The Charlie Kirk Show - The Silent Majority, The ADL, The Super Bowl, And More

Episode Date: October 1, 2025

The Anti-Defamation League is finally ending its defamation of Charlie, with its new announcement that it is getting rid of the page listing TPUSA as a hate group. Show guest Tim Pool reacts and discusses how far "cancel culture" should go with punishing those who celebrate Charlie's death. The show staff debates the merits of far-left radical Bad Bunny as the Super Bowl halftime performer. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com!    Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

My name is Charlie Kirk. I run the largest pro-American student organization in the country fighting for the future of our republic. My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth. If the most important thing for you is just feeling good, you're going to end up miserable. But if the most important thing is doing good, you will end up purposeful. College is a scam, everybody. You've got to stop sending your kids to college. You should get married as young as possible and have as much.

many kids as possible. Go start a turning point USA College Chapter. Go start a turning point to say high school chapter. Go find out how your church can get involved. Sign up and become an activist. I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade. Most important decision I ever made in my life and I encourage you to do the same. Here I am. Lord used me. Buckle up, everybody. Here we go. All right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show, Andrew Colvette, in we are honored to be joined today by the one the only I think you're like what are you the record holder of YouTube streams or something you have the most YouTube streams of all times I don't know there's I think we talked about this once and I think it was a pretty remarkable stat anyways this is that Tim Poole welcome to the show thanks for having me it's an it's an honor and a privilege well it's honor to have you and I got to do your show on Monday night and that was a great experience and I just you know with everything going on Tim, we'll get into it later. You know, thanks for making the trip. I know it's, it's no small feat. Security is a huge, huge, it's a very large challenge. It's very expensive, but I, again,

honored that you, you're having me out. Yeah. Having you on my show is also, it's an honor and a privilege. Awesome, man. Well, listen, I, I want to, we have so much news to cover today. And, you know, first of all, I want to give a big hat tip to our team and what they accomplished at Utah State last night. We had, what do we have, Tyler Boyer was out there. We had Jason Chaffetz, who was actually there, he was a witness on the day at UVU. And we had Governor Cox, and I want to explain some of the backstory with the Governor Cox thing, because I know there was some, some hemming and hawing and some heartburn over why we invited Governor Cox. And there was also Andy Biggs. So a great showing, and this was actually the largest evening event

to date that we have ever done at Turning Point USA at a at a college so there was over 6,000 people in attendance for this and the crowd was fired up you can see that if you're watching the stream they the energy in this room I keep everybody was texting me I was my phone was blown up they're like it's insane it's so great and that was despite by the way uh some sort of bomb threat or suspicion of a bomb at a separate building so it didn't affect this building this building This building was on pure lockdown, and, you know, there was, they, I think bomb squad kind of detonated some sort of device in a defensive measure, haven't gotten confirmation on what exactly, what that suspicious, you know, package was, but everybody's safe, everybody's home. We're, we're grateful for that. So let's go ahead and play at least a couple of images here.

Let's see here. I just love me a good Charlie Kirk chant. So Charlie Chant, 91. Please play. Charlie, Charlie, Charlie, Charlie, Charlie, Charlie, Charlie, Charlie. Yeah, it was just completely organic. The kids are fired up. We have more tour stops coming.

back and down. Tim, hopefully you don't think we're totally crazy for doing this, but we have to go on. Charlie would have mandated it. I can tell you that.

Let's call it brave. In the face of your fears, you persevere. Yeah, well, the kids are doing great. The team is doing great. And all the speakers that have been coming out, I mean, I can tell you,

the security is extraordinarily robust. Magnitudes more than anything we've ever done. And there's a lot of people, I will just say that are working in conjunction with it. So take that as you will. I want to get into something that I kind of think is, and we were just talking about before the show started,

something that I think is almost like a little bit of a Washington meme. Like it's in the bubble, right? It doesn't, like nobody seems to care about this story, but it is political news, so I want to make sure we talk about it. And that's the Schumer shutdown or a sombrero gate. It sort of snuck up on us because, obviously we've been distracted by everything and in the background there was like oh there's a government shutdown possibly approaching so even I feel a lot of us at turning point are belatedly looking oh we should we should probably know about this because people will ask about it it's interesting because before all of this happened we were talking about it months ago we were kind of circling on our calendar knowing that this was going to be a thing and then obviously what happened with Charlie it has totally faded into the background and it feels even more so now Tim because of everything that

happen it's just like I can't explain it I can't tell if it's just me living in the bubble that I'm living in but it just doesn't seem quite like the past shutdowns yeah I agree and to be honest last night on Timcast RL we decided not to lead with the government shutdown story because of the bomb threat or hoax device at the TPUSA event and I feel like I we're talking to jack bosobic about this I'm not sure we're that concerned with the government shutdown when we've had in the past four weeks for terror attacks. It's the question we ask when we launch every show is what is the big story that people are looking for

and wanting to understand about and understand. And the government shutdown matters. What is the reason for it? But I think right now, when I talk to regular people, when you listen to some of these other podcasts, big shows, even Joe Rogan, they're talking about what happened to Charlie still. It's kind of, there's the pros and the cons of there, right?

We don't want to forget Charlie, but at the same time, it's because we're still scared. And I'll stress this again, there's nothing wrong with being afraid. It's what you do in the face of your fears. Do you back down? Do you give up or do you persevere? And I think that's what everyone's trying to do. So when I saw a video of a detonation at one of your guys's events, I was scared.

I said, what are they trying to do? So was that. Yeah, I mean, there's so much out there right now. You know, it's funny, the likes are not public anymore. but you can see people when they like your tweet. And I've seen some high-profile people, including Elon Musk, like a tweet or a post that I posted yesterday about this new Rutgers poll that says, you know, 50% of people think over 50% of progressives, left-of-centered people think that it would be justified to kill Elon Musk to advance their political views or Donald Trump to advance their political views. There's a new poll out today that is also really terrifying. But, you know, we were talking about this before we came on.

Stephen Crowder has felt moved to go back on to campus and, you know, basically do his – because Stephen called him, changed my mind. And now he's doing it again, and Charlie's – and turning points were proving me wrong. So it's basically the same concept. They'll go go on campus and have a debate and do it in a civil way. And I'm going to play this clip, Stephen Crowder, cut 96. In 2016, the idea was, hey, calling the left on their bluff civil dialogue with anyone to the tune of billions of plays and hundreds of hours. And it got increasingly violent.

And what I didn't tell people, I told people out there, go do this on your own campus, have these conversations. I advocated for it. And Charlie took it to another level. He was unbelievable at it. What I didn't do, I didn't tell people about the threats because I didn't want. copycats. I didn't tell them about terrorists from Yemen through Sweden showing up in East Grand Rapids. I didn't tell them about concrete milkshakes. I didn't tell them about my tires getting slash about people trying to fire bomb my car. And maybe if I would have picked up the phone,

maybe if I would have used this megaphone to tell people, it's real life out there. And the left wants you dead. Maybe Charlie would have had a fighting chance. Maybe I could have done more. What do you think of that, Tim? He's completely right. I've been getting death threats quite a bit. this is what makes it currently very difficult to travel. The whole time I've been doing this, even, let's go back to 2018, I'm on YouTube and I'm like this moderate, and my position at the time was I'm not going to vote for Donald Trump. I'm not going to support Donald Trump. I'm going to try and be honest about what he's saying and what's going on.

I'm not here to get political. I was still getting death threats from the left. I was still being accused of being far right, the lies, the smears. As the threats and the violence ramped up, I stopped going on the ground. I used to my whole career was field reporting I went to Berkeley I filmed these protests I interviewed people the threats got so intense surely you were doing yeah the younger generation has picked up that that baton and they're carrying on that legacy I became too well known and the threats were intense where we're at today even yesterday in the face of all the threats that I get where we've we've increased our security which is already intense I have people on the right saying don't talk about it don't let anyone know Because you don't want, like, exactly what crowd are saying, you don't want copycats. You'll make it worse if you bring it up. I fear this is creative perception for the average American that the right is not facing death on a regular basis for going out and talking about these things.

Tim, keep going, because this is important. I really want to, I don't want to interrupt this. So you're saying you and others, and Stephen said the same thing, that have been reticent to talk about the threats because you didn't want to inspire more. we got in in 2022 we were swatted at my studio 15 times we had the bomb squad called out three times they deployed robots i believe into these occasions because hoax devices had been sent which the the standard police deployment could not assess they had to get the actual machines out there there are people like ham Higby and nick shirley who are currently on the ground just recently uh someone threatened to kill nick shirley on the ground in portland yeah i fear

exactly as Stephen Crowder pointed out, that because we constantly are told don't talk about the threats you're getting, these younger guys don't understand how serious the death threats we were getting, why we stopped doing it. And so they go out there thinking, well, I know anti-vis violent. I've heard about what happened to Annie know, but as Crowder pointed out, the slashing of his tires, the firebombing of his vehicles, terrorists from foreign countries showing up just the other day in the face of the death threats we have been receiving, which, you know, we've been in contact with the FBI over. I have conservatives, people on the right saying, don't bring it up. Just don't say anything. It'll get worse. And then I'm just like, guys, I don't know how much worse it can get.

Maybe we need to actually try a different strategy and say, hey, look, this is very real. It's happening. We need everyone take it seriously. I think a reasonable thing to speculate on is we have to take it more seriously in the sense of actually what we should do is we should make sure these things are investigated and if they are if they're able to make an arrest you have to punish that harder you're just going to say if you're going to make actual threats to kill somebody we're going to put your face on the internet and we're going to put you in jail for five years and as they say or longer candidly and just like

and like docs people with their address of people who threaten people so just so just so just so we're clear it is patently insane to say you know to threaten somebody's life I'm going to go out of your way and say say those words and I mean I've seen some of yours you've showed me and they're insane they are graphic the left's goal is the hecklers veto

in these radical campus activities they want to use threats they want to use menacing they want to use bad behavior to stop people from exercising freedom of speech and that when that is crossing the line to succeeding it has to be punished for real it has to be punished extraordinarily hard I completely, completely agree.

One thing we haven't talked about, and I totally agree with the fact that we need to change our strategy because there's just too many data points right now that show that the left, and especially hard left and younger progressives, are getting extraordinarily radical, right? And so we need to also attack the funding networks, and I will never get this out of my head, Tim. The last text message that Charlie sent to Stephen Miller said, we need to address the financing networks of those groups that are fomenting violence. It was the last one he sent Stephen Miller. And if I trust anybody to be a dog with a bone on this stuff,

it's Deputy White House Chief of Staff, Stephen Miller, who he and Katie have been completely harassed by these people and dogs. Hi, America, it's Andrew with the Charlie Kirk Show here. President Trump walked into a catch-22 when he took office. If he had done nothing, America would be staring at, a ticking debt bomb, the kind of crisis that could cripple our future. Instead, he's taken action with tariffs and strong policies to slow the train and bias time. But the effects of past administration spending are still working through the system. And once companies lower cost

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what's it like to be in here? I mean, I know that you guys did your show here once. I know. And I think you sat in Charlie's chair once. I had to sit in the chair. Man, when I walked into the building yesterday, two days ago, we're doing our Tim Kest I'll show from you guys' headquarters. We came out. And I remembered the studio that you guys had so graciously built for us so that we could come

and do this. The extent that the TPSA team and Charlie went for us to have us be involved in what you guys had built, it is beyond. honor it's you know every every i described this job as being sisyphus pushing the rock up the hill and i've i have a lot of companies that say hey come on my show hey will you can i interview on this and it's always it's always a chore it's always work there's only one time it didn't feel that way if i described it as when when you guys extended that offer to come out here it was like all of a sudden the weight of that rock had been gone and i looked to my right and charlie is pushing that rock up

the mountain he says we got this come be a part of what we're working on and i could finally you not only built us a studio so that we could be here and again for us now but when we had technical difficulties brought us in and said you can use charlie says you can use my studio you can sit in my chair do your show we're grateful to have you i walked in on monday and those memories came flooding back of that that that feeling and then instantly it was cut in half by the by the knowledge of what had happened to charlie and i almost started crying it's it's it's tough well Charlie always loved having you at our events, Tim, and you, I think you're a really important voice, and you occupy a lane, and you do it in such a way that I think really engages, you know, a whole different audience, right, that we couldn't reach or weren't reaching as, or maybe we did, I don't know, but like, the point is you did a, you do a great job, and we were honored to have you and still honored to have you. That's why I reached out, because it was like, Tim needs to be here. Tim needs to be a part of this. I looked up to Charlie. He's younger than me. I looked up to him. I can't believe.

leave the amazing thing that you guys had built and you know he's coming to my shell a couple times we've got these these hand drawings he's autographed him for us these posters and so when i come here and i see everything that you guys have done when it's the craziest feeling in the world for you know you and charlie to have been like no tim you got to be here and i'm like me what are you guys talking about this is so amazing it's it's it's it's beyond confidence building i'll put it that well you've earned it yeah um i want to play i want to show this image for the audience we're talking about left wing violence and i'm going to get into the adel in just a second but you look at this this cut uh this would be 300 put this up majority of strong liberals a majority

which means more than 50 percent say violence against the rich can be justified nine and ten conservatives say it can't be violence against the rich Tim why are we seeing numbers like this and where did this come from you know i blame social media there's a clip going viral right now from Joe Rogan's show where he's talking about how he's shocked so many run-of-the-mill liberals, teachers, doctors have been celebrating the assassination of Charlie Kirk. And with all due respect, because I think he's a great guy, I told him this on his show. So it was years ago, we sat down with the executives from Twitter, Jack Dorsey and Vijay, I got it. And I explicitly stated one of my key points of the show is that if you create this bifurcation in the world,

If you do not allow people the ability to speak and come together, I'm going to build a van and go live down by the river because it's going to be civil war. It's going to be crazy. What I see now is I am pessimistic. I hate to say this. People call me blackbilled. But when you have social media platforms that allow monetization and social growth from celebrating assassinations, you will get more of it. Young people were told after the assassination of Brian Thompson and New York. York, that assassins are celebrated by the left on social media. And they told me, you know, YouTube, X, all these platforms, well, Twitter before Elon bought it, celebration of death is against the rules, to celebrate murder and violence is against rules. You'll be banned for it. After Luigi Mianjiani was arrested, accused of killing Brian Thompson, they made sainthood candles of him. Social media celebrated him. Nobody gets banned. Nobody gets suspended. We warned, Charlie warned, this was creating assassination culture Charlie warned a lot about that

Look where it brought us Look where it brought us Charlie it's not changed I mean we've got Real quick like we had You know in advance I believe of the Utah State event We had a table out

And it's not just obviously The big threats or the big violent actions It's all the stuff that lies beneath it So we had these left wingers Just kind of walk up and like Throw everything off the table and attack it And someone we're not going to show it But someone handed a pencil illustration

of Charlie being shot just to the person at the table like that little those little elements was at NAU oh was that NAU that's where it was that was sorry

NAU and they hand a note of Charlie being shot like ha ha here's your this person you may have met just dead it like this level of like nastiness like going down to the core

that you cultivate in these little ways and it turns into this big violence when it's indulged so Tim why don't you explain for the audience what's going on with the ADL the ADL had Turning Point listed as an extremist hate group. Meanwhile, it looked like it was apologizing for Antifa.

Indeed, they were. It was their glossary of terms. It's fascinating. Basically, everything was racist. Did you know, I think numbers 1 through 60 were considered racist? I'm not even kidding. Like, no glossary. It's like, here's why number three is racist.

And so they have Turning Point USA listed in their glossary of terms, describing it as a, like, a hate group or something that effect. They've since gotten rid of the whole thing. And I think at least they're starting to recognize the role they played in the avalanche. The saying goes, the snowflake doesn't blame itself for the avalanche. Each one of these NGOs, these organizations, they make money, they receive donations, when they accuse people on the right of being Nazis or white supremacists. But you know, the problem is they strip mind the whole place. There were no white supremacists left to condemn.

So what could they do? Well, move over to regular old conservatives and accuse them of being racist, I guess, which has created this culture. I think all of that has played a deep role in the bifurcation of the moral worldview in this country. Liberals don't actually know who Charlie was and what he believed. And they were shielded from actually being exposed to it by the lies of these organizations. So they would tell these liberals, Charlie was a racist, white supremacist, don't listen to him. Then if someone ever said, watch this video of Charlie, they go, no, I'm not watching that.

I refuse. And same thing was true, is true for Trump in the political space. It's good. They're getting rid of it. I'll give him credit for that, but we still should recognize the problem. Well, it's amazing how effective these lies can be. I'm reminded of when Charlie was at Oxford, and you have to point and counterpoint, point and counterpoint, that sort of thing. And Charlie just dismissed that one guy out of, I think it was a professor who parroted the very fine people hoax.

All these years later. The very fine people hosts got repeated again this week by Nicole Hannah-Jones in the New York Times in her article bashing Charlie. You're right. Yeah, I mean, it's just amazing how that happens and how insulated the algorithms make people, right, so that you live in an information bubble. You know, it's funny, I'm not a conservative. I mean, maybe by today's standards. So what am I, well, I'm a Chicago urban liberal from a working class firefighter, you know, first responder kind of area. How am I finding myself in this place? Well, my biggest concern from the beginning of this was the truth, what's really going on. And so I enter the space because when I was actually on the ground covering news, I'd see CNN lie. I'd make a video being like, here's footage of what really happened. Liberals were not happy with this. They, When I went to Sweden, Donald Trump had that famous moment on TV in 2017. Last night in Sweden, he said, and so I did what I always have done. I said, I'm going to go there and film vlogs and many documentaries about what's going on.

I had journalists messaging me saying, don't do it. And I'm like, I don't understand why. And they said, Trump's lying. I say, great, I'll prove him wrong. They said, no, no, don't go. That's how insane is today we have this shutdown. The big debate is why did it happen? Trump says they want to give illegal immigrants health care, government-funded health care,

which is correct. That is the truth. I go on CNN and says fact check false. Democrats don't want to. Why? Because the Democrat argument is if you entered the country illegally, but claim asylum after the fact, you are now a legal, you are a lawful immigrant. Just by virtue of whether it's been adjudicated or otherwise by saying so. Now, if CNN told me that and said the argument between Democrats and Republicans is, I would accept their news company as a news company. but they don't. They omit all of those details. I go to the bulwark. Same thing. Republicans are lying. Ignore them. Don't listen to what they're saying. I go to the National Review. They tell me the truth. Interesting. Yeah, I mean, it's just a argument over a definition of a term. We think those people are illegals. And by the way, every time we try and change the status for a temporary protected immigrant or whatever,

or, you know, whether I guess DACA would be included, these asylees, we're trying to get rid of them. that we believe that they were given the status illegally or fraudulently. You run into judges that will block them. But here's, I mean, it's a essentially, it's a pedantic argument. And you're, you're right. The news does not want to give you the truth. They want to cover for their side. They are activists in journalists clothing. And I mean, I think everybody's just getting really upset, like getting tired of it. However, there is this contingent that we're seeing on the hard left, the progressive young left that obviously doesn't want the truth. They just want to kill their enemies.

And everything else feels like, you know, pointless now. And this is why what the ADL has done, now they've deleted their entire glossary of, I guess their hate glossary or whatever. So you can't look at it anymore. But this is what they said about Antifa before. We talk about lies and truth, right? Antifa, a decentralized leaderless movement.

So there's nothing to see here. That's a lie. I can confirm that. composed of loose collections of groups, networks, and individuals who are vigorously, vigorously. It's like a, you know, it's an oddly positive way to say it, opposed to fascism and focused on countering right-wing extremism, both online and on the ground. And this is where it gets really egregious.

While some Antifa adherents have engaged in violence or vandalism at rallies and events, this is not the norm, despite disinformation campaigns that suggest otherwise. Well, as a journalist who has been on the ground and inside of their meetings, I can confirm that's all lies. They engage in what's called the diversity of tactics. This is the term they use. They have meetings where they invite these peaceful protesters to join their direct action meetings where the leaders, the financiers and the organizers supply tools and signs and resources and a plan. So there's an effective leader. They work international.

We call them the tourists because somehow the same people in New York are in L.A. and Turkey. And then what happens is they tell a certain, everyone wear the same clothing. You wear black masks that way. When our agents get violent, they can't convict us. It is coordinated. They have legal, they have progressive NGOs that specifically go out to provide free legal defense. Watch these videos. You'll hear them yell, what's your name in birthday?

And as they're getting arrested, they yell their name in birthday. Why? The legal apparatus they have as an aside to their groups, then goes to the legal system, creates reasons by which the person must be released. They exploit our speech laws, our criminal laws, and our court systems so they can engage in this violence. But I'll just say one last thing. The money comes from somewhere.

The signs come from somewhere. The marching plans, what route they're going to take comes from somewhere. And they're all flying the same symbol. They got leaders. Oh, they've got leaders. And by the way, in places like Portland, you know, we had Tom Homan in the studio yesterday. And, you know, you've got this ongoing battle in Portland to defend federal. property in the ice facilities that are by the way getting snipered in places like

there's been three ice facilities that have been shot up right uh illegal immigrants in that instance died in in texas so you've in places like portland where the local leaders are like nothing to see here everything's safe and peaceful i mean they have allowed these antifa militant groups these guerrilla groups to grow and fester and unabated i mean they they are absolutely organized and they run the city well i I would actually point out the decentralization thing is actually fairly true

and it's how they get away with a lot of what they do which is they are able to anytime someone reaches out they sort of melt away and all of that and so you do need unusual techniques to go after them

and we need to update our techniques so like when you say like go after the funding networks a lot of the people in Antifa are huge losers which means they don't need a lot of money to do things they're the sort of people who are willing to be quasi homeless or live out of a really crappy apartment and all they do all day is go menace ordinary civilized people. And it doesn't take a lot of money to do that.

The decentralized thing is a tricky position. When the ADL says they're leaderless, I don't believe for a second the ADL does not understand how these systems operate. I think they're intentionally covering for the left for legal reasons. So in these direct action meetings, they will explain to you why the leaders must remain nameless. they have explicitly stated at all the meetings, I've been maybe like a dozen of these. They say, if our leaders come forward and they're visible to law enforcement, they will be targeted, arrested, or smeared in the press. So while the leaders do exist, you meet them, you shake their hands. There has to be leaders. Any system, eventually people rise up and they become the leaders.

Even lobsters have leaders. That's exactly right. So somebody is telling people where to go because anybody who's worked at a Walmart or a Baskin-Robbins sort of understand some people are management. some people are not and why is the ADL then claiming it's not it's leaderless other than to just well you know it bothers me and you you had a great bit on this earlier uh Blake a couple shows back where we're talking about this both sidesism right I went on smirconish on CNN I believe the weekend after it happened and you know how you if you do like a news hit they plug you into the program feed you kind of hear the program before your interview comes up so you're sitting there watching

the show and you know smirconish is an okay guy I'm not I'm not, I really don't have any particular bone to pick, but I got inflamed that day. And it took everything in me to just keep it down the middle and the fairway because I had to sit through a whole, this is both sides. Both sides need to tone down the red of both sides need to do this. And I'm sitting here going like, you guys have no idea what our side has been up against for so long. And guys like you and guys like Stephen Crowder and guys like Charlie knew it and he knew it and you guys know it firsthand because the death threats and the threats are very. real and there's the calls with the FBI are very real and you're constantly trying to play whackamol with this stuff because groups like the ADL whitewashed it and they cover for it and this is again

why I got so mad at Jimmy Kimmel because that was a tacit indication a signal saying we're going to whitewash when people kill conservatives we're going to lie about it and by the way when you tell me I can't I'm going to double down on it because I don't think you you deserve the truth that we saw this Cato study they say the right is responsible for more extremism more violence what they're really doing is they're saying fringe sovereign citizen and white supremacist extremists are the same thing as Charlie Kirk. That's what they were trying to do. I look at that and I say, okay, yeah, I literally don't care. What is the motivating ideology? This guy attacked the LDS Church. Was he motivated by Speaker Johnson? He wasn't? Okay, well, the concern we have when we say the left is that

AOC went on the house floor and espoused the same ideology as the alleged assassin. That is where we say, wow this ideology of liberals of mainstream liberals moderate democrats is held by violent extremists we are concerned about how violent they have gotten well they then say the right is doing it but you can't compare stephen crowder or charlie kirk to some clan guy in the middle of nebraska who knows where well and by the way you you made the point though that a lot of people were quoting the adel crime sort of data some study and it wasn't it done by a guy that was connected somehow to Antifa? Oh yeah, there's several different studies.

I don't know which, I can't remember which one. This one, this might have been the, like, I can't remember the name. But yeah, one of those studies they were passing on was just literally made by an Antifa activist. There was like three or four databases that they were like always sharing that do this. Pull up the ADL heat map,

the extremism map, and right wing has right wing white supremacy, white wing, right wing anti-government and right-wing other. meanwhile left is just one thing if it's not a marxist leninist who blow up a building it doesn't count as left wing violence for instance the killing of aaron danelson didn't count according to these studies as left wing violence jeez louise are you kidding me it's true huh yeah i mean it's it's like as far as you want to go down the rabbit hole right it just keeps getting worse and and and something has to be done and i think you're you're spot on that we're going to have to adjust our tactics to you know confront this or we're all in deep deep deep trouble legacy box has been a proud sponsor of this show since 2021

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the timpool daily show and timcast irl on all audio podcasts and you're on rumble too oh yeah rumble man oh yeah i had to say that first rumble dot com slash timcast iro of course that's our that's our that's our home Yeah, exactly. I mean, the home of free speech. And by the way, I think YouTube's been like loosening things up a little bit. But if it wasn't for Rumble, I don't know that we would have been able to keep Charlie on YouTube. Right? It was like the counter pressure was super important. Market pressure. All right. We're going to wrap up hour one with the final segment hour one. But I think we're just going to keep streaming through the break. So don't go anywhere. We're going to welcome back radio. We haven't actually talked about the shutdown yet. We were like, we got to open with the shutdown and then we didn't actually talk about the shutdown so we might want to get yeah we can i don't know if we feel like it well i welcome back to the charlie kirk show andrew colvin executive producer of the charlie kirk show um you know i i want to i do kind of want to talk about sombrero gate just because i think it's fun that we are that are the president of the united states is trolling dollar store obama and uh shut down schumer what's great is

they're going to scream that it's racist and i like guarantee they already are But I guarantee that actual Hispanics, like, especially Mexican-Americans, will find it extremely funny. Because it's the same thing with, like, Speedy Gonzalez, where, like, they would all complain that that's racist, and actual Mexicans love Speedy Gonzalez. It's, like, Mexican-Americans generally really like, like, Mexican-themed, like, humor and cultural stuff. So we got to, I totally agree. Even with the, the, uh, Taco, Taco Bowl. Yeah, yeah. Oh, the best Taco Bulls.

We love Hispanics, you know? Let me see here. Do we actually have the, okay. I think this is 85. Look, guys, there's no way to sugarcoat it. Nobody likes Democrats anymore. We have no voters left because of all of our woke trans bull-bord. Not even black people want to vote for us anymore.

Even Latinos hate us. So we need new voters. And if we give all these illegal aliens free health care, we might be able to get them on our side so they can vote for us. They can't even speak English. So they won't realize we're just a bunch of woke pieces. of you know at least for a while until they they learn english and they realize they hate us too my goodness all right but so this is what's great so uh hakeem jeffreys comes out and it was like you can't do this

to be like you're not going to get me with this bigoted uh which it's not bigoted guys you he's making a point that you want to keep health care for illegals as we define them tim not as CNN defines them. Anyways. So he's making a point about who you're in. And obviously, many illegals come from south of the border. So let's, but so he gets all upset about this. So Trump doubles down and posts another one.

Play cut 95. The tree will get you nowhere. We are fighting to protect the health care of the American people in the face of an unprecedented Republican assault. All right. Yeah. So, so Trump is, is, is, will not be cowed. will not back down. Oh, he's investing in the future. These are clearly targeted at younger

millennials, Gen Z. And I think about who would be most offended by these things, and it's your, you know, your aging MSNBC viewer. I think, I think younger people are just laughing being like, it's good to have fun, you know? Yeah, and that's such a good point, though. It's like, if you had to do a psychographic of who would be most offended by this, it's definitely probably not like Hispanics. They're like offended by anything. You really, you really they've really eroded their ability to find things funny. That's why all the late night shows are so unfunny, or their stand-up

comics are so unfun funny. Like, it's actually the sense of humor is atrophied because they can't handle transgression. So we get the kind of seal clapping humor where they're just like, oh, what about that Trump? He's such a fascist. Oh, that's so funny. You're not wrong. You're not wrong. And I actually, you know, I said this to a Fox reporter.

They were, you know, because at some point it became like Colvette versus Kimmel, like you know during the height of that story and obviously Kimmel's still on air but I told the Fox reporter I was like listen I don't want him off the air I want like I don't want to make a martyr of him yeah you know let him let him you know go the way that he should on his own accord by not being funny and by the left just completely losing their sense of humor not to mention his ratings are that's what I mean yeah look um with all due respect to the older generation that's who his audience is he gets I think in August he was average was a hundred

29,000 in the key demo and you got to think about how much his show cost it's probably 10 i think colbert was what 100 million a year jimmy kimball's got 100 staffers or over how much i got to tell you guys you know the numbers 120 29 000 in the key demo for your show is not going to cover 100 million no it's not it's not and by the way like this show does better in that demo oh you could you could post a picture by a lot do better in the demo you know but like that's what i said like let him just like he's going to get colbert they're going to realize the numbers don't add up. And, you know, in many ways when Nextar and Sinclair took him off the air, it was kind of pushing against an open door, right? Like, they were, there's a lot of pressure

within the ABC, you know, brass because the show's too expensive and because the ratings are terrible. And, you know, if you're coming into this kind of controversy, that's, that's not good either. I love how they pretend it's Trump's fault. All of this is happening. Like Colbert got canceled because of Trump. Oh, yeah, anti-free speech. Yeah, I thought it was the $40 million loss per year. Well, and all the lawsuits, but And what's funny is big picture, they're right because Trump caused them to make a terrible show Nobody wanted to watch.

That's true. Good job, everyone. All right, so I played this clip yesterday, but I want to play it again for you. And like I said, I saw some of the people who liked it and when I posted it. And they are people that are certainly being targeted. So, I mean, everybody is aware of this.

And I don't want to black pill everybody. Like, in my heart, I hope there's a way out of this that doesn't lead to violence. really do i really do i'm i'm not saying you're ever going to be in a position tim where you can go out and just you know go to the mall i i mean i maybe i maybe you already do that i don't know but i'm just i i'm hoping that for the sake of the country that this doesn't have to end the way that it very well could right uh let's go ahead and play cut 57 i'm going to ask you about this ruckers report good morning uh on the network contagion research center this is their conclusion okay

Users online are increasingly associated the memeification of Luigi Mangione with calls for political violence against Elon Musk, President Trump and others reflecting the growing cyber social presence of assassination culture. And Aisha, you have some findings that they have here on justification. It's alarming, and I want to put this up here, this is a justification for murder of Elon Musk and Donald Trump. And you'll see here, they found that when it came to the left of center, 50% thought that it was justified to murder Elon Musk, 56% for President Trump. Jeez. Houston, we have a problem. There's a way out.

There is a generational challenge. I would tell everybody have as many kids as possible because that is the way out, which means there's some speed bumps for the next 20 years, maybe even 30 or 40. but what we're looking at is the polarization of moral worldview. Clearly, the right doesn't want to kill people. The left feels it's justified in the majority. But if you actually break those polls down, what you'll find is that older liberals do not want to kill people either. The bulk of that bloodlust comes from the younger,

younger millennial and Gen Z liberals. Now, there is some light of the tunnel in that as disturbing as this may be, liberals for the longest time are either through birth control abortion or child will call gender affirming care they call it creating a generation that cannot have kids and they're having less kids themselves we are seeing this trend towards the right in term gen z is is trending right word and it's not just because we are winning culturally through the battle of ideas but also because conservatives just have kids so you are going to have this large cohort over the next 10 20 or 30 years as they move into industry and politics

that are very violent. However, they're not having kids themselves, which means it's a wave that we will get through maybe 20 or 30 years from now. Blake, why don't you talk about, I mean, because I could do it, but I actually just did this on his show. Talk about one, the having family thing,

because I know you have a family, Tim, and that's changed you dramatically. But what Charlie thought about that, but also he was proposing like a moonshot to get young people to buy into, America. Yeah. It's funny to ask me about this because, of course, I'm horrible on this front. But, uh, no, but you were there for it. He was, yeah, well, he was just very aware that, uh, when you have atomized people, like individuals whose main point of existence with the world is essentially

online because they don't have an IRL, as you'd call it, because they don't have a family and they don't have the social networks that a family necessarily creates. Uh, that brings down the country. it's as you would say, you know, the most conservatizing events in your life, you know, the marriage, mating mortgage thing. Those are all things they increase your stake in society and they increase your connections to society. When you own a home,

you're way more likely to know your neighbors to interact with them. When you have kids, it's not merely having kids that you care about the future of, but kids naturally create networks with other people. They go to school. They have friends. They have social activities. Your friends, parents will always tell

you who are your friends. Very typically just the parents of your children's friends. Yeah, it's true. And I've seen it with my parents where they'll cycle through my siblings get in, my younger siblings would get into different activities. And suddenly, oh, there's this new friend

of our family is because their kid played basketball with my sister, that sort of thing. And all of these are what are creating your tethers to the rest of society. And by extension, your ability to care about society, your ability to care about America. And we enrich

that by having more families with more kids. When you have a kid, And Tim, I don't know, you're pretty new to this guy. I have three. But when you have kids, all of a sudden, it changes the way you look at content that you see on the streaming platforms or whatever. It changes the way you look at laws or homelessness. It changes the way you look at how we take care of public parks, you know, smelling weed in public places. It starts forcing you to think about the world in a different way.

I don't know. I agree with you. I think I'm a little different. in that I've never liked the smell of weed in public places. Nor have I. Yeah. But, you know, it's one of those things, by the way, Charlie was super anti-weed,

and he would take so much, you know, gruff for it. Because, you know, a lot of people are sort of libertarian about it. Right. I'm a bit libertarian on it, but I think the answer is culture. So we're talking about if you have kids and you instill your children with your values, laws don't matter. Laws are for when your society has no trust

and your morals have broken. And that's a terrifying thought. that we have to explain to some people why not to murder. But if everybody had been instilled with proper values, it wouldn't matter for- It's just amazing, isn't it? Yeah, and this is the interesting thing about, say, the Ten Commandments, for instance,

thou shalt not murder. If you have a, if everyone in this country had the same morals of Charlie Kirk, you would need no police. You would need nothing. In fact, you wouldn't even need a cup of sugar because you can knock on his door and he'd lend it to you without a thought.

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So, Tim, thanks for being here, Tim. Thanks for having me. You know, we were asking people to come in, you know, we're like, oh, you know, people take a day or something. And Tim's like, I'll be there all week. Wow. In order to do Timcast, IRL, there's no way to travel in and out. I can do it if we can But TPUSA you guys are amazing They set a studio up for us But how cool is that That it's it's

So you're doing your show Every single day from Because I remember my buddy was when he heard When you were on Andrew was on the other day He goes oh did Andrew fly to West Virginia Because he was just listening And I was like no he's right here Why?

And I was like well but he's there in the room with Tim I was like no dude Timcast is here How did you get him out of his compound? I just wanted There's a portal we don't talk about it We were talking about Kimmel, by the way, and I do believe, you know, basically there's an article here from Zero Hedge. Jimmy Kimmel's audience numbers implode after brief spike. So he gets $6.5 million for his night back, right?

But now he's averaged 1.77 million total viewers down, like, a lot from 2015 highs, right? And in the demo, you're totally right. It's like in the 25 to 54 Thursday's episode hemorrhaging 73% of viewers from that critical category off its high. Yeah, but remember, so Jimmy Kimmel's show doesn't exist to get ratings. Jimmy Kimmel's show exists to spread propaganda. So they do not care. They not care. For liberals.

Well, well. Yeah, yeah, liberal church. Yeah, exactly. Right. So it's, it's, it's, it's, this is the, you know, for your liberal boomers that still watch him. This is, you know, they. love it. They think it's the funniest thing ever. They think it's the greatest thing ever. They think they actually did something. And the fact that it loses money from Disney, by the way, which

is, of course, one of America's most beloved institutions prior to the current ownership or current managership is, again, something to love. Because remember, they can never create. All they can do is corrupt and destroy. And so that's what they're doing, which they did also, by the way, to Jimmy Kimmel, who used to be great. Let me fix a statement. It's anti-cher. church yeah yeah yeah it's an anti-john now it's better i was like where you go in tim as i was reaching for my rosary i mean to say that it is where they're joking it's right where they meet their fake high priests of their yeah yeah yeah monic sermon 100%. so we talked about what we wanted to talk about next yeah what we what we want to talk about next is something that you've been keying in on

tim and that's dana white and joe rogan and i think it's a really fascinating kind of conversation that you're, do you want to set the premise for us and we can play the clips? Sure. I, I, excuse me, I have tremendous respect for Dana White. I'm a huge fan of his business acumen, let alone UFC, and Joe's a good friend who's really helped me out in my life and career personally, so I say this with all due respect. It is either that they are not actively paying attention or they are deeply scared about what is happening to this country. And so, again, I don't say this with any derision. Dana White came out recently saying, oh, we can't have this cancel culture over Charlie Kirk's assassination. It's wrong.

And I feel like something that affect that people are losing their jobs. I've got it right here. I feel like that misses the big picture. Joe Rogan has a viral clip right now where he says he's surprised that so many people celebrating the assassination of Charlie Kirk. And the reason I bring that up is, well, I've been on Joe's show several times and talked to him explicitly about this. In fact, the Twitter episode ended with me saying I was going to go live in a van down by the river to avoid the coming civil war because of what they were fomenting on Twitter. That's when you're on with Jack and Vagia. Yeah.

Yeah. The systems that they had built 10 years ago I had warned about. So I'm surprised Joe is shocked by the celebration from these liberals. I'm wondering if there's actually more of a look, I'm just going to say it. I'm tired of being overly diplomatic to people when I have some critique of them. And I know there's so much that I owe Joe. But I do feel like he's saying these things because he's scared of what the left will do to him and his family. And so he's kind of walking things back and acting like, oh, I had no idea. Well, let's play the clip then. Here's Joe Rogan.

Play Cut 99. I never expected so many people would celebrate that man's murder. That is evil. Bizarre. It's just bizarre, like normal people that I think think they're good people, and they genuinely think that guy was a bad guy. And I don't think they were right, and I think they were indoctrinated. And I don't agree with everything that Charlie Kirk said or did. I don't care if he was a bad guy or not.

He's not a bad guy. I don't want to see him. I don't want to see anybody die. Joe's called them a cult before. So I know he just said they were indoctrinated, but I saw that, and I'm just kind of thinking, I don't know how you spend as many years in the cultural space as you have and find yourself surprised. But I will cut him some slack.

Perhaps what he means to say is, because I've experienced a little surprise myself, middle of the road liberals who are relatively apolitical that I knew, celebrating on Facebook that I was friends with. Maybe I should cut him a little bit of slack on that one. But as to the Dana White, the cancel culture stuff. I haven't heard this yet. Let's play this. Okay, let's play cut 98.

I'm a big believer in free speech, and unfortunately, probably the most important speech to protect is hate speech. You're not a fan of cancel culture. No, I hate it. On both sides, it's like all the stuff that's going on with Charlie right now, you know, these people are going out and saying, stuff and you know you're seeing people getting fired or kicked out of school you don't you don't think they should be fired i think you're a disgusting human being if you're celebrating the death

of another human being but people make mistakes and people are going to do dumb things i don't like trying to destroy people's lives um over doing something dumb yeah so i just drank a form yesterday and i'm like i want to like throw up after that's his energy drink i'm like that's that's that's that's the dumbest thing that's literally dumbest thing so cancel culture is when you dig up someone's like old statements and try to get them like when you when you like right like out of nowhere i don't think police are racist someone said in private or or or at least if it's like something they say like people just lost their jobs because they said like i don't think there should be riots people lost their jobs because they said i think riots might hurt democrats in the

elections how about people lost their jobs for that how about vivac ramaswami he didn't put an appropriate image on Instagram and he got a letter from his like, I can't remember the exact, his board wrote him a letter being like, you weren't sufficiently angry over George Floyd. That's not cancel culture at all. That's people saying, I don't want my, my, have to bring

my child to a doctor's office that has that doctor or has that nurse or I don't want that person working in my HR department because you're celebrating someone's murder. That's totally different from cancel culture. It's not even in the same ballpark at all. Honestly, you are correct.

but I'm going to say this, I don't care, make it cancel culture, and I'll tell you why. The line for the left, and this is to your point that you're correct on, the line for the left is, you said something that disagrees with our pseudo, our non-theistic religion. The right has said, don't push assassination culture any further. That's our line. My attitude is this. We are at a point where they celebrated the assassination of Brian Thompson, venerated this guy, the alleged assassin, not even a year later.

Charlie Kirk is killed, it has come home for all of us who have been begging for it to stop. I, a couple weeks ago said, I won't call for these people to be fired, but I will not defend them. And Will Chamberlain said, you're too nice. I think they should be fired. I think they should be canceled because a society that tolerates the veneration of assassins and assassinations is a society that has opened the door to civil war. And immediately I said, you're right. Yeah. That's our line. I'm on that way. This isn't a principle thing. This is a, if we want the country to be saved kind of thing you need to draw the line somewhere this is my energy though i am i am so on board with cancel culture if you if by the way one of the things that gave me strength in the

immediate aftermath was seeing accounts like lives at tick talk just like calling these people out blasting them up these these tweets are going crazy people getting fired up was like yes because this is absurd that we would put up with this as a culture what's you should be canceled you are a disgusting gross human being if you do that and i don't care what happens to you at that point. I mean, obviously, I don't want physical violence against it, but I think you should lose your job. If I'm an employer and I find out that my employee is doing that, good riddins. You're canceling them back. That's the key. With you're canceling someone who is celebrating the literal canceling of the man who sat in this chair right here. And if you're going to celebrate

that, then yeah, you should lose your job. You should lose your pension. You should use your rank if you're in the military, whatever it is. Lose it. Lose all of it. Man, it gets me fired up, guys. I'm not going to lie. As it should. Go ahead, Tim. What happens to our society when Dana White says it is okay for half the population to celebrate assassins? Yep.

That's the only question that matters. So I know people are, he said, people are going to be like, Tim, free speech matters. I say, okay, agreed. Now let's calculate that. Let's finish that equation. You have two distinct moral worldviews. One is celebrating assassins consistently now over and over again. they're calling for more.

My name is on that list. You'll get what you asked for. And so for me, liberal cancel culture was, did you offend our non-theistic religion? Your band. My line is when you advocate for the destruction of our political systems through murder, I say you should be excised from polite society. You can come back. Forgiveness is always available for those who, you know, perhaps give an act of contrition of some sort. because speech isn't the most.

But if we say Jimmy Kimmel, tens of millions of liberals can go online and make money, get followers, build media businesses off of celebrating assassins, you're looking at Rwanda all over again. Radio Rwanda. Yeah, and Andrew, the only thing I would just tweak to what you're saying is we don't celebrate cancel culture, but we will use counter cancel culture to end all of it. Well, this is what Emily, one of our listeners says. it's not it's consequent consequence culture not cancel culture hey guys I'll offer you this alternative to cancel culture it's not a matter of canceling them for their words it's a matter of them suffering the consequences of their words that was their argument that is their argument yeah yeah I mean listen but we don't want to repeat we don't want to repeat their exact lingo

because like correct that's the justification for everything that's what I'm saying we should be clear what we're doing counter cancel this is a single this is a basically a singular exception which is you are just not allowed to glorify political violence period I don't here's here's the quote from Robert Jones this is back all the back in 2015 and this guy was like an SJW and he said he said we can disagree

and still love each other this guy's like a liberal SJW type we can disagree and still love each other unless your disagreement is rooted in my oppression denial of my humanity and right to exist yeah and that's when the talking stops here's here's the philosophical reality

is that when the right was talking about free speech it was presented as a very binary choice for the average person, but there was always a depth to it. And that is, at what point would a conservative fire someone from their company for something they said? It always existed. I said this. And Dana never has. Indeed. I said this of my company during cancel culture peak or whatever. If someone at my company went on like a serious racist tirade, I'd fire him to. If they were posting things about how they were disparaging people of a certain race, I'd say, listen, you don't reflect our values. I don't know why you'd want to work with us. It

doesn't represent what this company is doing. The issue. Concernives have a wide range of tolerance for ideas. You can see this in all the data. That is, if someone said something racist, you wouldn't be like a quick get on my company. You'd say, let's have a conversation about it and figure out why you're saying this. Often people would then say, you know what, maybe I was a little gruff. They wouldn't get fired right away. Tolerance was greater for the right. The left said, no tolerance, even for jokes. Well, we found our cancel culture line. It is no one should be allowed to work in polite society when they're calling for the death of other people. That's a hard line and and that's what was so radicalizing i think about it for people that it wasn't just aOC and

ilhan omar and barraq obama who were smearing charlie in death it it was regular people yeah just your your your your nurse your HR director uh people that you work people in the military people who fly airplanes i mean this is serious stuff and if you've got people who've got the power of life and death it literally in their hands every day and that's what they believe you realize how bad the brain rot has gotten in this country. Everyone knows that even right now where we sit, there are things that if we said, it would destroy our professional careers. Of course.

There are things you don't say. Conservatives tend to be honest, and I've always been about what we can and can't talk about. And liberals just said, we'll ban you if you defy us. So we are working. The studio is going to tell me, okay, it is ready. Let's go ahead and throw to this press conference with J.D. Vance and Caroline Levin. I want to hear what they're saying. Partisan, clean piece of legislation to extend current government funding until November

November 21st. But nearly every single Democrat senator voted against this bill. To be clear, this was the exact same bill that Democrats approved six short months ago in March just adjusted for inflation. This is the same kind of clean funding bill that Democrats passed 13 separate times when they held the majority during Joe Biden's administration. So the American people woke up this morning and asked the obvious question, why is the government shut down right now? Now. The answer is pure partisan politics being played by the Democrat Party. The Democrats shut down the government because President Trump and the Republicans will not force American taxpayers to pay for free health care for illegal aliens. America is $37 trillion in debt. We

cannot afford to provide taxpayer-funded free health care to illegals who broke the law to enter our country. To put this all into perspective, the Democrats refuse to keep the government open over health care to illegal aliens, and now have jeopardized critical health care programs for American citizens instead. The Women, Infants and Children program, Community Health Center funding, Medicare treatment options, and other health programs are now all at risk because of the Democrats rejecting the clean CR. The most vulnerable in our country are being punished because the Democrats want to prioritize illegals over American citizens. And if Democrats actually cared about health care, they would applaud the actions taken by President Trump just

yesterday in the Oval Office. He took a bold and massively popular action to improve our health care system. He announced the first agreement with a major pharmaceutical company, Pfizer, to lower drug costs for Americans. This is a historical achievement, long sought by past Democrat presidents that only President Trump was able to get done. Also yesterday, while the Democrats were whining about health care for illegal aliens, President Trump signed a powerful executive order to supercharge American AI innovation and unlock cures for pediatric cancer patients in the United States. While President Trump took action to lower drug prices and improved the lives and the care of American children with cancer, again, Democrats are fighting to give health care benefits

to illegal aliens. The Trump administration is fully committed to lowering health care costs in advancing policies that will save American lives. But right now, we need to keep the government open and funded. And individuals and organizations across the political spectrum, across the country, agree with the Trump administration and Republicans. The labor union leader, the Teamsters, Sean O'Brien, sent a very blunt message to Democrats over their destructive antics. He said American workers are not bargaining chips.

Senators need to stop screwing around and pass the House-past clean short-term funding. bill. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the world's largest business organization, called to immediately pass the Republican Clean CR, saying, quote, shutdowns are harmful to the economy, the American people, and our national security. And even Democrat senators Cortez Mastow and Federman acknowledged that their party is betraying the American people with this costly and chaotic Democrat shutdown. Enough is enough. Democrats need to stop sabotaging our country and holding the American people hostage in the country, Democrats need to do their jobs. The American

people want the government reopened, and this is proven in a New York Times poll showing that two and three Americans say the government should not be shut down by the Democrats, even if their absurd demands are not met. The president and Republicans are working very hard to reopen the federal government. The vice president here has been crucial in this effort. We encourage all Americans across the country, call your Democrat senators and encourage them to reopen the government. That's what President Trump and the Vice President want to do. And with that, I will turn it over to our great Vice President, J.D. Vance. Great. Well, thank you, Carolina. And good afternoon to everybody and good afternoon to everybody who's watching at home. It's a tough

act to follow. But let me just say a few things and then I'll take a few questions. Number one, Democrats say that they care a lot about lowering health care costs. And yet, when the president took historic action to work with the drug companies to lower prescription drug prices. The Democrats did nothing to help us. In fact, we would have loved to have the Democrats helping us, but they didn't. They talk about doing something. They don't actually do the hard work of making it happen. What they have done instead is to shut down the government because we won't give billions of dollars to health care funding for illegal aliens. That is what has actually happened. To the American people who are watching, the reason your government is

shut down at this very minute is because, despite the fact that the overwhelming majority of congressional Republicans and even a few moderate Democrats supported opening the government, the Chuck Schumer AOC wing of the Democratic Party shut down the government because they said to us, we will open the government, but only if you give billions of dollars of funding for health care for illegal aliens. That's a ridiculous proposition. Let me say two other quick things and then again, I'll take some questions. Number one, we all understand that Democrats and Republicans have policy disagreements. Democrats want to do things.

Look, when Chuck Schumer and Akeem Jeffries were in here a couple of days ago, they made some suggestions that the president was more than happy to say, yes, let's sit down and talk about how we can solve the health care crisis that we inherited from the Biden administration. But it's one thing to say that we should solve the health care crisis for Americans. It's another thing to say that we're going to shut down the government unless we give the Democrats every single thing that they want, which, as Caroline says, includes giving billions of of taxpayer funding for health care for illegal migrants. That's ridiculous. You don't have policy disagreements that serve as the basis for a government shutdown. Let's have the conversation about

how to fix American health care, about how to make health care more accessible. As the president showed, he's more than willing to act on behalf of the American people for this very reason. What you don't do is say, unless you do exactly what we want to do is congressional Democrats, we're taking hostage. And the hostage, it turns out, is critical. essential services that the American people need. Caroline talked about some of it. Let me talk about some more. Our troops are not getting paid starting today because of the Chuck Schumer wing of the Democratic Party. We have people who require food assistance, low-income Americans who require food assistance, who will not get it unless we reopen the government, thanks to Chuck Schumer

and his wing of the Democratic Party. We have flood insurance as we start hurricane season in the southeast part of our country, that flood insurance is going to disappear because of Chuck Schumer and the far left of the Democratic Party. We need to reopen the government. Let's fix America's problems. Let's work together to solve them. But let's reopen the government before we have our negotiation about health care policy. That's what the American people demand, and that's certainly what the President of the United States wants. Let me make one final point. I think a lot of Americans are asking themselves, why did this happen? Why did the Democrats shut down the government But despite, as Caroline said, voting on the exact same piece of legislation six months ago.

And there are a lot of different spins that we can put on it, a lot of different answers that we could give all of them true. One answer I already gave is that they want to give health care benefits to illegal aliens. That is true. They gave us legislative text that would have undone us cutting off health care benefits for illegal aliens. That's one of the things that they asked for. But the reality here, and let's be honest about the politics, is that Chuck Schumer is terrified. She's going to get a primary challenge from Alexandria Ocasia-Cortez. The reason why the American people's government is shut down

is because Chuck Schumer is listening to the far-left radicals in his own party because he's terrified of a primary challenge. So I'd invite Chuck Schumer to join the moderate Democrats and 52 Senate Republicans, do the right thing, open up the people's government, and then let's fix health care policy for the American people. Balance of Nature would like to take a moment to honor the life and legacy of our friend Charlie Kirk. Charlie dedicated his life to inspiring each of us to live with a greater purpose.

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But again, I can't get out of the fact, get away from the fact that this feels like a Washington bubble story, right? Like the rest of America kind of doesn't care, especially, you know, like when they're killing us. I think he's actually doing Q&A right now. He's doing Q&A right now. And it's pretty great. And he made a good point. Tim, you were like, hey, that was a good point. Maybe repeat it for the audience. Yeah, Democrats are blaming Republicans, but he was like every Republican voted to open up the government. Democrats are the one who voted it down. Yeah. Because they didn't get what they wanted. Yeah, it's pretty simple. It's pretty simple, right?

I want to shift gears here just a little bit, and that is to this bad bunny thing, which actually feels like kind of lighthearted to talk about, actually. Like, our one was kind of a downer. I apologize. I would just like to say, full disclosure, I have never heard of bad bunny until this week. is so they insert the only reason I know about him is because they inserted him in happy Gilmore 2 and I was like who is this guy that they're making like a main character of happy Gilmore 2 that I've never heard of before and he's just like oh it's bad bunny you don't know who bad bunny is I'm like I have all of his albums is he a musician is that what he's musician is that

yeah well I think he's the guy that's bad bunny sells those fidget spinners at the mall and this is like what's kind of interesting about there he is there's Bad Bunny. He's sort of dressed in female garb or there he's really in female garb apparently. I think this is like prosthetics and things. He's very interesting. He's Puerto Rican.

No, those are natural. Those are natural. It's Puerto Rican. You know, apparently the angle here, yeah, I mean, Daisy, if you want to come in and fill us in, like let's just do it. But apparently the angle here is that the NFL is trying

to get more and more international Americans are not huge on bad bunny At least not compared to the international audience This is why the NFL is going to London And they're doing all these He's really big in Latin America, South America Because doesn't he sing in Spanish or whatever? Well, there you go

And that's why So I like that specific We literally had to blur this out Yeah like there are crossover songs But he doesn't have any But something that Something that I want to say though Is that so I look this up

And you know I actually spoke to some contacts in the industry about this and they said the way it works with these selections and people keep coming to me and they'll say why is it that Rock hasn't had a single act in 16 years and so for the last at least five or six years Jay Z and Rock Nation so Rock Obama's best friend Jay Z and Rock Nation

have an exclusive contract for the Super Bowl for the halftime show and they actually have a ton of pull when it comes to like the Grammys and who gets to perform and things like that so they it's a very deliberate corporate push that's why you see him inserted into the Netflix Happy Gilmore 2 movie that's why you see him pushed up at the Super Bowl halftime show

it is not because of to Andrew's point it is not because the fans are clamoring for this it's because they're trying to open and this is what's crazy and because they have a deal with Jay Zee he doesn't even sing songs in English he's got no songs in it and by the way hi Daisy

hi he has songs where other English speakers are on them and they sing in English but he does not sing in English at all that's why anything that he sings is in Spanish example of this and he's also said that he will only sing in spanish to pay homage to his heritage what kind of country are we living in like this is this is this is this is America's favorite sport I sent this earlier he was globally the number one most dreamed artists 2020 2020 2021 and 22 24 he was sitting at the third most dreamed artist in the world and his most popular

locations are Latin America but second Latin America is the United States well I wonder why said It's listeners age 13, 27. Look at this. This is like some satanic video. This is, this is the, do we care? Do we care? This is, I kind of care. We should care because this is, you know, this is what they would say, cultural colonization, right?

So people would say that, oh, when America pushes cultural colonization across other countries, you know, with American movies, an American film and portraying American values, this is reverse cultural colonization to America. Where, because we've taken in so many millions of migrants from. from Latin America and South America that have come up now. Now America has a market for this that is totally different from the core American population. And that's why they're trying to merge that by putting it in with the NFL, which is obviously an American institution. They're saying, oh, well, you know, we can merge these all together now. And again, they're going for that market share.

It's literally just a business move because of these massive fluctuations in our culture. I was a big fan of Taylor Swift being in all these football games and people. people had complained about it. And the reason why it was good. Daisy was too, by the way. It's very good. It was very, very good news. Daisy was also on the wrong side. Young, young women, young teenage girls would come into the living room where their dads were watching football and say, I want to sit and watch this with you, dad. And that gave an opportunity for fathers to connect with their children and try and strengthen those bonds. A lot of people complained about it. Why do we have Taylor Swift here? It's like, let that happen. You know why

they're doing the bad bunny thing now is the kids who may start watching football are now going it to get the weird trans-leftist stuff injected into the football games so they can try and reverse that trend we saw from Taylor Swift. Well, and they've been doing the, they've been using the NFL for social engineering all the way back to when Barack Obama was using, was cutting deals with the Baltimore Ravens to push Obamacare. So they've understood the use of the NFL and the left has understood the use of the NFL, pop culture.

Again, Netflix, the Obamas have a huge deal with Netflix on the production side, a lot of money laundering, obviously going on there. Then obviously, now you got Jay-Z, who's Obama's literal best friend. and Beyonce, who are in charge of selection process for these halftime shows. And so what do they use? They push the culture engineering. They push this on top of you. And people came down on me for, you know, talking about Taylor Swift two years ago, 100%

right, by the way. And now that, and proven right as well. And now they're doing the exact same thing with Bad Bunny. And I really do think that you can't have that discussion without talking about these massive population demographic shifts in our country that are going on. You just can't. It's not going to work. And I'll give you a really good example. I was watching this movie with Chris Pratt and I think Millie Bobby Brown or whatever. You know that robot one? Did you guys watched that? Yeah. I watched that. Well, you know it's the music was all like 80, late 80s rock and

early 90s? It's set in the 90s, yeah, oddly. So I'm watching all these films and I'm wondering why it is like they're playing songs from 30 years ago in their soundtracks because rock works in a lot of these action movies. We don't have strong modern rock, but it's still apparent to people who make movies that you need it. They have tried to force the evolution of culture. It doesn't work.

If you go back in time and look at the 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, you can see how music evolves over time. Each decade has like a set sound. The industry, and you can see when they came in when they went, like how disco moves in, you know, and pop changes, how rock evolves. They have tried over the past 20 years to hard stop American culture and music and inject a foreign world kind of theme to change American

culture. It doesn't work. And that's what they're going to see with get what go broke when people complain about this. And they're going to try and internationalize or whatever, but they're going to lose American audience. But this is the one pushback to that is to Jack's point. They've imported the international audience into our domestic audience. But when you have a popular vote winner in Donald Trump and a demand for immigration. The response is simple here. Bring on Creed. We need Creed.

We need Scott Staff. We need them flying down from the Raptors. The greatest halftime show that has ever taken place. Let me give the audience a little context. Which wasn't even a Super Bowl show, by the way. Let me give the audience. That was the peak of America, 2004. Let me give the audience a little context.

Jack, in response to this, tweeted out something along the lines. There's only one response. We need Creed. I'm literally, it's because. By the way, I did not have approval from TPSA. No, no, so this is what's hilarious. I'm getting multiple inquiries from the media right now saying, I would like a comment on, is turning point planning a competing.

Are they planning a competing halftime show with Creed? And I was like, well, I wasn't. This is how I work with Andrew. I just tweet stuff. I just tweet stuff. I mean, you manifest. For the Creed conversation, but I'm open to it. But I, okay, my question is.

Wait, Daisy, Daisy, hold on. Yes. What, because I had a pitch for you too. I'm ready. I'm ready for this. And this, I'm going to say this. And people forget I said this at CPAC as well. What if we invite Taylor?

It's just not even a possibility. Why not, whoa, whoa, why is it not a possibility? My question is, bad bunny only sings in Spanish. Are they trying to, back to Tim's point, are they trying to broaden their audience to more. international or bad but it said 61% of bad bunny's listeners are 13 to 27 so are they trying to they've already been losing their older audience the NFL has been losing their older audience from the kneeling from the the end racism in the in the end zones so they already have this

newfound genzy audience they're like oh jenzy's most streamed artist for the last five years is bad bunny let's have him most streamed artists global This is just, this is just, let me, let me. It's all down to the Great Migration. This is all down to talk over each other. Sorry. The secret is streams are all fake. The reason why they got off of the sales model is because they control streams.

People go on their streaming app. They click Modern Music. And then the labels in the industry say, play Bad Bunny a hundred times. That's the way it works. So it's not people going in selecting, I want to listen to Bad Bunny. It's, there's always been with radio. Who gets to be on radio? It's coveted, right?

Paola, yeah. Not even Paola. Just the record labels would say, here's the songs who want a rotation that we have for you. And so were you chosen by the label to be in that list? Sure.

There's finite space. Streaming's no different. Billboard used to track sales. They barely track sales anymore. Now it streams. And now you have bands and artists you've never heard of somehow the top charting artists.

Yeah, because they just inject them and tell you they're popular. Interesting. Who decides that? The streaming platforms? Jay Z. JZ probably. Yeah.

That's wild. No, they've run complete game. I mean, even I think we see it not in the same area, but with Apple Podcasts, Spotify Podcasts, that no one releases how they actually rank everything. So Spotify can say these are our most streamed artists. We don't know if they're streaming five seconds of that or the whole song. You know what I've realized, though, that music in general,

as soon as Napster came along and lime wire and all this stuff, it's just never, A, it's never been the same. And B, like, if you watch the Grammys, it's just a complete, like, it's just local. class. Like music is just at a real a real nadir as they say all right. I want to say though and I'm like Daisy I know

we've been crosswise on this for for years at this point. I would be willing to say Taylor Swift Creed crossover for the halftime show. What do you say? I need to look up and see if I even know a creed song. I'm I know that's probably embarrassing. Seriously caboose let's let's

let's load up a creed just like 15 seconds of it. Play higher. They're playing it. Like every baseball game, a ton of football, the Vikings were using it. The Rangers. And then the Rangers use it all to take it all the way of the World Series. And they won a Super Bowl or World Series when they played it. Yeah. Sorry, I'm getting my sports.

It's like a huge thing right now in sports. Michael is working. Their first album, I was not, I was not born yet. Do you know what Star Wars is? You ever heard of the Beatles? I've never seen Star Wars. I know what it is. Yeah.

Have you heard of Beatles? I have, I've heard of, have you ever read the Bible? Yes. Because I guarantee that was written before you were born. So I'm just a silly argument. Not everything that happened before I was born I know about. This is one of the things that happened before I was born. I remember when Charlie was using the Alien Enemies Act.

He was like, one of those debates. Alien Sedition Act. Aliens, yes. John Adams. It was written in 1798 or whatever, and he was like. You mean the First Amendment? Yeah, the Constitution was written before that. Like, what do you think that makes it, Nolan Void now?

Let it play. Let it play. Jack is having a moment. I love how much you love, Crete. I am being taken higher to a place with golden screws. A place where blind men see, Daisy. You know, they're explicitly Christian and always have them. I will be their newest fan.

That's why their name is Creed. I have to go back and listen. See, this is what you need to give to the younger generations, your traditions and your values. Yes. I totally agree. That's why Creed, and this is what people were like, oh well what do you think about like nickel back and no no no no the reason that creed is able to

have the comeback that they've had is because creed was always legitimately authentic about their beliefs and they never once straight for them other people were just like out there doing music or like playing like you know i mean not to tie everything back to charlie all the time but one of the reasons charlie is charlie and one of the reasons why he's had this resonance around the world is because he was so authentically good and true and true and and decent. And I think that's what Gen Z wants. They want authenticity and they want truth.

And I actually think you were kind of making a joke, but like it's so true. We've got to think about the values that we pass down. And when the NFL makes a decision like this, they're not only just making a bad business decision, in my opinion. And maybe it might be a good business decision, but it's betraying the country. You've got a choice between three dog night and bad money. Come on, no question. Okay. Well, I'm also not just saying this because I meet.

Jack also brought this up. And it was in talks. I think it was all alleged. think any of it was true. But if the NFL is trying to hold on to their Gen Z audience, do we think Charlie would have been more or less mad if it was Taylor doing the Super Bowl or Bad Bunny doing the Super Bowl? Bad Bunny, of course. Taylor's still Gen Z, but all in English. Well, she's not Gen Z though. No, but her audience would be Gen Z. So they're still retaining their groupers. I don't know that's true, actually. I think, I think, Gen Z. No, her audience, I think

was inferred by many people to be Gen Z, but I think actually was millennial. Right. But I think She does have a major Gen Zy audience as well. So I'm saying they could tie in all together. Jack's point, which I don't think would ever happen. But a Creed Taylor Swift collab would. But Super Bowl halftime shows are known for like crossovers that people don't expect. So maybe Bad Bunny will bring out Creed. I just think Bad Bunny is not good.

At the Super Bowl. Either way. No. I'm saying TPSA. Same time. Creed Taylor. Who's, are we also hosting a rival game? Like who's playing in this game?

Are we doing. We're going to play. Schoolyard picks like Jack. Like Jack Team Captain? Yes. Okay. I'm on one team. I'm on one team.

Andrew's on the other team. Or maybe we'll get Benny Johnson out here and he'll be like way over competitive with it. I will win. I'm reading. I know, Benny. We'll do a pre. That's so funny.

Yeah. So, but we're going to, I just want to read a couple emails here because I see some of you are emailing us asking why we haven't been playing any bad bunny tracks because you're just like what is what kind of music. I will tell you the answer to that is the studio. They told me that they would,

They refused to play Bad Bunny on this show, and I'm going to honor that. So never, ever. They just came in my... Oh, I just heard that. Yeah. I refuse to listen to it. It's banned. We're banned.

So Bad Bunny, you know, this isn't a place for you. So that's fine. Studios made their decision. I got another email here from Kimberly. She says, Dear Charlie Kirk team, I've been a faithful Charlie Kirk show, watcher, listener for years. My family and I have been greatly encouraged by how Christ has been magnified since Charlie's passing.

Thank you all. praying for you all thank you so much kim means means the world there's so many you know we can magnify christ by supporting a explicitly christian band uh who happens to play the greatest rock music on the face of the planet currently just just saying does it make you feel better that i not only don't know any creed songs i also don't know any bad bunny songs like i'm not arguing no i would actually argue that if i know your priest wasn't in but that if you like heard that you'd be like oh those guys yeah you would yeah they're very well known another email here from lois she says you guys have been having a very important conversation today semantics and framing events are key

methods by which the left dominates the narrative and impacts public perception yes yes lois that is exactly right uh kelly says good afternoon thank you all for what you guys are doing i enjoy watching a halftime band from carl i hate pop music in all genres one a masculine band for the super ball love car choose either slayer or high on fire creed is too soft and pop i hate it oh my god i've seen Slayer. Our lead sceneer. I've seen Slayer, yeah. Creed too soft and have you heard that? Creed is too soft. No, if you're a metalhead, then you would say Creed is too soft, for sure. Oh, this is great. This is actually a good idea from Tanner. At halftime show, President Trump should break in the new Rose Garden and DJ his own music.

He does. No, but like, counterprogram it. Oh, during the hatch. Yeah, during the hatch. Well, they're supposed, they also will announce at some point who's going to sing the national anthem. Wait, wait. What if we have creed? In the Rose Club. In the Rose Club. We've just figured it out. We need someone for national anthem. Terrible.

Mr. President, if you're listening, if you're listening. Could be Creed for National Anthem, Trump DJing halftime, so. Or just Creed in like the South Lawn with like 6,000 people. Give Trump a guitar and a mic. Thank you guys. Tim Pool, you honor us by being here. Thank you, my friend. Thank you.

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