The Charlie Kirk Show - The Radical Left Wants Your House and Your Children's Minds

Episode Date: January 9, 2026

It's just what Charlie warned: America faces two choices, MAGA or Mamdani-ism. Michelle Tandler breaks down the radical ideology of Mayor Mamdani's new "tenant advocate," who wants the state to seize people's homes in the name of fighting white supremacy. Then, Dr. Kent Ingle discusses his new book College Without Communism, and the ongoing battle to prevent higher education from replacing truth with indoctrination. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com! Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And she is boy, is she a peach. She is an absolute peach. And to help us unpack just what a peach she is, I wanted to bring in Michelle Tamer. handler. She has her website is Notes from thefront.com. She is based in New York City. She's fighting the good fight. Michelle, welcome to the show. Hi. Thank you for having me. Absolutely. Very, very good to have you. Your tweet was illuminative. It was illuminating. And it was crazy because she scrubbed her social media accounts and her crazy tweets. But you grabbed these and screenshotted them and made sure the world still had access to them.

And Blake, why don't you just set the table for why this is important? Because there's two real competing visions right now. Yeah, yeah. So we want to talk about this. Obviously, it's especially big news yesterday. So yesterday President Trump announces he's going to take steps to stop very large institutional investors. Black Rock is the meme one, but there's others, from owning single family homes. And this was a hobby horse of Charlie's.

He talked about the need you need ownership. You need people to own a step. stake in society. So we talked a lot about young families owning homes, getting access to those things. Now, housing affordability is also a topic on the left. Both sides talk about it. And Charlie would talk about that choice, Mamdaniism versus Maga. And so I think President Trump's actions are hopefully the MAGA version of this. But we are seeing Mamdani is sort of the avatar for what the left is considering to do on housing. And

he has this new advocate for tenants or whatever her office is, Cia Weaver. And she has some very radical takes of her own that I think are a good insight into what's... Oh, it's an insight. It's peering into the

leftist mind in a very scary way. So, Michelle, why don't you just take this away from us? You logged a bunch of her statements. You were very clever. You logged all the things she'd said before they got any attention before they could get deleted. What were you able to find? Yeah, I wish I had captured more. I took these back in September, actually, when she first was sort of, I first came across her, her as a person, her Twitter account, and just saw a lot of stuff that was pretty concerning.

So I took some screenshots back in September. I was planning to write a thread on her views on housing since she was the housing advisor for his campaign, which I thought was pretty relevant. Housing in New York City is one of the most important topics politically. We have a huge housing shortage. I believe the vacancy rate is something like 1.4%. The cost of housing is astronomical here. And I have for a long time believed that the reason the cost of housing is so high here is because of progressive housing policies, things like rent control, rent stabilization, zoning restrictions, a lot of bureaucracy and red tape on building. It's not a very developer-friendly city. I don't have enough knowledge be able to speak to how friendly it is towards landlords, but I can certainly say,

Cia Weaver does not seem friendly towards landlords. She seems to have a very, very defined view of landlords as being evil, which I just think is short-sighted and wrong. You know, these housing units don't just like fall from the sky pre-fab, pre-made for people to inhabit. Like it takes a lot of people to create a housing unit and a lot of people to keep a housing unit operating. And a lot of her beliefs are pretty destructive in my opinion. So I screenshot a bunch of her stuff. Also, just some of her other views that were pretty offensive. She has a lot of really offensive things to say about people of different racial categories, et cetera.

And they just, yeah, when she was announced in a position of power, I shared it. I've got one of them here. Impoverish the white middle class. She said that in 2018. That was just like a definitive statement, like impoverished them? Impoverished the white middle class. home ownership is racist slash failed public policy. Yeah.

She hates gentrification too. I mean, what's, so give us, read one of the one of your favorites here, Michelle. Yeah. You know, we can just start. That one's perfect. That's the one I started my thread with. There is no such thing as a good gentrifier, only people who are actively working on projects to dismantle white supremacy

and capitalism and people who aren't. I found that fascinating. First of all, she lives in a gentrifying neighborhood. And for people who aren't familiar with the word gentrifying, it usually refers to people who move into neighborhoods that are historically poorer or more filled with people of color. So it's a term that used to describe whiter, richer people moving into those neighborhoods. I mean, from what I understand, Cia Weaver lives in Crown Heights,

which is historically a working class, mostly Jewish and black. neighborhood in Brooklyn. Yeah, so she lives there. I think she's written that going to the suburbs is wrong, moving into the city is wrong. I'd be curious to know her views on what kind of housing is okay in her mind. Oh, yes, public housing. She has a lot written about how she wants all of us to live in public housing. I can share some of those. She says, you know, public housing for everyone, rent control and public housing for everyone, massive government interventions to solve gentrification, And yeah, she is against the private market. Yeah, this is one from 2017.

So I'll make sure the team has it here. This is a really amazing one that you pulled. This country built wealth for white people through genocide, slavery, stolen land and labor. White supremacy built the north and the south. So deep thoughts from Cia Weaver, who we also found out is her mom lives in a $1.4 million, dollar craftsman and the Daily Mail apparently tried to confront her about this, partly because of your tweet going so viral, Michelle. I think you really helped shine a light on Cia Weaver and some of the crazy things. And she burst into tears and ran away and there's all these images of her.

I think she's never really had the spotlight put on her. And yet Mom Donnie is standing by her in this newly revitalized office for, I guess, tenant rights. What new powers have, yeah, what new powers has he bestowed upon this office? You say it's revitalized. What, what, what is she actually in charge of? What power does she have? Unclear. I think that's actually going to be the most interesting thing to be looking at over the next

couple of years is how much power does the New York City mayor's office have. There's a lot of unknown there about checks and balances. From what I can tell, I think she'll be focused on the topics that she's been writing. about a lot. So, um, hearing, organizing tenants basically. And, you know, if you look, I don't know if you have the clips up of her videos, but she's pretty explicit. She basically says, I don't know if you're able to get to it now, but, um, she basically says what we want to do is have, we want to drive down the value of housing. So we want to have lawsuits against the landlords. We want to have organizing. We want to have complaints. We want to have rent control. Like the, she has sort of a list of

weapons you could say of how to bring down the value of real estate. Yeah, we've, and this is, this echoes something that Mamadani said in his, when he was sworn into office where he says, we're going to get rid of rugged individualism and we're going to replace it with collectivism.

314. This is her take on it. I think the reality is that for centuries we've really treated property as an individualized good and not a collective good. And we are going to, in transitioning to treating it as a collective good and towards a model of shared equity will require that we think

about it differently. And it will mean that families, especially white families, but some POC families who are homeowners as well, are going to have a different relationship to property than the one that we currently have. So she's going to seize property from white families? the part that I found so fascinating about that clip is it starts with for centuries for many centuries we've it's like yes for many centuries we've had private property like actually yeah like that's what our modern world is based on like that that's what built the brownstone she lives in it didn't like it's not this is not like they just grow out of the ground these brownstones like people have to put in the plumbing it's a brand new year and a brand new opportunity to change the

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You have a website that is notes from the front because you're fighting the good fight in a very blue, very dystopian new world with Mamdani as your mayor. And you've got absolute communists that are now appointed to really powerful positions. We're sort of trying to figure out how powerful Cia Weaver is going to be. Let's play one more clip from this peach of a lady. just an awful, awful way of looking at the world. 316. People like homeownership because they like control and that's been perverted by like deep racism

and deep classism in our society. So like we have to not have a racist and class of society. And so that's like something we need to think about like deeply. But you know, we, it's about, to me it's about control and why rent control is really important is because rent control alters the dynamic,

the power dynamic between renters and who owns the building. So it's all about control, apparently. People like having stability. What it is here is this is clearly a woman with just a giant, just a giant ball of resentment. That is, that's really what motivates her. I mean, some of the stuff, I don't even think we've gotten a chance to read it yet,

but she has stuff where she's like, oh, I wish, oh yeah, really needing to repress the desire for revenge right now. I wish I believed in God so I could believe that all men who take credit for women's work and all white men who take credit for the work of women of color would one day burn. Like, that is not a emotionally well-calibrated individual. She's a ball of resentment. She grew up in a completely normal family in a relatively nice neighborhood. She's had a huge amount of opportunity.

She has an incredibly comfortable life offered to her by the bounty of civilization. and let's be frank, the bounty of free markets, because if she was stuck in an actual legit communist country, she'd be hosed. Her life would be terrible. And Delta should kick all white people in Christmas outfits off planes. She's spent years posting depressive resentment against her neighborhood, her community, people who are white like herself,

implicitly against her parents, whatever she may feel about them. And she just, she's now manifesting all of her personal resentments as a political platform. And that's actually a lot of the modern left, is it's taking personal gripes and grievances and justifying them on the grounds of actually I have a revolutionary political platform. That's how it functions here. Michelle, I totally agree, by the way. And there's a whole spiritual dynamic. I think that tweet you pulled is like very telling because the left oftentimes, sometimes,

tries to replace God with some sort of, you know, mission here on earth to fill the gaping void in their hearts. But Michelle, on the ground in New York, what is it like? I mean, are people talking about this, this person a lot? Is she, is her profile raising because of how extreme some of her views are? Yeah. And by the way, I completely agree there's a spiritual element. We don't know what's in her heart or mind, but it's certainly, I don't, I've never met someone who has like a deep sense of peace writing that they want to see people burn. Um, no. The, yes, people are talking about this. It went viral beyond what I could have ever expected.

People are nervous and scared. I mean, I don't have many friends who are MomDani fans. Most people are scared for a number of reasons. People are scared about what's going to happen in public safety. You know, MomDani has a long track record of saying very, very negative things about the cops. I think people are very nervous. We're going to see a huge walkout. and a lot of cops like retiring early or quitting, which could impact public safety.

People are nervous about just his general lack of job experience. I don't think he really worked for his first six years after college. He's had like a bunch of different stints, but people are nervous about its ability to run the complexity of the city, things like sanitation, transportation. Obviously, landlords are nervous. Like, what's concerning is I think Mayor Mamdani agrees with Sia. If you go to the last tweet in the thread, it shows Mamdani saying back in 2020, people often ask what socialists mean when we say we want to decommodify housing. Basically, we want to move away from a situation where most people access housing by purchasing it on the market and toward a situation where the state guarantees high quality housing to all. So, you know, people are wondering, why isn't he firing her after all these tweets have come out?

I think the reason is because he agrees. I mean, that was, I think, how I originally came across her. I saw that she was retweeting this, but anyway, so this is, this is a belief system. It's anti, I would say it's anti-American. It's definitely anti-the-constitution to say we want, you know, the state to manage housing for everybody. I don't think anybody wants to live in state-owned housing. And there are actually a lot of people who do live in state managed housing here in New York City. We have, I think, 178,000 units of NYCHA, New York City Housing Authority. They have a reputation for being in horrible disrepair. There are tens of billions of dollars of unfixed repairs at stake

right now. I would love to see the mayor and Sia focus on Nica. In fact, I actually think Sia should move over to Nica. I don't think she should be living in a free market unit if she's against the free market. I think she should show solidarity with her constituents and move into. a public housing unit. She'd have a lot more credibility if she did. You should tweet that and I will retweet it. Absolutely. I think that the fact that there already is this sort of socialist government-run housing,

you know, vertical within the New York City government, and it's being run poorly, it sounds like, notoriously bad, shows that this is going to end in a very bad position. Michelle, Tanler, thank you for capturing these tweets. Thank you for joining us. I think this is just a fascinating insight into a really radical person that represents, I think Blake's right, sort of a larger swath of the left than we really care to believe. But I think it's true. There's a lot of these crazies out there.

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We are monitoring the press conference with Vice President J.D. Vance and Caroline Levitt. It is ongoing right now. They're talking about the Minnesota stories, ice, all of those good things. But right now in studio, we have Dr. Kent Engel, who has a bookout that came out in October, College Without Communism. You can see it right here. Let me move it over. And you can't probably see it on your screen, but right up here, it's actually got an endorsement for Charlie. He sent it in on September 8th, his endorsement, which is two days obviously before September 10th when we lost him. So that says something right there. He says about the book.

College education has become rotten to its core, but it doesn't have to be. Higher education began as a Christian endeavor. And in college without communism, Dr. Kent Engle and Joshua Leesak explain how we can undo the damage and restore college as it is meant to be. and so Dr. Engel, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. Well, thank you. What a privilege to be here. So thank you for your kind invitation. You are, it's a pleasure to have you.

You are the president of Southeastern University based out of Lakeland, Florida. You got 13,000 students on that campus alone. Not that, not that campus, about 4,000 students. Okay. So it's, but you have satellite campuses and you have one right here in Phoenix as well. So tell us about this. book, I mean, you obviously know something about this. You're creating a network of universities and college campuses that partner with local churches often that doesn't have communism in it,

which has become a radical idea. Right. Absolutely. Yeah. Tell us about it. Yeah, well, first of all, as a president who is on the front lines of having the privilege to invest in a generation that we believe God is raising up to make a difference in this world, to come along. And their life, the original intent of higher education is focused on spiritual and moral development. When you get the chance to be able to pursue truth and able to pursue character development and shape virtuous leaders, all in the purpose of helping these students discover their divine design, the way God made them, the way God created them. We're reminded in Ephesians 210, you are a masterpiece created in Christ Jesus, to do good things, which he prepared. long ago. Well, how long ago we know in Psalm 139 before you took your first breath,

God was creating you and making you in your mother's womb and you would be able to go on. And we tell every student that comes our way, you're a solution to an issue to a challenge to a people group in this world. And we get the privilege to pour education into your life so that you can be a good steward of that. But what's sad is we see so many universities and colleges. And of course, as of late, we see that in a lot of the Ivy League colleges, but that have drifted from this original understanding of how education started. It was all about formation, all about discipleship,

all about the integration of truth, faith, and learning. And they have drifted. What they've done is they've traded truth for ideology and they've traded wisdom for indoctrination and for freedom of thought to conformity and so we need to create a new framework that helps us to make sure that we get education back on track doing the very thing that we're supposed to do, provide stewardship for these amazing students that God sends our way, and we're delighted to do that.

And not only do we get it back to its original purpose, but here's the deal. We also have to hit the three most important issues in higher education today. How are we providing great access? how are we providing affordability and how are we providing experiential education so that actually what they're learning in the classroom they actually get to do it right at the same time and get out into the workforce

and do things that will make a difference and have an impact in their communities. Yeah, a lot of people, one of Charlie's favorite things to say was that the root word of education means to lead forth to bring about something which is potentially present in that student.

And so much of education has turned into a conversation, what do you feel, what do you think. To put in. Or to like figure out what they already think. I mean, and really you need to have leadership leading students towards something that is defined, that is clear. And I feel like so much of modern education has become aimless, you know, secular rot, brain rot. And, you know, I was looking it up. So of the ivies, you mentioned at Harvard, Yale, Dartmouth, Congregationalist Puritan. They were started as institutions by those denominations. Princeton was Presbyterian, congregationalist,

Brown Baptist, and Columbia Anglican. Penn and Cornell were non-sectarian. That's a very Penn thing to do. Yeah, but still deeply influenced by Protestant culture at the time. Blake went to one of the ivy, so we won't hold that again. Yeah, whatever.

So give us some examples of how, you said, college without communism, how Christians can reclaim truth in higher education. Give us some examples of how communism has infiltrated higher education that maybe they're not. not aware of. Maybe our audience would not be aware of. Yeah, well, what they do is they, they, and I see it so often. I've seen so many students from our local church and from our community

that have chosen to, to go to a state college or to a private college that doesn't focus on the foundational issues. And what happens is they're told truth is relative, that faith is, you know, not part of what we really believe shapes our lives. lives. They look at patriotism as naive. And then they look at this whole idea that moral clarity is fluid and it's all opinion. And that's what shaping these students at these classes. In fact, what's crazy to me is, is the president of Harvard. President Garber just came out just a few days ago and said, we were wrong. We went too far. Yeah, we went too far. We should not have allowed faculty activism in the classroom and for them to be. And for them to

in to form political thought that was more conformative rather than being able to reason together. And that's what I loved about Charlie, and that's what we resonated. And Charlie had the privilege to visit with Charlie on our campus, our traditional campus there in Lakeland about three years ago. We talked about these very issues. And I love that he understood his divine design. He understood what God called him to do, to come along. alongside this next generation to help form them so they could live out truth. They could live out what it means to have a call of God up on their lives to make a difference in this world and to get education that would simply become stewardship for their life. And I love how he chose the greatest place to do that, the university. Why? Because that's the place where they are forming character. They are pursuing truth. You have the ability to dialogue.

and reason together and talk about thoughtful engagement that will hopefully give you the tools that will connect you to truth. And of course, true education is connecting to truth that we understand is a person, and that's Jesus Christ. Jesus said, I'm the way, the truth, and the life. And if you abide in my word, and we know the word is Christ, because John chapter one talks about the word became flesh, lived a moment, among us full of truth. And so if we can connect students to truth and declare that truth in their lives, they're going to be able to live lives of purpose and lives that fulfill destiny that God has for them and to make a difference in these communities.

That's why we're also about going into communities nationwide. We also know that students can't necessarily come to our traditional campus, but why can't we go to them and help shape their lives with truth and character development? development and formation and all the things that are important to be a good steward of God's call upon your life. About the traditional campus. So as college has spiraled out in cost and it's, you know, you started to see the backlash to it, more people not going or curtailing it to save money. There have been people who have said this is an anachronism that you can learn as well online.

You can maybe learn using AI. You can self-teach yourself a lot of things. And that going to a campus in person, it's almost like a luxury. consumer good, all these campuses. They just built a bunch of fun stuff here. Check out our gym. Check out our theater. Check out our big dorms.

And they just made it a big consumer good. You go there, you party and have a fun time for four years. And if you can afford that, great. But a lot of people can't. And there's going into debt for this. What's the case to be made for an in-person traditional college campus shorn of those things? Like what's the value that does still provide in a good, in a true college? Yeah. Well, first of foremost, I think a traditional campus offers things that obviously other types of delivery models can't. And I think an in-person opportunity is to create community. What's it like to live in community that can pursue what higher education is all about together? And there's something about being face-to-face in a way where you can reason with each other, dialogue with each other, learn with each other.

other if it's done with that original commitment of what higher education should be, that formation process. And then you have all aspects of life because it's about a holistic development. It's about physical, mental, emotional, all those kinds of things. Those things can happen on a residential traditional way if it's guided and it's committed to what the original purpose is all about. So I think that's what makes it unique. But again, we want to be able to provide, which is an important issue in higher ed today, is accessibility. And I think that's why we have seen the tremendous growth that we've had. When I first came to Southeastern University almost 15 years ago, the student body was about 2000.

But we started to look at what are the issues in higher ed, and that is accessibility. How are we, are we, first of all, offering the need-oriented educational programs? the workforce is calling forth. And we constantly are changing and updating that. And then look at the accessibility of delivery. How are we delivering education? There are those that want that traditional experience. Maybe they're athletes.

They want that co-curricular development and the sports programs, things like that. But you also want students to be able to have access in other ways too. So how do you deliver that? So we provide online learning. online learning. We go out into communities and create campuses and communities and serve. And we partner with a lot of churches because churches are on the front lines of shaping culture. And we want to come alongside and provide educational. So I think, again, access to education is important to

students. And if we recognize that, then we can also hit the affordability issue. And that's the problem with, and I love Charlie talking about all the time about the scam of education. You know, you look at, first of all, the drift from truth, but then they saddle students with all this debt. How do you go about providing a way that students can actually graduate debt-free? And that's what we've done with our campuses across the nation. We actually can go into communities. Like right here, we have SCU, Arizona. It's housed at Dream City Church.

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You were just telling me a story about your visit. Post-communist Romania. Yeah, Romania. And tell us about how that impacted the writing of this book. Yeah, well, yeah, this book, I share the story of why I'm so passionate about this issue. My wife and I had the privilege in the early 90s to write after the Chachescu government had fallen. So they were reeling from the effects of the devastation of communism in the name. of Romania. And we had the privilege to go there to adopt three of our three children. And I remember

going there and I was just shocked at what I saw. I saw a nation that was impoverished and oppressed and spiritually bankrupt. And we went to all these orphanages around the country and thousands upon thousands of children there. And several of these orphanages, we would walk in room after room and there would be 30 40 babies lying on a cold floor underfed uncared for and what was wild is is the eerieness of it being silent you would think with all of those babies there'd be crying and all that but and you would look and there would be this distant stare even at that infant because there was a lack of love and care and i'll tell you it's not because the parents who abandoned them didn't love them they couldn't afford them

because of course communism comes in rooted in Marxism and you add socialism comes in promising you know opportunity and equality but what happens is the state takes control and you're left with control and you're left with an impovery state stripped away from the very freedom that allows you to flourish and have hope and and we were able to we talk about this all the time with our three children. You know, we had the privilege to rescue them and bring them to America. And our home became their home. And what a privilege it has been to come alongside them and helping them to fulfill what God designed them to be. Yeah. Well, and it sounds like your children have gone on to do pretty good things, too. Yes. We'll leave that for another conversation.

I did quickly here, we've got two minutes left here. You say in chapter three, you ask the question, And what happens when conservative students get a liberal education? This was a massive question that Charlie confronted. What do you explain in your book? Yeah. Well, here's what happens. I've seen these students, these good, strong conservative students that go to a place like this. And after just a short period of time, their faith, they start questioning their faith,

they start questioning their values that, you know, they were raised in their home. And again, it's because of this intention. intentional design to lead them off the path of truth. The truth is just a relative thing. And that your faith is really outdated and you should question that. And so they get this indoctrination and it starts to lead them away. And they want to give up when what we get to do at a faith-based university is quite the opposite of that. we get to help them really get in tune with truth and reality and character and morality

and all the things that are important to live a life that will give them joy, that will give them peace, that will give them that sense that I am significant in what God designed me to do and accomplish. And that's what's so great. And I look at these universities that have come in and this hasn't been by accident. They have realized that the way you shape the world, the way you shape a nation, is by starting in the classroom. If you can shape the student,

they will go out and shape the culture. And that's why this issue is so important that we make sure we're getting a hold of these amazing students, letting them know that God has a plan and a purpose for their life, and we can provide that educational stewardship. Well, well said. Dr. Kent Engel, College Without Communism, with an endorsement from Charlie Kirk.

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