The Charlie Kirk Show - The Left's Modern Bolsheviks Attack Minneapolis Churches

Episode Date: January 19, 2026

For hundreds of years, the left has seen religion and in particular Christian churches as the enemy, and America got the latest reminder of that over the weekend when a mob disrupted a Christian worship service with the help of failed CNN anchor Don Lemon. The show explains the left's long history of anti-Christian hostility and calls for accountability. "Shepherds for Sale" author Megan Basham explains how this anti-Christian harassment is joined by steady internal subversion, and reacts to "rising star" Democrat James Talarico, a "seminarian," claiming that all religions are just as good as Christianity. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com! Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Happy Monday. The Bears lost. They did. That was it. I was on a plane when it happened. Oh, that's right. Yeah, you were coming back from the middle of the country. Yes.

Yeah, it was quite entertaining. It was a great game. And I, so having lived in California, I found like my, my, my, my, Flesh was like trying to root for the Rams, but then I wanted the bears to win for Charlie. So I was very, it was a weird experience. I don't think Charlie could ever make me a bear's fan. Well, fair enough. But I was, I was pulling for the cubbies.

That didn't happen. Cubs were okay. I was okay with the Cubs. I was pulling for the ducks. That didn't happen. I was pulling for the bears. And sadly that didn't happen. Although the late heroics from Caleb Williams to get that game tied up right there at the end was a

amazing actually that it was he ran 25 yards back 12 yard hail mary it was like well yeah it was it was crazy because he ran 20 25 yards back and the other thing that was crazy about this weekend was you had all these games in the snow right you had the bills games you had the the the Chicago game and you know and then you had all this stuff in Minneapolis it was like in a in a country that seems increasingly defined by the sun built and the warmer climates it was like the whole country was fixated on snowy environs And then the NFL's getting rid of all of them. That's really late. That's really late.

They're building more dome. Every time a new stadium, like the new chief stadium is going to be a dome, which is a mistake. Big mistake. And that sort of, in an roundabout way, leads us to the lead story today. Now, there's stuff going on in Greenland. There's developments in Iran. All of that stuff is important. We will get to it.

But I was horrified. Truly, truly disgusted, actually, in what happened in Minneapolis. And of course, what we're talking about is what happened at City's Church in Minneapolis when Don Lamon tags along with a group of far left agitators. And I would say communists even. And by the way, we're finding Bolsheviks. And this is what one of the things I want Blake to explain to the audience is the I think increasingly the best analogy for what's going on in Minneapolis. But you've seen it in Portland. You've seen it in L.A.

you've seen it in all these cities. You've seen it in Atlanta when they went after the police training facility. You see it with this Antifa front groups and these street gangs. They are neo-Bolsheviks. And one of the things that Bolsheviks

did is they targeted Christian churches. Every time. Every time. Every time. In fact, give us the background here. So it's, if you really just go into history, probably one of the most defining features of radical, left, political, movements from the French Revolution

230 years ago on down into really the present is they'd call it anti-clericalism, anti-religion, anti-clergy, anti-churches, anti-Christianity. And so the Bolsheviks are the most notorious one. They blew up, when they seize power, they blew up churches. They would execute priests. They would execute nuns. They would humiliate them in a lot of ways.

there's a fun history of the Russian well, okay, not a fun, a good history of the Russian Revolution. They would preface that by Blake thinks all history is fun. Yes, yes. Even the really, I find history and drivable. So, for example, they would, you know, torture priests and then make them do mock debates

with atheists where they would admit that they were liars or wrong about everything. Although sometimes the priest would not go along with it. There was a very, the reason I said it was fun was this priest was made to argue about whether God exists. And so the priest asked the guy, where did reality come from if not for God? And the Bolsheviks said,

reality and life evolved itself into existence. And the peasants who were watching thought this was so stupid. They immediately voted the priest, the winner, which was not the way the street was supposed to go. But there's always this spectacular violence. In countries you're not even familiar with, Mexico 100 years ago, had a revolution, huge amount of violence

against religious and churches. Spain, 1930s, they had a civil war. Tremendous amounts of violence against priests, and they would execute nuns, they would rape nuns, they would loot these churches of all of their valuables and say that these are being hordered against the poor, when

really a beautiful church is one of the things that, it's one of the most beautiful things the poor have direct access to. That's a church that has beautiful things belongs to all the believers. It's not that it belongs to the church. And it's just a recurring thing that happens over and over and over again. And so it's not terribly surprising that in Minneapolis, as we get left-wing agitation against

police, against the public, against pastor by, essentially, that this would also turn into agitation against churches and against Christians. And as I said, online yesterday, this one was unarmed. But if they thought they could get away with doing it while armed or using violence, I think they would because they have for hundreds of years. Well, and this is what's so infuriating. I completely agree. They will absolutely do this. You are watching happening in real time.

If you start piecing some of these clips together, like Jennifer Welch, who's a very awful, disgusting, deplorable person, she is a nasty woman. And she's, you know, you see increasingly that they are showing their hand, that they want to imprison us. they want to prosecute us. And then you've got Don LaMond here who thinks that this is somehow justified. This is his First Amendment rights.

He doesn't understand the law because Harmeet Dillon is now on record this morning saying that this was 100% a violation of the FACE Act, which protects places of worship, which protects people to, you know, be free to go in pews, to pray. So people are going to get charged. The only question is how many, how severe the charge? are going to be and so forth. And this guy is a washed up media anchor who got fired from CNN. He is cosplaying as a activist and he doesn't know how to do it. And he thinks that he's somehow protected from consequences because he's a journalist.

And I would say Don LaMont, who basically gloried in the fact that you've got to make people terrified. You've got to traumatize people. That's what protests is all about. That's what he said. I hope you woke up this morning, Don LaMond. terrified in the knowledge that federal charges are likely coming for you. Let's show the clips here. Which order do you want to do it in?

Well, I think we just start at 220. Let's get it where he's outside with these protesters. Operation pull-up is what he calls it. They're in the middle of the church during the beginning of the search service. The pastor was speaking. And McKimist stood up and said her peace. And then the protesters surrounded her. But this is a clandestine mission.

And I think they found out one of according to them. This is according to Operation Pullup that one of the pastors here is a member of us. Okay. You can hear they're just shouting, the bile, the vitriol, the anger just spewing out of these people's mouths. And by the way, we're going to have Megan Basham on at the second half of this hour. And she's done research on some of these protesters. Many of them have been arrested for this before. And so now you've got to ask yourself, well, if they're getting out and they're doing it again,

then maybe they're not getting, you know, charged and in prison long enough. But this is, this was crazy. So he starts talking to the pastor here. And the pastor, I thought, did a beautiful job, 226. This is unacceptable. It's shameful. It's shameful to interrupt a public gathering of Christians in worship. But there were folks who will say, I have to take care of my flock.

Listen, we live in a, there's a constant. Constitution of the First Amendment to freedom of speech and freedom to assemble and protest. We're here to worship. We're here to worship Jesus because that's the hope of these cities. That's the hope of the world. I thought the pastor is a beautiful job there. It's actually a pretty insightful view of the left-wing attitude that they always believe they have the right to kind of do what they want. We have the freedom of assembly freedom to protest by bursting into your church. The heckler's veto. Your event. The heckler's veto. It's just like whenever they're they would attack our events on campuses, even before the tragedy. Just they would blame, you know, they would blame Charlie.

They would blame turning point. They would do a riot and they'll have to come out and look what you made us do. Yes, exactly. There has never been a more entitled, pretentious, disgusting group of protesters, agitators. You will never find one. The entitlement is truly through the roof and it's disgusting. President Trump walked into a campaign. Catch 22 when taking office.

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Now it's your turn to help protect yours. We're going to keep going through these clips because they are legitimately disgusting. And by the way, I will say this. You know, we've heard that Axi, you know, this Axios piece that we're losing the polling battle on immigration. It's just too intense. I was texting with Mark Halprin, who we're going to get back on the show. And this Joe Rogan-esque sentiment that, oh, these masked agents, well, they're getting doxed, okay? And secondly, you see this where there was a big bust of child predators in northern Virginia right before Abigail Spitzel.

Spanberger, the new governor comes into power. Now Democrats control all of Virginia. And what was the first thing they did? They cut off cooperation with immigration enforcement. So there's a big drug, a big bust of child predators. The next day, they cut off immigration cooperation. So you have to just be clear. Like they do this because Abigail Spanberger wants more rapists in your country.

Yeah. Abigail Spanberger, much like members of the Biden administration, celebrates internally when she sees a story about someone from Central America or someone from Africa or someone from the Middle East who kills an American child, rapes an American, robs an American. She wants that to happen, period. Straight up. Nothing. They do make sense without accepting that premise. Yeah, Virginia's toast. We're going to talk about that. It's probably lost for a general. I don't want a black pill on you, but what they are doing, it's the wildest thing. And it contrasts with the fecklessness of the GOP. we can't even redo maps in Indiana and what do they do in Virginia instantly they do 10 to 1 maps

in a state that Kamala took by six points there are now going to be 10 Democrats in the House versus one Republican so Republicans you can keep wussing out you can keep putting your head in the sand and acting like this isn't a war for the future of this country in an existential battle and then you get you get these people going into churches in Minneapolis like they own the place absolutely disgusting display but this is is what I would say. Full circle on my point. Axio says the polling isn't going our way on immigration enforcement. Well, then you have Don LeMond doing a gift for all of us, giving us a gift, because it's so disgusting. Let's go ahead and play. This is amazing. Don LeMond's even

acknowledging how traumatic this is for the parishioners. 229. This guy here looks, hugging his kid. And, you know, I've just imagined it's uncomfortable and traumatic for the people here. But again, careful, it's very slippery right here. That's what protesting is about. And so that's what protesting. Traumatizing little kids, making parents that are at church comfort their little kids. How disgusting.

Absolutely disgusting. But this is the Bolshevik revolution, and it's right here in front of us. It's right here in our home country. And they're going to come for Christians because they know Christians are the last firewall to freedom in this country. They know that Christianity gives you true freedom to put the state in its rightful place, to not worship it, to not deify it, but to demand freedom that God gives us our freedoms. And meanwhile, I just can't get over it. The difference between the left and the right here,

it would never occur to us to destroy it, to go into a church. Yeah, but here's the other thing. If this was a mosque, Don LaMond wouldn't have been within 100 feet of it. Also that. He would have absolutely understood that that is a no-go zone. Not in that sense. But he would have absolutely respected the fact that when there's worshippers there, you don't interrupt that. But he doesn't not give that same type of space or respect to Christian worshippers. And that tells you everything, because here's the thing. He knows that Christianity is a religion of peace. He knows that those people in there are going to act respectfully. He knows that after Charlie was assassinated, that we held visuals and we lit candles and we did a memorial in peace we didn't burn down cities he knows that we're not we're not going to act like complete idiots and so he takes advantage of that he goes and walks in there like some washed up over the hill burnout from cnn and i i just i'm just so disgusted by this story let's keep going he then

talks to what blake would say is the most sinister probably of all the forces in the state of Minneapolis, or Minnesota. And that's Attorney General Keith Ellison. So he goes and does this church raid. It traumatizes little kids. And then he talks to the top cop in the state of Minnesota about it. 228. I just want to be clear.

The state has every right to investigate this matter and prosecute this matter. The state has every right. And, you know, as a prosecutor, I'm not really allowed to make conclusory statements before the investigations completed, but I do want to make it clear that there is absolutely no legal barrier to the state taking action in this matter. So the first point here he makes is that they're going to try and prosecute the ICE agents that was involved, yeah, ICE agents, anybody that they deemed to be a criminal, which I would love to see their definition of it. And then he asks about the church. Yeah, what's it? Rolling Stone's line. Every cop is a criminal and all the sinner's

Saints. Yeah, well, exactly. We do live in upside-down Bizarro world now. And then he asked about the church, 2.30. You heard what some of the folks said in there, you know, that this is they shouldn't

be there and, you know, they shouldn't be uncomfortable and this is our house and whatever. That's what protesting is about is to make people uncomfortable. You may not like it. But, I mean, if they went into a church, you know, any church. Yeah, so now he's trying to walk back by the way protesting is about making people uncomfortable that sounds like what ilhan

omar aOC say the new bolsheviks it's actually so sinister because no like a big point of protest is to just show that a lot of people support support a cause that's the point of you turn out a million people on the national mall that's the point of you turn out at a city council meeting at your state legislature you show a lot of people believe this the point of these when you make people uncomfortable, the point of this is to subvert the normal political process using fear. And so you have to say, okay, you should actually give us what we want because you're worried the next time we'll shoot you. You're worried the next time will burn down your church. Don't forget.

You're worried we'll do something illegal. There was a church that was just shot up in Minneapolis. Buy a left wing loony for left wing loony reasons. This is a wild clip. A crazy good pool. want to give credit to Western Lensman for this. This was December 2025. It's not even a month ago.

This is Tim Walts saying that our side doesn't go in raid churches. We don't do that. 2.35. So I would fully expect, and we are preparing for an influx of more agents, more of the very visible public theatrics of the raids, of the harassments. And you've got faith leaders here. I would not put it past this administration to target midnight mass services amongst folks going to worship because that's who they are. Oh, that's who they are.

No, Tim Walts, that's who you are. That's what your side is doing. You desecrate churches because you're entitled, because you're ignorant, you're ill-informed, and you refuse to cooperate with law enforcement. These are routine law enforcement operations. Forcing immigration law is not an option. You have two options in this country, either cooperate with ice and you don't have these raids or you don't cooperate with ice and you do get the raids.

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I'm very excited. We're going to talk to Megan Basham. She is an absolute go-to source on anything in the church. What's going on there. Megan, welcome back to the show. Hey, Andrew. Thanks for having me. Good to be here.

It's great to see you. I've just been, the whole first half of the show, we've just been going off on Don Lemon, Don LaMond, and Keith Ellison. This whole Bolshevik, neo-Bulshivism that is taking over the, I would say the activist class, the agitator class of the far left. find it incredibly disgusting, very disturbing what's going on here. Give us your reaction of what we saw Minneapolis at City's Church. And then you've been doing some research and some investigation into some of these players that were involved in this. I want to hear it all. Megan Bash from the floor is yours.

Yeah, I mean, obviously it's appalling and abhorrent to see what these activists did storming into this church. You know, I've talked to some pastors associated with this church. They're telling me that the children were terrified, that they were crying, that. that and I think the pastors handled it very well, but they did have to end the service early because these kids were terrorized and they couldn't continue with the service. So they shut it down and they reconvened later that night and finished holding the service after all of these protesters left. But, you know, what I think is really important to note here is that the police, the local

law enforcement did not arrest anyone. So they knew that this was happening. They were on site. They were observing and they did nothing. So obviously this is a violation of the Face Act. It is illegal to break into a church and disrupt worship services. And yet local Minneapolis police did nothing. They said that they were trying to balance freedom to worship with free speech.

But your free speech rights do not entitle you to break into churches and disrupt the services going on there. So, you know, that obviously is just one more point to how lawless it has become on the ground in Minneapolis and Minnesota at large. And so clearly we need some federal authorities to go in there and take charge. And on that note, one of the guys who was a ringleader of this mob is a guy named William Kelly. He was one of the guys who was circling, if you've watched the videos online, demanding whether or not that the people in this church support ICE. He was demanding to know what they've done for their Somali brothers and sisters. And he's a paid professional agitator. He claims to be a combat veteran.

And he has been seen repeatedly outside of Christchurch in D.C. as well. because that's the church that Pete Hedgeseth goes to. So he's been there harassing them weekly. And I spoke to one of the pastors associated with that church. And he told me that it has become so severe that at one point, they screamed through bullhorns with amplification. And they actually burst a church member's eardrum with these tactics and sent him to the hospital. So, you know, one question I have at this point is how these guys are able to continue harassing churches and church members this way.

and why they're not behind bars? Because William Kelly was reportedly arrested a few weeks ago in D.C. for this very kind of thing for harassing D.C. church. And he's released again and back out on the streets, bothering Christians. Well, bothering is a very generous way to say it. Right. That's quite the understatement. Yeah, that's a very, yeah. And you know what's interesting about this, though, because you are the author, of course, of Shepherds for Sale, New York Times bestselling author.

Charlie loved this book. You came on and talked about it with Charlie. And one of the storylines here that I don't think people are paying enough attention to is that this was an SBC church. And you've done a lot of investigations into some of the leadership at SBC. And then you sent me this article from the Baptist press. And, you know, you've got this crazy leaders of 13 Southern Baptist ethnic groups. Stop right there. Why are there SBC leaders of ethnic groups in the first?

place. Okay. And then they go on to, you know, it's Haitian, Hispanic, African American, Chinese, Filipino, Nigerian, Liberian, Ghana, Korean, Burmese, Thai and Vietnamese leaders signed a statement. And they sent it to Baptist Press basically saying that, yeah, we, you know, countries need to have borders, but we basically can't do anything to enforce those borders. We don't think deportations are necessarily always very nice. And maybe we just do fines instead. What is going on here? Yeah, and so that's a part of the backstory that a lot of people following what's been happening on the ground with this church in Minneapolis won't understand. So the rank and file Southern Baptist churches are typically very conservative. A lot of them will stay out of politics.

And I understand that this church I've been told is not a church that's particularly involved in politics. They are not, which you might think of as a culture warring church. But they do have a pastor on staff who serves as a field director for ICE. And that is why they were targeted. because they have a law enforcement officer on their pastoral staff. And the irony there is that the national leadership of the Southern Baptist Convention, though, as is the case in so many Christian denominations, are much more progressive than the rank and file and the ordinary churches,

and that is the case in the Southern Baptist Convention. So, you know, it pains me to say this because I am a Southern Baptist, but you're right, Andrew, we need to take a look at this. Because just this past April, these national leaders of the Southern Baptist, Convention contributed to this false narrative about ICE, that they're dangerous, that they're terrorizing people, when certainly all they're trying to do is enforce the law and to restore order to our immigration system. So back in April, as you said, all of these quote-unquote leaders of the various ethnic groups within the SBC and this is really important, the lobbying

arm, the policy arm of the SBC, which is the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, which is paid by Southern Baptist tithes put out a statement further creating this notion that churches have reason to fear ice. And so, you know, one of the things that they said in this statement that they released, and I'll just read you a little bit of it. Yeah. We are concerned that the current impact on religious freedom as worshippers decide not to attend worship services out of fear because federal agents will carry out law enforcement duties in church buildings. That has not. happened. I want to note this really quickly. There was all of this secular mainstream legacy media fear that was ginned up over churches that were going to be raided by ICE. That has not happened.

ICE has conducted their business whenever a church is involved respectfully with, you know, staying out in the parking lot, getting permission before they enter buildings. They have done nothing disruptive. And you had the ERLC and these other leaderships within the SBC attacking ICE, even though they are the ones who have been respectful and have worked with churches. And in the meantime, we see the result of furthering this false narrative about ICE. And it was allowing protesters to break into buildings. They are the ones that we should have been afraid of the entire time. They are the ones who are disrupting church services, screaming obscenities in the faces of church members,

and frightening kids going to their church services. Well, and there's reports here that I'm just looking at right now, Megan, that apparently attendance, because this narrative has spread that ICE is raiding churches, attendance at many immigrant heavy congregations, especially Latino, Pentecostal, and Catholic services has dropped sharply. So they say sometimes by a third or a half due to fear with some pastors excusing members for mass or moving events to private and online. So these immigrant communities are intentionally avoiding going to church because this narrative has become so strongly spread within the anti-ice movement,

anti-immigration enforcement movement. Right. And the other part of that is that they are endangering ice when they spread these kinds of false narratives that churches need to be afraid of ice and Christian denominations need to be afraid of ice. You know, the ERLC's comment on it was so appalling to me. They said that the administration needs to provide more clarity

so that our pastors, churches, and ministries will be free to minister. They're suggesting that ICE is preventing churches for ministering, and that is flatly not true. So I hate to say it because I am a Southern Baptist, but what the Southern Baptist leadership has done here contributed to what we saw at City's Church in Minneapolis. So, you know, what I would love to see is some of these leaders come out and actually apologize and repent and say, we were irresponsible in our language, and we were irresponsible with this statement in how we addressed ICE and how we characterized

ice. So I think if they did that, that would send a huge message that, one, they recognize that they made a mistake, that they slandered ICE agents, and that includes this pastor who teaches at City's Church, because what they are suggesting is that ICE is dangerous to Christians, and it is absolutely not. That is not true. They have not done anything that should have sparked a statement like this. So, you know, there is sort of this terrible irony in the fact that this is how SBC national leaders have been behaving at the same time that you have rank and file churches that are in the SBC being targeted by these left-wing progressive agitators. Well, and it's, yeah, this statement goes on, and this is from the 13 leaders of the ethnic groups within the ethnic groups.

13 different ethnic groups. Which is just hilarious that this is even a thing, but it says, we call on our Southern Baptist leaders to stand firm for religious liberty and speak on behalf of the immigrants and refugees. It says, we ask that consideration begin. given to their paying a fine and or other penalty in lieu of deportation. So no, they, they, they, they, they, they, the national leadership of the SBC has been backing amnesty policies for a long time now. And, you know, not to plug my book, but if you want to know a little bit more about that, part of the reason they've been doing that is because they're involved with, um, left wing NGOs that are funded by George Soros to back those kinds of amnesty policies.

They're, you know, working with groups that are part of those NGOs who are, um, who are, um, hundreds of millions of dollars from the federal government to further illegal immigration. So, you know, there's certainly a monetary incentive here, but also I think part of it is they're always looking for a way to sort of coddle up to the secular progressive left-wing media. And so you will see these kinds of statements that feed into those kinds of false narratives about ICE and about immigration. This is Lane Schoenberger, Chief Investment Officer and founding partner of Y Refi. It has been an honor and a privilege to partner with Turning Point and for Charlie to endorse us.

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their right to the First Amendment to go raid a church. The top cop is unaware of the Face Act, apparently, in state of Minneapolis, 241. We witnessed this morning the First Amendment in action with the right to peaceably assemble civil disobedience at a church. What do you think about? I feel like there's attack on the First Amendment and on people's right to be able to do that says. Well, you know, the First Amendment, Well, that's you. That's the first, right. I mean, that's freedom of religion. That's freedom of the press, freedom of expression, freedom to redress grievances, freedom

to assemble peacefully. And they are all under attack, simultaneously all. And it's deeply disturbing, and I'm very worried about it. But this is a moment where we all have to stand up. And, you know, there is the possibility we can have a renewal of freedom. if we stand up in this moment. I am speechless. Your reaction.

I mean, I know that Don Lemon is not the sharpest tool in the shed. I would never mistake him for an intellectual. But the idea that your free speech rights entitle you to barge into a church to storm in with dozens of protesters, screaming at the parishioners, terrorizing their children, swearing at the pastors. No, your free speech. speech rights do not cover that. The purpose of your free speech rights is to a protest to redress for government grievances. It is not to harass church members. So, you know, what I would like to see happen here is I absolutely think that Don Lemon should face charges for coordinating

with Democratic operatives to break into storm and harass members of a church during their weekly Sunday church service. I mean, that is part of what's so appalling to me is that it's not like they showed up on the grounds of this church and just protested in the parking lot outside. They busted into the sanctuary as the Sunday service was going on. So, you know, the idea that something like that could possibly be legal is ridiculous. I'm actually maybe a little bit more, I don't know, frightened is the right word, but certainly deeply concerned that they are now trying to defend actions like this because I think maybe just a couple of years ago, even someone like Keith Ellison probably would have condemned storming into a church like that. And the fact that

they are now trying to in some way act like this was a legitimate action, a legitimate protest, is crossing a sort of Rubicon to me that I do find really concerning that I go, if we can't even agree that you can't do this, then we are in very dangerous territory. I think the word you're looking for is disturbed. I'm very disturbed by what happened, the fact that they're doing this. You know, and by the way, I can just tell you, an independent source is just confirmed with me. The DOJ and DHS has possession of all the camera footage from Don Lamont, showing what appears to be a violation of the FAC. So it seems like there's a whole government approach to dealing with this and bringing accountability.

I hope that this happens. I think that they deserve it. And we'll see what happens. So, you know, I think that's important, though. So there's another clip here that I just have to get your reaction to. and that is it's 201 so if you guys want to get it ready this is uh james talrico who's running for u.s senate in the state of texas he's rising star rising star because he just got a white democrat guy that's a seminarian he's a presbyterian seminarian seminarian and he goes on esra klein's podcast

and as recline asks him do you think christianity is more true than other religions and this answer just like just blew me away at how tepid and weak It was 201. How do you think about the competing claims of different religions? Do you believe Christianity to be more true than other religions? I believe Christianity points to the truth. I also think other religions of love point to the same truth. I think of different religious traditions as different languages.

And I've learned more about my tradition by learning more about Buddhism and Hinduism and Islam and Judaism. And so I see these beautiful faith traditions as circling the same truth about the universe, about the cosmos. and that truth is inherently a mystery. Yeah. Okay. You know what scripture calls those beautiful faith traditions outside of his own? It calls them idolatry. They're false religions.

These are the religions that are created by the spirit of the air, which is demonic. So we need to understand that any religion that does not honor Christ is a demonic religion. And it is a false religion. So, you know, I love my friends and other faith traditions, but I don't want them worshiping false gods. So I will continually try to draw them to Christ. And that shows you that whatever else James Tolariko is, he's not a Christian.

Because a Christian understands that when Christ says, I am the way, the truth in the life, when he tells us that you're not getting to God through any other door, we know that that's the truth. And that's what we preach because we love people and we want them to go to heaven and we don't want them to follow false religions to hell. So, you know, I would just say that this has clearly, definitively proved that James Talarico is no Christian, which we already knew because he doesn't follow Christ's commands on issues like protecting the unborn, on protecting life, on sexuality and gender identity. So we knew that this was not a Christian,

but I do think, and you guys can tell me what you think about this, but I think we see a growing battle culturally, and this proves that we are still a very culturally Christian nation, but we are facing a growing battle over who does Christ belong to? Because I think in the past, the left just kind of denigrated Christians and churches. But now what they're realizing is that a better method is to try to claim Christ as their own for their left wing agenda. And anyone who knows their Bible will see why that won't work. But I think they're going to increasingly try to do that.

You know, at the start of the show, we were discussing how attacks on churches are an old leftist practice. But that's actually this co-opting of religious leaders and religious language. Same thing. The French Revolution had they imposed a oath. on the clergy of France, and they had to swear loyalty to the revolution, and they would get these priests who would come out, and they'd say, actually, church doctrine is not true. We're all loyal to the revolution. And you would do this in the early 20th century. They would

easily find pastors who said, oh, we're going to create heaven on this earth. And actually, Christ is a figure of this earth. And the resurrection is a metaphor and all of that. We've, we've had pastors like that for a long time. We've had seminarians like that for a long time. I guess you could say Christ's message is so powerful that everyone does want to claim it, which is a good thing, but you have to be on the lookout for people who are going to claim it

for very evil agendas. Wolse and sheep's clothing. Yes. And it reminds me of Scott Adams, actually what he said in one of his last streams where he said, you know, I'm very touched by all these Christians that are trying to get me to convert.

He said, because it shows the sincerity of their own belief that they believe this is the way. And that ultimately helped lead Scott to converting and do you think you got a call from James Tala Rico saying, oh, actually, don't worry about it because it's all pointed towards the truth. Islam is a religion of love and

just follow that one to the truth of the cosmos. Megan Basham, thank you for coming on. We appreciate it greatly. We'll see you again soon. Excellent analysis as always. We'll talk to you soon. Absolutely. Thanks for having me, guys. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.