The Charlie Kirk Show - The Russia Hoax: Does It All Go Back to Barack?

Episode Date: July 23, 2025

Charlie reacts to the latest swerve in the Jeffrey Epstein story, after AG Pam Bondi approved a bid to have deputy Todd Blanche hold discussions with Ghislaine Maxwell. Then, he talks to Sen. Rand Paul about Tulsi Gabbard's sudden war against the intelligence apparatus. Could indictments be coming for John Brennan, James Clapper, Anthony Fauci, and maybe even Barack Obama himself? Alex Marlow discusses his book about the centralized Democrat plot to throw Trump in jail ahead of the 2024 election. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com!    Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hey everybody, Charlie Kirk here live from the Bitcoin.com studio. Some breaking news regarding Ghislaine Maxwell and the Epstein case. We cover it here. Rand Paul joins the show. Is Obama going to go to jail for treason? Then Alex Marlowe talks about breaking the law and breaking the law. His new book. And we talk about has Obama, has he been breaking the law and a lawfare that was directed against Donald Trump? Email us as always, freedom at Charlie Kirk.com and subscribe to our podcast. Open up your podcast application and type in Charlie Kirk show and get involved with turning point USA at TP USA.com.

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they are taking this very seriously. Attorney General Pam Bondi announced this morning that she is dispatching Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche to meet with former Jeffrey Epstein associate, Galaine Maxwell, sometime in the next couple of days. In a statement from Deputy Attorney General Blanche, which was shared by Bondi on X, Blanche says, quote, This Department of Justice does not shy away from uncomfortable truths, nor from the responsibility to pursue justice wherever the facts may lead. The joint statement by the DOJ and FBI in July six remains as accurate today as it was when it was written, namely that it was in recent thorough review of the

files maintained by the FBI in the Epstein case, no evidence was uncovered that could predicate an investigation against third parties. Blanche continued, quote, President Trump has told us to release all credible evidence. If Galen Maxwell has information about anyone who has committed crimes against victims, the FBI and the DOJ will hear what she has to say, unquote. In a separate follow-up post on Axe, Blanche said, justice demands courage. For the first time, the Department of Justice is reaching out to Glene Maxwell to ask, what do you know? No one is above the law and no lead is off limits.

Some people are saying, well, what do you mean by credible information? The Wall Street Journal drive-by shooting of President Trump should show that there very well might be some uncredible information that prior Intel agency heads or prior FBI heads might have put throughout all this. And that's very important. The Wall Street Journal piece shows that there is a misinformation campaign against President Trump. Not even President Trump's current critics are believing that Wall Street Journal piece against Donald Trump. Elon Musk, who has obviously we're in the midst of all that Elon Donald Trump schism, which I hope to bring back together, not just me, I hope we can all bring that back together. Elon Musk has said, yeah, I don't even believe this Wall Street Journal piece.

It's a total joke. It's a mockery. And even people that are kind of temperamentally against President Trump, they're like, yeah, this this has no legs. And that story has had no legs at all whatsoever. And so by credible information, as Todd Blanch puts in the statement, is that we should be a little bit, just let's say concerned that prior administrations could have put something somewhere

to try to hurt Donald Trump as evidenced by this ridiculous Wall Street Journal piece. And I think the Wall Street Journal has lost a lot of credibility. Now, Ghislaine Maxwell's lawyer has confirmed they are in discussions with the federal government about holding discussions. Maxwell is currently sentenced to 20 years in federal prison for sex trafficking but is pursuing a claim that her trial was unfair since she is still contesting her own case that may impact what she is ready to tell prosecutors.

But maybe some kind of a deal could be reached for information. We will see. Of course, Bondi has filed the unseal grand jury documents in this case, which is massive news. Joe Biden did not do that. President Donald Trump has authorized the DOJ to move to unseal the grand jury documents. That is now going to be in the hands of the federal judge. The votes of the base, the voices of the base have been heard and continually are being

heard in this way. Now, look, this is why they're going straight to the source and why this is so powerful. If anybody actually has the information of what has happened around Jeffrey Epstein, it's not going to be some James Comey created file. It is going to be some James Comey created file. It is going to be the lane Maxwell. The GOP House Oversight Committee has also approved a motion to issue a subpoena to glane Maxwell, potentially opening the floodgates into the government's handling of the Jeffrey Epstein case.

Here's what makes the Trump administration so much different than the Biden administration or the Obama administration or the Bush administration. You guys got fired up. We talked about this on our program and they are listening to you. Is that Todd Blanch, Pam Bondi, President Trump, Cash Patel, Dan Bongino, JD Vance, President Trump himself, they are listening to you. They're moving to allow Ghislaine Maxwell to testify in front of Congress. They're moving to unseal the grand jury testimony. They're moving to allow Ghislaine Maxwell to now be interviewed by Todd Blanch and Todd Blanch, you say, Oh, I don't trust Todd Blanch. Hold on. Not so fast, my friends. Todd Blanch was

President Trump's lawyer during the Moscow show trial in New York. He stood by Donald Trump when almost every other lawyer was unwilling to represent President Donald Trump. As you know, this was a huge topic of conversation at the Student Action Summit. And this all goes to show, as articulated in the statement by Pam Bondi and Todd Blanch, really the focus on action and transparency. And action is absolutely happening.

But I also want to make sure that I reiterate something, that they are saying credible information. The Wall Street Journal piece is overwhelmingly powerful in my opinion, and is great evidence that there might be fake stuff that is thrown at Donald Trump inside and outside of all this discussion. The Wall Street Journal piece is not like Donald Trump is somehow, he's Pablo Picasso as a doodler. I don't think so.

But I want to just summarize this. Again, I want to read this one more time and I want to read it with intentionality and deliberation. Justice demands courage. For the first time, the Department of Justice is reaching up to Ghislaine Maxwell to ask, what do you know? No one is above the law and no lead is off limits. Again, Ghislaine Maxwell's lawyer has confirmed that they're in discussions with the federal government. And I hope Todd Blanche is able to get real answers here. Because out of all the information in front of us, it's not going to be some sort of potential mine that James Comey left to try to hurt Donald Trump as evidenced by the Wall Street Journal piece, it's going to be most likely something from the words of

Ghislaine Maxwell. And this is the position of this program. And this has been the unwavering position of this program this entire time. We just want the truth. We are truth seekers and we are transparency seekers. Some people say, can we trust Ghislaine Maxwell? Probably, but also probably not. She is in jail for doing some really bad and awful stuff.

She was a co-conspirator with some of the most demonic and evil activity that one can comprehend. But that's why Todd Blanche is going to do what he does. She's obviously self-interested and she probably wants some sort of leniency or some sort of special accommodation from the federal government. And that is why Todd Blanch is going to go in as the Deputy Attorney General and ask the hard questions. I just want to make sure every single one of you in this audience understands the profundity of Todd Blanch being up to go be able to go do this. The green light to do this shows that this administration is interested in transparency, interested

in the answers. Delaine Maxwell is going to be a mixed bag, but through that mixed bag, we're going to be able to detect what is real, what is right, what is true, what is probably she's saying that's fake, but she's motivated probably to tell the truth about Epstein. And maybe finally in a situation where she wants something, the incentive structure is high, maybe we'll be able to learn something about this very confusing, high stakes and important issue. Maybe she wants immunity, maybe she wants some sort of protection, I don't know, but it's definitely something that is worthy of praise and worthy of our encouragement that this administration listens to the voices of the grassroots.

This administration listens to all of you in the audience. They understand the import, how this is very important to a lot of people. It's not important to everybody. Some people, honestly, are more focused on making mortgage payments and trying to buy a home and having kids or it's okay. That's what a coalition is all about. But this administration values the voices of the grassroots. And so this is a major move. Two things simultaneously that I want to make sure are clear. On one side, you have the DOJ moving to unseal the grand jury testimony documents. Big, massive, and profound. And on the other side, you have Todd Blanch going to go interview Ghislaine Maxwell, and then she is going to go in front of the House Oversight Committee and be able to get questions from our favorite House Republicans. As we've always said on this program, we're going to keep covering it as news pops up and so please thank you guys for caring about this I should say.

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Senator first, I want to ask you, can you just give inform audience, remind the audience about the Fauci-AutoPen pardons? And what, do you actually think that because the pardon for Anthony Fauci was signed by AutoPen, there could be potentially some legal way that we could still hold Anthony Fauci criminally accountable, Senator? Well, I think we don't know, but the only way to do it is to challenge it.

So for example, I do believe Anthony Fauci committed a felony by lying to Congress. So you have to charge him with a felony, take him to court, and then the court will decide whether or not the pardon is upheld. You can argue till you're blue in the face that you can't do auto pens and that maybe the president wasn't aware of it. But the only way to actually do this is you have to charge someone who has pardoned. I think Anthony Fauci is the most likely to be chargeable. There are other people, Hunter Biden,

and they could be charged as well. But someone has to be charged, you have to take it to court, and then you have to decide. I think in Hunter Biden's case, he actually did physically sign it, so he must have perhaps recognized who Hunter Biden was, and he also had to recognize the importance of signing it. So he must have perhaps recognized who Hunter Biden was. And he also had to recognize the importance of signing it. With Fauci, I'm not sure if he knows Anthony Fauci's name or is aware

of the circumstances. He is somewhat distant from contemporary events and activities. So, you know, but the only way to figure this out is to take it to court. Senator, remind the audience here just one more question on the Fauci thing. What did he lie about in front of Congress and what was the significance here? And I believe it was in part of your testimony and his testimony, your cross examination of him where he lied. Please remind the audience about this. Anthony Fauci testified before Congress in a very vigorous and heated and animated way that the NIH never funded Gain of Function research in Wuhan. Well, this is directly contradicted by the actual people who were involved with the funding. EcoHealth Alliance was the firm that the NIH funded that then secondarily funded the research

in Wuhan. When EcoHealth's funding was stopped for a while, they then sent a letter back to the NIH when it started up again, and they said, thank you for restarting our gain-of-function research funds. That's one evidence, but another bit of evidence comes from NIH interim director Tabak, who when asked whether this was gain-of-function research, said, of course it was gain-of-function. So I do believe he lied. I think he lied repeatedly and I think he was doing it to cover up any connection that he would be responsible because he had the bad judgment to fund this risky research in Wuhan that I believe ultimately

became the pandemic. Now Senator, shifting gears, you were a phenomenal leader exposing how the intel agencies entrapped President Donald Trump during this whole Russiagate thing and actually how it also resulted in, unfortunately, unnecessarily adversarial relations with Russia. President Donald Trump in the Oval Office has now said that Obama committed treason, that the Obama administration basically planted

all of the seeds of Russia gate without commenting on whether or not Obama committed treason because you and I both have not seen the documents or the particulars that President Donald Trump has been briefed on. What's your thought on now what Tulsi Gabbard is doing to expose the deep state and the intel agencies that were turned inward against the American people and a duly elected president, Senator Rand Paul? You know, I think Tulsi Gabbard doing a great job. I'm behind her 100%. In the first Trump administration, I was sitting in the Oval Office with the president and

we discussed whether or not John Brennan and Clapper should have their security clearance taken away. And I advocated with the president and on the spot, he called someone in and he said, take away their clearance because I think they were abusing their power. I do believe in 2016, early 2017, right after the election, that they were using foreign intelligence agencies

to gather intelligence on Trump campaign officials. I think that there were members of the intelligence community under the Biden administration, none of the Biden, under the Obama administration that were abusing their office to collect intel. I think that they changed intelligence. The conclusion was that yeah, sure, the Russians tried, they tried, they bought $50,000 worth of Facebook ads, but they weren't very effective and didn't have any influence on the election. That was immediately changed or surreptitiously changed in December of 2016 after the election to make it look like, oh, what we will now say, our official line that will spread throughout

government is that somehow Donald Trump's election was illegitimate and that it was based on Russian interference. I think this was a politically motivated and purposely done misuse of the intelligence powers. I think Tulsi Gabbard's correct in trying to expose this. So you've been involved in all of this. And again, I think Brennan has, I agree with you, Brennan has not only abused this power,

I think all roads lead back to the CIA. Let's play cut 323, and I'd like to get your reaction. 323. The witch hunt that you should be talking about is they caught President Obama absolutely cold, Tulsi Gabbard. What they did to this country in 2016, starting in 2016, but going up all the way, going up to 2020 of the election. They tried to rig the election and they got caught. And there should be very severe consequences for that. After what they did to me, and whether it's right or wrong, it's time to go after people. Obama's been caught directly. So Senator, what potentially, I mean, just I know we're hypothesizing here and speculating, but what potentially could Obama or any of the ringleaders of this, what could they be

charged with? What could they potentially be, Brennan, how could they be held accountable, Clapper included? Senator Rampal. You know, there were stories even at the time. I remember in the transition to the Trump presidency, I remember people talking about it that the Obama administration was spreading things around to make sure that they couldn't be destroyed by the Trump situation, by the Trump administration. But what they were spreading around was misinformation. You remember the guy that did the Steele dossier, all of a sudden

he's flying across the ocean and meeting secretly with John McCain who breathlessly believed everything this spy was telling him. He was basically duped by a spy with misinformation from the Clinton campaign, who McCain then comes running back and dutifully tells the Intelligence Committee what he was being given. So the Democrats give the Intelligence Committee

and community the Steele dossier. The Steele dossier is then given back to McCain, who then gives it back to the Intelligence Agency. So it all starts in one place, goes in a circle, and McCain was basically duped into being a part of ginning up this big hoax. But the one principle that's important above and beyond who gets prosecuted, even above and beyond Donald Trump, is we cannot allow our intelligence agencies to go after U.S. citizens, particularly the CIA. And I believe what they did in this instance is the head of the CIA, John Brennan, I believe interacted with a head of intelligence in England and other countries to spy on US citizens. I believe that those meetings in a bar, random meetings in a bar, where they're recording

Trump employees, I don't think those were random. I think those were ordered by the CIA, but they knew it was illegal to do themselves, so they got British intelligence or Australian intelligence or other countries' intelligence to do their dirty work for them. And so additionally, we could also say that Brendan could face hopefully many years in jail for lying before Congress over the NSA spying, but that could be on the statute of limitations unless you put up a conspiracy charge. And so I want to just make sure we build this picture out even more because Senator, you have been by far the best, in my opinion, of any senator out there talking about the abuses of the intel agencies.

You've been so consistent and so principled. So I think you are uniquely positioned to talk about how we rein in the intelligence community. Where else should we be looking? Where else are there abuses? Are there missteps? Have there been overreaches? Because as you can see here, the president has a demand to try to hold them accountable,

which is far overdue. Where else would you recommend for this administration, this Department of Justice, this president to look for to finally bring the intel community heal? You know, I think President Trump's done more than any other president in my lifetime to begin this process by appointing Tulsi Gabbard, by appointing Cash Patel. These are reformers at heart. These are people who believe there's been abuses. Tulsi Gabbard was abused by this Quiet Skies program that targeted her and followed her and spied on her, got on the airplane to follow her around the country and around the world. So she knows firsthand what it's like.

So I think she's ideally the person to be in that spot. We also know, I know from doing the research for my book, Deception, the great COVID cover-up, that we discovered that at the CIA, that even on the analysis of whether COVID came from a lab or from animals, that there were superiors reversing the judgment of different scientists at the CIA who came to the conclusion that yes, it came from a lab in China, and then they were overruled by superiors,

we believe, for political reasons. We believe that one of the reasons, and this was actually reported by an inspector general at the CIA, one of the reasons being that the analyst who came back saying that there was Chinese involvement in this laboratory accident, that this was fitting Trump's rhetoric and that it was too pro-Trump and that they didn't want to say anything that would be supportive of anything Donald Trump was saying.

So they were actually going to falsify or quiet any kind of CIA analysis that said the virus came from the lab because that fit into the Trump narrative or seemed to be supportive of Trump. And this is really dangerous that we have people at the CIA, analysts, who are not reporting facts about our enemies or adversaries and trying to give certain facts and then let people, the policymakers, interpret it that they were actually withholding or changing the facts if it seemed to support the president or any of the president's response to the pandemic. Very quick. We only have a minute remaining. We found out the House will be recessing starting

on Wednesday coming back in September. Do you believe the Senate will stay in session to work on President Trump's confirmation? Senator Rand Paul. The good news is we've now approved more nominees than at any point in time in any president. So I think we've done a good job with this. I continue to advocate plowing forward. I am a chairman of my committee. I've approved a couple dozen by now. I get them as fast as I can get them.

I put them through the committee. And so I've been a champion of approving the president's nominees. And but I think we've done a good job. I don't think there's probably a reason to change our schedule, but I think that we've done a good job and will continue to plow through the nominees as fast as we can. Senator, thank you so much. We need to get those U.S. attorneys and those ambassadorships. So please stay on that. Senator, thank you for your time and for your insight, especially for bringing the intel agencies to heel. Thank you. Thank you. Ask 10 people to define the word capitalism. How many different responses do you think you'll get?

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Oh, thanks, Charlie. Thank you for plugging it. Yeah. It's a, this is my deep dive investigative research. I tend to pick a topic topic spend a year on it. Last time I did it with the Bidens and before I did that with the corporate media. And this time I just noticed when the law fair was building up against President Trump, there was clear coordination across the government, including from the Biden White House.

And it was just not being explored. We were actually despite all the news on it. We weren't spending nearly enough time on it because this was a true outrage and we'd never seen American history, unprecedented levels of corruption and collusion designed to take down not just President Trump but a movement and all the people within it. And I think the story that I get to tell is completely explosive. And while I'm researching this, we see what's gone on with all these district judges trying to single-handedly execute a veto power over the executive branch of the US government Completely impossible unconstitutional you would think and yet it's gone on for six months and it continues to go on to this day

This is really one of the fights of our time Charlie and it's time. We spend some time thinking about it So let me ask you based on your reporting and in the book breaking the law, was there collusion between Fannie Willis, Jack Smith and Alvin Bragg? This was always something that was so suspicious that they all simultaneously come out with indictments. They all simultaneously kind of come out with effectively a an indictment spree. Remember the Rush press conference by Fannie Willis? Yes. What is that? Tell us.. So, right, so I will share with you that there is clear evidence there was collusion from the Joe Biden White House with these various cases. One key example here is that Nathan Wade going to the White House two times

for a total of I think it was about 16 hours of meetings at the White House during the middle of this. Nathan Wade was only put on that case because he was Fannie Willis's boyfriend and it was essentially a grift for them to be able to make money to go on exotic vacations. Nathan Wade was a family lawyer. He was a nobody. He would never be on a case like this in a million years, aside from the fact that he was, had an opportunity to make easy government cash while he had a powerful girlfriend. And him doing this somehow also got him invited to the White House. There's no scenario that anything that Nathan Wade was talking about in that White House other than how to get Donald Trump.

We don't know the details of that meeting, but that's where the investigators need to begin. I don't have subpoena power, Charlie, but I can guarantee you that if I did, we would learn there's coordination, there was a coll collusion that there was direction from the Joe Biden White House, very apropos this week in the news with the Tulsi Gabbard stuff and Barack Obama is very clear that this is coordinated some level. And because of disclosure rules, normal journalists can't get that

information. It's now in Congress, the Senate, et cetera. They got to go in, they got to get that info now. Yeah. And so it is, it is a collusion. Is there a way to hold them criminally accountable for what they did to go after Trump? Can we start to get arrests here, Alex? Because I, alongside so many people, want to start to see perp walks, arrests, indictments.

This seems like as if there were so many norms and customs that were basically forsaken. Alex, how do we actually ultimately get towards justice here? Well, so first of all, all of this would be illegal if we can get the hard evidence that I can only get observational evidence. I have a lot of interviews with people who are on Trump's team, people walk me through a lot of the behind the scenes stuff, but a lot of the things that me as a civilian, as a person who edits a website, this is where the lawyers need to come in with government subpoena power, bring people in, and I direct people where the investigations need to begin because we are no doubt going to see high levels of illegal activity.

And the things that if they're not illegal, Charlie, they absolutely should be. For example, take all these punishments against Donald Trump, these $90 million fines and $400 million fines. That's all cruel and unusual punishment, flat out. Just start from that premise. It just shows you they're willing to break the law, thus the name of the book, in order to try to get their guy. And when that failed, that explains,

we just had the Butler anniversary, when they tried to take him out by shooting him. And who knows what happened on that day, because we never got answers to that either. There were clearly elements in the US government that would do take any means necessary to take out Trump. And this puts a lot of, I think, meat on that bone. Alex, shifting gears here for a second. Sure.

And this kind of ties all of it together. President Donald Trump was very animated in the Oval Office today. Let's play this piece of tape where he is calling for basically not just the indictment, but saying that Barack Obama is guilty of treason, which is punishable by death. Now, we don't know if this is a literal accusation of Obama being guilty of treason or kind of a heated moment we don't know but let's play this here 319 if you look at that those papers they have them stone-cold and it was President Obama it wasn't lots of people all over the place it was them too but the leader of the gang was

President Obama Barack Hussein Obama. Have you heard of him? And except for the fact that he gets shielded by the press for his entire life, that's the one they — look, he's guilty. It's not a question — you know, I like to say, let's give it time. It's there. He's guilty. This was treason. This was every word you can think of. They

tried to steal the election. They tried to obfuscate the election. They did things that nobody's ever even imagined, even in other countries. These are fighting words, Alex Marlowe. How do you interpret all of this? Yeah, I think Trump knows that there has not been justice for him. There needs to be retribution, but not retribution in the revenge sense. There has not been justice for President Trump for his first term. The Russian collusion hoax hijacked that entire term. We spent years and years going along with this. You had a great talk with Tucker yesterday, Charlie.

I really enjoyed that. I watched the whole thing. And one of the points that's made is that how do they get the whole New York Times, the Wall Street Journal and the Washington Post to take it seriously? This is how came from Barack Obama. That's how they got him to take it seriously. And that exact same pattern played out in the Biden White House, where right after the midterm elections, we saw that top Biden officials going down to lower courts to try to look

at Trump to try to get Trump by other means. They're bringing in Nathan Wade up for some reason from Georgia up to the White House to meet. They got Merrick Garland appointing Jack Smith, who is a stone cold killer, who was totally unconstitutional and they tried to get away with it anyway. This is what they do. These guys fight political warfare 24 7. And that's why as I say in your show, Charlie, basically every week, we need to stay in a war footing. And that's what President Trump is doing. We do need to stay on a war footing. So if you were to advise the president how to handle the proceeding of these potential indictments,

how do we do this in a way to not see seem reckless as you say full of revenge? Yes, how do we pursue justice justice above all? Because we have to pick the right indictments, we have to measure twice and come once. Right. Alex Marlow. I love this question. Use the word justice over and over again. That's the right branding.

Never make it sound like you're doing this just to settle political scores, because I think scores should be settled, but you can't verbalize that to people. That's not going to convince anyone who's not a deep base voter. And then you let the facts fall where they may. They're going gonna be bad. We don't have to hit a grand slam every single day. Let's try to get some facts out there the way Tulsi Gabbard did last week.

Gets people engaged, gets people excited. It starts exposing the bad guys for who they are. And we do have to trust the process to some degree. This is a great country with a great system relative to the others. We have a lot of flaws in our system, but overall it's pretty good. So we just need to start turning over those stones

and trust that in the end, Trump is gonna be vindicated. I think that's the approach and we've got a little bit of time to do this because we've got another three and a half years of Trump's administration. So now Alex, I wanna play another piece of tape here. Let's go a little deeper because I know you really care about this law fair stuff.

Yeah. And what they did to Donald Trump, so your book, Breaking the Law, talks about the literal lawfare against Trump. But honestly, Russiagate was lawfare 1.0. Absolutely. Through other means try to stop the Trump administration through deep state actors and deep state manipulation. So let me play this here. I believe yeah, this is Obama gate. So this is first. Let's play Tulsi Gabbard saying there's hundreds of documents that prove Barack Obama directed this treasonous conspiracy. Play cut 252. Over a hundred documents that we released on Friday really detail and provide evidence of how this treasonous conspiracy was directed by President Obama just weeks before he was due to leave office

after President Trump had already gotten elected. This is not a Democrat or Republican issue. This is an issue that is so serious it should concern every single American because it has to do with the integrity of our Democratic Republic. Alex, your thoughts on this? Here's the deal. Russiagate is absolutely part of law fear. This is the whole point.iagate is absolutely part of law fair. This is the whole point. James Comey leaked records of his interactions with Trump to gin up the Russia controversy.

Who did he leak it to? A guy named Daniel Richmond, a professor at Columbia Law School. The whole point was to be able to use legal means to prompt a special counsel investigation into Trump and his fake ties to Russia in order to tie up the administration. This happens over and over again. Look at the FISA surveillance, Judge Boesberg, one of the stars of lawfare. He ruled that former FBI attorney Kevin Clinesmith,

one of the top Russiagate hoaxers, shouldn't get prison time. This is all coordination across branches of government to sabotage Trump. This is what we talk about when we talk about the deep state. Right now, over 7.5 million businesses in America are thriving on TikTok. We certainly are reaching the next generation rather successfully there. Businesses that employ more than 28 million people, but behind the stats,

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That is TikTokEconomicImpact.com. All right. Check out Alex Marlowe's latest book, Breaking the Law. Yesterday I was a guest on the Tucker Carlson program. It's getting a lot of views. People are really enjoying it. I want to play a piece of tape here, Alex, and then get your reaction. Play cut 308.

The growth has been in what we call pink collar jobs, jobs that men would rather sit at home and kind of just be, you know, slovenly than be caught doing. Cause it's just so demeaning to how we as men are wired. They're not about creation or risk taking or value proposition or boundary pushing. They're kind of about, well, here are the rules and the norms and we must enforce them. By the way, there is a rule- They're mom jobs.

Exactly. And you know why they're mom jobs? Because these women aren't moms. These women play mom at work because they don't have kids at home That's dark man It's true Alex Marla your thoughts first of all Charlie congrats on the amazing appearance. I watched the whole thing I learned a lot about you at your best super high energy very crass, but I don't think you missed a syllable I think you spoke cleanly for two hours without making one, one verbal faux pas, which we

in the broadcasting world, very, I doff my cap to you in that one. But this was your most important. That is phenomenal feedback. Thank you. No, I'll let you continue, but only you, very few people would pick up on that. But that's tough. It's tough. It's like, it's basically like not having an incompletion

in NFL terms, but keep going. Yeah, that's right. 21 straight completions is pretty sweet. No, it's one of these things where it's the... We know you're well read and you're well connected, but it's also more entertaining when you're smooth too. So it's And, but this is your most important point. This is the point that needs to be made, is that we are, and I know this because as a millennial, I know that people my age and younger are, there's a big disconnect between my age and younger and older generations, particularly the boomers,

about the way the economy is structured. They are not seeing the wholesale differences, particularly with regards to the way the economy is structured. They are not seeing the wholesale differences, particularly with regards to the way the economy has been feminized. And this is creating a lot, this is gonna create a lot of downstream problems. First of all, the debt addiction, and then the spiraling that people do

to try to get out of it, where they dedicate their lives to things like sports betting and crypto plays. And I'm not saying you should be free to do that stuff, I'm just saying it's incredibly toxic for most people to do that. And then when women are out earning men, then men are not going to be attractive to the women. And for me and you, Charlie, natalist, people go

out and say, go get married, have a family. It's going to be very hard to convince young men who cannot out earn women that they that's a possible scenario for them. So we can be as persuasive as convincing as we can if the economy does not allow for young men to be men and make money enough money to support a family that we're going to have massive problems that are potentially existential threats to the society.

And so what did you make of then the political ramifications of our chat again? I encourage everyone you could check out on YouTube. We'll post the entire thing on the Charlie Kirk Show podcast page. Right now it's up on Tucker's page. What do you think this means politically? Alex Marlowe. I think registered Republicans are still with Trump through the Israel stuff, through the Epstein stuff.

But what you've been talking about, at least sometimes, Charlie, and I think is important, the point that needs to be emphasized is that there's a lot of people who are new to the coalition are not registered Republicans. They're not even reluctant Republicans like I am. There are people who don't want anything to do with the Republican Party. They just like the idea of Donald Trump, someone who's super successful, super funny is a knocks things down and exhibits those classic alpha traits that resonates with them, gives them confidence over a sleepy Joe Biden or a

feminized Barack Obama or, or Kamala Harris. And so they like that. So how do we keep those people in the coalition? We're not going to be able to keep them in that coalition if they don't feel like they can get ahead in Trump's economy more than they can in other, with other presidents. And that is a fear I've got six months into this administration. I give it an A, I know you gave it an A as well, just cutting the border stuff alone, gets the job done.

But there is much more we can do to try to reset things for younger generations so that they can partake in the American dream. Alex Marlowe, you're doing a phenomenal job. Check out Breaking the Law, that is Breaking the Law. And thank you for the kind words of our conversation that we had with Tucker Carlson. And it was honestly, it was great to be able

to have a two hour format to talk about a couple issues that don't always get the long form attention. Unfortunately, so often we get long form attention on stuff that is not immediately consequential, but what could possibly be more important for family formation? We're a very pro family show, but not you can own a home.

And I asked the question again, when was the last time you washed a rental car? The answer is probably never. You don't get your rental car's oil changed. When you rent, you don't take where you live as seriously because it's not your own. Your politics changes, your attitude changes, your philosophy changes when you are an owner. And we need to make this generation owners and make sure we bring the lost boys back in to be leaders of the civilization. Alex Marlow, congrats. Come back anytime.

I think we have you on once a week, breaking the law by Alex Marlow. Alex, thank you so much. Thanks Charlie. Thanks so much for listening. Everybody email us as always freedom at CharlieKirk.com. Thanks so much for listening and God bless. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk.com.