The Charlie Kirk Show - The Real People To Blame For the ICE Shooting

Episode Date: January 8, 2026

A left-wing demonstrator has died after an encounter with ICE agents in Minneapolis. The show explains who is really to blame for the violence: The institutional left that has spent the past year stoking obstruction, harassment, and violence against ICE in the clear-cut hope that something would happen. Sen. Eric Schmitt joins to lay out his proposal for denaturalizing criminal immigrants. Secretary of Energy Chris Wright discusses the seizure of Venezuelan oil and the Trump administration's plans for using the country's resources. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com! Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And we are honored to be joined right at the top here by Energy Secretary Chris Wright, who is a man that is in the middle of a lot of the news that's happening, especially when it comes to Venezuela, Sludgy Crude, a new term that I learned this morning preparing for this interview. Secretary Wright, welcome to the show. Andrew, thanks for having me. An honor to be on the Charlie Kirk Show. Yeah, I got to meet you recently in person on a visit to D.C.,

so it's an honor to have you here. I was struck, by the way, when we met just your enthusiasm and your energy, I mean, no pun intended, but just for this topic. and all the great work that you're doing on the domestic side. And so I was not shocked because you strike me as a guy that has pretty much boundless enthusiasm, energy, and bandwidth. And so I was not shocked when I saw that President Trump put you and added to your portfolio the issue of Venezuelan oil. So a lot of people, there's a lot of confusion about how much they produce, how much they can produce, what is America's role. And now that you're in charge of kind of overseeing this project, please give us the breadth and depth of this situation as it stands.

You bet. Look, it's an honor. I think this issue of Venezuela, it's sort of a perfect illustration of President Trump's broader agenda, which is prosperity at home here in America and peace abroad. Because they always tied together. And in this case, they're deeply tied together. Venezuela was a giant oil producer. 20, 30, 40, 50 years ago, American companies, American investment, American technology. And then they've collapsed under a socialist, communist, top-down, corrupt dictatorship that just ruined the country. And let's come back to Venezuela in a second. But for the United States, that shrinking oil going out means less oil on the market. On balance, it means higher oil prices. It means more refugees forced out of the country. It means they've gone into drug dealing and arms dealing and human trafficking to make money and fund their government,

all of which has bought grave negative consequences to the United States and the whole Western Hemisphere. So President Trump looks at this and says, we've got to stop this immigration of drugs and people and guns and support for the adversaries of the United States, Iran and Russia, and other terrorist organizations in Venezuela. This is hurt in America. We've got to fix that problem. But it's not troops on the ground. We're not invading Venezuela. But the last 25 years of pressure, as Venezuela has just gone down the tube, haven't worked. President Trump was creative and thoughtful. How do we do this? How do we use energy and commerce to reform the state of Venezuela? So I'm thrilled with what he's done, arresting someone that President Biden had a $15 million

bounty on the head of Nicholas Maduro. It is not controversial. This guy has run a narco-terrorist state. That guy is now in custody with his wife facing trial, and we're using the leverage over energy sales to get the existing interim authorities in Venezuela to work with the United States to pivot that country in a better direction. A better direction reduces crime, reduces drug dealing, reduces stressors on the American economy, and ultimately, ultimately can bring prosperity, which is what capitalism freedom brings, back to Venezuela. And it can bring lower energy prices and enormous business opportunities for Americans. Yeah. And I think we definitely agree with you on the opportunity. I see the opportunity.

I have so many questions, though. There's questions about, you know, how much oil is there in Venezuela, right? There's allegations that those. That was great. It was people pointed out that They're saying is it the most oil in the world, but then that goes back to OPEC, and OPEC goes on national estimates, and in theory, Venezuela was exaggerating? Do we have any hard knowledge on that, Secretary? Oh, we do. Look, American companies have been on the ground in Venezuela for over a hundred years. So that 300 billion barrels approved reserve, it's actually a credible number.

But when you hear these numbers, understand all of them are wild underestimates of the actual oil in the ground. The United States's reserves today are about 50 billion barrels of oil, so only a sixth of Venezuela. But we produce 20 times as much crude oil, and United States reserves today are the highest they've ever been. So if it really was your total underground, well, we've been producing oil for 150 years, why isn't our number going down? Our numbers going up. So, you know, it's a narrow measure of with today's technology and at today's price, how much How much oil could you lift out of the ground that we know about right now? So Venezuela's reserves are immense.

That is very real. But you can't, that oil on your ground doesn't mean anything. You need technology capital and rule a lot to get it out. But that's what America is aiming to bring back. So I read that you've met with Conoco Phillips, Chevron, Exxon Mobil. Now, these were oil fields, infrastructure that were owned by American companies. previously they were expropriated by Hugo Chavez and Maduro. I've also read that the revenue from oil sales will go into American-controlled accounts.

How does that work? So you sell some oil from Venezuela, you got a buyer, the money goes into an account. What happens then? See, normally, before they ship tankers around the world, even though we had sanctions on them, the Biden administration and too many others don't enforce those sanctions. So that oil goes out. It was mostly going to China, mostly going to China and Cuba and other other not crystal, not class A actors in the world. And then that money was flowing into Venezuela. Some of it was going to the government. Some of it was going to corrupt people. You know, that corruption is centered around the raising of that money. What's happening? Then we put a blockade around, said you can't sell oil to the world.

Well, Venezuela can't survive long without selling oil to the world. Drug enforcement agency, with the help of the Department of War, extracted Venezuela, I mean, Maduro and his wife, out of the country, and we just began a dialogue with him. Do you want to sell oil? Well, of course, they want to sell oil. We said, well, look, this is how we're going to sell oil. We're going to let the tankers go out.

We'll market that oil. We'll actually get a better price and more secure payment, much more than they could. And we'll put that money into an account. And we'll bring that money back to Venezuela, but it gives us the leverage to change their behavior, to stop their destructive activity for America and Americans and steer their policies in a better direction, with the ultimate goal to lead to a representative government in Venezuela, restore freedom, democracy, and prosperity. So it is a giant geopolitical

chess board here that we're moving around. And so the question is, does that that money then get shared directly with, you know, the Venezuelan companies or are American companies going to come back in and they're going to be profit sharing? I, you know, I think that's the question. And then are they ready to make that investment once again, Mr. Secretary? So look, Chevron is still in the country and there's little changes we can make that can allow Chevron to expand their production. But what will bring American oil companies back? And believe me, there are tons of them that are very anxious to come back, is just to believe that the rule of law will be respected

and that the commercial agreements they can make are in the best interests of their country. You know, a Venezuelan government owes lots of them billions of dollars, so yes, there's an ugly history here. But our belief is, and I think these companies share that belief, is that with President Trump's leadership and the leverage we have today, we can move things forward in Venezuela,

so it's once again, it's once again a profitable place for American businesses to go. Because, of course, both sides win. If the oil companies make money, they're going to produce more oil. A lot of the revenue from that oil production goes into the government of Venezuela, but it also goes into the paychecks and economies of the country as a whole. So there's just, Venezuela, 50 years ago, was one of the wealthiest per capita nations in the world, and they've just collapsed. President Trump walked into a catch-22 when taking office.

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Like I said, I've met you in person, and I know just you have so much, I was blown away just on a more personal level, just how much insight you have about so many different areas, and I think you have been doing a tremendous job at the Department of Energy. And you guys, by the way, your portfolio, people don't understand how large the portfolio is at the Department of Energy. You guys have a lot of different avenues, and projects that you work on that people wouldn't necessarily show.

The nuclear arsenal. What's that? The nuclear arsenal. Nuclear arsenal. Yeah. By the way, are you pro-nuclear, Mr. Secretary? Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. I went to college to work on nuclear energy, you know, as a 17-year-old kid. So, yes, we want to launch a nuclear renaissance. We are also the designers and constructors of the nuclear weapons arsenal for the United States, the nuclear engines that power our submarines and aircraft carriers, and maybe least known the 17 national labs, which are the greatest Nobel Prize-winning factories on planet Earth, and that are the anchor of our Genesis AI mission that we're launching in the country.

So you're right. The Department of Energy is sort of broadly national security, science, engineering, and energy. Yeah, and now geopolitics. Well, I mean, I think probably always geopolitics. So we're getting these, you know, I don't want to I know you got an out here, but we saw this GDP number get revised up where, you know, we're seeing numbers like 4.3, 4.9. How much of the success of the Trump administration economically starts with you and the energy policies that the president is outlined? Well, look, energy is, I call it the infrastructure. It's the basic plumbing of any economy. If you get energy wrong, nothing else matters. If you get energy right, you've just got

a land of opportunity. Manufacturing will return there. You can win an AI race, for example, versus China. So, yeah, energy is pretty foundational on that. And regulatory reform, which is all the departments are working on that. We've got to make it so you can build big things in America, again,

and invest in our country. I think president's leadership is going to bring confidence. Everything comes from energy. Like, if you just look at the Industrial Revolution, all the Industrial Revolution was, was you increased access to the energy to do work. And every step where we've taken a big leap forward technologically has just been

more and cheaper energy. And the path of decline is deciding, oh, we need to reduce our energy usage, cap it, reduce it. Mr. Secretary, you know, the industrial revolution was sparked. Blake made an apt observation by access to cheaper and better energy sources. You have done a breakdown between red states and blue states. And I know we're getting a little off the Venezuela oil topic here, but how stark is the difference in energy policy and then prices between red states and blue states? Yeah, so I don't know how many people would love a little more than a 50% increase in their electricity prices, but that's the difference between blue states. If you average across all the blue states and you average across all the red states,

blue states are over 50% higher electricity prices. And that's not bad luck. Those are just political choices back to this energy thing restrictive policies that make energy more expensive somehow blue states think that's virtuous but in reality it's just impoverishing for citizens and it's just a dissuasion for businesses to want to locate there which is why there's continual migration from blue high energy price states to red low energy price pro freedom states yeah i'm looking at a chart right here so uh they measure power costs in kilowatt hours and it's kind of like a common measure of energy and Texas, 12 cents per kilowatt hour. Florida, 13 cents per kilowatt hour.

California, 30 cents per kilowatt hour. So that's three times as much electricity. That affects, yeah, your home power bill, but imagine you're running a factory. Imagine you are making something. Those can take a ton of energy. Small businesses, even though. It's even worse in Europe.

The reason factories are leaving Europe, UK can't make anything. Germany is unable to make things anymore is they've made their electricity prices too high and you can't run a power plant. You can't run a plant. I'm certain the secretary has strong opinions on this, because I've seen some of the reporting on your critiques of European energy policy, Mr. Secretary. No, you're right on.

If you make energy more expensive, they did it saying they were fighting climate change. If you look at the data on emissions, they didn't do anything in that regard. But when they made energy more expensive, they just exported their industry. You know, all these factories, Germany and United Kingdom. These are the birthplaces of the Industrial Revolution. They just sent all their industry to China and elsewhere in Asia. And if you look at after the financial crisis, that's when there was a huge pivot in energy policies. It's so important that energy stuff.

It's amazing when you look at the chart where it's just every big leap forward. It almost can make civilization deterministic where you'll look at like, oh, why did Rome fall or something? Or why did this Chinese dynasty fall? And they'll say, well, it actually just seems at the first. price of energy on the primitive forms they used got too high and they couldn't maintain civilization anymore. It's crazy foundational. Like the energy policy of this Trump administration versus the Biden administration versus Europeans, it couldn't be more stark. And it actually is the foundational choice, the first choice in a series of dominoes that falls after it or

whether you're going to be pro-growth or anti-growth. It's really that foundational. And I was going to ask the secretary to bring it back full circle to Venezuela. How does this help? us domestically because again the base trump voters america first they're skeptical about foreign interventions but this is western hemisphere it's oil it's energy it's also kicking out our adversaries out of the western hemisphere to meddle around in our business but there will be downstream positive impacts not only for american companies but american consumers so yes Caleb's watching he said somebody cut the power to the energy secretary I agree no no I agree it was probably probably the chinese a blue jurisdiction probably the

Chinese. Blake, let's go ahead and pivot, though. The main story of the day, obviously, is Minneapolis. Oh, yes, exactly. Why don't you set the table for us? What happened in Minneapolis? This was happening during the show yesterday. We didn't have the chance to react to it. We, let me make sure I've got the stuff for it. We didn't have a chance to react to it, but it was breaking at the time and we got videos right after the show. So what happened is ice has surged into Minneapolis. They're doing raids. And by extension, we're getting all the things that. the left has trained people to do against ice in last year you have people following them you have people harassing them you have people trying to clog up traffic and unfortunately yesterday it did result in a fatal shooting and i guess we may as well just play it so uh this occurred yesterday

in somewhere in minneapolis uh let's play 275 okay there's no audio on this one but they're approaching and they're saying get out of the car get out of the car get out of the car she backs up and then she accelerates away and what happens is there was an ice agent behind the one you could see approaching the side door who was directly in front of the car he was in front of the car and she sort of turns away from but she brushes against his leg and he'd already I believe drawn his weapon at that point and I think in the split second he reached the conclusion she was possibly trying to run him over and he shot through the front window and killed her instantly and then you can see it in slow motion right there there's a second angle

which clearly shows that the ice agent was actually hit, it clipped. And you can also see her wheels are spinning out because it was icy. It's cold. Her wheels spin out. She's that when the shot is fired, if you freeze frame it, her wheels are actually turned towards the ice officer. I suspect that the wheels only turned to the right once the officer drew his firearm. I looked at this clip by clip last night. Here's 300, clip 300.

This is with sound. Make sure we don't have any swear words in this. Clip 300. What the fuck? No! No! Shame! Oh, my fucking God!

What the fuck? You just, what the fuck did you do? So, here's with this. It's interesting, though. This 37-year-old woman, apparently she has a female partner, the kid. First question, I don't know what a 37-year-old woman with a kid is doing out there going head to head with ICE agents, doing some sort of like citizen vigilante, you know, observing. That's not observing. She was obstructing. And here's a witness that actually basically defines this lady as the main car leading the protest, 281. They clearly wanted her out of there because she was the main car leading the protest, is my understanding. I talked to another guy who was driving behind her, but she was very successful in blocking traffic. She was doing what she was set out to do, and so they wanted to get her the hell out of there. So it looked like she was impeding ice vehicles?

Yeah, that was her goal. That was her goal. That was her goal. Well, so I think my read on it is, I don't believe she was attempting to run anyone over. I think in, actually, I'll have longer thoughts on this. So I'll want a strong reaction to that. But I think this was a tragic accident. But the most important takeaway is it's a tragic incident that's been caused by the left strategy to harass ICE, to intimidate ICE.

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these offers won't last long call 800 875-425 or visit my pillow today and use promo code Kirk Blake you were building out this idea that this is ultimately the Democrats fault would happen in Minneapolis shooting well let's tee it up so a thing that's built up to this is just this violent there's been a growth of violent rhetoric against ICE intended to de-legitimize it as an institution I know we have some clips related to that So most recently we had a Democrat representative Joe Morel says there is no, no violent rhetoric against ICE. He hasn't seen that anywhere. He said there was none.

We'll show that clip, 279. But frankly, what's really frustrating about this, I saw Speaker Johnson's comments, who immediately says that there's been this effort to encourage people to engage in violence with law enforcement officers. That's not true. I haven't seen that anywhere. Okay, well, our team whipped up a montage of some stuff. Let's play clip 280. When I see ICE, I see slave patrols. Picked up by, you know, hooded thugs in the street.

The ice, you know, thugs. Nondescript thugs. Like vigilantes. Ice is a terrorist organization. And kidnapping and disappearing people. Stealing and, yes, kidnapping people. The vice mayor allegedly calling on gang members to defend the city from these immigration rates. I want to know where all the trollos are at in Los Angeles.

Stop mass ICE agents from deporting. our neighbor. Every single one of them, no matter what it takes, no matter how long it takes, will of course be identified. Our police do not cooperate with ice. Our local police department will not ever cooperate with ice. Democrats told to get shot for the anti-Trump resistance. There needs to be blood to grab the attention of the press and the public. That last one is the really revealing one. And you can find more. You can find articles that call them the American Gestapo.

You can find tweets and Blue Sky, whatever they call a Blue Sky Post. Like the American SS. Oh, we have him. Oh, I'll have to complete this afterwards with the Senator. Let's jump to the Senator right now. Senator Eric Schmidt, welcome to the show. You are a former state AG of the great state of Missouri and you're a lawyer.

You know, there is this whole back and forth online, Vice President J.D. Vance chimed in. I thought this was, I literally did not realize this would be a contentious point. One of the points that the left is making is that this shooting was unjustified because this woman's a U.S. citizen and this ICE agent is not a cop. It's an ice agent. So the U.S. citizens don't have to obey orders from an ICE agent. Yeah, that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Yes. First of all, what it appears, and what I saw on a couple of angles on the video,

is that she was impeding efforts by ICE agents to do their jobs. You're not supposed to be able to do that. She was given direction to sort of stop doing that. And then this ICE officer was struck. And when you put that in the context of vehicular assaults up over 1,000% across the country on ice agents, and the demonization that's happened over the course of the last year, by the left against ice agents. It's created a powder cake, guys. Like, I was in a committee hearing and talked about this. The Democrats' rhetoric on this is insane. But as far as this goes

specifically, if the officer fears for his life or significant body bodily harm, he can defend himself, which is what was happening there, right? I mean, the angle of, you know, and by the way, you notice the, the tires sort of skid out too, which also reveals that the car was a little bit out sort of control, but it appears to be, from everything that I've seen, justified. It's a tragic situation. I mean, anytime you have a loss of life, it's a tragic situation. But what's really strange about all this is that the Democrats, I'm surprised this this hadn't happened sooner, but they continue to sort of create these conditions for confrontations with ICE agents who were supposed to do their jobs. And one last point, like deportations are nothing new.

Like Bill Clinton deported millions of people. What's different now is the Democrats actually in the left, they don't actually believe in borders. They don't actually believe that anybody should ever have to go home, that once you're here, you should stay here in perpetuity. And they've created the villains, these ICE agents who are fathers and sons and daughters and aunts and uncles who are just doing their jobs. And what you'll never hear the left say, you'll never hear them say this guys, is, you know what, step away and let the ICE agents do. their jobs because they don't want them to. They don't want them to. So it's it's a terrible situation. But yes, an American citizen has to obey orders from ICE agents when they're impeding the progress of what the ICE agents are trying to do. And you certainly don't have

the right to try to run them over. Senator, do you think there's any potential? We just, there's so much deliberate will to get people to go out there to harass ICE, target ICE. We've had car. Like, why did this happen? This happened because we've already had car ramming attacks on ice agents we've seen people encouraged to use cars as a weapon this is directly encouraged by a lot of lawmakers i feel at some point there's got to be room for prosecuting someone in that they are basically developing a conspiracy to sabotage federal law enforcement in their city or in their state well i do think that yeah the federal prosecutors should be very aggressive in this regard to send a very clear message um

but the Democrats in the left, they're seizing on this. And I have to say, just from a stepping away from a pure political perspective here now, they can't help themselves. This is such a part of their DNA now. It reminds me a lot of the kind of beginnings of the defund the police movement that then became to define their party. This is them not wanting law enforcement to do their jobs. They're willing to docks these people. They're willing to, you know, try to run over them.

And then that's the, you know, then you have the Antifa element, which are sort of the foot soldiers of all this, who deliberately, you know, throw firecrackers to lure ice agents out of federal facilities so they can be assaulted. They have safe houses. So you have a more organized effort with Antifa for sure, which is why we were successful in petitioning with Marco Rubio to not only have them be declared a domestic terrorist organization, but also a foreign terrorist organization to get after their funding and shut these people down international. that's all part of this but it's very coordinated there's no doubt they share tactics and you create dangerous situations like the one you had in in minnesota these are they call them citizens observers and they end up being you know harassers stalkers of ice agents dhs border patrol and they are sophisticated they have lawyers standing by that are paid for by a network of NGOs that are financed by god knows who and this is increasing this tactic of ramming and harassing

ICE agents is increasing. Let's hear from Secretary Nome directly on this, 299. Today alone in this country, there have been four different domestic terrorist attacks on federal officers by the ramming of vehicles. Three of them happened here in Minneapolis. We've seen over 100 of these vehicle rammings happen in just recent weeks, and this must stop. Ice alone is facing a 1,300 percent increase in assaults against them, and an 8,000 percent increase in death threat. against all of them. In fact, the very same officer who was attacked today had previously been dragged by an anti-ice rioter who had rammed him with a car and drug him back in June. He sustained injuries at that time as well. Yeah, this is, so it's increasing, obviously. Here's my question

for you, slightly off topic of that, though. You have local officials. The local police chief says he will arrest this person if he gets an order from a judge. You have city council members that are saying this person needs to be arrested. Lieutenant Governor is saying that it's absolutely a possibility. So if he faces state charges, but federally, everybody's saying he's fine, what then happens next? Yeah. Well, first of all, let me just point out. And I was in the Oval Office actually yesterday afternoon when this kind of news broke and was with the president and learned about even then, as Secretary Nome mentioned, that this officer in particular had been dragged just a few months ago. Right. So like this person in particular had been involved

in another one of these incidents. But to answer your sort of legal question, what will happen if that, and Keith Ellison is a clown. So I would imagine that the temptation for him not to show the restraint that you're supposed to as an attorney general. I mean,

I wrote a book, the last line of defense on all the stuff I did as attorney general. You could write another book on all the things you didn't do because you want people in those positions that have some regard for the law, right? Because it's a very powerful position.

So if he does charge the officer, what will happen then is that case because of their federal agents would likely be removed to federal court. So because of supremacy clauses issues, that would likely be removed and then he would have all the defenses available he would in the federal court system. So I don't think there's any chance that this would stay in state court, quite frankly, but that might be the move that Ellison wants. We'll see.

This whole incident takes place obviously upon the Somali backdrop, the fraud rings. You are introducing legislation to be able to denatural. people that become citizens. Tell us about it. Yeah, it's called the Scam Act. And I think what we've seen in Minneapolis, and by the way, I think is probably just the tip of the iceberg, but particularly in the Somali strongholds across the country, you've seen this kind of abuse with this really kind of pathological. There ought to be a response, and the response should be swift. So one, we should move forward with stricter fraud controls as a condition for being able to accept money. There needs to be greater

verification of who's actually getting the money, right? That seems very obvious to like a normal person, but it isn't actually baked in in a lot of these blue states because governors don't want to do that. We should insist that as federal dollars go out the door. Secondly, there ought to be real prosecutions. Like at DOJ, like make this a priority and send a very important message to these immigrant communities who think they can fleece taxpayers. But what my bill does specifically, it says that if you're part of one of these efforts or you're involved in a violent felony or you're involved in, you know, other kinds of felonies that we list in the legislation we're filing this week, you will be denaturalized.

If it's proven that you did that, denatualized, and it's a 15-year look back, right? There isn't currently anything on the books that will allow this. So that's what we're going forward with. They are scamming the system. You're introducing legislation that they could be, their citizenship could be stripped. Correct. That's absolutely correct. I think that's where we're at right now because, you know, we talk so much about illegal

immigration and we should. Thankfully, we have a border, but there's deportations. closed border and we have to have deportations, but we don't talk enough about legal immigration, right? And the abuses that are taking place, whether it's H-1B or the OPT program, which we're sort of working on to try to get that reined in because there's a lot of abuse. But in this instance, where someone's been naturalized and they claim that they're going to be good citizens and have good character, there really isn't a good mechanism right now that if you're not that person you say you're going to be, that you would be denaturalized and sent back home. That's what this legislation will do. will say, look, if you're part of these scams, if you join a cartel, if you are involved in a violent felony, guess what? We're going to denaturalize you and send you back where you came

from. Well, I 100% support it. Is there any chance of it passing? I mean, we'll see. We're going to have a house partner. Hopefully the House would move it quickly. And then we'll try to move forward in the Senate on it. I mean, look, we have to have a response to this kind of stuff. But, you know, I worry the Democrats are so in for this mass migration criteria for their party. It's in their DNA. But we're going to work hard on it. Well, I, yeah, I mean, I worry about Republicans, too. You're one of the great ones.

I guess that's right. Yeah. Senator, we have your back 100%. Keep pushing this. It's important if we don't get it this round. You keep expanding the Overton window. Thank you, sir. Thank you for making time.

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Yeah, Blake, let's close the loop here really quick, because you were winding up on this Minnesota topic. I want to let you go off here. Yeah, yeah. So we were, just before the senator came on, we were talking about the violence, you know, the violent rhetoric against ICE, the really hateful stuff, American Gestapo, American SS. And that montage we played ended on. Let's, let's throw up picture 291. It's that. line, what you need to be you need to do is you need to be willing to get shot

when you're visiting these Isis or when you're harassing these agents. They psyched these people up. Are you prepared to be shot? This is this violent rhetoric. And the thought, the comparison that actually came to mind, a friend of mine made it and it was really brilliant was he said

the less rhetoric against ICE is a lot like the strategy used by Hamas in Gaza. And so what they do is they do two things simultaneously. They promote actual violence against against ICE or in the case against the IDF. They do actual violent stuff.

But they also encourage more normal rank and file people to do really provocative and edge case behavior. So get in their face, like rub up against them, do all the stuff that's right to the line. Swear, cuss, scream. And, you know, take non, they take the nonviolent people and they make them go as close to the border of violence as possible. And what they're basically doing is they're intentionally trying to engineer a situation like this.

Read the news, you can easily find examples of this. You've had ramming attacks on ice agents in Chicago. You've had these criminal blockades against ice operations all over. And you have people saying, oh, shoot them, do stuff. In fact, we learn today the agent who was involved in this shooting last year was hospitalized because he was trying to stop in a legal alien and he got dragged in their car. Like he put his hand through the door and they drove and they dragged him. That was probably going through his mind as this was unfolding here.

And so what they've been doing is they're trying to engineer a situation where everyone's jumpy. This is what, like I said, I made the Hamas comparison for a reason. What they'll do is they encourage people, any person who's in the IDF knows, okay, these guys could be a suicide bomber. They could have a hidden gun. They could do something. Or they might just be one of the gazillions of people who are trying to get in our face and do all this disruptive stuff. And they do this in a calculated effort where they know this will eventually lead to unfortunate situations where someone gets shot who wasn't a suicide bomber, who wasn't armed. And they do this for a cynical calculator reason.

They're using these people as human shields. They are trying to create PR victories. And that is what has happened here. People on the left deliberately encouraged activities like what this woman did. because they know it could eventually result in someone getting shot. If they didn't want people shot, they would say, we're going to protest deportations. We're going to protest against the Trump administration's immigration policies,

but don't get in ICE's way, allow ICE to do their work. They are the government and you allow police to do their stuff to avoid violence. And instead, they have done the opposite. They have gotten in the face of these people because they want something like this to happen. These people wanted this woman to die, they plan for this to happen, they are strategizing on how to exploit it, they are secretly very happy that this occurred because it is politically useful to them, and they are the ones who are responsible for this happening. It is not ICE. ICE is doing their job. The people who are responsible for this are the ones who instigated this woman and others to sabotage valid law enforcement, to get in the way of valid law enforcement, and to cause.

incidents where someone could die period and we can't back off from that point regardless of how this exact situation went down i felt the very same way when george floyd was killed exactly it shows the improvement of how we've our understanding of the left's tactics compared to 2020 yeah we've built up immunities to it 327 can you throw that up ice agents who opened fire on rene good was dragged hospitalized by a legal migrant driver last year you mentioned this this was it's been proven documented that shows that this is a repeat action that they're trying to get in their face they keep ramming they keep harassing they encourage people to flee they that you know you've got these flights you've got if they want every ice agent to feel jumpy and worried and that's

what causes mistakes yeah and we don't know that this is a mistake necessarily but it causes unfortunate incidents to happen exactly you know and i kind of agree with you i don't believe that this woman was trying to run him over necessarily but she was willing to like take a car, hit the gas so fast that it would spin out to try and flee from them and to hell with where she was pointing. She didn't seem to care at that moment because she just wanted to get away. They'd psyched her up. Oh, these masked men will kidnap you and disappear you.

The Gestapo's coming for you. The Gestapo's coming after you. As opposed to ICE are real police. If they order you to do something, you have to listen. And like a normal thing, a normal reaction that the right has to learn to say is, if you do not listen to what police tell you and ICE are police, police, you may die. That is part of life. If you don't listen to police, you might die. That is a consequence of ignoring valid law enforcement. That's well said. Her sole purpose of being there was

to block the road. Yes. Impeding, obstructing, harassing, potentially attacking.