The Charlie Kirk Show - The False Christianity of Tofu Talarico

Episode Date: May 27, 2026

The Texas Senate GOP runoff turned into a beatdown, as Ken Paxton routed John Cornyn all across the state. Now, attention returns to the real foe: Fake Christian James Talarico, who loves "trans kids" and wants to protect the world from the taint of white skin. Rep. Brandon Gill reacts. Alex Marlow talks about the growing momentum behind Spencer Pratt, and The Redheaded Libertarian (small L!) talks about what must happen for the MAGA coalition to keep fans of Thomas Massie around. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com!    Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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President Trump got behind the base's candidate and grassroots candidate. Turning Point Action was one of the first groups to endorse Ken Paxton. And it was a complete MAGA landslide. It really was. So happy third anniversary of his impeachment to Ken Paxton. Total vindication. I mean, what was the final tally here? It ended up, I mean, what's incredible is John Cornyn did a lot. worse in round two than he did in round one in round one he won the first round 42% overall he needed 50 so it went to a runoff and in that runoff he only got 36% of the vote uh he was a nearly a 30 point win basically yeah it was like 27 it was 63.8 to 36.2 that is that is getting routed it

looks like cornon uh won exactly two counties in the whole state yeah and it was was Austin. They thought he was going to win Dallas, but he didn't. And then they thought Austin ended up holding on. And then there was one tiny little county that one of the one of the border area one that reported like 14 votes. Yeah. Yeah. It was pretty it was a it's a very heavily Democrat registered county. An absolute route. And again on the third anniversary of being impeached, Ken Paxton experiences total vindication in this runoff with Cornyn. But here's the interesting part. Blake and I were observing that there was over 2 million votes cast in the

original primary in the runoff. It was 1.3. Yeah, I mean, if you was... So it was extremely low turnout, which is what we said was going to happen. So your vote in the base had a much bigger impact. Now, why is that important? Because as I said, this is a base turnout operations.

The midterms, you're not going to have President Trump on the ballot. So you've got to get your diehards out. You've got to give them a reason to get to the polls. That reason is Ken Paxton. Now, why do I bring up the impeachment? Because that is already, we saw it from Cornyn, and now we see it from Tala Rico, tofu, Tala Rico, as he will forever be known on this show. There's a lot of great nicknames being floated around, by the way. Talfrico, soy boy, but I like Tofu Tauri.

Maybe like 20 genders, Tala Rico. I think he's a six-gender guy. I think he said there's like an infinite number of sexes or something like that. Some very large, non and everything in between okay so here here's what we're we're already seeing the attack lines drawn it is pretty obvious but the i will tell you the republicans have a ton of ammunition against this guy let's just see this is a taste the first attack ad going against tofu talarico sot 17 prophetic voices like jesus have helped me reckon with my own whiteness my own masculinity and it's a painful process sex is a is a is spectrum and oftentimes it can be very ambiguous. God is both masculine and feminine and everything

in between. God is non-binary. Straight from revelations in the woke James Bible. I want us all to be aware of that. There are many more than two biological sexes. In fact, there are six. Now existential that we try to reduce our meat consumption. That's the right thing to do and the moral thing to do. The 11th commandment, thou shalt not smoke brisket. I am proud to say that our kids, campaign has officially become a non-meat campaign. They're going to call me a radical leftist, un-Texan, un-American. And bar none, the weirdest candidate for Senate that Lone Star State has ever seen. I wonder what narrator they got for that.

It makes me think of when I was a kid in the 90s, they'd have these kids' movies. And the narrator sounds almost exactly the same. It's pretty fun. I mean, it's a pretty spot-on ad. I just have to say, like the guy is objectively very well. weird. And even Democrats are acknowledging this. Like we're seeing CNN, you know, commentators say he's vulnerable because this, I mean, listen, Texas is not what it once was. Admittedly, there's been a lot of, you know, people flooding into the state, but there's still a lot of fight in that dog.

And I mean, you know, thou shalt not smoke brisket. That's a good luck. That's, yeah, that's, because you don't mess with Texans and their meat. You just don't. But, and the guy is wearing a mask in every other clip and he seems obsessed with trans. We should not be arrogant because we've been through a few races where they've said, oh, this state will never elect X, Y, Z. And we kind of lucked out with Pennsylvania where we said they'd never elect Fetterman. And they did. And Fetterman ended up not being so bad. Got a stroke and then he got better. Yeah, exactly. But, you know, Tala rica seems like a young guy. He doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who will get elected and then suddenly get amnesia on all the Rico is the manifestation of what happens to an otherwise kind of normal guy when he goes

through the woke indoctrination regimen that the left wants for all American males. You come out spineless. Your masculinity is shriveled on the vine. Like you can't fight anybody. You couldn't defend a home. You end up twisting yourself into ideological knots to justify the most heinous things, including abortion, the transing of kids, all of this stuff. And this to me is the heart of the argument, because you've got David French here, we've got this tweet. He said, can we be done with the

pretense that Republican primary voters vote for MAGA candidates in spite of their apostasy and corruption? Obviously, he's talking about Kempaxson. The transgressions is a feature, not a bug. It tells voters they don't care about law or morality, only power. So here's my question for you, David French. If I, as a voter, am confronted with a binary choice between Ken Paxton, who supports my values, supports a closed border who's tough on crime and all those things, supports traditional values, and we'll vote to support those. But he has, let's just say, a few bumps along the road morally. I'm not even making a values judgment on that necessarily, or saying it's right or wrong or saying that it's true or false. I'm just saying, let's assume it is for a second.

And my other choice is Cornyn who wants to flood the country, who is pro amnesty, or Talrika who wants to trans kids, wants to justify abortion, who wants to make a third world hellhole out of Dallas, Fort Worth Metroplex, which is the moral judgment that I am forced to make? If you're going to tell me that Ken Paxton is somehow morally untoward, but Talryca, because he says it in a calm, beta mail. Let's remember, David French basically called James Tala Rico, I believe the truest Christian in American politics right now. Yeah. Well, and that is Frenchian.

That is incredibly David. And it's a great revolting. It's very disturbing because it's not like, like Tala RICO really has made the whole, I'm super Christian, aspiring minister sort of persona, a big part of his appeal. And the Bible has some very, explicit words about what should happen to those who want to harm children, which he wants to.

He's the guy who goes on podcast and says, what do I love most? Trans children. That's what I love. Yeah. The Bible has very specific words for that sort of person. I mean, this is just wild. Like, he, I mean, we're running out of time here, but this is, um, place not 20. Something that you love. That's not family or friends.

Um, I love. I'm just saying this because it's on my mind the trans children who showed up yesterday at the state capital to advocate for their humanity. They shouldn't have to, but it was an inspiration to watch. The first thing he says to what he loves is trans children. First thing. He's just strange.

You know, and you might think that this sounds mean, and I don't mean to be mean, but I just mean to be honest with you. And I think that's what the audience needs. They need to understand. I'm not trying to be, you know, sling pejoratives at him. It's just, it needs to be said. I am. This, well, Blake, Blake has his own approach here, but let's just play. Like, this is him justifying the murder of babies. This is

serious stuff. Sot 19. But I say all this in terms of, in context of abortion, because before God comes over Mary, and we have the incarnation, God asks for Mary's consent. And she says, if it is God's will, let it be done. Let it be. Let it happen. So to me, that is an affirmation in one of our most central stories that creation has to be done with consent. You cannot force someone to create. Creation is one of the most sacred acts that we engage in as human beings, but that has to be done with consent. It has to be done with freedom. And so that's how I come down on that side of the issue. You see, this just is vastly more bothersome than if you just have some, atheist Marxists come out and they say we love abortion because we're materialists and all of that.

Very evil, very wrong, but you kind of know what you're getting with the territory. This is a person who is lying about what Christianity teaches. What Christianity has always taught, the earliest Christians, if you go read the didache from the first century where Christians are telling each other, here's what we believe, they condemn abortion. And he comes in and he tells this line and says, actually, Christians should support abortion. That is a monstrous evil. Yeah, it's twisting scripture to suit your itching ears and whatever you want to hear. And the other thing, to your point, Blake, you're right about the Roman Empire. It was infanticide was rampant within the Roman Empire.

Why did that stop? It was because Christians stopped it. They used to just leave babies out to exposure to kill babies. And the Christians stopped it. They would save these babies. And ultimately, the Christianization of the Roman Empire, the practice stopped. A Roman man would not have a child. he would accept a child that his wife would give birth to it and he had the choice. He could say,

kill it right now or we can raise it. And that was the choice he was allowed to make, 100% legal. Well, and he's even chipping away at the exclusivity claims of Jesus Christ. I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one will come to the father except through me. Well, that we have in scripture, right? But James Taurico doesn't believe that. Here's him talking about all the religions of love lead to truth, 18. I believe Christianity points to the truth. I also think other religions of love point to the same truth. I think of different religious traditions as different languages. So you and I could sit here and debate what to call this cup and you could call it a cup in English. We'd call it something else in Spanish and French. But we are all talking about the same reality. I believe Jesus Christ reveals that reality to us. But I also think that other traditions reveal that reality in their own ways with their own symbol structures. And I've learned more about my tradition by learning. learning more about Buddhism and Hinduism and Islam and Judaism. And so I see these beautiful faith traditions as circling the same truth about the universe,

about the cosmos. And that truth is inherently a mystery. I do not consider Islam a religion of love. I believe it's a conquering political ideology that has a backdrop and a foundation that is considered a religion, but I don't believe it's true. I don't believe it points to the truth. The fact that he does, is extraordinarily troublesome. And I would agree with Blake that it's evil to be twisting scriptures like this. Let's just keep going. Here's him giving a sermon about abortion again.

And he's got a really like, in trans, he's really obsessed with these two topics. It's not 24. Before we go further, I want to acknowledge that our trans community needs abortion care too. defending trans texas is something we have to do every day at the state capitol and you better believe i'll be giving sermons on that too so when i use the word woman it should not be understood as an exhaustive term but rather as a as a lens through which to understand examine and interrogate patriarchy are trans community needs abortion care yeah and you hear that that other part like i sort of skimmed over, but it's like you should not hear women as an exhaustive term. It's a lens. Women, do you feel like

you're a lens through which to view your existence through? Or are you just a woman? Are you an ex-X? Did God make you a woman or a man? Like, this is terrifying stuff. This is what I mean when I say. He is a manifestation of everything the left wants, indoctrinated in one brain of an otherwise normal person. This man fears a mob of people on blue sky vastly more than he fears God. That's well said. Yeah.

It keeps going, folks. We've got more. There's so many clips of James Talrico basically mask off, even though he loves wearing a mask, telling you exactly who he is. And I've said it before and I'll say it again, when somebody shows you who they are, believe them. It's not 25.

I often think when reclaiming symbols. I think about the American flag. I think the Confederate flag is a symbol of treason and terrorism, but the American flag is such a complicated symbol for most of us. And in many ways, like Jesus, like the cross, it's been co-opted and in some ways that's true meaning has been betrayed. Okay. So the flag's a problem, too. Okay, gotcha. And also, he has to reckon with his own whiteness. 29. For me, prophetic voices like Jesus have helped me reckon with my own whiteness, my own masculinity, my own certainty, my own ego. It's a never-ending process, and it's a painful process. And then there's back to the gender thing. How many genders are there, James? He's not

sure, or maybe he is, it's not 30. I want us all to be aware of is that modern science obviously recognizes that there are many more than two biological sexes. In fact, there are six. Oh, there's six? Why stop at six? We can laugh at this guy all we want, but we should have you know. This guy is every time, it seems every cycle, there's someone running in Texas, and Democrats make him the mascot of their entire campaign that year.

They got really into Beto O'Rourke in 2018. They were really obsessed with, what's her name, the woman who ran for governor because she stood up for abortion rights for six hours straight or whatever it was. I forgot her name because she ran and she got killed, which was good. But they're going to invest a huge amount of money in this. They know that this is an opportunity to them pick it up. Texas is a red state. It's consistently voted Republican, but it's one of the shakiest red states overall.

President Trump won it big in this last election, but he won it by less than 2020 and 2016. They will spend tens, hundreds of millions of dollars on this race. They would love to humiliate us. So we should laugh at him because he is a laughable and pathetic figure, but we do have to take this very seriously. The war in Iran is having a devastating effect on the people living there locally. What most people don't realize is it's affecting everyone on the global scale as well, even if we aren't there physically.

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Welcome back to the show, Brandon. Good to see you. Tell us what you make of it, of that absolute route in the Senate, but there's other races we want to talk about as well. Yeah, I mean, last night was a phenomenal night. for patriots who are looking to take their country back. I mean, I think that that Ken Paxton result where he won by 28 points, been a very clear message to Washington, which is that the people of Texas, and I think the people across the country are looking for somebody

who's going to fight for him, who's going to stand up for him, who wants secure borders, who's going to fight to actually get the Save America Act across the finish line. And that's exactly what they're going to get with Ken Paxton. It's also a clear repudiation, I think, in many ways of amnesty. That was a big issue in this primary cycle. And GOP voters said very clearly, we will not tolerate amnesty. And I think that's something we ought to remember going forward. Yeah, I completely agree. You know, it's interesting about it as well as that, you know, you could see that Senator Cornyn was starting to experience, you know, he could sense where the wind was blowing. And he ends up putting out ads about Islam, which was new for him.

I'm curious just the feel on the ground in Texas, how big of an issue is the Islam topic? I mean, this is one of the top issues that I hear on the ground from my constituents all the time. Every time I do an event where I meet and take questions from constituents, which is pretty often, I get a question on Islam, and it's usually one of the first ones. The reality is especially in the DFW Metroplex, which is near where my district is, is you've got entire, cities, entire communities that are being transformed by mass Islamic migration. You've got mosques that are popping up all over the metroplex and the people of Texas are tired of it. They're tired of seeing their hometowns being culturally transformed and they want somebody who's going to stand up to it. And there's also, especially in the metroplex, there's tons of Indian immigrants as well.

Is that also a topic, top of mind? I hear about H1Bs all the time. And it's a similar issue where you see our communities are being fundamentally transformed. I had a mayor in my district. And I won't say which town or which mayor who told me that he's had a massive influx of people coming in on H1B visas. And he said in one of the neighborhoods there, they typically have a Christmas tree where they celebrate Christmas. you know, as sort of a neighborhood as a community. And so many of these people came into that community. They became a majority and they went up to them and they said, we're, we're not celebrating

Christmas here. We're doing Dwali, but we're not doing Christmas. And he said, we've done Christmas every single year. We want to continue this tradition of the town. And they said, well, there's more of us than there are of you. And we don't want Christmas anymore. And that's the kind of thing that really moves people that people say my community my my country is being taken away from me and they're again they're sick of it so i want to address this issue and you can already see tal riko saying it's the people versus ken paxton you know you saw the corn and smears attacking his character corruption whatever moral failures or whatever what is your reaction i you know david french we showed his tweet earlier talking about you know essentially can we just

just get rid of the pretense that we care about somebody's morality, like the corruption is a feature, not a bug. What do you say to those people that are attacking Ken Paxton's character like this? I would say I'd like to better understand how you can possibly look at somebody who is so obsessed with transgendered children, who will take scripture and contort it in the most demonic and perverse ways to suggest that the Bible is somehow a pro-abortion document that Mary actually, gave consent to have to birth the son of God and how that is evidence that the Bible supports abortion and is pro-choice. I mean, that is so far out there. I'd like to hear them explain what the type of integrity or lack of integrity that's needed to have those sorts of views. You know, you can look at this and you can you can say, well, we're tired of scandals. We're tired of

this, well, I'm tired of having teachers tell young children that they're born in the wrong body. I'm tired of having politicians like James Talleyco who say that our southern border should have a welcome mat on it. I'm tired of freaks and lunatics like Tala Rico who are trying to tell us that there are six different sexes, which he said, and I'd love to hear him explain, by the way, what the other four sexes are. I think the people Texas would like to hear, too. integrity means also having not contorting scripture and living in reality and Talarico certainly does not. So I want to go to, I completely agree by the way, and I think that was really well said.

You know, we've been longtime friends with Chip Roy, Chip Roy lost last night to Mays Middleton. What's the takeaway from that race? Well, you know, Chip, both Chip and Mays are good friends mine. And they're both very conservative. And I think whenever I looked at that race, you know, my big takeaway was we've done pretty well in the GOP, at least in this race, to have two phenomenal candidates there to choose from. But the reality, I would say, is that President Trump is the leader of the party. His endorsement means more than anything else, but also the people of Texas are looking

for somebody who they can really believe is going to be with the president all the time. And that was a key issue in that race. So listen, again, I think that both of those candidates are really good. I have an enormous amount of respect for Chip Roy. He's somebody who has fought very hard in Congress for conservative values. And he's somebody, by the way, who doesn't just fight in front of the camera, but who goes to the map whenever the cameras are all gone, behind the scenes, whenever nobody can see it.

And he is somebody who I think is going to be. be doing is going to stick around and we'll probably hear a lot more from and I think that's a good thing. Yeah, I think that's a good thing as well. I think Chip's a man of integrity and I think ultimately, you know, he had some dustups with the president in the past and that was used against him. But I mean, you know, Chip's a great guy and we wish him well and I hope you're right. I hope we get to see more a chip in the future because he is a fighter and he's a man of integrity. So I think one of the risks here is that one, we take Talarico to. softly because he's so weird to us, right?

But there's a lot of normies out there that just look at him and his golly G. Shucks kind of persona. People, we were laughing at Asoff when he first came on the political scene. And now he's a senator from Georgia. And he's, you know, favored to retain his seat. I hope that's wrong. I would also say that the other, you know, I actually believe that Paxton would have won without Trump's endorsement.

So I think while the Trump endorsement is powerful, there's no doubt. I think that that just that's what led to this landslide, right? It just kind of, it kind of pushed it way over the edge here. But I think there's a critical component here. If you look at South Carolina, I'm not asking you to delve into controversial topics. So Lindsey Graham, he's got the Trump endorsement. But man, if I'm Lindsey Graham, I am in the words of Jeremy Carl, sweating bullets today. Because the base has an instinct of who actually represents the America First principles

that we all ascribed to and espouse. And they can smell a fraud, right? So I think we could take the takeaways in the wrong direction here. Yes, the Trump endorsement is powerful, but I mean, Paxton and Cornyn, there was really no choice for a base conservative, right? And the base will come out if you give them a reason to in midterms. So the question then to you, Congressman, is what are the key takeaways here? You mentioned amnesty.

What else? I think somebody who does the same thing behind closed doors that they talk about publicly. I'll give you an example, is the Save America Act. Sort of related to the immigration debate, but this is something that we've known for a very long time. The only way realistically to get the Save America Act across the finish line is for the Senate to utilize a talking filibuster. And if you're going to support the Save America Act but not support a talking filibuster, both publicly and and behind closed doors. That's not good enough anymore.

And I don't think that the people of Texas are looking for that type of leadership. They want somebody who's going to get it done. And that was a big issue in this election cycle. In fact, I think at one point, Ken Paxton had mentioned he would drop out of the race. The Senate leadership would get the Save America Act passed. And that's something that voters look to.

And they said, that is leadership. That's somebody who's fighting for me. And that's what they're drawn to. words. So I think it's an amnesty. It's the Save America Act. And it's also people just recognizing and feeling comfortable that the representative that they're sending to Washington is somebody who's looking out for them and not looking out for Washington, D.C. or foreigners or anybody else. Yeah. Well, and they make a, you know, and I actually, you know, I might take some heat for this, but I don't think Cornyn's a bad guy. I think he just has bad ideas. And I think,

you know, he's just out of state. up with where the base is at and where the party is gone he he he mattered he was with the party 20 years ago yeah it's 20 years later yeah it is yeah congressman you are with the party where it's at now and we you know we have your back and we expect and hope for great things from you and so uh thank you for making the time and coming in and chiming in it's important that we take the right lessons out of last night but either ways you slice it it was a magnificent result so god bless you man we'll uh We'll see you soon. Awesome.

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to-do list and the top of their mind, which I love. So we'll get some clips on that. Also, AOC is wearing a hijab in front of Mom Dani, which is... That was yesterday, but nonetheless. I just saw it now. Yes. But I want to zero in on this fraud thing because I think it's one of the best things this administration is doing, especially when you talk about, you know, there's people in

the base or in the movement that are frustrated about Iran or what have you. Remember, there is a lot of firepower. being aimed right here addressing issues right here at home, like fraud. And this clip ended up kind of making the rounds yesterday. I posted it as well. This is Stephen Miller talking about just how widespread the fraud really is. Pay attention to everything he says here, because if it's even somewhat true, 50% true,

the opportunity is extraordinary. SOT 3. Fraud is every bit as bad as President Trump said it was and even worse. All of the systems in our country, country were set up based on the honor system. They're set up based on the idea that you could trust the average person through their own morality to abide by the rules and comply with the law. We became a society, as you've seen with the Somali refugee problem in Minnesota, where you have a large number of people that are not following the honor system. They're not playing by the rules. They're not abiding by our laws. And the amount that has been fleeced from us is in the hundreds of billions of dollars. I believe based on what I've seen, what I've heard is that we could balance the federal budget if the only dollars that went out of the treasury went to individuals who are properly, lawfully, correctly eligible to receive them. So just making sure you heard that last line.

Again, that was from yesterday, it's not the cabinet meeting, but he said that he believes, from what he's seen and what he's heard, that we could balance the federal budget if the only dollars that went out of the treasury went to individuals who properly, lawfully, and correctly eligible, to receive them. Now, I don't know that if that's 100% true, but it's directionally true. And that means that we owe it to American taxpayers to make sure that we are being extraordinarily detailed and precise and holding accountable to fraudsters, but also making sure the dollars that leave the Treasury are going to people that actually deserve them and are eligible for them. Because if you can come close to balancing the federal budget, that would be an extraordinary

achievement. Now, we're not nearly there yet. We're at the tip of the iceberg stage, but they are taking this issue extraordinarily seriously. And I think one of the reasons is because it's extraordinarily politically popular, and it should be. This is not one of those issues that, you know, we're used to vice presidents getting these pet projects, borders Zarr, Kamala Harris, and doing absolutely nothing with them. Instead, the vice president is on this like white on rice, and I'm here for it. Yesterday, he announced this bipartisan, partisan effort working with state AGs and even had the AGs of Oregon and Connecticut present. That's a good sign. That's a good sign. It's not 10.

One of the things we've realized in combating fraud is that the resources of the federal government while VAS can be supplemented and aided by a lot of the people who know best what's happening in their states, which is the Attorney General represented here today. And they have a lot of legal resources. They have a lot of prosecutorial resources. And of course, they have the desire to prevent fraud as much as we do. And so I appreciate these leaders for being here because we're going to work together, state and federal government to try to combat fraud. I'm particularly gratified here that this is not a partisan effort. I believe we have a couple of representatives from the Attorney General's in Connecticut and Oregon. And as I've said repeatedly, this is not need to be. This should not be a

partisan effort. Everybody should care about fraud. Everybody should care about rooting out fraud. Everybody should care about saving the American taxpayers' money. He's very charitable because I'm not sure that if you go to California, that they do care that much about rooting out fraud. I think they've created very successful systems of, we'll look the other way on fraud, and in return,

you keep getting your, for example, your union voters electing us, you can definitely, or your community members voting to elect us in blocks, you can very much get a self-sustaining system. And especially with something like Medicaid, most of the money is federal dollars. So you just have, it's classic

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Alex, welcome back, my friend. Good to see you. Great day to be on, Andrew. Thank you. Blake, nice to see you. It was a MAGA landslide. I think it's safe to say that. Sometimes you can make too much of the MAGA versus America first of it all.

It was a maga landslide last night. We've got a lot to get into with you, Alex, but got to start there because it's the number one story in the country today. What are the right takeaways from last night and what would be the wrong takeaways? from last night. So I think the right one is what you said, Trump's in command of the party, the Trump endorsement certainly sealed the deal.

But I think looking at the margin, there are people who are asking me who are pretty knowledgeable, Andrew, they pay attention to this stuff. They were asking me pretty late in the day yesterday, does Cornyn actually have a chance? I said, hell not. He absolutely does not.

He's going to lose my lot. And I think part of it is because the base is so much smarter than people give them credit for. And this is something that I learned very early at Breitbart News. I remember I started Breitbart first employee, so almost 18 years ago. The audience is super smart. They know who's real and who's fake.

I think we saw that last week with Massey. Too many people started to think he was fake. People know Ken Paxson is the real deal and John Corna is not. Ken Paxson is a fighter. He is pursued. He has pushed the agenda. He's a thermostat. He is not a thermometer.

He is someone who adjust the temperature. Gone after Netflix. Gone after META, gone after Google, gone after pharma. A great guy on the border. Great guy in guns. But he's a really savvy politician. And we talked about this, I think last time we were on. But the way he got Trump's endorsement by backing Cornyn to a corner saying,

you get the Save Act done and I'll drop out. Corny couldn't pull that off. That got the Trump endorsement. Totally genius. He's going to crush Tala Rico and we're going to be celebrating in November. So Tala RICO, we had a lot of fun destroying him in our one. Honestly. As you shall.

You know, he is a heretic, actually, which I don't say lightly. but he i mean i just don't i've been wrestling with you know i okay put it this way i don't like to i don't know basically ascribe motive to certain things i don't like to ascribe malice to certain things if i don't know for sure i i cannot watch those clips in quick succession like we did in our one and not conclude fundamentally that he is a heretic um do you agree am i being too harsh no i think you're being right and i found a new data point well i I was going through my show earlier today because I was playing, of course, the clip that we've all played before of him using the Bible and the story of Virgin Mary in particular to justify abortion, which already is pretty demonic in and of itself. But there was another thing where he was talking about his vegan campaign.

And he was saying he doesn't want a vegan campaign, not because he doesn't believe in animal cruelty, but because he believes it's climate change. And I was just starting to think about, like, wait a minute, there was actually a chance for him to maybe draw on biblical principles to try to force some. sort of strained left-wing agenda, and he really made it about the climate. He made about the false pagan god of climate change, and it makes you think that he really truly is just a manipulator. And I don't think Texans are going to have any tolerance for this stuff, a guy who thumps the Bible to push a left-wing agenda, but then doesn't seem to actually understand the key tenets of Christianity itself.

I think this is really going to come out of the next few months. Yeah, I completely agree. And he's just such a beta. Okay, can we, do we have that, uh, that side by side between, uh, Beto and Taorico? We have that, right guys? There it is. He's even doing the same pose.

He's doing the like same pose. I, but I think Beto was a better candidate, honestly. He had it like a something. Like, I'll give him that, right? He was the fake Hispanic Irishman named Beto. I mean, it was just so perfect that we have this 100% Anglo background guy. Robert Francis O'Rourke goes by Beto running against, uh, you know, Raphael. Cruz, it goes by Ted. I just think that perfectly captures the two parties. Yeah. And so, you know, I see a lot of

people, I'm going to ask you the same question I asked Brandon Gill in hour one. Yeah. So a lot has been made about the moral, quote unquote, moral failings of Ken Paxton. And, you know, you got David French excoriating him and saying, you know, conservatives don't care about the morality of their, of their elected leaders. What do you make with those attacks? Because that's the same attack client that John Cornyn took, it's going to be the same attack line that that Talarico takes. What's your answer to that? Yeah, I think there's probably some stuff if you really want to parse through Paxton's history that's imperfect. But you can do the same with so many people, Donald Trump being one of them.

And I think ultimately a lot of people who are going to be voting, they're going to be looking at the future. And do you want to have a guy who is this beta? At Breitbart, this is, I don't think I've ever said this specifically, but we've stylized it now. my newsroom has permission not to capitalize the tea in Taurico. It can be low T all the time. They can always use low T. They're free to do that. That is site style.

So there's the news here on the show that you guys can hear about. I think that people are willing to forgive Paxton for any passage, which I can be honest with you. I haven't gone through them to the extent where I know if the court of public opinion has been accurate and them convicting him of this stuff. But I do think that when he gets to Washington, he's going to be a leader. He's going to fight the bad guys. He's going to fight the corporations. he's going to fight the establishment. And I just think the voter base of Texas is going to be very excited for that by November.

I mean, I believe that Paxton would have won without Trump's endorsement. I believe that. Do you agree? And what does that mean, if true? I think he probably would have if Trump did not endorse. And I got to think a little harder about it if Trump chose to endorse Cornyn and could he have overcome it. And I do think there is a possibility, which is why your question is so interesting. because, again, I think that people are so fed up with the fact that Cornyn 24 years in the Senate

and can't point to a single accomplishment. And none of you can't. There's none of you in the audience who can think of one thing. Please look me up on the Everything app. DM me. If there's something that Cornyn did. I got one. Okay, go ahead.

He raised $400 million for the Senate. And then he spent $150 on his own race. Yeah. Might as well have lit it on me. fire. You know something, Andrew? I bet you John Corny knows that. I bet you if you asked John Cornyn, what's your favorite thing? He probably said, yeah, I probably could have done more my time, quarter century. So it's the, if you've been in private. And I think that's the main thing that's at work here. I think the audience gets it. People are dialed in now. People are

smart. People pay attention. And I think they understand that. So I do think Trump's values are in command. And I think that's very good. I think Trump's mosaic where he picks and chooses the best ideas from Democrats of yesteryear from populace and even occasionally the establishment he seemed to take everyone's best ideas I think that's the ascended political worldview right now on the right so I want to flag something that Tala Rico he said I want to thank he said this last night as the results came in I want to thank Senator John Cornyn for his years representing our state we don't agree on everything but we still believe in public service

to Senator Cornyn supporters you have a place in our campaign is this going to work on anyone? That's awful. Who are these people? I don't think so. I think Cornyn already said he's going to support the Republican ticket. I think that's what Corny's so it's just so lame. And again, Tala Rico doesn't stand for anything.

What does he stand for? This is the whole point. This is the Democrat, the elephant in the room. They've got the weirdest people imaginable. They got Asan Piker, Graham Platner, James Tala Rico. That's the face of the party. And what do they stand for? Calling people like me and you racist.

They can't disavow their streak of political violence. It is really a great. going to be a tough slog for them. They've got a map that could maybe save them, and maybe some of Trump's policies are not totally popular yet. But overall, they're really putting together a pretty lame slate for a midterm year. Don't, don't forget that James Tala Rico was front and center when all the Democrats fled Texas to avoid getting arrested. I mean, he was, he was like their, you know, he was out front. I mean, he was leading that charge. And it was whole lawlessness and chaos. So, Alex, something near and dear to our heart here on the show.

because it was close to Charlie's heart is higher education. And we've got to destroy and crush the college cabal. Make it better, actually, right? We actually love learning here. We don't like wokeness. We don't like exorbitant costs that push off family formation and home buying in the American dream. But two interesting stories that I just happened to notice, and they seem connected. One is at Harvard University, the faculty is demanding a return.

to a, I guess courses will limit A grades to only 20% of enrollment. So over the last two decades, Alex, at Harvard, A grades had ballooned to about 60% of students. They were getting A's. Total grade inflation. 20 years ago, it was only 25%. Now they're demanding it go back to 20%. Meanwhile, in California, near and dear to your heart, Alex, the UC faculty is demanding a return to standardized test scores. because it has become so bad, especially in STEM fields, that they are having to return to teaching middle school math to some of the enrollees. Your take? Yeah, I think this all starts

to the teachers' unions. This has been the original sin of America's failing education system, which are essentially just vehicles for Democrat left-wing politics, try to woke fire schools. They've ruined our primary and secondary schools, and I think that's part of the problem that gets up to the universities. Federal government, of course, has ruined the universities in many ways by allowing these loans, which have just been slush funds for the universities. So students borrow on the cheap and they just all goes to these universities, makes them all fat and happy. There's no diversity there. So as Charlie wrote better than anyone, I mean, this is a completely broken system. And there's really not a lot of hope that things could fix it.

This is probably good starts, but they're not going to call out the real problems. They're not going to say the unions need to get out of the way in the public schools and we need to start having excellence. When you start demanding parents step up and work more with their kids, their students, so that there's a higher demand on excellence at a younger age, none of that stuff's going to make it all the way down to the families and the communities. But it is at least nice to acknowledge that perhaps with under left-wing guidance, our schools have just failed. They just crashed. Well, it's just we've, we basically did three decades worth of institutional destruction in the course of one or two years, circa 2020. We had the abolish the police virus, which a lot of people

remember, which manifested not just in terms of cutting police officers, but making it harder for them to do their job, telling them don't enforce certain laws. And so we had a surge of murders, a surge of thefts, a surge of car crashes, that's underappreciated. And the school version of this is in a matter of weeks, you just had this cascade of school saying, we're going to get rid of not just standardized tests, but a lot of them gutted the integrity of their classes where you can get infinite accommodations for your finals,

you maybe don't need to take a final at all, you can retake assignments over and over again, and this also infests lower levels of school, and we've just totally gotten away from what is, frankly, an obvious fact, which is you can't measure any form of ability or

knowledge acquisition unless it's possible to fail, and if there's a real expectation that you need to show, mastery. And if we don't have that, why are we spending billions of dollars on the school system at all? Just set up a bunch of daycares, because that's all they are. Yeah, that's what they are. So it's really when we got away from any sort of a standard, when we got away from we're trying to have it be a meritocratic education system. Once we opened that up, once it became a slippery slope that was inevitably we were going to prioritize things like diversity and wokeness and the priorities of the people who funnel the most money into

the system like the universities and that's just what it became it just these schools are just incubators for the dumbest ideas on the planet as charlie often would point out and they're not really if they're not even a semblance of what they could have been should we start valuing merit again well you know it's interesting here i actually look at this as like a broader cultural trend and so i'll direct my remarks to the accelerationist the burn it all down people let's just let Democrats take control so we can create a Republican Party more in our image. Okay. This is all about a concept of headship, okay? When at the top of your culture, your family, your business, your country, you have a strong leader that demands change in transformation and getting back to

things like meritocracy, the abolishment of DEI that tends to filter down, even when they fight you, right? So you've got lawsuits against Harvard. You got lawsuits against Columbia. You got lawsuits against California schools. Eventually, that headship starts to filter down throughout the rest of your culture. And you're seeing that in higher education as the vibe shift happens, as the feelings towards meritocracy shift. And as we sort of get past some of these dumber ideas of the woke, you're seeing this transformation, which can ultimately have a profound transformational effect on your entire culture. You're seeing this at higher education now. If you go back to the 1930s, For example, there's a little known story about the NYPD

where they had standardized civic service exams. Blake might know this story. Oh, yes. This is the infamous, the test where they just said, it was the Great Depression. And they just said, well, we need to hire some people. Just give a test, basically just an IQ test, hire the best performers. Only the best. No other rules, no other standards.

And, of course, this was the greatest hiring class in NYPD history. The greatest hiring class of it. They called a class of geniuses. And these people were all promoted to higher ranks. crime drop like a rock it was absolute pure meritocracy distilled down at the most basic local civic level and guess what the results were magnificent we could see that across the country if we just got back to super simple standard things like oh standardized test scores at higher education we see this again and Alex I'm trying to trying to bring in California for you because

I know I know it's near and dear to you you see this with what's happening in the Spencer Pratt campaign. And I believe this fundamentally. The reason that he's having success, yes, he's a great campaigner. But it's not ideological. It's about competence at the local level. Being a mayor is not, can you be the most communist mayor in the planet, Mayor Mom Donnie or Karen Bass? It's can you balance the books? Can you clean up the potholes and the graffiti and the homelessness? And that's why he's having such resonance, I think, in the city of Los Angeles. But before I get ahead of my Alex, you know the city well. Does Spencer Pratt have any chance of actually pulling this off? I really make a point not to be a total bummer. So I'm not going to give you my taking out of context

answer. I will tell you this. I love everything he's talking about to the point that he's demanding competence from our leadership and we need that. What my biggest fear is, first of all, the unions yet again are Democrat political arms. They run the city and wherever the unions go, if they're in lockstep behind a certain candidate, that candidate always wins, and he's going to have to break that mold. And he's going to have to do it by getting liberal Democrats to vote for him, because all the Republicans have left. Like for me, for example, I live in L.A. County. I live just north of the city of L.A. I can't even go vote for him, which I would love to do because I live by five miles. I don't live in the city technically. So he's got to get actual liberal Democrats to show up and vote for him.

And maybe he can do it because, again, he's so nonpartisan. He's only talking about competence. and I love it, but I got the proofs in the pudding. What about Steve Hilton? A better chance in the sense that the Democrats blew up their own spot with their ridiculous jungle primary system. But the path is much easier if Hilton and Bianca are the top two vote getters in the primary, which seems far, far fetch still. We can hope.

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I know that's a very important distinction. So, Josie, so good to have you. You are one of my favorite follows on X. I think you are smart. I think you are the opposite of cringe, whatever that is. You tell it like it is and you're very insightful and just great analysis. And I wanted to have you on because I got myself into a little bit of a back and forth with Thomas Massey accidentally. I did my best, Josie, to try and stay out of that race.

I really did. Because two things can be true at once. And that is that Charlie had great respect for Thomas Massey. And he also had great respect for the president. And I also, like I said, I did try and say it. I didn't make any comments about it before the election, before the Tuesday, last Tuesday election. but we had a caller call in on Friday. So it was after the election results were already in that he had lost.

He had conceded. And they asked about it. And I explained that, yeah, I did have a private conversation with Charlie after the big beautiful bill where he expressed frustration. Okay. So then Mr. Thomas Massey, somebody clipped it. And Thomas Massey sort of alleged that I was or this show was distributed by Israel or something, which is not at all true. We're here on Real America's voice. Israel does not control us. We're not beholden to Israel. All that is true as well. But in general terms,

in broader terms, besides that little scuffle, I'm not an enemy to libertarians. I don't agree with libertarianism in a lot of things, but I also understand that we make better friends than enemies. And I want to make sure that we're paying heed to this because if you look at the generational breakdown of that race, that is the thing that gives me pause. It was the 65 and over. that went really hard for Galrain. Anybody under 65, however, Josie was big for Massey. And Massey is not my enemy. We did not get involved in that.

I want to make sure that we are uniting the clans, not dividing them. And so I guess the question to you, Josie, is what right now is inside the libertarian mind and thinking what are the problem spots? What do we need to be aware of? And then I want to talk about solutions because we need to grow the coalition, not not shrinking. And I'm afraid that after the mass he lost, there's a lot of libertarians that are feeling betrayed by MAGA. That's a really great way to put it. So it wasn't just MAGA that got Trump elected. It was the coalition, as you said, it was MAHA, those MAHA moms. It was the

libertarians. It was disaffected liberals. And they all came together on a common platform. We don't want war. We want healthier food. We want the spending to go down. We want less debt. You know, all things that are very universal. And Trump came with this platform that, that promised all of these things. And so we all united behind him. And when it comes to libertarians, I mean, I'm a small L libertarian. So there's, there's, I do want to explain this. So small libertarians and so small libertarians, so small ill libertarians, I'm very constitutional, very bill of rights, very sort of founding fathers. That's, that's what a small libertarian is. And that's like Rand Paul, Thomas Massey, Mike Lee, they're all small ill libertarians as well.

When it comes to Big L libertarians, those are the people in the party who might, you know, take their clothes off and stand on stage and say that we should sell crack to babies. Those are big L libertarians. So they're two very, very different things. So even in my title on X, I'm the redheaded libertarian, I have a small L and that drives people crazy, but it's very important distinction. Make sure we get that distinction on the lower third, therefore. Can we change that to the redheaded small L libertarian? Okay, continue. All right. So when it came to you, and that split. So all I like Angela McArdle did a lot of work between the Libertarian Party and MAGA while we were helping to try to get Trump into office because there was a coalition. There were common goals. And you know, what sucks is we don't have libertarians, small L libertarians don't have very much representation. We don't have very much representation. And was it 25?

million dollars was put into getting rid of our representation. And that's going to be really hard for the small ill libertarians to come back from. Now, small ill libertarians don't, we don't go to the Democrat side. Okay. We just like what Thomas Massey had said probably a few years ago, he said, you know, there's a reason why all the smell of libertarians in Congress have an R by their name, because that's, that's how we get that representation. So we're not going to go become Democrats. We're not going to go vote for Democrats. What happens? is we were excited to vote for Trump. We were really excited. We really believed in his message. And now we're demoralized. Now there's a demoralization. And demoralized people don't vote.

You know, they're like, all right, whatever. You know, we were betrayed ones. Why would we ever, why would we ever trust this again? So that's, that's going to be the issue with getting the small L libertarians back on board is the demoralization. However, the way that we should go forward with this is there is a post-Trump future. There is going to be a time where he's no longer in office and there's never going to be a populist like him again. So when it comes to that, that's what small libertarians need to figure out how to vote, how to get behind that message and how to kind of get the message of the Constitution and in that back into the agenda. Well, listen, Josie. Oh, go ahead.

Well, I was just thinking like what does stand. out for that libertarian faction because what stands out with me with massey for example he was is famous as one of the more libertarian members of congress but his branding over the past year is not on what i would say is a particularly libertarian issue i don't know that there's a specific libertarian nexus to epstein stuff but what are the issues that stand out the most to small l libertarians in your view spending um abiding by the constitution so one thing that Thomas Massey does is he is rigidly for the Constitution. And that's okay. That's how we're supposed to be. Once you make one compromise that leads to another compromise, which leads to another and where do you draw the line?

So he doesn't ever bend against that. Everything he's done is for the Constitution, for the country, for what our founders envisioned, every single thing. So we would like to hold as close to that as possible because, you know, compromises lead to more compromises. and at what point do you draw the line? What point do you say, okay, no more compromises. We shouldn't compromise the Constitution at all. It's the law of the land. Yeah, so Josie, Josie, I actually, I want to keep taking our medicine here because I think it's important. We add another segment with you.

We can focus on the future there, but I want to make sure we learn the lesson of the present right now. So, for example, I will give Thomas Massey credit with the big, beautiful bill, for example. Like, he stripped some things out of that, ultimately got some stuff accomplished, then still didn't vote for the final bill, but I think that was still productive. right um and i i love him on maha i love him on spending i love him on war the the the question is right now where are small l libertarians feeling most betrayed i i understand the the race with massey is is demoralizing and a lot might stay home and i think that's a problem but but what other issues is it is it is it is it a sense of corruption or you know spending too much like what are the

Say that again? It's the wars. It's the foreign aid. Those are the things. So when Trump came to the libertarian convention to, you know, to talk to the libertarians, he made us, he made the country 20 promises. He made us about 32 different promises, sort of statement promises and then implied promises. So, you know, he said, I'm the anti-war president. And what are we supposed to think from that, you know? And then about cutting the aid, he promised to give.

the neocons out of the establishment and drain it of the globalists and drain it of the communists. And I feel like he's got Lindsey Graham standing next to him on every take endorsing this war with Iran. And that's against and one thing that I've heard more than anything is when President Trump encouraged people to listen to Mark Levine and Mark Tieson that I have heard that so many times being like, people just being like, what are we doing here? Because that did feel, I think, especially to a small L. Libertarian, like a betrayal of maybe the things he said to the convention. But continue. Yes.

So it's the foreign aid. The big beautiful bill, for instance, had hundreds of millions of dollars going to, like, Egypt. That's not a kitchen table issue to me, you know, hundreds of, like, going. Then we had Israel. There were actually two different, two different sets of money that were going to Israel. So it's all this foreign aid. Then there was, there's nothing about the safety. Act wasn't put into the big beautiful bill. There was things that were sort of promised to go into it

that weren't into it because Thomas Massey couldn't get them in. And there's a deep state that's still there no matter what we want to think. That's preventing a lot of the stuff that needed to go into the bill to not go into the bill. So there was still a tremendous amount of spending. We were still going to have a deficit problem. And Thomas Massey has always voted against spending. The one time he didn't vote against spending. It was one time. And that was because he was told that or into the bill was written that there would be a 1% cut in spending every single year. And so he's like, well, I'll vote for that because that's a cut in spending. So he did. And then right after that, it was stripped from the bill. You can look this up. Wow. Okay. I got a note from somebody that's

watching the show right now. And they totally disagreed with my take. And they said, what pissed people off, his words, is the grand standing on Epstein and Israel. He went from being principled to searching for clicks. Now that's not my words. I'm just, somebody's getting mad at me, and that's their perception of Thomas Massey. Maybe address that. Well, he ran on the platform that Trump ran on before he got elected

was I'm going to reveal the Epstein files. And I mean, I've only read them because of him. I've been through them. I've read, well, as many as I could, you know, there are three million of them. But we only know what happened because of them. We know Lex Wexner was, very involved. We know

Howard Lutnik lied to Congress. We know all of this now. So there were Trump's friends that were getting embarrassed when this happened. And I mean, then there was a ton of money that came after him for that. It wasn't him searching for clicks. It was him running on Trump's platform because that's what his constituents voted for. And that's what they were promised. And that was him trying to fulfill that. And I know it might feel like clicks,

like trying to get clicks. But if you know who Thomas Massey is, he's very principled. No, I, listen, and that has long been the way people perceived him. He was, he was just this like MIT guy that, you know, I think, doesn't he do like raw milk and all that stuff? He does that, right? Yes. Yeah, he's, and very principled and he's, there's a lot of stuff to really admire about him. I certainly agree.

But, you know, I think what this is getting at is when it was like, you know, the Roe Kana and the, you know, calling Republicans the Pito protection party and things like that. I think, I think, you know, eventually you're going to make some enemies when you do that sort of thing. So listen, I understand both sides of the argument. I was going to be willing to live with whatever the results were. But again, learning our lessons here because I want to make sure that we don't alienate the small ill libertarians. I think it's really important to build the coalition as big as we can. Politics is about addition, not subtraction. Okay. So how big of a deal? And is there any coming back? Because you mentioned the Iran. war. You know, we've got this potential peace deal on the table right now that I'm hoping gets

over the finish line. I'm certainly praying for peace. I want us to focus domestically. I want us to get rid of Lindsey Graham. I want the warmongers out. I want to stop it. Peace is the future. I really believe that. Can we overcome the Massey loss, the demoralization? Will the peace deal make a significant improvement in that, or is it too little too late? The peace deal will be very helpful. Massey filed paperwork to run for something in 2028, and that's going to give small, L. Libertarians, some degree of hope, whether it's to get his seat back from Edgel Raine. I don't know if they're going to put another $25 million to take the seat away.

I don't know. Trump will be on his way out the door at that point. So that'll give smaller libertarians something to rally behind. But aside from that, it's the spending and it's the war, and those are the really big things. Massey was the one who went on the floor and he demanded a quorum. He demanded that people for the CARES Act didn't stay home and that the Congress went to work and they voted so that the country wouldn't die in an empty chamber. It's a very famous speech that never would have happened if we didn't have a principled

constitutionalist in Congress. So it's really hard that we're not going to have that anymore for another two years and just the things that that could happen, the things that won't be exposed because of that. But Trump can, and it's not just the small libertarians. It's the young people. I mean, it's the people TPA USA serves. No, I told it. This is why I'm having this conversation, Josie, because you're right. It's not just a small.

It's to the extent that young people are engaged in politics, a lot of it is tinged with the, the small ill libertarian i mean a lot of young people just think that way intuitively and i think that's that's great and fine because it again this adherence to the constitution these uh foundational principles i think it's really important and you're and this is why i took such note of the massey race is because i saw the demographic breakdown so if you are not 65 plus you were voting for thomas massy it is in some ways the future now some of those people might shift their voting patterns as they get older i don't i don't know but but the point is this is really important that we deal with this because a lot of these kids are going to stay home.

A lot of these kids, they don't know how to defend what's happening in Iran. They don't know how to defend any tinge of censorship, right? So these are these are these big overarching issues and basic principles that we need to adhere to. If we're going to have any hope, the question I guess is it's and I'm kind of getting at different angles of this. But is hope lost or can we recruit these people back to show up? Maybe not for the midterms, but 2028. Trump needs to leave Thomas Massey alone forever. Like he needs to drop it with that because every single time he says he does anything for against Thomas Massey, he loses more.

He loses more. And he doesn't just lose the small libertarians. He loses the young people. And so that's got to stop. And I know he's he doesn't have Charlie as his advisor anymore. He has Mark Levin. So that vacuum, that void that Charlie when, when he, when he left us, that was opened up to forces. that are not for what he believed in and they slid in and now they're in his ear.

And so if somebody else could could sort of get in there and talk to him or if Mark Levin can get out of there, that would be the best thing for the country. And when it comes to the young people, people always say our country was founded by a bunch of old white guys. No, it was founded by guys in their 20s and 30s. Thomas Jefferson was like 33. This is the age. This is the age of the enlightenment. This is the age that builds revolutions.

And that's why it's so appealing to Turning Point USA and to the small libertarians who aren't that young anymore but are still feeling that. Well, I know, Josie, that I can't remember the context of it, but some sort of controversy, a little dust up on Twitter or something happened and Charlie reached out to you. and I know it meant a lot to you where he said,

well, we'll keep you, Josie, with a smiley face. And you put it up, I didn't realize, you told me that story, but I didn't realize you had it on your Twitter profile. And I feel the same about you, Josie. We'll keep you. I think you're truly one of the good ones and your heart is completely in the right place. Even if we disagree about certain things, I know that you're always down to have a conversation and to talk it out.

And some people aren't. And that's great about you. And so anyways, I think this is important. I hope people understood the heart of this conversation is that, like, we need to keep the bridge with small ill libertarianism. Like, even if you disagree with a bunch of the policies, you can understand that we need to grow the coalition and keep the coalition together. And, you know, we need to keep young people engaged and give them hope. And a lot of young people are very idealistic. And when they see hypocrisy or the things that don't make sense, they tend to give in denialism.

We can't let that happen either. So Josie, the red-headed libertarian, Small L, thank you for joining us today and for coming on. It's great to be back. Thank you. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.