The Charlie Kirk Show - The Epstein Finale?

Episode Date: December 23, 2025

Are we finally reaching the end of the Jeffrey Epstein saga after a mass dump of photos, emails, and more? Jack Posobiec helps the show break it down and explains what we know at this point. Sean Davis joins to discuss family business at AmFest from an outside point of view. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com!    Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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joined by Blake Neff, who's in the studio. What are you wearing, Andrew? Oh, I'm wearing the dude abides. Yes. Yes. Jack, you got a sweater on. Blake, you do not have a sweater up because I forgot to tell you that I was wearing my ugly Christmas sweater today. I don't think I even own a sweater. I live in Phoenix.

Blake, you literally didn't get the Christmas sweater memo. I don't understand what's going on here. No, no. This is going to pick at a larger scab about Andrew's terrible communication internally. So I, you know, it was just it was just a vibe that I felt this morning, you know, my kids were all like still in their jammies, they're Christmas jammies, is they called? Andrew, are you, are you wearing pajamas, the bottoms right now? Don't tell us. No, no, I'm not. I'm wearing jeans.

I'm wearing jeans, thankfully. Why? Although Charlie, two lies in the truth. Charlie used to all, Blake can attest, Charlie used to always come into the studio with the, he would have, you know, business on the top and then shorts on the bottom. Yeah, basketball shorts. Yeah. Yeah, that was.

And the long socks because they were good for circulation for tall people. Yeah, for the circulation. You were the vascular. Vascular socks. That's right. I wore those socks on, because he advertises so much, I wore them. I think when I had to fly to Korea, it was like a 15-hour flight, and I wore them. And I think I was about nine hours in, and I just said, I can't take this anymore.

And I rolled down. That's good for airplanes, though. No, it is. It's good for airplanes. Listen, so we've got a jam-pack show. We figured, let's just throw the kitchen sink at it today. And we're going to have a lot of guests. So we're starting off with Jack Posobic, host of Human Events Daily.

We're going to talk Epstein because with all the craziness around Amfest and just kind of processing Amfest and our straw poll, we have not, I mean, personally, I have not had a chance to really dive in. So Jack's going to be our expert on that and kind of give us the updates on that. I saw that there's a third tranche of files from the DOJ following the passage of that law. Then we're going to have Sean Davis. He's going to talk about the family business that was on full display at Amph. Fest. And then we've got Stephen Moore, who's going to talk about economics and the great GDP news that came out this morning. And then we're going to finish with Batea Ungar Sargon. She's now a news nation anchor. And I'm going to try and convince her that J.D. Vance is the man. And she's got

her skepticism. So we're going to talk through that. So Jack, without further ado, just 30,000 foot view for us. What's going on with Epstein? How did we get here? What have we learned? Okay. So this is the response to that legislation that was passed by the House a while back. It was a bipartisan piece of legislation regarding the Epstein files, which some of us, like myself, have been calling for since day one of President Trump returning to the White House. And what we've got now are actual files coming out. Now, what we have today, this is there, so there were files released during Amfest because, of course, it couldn't be a turning point event without Epstein files getting released. separately. And, and then now we've got more Epstein files that are being released as part of this tranche. And I believe that one of the things that's going on right now is that a lot of these files that are coming out, these are investigative files. These are things that came up as evidence. And there are a lot of redactions in these, some of which we're told are redactions for victims on, on personal information that people don't want out for those who aren't being

accused of a crime or people who are, like I said, the victims of Epstein and of his network and potentially even underage, depending on who it is. Obviously, we can't tell in many of these cases. But there are so many more files that are coming out. And also that people are saying there have been back and forth of the DOJ. They said, wait a minute, you put some stuff out, then you put out of the stuff and redacted. So there are people even respond. This is a very live situation where people are responding to the DOJ release legally and saying, hey, I want that redacted. Hey, I want that redacted. So that being said, what we do actually have, I'm just going to say it. These photos that are released are absolutely disgusting. They make me sick to my stomach

looking at some of these. I talked about this on Newsmax last night, that when there were people, there have been a lot of people. So there's been this narrative that like, okay, Epstein maybe wasn't involved in like really bad stuff and maybe it's all just overblown no no it's actually disgusting and there's a lot of photos it just has to be said truthfully there are a lot of photos of him with bill clinton um bill clinton in a hot tub him and bill clinton on planes him and bill clinton wearing uh you know matching matching shirts of some kind at like some kind of party so again what you're not finding are images of Donald trump in a hot tub and so the democrats are sitting there going like, wait, what's, you know, what's, what's happening because we were

told Trump would be the one in there. And yes, there were some times, there were some instances where they said, okay, we found some records of Trump flying on the plane. But what was interesting is, of course, not only did they still not find Trump fine, just be truthful. They did not find Trump flying to the island, but Trump was also flying on the plane with his family. So like with his wife and children. So again, like not a situation where we're hopefully anything on Those were mostly in the 90s, right, Jack, so... Oh, yeah, yeah, this is way, way, way. Like, we're talking 30, 40 years ago in some instances, so where it's like just, or 30 years

ago. So instances where long before any of these, any of his crimes had come to life, long before, I mean, know the rest of the story. We've been over it so many times where he was evicted from Mar-a-Lago for his behavior. And then Trump actually goes to the lawyers of the victims to say, how can I help? help you to put this guy away because he's a bad guy. And what we're seeing again over and over are pictures of him of Epstein, as well as some emails with Prince, or I should say former Prince Andrew.

A fake passport is something that just came out, which is something that's really interesting. I mean, this is happening all live. It was an Austrian passport. Talked about businesses in West Africa and Saudi Arabia. I mean, really, just a lot of just a lot of random things that were coming out like crazy right now. Let's go ahead and get President Trump was asked about this. Let's play 191. I know there are a lot of people that are angry about all of the pictures of other people, you know, but I think it's terrible. Look, no, I don't like the pictures of Bill Clinton being

shown. I don't like the pictures of other people being shown. I think it's a terrible thing. I think Bill Clinton's a big boy. He can handle it. But you probably have pictures being exposed of other people that innocently met Jeffrey Epstein years ago, many years ago, and they're, you know, highly respected bankers and lawyers and others, and they'll end up because of guys like Massey, who's a real low life. What this whole thing is with Epstein is a way of trying to deflect from the tremendous success that the Republican Party has. You know, this feels pretty consistent with Trump's original kind of objection to this, you know, and we have to remember that if they had something on Trump, it would have been weaponized by the Biden administration

you know, ten times over. So this does actually feel. Yeah, go ahead. If they have something on Clinton, I feel like the Trump admin would probably want to, he has a big, pretty big beef with the Clintons. I'm, well, you know, actually Trump, Trump is saying, listen, I've always gotten along with Bill. He's been good to me. I've been good to him. I actually don't, kind of getting inside the psyche of President Trump, I actually don't think he has like a bone to pick. with Bill Clinton, per se, maybe Hillary more so. But, yeah, I think Trump knows a lot of these guys, kind of knows the situation that some of the innocent ones are put in.

It just feels like he's being consistent. But, you know, the admin was pressured. You know, he takes a shot at Thomas Massey right there to be more transparent. So he's doing what he's got to do politically. But I think he actually seems to be fairly disgusted with the fact that we're going to get dragged here. Well, one thing I should mention is there is a very strange. letter to Larry Nasser. Larry Nassar, who we know also went to prison and is in prison for these same type of crimes, that Epstein wrote a letter to him saying, as you know by now, I have

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Pretty good deal. Check it out now. Balance of Nature.com. Blake Neff is threatening to upset everybody in the audience. I don't know if we're ready for that yet. But why don't we just start here? Let's go 199. This is Joe Scarborough on his reaction to the Epstein files.

One of the great mysteries to me and a lot of other people is we've had reporting for some time. Donald Trump is not on Epstein's list. There's nothing in there that's really damning about Donald Trump. and as Susie Wilde says, not damning about Donald Trump, according to the Chiefs. Or Bill Clinton. So one of the great mysteries all along in this,

not been like what's Donald Trump hiding, what did he do, da da da da. It's like, why, if he's not in these files, which all the reporting says he's not, why is he so obsessed on blocking access to the files? Is he trying to protect somebody? So, I mean, what do you think, So I guess what I would say is I feel like that's actually the case for a lot of the people in this.

I'm seeing the stuff that's going viral. And what a lot of this is, it's photographs of people hanging out. And then they black out the faces. And that's used to create the implication. There's a super savage, sinister crime. But what you basically just have is you have Bill Clinton getting photos with people. You have Bill Gates getting photos with people. You have people having photos with Epstein.

And I think it gets back to what President Trump said, which I think is reasonable. He's pointed out a lot of people met Epstein. He was a huge socialite. And when you just release a giant pile of photographs, you can, of someone who's become an infamous figure, you basically tar everyone by association. And I guess I would caution everyone to take a step back and think, what do we really have proof of? what has actually been litigated in court because, for example, a lot of these cases when they have gone to court, people have either, they've gone to court, like Alan Dershowitz was able to sue Virginia Guffrey and she had to admit she just was lying about him. Or we have cases where a lot of,

this has been a funny pattern that's been going on throughout the case this year, where a lot of the victims have just been saying, they've been saying, release the names, release the names, but they won't name names themselves. And I think a justifiable reason for skepticism there is they don't want to name names themselves because they actually don't have evidence and they're basically worried about getting sued for defamation and they wanted others to do the work for them to justify allegations that they could kind of get away with making without being as facing as much risk of actual defamation. It just the whole thing feels very off to me. Jack, you're kind of a contrarian voice in this space a little bit as well. I mean, you, I mean,

I mean, where would you put yourself on the spectrum of, like, he was this mastermind international pedophile ring leader with compromise on the world's leaders versus he was just kind of like a kinky, gross, disgusting, like sex, you know, pests that was connected to a few international leaders. Maybe he was working with CIA, Mossad, whatever. Like, there's so many options of what the truth is here. It's hard to make sense of it. Yeah, look. I see what the DOJ is putting. out, but I also watch Mike Benz and all the stuff that he's putting out as well. He's very well documented these links between Epstein and intelligence. He talks about his connections to Iran

Contra, his connections to Adnan Khashoggi, the money that was being run around. Yes, that's right, the father of Jamal Khashoggi. And so it's really interesting when you look at some of this stuff and the networks that he was in. And certainly there are questions on to who was running who. Was he an asset, was he an operative? But I really do think that there's a lot more to this than I think than meets the eye. But when it comes to what Blake is saying, I can appreciate what Blake saying because when you go to court, you absolutely need evidence. And you need to be able to stand these things up on evidence. So what I would also say, though, is if the DOJ has this evidence, then we should put it out or at least make it available to any of the victims should they want to sue. And I believe

that number of the victims are getting restitution from the estate of Epstein. And I think they deserve that but if there are people out there like former prince andrew or others who are involved in crimes then absolutely you have to use the evidence like that's the whole point we have the government this whole point we have the department of justice you investigate the crimes you don't make the victim have to investigate themselves right that's the point of that's why we have the government jack one more question here before we got to go um what what do you make of this video that was circulating around yesterday seemed to show and the timestamp lined up with his his suicide or murder however you want to look at it whether it showed him potentially committing suicide that that

you checked into that yeah yeah i think that ended up being a recreation that was not an actual video that was uh something that possibly was done as a recreation cg i kind of thing to say you know if he did it here's a way he possibly anatomically could have done it possibly something they were looking at during the autopsy different things like that can be created uh when you're on ongoing investigation but i don't think it was in the doj file it was in the you could actually access it online. It was very interesting, but I guess it was a recreation. Jack Posobic, thanks for walking us through that. Lots of, lots to parse through there. Human Events Daily, check out his show every day at 2 p.m. Eastern. Merry Christmas, Jack. Thanks for everything

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But something to do with Bambi, I don't know. But if you were on the outside looking in and Amfest, you got to see all the reactions to it, the reactions of the speeches, to the disagreements, all of these things. I wanted your help to make sense of it, Sean. What do you make of the reactions, both the good and the bad? Yeah, I was up in a tree stand hunting, not Bambi, but Bambi's dad last week, which was awesome. Got him. Good for you. I saw the fruits of your labor, and I'm impressed.

I'm impressed. They're going to be delicious. I got to tell you, what I've always loved about Amfest, I love the energy. I love the number of people you can get in there, just like the logistics. feat of pulling something like that off, let alone in a year like this, really blows my mind. But the thing that I have always loved about it, about Charlie in particular, and kind of the whole TPUSA vibe is how ecumenical it is, he will have or had people all the time where I was like, yeah, I don't really like that guy. And then there would be people who would be like, oh, yeah,

that guy's awesome. And I think that's kind of what makes the movement great, is that we don't have to always agree on everything all the time for the same reason. And so I like having the people up there who can disagree, who can do it respectfully, because the whole point here is to build a coalition that can win elections and then do what needs to be done to save our country. So that's what I loved about Amphaz this year, in particular, after everything that's happened, is it would have been easy to just retreat in on yourself and become very kind of self-referential and self-focused. And instead, the focus stayed on the country and the movement and everyone who's within it, even the people I don't, you know, agree with all the time yeah well well said i mean and blake i want to bring you in for this as well i mean there just seems to be though this there's a rising tide of voices that are calling for denouncing certain voice to other people that they want to see the disavow very publicly they want to see uh you know it just seems like we hadn't been in that that posture you hadn't heard as much of that tone and all of a sudden there's there's a lot of voices saying we got to disavow this we got to

say this we got to we got to block this and i think a lot of it is a proxy war uh with jd ahead of 28 but i'll leave it to you guys blake you first what what do you make of this this i mean because you you have a you have a little bit of sympathy i think for that as well but you're you're much more reserved and restrained well i think i think you want to you have to divorce i think demands that you disavow that you exclude someone aggressively i we know how charlie had a lot of resistance to that, understandably. So he hated what he called moral blackmail. That was the line he used.

But I don't think we saw too much of that. I think we saw a lot of people trying to characterize it that way. But I think what we saw was you saw an aggressive posture about how what we should be talking about, what we should care about most, what is good or bad behavior. I think, let's just say the elephant in the room. A lot of people are reacting specifically to what Ben Shapiro said immediately after Erica spoke. And I don't think Ben was saying we need to aggressively cancel people. I think he was saying he was disappointed in how a lot of people had handled certain topics. And I think in response to that, many people said,

he's trying to cancel us. I think Ben was going about it in the way Ben does. Ben is a very blunt guy. He's going to say exactly what he means and exactly what he's angry about. And I think that's going to, some people are going to really like that. Some people are going to find it really irritating. And that's just, that's part of his brand. That's been his brand for a decade. But I think on the ground among attendees, we saw a lot of people who, frankly, they enjoyed what Ben said and what Megan said, what Tucker said. And I think that's really how a lot of the base feels. I think the people who are getting angry enough to boot others out are kind of a pretty small slice of the coalition overall.

Yeah, and they're loud online, though, right, Sean? I mean, that's why I wanted to get your perspective in. Because to Blake's point, there was people in the audience who were like, what are we fighting about? People had no idea, like, that there was, that there was like a kind of a family business fight, happening, right? And then you had people that were like, we actually did a show of hands in our members' podcast room, and we said, who likes Ben's approach? And about half the hands went up. And then we're like, who likes Tucker's approach? About half the hands went up. So it was like, it was a very mixed crowd, a very mixed reception to that. And to Blake's point, I didn't hear Ben saying we need to

cancel people. Ben was just saying, you know, here are my lines. Here are my lines in the sand, you know take him or leave him and you know he wasn't calling us to cancel people either he was just sort of festivist for the rest of us uh he was airing his grievances uh in a public place and you know that was his right we'd appreciate that for sure we yeah we don't we don't we don't we don't tell anybody what to say actually at these things so you from the outside but there is this loud contingent on x and other forums that are saying it's time to sort of excommunicate this or that or this person or that person yeah and i mean that's to be expected online this is politics and politics is all about getting your way so that someone else who you disagree with

can't get their way. So like that's, it's just kind of part and parcel of how politics works. Again, what I have always liked is the ecumenicalism of TPSA and the movement in general. And like my personal philosophy on this is if you're within the movement, define it as loosely as you like, if you're putting points on the board, if you are bringing people to the table and you're moving the ball where we need to go, I'm good with you. even if I might disagree with you on a whole bunch of stuff. And that goes for Tucker and Megan and you and Ben Shapiro and Nikki Minaj or anyone else. If you are rowing with us and you're not actively trying to hurt the movement and hurt the country,

there's a lot that I can tolerate of disagreement. And so I think it's good to have that. And the other thing to recognize is we're never going to agree with everyone all the time. I don't agree with my wife on everything all the time. I don't agree with my kids on everything all the time. the time. I have debates in my own head with myself on issues back and forth. So like it's hard to get full agreement with people you know and love and care about a trillion percent. Imagine how much more difficult it is going to be to agree with everyone all the time, people who you don't know

with different backgrounds and different priorities. And then you talk about kind of like the online nature and there really is such a big divide. If you live your entire life on the internet with the screen in front of you, you are going to have a very different perspective of where the country is than if you don't do that. And it obviously, you know, Twitter or X isn't real life, but it can be reflective of it. So I don't want to dismiss the online debates because they're important and they do mean something and they represent real people. But it's really important to be out there talking to normal people, talking to people who are not online, who are not political obsessives, because as much as it may pain people like us to hear we are political obsessives most people are not like us they

don't look at the world through the lens that we look uh through it and and so it's just great to have 30 000 people especially young people um who who are forming their own worldview and their own opinions and getting their perspective and when they are out there saying the people who are there yeah yeah half of us liked it and half of us didn't that seems to me like you've struck a pretty good balance on how to represent the whole of the movement yeah i mean i think that's and you you're echoing so much of what Jady said in his speech, you know, I, uh, let's go ahead and play some, some sound from him, 1.25. All of you, each and everyone, President Trump did not build the greatest coalition in politics by running his supporters through endless, self-defeating purity tests.

He says, make America great again because every American is invited. we don't care if you're white or black rich or poor young or old and he keeps going on right he he he made this point a lot of times and it's not that he didn't put boundaries in the speech i mean he he basically he condemned anti-semitism he condemned racism anti-white racism anti-Asian racism and lifted up merit merit merit merit so i sort of just wonder if people you know if they if he didn't straight up say i condemn nick fentes in this speech i wonder if anybody would have been like that crowd would have been happy you know he he didn't have to say some people's names which he then did condemn him by name the next day right yeah i mean because he

came after his wife right so jady put a big line in the sand on that on that front but like Listen, I think the message was clear. I think 90% of people heard it, but I think there's a loud minority online that is just not going to be happy until, you know, everybody's getting like, you know, going full Ben Shapiro and taking a howitzer to everybody else in the movement. Yeah, so I think it's when people are doing that, they are pretending to be mad at about, mad at him about one thing when they're actually mad about another thing. And with JD, foreign policy is the main thing. JD is not an interventionist. He's not a neocon. He's very much a realist. And someone who, having been involved in America's wars personally, understands that, you know, we need to be a lot more circumspective about how we get in. And so when people go after him, it's really a proxy battle over foreign policy. And I think a lot of people, honestly, I wish they were just more honest about what the real issue is rather than trying to pretend it's something else. This is Lane Schoenberger, Chief Investment Officer and founding partner of Y. Refi. It has been an honor and a privilege to partner with Turning Point and for Charlie to endorse us.

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My kids hate it. I love it. It's what I grew up watching. I will say, no, Die Hard is not a Christmas movie. And the thing that perplexes me to this day. To this day, what are they doing having a work party on Christmas Eve?

That's crazy. It was a Christmas party. It was their Christmas party for the office. But yeah, it was way too late. It was too late. My favorite Christmas movie, first of all, I'll say,

Die Hard definitely not a Christmas movie. It came out in the summer. It's just a movie set during Christmas. That is not the same. And then I was, would say my favorite you know you don't hear about it as much i think i might fall back on on home alone home alone is a really good movie uh it's got really good christmas themes not just the funny stuff the stuff with the man with his daughter his estranged son that stuff is really beautiful to watch as an adult

i didn't appreciate it as much as a kid i really love that stuff i should watch it again this christmas oh i have my the dude abides christmas sweater yes that is the dude from big labowski you can judge me all you want but the dude abides yes diehard is a Christmas movie yes it was released in the summer but it was a set on Christmas Eve man it's like

it's perfectly situate it lives eternally this is why every Christmas it's on the Christmas watch list even the streaming no this is like a Gen X irony thing like it's funny to go ha ha it's set during Christmas it's technically a Christmas movie but it's just

it is a movie set during Christmas it doesn't have any Christmas themes about family or the birth of Christ. Oh, come on. He's reuniting with his wife. I mean, like, you're killing bad guys. Yeah, but it'll be in an action movie way. Like, like, the lesson of diehard is then, like, you can, you can

like get back with your wife by killing a bunch of terrorists. Not not like, everyone knows that's true. You know, getting over your hangups or something, you know, it's. Oh, my God. Well, listen, I got to take issue with Blank here. The Ravdenver studio agrees with me. And, yeah, posos chiming in, too. He says, the line

The Witch and the Wardrobe is a Christmas movie. I got to take issue with Blake on the irony thing. That's a millennial affectation. Gen X doesn't do faux irony. That's very much a millennial thing. How dare you, sir. I think he might be right here. So the, but my favorite Christmas movie is absolutely 100%.

It's a wonderful life. And I love, I love like the 1980, what is it, 1983 Christmas Carol or something? I forget what I forget I just I know we have it on the the we bought it so we watch it I forget which one it is but it was like the 1980s one and my daughter actually loves it and she's seven and it's so I like watching it with her that's my whole plan everybody's like what are you doing this Christmas I'm watching Christmas movies as soon as I'm done today I'm clocking out turning the phone off we're doing hot cocoa and pajamas and we're watching Christmas movies I plan to gain at least four pounds

hot cocoa to insulate yourself from the cold 65 degree winds of Santa Barbara. Yeah, well, listen, I'm trying to stay warm, I will tell you. So, hey, Sean, let me know what you think here. So I think a lot of these battles, just sort of got to make it serious for the last three minutes we have here, a lot of these battles are just a proxy about foreign policy. Why is that issue in particular? Is it just because the military industrial complex? Is it because there's so much money involved?

It's like, you know, people's tribalism on display. What drives the foreign policy debate when we have a whole country to govern? Why is that always such a big deal? Yeah, it's such a good question. Obviously, I think the money involved is a big thing. You know, how many trillions of dollars did we spend in Iraq and Afghanistan? And then when those were finally wound down, it magically was transferred to like half a trillion dollars to Ukraine. Now we're suddenly talking about maybe regime changed in Venice,

which obviously would be a terrible idea. So money is a huge thing. I also think there is a very large, I don't want to say it's totally moral blackmail, but people really enjoy patting themselves on the back for being compassionate and willing to spend other people's lives and other people's money to do things, which they think are morally right to do.

It's kind of the COVID nannying, but taken to a foreign policy extent. Oh, I'm not doing this to help myself. I'm trying to keep you safe. I think there is a large segment of people who really, really enjoy the moralizing aspect of it, almost like the stolen moral valor aspect of it. So I think it's that plus the money. And then also there are people who just genuinely think we need to be involved everywhere.

Why are we big and powerful and why do we have this role if we're not just going to go be the world police? I think there are people who legitimately believe that. Yeah. And, you know, Charlie used to rail against people. being fixated and fascinated about you know foreign abstractions it's some I think honestly when you get into a position of power or political office it's easier to sort of think about others far and way and ignore the the problems right at your doorstep because those are harder and and you know it might reflect poorly on your own self so uh Blake take us home yeah I think uh I think

Sean's exactly right people do get they get fixated on these big abstract thing I think honestly It's almost, I think it's a lot of people who get into politics and get into government are kind of nerds and dorks. And they remember being kids and they liked the idea, oh, I'm moving these like big, I can move these armies. It'd be so cool if I was Alexander the Great. It'd be so cool if I was Napoleon. And then they get into government and they kind of get to fill these fantasies. That sounds like the wrong word. It's like a godlike complex.

Yeah, God complex or just self-important. a lot of self-importance, and you certainly see that in D.C. all the time, and it's really annoying, and it persists forever. This Christmas season, we remember that Jesus came to Earth. He's God, and we are not him. So that's our message to all the godlike complex folks. Thanks, Sean. We'll see you soon.

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