The concept of the mass deportation of people in the country illegally is a majority position

amongst the British public, right? So that's the first thing to say. There is widespread support for that now. The second thing to say is, you know, last summer, me and Nigel stood up and did a big press conference under a huge union jack flag and launched what we called Operation Restoring Justice. And that was a plan to deport all illegal migrants in Britain. Now that is the first time any major political party, let alone one leading in the national polls had made such a commitment. We announced that we'd create a whole new agency called

UK deportation command, it was just a one mission, which is to detain and deport every illegal migrant in Britain. So we can be clear about that. Now, that's the first part. That deals with the illegal migrant problem, which is somewhere between 1.2 and 2 million people in Britain who were there without permission. But then you have people who came to the country legally under this program, you know, this indefinite leave-to-remain program. So then we announced And we're the only political party in Britain, full stop, who have announced this, that we would abolish indefinite leave to remain altogether. We think it's crazy that you can be a foreign national and get full access to our welfare state and our health service. And we would introduce a work visa that is a very high bar, meaning if you're not a net contributor to Britain to the British economy, you're not going to get safe.

If you don't speak proper English, you don't get to stay. If you commit crime, you don't get to stay, which, I mean, maybe you tell me, but we think that's a pretty reasonable position, that you contribute economically, that you don't commit crime, and you speak good English. And so we've announced that we would abolish that. Now, obviously, a lot in the left-wing media lost their minds about that, too, but I think it's an extremely reasonable position. And I've also made the case that, you know, if you went for dinner at somebody's house, just because you entered their house legally, it doesn't mean you get to stay forever. You know, I'm here in your studios. It doesn't mean I get to stay here forever. But the idea that just because you entered a country legally means you get to stay forever is such a ridiculous concept on its face that the argument needed to have been made.

Now, if we add all of those numbers up in terms of what we are saying would need to happen, we're talking about millions of people ultimately who would lose their either be forcibly an enforced removal or lose their eligibility to stay in Britain. And look, I was an entrepreneur. The majority of the revenues of our company when we sold it came from America. I've spent a lot of time here. I came in on a renewable visa. And the moment I no longer qualified for that visa, I would have known that I'm not welcome to stay in America anymore. So all we're trying to do is say,

look, Britain needs to be a serious country. And to answer your question about who are the real deal, Nigel Farage has dedicated almost his entire adult life to this. He was talking about the appalling grooming gangs decades ago. He had a huge billboard that had breaking points. on it and depicted an enormous number of migrants coming to Britain and paid, you know, an enormous cost for making these arguments years and years and years to your point before the Overton window moved.

And now it's a, you know, that sort of a billboard wouldn't even raise an eyebrow. Nigel has moved the Overton window. He's dedicated his life to this. He came out of retirement, by the way. That's why I'm in politics because he came out of retirement and dedicated himself to this. So, you know, in the end, voters are going to have to make their own minds up. but there is no party that is a more hardline position with regards to borders, with regards to deportations than reform in the UK.

I want to play this clip, Zia, of a caller that it was, I think this is some British outlet. I want people to understand the anger that is boiling up and bubbling up in the UK, and I think this does a good job of it. I'll get your reaction on the other side, 44. shouldn't condone what happened. What else have people got to do? They're not listening. The political class are not listening.

These people who are coming over here illegally. They're rapists, terrorists. They're coming over here. It's literally like putting a wolf in a sheep field. You are giving them a target-rich environment. You haven't fettered them. You've done nothing. All you've done is jump them in a place where they can wreak havoc.

They can literally go where they want and create havoc. And when they do, the people that feel, foisted up upon us, guess what? They say, don't get upset. Don't do anything. Don't go out and cause unrest. Well, tell you what, mate, stop reaping, then you might not have to sell it, because this country is absolutely on the edge. They cannot take much more of people getting stabbed, raped, blown up, you name it, you foisted it upon us for the last 25, 30 years. Wow. Final words to use you. Well, look, the anger that you heard there is reflected by many, many people. in Britain. And I want to make the point, what you heard in that anger was not hyperbole.

We know for a fact, because it's been revealed now, that people wanted for murder in their home countries. I mean, turning up on our beaches illegally, and getting free accommodation and free healthcare and being deposited into local communities and then praying on British women. That has happened. That is a demonstrable fact, and it is still happening. So that anger, I'm afraid, is only going to grow. Of course, we condemn all forms of violence. But ultimately, that gentleman is correct. The political class are not listening. and to the degree you get angry about it, you're called all sorts of names and told to keep to yourself. Zia, real quick question. How soon can we get rid of Kier? How soon can this happen? I keep here in like four or five years. Can we something sooner? Ten seconds?

Well, in ten seconds, it's quite possible. It might be the case that the bond markets force the Labor government's hand to have a general election. There's a good chance of that. We can only hope and pray. Zia Yusuf, thank you. You're doing a great job. Keep up the great work. And we have your back. Thank you. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.