The Charlie Kirk Show - The Issues Moving Gen Z And Maryland’s Breaking Point

Episode Date: February 11, 2026

Two Turning Point chapter presidents break down the All American Halftime Show and why issues like voter fraud, affordability, and free speech are driving attention among young voters. New footage emerges in the Nancy Guthrie kidnapping case. Plus, Aaron Sibarium discusses the disaster of far-left rule in Maryland, where an entire apartment complex are about to be forcibly evicted because the state refuses to break up a massive homeless encampment. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com! Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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the students that are out the front lines. They're the tip of the spear on their college and high school campuses, so we want to hear from them, and I think for you in the audience, it's a really important learning opportunity to hear directly from our students. So today we have Leona Salinas from Texas State. She's the chapter president there at Texas State. Welcome, Leona. And then we have Ben Mason, Providence Academy, Club America, chapter president.

So we've got a high schooler and a college student as well. Leona and Ben, welcome to the show. Thank you so much for having me, Andrew and Blake. I really appreciate this opportunity. Absolutely. Yes. Thank you very much for having us. Yeah, absolutely.

First thing to open with, did you guys watch the All-American Half-Time show? Oh, of course. and it was just a marvel to watch. I mean, I really appreciated how they made it, I'm just going to be blunt, American. I mean, this was our nation's sesquintennial, right? 250 years of everything that has made America great and free. And the fact that some people had issue with that,

I think is just outrageous. I loved how they made it just have American values and just spread of Christianity through with Robert Ritchie and what he said about just in the TILA, Till You Can't, I think is a song, or Till I Can't, and just how they made the song about, like, God and of how, like, chasing him and Christ. And as, as a Christian country, that's what we should pursue, not what the normal halftime show was going like. Yeah, well, and I love that part that you're talking about. It's like, Till You Can't is the clip.

Yeah, so this is the clip, 222, get it ready. So it was a hit song that he's actually doing a cover of And that God woke him up in the middle of the night and said There's one more verse that needs to be written for this song 222 There's a book that sitting in your house somewhere That could use some dusting off There's a man who died for all our sins Hanging from the cross

You can give your life to Jesus and give you a second chance till you can't. A really beautiful moment there. Absolutely. So did you hear your friends talking about it or is this just because you guys were connected to turning point that you heard about it?

I mean, I couldn't turn to a place, whether in social media or in person, where someone wasn't talking about it. This seems to be taking over our nation right now and I feel like as it should be, because these are conversations that we should be having. And essentially in comparison to bad bunnies, I think the representation and the symbolism that we carried in our half-time show and our all-American halftime show were absolutely everything that represents the NFL's key demographic and the fact that it was just the biggest day in American sports. Yeah, people don't realize this.

It's actually the biggest social media day as well. I mean, that's not surprising at all. We heard that from our reps at YouTube and at X. And so it's like, I mean, it's just a ton of people. It has to be that or an election. Just everyone has to react to every clip of this or that. Well, even on a very boring game like that one. It was a terrible game.

Terrible game. Can't be said enough. Can't be said enough. What about you, Ben? Did you hear people talking about it? Did we cut through the zeitgeist? Yes, they did. They loved it.

They loved watching the American side of the halftime show more than the bad bunny. Whenever we heard about bad bunny going on, we're just like, hey, why is this guy going on here when he doesn't even speak English? He's promoting Puerto Rico and just wanting that culture a lot more and says that he won't have English in his music, which is crazy. And it was just super shocking for most students in my school. And because of that, they were just so excited to have where they can incorporate American values into the song through having Turning Point USA make their own. And something where it's not, because we can see in the NFL that they're just like they become so woke if we look back into black lives matter and

putting all the George Ford signs on their back of their helmet and just the woke ideologist keeps perpetuating through having bad bunny on there and just having just bad kind of music where they want people to listen and just want to just instill them with this thing that's just not good for us as citizens and people who love America. And it's just great. I think for everybody at Providence Academy at my school and from other schools that I've heard of that they just love to hear just the American value side and having just Christian, Judeo-Christian values, those kind of things incorporated into that too. So, Ben, Providence Academy. Are you in Minnesota? Is that the one in Plymouth? No, no. We're actually located in Tennessee, Johnson City. Oh, all righty, all right.

Well, it's a good name for a school. But regardless, I want to ask both of you, Charlie very much wanted to be in touch what youth are talking about, what they think about things. So each of you in turn, maybe Ben first, just what are, when it comes to political issues, what is resonating with people at your school? How are they reacting to what's been in the news maybe with ICE, with affordability issues, any AI, any of that stuff? What are they talking about as we go into this midterm year? And you can be honest if some of them are. disappointed in the president or whatever, we want to know that. Yeah, so as we're going in the midterms, the conservatives on my school and how they're feeling

with the main issues would be just the immigration enforcement. It needs to be bipartisan. It has to be a bipartisan issue because there's just so much polarization between the Democrats and the Republicans and the Democrats don't want the bill and don't want to have the AES code 1325. They don't want to kick out the people. that are illegally here, and we need that to happen because of all the horrible things that come from having illegals here, and they're coming here illegally, they're committing crimes,

and Democrats need to start getting on the boat with that and wanting that too, because if they don't in the next four years, or next two years, actually, we're going to see in 2028 if the Democrats win the election, they're going to completely change that, and it's going to be a place where we're going to have illegals coming back into the country, like we've seen in Biden's term where there was about 10 million illegals that came across the border. And we need that to change. And we need people like Tim Walts and Jacob Frey who are attempting subvert the will of the people. We need them to stop spreading their false rhetoric and just commenting on the ice and saying that they're like Gestapo and there are people who are trying to hurt the American citizen by quoting

the killing of Renee Good and Alex Prittey and saying that's just like horrible issue. And that's like the fall of ice ages. Yeah. Yeah. What about you, Leona? What are the top issues that you're hearing about or that you're feeling personally? So a couple days ago, I was watching Fox News, and they recently did a poll that said all of Americans, their biggest concern, well, at least 40%, 46% of Americans are concerned mostly about the cost of living.

Who isn't right now? I mean, trying to recover from, you know, bionomics and such. But I think the issue is specifically that Republicans, you know, that Republicans, I think we have an issue with voter complacency, right? And the reason why is because the Democrats do nothing but fearmonger, right? Every time they go to the ballot box, it's always, hey, it's life or death. Trump's either going to try and kill you or deport everybody who's a citizen, right? Since things have been going a little bit better for Republicans and Trump isn't on the ballot,

I'm afraid that we might not be as inclined to go vote. And I think that's very intimidating because right now all I see is the Democrats are trying to impeach Trump. And I think that's a real possibility that we need to be looking out for because if we don't take action soon, we could lose everything. Do you feel, Leona? Do you feel that they're like that complacency has taken hold? Like, do you see that with conservatives on your own campus? Like, is that a real concern? Are they, is the fire flagging compared to last year? Absolutely. I'm not saying that the spirit isn't there, but when it comes down to actually going and voting, we just kind of have an issue with thinking everything is going to be okay because eggs are down 89% since Trump took office

and gas is down a dollar since last year. And so we actually see these positive effects coming out from the Trump administration. So we become comfortable in that and we think we need to stop moving. But the Democrats, because they are fearmongered by everything, they never stop moving. So I think we need to enhance that. And my biggest personal concern, I would say, is voter fraud. As America turns 250 years old this year, we want to help good ranchers take a moment to remember the people who help build it. Not the ones in the history books, but the ones who woke up before the sun, season after season, without seeking any sort of applause. And those people are America's ranchers.

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American Meat delivered. Leona, you were saying you're worried about voter fraud. Have you been paying attention to what's going on in Fulton County, Georgia? I'm vaguely familiar, but I don't know the in-depth details of it. Fair enough. But being in Texas, this is still something that you're concerned about. Is this what other students are talking about in your chapter? I try and bring it up to the chapter.

I'm going to be completely honest, being so close to Austin, we have a myriad of issues specifically with viewpoint discrimination. We have so many things we have to deal with, but especially with these upcoming midterms, voter fraud is something that is pressing on all of our minds, incredibly so. Got it. Are you guys worried about AI, H-1Bs? As you're thinking about going into the workforce. Is that something kids are talking about? Not as much. We're usually more concerned on things that really, I know they do affect us. Everything that's going on right now is affecting us. But we're more concerned on things that directly affect us that we can kind of fix. ourselves. Okay. Like what? Like I was saying, viewpoint discrimination, right? So we have a lot of registration and as well as professors who try and push back on us when in terms of when we're trying to get speakers, when we're trying to even table or just even just have a conversation with professors. They don't want to engage with us and not only that, but then they do want to shut us down.

And they let socialist organizations run amok and do whatever they want and cause quite literally the anarchy on campus. In the great state of Texas, San Marcos, right? Isn't that what you guys are at? Yep. I call it Austin by extension. Yeah, exactly, the greater Austin area. What about you, Ben? What are you hearing the chatter from the students, not necessarily conservative ones. What are you hearing on campus when kids are talking to political things or cultural things? Well, I would say the thing that I'm hearing a lot from students is about just the news outlets and how like the woke ones especially how they go and they try to spread a lot of propaganda and tell this false narrative about just what's happening in society going back to ice and just like

telling stories that aren't true or half true ben or something that's like completely made up and that does it succeed like is that unfortunately like is it getting in people like do you hear people say the oh you know oh i saw this thing about ice is killing citizens they're killing people Exactly. Do people repeat that? Yeah. Yes. Do you, do you, where are they getting their news, Ben? Is it mostly TikTok or where do they get? Yeah, TikTok, Instagram, Snapchat even has their own like thing that you can go through and you can just find the news and just like there's some people on the like on the way radical left to just explain the news.

Like no, that's not true. It just their way of putting their own thoughts into it and Leon, Leon, they're in their own brand of. Leona, are you feeling the same? Is that most people are getting their news from social media, TikTok, Instagram? Oh, absolutely. Usually it's so hard to even have a conversation with somebody when they don't even understand what's going on. I mean, a lot of people get their social media,

not, I mean, their news, not just from social media, but it's very watered down because someone gets it from a TikTok reel and then says it to another person and another person and it gets completely diluted. That and Dean Withers, unfortunately. Oh, geez. Well, just remember, employ Charlie's method when you're having these conversations, ask questions, drill down on kind of their core assumptions. And once they reveal themselves, then you can sort of dismantle that core assumption. So ask a lot of questions. Where did you get that? Who told you that? What was their source? That kind of thing.

And then you'll get to the root of the issue most often. Leona and Ben, thank you guys so much for making the time and joining the Charlie Kirk Show. It's so important to hear from you directly from the source. The students out in the field. You are brave. You are the front lines. Tip of the spear. And we salute you. Thank you for your courage. Thank you. I could add one more thing, actually, about what she was saying earlier about voter ID.

Yeah. So going with voter ID, the thing that was passing in the House was the SAVE Act and already passed in there. And now hopefully it's going to pass in the Senate. And it's pretty funny, actually, because this is one of the issues that I'm facing at schools, people talking about just voter integrity like you were saying, Leona. and just that we need voter ID and all that. And that's coming from the SAVE Act, hopefully in the coming few months.

And it was pretty funny from this one guy who said Chuck Schumer, exactly, and he conflated the SAVE Act to be the same thing as the Jim Crow laws. And he says Jim Crow 2.0. And to me, there's no rational way to speak like that unless you're making it seem as if black people are less, intelligent and that they can't think clearly enough to get their citizenship proof for the voter ID and just their voting process in the election. And it was also that CNN came out and said that 86% of blacks and 82 or 83% of Latinos want the voter ID to pass. So then that our election process is fair and there's no questioning to for there to be.

fraud or anything like that. So I'm excited about that. Hopefully that will pass. Yeah. Yeah. We've been following it closely. We've been following it closely. So stay tuned on the Charlie Kirk show because we're bringing in, I think we have, there's a vote that's going to happen on tomorrow and then we're going to have Chip Roy on Thursday to talk more about it. So stay tuned with that. Thank you guys. Thank you guys. Thank you guys. God bless you. Stay safe. Stay courageous. Stay bold. Stay firm. We got your back. All right. Thank you so much. Appreciate it. Thank you guys. So I want to bring some breaking news here, guys we have there has been new images released by cash patel 341 342 of the suspect in the nancy guthrie kidnapping case this guy is fully masked gloves on his hand removing the ring doorbell and we've got

videos now yeah this is very creepy so this looks like somebody that knew exactly what they intended to do knew exactly what they were going to do and this is the video now they have retrieved this from remnant data that they collected from the ring doorbell that was actually removed. So they're obviously using pretty technical data specialists to retrieve this, this video. In the middle of the night, this guy came up, methodically removes the ring doorbell. Really, really creepy stuff. I mean, this is, you know, they're describing it as a needle in the haystack kind of situation. So we got to pray that they figure this out and they find this person because this guy's completely massed.

fingerprints, no nothing. Yeah, he clearly knew exactly what he was going for, but we can hope, you know, the FBI releasing footage from Utah Valley is what ultimately led to Tyler Robinson being turned in. So hopefully something very similar here. So there's another video here that the team has. Yeah, it's weird that they knew where the camera was. Go ahead and play this. 348. What stands out to me, too, is that remember how much we've talked about that and how dark it is, and that you can barely see what's in front of your own eyes. And I know it was a full moon, but he's under the portico there where it's probably very dark. He has no trouble identifying that there's a camera there.

It's almost as if he knows there's the camera there because it does appear as though he's trying to block the camera's vision of his face. This to me, I think you can easily kind of draw some conclusions here. It might be reasonable to say that was familiar. with that area, was familiar with the camera's location, and came prepared. Hi, folks, Andrew Colvett here. I'd like to tell you about my friends over at Y Reefi. You've probably been hearing me talk about Y Refi for some time now. We are all in with these guys. If you or someone you know is struggling with private student loan debt, take my advice and

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All righty. Our next guest here, we have Aaron Sabarium. He's an investigative reporter with the Washington Free Beacon. You might remember he was a guest in this studio, met with Charlie last August. And we've been following his work with great interest. He's done a lot of great work on sort of the DEI stuff that's been out there. He exposed a lot of racial discrimination and COVID stuff. And he has this story last week.

it's a little off brand from some of his prior stuff, but it's very interesting. I think it's worth keeping a good focus on the practical ramifications of far-left governance, and this is a great example of it. Aaron, are you there? I am. Howdy, Aaron? Welcome back to the show. I think I'll just let you kind of narrate this story here, but basically we've got a story in Maryland, in a suburb right outside the nation's capital, where they allowed a homeless encampment to spread so much And rather than evicts, you know, shut down the homeless campment, they are shutting down the actual homes next to it because they have destroyed it. Can you tell that story to us? Absolutely.

So the story begins two to three years ago when this homeless encampment first started to coalesce behind the Marylander condominiums in Prince George's County, Maryland. Basically, over time, the encampment evolves from a few tents into something more like a shanty town. slash open-air drug market. Drug dealers are dropping off packages of crack and fentanyl to the encampment in broad daylight. There's MS-13 activity in the area. There's tons of crime. And soon enough, people from the encampment start to break into the condominium and defecate in the stairwells, do drugs in the hallways, cause all sorts of problems.

And eventually they allegedly appear to have broken the heating system, which meant that half of the building was left without heat for the entirety of winter, including now when it's sub-freezing temperatures in Washington, D.C. As a result of this, the county, which had allowed the encampment to fester for years and refuse to arrest the people who were constantly trespassing on this condo's property, the county decides to evict not people from the encampment, but to evict residents of this condominium saying that the lack of heat has rendered it unfit for human habitation, or rather it rendered half of it,

the half without heat, unfit for human habitation. And so as a result, in the next couple weeks, hundreds of low-income, predominantly non-white families, are likely to be forcibly evicted from their homes, all because of this massive homelessness and really criminal and drug problem that a blue county allowed to fester. And I should note here that I think it was 86% of Prince George's County voted for Kamala Harris in 2024. Which is the reddest it's been. It's the highest. 20 years.

Yeah. It's, yeah. It is the, it is the most democratic county in the country. Technically, Washington, D.C., which is not a county, has a higher Democratic. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. And so you're saying they're doing drugs out in the open.

They're getting drug deliveries out in the open. There's gang members. And what was the statement of local police? I assume this had to be brought to their attention. Did they say anything about this camp? Yeah. So there is a video I have in my story where, where the, the property manager is basically asking a police officer to arrest a homeless woman who's trespassing in the parking lot.

And he says, well, there's so many of them and they're just kind of constantly coming through this hole in the fence that they created going back and forth. But there's just really too many of them for us to arrest. And in the same breath, he acknowledges that if he just tells her to leave, gives her a warning, she's going to come right back. So they know that just giving them warnings isn't sufficient. There's one case I talk about in my story where the police come, give someone a warning, and then 90 minutes later, they're back in the same stairwell smoking crack. So not arresting them doesn't solve the problem. It doesn't, it's not enough to just temporarily kick them out, right?

And it looks like we have a video. Yep. It looks like we also have a video where they almost seem to be like blaming the locals for this problem existing because they, you know, they do the do-gooder thing. and gives some food to them. Let's play this clip, 265. We do have information from some of our officers that have been doing surveillance that more than one of your residents have actually been coming out of their condo and delivering food to the unhoused population.

We have more than one verified citing of that. So as we know, if we're going to have residents enabling this behavior, this unfortunately complicates it as an additional burden. They should not be delivering food to the unhoused population. That's only going to incentivize the unhouse population to return and ask for more. I am losing my mind here. By the way, what you're talking, Aaron, just to watch Blake's facial expressions as you're describing the incidents, is a show unto itself. It's just unreal.

So that's literally their justification that someone felt maybe moved by Christian impulse or humanity. Impulse. Probably Christian impulse. Maybe to give food to this person and like it's the job of the police to say okay, but this is an illegal encampment. We can't allow this to spiral out of control. And that's their that's their argument. Well, it gets even worse. So you lose your home. Yeah. Tell us. Well, it gets even worse because at the same time that the police were telling residents of the condo don't feed the on-house population. The county itself for years has been delivering food to this very encampment through a street outreach program organized by the Department of Social Services. And furthermore, the police department itself also organized an outreach program sponsored by Wegman's grocery store that delivered food.

It sounds like at some point at least in 2023. There's a video we have in the story where the police officer who's describing this says, yeah, you know, we did this for a while. we were trying to build trust and get people connected with shelters and services, we stopped because the, this is his words, the severe drug addicts, just didn't want to get off the street because they liked, they liked their spot behind the condo where drug dealers would just drive through the parking lot and deliver them drugs, right?

They didn't have to deal with the rules and regulations of homeless shelters. And this police officer is quoted on video as saying that to get them off the streets, you literally would have to put them in handcuffs, right? So the county knows that this doesn't really work to get people out of there. It's a good impulse. It's well-intentioned. But it doesn't work by their own admission. And yet they kept doing it for years as they were.

I'm waiting for the reveal. I'm waiting for the reveal that like the crack is also supplied. Like the government has a crack lab and they're manufacturing that. And like the tents are all. going to be DHS issue or something. So this might feel to the audience is like a very niche story. It might feel, but I think it's really important. And here's why.

This is so indicative of left wing, far left governance. We're not talking like Mayor Daly in Chicago that was a Democrat, but the city ran and the trains ran on time. Now, that's not we're talking. We're not talking about that. This is a pathology of a certain ideology when it comes to, you know, You see this in New York. You see this in San Francisco. Los Angeles.

You see this in L.A. I saw it when I lived in L.A. The cities become completely ungovernable because they refuse to enforce basic law and order. Basic order does not exist. There's a related story that I saw, BART in San Francisco. They just installed new gates that you can't jump, turnstiles so that you can't jump them. And they were showing like the maintenance and fixates that they had to do. And it's literally fallen by.

over 90% or completely stopped. Like they went from, you know, we needed 80 visits to fix stuff at this one station. And it's down to two or one or zero because they just got rid of by making sure you couldn't break into the BART. You got rid of all the people who just go and randomly destroy things. I bet it's a lot safer then. Yes. Well, and that's an example of a city that's very far left doing something smart. And so, yeah, we wanted to have Aaron on about this, both to highlight his work.

And just I think it is a perfect symbol. Like this could be your city. if you give in to these sick people. I mean, candidly. I mean, it's just we don't enforce our laws. Like half the country is just like giving up and enforcing the laws, but it is an anarcho tyranny. This is a perfect anarcho tyranny story because the law-biting residents that pay their rent and that we're doing Christian good deeds to try and help these people giving them food,

they get punished. They get punished while their local leaders completely drop the ball. And it's a really disgusting story. Good work on this, Aaron. And this is, we follow your stuff a lot, just so you're aware, because you always come up with these stories that just like, you think they're parody, but they're actually true. This is not the onion.

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bit and there's so much you can find. And I want to remind people some of your hits. You uncovered Minnesota, Utah, I think New York State, all of them were doing racial discrimination with their COVID stuff. And then another story that there's been a recent update in, you have really made a a punching bag out of the University of California, Los Angeles. They've done a lot of discriminatory stuff illegally in California with their admissions to their medical school. And this is actually producing positive developments that aren't getting. Oh, wow. Yeah, they're not getting headline news yet stuff is moving forward.

Can you tell us a bit about that, Aaron? Yeah. So there was recently a lawsuit against UCLA Medical School by Students for Fair Admissions, which is the group behind. the Harvard affirmative action case that outlawed racial preferences and college admissions nationwide. And the lawsuit concerned UCLA medical schools, admissions policies, which are, as I've reported on, at length, extremely discriminatory against white and Asian applicants. The latest update is that the Trump administration has now joined the lawsuit against UCLA, the Justice Department filed a brief in the case.

And what makes this interesting is that the Justice Department managed to get its hands on MCAT data broken out by race for UCLA, which provides really, really strong circumstantial evidence of discrimination. I think you have the tweet up there right now. But yeah, it's something like Hispanic matriculence, you know, on average, scoring in the 66th percentile on average to get in. for Hispanic applicants and an Asian applicant would need 90th percentile. So that's a huge gap and that is racial discrimination. It's, we sometimes act exasperated, but we probably shouldn't because it is everywhere. But I feel like it's worth pounding the table on this, that America has racial discrimination under the guise of equality, under the guise of this is anti-racism.

And it's the exact opposite. And I think you've played a big role in really just calling that out for. for the flagrant lie that it is. Yeah, well, and Aaron, it's worth bringing up again that California has repeatedly voted against affirmative action policies, which this is, you know, akin to that. I don't, I don't see any other way to. They're trying to change the law again. They voted against it in 2020. Yeah, they voted against it in 2020.

They're trying again now. And this time they would leave it illegal in colleges officially, but as we see, they do it anyway. They do it anyways. That's the point. But they want to make it legal for elsewhere. Like they seem addicted to trying to legalize racial discrimination. It is. Yeah.

What's the basis of the lawsuit? Is it the 2020, you know, vote on, I believe it was, let's see here. It was Prop 209? Yeah, they reaffirmed Prop 2. The basis of the lawsuit is that we have, the Supreme Court has left more of an opening to this. Correct, Aaron, that the Supreme Court has sort of said, this is bad, but they're leaving it to lawsuits to really. make schools live up to it. Right, right. So, I mean, they're suing, I believe, under both the precedent created in Students for Fair Admissions in 2023 and California's Prop 209. You ask what the

lawsuits based on. I mean, the factual allegations in the lawsuit are basically almost entirely derived from a series of stories I did in the spring of 2024, where I got not just internal data and emails indicating discrimination, but also testimony from admissions officers, four admissions officers and some other people close to the process who all said, yeah, they're lowering standards like crazy depending on the race of the applicant. Yeah, and they're lowering standards. And then they told you that they're getting students as a result who are not prepared for a medical school curriculum.

And then they're also going out of their way to make sure they don't fail classes. it causes a little damage everywhere down the line. Wasn't there a famous case in California medical school? What was that case? I can't remember off the top of my head, but you're there. Baki. Baki. Yeah. All right. Tell us about, can you, do you have the details off the top of your head?

I don't remember all the details, but I think basically that is the one that, you know, kind of established that you can do affirmative action to some extent. extent, but only as a plus factor. You can't do quotas, but you can consider race because diversity has these supposed pedagogical benefits. I think that was the case. Yeah, that's the case where they established it. But there was actually a different one where there was a basically black doctor who,

it's a famous case because he ends up botching all of these procedures. Yeah, he was held up as this like, you know, this success story. And then he turned out having he, yeah, he was doing like illegal medical procedures. Killed some people. Yeah, I think eventually people died. He killed some people. So this is like, you know, it kind of, not to bring up a touchy, et cetera, it reminds me of when United Airlines basically declared that they were going to make 50% of their new pilot core, you know, minority or female. Exactly.

And then Charlie says, well, if they start doing that, then I'm going to start looking in the cockpit going like, boy, I hope you're qualified. Everybody took it as like a racial thing. He was saying, I don't do that now because we don't have these. insane quotas in place. But if you're going to start lowering the standards for minority applicants at medical schools, this is a huge potential problem and liability. And we have historical precedent, which proves that it's a problem. It actually is life-altering.

Aaron, I hate to put you on the spot, but I do, I love to use you as an example of just what people can do if they investigate things. So do you have any advice? Like, obviously there's so much UCLA is a school. It has campus reporters. A lot of our people, our viewers, people who follow us are students themselves, high school, colleges, law schools, and so on. Do you have any advice for someone who's thinking, I might be interested in this field, how they could, like, what could they look for in their own? Yeah, where do they start?

Yeah, what should they look at if they wanted to try to find examples of bad behavior in their own school or community? So it used to be easier because the schools would just post the illegal stuff online and they stopped doing that once Trump started. suing them and taking away all their money. What you should probably do now, and there's no guarantee this will yield fruit, but it's the best thing you can do, is make friends with a lot of professors. You're going to have a tough time making friends with administrators, frankly, if you're, right-wing and want to have an adversarial relationship to the school. But, you know, make friends with the professors or administrators if you can find them who are closet skeptics or outspoken skeptics of DEI.

kind of left-wing radicalism, because they're the ones who are going to know where the bodies are buried. I mean, that's the best thing you can do and establish a good trusting relationship where the professors will feel comfortable telling you things off the record or on background. That's old school. It sounds hard, but it's really, it does work because everyone is conservative about what they know best. So a ton of Democrat college professors hate what's happened to their schools. Aaron, Siberium, your work at the Washington Free Beacon. Thank you for coming on, check him out. Thank you, sir.

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