The Charlie Kirk Show - The Radical Left Threat, Online and at UVU

Episode Date: May 12, 2026

One school year after the tragedy in Orem, UVU's campus has a flourishing scene of far-left radicals who celebrate Charlie's death and gloat over his murder. BYU investigative reporter Kimball Call explains what he's found. Then, Miranda Devine breaks down the Admin's new counterterror strategy which names transgender anarchists as a leading terror threat. Plus, the FISA program is what enabled the Deep State to pull of Russiagate. But Republicans keep extending the program. Sen. Mike Lee discusses how the system can be reformed to serve American interests instead of being just another government weapon turned against the American people. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com!    Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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what's going on with the Save America Act. We have so much to get into. And our audience is a little confused, Senator, about these two different topics. And we're also going to talk about UVU. You got mentioned in some radical literature that's being passed around that campus. And we're going to be getting into that at the second half of this hour. But, Senator, let's start with FISA. FISA is confusing for a lot of people. Does it spy on Americans? Does it not? The president used to be against it.

Now it seems like he's for it. What's going on here with FISA? First of all, FISA is the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. And it's designed to allow us to keep tabs on our foreign adversaries, people operating outside the United States who are not citizens of the United States. In some circumstances, it can be. and occasionally has been used as against Americans. Now, FISA 702's authorization now is set to expire in about a month on June 12th.

And Section 702 specifically was originally enacted in 2008 to make it easier for the government to get vital intelligence about foreign governments and their agents. The problem is that it has also allowed agencies like the FBI and the NSA, to gather with some regularity and search through the private communications of American citizens without a warrant. In other words, there are some communications from U.S. citizens that end up getting incidentally collected. This term incidental collection is the term that they use. Describe the fact that sometimes you'll have a phone call or other communication between a U.S. citizen

and an agent of a foreign power. And if they can then search through their database for everything that a U.S. citizen has said, that's kind of problematic because you could target U.S. citizens. So we want some protections in there to protect U.S. citizens. There ought to be something akin to a warrant that's required before you can query the FISA 702 database for information specifically on a particular U.S. citizen. And so if we don't have that, this could create kind of a Fourth Amendment and run. Right. So explain to me, this is very interesting here because we've got this clip here with John Solomon and Sean Hannity. Sean's got his new show. And they're talking about President Trump's own perspective on this.

And I think this is what's confusing a lot of people, Senator. So I'll play the clip and get your reaction. on the other side. SOT One. Three of the four FISA warrants signed by James Comey himself. You had to verify the authenticity of it to sign off on it. And he signed three of the four of them. Fast forward a little bit. All the people that signed every FISA warrant eventually went before Lindsey Graham. All of them said, ask the question, knowing what we know now, would you ever sign that FISA warrant? Knowing what I don't know, of course not. but they knew at the time. They kept the spreadsheet.

This is one of the big stories we broke on your show. I remember. Spreadsheet. They went through every sentence of the dossier. 90% were either disproven, unverified, or unverifiable, meaning that there was no possibility you'd ever. When you have an intelligence product that's 90% unverifiable, it's garbage. It literally is garbage.

All right, so listen to their language. So this was when they were spying on President Trump's campaign. James Comey, they're saying he signed a warrant. Are they miss speaking there? Is it not really a warrant? Or what, you know, so my question is, you know, they obviously knew that this intel was bogus. They signed it anyways. They got some authority authorization to do it. What is that authority and authorization compared to what you're calling for now? Yeah. No, I could be mistaken, but I believe they're talking about other sections of FISA. That aren't necessarily 702 because 702 is directed specifically at agents of a foreign power, at people who are out. outside the United States and who are non-citizens. There's also FISA Title I. Maybe that's what they were talking about. Yes, exactly. But the abuses of FISA 702, FISA generally have been rampant and significant. And as a recent report from the Brennan Center

for Justice has highlighted, FBI agents over the years, including some recent years, have searched in the FISA 702 database for the communications of protesters across, the political spectrum of members of Congress, of a congressional chief of staff, a state court judge, multiple U.S. government officials, and some journalists and political commentators and 19,000 donors to a political campaign. It's also been abused at times for individual agents who decided to use it to vet romantic interests. One guy used it because he suspected that his dad was cheating on his mom, and so he did a FISA 702 query for his dad who was a U.S. citizen. Somebody else used it to vet potential tenants in his rental properties.

So as you can imagine, all these things cry out for reform, and we need something akin to a warrant requirement. We shouldn't just rubber stamp these vast domestic spying powers for the same deep state that is targeted President Trump and members of Congress and countless law blighting Americans across the country. So what do you think? No MAGA Republican ought to support giving a loaded gun back to the swamp.

No, I totally agree. By a re-authorizing 702 without reform. I completely agree, Senator. I'm trying to get clarity here because the 702, it looks like it's authorized by the FISA court reviews and approves topical certifications and procedures submitted by the Attorney General and DNI to ensure appropriate targeting. The FISA Title I is the intelligence community attains an individualized probable cause warrant from the FISA court. Okay. So that's kind of the two buckets. We had that

graphic up. 702 does not require a warrant currently. And that is the key, I guess, reform that you're, that you're hoping to get in place here. Yes. Yes. And to be clear, to when you pursue a FISA 702 investigation, there is a type of order that backs that up. And we're not taking issue with that. What we're taking issue with is the ability, once you have accumulated all that information, which will necessarily include incidental collections of communications from U.S. citizens that were incidentally swept up into that same investigation in order to query the database specifically to see what a U.S. citizen has said, that's where we need something akin to a warrant that says, look, we need to look at this. It's related to the investigation. Here's why we think it's relevant. Let us go do it.

Yeah. I mean, why do you think just in 30 seconds here, Senator, why do you think President Trump has it just sounds like he's singing from a different song sheet all of a sudden on 702? Well, it's not unusual at all for any president at the United States to resist efforts to restrict the executive branch in its ability to do certain things. That's not unusual, especially in a hyper-technical, hyper-specialized context like FISA 702. They've got people, presidents of both parties, have people coming to them every day within their own administration saying, we need this, we don't want it to be undone. And usually what they're focusing on is that FISA 702 does do good things. And I don't dispute that, but we need to protect Americans here.

Senator Michael, I think we did a pretty thorough job on FISA 702. I agree with you that no MAGA conservative, no conservative, candidly, should be supporting warrantless surveillance of Americans. I understand the national security importance of it. But we got to have some checks and balances. And by the way, we cannot forget how it was been weaponized against us. They will do it again. They will do it again, even with checks and balances, but at least we have some stop gaps. Senator, I want to turn our attention to the Save America Act. You have been one of the leading voices pushing this, pushing to nuke the zombie filibuster, actually make senators debate on the floor. We haven't seen the progress that we wanted or that you wanted, but you've been doing an

amazing job pushing that forward. I'm going to play a clip, though, from Kamala Harris here and get your reaction. SOT 13. To your point about poll taxes, literacy taxes, this is not new in our And it's an agenda that has been in play since we got voting rights. And to fast forward to today, yes, it's more of the same. What they will do is basically, to your point, Rev, to register to vote, you're going to have to prove your citizenship by a passport or a birth certificate. So it is estimated that over 20 million Americans don't have a passport or access to a passport. And to get one is at least $100, if not close to $200, which is in essence a poll tax, right?

Is the Save America Act a poll tax, Senator Lee? No, no. In no way, shape, or form, is it a poll tax? And this is, she's speaking with reckless disregard for the truth. Look, she's either flat out lying or she's been badly misinformed by someone who is lying. Obviously, if she had bothered to read the Save America Act, she would see the text beginning at line 22 of page 12 of the bill, which makes clear that even if you don't have any of the documentation that you need to establish citizenship, you can, at a minimum, just swear on an affidavit saying here's where and when I was born and why I was a citizen at the time of my birth. or if you're not a natural born citizen, how and when you became naturalized. That then shifts the burden to the state to disprove your citizenship.

It's very, very easy. Now, she says, meanwhile, unless you have a valid current U.S. passport or, you know, some other documents, you're out of luck and it's going to disenfranchise people. That's just a lie. It's just a flat out lie. Remember, the Save America Act secures our elections by doing two things. It requires verification of citizenship. with registration and ID to vote in American elections, in elections for U.S. federal office.

Now, these provisions are massively popular among the American people who, unlike Kamala Harris, understand what the bill actually does. 83% support voter ID, 95% of Republicans and 71% of Democrats. 74% support proof of citizenship requirements, and that includes 90% of Republicans and 61% of Democrats. 59% of voters to support passing the Save America Act this year before the 2026 midterm elections. So look, the only place in the country where the Save America Act is even remotely controversial is among Democrats in Congress. And that's because they're lying about it and many of them have been misinformed.

So, but we've got to overcome their obstruction. And so we've got two options. We can either force the Democrats into a talking filibuster. We wait them out. We wait till they're exhausted, either physically or exhausted the number of speeches they can give under Rule 19. Then we pass it by a simple majority or, alternatively, they, after getting physically tired, they negotiate face-saving changes that will make them comfortable with it. That's how they pass the Civil Rights Act of 64. Or alternatively, we can just nuke the filibuster and pass the Save America Act by a simple majority.

I strongly prefer the first option, but inaction is not an option here. We've got to do one or the other. Well, but Senator, as you say, we can dunk on Kamala all we want. We can say it's only Democrats who oppose it. But there is a Republican majority, and we've speculated on all those options for getting the bill through. We get emails a lot about this. And they're always asking, okay, why hasn't it passed? Why haven't any of these things been done?

A lot of conservatives think that they're getting played on this by Republican leadership. Is anything going to happen to disabuse them of that notion? Look, we continue to hear assurances from Leader Thune and his office that we are going to get back to the Save America Act. We have been tied up working on DHS funding, which we're still working on. We'll be working through the end of next week. And we've got to reauthorized FISA between now and June 12th. But sometime in the next few weeks, this is going to be ripe again. We're going to have the opportunity in the moment where this comes back up.

Now, you do raise a very important point in that, We've got some Senate Republicans, not very many, but a few who have been naysayers. And I hate to say this, but I can predict something here. Sometime in the next week or two, specifically because I'm doing this interview with you right now, and I'm saying the things that I've said, you're going to see a left-wing swamp rag like Politico or Punch Bowl run a half dozen quotes from anonymous Republican senators who don't want to fight for the Safe America Act, complaining that I keep talking about it. That is a guarantee. But you know what? I'm not going to stop talking about it because the American people are with us. The American people deserve this.

President Trump wants it past. In fact, he's identified it as his top legislative priority, as it is mine. When Chip Roy and I set out to write this thing about three years ago, we knew that it needed to happen. I don't know that either one of us foresaw the extent to which the American people would latch on to it and realize the urgency of it. We're thrilled by the public outcry. We're equally surprised that in the Senate, we still have opposition from Democrats and, unfortunately, from a few Republicans. We're going to overcome that, though, because as we keep talking about it, it's going to be harder and harder for the naysayers to continue to push back. Senator, I've only got another 90 seconds here with you.

I want to turn your attention to UVU. Obviously, this is a campus where Charlie was assassinated on September 10th. And there is an article out of the Cougar Chronicle. We're going to speak to this lead editor next. And it's inside UVU's extremist student groups on campus. And the article details pretty shockingly how after September 10th, it's gotten worse on that campus, including images of you, assigns depicting you as a KKK leader and the like.

It's shocking in general, but to see it out of Utah, What is your reaction to that? And, you know, what can be done? Well, it's offensive. And I think it's odd. I mean, I've never had anything to do with the Democratic Party. And of course, the Ku Klux Klan was the enforcement wing of the Democratic Party. And so it seems like they're clueless about this sort of thing. The same people who call Republicans Nazis, ignoring the fact that Nazis and other fascists are at bottom, socialist. But look, all these things show that left-wing political violence seems to be growing, especially. on many college and university campuses. And it's being promoted by progressive media, in many cases, politicians as well, who dehumanize half the country by calling them Nazis, which provides

something of a permission structure for Antifa or other zealots and Hamas sympathizers to hurt their enemies. And by hurt them, I mean, physically do them harm. Well, Senator, we got to do something about these universities are getting out of control, even in Utah. Senator Mike Lee, thank you for joining us. We appreciate your time. We'll have you on soon. If you've been listening for a while, you may have noticed something new. Andrew and Todd.com is now part of Union Home Mortgage. The parent company changed, but Andrew Delray and and Todd Avakian didn't. I have known these guys for years, literally, and they're amazing, amazing, amazing patriots, great Christian men, same people, same values, and the same honest

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UVU is where Charlie was assassinated on September 10th last year. Kimball, welcome to the show. Hey guys. Thanks for having me on. It's an honor to be here. Yeah, it's an honor to have you here. You've done a really important piece here. And you've documented some of the crazier posts, the discord chats, protests, protests. Give us the 30,000 foot view. So you went to document what's actually happening at UVU's campus. What did you find? So we found that since the assassination of Charlie Kirk,

it seemed as though the left wing student body has gotten even more radical. We found that there was, even in the direct aftermath, clubs organizing and mobilizing to not take advantage of the opportunity, but to honestly perpetuate the extremist rhetoric that I think led to Charlie Kirk's assassination. So one of these is the Civil Disobedience Club is what they call themselves. They're an official UVU Club. They are on campus as a chartered club. And they organized in the very days after the assassination.

And some of the things they've been involved with have been protests against a memorial for Charlie Kirk, protests against ICE and DHS coming on campus for a career fair. they've been some of the, they've been responsible for some of the more radical rhetoric, and we were able to obtain screenshots from within their club discord of them ideating on violence, talking about violence against other conservatives, and even offering to train each other on how to use firearms to defend themselves from quote unquote fascists. But there are also some other students and groups involved with this as well. Yeah, and I noticed that there seems to be an appeal for the expression Bella Chow,

which is obviously the expression that was written on one of the bullets found that belonged to Tyler Robinson, where he had etched certain expressions on the bullets. And you guys actually, I guess, confronted, or you found this clip of somebody confronting a gentleman on campus handing out pamphlets. And he says he's glad that Charlie is gone, at least. We'll play the clip and have your reaction. SOT 12. How's it going? It's going good.

So I'm just curious, why are you guys writing Bella Chow on the sidewalk? Because we're against fascism. You're against fascism. Yeah. So what does Bella Chow mean? It's an anti-fascist anthem. Okay, does that have anything to do with it being written on the bullets that killed Charlie Kirk? It has nothing to do with that.

It has just a coincidence. It has everything to do with it being an anti-fascist anthem long before anything happened to Charlie. I cannot like that. Was Charlie Kirk a fascist? Yes, absolutely he was. I'm not sad. that he's gone. He wasn't a good man. He wasn't a good person. He wasn't a good Christian. And you're glad there was a murder on this campus. That's fascinating. I'm glad that he's gone.

Shocking. Glad that he's gone. So that's a really important insight in the type of people we're dealing with here. You can tell you you can even like see it in his eyes, the tenor of his voice. You can always tell these are absolutely psychotic people. This is a guy who is like just hates a ton of other people, wants them dead, wants to take their stuff. All Antifa people are like, this at heart. They are nasty, vicious, disgusting people, without exception. Who is this guy, Kimball? Well, we think he's, according to some of our sources, he's the president, or at least last semester's president of the Civil Disobedience Club. We know for sure he was in the leadership of the club and was involved with founding the club. And he's not the only one who

has these opinions. Unfortunately, we have evidence of lots of other students in some that aren't even members of the club that share these same ideas. And I personally see it as a university failing in their duty to produce citizens who can go into society and produce and be productive. When a university produces students like this or allows students like this to leave their university with a degree, I see it as a fundamental failure of the institution. Kimball, you included in your report this, it was like, I guess it's an X chatting, the, you know, Flat Ranger UT posted it. And then he kind of follows up the post and said, it's really funny how much I pissed you off by recording this. And then there's an account here, Cadazzle USA says Bella Chow Connor. What, is this a threat? Is this a death threat to the person that recorded this? I think it's certainly fair to interpret it that way. That's how some of the UVU TPSA members are interpreting it. We know for sure that, well, we suspect the student is a, or this ex-user is a

student because he knows the name of the individual who was confronting that president we saw earlier. And we know for a fact that this isn't the only instance of UVU students, particularly members of these clubs using Bella Chow against conservatives. We have also reports of Bella Chow, the song being played near TBSA tables when they're at on campus, which is extremely inappropriate. There's this other group. It looks like National SDS. What is that group? So SDS is the students for Democratic Society. They are a group that can trace back their roots to the civil rights movement, and they recently have had a resurgence. They're a far left-wing student group. They're nationwide. They have chapters in a lot of different universities. And recently they've made their mission to try to kick

turning point USA off of campuses around the country. So their Instagram put out a call for chapters of SDS to find ways to kick, like they use the words kick TPSA off campus. And they also use the words smash their charter and smash their events, which is pretty aggressive rhetoric. As soon as this post was posted on the national SDS's Instagram page, you saw the local chapter of SDS at UVU immediately target a TPSA fundraising event that the local TPSA chapters were doing with a local Dave's hot chicken restaurant. And they spam this restaurant with calls, they review bomb them on every platform they could get their hands on. And they made it really difficult for this business to do their business in this community for a couple weeks there. So we see SDS as a national

organization trying to militate against conservatives. And we see these local chapters taking up that call and trying to fulfill it as best they can. Yeah. And I'm going to show something I, you know, it's not graphic. It's disturbing incredibly. I want to, I want you to, I want you to, I'm going to only show it briefly, but this is the kind of stuff that's getting shown on Discord chats. And it's a picture, it looks AI generated, of special beam cannon is what it says, with Charlie. And what am I looking at there? You're looking at students in the CISN. You're looking at students in the GDC Discord server. So this is their official club server, mocking Charlie Kirk's assassination. And this is not the only instance we have of that happening on campus and within these group chats.

But you see, you know, you see them delighting in Charlie Kirk's assassination and making light of it. Was there any indication, Kimball, of the, because I'll never forget, obviously now it's seared into my memory ahead of that event at UVU. I noticed. Charlie noticed that there was a disturbing amount of controversy around his visit, which leads me to believe that there was already a radicalized element, very much active and present on campus. Do you have any reporting on these Discord servers being very active, being militant before 9-10? We do have some screenshots that we didn't release yet. We have further evidence that we will be releasing soon. but some of the things we were able to collect were different organization chats preparing to violently protest Charlie Kirk's visit.

And some were planning on throwing water balloons down from the balcony and doing other things like that. So far we haven't uncovered any evidence that anyone in these student clubs knew about the assassination attempt. But we do know they were planning some violent resistance to it. and were stopped basically by security not allowing people on the balcony. Fortunately, although unfortunately that security did not stop Tyler Robinson. Yeah. It's a really strange phenomenon. And in some ways, I liken it to what happened after October 7th, right?

You got Hamas that kills over 1,200 Israelis, and it seems to emboldened people. These vicious acts of murder, in that instance, terror. It emboldened the protest movement, these pro-Palestine movement in the United States on college campuses and internationally. And you see the same at UVU's campus where they've almost become more vitriolic, more vile, more violent. This ideation talking about getting trained up in guns.

The trans community wants to get trained up in guns in your reporting. It's a very troubling phenomenon that when something so vicious and violent evil happens in their midst that instead of being cowed by it or rethinking their lives, they see it as a rallying cry to double and triple down on evil. I want to talk about this, though, and Blake, I'd love your input on it as well. This phenomenon that we witness when something terrible, vile, evil happens, something so tragic, something so just awful in every conceivable way. And yet instead of kind of taking a step back, maybe moderating their tone, their rhetoric, their signage, their discord servers, they're getting increasingly aggressive, increasingly vitriolic. Did you get any sense of why or how that is?

To me, I think I get the sense that these students saw the assassination of Charlie Kirk as a victory for their cause. And I know that's, it's insane to think that they saw the assassination of a husband and a father and a really peaceful America loving guy as a victory. But I think they did. And I think we saw that in a lot of the immediate reactions to it online in the days and weeks after Charlie Kirk's assassination. I will never forget as someone who I would. wasn't there personally, but it was right down the road from my university, BYU, and I had many friends there, and it deeply impacted me personally as someone who started a TPPSA chapter at my high school. I just remember the depression I sink into when I saw the level of

jubilation online from certain people, and I think those people are the same people running these student organizations at UVU. Blake? I just, what's behind that impulse? I, yeah, I guess that's actually a good question to ask. What do you, I mentioned that with the video you showed where it's, you can, to me at least, it's just so obvious that someone like that is bad news. They don't behave the way

a normal person behaves in conversation when talking about politics. They have this hateful lust towards violence. Do you, do you back me up on that? Do you agree with that? Do you see this in a lot of these creatures on the radical left, there just seems to be something off about them.

Yeah, there certainly does. You saw this in a recent video that went viral of a woman wearing a shirt that said, Make America Kind again, viciously beating an effigy of Donald Trump with a bat at a protest. I think a lot of people have this sort of deep mental, like cognitive dissonance that makes them feel like they're virtuous when really what they're promoting is deeply, deeply immoral. Yeah, and I think that's right, and you see it reflected. It's a topic we've discussed on this show multiple, multiple times now, but it bears repeating is that there is a dehumanizing language and ideology wrapped in kind of a grotesque moral projection that's coming out of the left where they are wrapping a rationalization for violence, political violence, in a moral framework that no Christian could ever recognize, that nobody in, in traditional Western culture would recognize where they have, they believe that it's justified. And you saw that in that clip that we played where he's saying, I'm glad he's gone. What he's saying underneath that is that I'm glad Charlie was murdered.

I'm glad that this person that I disagree with politically was taken out. And I have a moral framework that justifies that. And the polling reflects that increasingly on the left. There are people that believe that it's justified. We've showed the poll again and again, but you gov economists did a poll just after Charlie's assassination, September 13th through the 15th. I would have presumed that people would have been shocked and horrified by what happened at UVU

and that that number would have dropped. Perhaps it did. Perhaps it went up. I don't know. Based on your reporting, maybe it just sort of revealed what was already there. But it showed just under 30% of 18 to 39-year-old self-discipline. describe progressives believe that political violence is justified, and only about three to five percent,

depending on the cohort of the same age group of conservatives, believe the same, which is still too high, candidly. But it's not 30 percent. And we see that, this Bella Chow, it becoming a thing that they all, see there's the graph. You can see that far left blue node up at the top there, nearly 30% of 1839-year-olds believe political violence is justified. And I think that's what your reporting has just revealed here, is that instead of even giving us the, I'm sad it happened, he didn't deserve it, that shouldn't have happened. They don't do any of that.

They're just like, Bella Chow, let's go learn how to use firearms. Fascism is coming, is knocking at our door. What do you think they are consuming, Kimball, at UVU, and maybe in UVU, and maybe in Utah across the country, but it does seem UVU has a particular problem here. What are they consuming? What are they telling themselves to radicalize them like this? Yeah, you make a good point that at my university,

which is right down the road, Brigham Young University, we don't see the same level of violent rumination. I think what they're consuming are what Jonathan Haidt and Greg Lugianoff described as like the three great untruths that my generation is learning, the untruth of fragility. These kids are being taught from a young age in the education system

that they're fragile and that opinions or ideas that they don't like are harmful to them. They're also being taught the untruth of emotional reasoning that when they think with their, with their heart instead of their head, they can be right because they feel right. And if it feels right to do something, then it is right, that that's what morality is based on. And then they're being taught the untruth of us versus them. They're being taught that the world is divided into good and bad people. And the bad people are the people that disagree with them. And that if those bad, evil people are defeated, then they are the good guys.

We have a joke where we call some of these clubs the anti-bad guy good guy clubs because they think of themselves as revolutionaries against evil people. They don't have the moral ability to understand the nuance that there are good and bad ideas everywhere, that everyone has a little bit of good in them and a little bit of bad in them. They see themselves as good and virtuous and others as bad and evil. And so that allows them to justify violence and ultimately murder. Kimball, lead editor of the Cougar Chronicle, I think that was well stated. Thanks for coming on. Thanks for your reporting, Kimball.

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to help us discuss it. Trump's counterterrorism strategy targets violent left-wing extremists with transgender ideology, among other things. The strategy focusing on left-wing groups reverses the Biden-era concentration on right-wing extremism. Miranda Devine, you were at The New York Post, a very celebrated author, The Big Guy, Laptop from Hell. Welcome back to the show, Miranda.

Thanks a lot. Thanks very much, Andrew, and everyone there. So you have doing some reporting on this, change of policy. And I saw it percolating in the news, and I think it's extraordinarily noteworthy and important report. Tell us in broad strokes this change, who's leading it, and what does it entail? Well, it's being led by Dr. Sebastian Gorker, who's President Trump's new counterterrorism czar, and it's a departure from the very sinister Biden administration's national strategy on counterterrorism because instead of going after at Catholics at traditional mass

or parents at school board meetings, I mean, I'm only slightly exaggerating there. The Biden administration was going after domestic terrorists, which Joe Biden told us repeatedly was ultra-maga semi-fascist, people who supported Donald Trump. And this time, Gorka has reorientated counterterrorism under present. President Trump's orders from last September. He signed a document to say that this should happen. We're looking at hard threats against national security. That would be cartels, Islamic extremists, and domestic terrorists, but actual violent actors that include explicitly Antifa. Antifa and Trantifa, it looks like. Here's a tweet from Andy. No, he said,

leftists and liberals are raging that the new U.S. counterterrorism strategy names Antifa and Trantifa for the domestic terrorist threats that they are. This is a huge, huge topic for us, obviously because Charlie was assassinated by somebody that had a romantic relationship with a trans-identifying person in Utah. It's something that we've seen. There was the armed queers of SLC. There was recent reporting out of Denver of similar groups arming up. There was a report just last segment that we did with the Kruger Chronicle and Kimball Call where he's pulling discord chats of other trans activists getting armed, learning how to shoot their rifles and this sort of thing. This is a epidemic that people, I don't think, focus enough on is just the violent ideation that seems

to be prevalent in this community, Miranda. Is this something, that Sebastian Gorka and others seem to be fully cognizant of? Well, 100%, and it's explicitly mentioned in this new counterterrorism strategy. I'll just quote it to you. As real threats were ignored or underplayed, Americans have witnessed the politically motivated killings of Christians and conservatives, committed by violent left-wing extremists, including the assassination of children.

Charlie Kirk by a radical who espoused extreme transgender ideologies. So they are explicitly looking at this. And I will just say that you said it's something we haven't focused on previously. In fact, it was actively ignored under the Biden administration and by the media, which downplayed, lied and police hid things like one of the transgender shooters who shot up a Christian children's school, his manifesto was kept secret for a very long time. For no reason, because other manifestos come out immediately, it's just to, I don't know what, you know, appease terrorists.

I guess it's just very interesting, it's very refreshing. I say, I want to read the exact quote from it where it says in the strategy, in addition to cartels and Islamist terror groups, we're prioritizing the rapid identification, neutralization of violent secular political groups who are anti-American, radically pro-transgender, and anarchist. And it would be fascinating. I wish it was longer. It's only a 16-page strategy, and it really only mentions the left a handful of times. But I would love to see a document building this out because it does strike me as a new threat. If you go on Discord, which you can easily do, you can find these things. You will find these groups.

and they really feed on each other in a way that a lot of online groups don't, that they get radicalized by, it's very common online. You can see this on Reddit where you'll see transgender people say, like, they want us dead, they're committing genocide on us. It's this extremely hyperbolic rhetoric, and it's unchecked. And on top of that, it's sort of like they're almost getting this weird letdown. We're suffering from the fact that we won this culture war topic. And they were kind of above criticism.

They were almost a sacred thing for a few years. And then suddenly, it's like they're getting yanked away for them. It's almost like a political version of the way they flip out if someone misgenders them. Yeah, well, it's interesting. We've got this B-roll here of Mia Fenayan. She's the leader of Armed Queers SLC, Miranda. I don't know if you can see it, but she's posing with what looks to be some sort of large rob. I can't see it. It's far, far enough away. She's posing with Elizabeth Warren.

And these are, so these are politically connected people that are celebrating an armed resistance to Blake's point of what they consider an existential threat to their future existence. Yeah. Look, I was doing a column recently, and I need to expand on this, but in the course of my research into the Southern Poverty Law Center, which is now under indictment for, or funding neo-Nazi groups and so on, which I believe they were doing to sort of drum up extremism on the right that didn't exist, that was shrinking, that was going away, if it ever was a big threat.

And at the same time, they were defaming and smearing and putting on their hate list, people like Charlie Kirk, who are moderates who were conservatives, but who posed a threat to the left-wing project to the revolution. And so, you know, Charlie, as you know, was placed on the Southern Poverty Law Center's hate list shortly before he was assassinated, basically putting a target on his back, I would allege.

Anyway, in the course of my research, I found just I have to back this up. So I'm just telling you the preliminary research. But there was a transgender, you know, one of these armed queer activists who was involved in Utah, who was involved in research in the Southern Poverty Law Center around Christians and around Turning Point USA. So that was in the early days, a sort of a pilot project in Utah. I find that extremely disturbing. and I obviously need to back that up, but I have no reason to believe that it's not true.

Yeah, it's a deeply concerning trend, and we've been seeing it a lot, and it's starting to come into focus now, and I'm so grateful that Sebastian Gorka and others are now focusing on it. Miranda, I want to play this clip. This was from Charlie was murdered on a Wednesday, and by Monday, we, ended up doing the show in the White House. J.D. Vance graciously hosted the entire show that day, and he interviewed Stephen Miller. And I'm going to play this clip because it's something I think about a lot, and I know it's something Stephen thinks about a lot. Sat 10. I said this before, but it bears repeating. The last message that Charlie sent me was,

I think it was just the day before we lost him, which was that we need to have an organized strategy to go after the left-ling organizations that are promoting violence in this country and I will write those words onto my heart and I will carry them out the people ask me you know what emotions I'm feeling right now miss just something people say I mean you kind of know the answer there's incredible sadness but there's incredible anger and the thing about anger is that unfocused anger or blind rage is not a productive emotion right but focused anger righteous anger directed for a just cause is one of the most important agents of change in human history.

So that's Stephen Miller, something I've thought about a lot, Miranda, that Charlie's final text to him was talking about the need to go after these left-wing groups. It begs the question, Miranda, though, because something Blake and I have talked about is so much of this ideology is diffused, it's decentralized, it's across Discord servers. In fact, I would say this might be a particularly strong case of it. We were talking in the break about who a lot of these radical transgender are the ones who have done shootings. And a lot of them are, they're troubled men who have kind of fallen for a mental, social contagion. A lot of them are on the spectrum.

They're highly medicated. Yeah, they're highly medicated. Transgender-gender-leaning individuals are a lot more likely to be autistic. They're vulnerable to taking a lot of things highly literally or taking things to an extreme. that most people wouldn't. So they're the ones who hear rhetoric that says, they're killing us, they're committing genocide, and normal people hear that, and they filter out,

they go, okay, they're saying something extreme to make a rhetorical point or get a rise out of people. These individuals take it literally. And we can look at the alleged shooter in Charlie's case, where he has these text messages where he says, some hate can't be negotiated with. And he seems to have been this quiet guy, but then he seems to have been radicalized in,

some extreme direction by what he was reading on the internet. Yeah, so how do you deal with something that's this decentralized and this diffused through social media? Well, what the counterterror strategy says and what Sebastian Gorker told me when I interviewed him last week, that interview will be out tomorrow morning. He says that they will use all the tools, I'm quoting here, constitutionally available to us to map these groups at home, identify the... their membership, map their ties to international organizations like Antifa and use law

enforcement tools to cripple them operationally before they can name or kill the innocent. They're also going after, he said to me, the funders of these groups because they don't operate in a vacuum. My theory has always been with all these, whether it be Antifa back in the summer of love 2020 or it's, you know, morphing into this transgender extremism. I don't think it's an accident. This is really political actors, malevolent, sinister political shadowy actors who are preying on the vulnerable. You know, I do think that you just described who a lot of these transgender individuals

are, and they really are to be pitied because their problems have been weapon. to use as a political weapon because I guess they're protected. That's the other sort of politicization of it. They have become sort of a protected category of violent extremists. And you see that with, you know, formerly august media institutions like the New York Times, publishing stories in which they deliberately confuse and blur the fact that these people are transgender or that, you know, a woman, they say, who shot up a classroom is actually a man. You know, they won't do that. And this is all conspiring to confuse and blur the boundaries

between crime and mental illness and somehow excuse this as not a trend. We're not allowed to see that there's a trend. We just have to think, oh, that's just some isolated crazy. But I don't think it isn't and I don't think it's fully organic. I think that their unique vulnerabilities of these people make them the perfect patsies, the perfect killers. There's an article here that I'm reading right now. It's from the Denverite and it says Denver's queer gun club is booming part of a national trend. And the subhead reads this, Miranda. Fears of political violence are pushing some Denverites to learn to shoot. And these quotes are really interesting where it says, you know, Mazodi, who is queer, is fearful of mass shooting. She's worried about government violence,

and she's lost faith that the U.S. will ever pass gun control laws. So she's decided that learning to use a gun herself was the next best thing. Considering everyone has a gun, I don't think pepper spray would scare people away. And it says that's common across the membership of pink pistols, whose local reach has doubled in the past few years. So that narrative that the Denverite is spreading is that these people fear for their lives so much that they're getting armed because they think the government's going to come after them.

I mean, perhaps this is sort of the Alex Pretti, Renee Good narrative out of Minneapolis, spreading ice. There seems to be a lot of overlap with anti-ice rhetoric with these groups. But it does seem that, you know, they're teaching themselves, they're working themselves into a lather to Blake's point, and they're taking it very literally, that they think, you know, the government's going to come after

them, or conservatives are going to try and kill them, which there doesn't seem to be any proof at all of either point? But it doesn't matter, because it just feeds into the sort of left-wing soup that Donald Trump and his administration and any conservatives, anyone who supports him, are fascists and are outfascists, and are out to get you and we'll pull you out of your bed and, you know, throw you in a dungeon just because you're transgender. But, you know, to do something serious about this is you do have to go, follow the money, the classic story.

And, you know, Sebastian Gawker mentioned specifically this multi-millionaire, maybe billionaire, Neville Roy Singham. Fox Digital has done very good work tracing his funding of a lot of these radical groups. Now, this is someone who made his money in the United States and now lives in China. So you have to wonder also what kind of a role do our foreign adversaries play in sort of whipping up unrest and discord in social media platforms. Yeah, Miranda, we got to wrap it up there.

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very excited. This is something we've been planning for a little while. This is Lane Schoenberger, who is the chief investment officer of Y Refi. I got it all in. Chief Investment Officer, which is a heck of a title, by the way. You know, you guys have been such a great partner of Turning Point. Charlie loved you guys. You guys had a really special connection, a really special bond. So it's an honor to have you in the studio lane.

You guys do so much over at Y-ReFi. So just tell the story about your company and all the great work you do. Oh, thank you. And it's a pleasure to be here. So thank you for having us. It's an honor, really. You know, and being friends with the Turning Point crew and with Charlie has been remarkable on so many levels. And it's a real joy.

So, you know, Y-Refi, what we discovered was there's a problem in this in the world that it doesn't, It doesn't choose sides, right? It's the student loan problem. And, you know, as of right now, we're in a situation where student loans are $1.85 trillion. Dang. Is it that high now? It's that high. And, you know, back, I'll just give you a quick timeline.

If you look back in history, 2006, 2007, total student loan debt was about $685 billion, which sounds like a lot of money. Compared to today, it's nothing. and during the Obama administration, education finance was all brought back into the Department of Education, and the problem exploded, and now it's $1.85 trillion, most of which is federal. However, there are a lot in private student loans into the billions, about $200 billion of that is private student loans. And what's really interesting is, and the reason we've created why Refai is we discovered that there is a, there's a situation out there where federal loans, there's all kinds of money.

kinds of options to help people defer payments, get their payments down under income-driven repayment plans, different options for them to put in forbearance. But when it comes to private student loans, there are no options for these borrowers. If they go into default, delinquency and ultimately default, the option is garnishment of wages after a court hearing. That's the end. That's the outcome. And what we discovered is that, you know, there's a problem here. There's a broken system that someone needs to fix. So we came up with a way to fix that problem, and it's working just beautifully, and that's, I think, one of the reasons Charlie loved it.

You almost said, beyond your wildest imaginations or expectations. You almost said it, because it really is, it's a remarkable thing. Because it's working so well. It's because so many people desperately needed it. And, okay, so I visited your offices, and, you know, David gave me a tour around. It was remarkable. You've done the same with Charlie. I didn't even realize it when they, they,

They're showing me the video here, and we'll show it in just a second. But you guys really impressed upon me the fact that these students or the parents of the students call you and they're suicidal sometimes. Or they're so depressed they can't get out of bed because of this broken system. Just to dive into that piece of it a little bit. So it's a sad but true fact. The borrowers that are calling are in a very, very bad situation, one that they have no way out of. there's no solution to the problem until now. And because of that, about 70% of these folks have a co-barrower.

So mom, dad, grandma, grandpa, someone co-signed that loan with the borrower. So they're all looking for a solution. In a lot of cases, grandma and grandpa, whoever co-sign that loan, they don't even know there's a problem until the collection call start. And when that happens, it makes for very awkward conversations and families, creates a tremendous amount of strife. And, you know, I didn't realize how bad that problem was until we did our very first borrower testimonial where she explained to us that she was considering a suicidal option that was that

was the choice that she was going for until we fixed this problem for her and since then we've done multiple testimonials with borrowers where I've heard that multiple times and it's not just suicide it's things like I'm not I'm delaying the starting of my family right there's a huge delaying marriage they're delaying having kids there all of these things this is just this massive roadblock that has been created for these young people and it's not out of choice. I mean, they did make the choice to take the student loan and go to get this education, but they didn't choose to get into the bad situation that it led to, right? They came out of school, something went wrong, right?

So, you know, at Y-Refi, we've created some very, some unique things, at least we've been told it's unique, and what I mean by that is our student loan advocates are on those phones, and they're taking those inbound calls, and they never know what they're going to get. It could be someone who's just overwhelmed with the anxiety of, pressures of dealing with this. So we've got resources. You know, there's the typical HR resources, which we love our HR team. They do a remarkable job.

But we put in-house, we have an on-staffed chaplain. His job all day is to be there to listen, to consult, pray, talk, whatever they need. And then, of course, you give them other things like a ping pong table or a pool table. And you'll see it in the video, I believe, because they just need to go walk away and go smash a ball. Just do something to get to refocus. And then they go back to the phones. and I tell you our employees absolutely love helping these people

and you can tell by the Google reviews we're over 500 reviews and 4.9 stars and when these people are writing in they're writing these, they're writing stories. This is Charlie at your that's Charlie at our office yeah it was a great opportunity

it's one of the things I was saying that we say they have people you can call in the US I think being able to call real people in an office in the United States has become a secret weapon It really has.

We don't have a phone tree. You call in and you immediately are connected to a human being right here in Phoenix, Arizona, that wants to hear your story. It's the type of company, by the way, where you see Charlie, he's driving up to the office, but where I noticed that your staff lined up to shake his hand. Yes. That's the kind of company that you guys have,

that Charlie Kirk comes into your office, and they're so excited to see him and honored to have him there. Right. They were excited to meet him, And, you know, we didn't make a big deal out of him coming beforehand. We just wanted everybody. And he's focused on point. And when he showed up, we said, hey, everybody, we just want you to know.

We have a special guest in the office if you'd like to meet him. And it was just overwhelming the response, right? And Erica has come in since then. And it was the same story where we didn't make a big announcement. We didn't want everybody all distracted by anything. It was just, hey, Eric is here. Do you want to meet her? And it was the same thing as Charlie, right?

People just love to meet people that are out there doing good. And, you know, the reason that Charlie and Erica both embrace and love what we're doing is we're helping fix a problem that it, it doesn't pick sides. This is a problem that is for everyone that's dealing with this. Like, everyone in the country knows someone with a student loan. You know, the statistics are 45 million Americans have student loan debt and what the government doesn't, really talk about is the fact that it's about 70% of their portfolio as a co-borrower. Well, that makes it about 70 million Americans have student loan debt. It's a big deal.

Well, and you talk about the putting off of family formation, buying homes, getting started on the American dream. And so what we've sold to so many of these students, and Charlie articulated in the college scam so brilliantly, we've sold this false bill of goods where this will, this piece of paper is going to give you everything you hoped and dreamed for only to find out. You're saddled with this debt. You can't get a job in the field that you studied half the time. And then if you are lucky enough to do that,

you takes the next decade of your life or more to pay it off. And that's only if you're lucky enough to graduate, which a lot of them don't graduate. A lot of students take on a bunch of student loan debt and they drop out. And then they change careers. They change careers. The piece of paper means nothing eventually. Meanwhile, you've got plumbers, electrician, HVAC repair guys.

These guys are building businesses where they're making, hundreds of thousands of dollars no student loan debt family formation buying homes buying properties doing all the things that you know we think that you should be able to do as an american and so charlie was dead set on that so you found the the perfect vehicle for the for the perfect product at the perfect time yeah let's go ahead oh go ahead well i was funny myself i think it'd be this might be too big of a question and i don't want to put you on the spot but you've been up close to it you've mentioned why the government sector of student loans i was wondering do you have thoughts, how would you, if you could reset the student loan system from scratch, how would you do it so

that we don't have a $2 trillion debt bomb for young people? The first part is you've got to get the government out of the lending business. I mean, step number one, get them out of the lending business, put it back into the private markets where it belongs. Capitalism will fix it. It always does. So that's step one, you know, and then what you've got to do then is look back at what we've currently done to these students and come up with a solution.

And what we're doing at why Refai is working so well in the private. private market. If we could apply that model to the federal line, federal portfolio, we could wipe this problem out in short order. It just, we need, you know, it's the government, right? There's a lot of hands in that cookie jar, a lot of decision makers, a lot of decision makers that don't make decisions. If we could go on and on about that, I don't want to waste the time here for that. But, you know, we've built something that's working exceptionally well. Borrowers love it, investors, love it. The lenders, servicers, agencies that hold the debt. They love it because it's working. It gets them paid quickly so they can move on.

on lend that money out to someone else you know to your point Andrew is is right now about 50% of our portfolio is made up of teachers and nurses because they come out with all this debt and then you know they find themselves starting at the bottom of the ladder and have to work their way up they don't they don't come out making substantial money how long is how long is the average payoff period of a nurse's student loan debt before why refi or after just before before why refi over 20 years our average is 10.2 my gosh I mean it's terrifying when you're you look at it. Like, there are people who, even if they make money, they pay and they only cover interest. It just never goes down. Exactly. There's $300 billion of this type of debt, right?

In the defaulted, about $45 billion, $45 to $50. Got it. Okay. So if somebody has privacy through the loan debt and they're making casual payments, they're not a candidate. So we get people all the time, they're hanging on by their fingernails. But they're not defaulted yet. You still could take them. If they're early stages of delinquency or late stages of delinquency, people will come with us and so we run a full analysis so we know right away where they stand once we know where they stand we structure every single deal is different for every borrower what's the latest we've taken someone right before a week before court oh yeah we we regularly we'll have people have summonses because their only outcome is garnishment of wages you know judgment and garnishment

that's the outcome so if we can get to them before they get to that destroy these people it destroys their lives for many many years to come they got out of school they fell behind and then never had a chance they had bad credit That was a cool, cool video, actually. I've never seen that before. All right. So, Lane, you've got this, you're helping students, but you're also working on the investment side,

which is what we're talking about lately, where you offer up to 10.25% fixed interest, which is, I was telling you in the break. I was like, I remember going to college. It was like, you got to assume a 6% rate of annual return over the long term. And I was like, well, what if you could get 10%? Like 10.25% is incredible. So tell us about that side.

So, yeah, on the investment side, you know, we raise the capital that we need from private investment or investors, accredited investors. We don't take any institutional capital, no Wall Street money. We want America to succeed, helping other Americans. So what we do is we've got five different investment options, one year note that pays six and a half percent, a two year that pays seven, a three year that pays seven. A four year at eight and a quarter and a five-year note at 10.25. And paying these interest rates for years. what we do is we calculate interest daily and we make monthly payments of interest only to the investor and then we give the investor a lot of options where they can turn that interest income on or off

up or down as often as monthly so tons of flexibility to the investor there's a limited liquidity feature so if the investor needed their money back early at put in a request at our well if we approve it we've never taken longer than 30 days to approve but I have to say that you get your money back And what we do is we give the investor credit for the amount of time they were invested as a percentage of what they agreed to. So, for example, if you're in the one-year note and, say, six months in or 50% of the way through, you keep 50% of the interest up to that point in time. Great. Same math on a five-year note. We have a roll-up feature.

So if you invest in the one, two, three, or four-year note, you can, at the end of your term, lock in your interest and roll up to anything longer and finish out that term at the higher interest rate. It's very, very, again, all unique and unique. and we've created this for the benefit of the investor. What did they want? We gave it to them. And again, we calculate interest daily and make monthly payments. And, you know, I've given this example a few times because we've had it happen with other organizations where, or other investors, rather, where they want to give money to an organization.

So a quick example, if you were to invest a million dollars, that kicks out about $8,500 a month, on average, because, again, we calculate it daily, so it's going to vary month over month. Take out some taxes for that. Let's say it's $8,000 net to the investor after taxes. Well, we've set our system up where you can actually send that money directly to the organization of your choosing. So we've suggested, for example, maybe you split that payment. Send $4,000 to Turning Point, $4,000 to your church. Whatever it is that you want to do, we can do that right there in our system.

It's very, very unique. But it gives the opportunity for you to support not just WRIFI, but other organizations that might be something important to you, right? And it's important to remember all of this is helping the student, loan. Right. Right. You know, people that are struggling to start their lives. And that fact, you dropped at the end of the, I'd not heard that before. 20 years for the average nurse, 10. What you say, 10.5 years? So for YREFI, our average loan is 10.2 years. And, you know, our longest loan is only 20 years. Our highest interest rate that we charge our borrowers is 5.19. Average sits around four. Wow. Now, this right here brings up the greatest question that

we always get asked. Wait a minute. The math isn't mathing. Right. Yeah. You just said 10 and a quarter. Is this an elaborate money laundering? No, no, it is not. And, you know, how you pay 10 and a quarter when you're collecting four from the borrower, it doesn't make sense. Well, I'll just give you the quick answer. And then I would encourage people to call in and we'll explain it in more detail.

But long story short is we settle the debt at a discount with the existing lender, service, or collection agency law firm. We call it 40 cents on the dollar. We then refinance that back to the borrower at 100 cents on the dollar. We're not going to give them a discount. We actually add in a 5% refinance fee. We're not going to give them a discount on the face value of the loan. You know why? If we did, borrower gets hit with cancellation of debt income tax.

Now they have an IRS problem. So you don't want to do that to them. We do share the discount with the borrower. We just do it through a low fixed interest rate and a custom term built around their ability to pay. So the average interest rate hovers around 4%. The average term hovers around 10.2 years, right? So we're sharing the discount. We don't underwrite our borrower.

on FICO. We underwrite them on real life. And with that, we're able to, we escrow a borrowers while we're underwriting them. They're escrowing their payments with us so we can confirm. They have the ability and willingness to pay us back, right? So we share our discount with the borrowers and then we share, in essence, our spread with our investors. So it's not to the detriment of the borrower. That's why it works. This is why you're the chief investment officer, because that's complicated math, but it does make sense the way that you're able to make it work and I just you know you made this point that the capital capital capitalist system will find a way it will find a solution and this is this is what you're talking about this is what I'm talking

yeah that there are solutions to our student debt problem absolutely but the the federal government has to get out of the out of the way by the way another reason that it's a huge problem that the federal government's involved in student loan debt is because it's given these institutions the college cabal as Charlie used to call oh yes blank checks to keep increasing tuition keep building that new building, keep building that new stadium. All of that gets passed down to the students and their parents, and it creates this knock-on effect, which again, we're having fertility issues, we're having lower marriage rates, we're having the lack of ability to buy their first home. All of these are connected. You bet there. And if you could just have some private entrepreneurs

with some creativity come in and provide a solution, we could knock out a lot of this debt so much quicker. Well, here's some interesting numbers. Right now, and this is why we're pushing so hard to raise the capital, we're sitting on over, just as of last night, just shy of $225 million worth of borrowers in escrow, meaning borrowers. Those are new borrowers waiting for us to fund their loans, right? We're moving through that process. We're working hard to get them approved. We're intentionally slow in underwriting. It gives us a chance to get to know them, a chance for them to get to know us, make sure we're going to work together.

And it works very well. Now, I'll wrap up on this because it's kind of a fun thing. We created a program called Ignite. It focuses exclusively on trade and technical schools. And we launched it in October of last year. We had built it and we were about to launch it and we were about to share it with Charlie when all that happened. So I never got the opportunity,

but I know he'd be very proud of Ignite because of the fact that it's literally focused on tech and trade. It's all about getting those kids through the education that they need, get them out into the trades, making money without a massive amount of debt. And we were able to fix yet another broken system. All right. So where do people find you?

Go to invest, yrefi.com, or call the 80080 invest. Give us a ring there. Ask any questions. We're happy to talk about it. Explain the product, explain the mission. And just enjoy who we are and what we do. I love it. Lane, this has been an education.

Lane, Schoenberger, Chief Investment Officer of Y. Refi. Check them out today. Thank you. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.